Strange vs. Constantine

>>84700900

Constantine gets by on sheer bloody luck and by being a complete bastard. Strange way outclasses him.

>>84700900
one is sorcerer supreme
other is Human and neo, once
Its not hard

>>84700900
Constantine would require some fairly contrived bullshit to beat Strange. Granted, Constantine runs on contrived bullshit at times.

Constantine would get BTFO. Dr. Strange is comparable to Dr. Fate.

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>>84700900

Constantine would be fucked beyond all levels of fucked.

>>84700900
This sounds like batman vs superman

Batman gets his shit kicked in on the first go but learns a few tricks that would help him win on the 2nd round

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>>84701516

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>>84701601

>>84700932
He really is the Indidana Jones/Han Solo of magic with less compassion.

>>84700900
what's with this match coming up so often lately? Constantine isn't a spell slinger, he tricks people and cons them.

If you want a proper pairing do Dr Strange and Dr Fate. Even then Dr Strange wins, the only one who DC has that would beat Strange is Timothy Hunter

>>84702327

Because he's one of the most capable mages in the DC Universe. He gets by on tricks and confidence scams, but that's only because he has a disdain for power, regardless of its source. He's stood toe to toe with much flashier magicians and every time, he's walked away just fine, because he doesn't buy into the shit that they're selling.

>>84702390
>>84700932

Is literally everything I need to know aobut constantine in Hellblazer, or is there more to look into?

Really all I know about him is from Books of Magic and a couple Zatanna storytimes. And that he happens to be a cunt.

Is he powerful at all or not?

>>84700900
Strange wins any fight but Constantine gets the last laugh
Still from what little strange i have read he can get crafty at times but not really in the same way as john.

>>84702436

Literally everything you need to know about Constantine is in Hellblazer. He's incredibly powerful, but because of his disdain for power and the people that wield it, he never really utilizes it.

>>84702484

Alright, cool

Hellblazer is done, correct? Are there many versions? I know it got the Rebirth treatment, but if it got New52'd and pre/pos crisis shit goes deep

>>84702436
He is more powerful then most by shear virtue of expirence but compared to any auctual major character he is pretty much an ant.

But yes read hellblazer avoid his nu52 like the plague his dcyou ended really nicely and his rebirth is shapping up to be either really good or really bad

>>84701625
The issue that made me fan

>>84702555
Well i suppose an ant is underselling things he has pulled off a few major spells.

Combat wise he is pretty much nothing though

>>84702534

Hellblazer is done, yes. Got all the way to 300 issues and is the longest running series that Vertigo has ever published.

John Constantine: Hellblazer was REALLY solid, and ran from last June to this June. Strongly recommended, but not as strongly recommended as Hellblazer itself. The new run that just started could go either way.

>>84702626
>The new run that just started could go either way.
Yeah that was a wierd one it was really promising for most of the issue and then it went to shit in the last 2 pages.

>>84702390
>Because he's one of the most capable mages in the DC Universe
he is capable when you compare him to street mages, that's it. He doesn't use magic a ton because he knows of the costs

have you been reading too much 52 Constantine? Cause that ain't his character

>>84702608

Yeah, it's combat where he really falls apart. He can take a punch, but he can't deal one for crap.

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>>84700900
This is at least the third time we've had this thread.
Best answer stands as "Strange wins, but later realizes his wallet is missing".
Brace yourself for Salty McShitpost btw

>>84700900
dr strange is the sorcerer supreme, he's the most knowledgable/powerful wizard in all of the marvel universe (well the 616)

constantine is a tricky cock, but he's just a tricky cock

>>84702673
such a bullshit ending

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>>84702686

I have been, but I know that a lot of it doesn't fall in line with his established character. I'm going off of how often he's used magic to outsmart and outmaneuver his opponents in Hellblazer, along with Jaime Delano and Andy Diggle's runs on the book, where it was flat out stated that he's incredibly powerