TKJ

They missed the reflection in the puddle showing Batman strangling him

>people paid money for that

>>84732783
Batman can't kill the Joker if this is to be in the animated series' continuity

>>84731773
Completely lost interest after they turned Babs into the generic stronk wimyn character.

>>84733065
I almost turned it off once she fucked batman. Once I finished it I immediately deleted it. What the fuck was DC thinking.

>>84733050
>if this is to be in the animated series' continuity
It's not. But Batman doesn't kill him in TKJ anyway.

Anybody got a download link?

>>84733113
Then what was The "Killing" Joke?

>>84733157
just go to rarbg.

I'll let you know right now - you'll regret it

>>84731773
I will admit the Batgirl half is weak, but everything that was straight from the book was great. Conroy pulls a weak performance on the first half but nails the second. Hamil just nails it all around.

I think if they should have just stuck with the book part it'd have been a 8.5/10

>>84733237
hamil sounded kinda old IMO. He said this was his last joker performance and now I know why

>>84731773

So does Batman snap Joker's neck Ala Grant Morrison?

>>84733201
Dunno. But the only person I've ever seen support the "kill theory" is Morrison, who had no input on the book at all. The book was published to be canonical (regardless of Moore's original intention) so he never killed him.

>>84733253
>He said this was his last joker performance
He always says that though

>>84733253
>He said this was his last joker performance and now I know why
He's said that before. He sounded just as old in Arkham Knight.

>>84733253
>What is Justice League Action

>>84733253
He's in that upcoming JLAction cartoon as Joker.
I think he said he found a way of doing the voice that was easier on his throat, back when Arkham Knight came out or something, so who knows when, of if, he'll stop.

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Name the references.

>>84733350
>think he said he found a way of doing the voice that was easier on his throat, back when Arkham Knight came out or something
Jesus really? Because he sounded strained as hell in AK.

>>84733555
>presumably the TV show from TDKR or many other Joker stories
>Batman '89
>Batman '66
>TDK
>Jason Todd's best story
>Just Joker and Harley (weird that he's got his classic design and she's Nu52)
>The Laughing Fish
>Batman #1 also somewhat similar to the cover of The Man Who Laughs
>I don't know?
>Hideout from BTAS

>>84733555

Laughing Fish, Death in the Family, The Dark Knight, Arkham series, Pagliacci, Batman '89, and Batman Beyond reference(?)

>>84733113
He does. And he doesn't. It's up to the reader to decide

>>84733664
>He does. And he doesn't. It's up to the reader to decide
Given that the book was printed to be canonical, it's really not. If you wanna view the story as a non-canon one shot then you can justify it I guess.

>>84733201
>>84733277
>The book was published to be canonical
Not true it's first March 88 print was sold as an elseworlds story however it was quickly changed to canon when it's critical reception was so well.
Frankly I think that was a huge mistake because as the anon pointed out, it makes the title pointless.

>>84733201
The fans are killed because of how bad it is. Alan Moore's future adaptations are killed. And now, the animated version kills the hope for a good movie. It's all a big joke.

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>>84733703
>Given that the book was printed to be canonical
Then why did it take over 2 years for Babs to become crippled?

>>84733714
>>Although there has been speculation as to whether or not editors at DC specifically intended to have the character's paralysis become permanent, Brian Cronin, author of Was Superman A Spy?: And Other Comic Book Legends Revealed (2009) noted that DC had hired Barbara Kesel to write the Batgirl Special specifically to retire the character and set her in place for The Killing Joke.
This is what I've always heard.

>Not true it's first March 88 print was sold as an elseworlds story however it was quickly changed to canon when it's critical reception was so well.
Interesting, got any source on that?

>Frankly I think that was a huge mistake
I agree, I've just always assumed it was canon.

>>84733806
Try 6
it wasn't till Zero Hour that all that got rework into canon

>>84733810
Not anon but I can't trust any source after 2006 because that's when DC was battling Moore and what not over rights and shit with his books, I feel they say anything to keep Moore's influence away so they could get the money rolling in.

>>84733201
That one day Batman or Joker will possibly kill each other and they are too stubborn and crazy too change the course of that happening.

>>84731773
No they didn't.

They're both just standing there, still, flat.
There's no wind blowing batman's cape, there's no raindrops soaking both of them.
The scenes are all off and filled with meaningless negative space, Mark Hamill reads the whole joke without any direction, and the police lights in the puddle are completely missing.

It failed to capture any part of what made the ending so great.

>>84733806
See >>84733810 they planned to retire her after TKJ, as in, never appear again (she was already non-existant in the Bat-Books by the late 80's).

>>84732783
I expected to hear a choking sound. some people said it was open ended but it did not seem very open to me.
>>84733050
it need not be in the same continuity. good story should be top priority
>>84733065
A)you are autistic B) you missed the point
>>84733101
don't be a baby
>>84733157
Batman.The.Killing.Joke.2016.720p.BluRay.x264-ROVERS[EtHD]
>>84733237
first half was ok but it did not fit tone and it was a disappointment mostly because people came for the killing joke and got France instead

>>84733960
Honestly I feel they wasted to much of the budget on "looks" and that add on story.
I think we can all agree we would have rather had a 40 minute telling of the source with double the quality in environment then the 80 minute slog we got.

>>84733277
>the only person I've ever seen support the "kill theory" is Morrison
People have been saying Batman killed him at the end since the book came out. I remember people discussing it as a theory in the 90's and there's evidence in the book to support it.

>>84733277
if he does not kill him in the end then the story is pointless

>>84734050
wasn't there an after story made where Bat-man was dealing with the guilt of killing him?

>>84733960
>There's no wind blowing batman's cape, there's no raindrops soaking both of them.
The whole movie was lacking in such details. basic stuff like stomps in the puddle had minimal effort in them which made them look fake, like when in a CGI show you notice how empty the city is (all the still and loops did not help)

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>>84731773
You know what else got nailed? Barbara

>>84734028
> A)you are autistic

and you're a cuck

>B) you missed the point

That Bruce Timm has always been a pervert and he projected his fetish onto an established character? No I think that point was made loud and clear.

>>84733999
They retired her after the Special before that. They made a strong send off then, they gave no hints or warnings of TKJ.
This "oh it was always planned" didn't surface till WB was getting dead serious about making a Watchman film as a backdoor way for DC to write stories about the cast again, which lead to credibility of rights being the standing fight. Suddenly Killing Joke was always to be canon, Extraordinary Gentlemen gets an earth number, and Watchmen are being pushed hard as a DC own property.

>>84731773
Should they just stop using Hamill at this point? Really disappointed at his performance in this

>>84734122
>MADHOUSE
Did not work out for marvel so why would it work for DC

Im just going to edit out the first 30mins to this.....

>>84734166
>and you're a cuck
prove it
>That Bruce Timm has always been a pervert and he projected his fetish onto an established character? No I think that point was made loud and clear.
non of her actions are presented as positive, you retarded faggot

>>84734050
>>84734079

what evidence?
what story?

why do people think batman killed the joker? you are making me want to post the last few pages

>>84734206
>comparing TV anime madhouse with takeshi koike big budget film madhouse

>>84731773
Was this really as bad as you guys are saying? I didn't even realize it had released yet.

>>84734207
yeah that will show them. put it next to your supercut of star wars

>>84734205
I feel like it's at a point where he's been talked up so much people just let him loose with no direction.

I thought he was pretty good with the singing bit, but the worst parts of the performance feel like nobody is making him do a second take.

>>84734050
I'll change my comment. The only person of note I've ever seen support is was Morrison. Moore nor anyone else who worked on the book have ever said anything about it, and it's not included in the original script.
Yeah there's evidence to support it in the book, but it's still ultimately a theory (though one that I like a lot, especially if you take the book out of context and treat it as an elseworlds tale).

>>84734054
Not really. The book has other merits outside of the interpretable death. It gave us the most iconic Joker origin story and kickstarted Babs transformation into Oracle. It also showed how strong mainstream Batman's code of ethics are given that he didn't kill him in the main canon version.

>>84734245
Torrents are up early.

>>84734242
>big budget
>DC
kek. prepare your anus for Iron Man: Rise of Technovore DC edition

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>>84734239

just for you guys the last few pages pls point out to me where batman kills the joker.

>>84734245
its ok.

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>>84734330
>>84734342

i can see batman holding on to the joker OR choking him.

>>84734255
Im not trying to "get back" at WB, Im just pointing out the prologue was unnecessary. Also fuck Star Wars

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>>84734330
>>84734342
>>84734351

still no death being implied.
or maybe i suck.

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>>84734330
>>84734336
>>84734342
>>84734351
>>84734373

just for completetion

>>84734190
Is that so? I know nothing of the animosity between more and DC so I'll take your word for it.

Still though, regardless of if they planned it or not, the canonical ending is that he doesn't kill him. But the fact that it was allegedly printed as an Elseworld certainly makes the other ending more feasible.

>>84734330
It's the last 5 panels and it's open to interpretation.
That means one person can see it one way and someone can see it another way.
There's implications for both possibilities but no concrete evidence for either.

>>84734302
>It gave us the most iconic Joker origin story
true
>Babs transformation into Oracle
its an event, like Jason death the event is more important than the story surrounding it
>It also showed how strong mainstream Batman's code of ethics are given that he didn't kill
as has been shown 1000s times with joker and other bad guys. Its not new ground, him actually making the kill and betraying jim's expectations would be new ground.The final conversation he has with the joker is super good if he kills him but its just corny if he does nothing but repeat the cycle

>>84734373
That line separating that, them that also opens the book, disappears. Never noticed that before.

>>84734245
First half is pretty bad with the Barbara focus. It gets better when they actually start adapting the actual comic, but the poor animation really takes its tole on the overall quality.

>>84734483
>its an event, like Jason death the event is more important than the story surrounding it
I'd argue that the Killing Joke is the direct opposite to DITF. The event is the only notable part of DITF (how many people remember Jokers diplomatic immunity?), lots of stuff in TKJ has stayed within memory Babs getting crippled isn't more important the the story of the book.

>as has been shown 1000s times with joker and other bad guys.
It has now. At the time it wasn't repeated every five pages like it is now. Also at the time Joker had done nothing (in main canon) as deplorable as cripple Barbara (DITF came after), so after the book was made canon, finding out that Batman let him live was actually quite powerful at the time.

>>84734609
than*

>>84734569
The Joker's laughter also just cuts out abruptly. Notice the sound effect for the siren lasts a bit longer. Again nothing definitive but it makes you wonder.

>>84734373
I always saw it as the "flashlight" gets turned off in the final panel. Batman turned off the flashlight on the Joker, neither of them escape. They both "stay" in the mental hospital.

>>84734660
but in the joke, the one holding the flashlight already crossed over.

>>84734373
I don't see a shadow but I think the light going on is symbolic show of death

>>84734696
Joker crossed over, he's dead.
Batman killed him, he succumbed to the insanity; he has to stay.

>>84734660
the point is that the whole premise is absurd since you can't walk on light

>>84734729
Walking on light is not really that absurd in the DCU.

>>84734743
fine, walking on light from a flashlight you found in a mental asylum

>>84734724
why would the one holding the flash light die?

its the person who tries to cross and has the bridge turned off under them that dies.

>>84734729
that's the text, but the subtext is that the two inmates are batman and the joker.

>>84734373
I like the theory that Batman kills Joker with the pin, which gets lodged into his glove during an earlier fight

>>84734808
>subtext is that the two inmates are batman and the joker.
yeah im not stupid.The flashlight can be help that batman is talking about but in the eyes of the joker its an illusion

Umm...did Batman throw those minions dressed like him into the spike pit in the hall of mirrors scene??

>>84734946
yes. fat lady also took a knife to the back, I was not paying attention but it seems few people died

>>84735007
Yeah, I noticed that too but Batman didn't throw the knife; the two headed lady did. He straight up Afffleck'ed those guys in the pit.

Did we really need a scene where Batman fights the circus freaks?

>>84734190
>Extraordinary Gentlemen gets an earth number

What

>>84735065
i legit wondered why they never fought him in the original, sure it doesent add anything to the story but they were working for the joker

>>84735065
Extra action is better padding than the stuff with Babs at the start.

>>84735085
I think LoEG is the only ABC property that Moore 100% has the rights to so I think that's probably bullshit.

On the other hand I have started noticing that the ABC logos on the recent Promothea and Tom Strong trades have been removed and replaced by the Vertigo logo so those might have earth numbers.

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>>84735043
well if you want to get all technical then im pretty sure this guy suffocated

>>84735065
Fights and murders a few.

>>84735065
>>84735153
Speaking of, if you had control over this adaptation, what would you have added for time instead of this garbage we got?

>>84735168
i remember this thing in TDKR, i am pretty sure that it just knocks the guy down and the sweat makes little holes for him to breath

>>84735168
Batman killed more people than the Joker did in this.

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is he a good fuck?

>>84735237
Who ?

>>84735224
technical they did find those 4 dead bodies so joker the top killer
>>84735203
Where here it looks like he tired to pull it off, failed and suffocated

>>84735269
>Where here it looks like he tired to pull it off, failed and suffocated
That happened to the mutant leader tho, but well it was the mutant leader so theres that

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would you do any of these hos?
>>84735249
france paris

>>84735200
I would have put some focus on Babs at the start. Show her briefly as Batgirl, maybe via montage full of references from her 60's and 70's appearances. Also would have shown her and Jim interacting more just to show how close they are, which really is probably what Timm and Azz should have done instead of what we got.

Probably add some stuff to Jokers flashbacks, mostly just quick scenes from early Batman comics or Jokers three way Revenge just to cement the animosity between the two.

And obviously extend the action sequences like I said. Also would have pushed for something resembling the original's palette.

>>84735377
jokers backstory was very badly delivered

>>84735417
I though that it was pretty good though, Hamill did a great job

>>84735417
Well, good thing we have multiple choice

>>84735417
Eh it was alright, just what I expected really. Mark was better than he was in Arkham Knight.

I'm not going to watch this because they made Batgirl sleep with Batman

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>>84735449
In comic I actually felt shit but while Hamill did his job, the sequencing and the filters did not really work. lack of animation details really killed it

>>84735509
Just start it where the original comic begins, it's not like you'll miss anything by skipping the prologue.

>>84735535
This looks horrible.

>>84735509
prove your loyalty by fapping to it

>>84733555
>"That luscious tan, those ruby lips, and hair color so natural, only your undertaker knows for sure."
I think >>84733625 got most of them, though I swear I recognize the Punch puppet from something, but can't place it.

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>>84735560
kind of side note but I only just notice that despite them being poor they are eating shrimp, everyone is eating shrimp(its the same in the comic.shrimp and octopus)

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>>84735626

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>>84735641

>>84735641
Man he looks tired

>>84735586
>"That luscious tan, those ruby lips, and hair color so natural, only your undertaker knows for sure."
'89 is so comfy. I know people like to shit on Jack ever since Ledger "redefined the character", but I still enjoy his performance every time I watch it.

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>>84735660
Was this one of those things that everyone noticed 100 years ago?

>>84735626
To be fair that looks like Crawfish.

>>84735660
This scene aways made me hungry

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>>84735666
he is

Anyone have the cap of butt hurt Azzarelo and Joker during the q/a?

>>84734373
I've seen folks claim that the laughter's sudden stop means that he strangled him, but I always just saw it as the siren (EEEEEEE) drawing closer and drowning out the laughter, with the light turning off symbolically implying that they'd remain locked in their struggle.

>>84735626
God I can't focus on the pot, its like some illusion. try to picture the circumference of the pot

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>getting rid of the best scene to make room for Babsgrrrl

>>84735758
They had this scene though

>>84735723
well in the animated version there are no sirens. first the joker stops laughing and then batman stops after few seconds but there is just rain, no sound of choking or a struggle.

>>84734660
In my mind, the flashlight story represented taking a leap of faith and the Joker's unwillingness to do so. Batman offered him a way out, but he was too scared of the unknown possibilities and remained set in his ways because it's all he's known for so long.

>I want to help you, trust me.
>You'll give up on me halfway.

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What is in the blue bottle

>>84735758
They had it but I guess it was not dramatic enough so joker is taken off screen while his partners get ready to wack him since they thing he is ratting on them

>>84735626
That's lobster, and it only became rich people food in about the 70s.
Seafood was cheap as fuck on the coastlines, rich people ate beef.

>>84735795
you are correct.
>>84734660
this is stupid
>>84734724
this is not only stupid and simplistic it also does not line up with what the joker said. main "conflict' seems to come from the fact that batman too had a bad day but unlike the joker he did not succumb

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was the R rating justified? I mean it was not that far removed from robin vs batman

>>84735922
It was a marketing gimmick to appeal to edgemeisters. They were probably pretty far along production by the time they agreed on the R rating and they just added a few splashes of blood here and there afterwards.

The question is who represented who in the joke? Did Batman kill the joker?

Joker origin was good too.

It's a good adaptation senpaitachi.

>>84732783
I never brought this crap. I think it's supposed to represent they're both equally doomed to insanity and can't escape from obsessions even if they could trust each other.

>>84735969
no, also the joke had nothing to do with killing

>>84735806
Purple stuff

>>84736001
Yeah it did. One interpretation is that Joker is the one with the Flashlight. He tells Batman that it's better on the other side, and all he needs to do is trust him and walk across the light (an obviously insane notion).
Batman won't do it, though, because he's not ready to cross over. He recognizes that Joker would likely just turn it off, and he'd be let down. There is only one option left for Batman and that is to kill Joker because he isn't going to stop.

>>84735922
It wasn't any gorier than Batman vs Robin and the 'sex scene' was tame as fuck.

>>84736061
>There is only one option left for Batman and that is to kill Joker because he isn't going to stop.
that is a logical leap in no way connected to the joke.There is a metaphorical roof separating them
>>84736111
yep.What jim got was fucked up but in a way no more fucked up than what the toy master did to those kids and sex was tamer than the one in court of owls, hell it looks prudish when put next to Batman: Assault on Arkham (which was pg 13)

>>84736061
the interpretation that it's joker with the flashlight is really fucking reaching.

>>84736061
That interpretation keeps getting passed around but its really tenuous and makes no fucking sense.

>>84736175
>logical leap
I mean leap in logic

>>84735065
that was always going to be the problem with this film theres not auctualy enough story there to make a full length movie
>>84735094
also this

>>84736175
That is about Batman breaking his one rule which is killing. Honestly I think it's more about because of batman's no kill rule ultimately they will be doing this forever and this is why Batman starts laughing.

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So does this mean that, TDK and the 1989 film are canon?

>>84736479
Kek

>>84735094
They were afraid of getting their asses kicked. They signed on to creep out Gordon, the second the batmobile pulls up they all run in fear while the Joker just stands smiling.

If having Batman fight them means we miss out on him and Joker locking eyes infront of a caged Gordon then fuck'em.

>>84736479
Canon to what? This movie is completely self contained.

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>>84735996
I take it to mean that the Joker doesn't trust Batman to help him "cross over" to sanity. Batman gets it after a minute, and that's the point where he gives up trying to help Joker and kills him.

>>84736521
Alan Moore's script for the comic already proves it's unlikely that he kills him. He says that they share a moment of laughter together.

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>>84736549
>Unlikely he kills him

It's certainly an interpretation. If there was ever a point where Batman could be at peace with killing Joker, this would be it.

>>84736507
Is it not in the animated series' continuity?

>>84736644
arent half of all the animated films self contained

>>84736479
>what are Easter eggs

>>84736641
>Batman is serious and stoic at all times
>never kills
>Joker is a laughing maniac at all times
>always kills
>Batman finally laughs with the Joker
>Batman finally kills the Joker

^ could be another way to look at it

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Well, this scene was every bit as gay as I thought it'd be.

>>84732783

He wasn't strangling him. Alan said so.

>>84736677
The Joker is incapable of redemption, because he has no concept of what it is or how to go about it. Batman realizes that even if he could earn the Joker's trust, he could never rehabilitate him. That is the joke to Batman, which means he must kill the Joker. Hence his laughter and the ending. Nobody dies.

>>84736703
Didn't say that was how it definitely ended, was just offering a possible way to look at it.

All this movie did is made me want to rape Barbara

>>84736693
Mr.j we had fun but I really need to know where our relationship if going
>>84736703
or you know, the system could do it job.

>>84736644
Not even in the slightest. The original Joker died while Barbra was still Batgirl in the DCAU continuity.

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>>84736799
tell no one or there will be 100 articles about rape culture

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was there anything about jokers boner?

>>84736885
>Bat-Garbed vigilante critically injures murderer
Is that reference to Batman tricking Joker into stabbing himself in the chest Batman #1? Neat.

what the fuck is jokers problem, geez. guy is a fucking edgy faggot that's going to inspire more villainy from r9k/pol-tards

>>84736693
>yfw you were hired by the Joker to dress up as him
>yfw Batman starts talking about relationships and gets physical with you
Why would you even hench for the Joker

>>84736954
Your outrage only makes him happier.

>>84736965
A chance to meet Batman and have him treat you like his husbando for a few minutes.

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>>84736910
and well, you know

>>84736985
Truly worth it

>>84736965
at least he was found out before bats rolled out the intimate stuff.If he had heard it then he would have to be dealt with

>>84736986
Obviously, but I was specifically referring to the text. Joker doesn't appear in DC #27 (unless you think he's Alfred Stryker post-chemical bath I guess).

>>84736973
im upset that this movie will inspire some 4chan faggot to kill a bunch of people. im sick of you impressionable faggots and joker---

actually, what's going on with joker. i heard something like there's 3 jokers now?

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>>84736985
Their love is the purest of loves

>>84737029
casuals are the biggest jokerfags

>>84737043
The fact that Batman lost his virginity instead to Babs instead of Joker in this really triggered me.

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>>84737117

>>84737117
this tbqh

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>>84737149

>>84737149
>Be naked in shower
>"Dick?"

Kek.

Man, it took half an hour to have anything to do with the Killing Joke, I know the comic isn't that long but geez.

>>84736641
>>84732783
The point of this is in the joke Joker tells. The stream of light is cut off by Batman's shadow. Batman turns the light off before the Joker can walk across it to the other side.

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explain to me how this movie is rated R /co/

What is in that ACTUALLY deserves an R rating

>>84738151
gordon wasn't wearing underwear

I don't understand what the big deal of this story. This is my first time experiencing it and it just ends with them laughing? Am I missing something?

This is what was so critically acclaimed and shocking?

>>84733555
1. Dark Knight Returns
2. Batman 89
3. dunno
4. The Dark Knight
5. Death in the Family
6. Animated series?
7. Definitely animated series.
8. The Man Who Laughs
9. dunno
10. dunno

>>84738198
the comic was better

the atmosphere in the animated version is really drab and dull, and is done pretty sloppily and lazily.

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>>84733555

>>84731773
Are the visuals as god awful as the trailer made it look?

>>84738256
yes

You think DC will release a version that cuts out all the Batgirl filler garbage? If you remove that the actual movie is a good version of TKJ story I think.

>>84738272
I don't get how they could fuck this up so bad, especially after doing a decent job with Year One and TDKR

>>84738151
Ausfag here i was honestly expecting it to maybe have something that would give us an r rating.
We still ended up ma15+

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>You will never get an official Batman movie with hot ball slapping sex

>>84734239

Not him but the idea is pretty heavily reinforced throughout the entire story.

It starts with Batman directly addressing the endless cycle him and the Joker are in. He's tired of it and he knows that it has to stop, so he makes a genuine attempt to do so before the day comes where something bad happens so he can at least say he tried. Then you have what the Joker does to Babs. The most important thing to take note of from this is "the look in his eye". The new escalation the Joker has taken, this is very important to take note of if you believe that Batman kills him at the end.

The title "The Killing Joke" really says a lot, because that is what the joke is. It is the joke that finally makes Batman break his rule. The joke can be seen to be about two things. The first is their never-ending cycle that Batman desperately wants to escape but the Joker cannot, the second is a comparison of both their lives. Batman is insane, just like the Joker, but he is able to help people and, when all is said and done, he has a chance to lead a normal life. As for the Joker, with everything he has done and how far gone he is, he says it himself "It's far too late for that". So the Joker tries to help in the only way he can, he constantly challenges Batman and helps mold him into the hero Gotham needs. The look in his eye and this time being different is because it is different. He knows that his usefulness is coming to an end and that this is his final challenge. He convinces Batman that there are criminals who are simply beyond rehabilitation that need to be killed. By making Batman break his rule Batman is finally the hero Gotham needs, instead of this endless cycle bullshit where he refuses to kill people and innocents are killed because of it. They both laugh because of how perfectly the joke encapsulates their relationship and it brings Batman to the realization that he has to break his rule, because there is no other answer.

>>84731773
regardless of how the film lacks the subtlety of scene in the comics, and the weird/choppy transition between scene, i still found the ending to be less ambiguous. sure, even in the comic, joker stopped laughing first but still it didn't felt that batman kill him.
oh well, even with the continuity in DC animated series, there would be no problem if batman killed this joker. we still got two more

Why is everyone saying this is the DCAU?

A laughing fish reference doesn't mean shit.

>>84735297
i'd take Mercy for a dinner

Do none of you guys not realise what the book it actually about? It's representative of all Batman/Joker stories, batman goes to visit him in the asylum, turns out Joker broke out, he does some terrible shit, batman finds him, beats him up a bit and sends him back to the asylum just for the cycle to repeat. The first and last two panels are mirrors of eachother showing the books cyclical meaning

>>84737117
>implying
Man, you know they were fucking long before Barbara raped Bruce.

>>84731773
Nah. The comic ending is open ended but certainly strongly suggests that Batman kills him, this ending I honestly don't even think it would occur to most people that Batman was possibly about to choke him out.

>>84739605
The animated version seems to lean more towards the literal/fourth wall break theory.

Batman still looks at the audience when he begins to laugh, despite that part not matching the comic panel. (Joker in frame etc.)

>>84734373
That doesn't look like batman choking him to you? Sure looks like choking to me and it makes sense. Joker hurts the people closest to batman but still even after all that and everything else he's done batman sincerely trys to help him, and joker just turns him down and explains himself with a silly joke like it's all no big deal. Batman was done. That's why he laughed, it was a "wow I am so fucking done with this guy" laugh.

>>84739789

>himself with a silly joke like it's all no big deal. Batman was done. That's why he laughed, it was a "wow I am so fucking done with this guy" laugh.

No. There are a lot of interpretations, but that is one that is wrong.

>>84739789
Your throat is in your chest?

>>84739813
If there was ever a time to give up on him that was it, I don't see how thats wrong.

>>84739864

He laughed because of how spot on the joke was, not because "lol, fuck this guy".

>>84736521
It's not that he doesn't trust him, it implies that Batman's proposal to help Joker regain his sanity is worthless, since they're both equally insane.

>>84739838
It's close. Pls explain the reasoning for him not killing Mr. J here the idea that they share a laugh and decide to be bros or something has always seemed pretty weak to me.

He just turned down a sincere offer for help and pretty much told batman he will never accept help because he doesn't believe it will work, he thinks he'll fall, the beam will get turned off before he reaches the other side. If there was ever a time to kill him this was it.

>>84734054
Actually, the freaking point is that the story is pointless. Batman and the Joker can't get out of their vicious cycle. TKJ is about Batman and the Joker suddenly being self-aware and trying to get a resolution but at the end realizing there can't never be a resolution because both are corporative pets, in-universe because both are insane, so everything they can do is to laugh at the insanity of their situation. Fist vignette is a rainy floor, last vignette is a rainy floor. Nothing is resolved, Batman and the Joker are ready to fight again on another issue. It's a very metatextual work, the kind of shit Moore loves

>>84739971
Spot on or not it was absurd. To use a joke to explain yourself at a time like that is ridiculous.

>>84740039 thats what I think it meant.

He pretty much showed batman there's no hope for him, he's never going to change, he doesn't believe he can so he's not going to try. If there was ever a time to be done this was it and I think batman laughed because he was done and finally saw how ridiculous their whole relationship had been.

>>84736521
>Batman gets it after a minute
Yes.
>and that's the point where he gives up trying to help Joker and kills him.
No.

>>84740096
thanks Alan

>>84740096
It's only pointless because Batman is a stupid pussy and won't kill the Joker. The point should be that the the Joker is hurting people and needs to be stopped, but Batman doesn't give a fuck about that because he's mentally ill.

>>84740220
But he does kill the joker. All other interpretations are shit.

>>84740220
Batman and The Joker are properties of DC comics and they make money.

>>84734166
>and you're a cuck

This has officially lost all meaning even by /co/ or chan standards. At least with retard, faggot and autist they can at least be used in most contexts and still make sense, but you don't even care and are just throwing it around because you're upset you got called out.
You an invalid and have bad opinions and shouldn't voice them here

>She found the, uh, victim in a state of undress.
>Undress?
>Yeah, he usually comes around here, right away. Like before it's even on the news, he broke out of the nuthouse again, he's had a roll. You'd think the most important thing for him is to...
>What?

I'm supposed to believe Batman actually had sexual intercourse with Barbara despite having the mentality of a 10-year-old?

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>>84734373
It's implied that he raped him

by the book

>>84740587
She forced herself on him you saw.

>>84734330
Does it even really matter if he killed the Joker? Even in the stories where he really does die they find a way to bring him back. Plus it's regularly implied that he's more a supernatural counterbalance to the concept of Batman than an actual specific person. Killing him would be meaningless, and on some level Batman probably realizes that.

>>84740654
i waited for this

>>84740826
I'm here to deliver

>>84734330
The movie was done in such a repugnantly dull house style.
It really doesn't do Bolland's art justice.

>>84739789
>That doesn't look like batman choking him to you? Sure looks like choking to me
Are you fucking blind?

>>84741142
Are you? That looks like 2 people sharing a friendly laugh to you?

>>84733555
I love how the Joker is looking at Harleys nu52 design

>What the fuck happened to you Harley?

Azzarello defends sex scene

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/sdcc-batman-the-killing-joke-screenwriter-explains-controversial-sex-scene

>"The thing about this is that it's controversial, so we added more controversy," explained Azzarello. "I think she is stronger than the men in her life in this story. She controls the men in her life in this story."

>"They both make mistakes, but she's the one who decides, 'I have to stop. There's a problem here, and I need to step away from this,'" Liu explained. "I think that comes from an emotional strength. I think she makes the decisions that strong people make."

>"She comes off as a stronger character at the end of that arc," Azzarello agreed.

>>84741338
>w-we thought we knew better than Alan Moore

what a hack

>>84732783

I know. that was the best part.

But the punchline delivery didn't seem timed enough.

>>84735535
This is garbage

I liked the Animated Series but you get what you pay for with cheap TV animation. You'd think a standalone movie would have some craftsmanship involved

>>84741338
>The thing about this is that it's controversial, so we added more controversy,

ABSOLUTE MADMAN

>>84737982
Joker believes he can't get across to the other side so he's not going to try. That's what he was telling batman. Batman was really trying to help him.

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>>84741338
>The thing about this is that it's controversial, so we added more controversy
>People take him seriously

>>84732783
Do people pretend to believe this theory ironically?

>>84741459
>strong strong strong strong strong

If you want to make a strong Batgirl movie, fucking make Batgirl Year One, you gutless hack. Don't shoehorn shit into the shit you happen to already be making just because it's easier

>>84741559
Anon killing the joker is the theory that makes sense. The "nothing happens cause they're both le so crazy xD" theory is the one that's stupid.

>>84741970
What evidence do you have?

>>84742204
He made a real effort to help him, joker turned him down and told him he doesn't believe he can change/isn't going to try (he's the patient who's scared to jump, he doesn't think he can make it so he won't try), killing him is perfectly reasonable at that point.

Let's just rethink this whole thing regarding who did what

Batman tells the Joker this is the final night
Joker says no and tells the Joke
Batman laughs, Joker laughs
Batman has his hands on him
The line that separates them in the puddle is gone

Did Batman kill the Joker?
Some say yes, because
>This is the final night
>Arms on him
>Bat finally broken with laughter
>Joker's laughter stops

Some say no
>Not in his morale codex
>One bad day is not enough
>He actually just subdued him at the end so he won't be trouble for the police

In any case, if the Anon from earlier is right and this WAS intended to be an Elseword, we could assume he killed him

But since this is canon and there are other stories with the Joker, that means he didn't kill him.
The movie on the other hand is a stand-alone thing. I personally like to think that he killed him

In any case, did he rape the Joker before the cops got there?

>>84742625
If he doesn't kill him the story is pretty stupid. It's much better as a one off story where he kills him at the end.

Joker just told him he can't/won't change, there's no hope for him so killing him is the only thing that makes sense otherwise it will just keep happening.

Also it's funny that in the end batman wasn't broken by joker crippling batgirl or torturing Gordon, he doesn't go kill him in an emotional rage or anything like that in fact he tries to help him, but the joke, where joker is essentially telling him I can't/won't change, finally gives him the grounds to do the deed.

>>84739789

Batman laughs because of all people the one he relates to the most and the one who truly understands him is his greatest enemy. As well as the joke being funny and perfectly encapsulating their relationship.

Joker raped Babs, right?

>>84741506

It works everytime, especially on the internet. People are too addicted to controversy and getting mad at it.

I'm also not surprised he agrees considering that joker story he wrote.

>>84742463
>What evidence do you have?

>>84735297
Any, but I like the girl in the middle the most. Because I swear I've seen her or that design somewhere else.

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>>84743395
Maybe from Fallout?

>>84743301
No, Joker would never cheat on Batman

>>84743707
It's not cheating if it's rape.

>>84735755
It's a crock pot. Long.

>>84743301
Babs raped Batman, Joker was just returning the gesture.

>>84735967
Yeah, I thought they were going to have a nude Babs full frontal.

>>84743498
Sort of close, but it's not her. Might have been a post in a drawthread.

>>84742204
I believe it was intended to be taken either way. Anytime Moore or Boland is asked about it they act coy and dodge the question. If it was straightforward they would've just said "No he doesn't kill him. Next question.", by now.

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I've not seen it yet, why was the decision made to make the first half hour or so focusing on Barbara? I know they needed to pad time, but why not use that time to focus more on Batman or something that's actually more relevant to TKJ?

>>84745123
they distracted everyone from Barbara getting crippled by having her fuck Batman

>>84736521
I don't get the joke

>>84745209

They're both crazy. He says he'll shine a flashlight over the gap and the other guy can walk over the beam of light, like a bridge, which is literally impossible. So the other guy says "what are you crazy? You'll turn it off half way". It's funny because you think he's going to say you're crazy for thinking that would work but he says something that further illustrates how they're both insane.

For fuck sake you people

The title itself says "The KILLING Joke"

Of course Batman kill Joker at the end.

>>84734122
SEVEN YEARS

>>84734228
>prove it
I fucked you're waifu.

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>>84745278
Thanks for explaining, think I'm retarded because when I read beam pic related came to mind
Which makes little sense but then so does walking across a light beam

>>84745392
There is more than one way to kill a man.

Joker kills Bats's soul desu

Vote now :

>>84745878
>>84745878
>>84745878

No ambulance and no sirens ruins it. The laugh needs something to fade into. The abrupt stop is jarring. Also the idea of laughter mixing with wailing sirens sounds hellish and would help the atmosphere greatly.

>>84745392
the joke itself is killer because it made batman laugh for the first time and destroys batman's code that he can rehabilitate criminals and give them second chance they need. Joker is too far gone. It makes little sense batman kills him because he says he wont just a bit beforehand.

They ran out of budget to make a scene where batman snaps joker neck.

Thats why they created "MUH CLIFFHANGER"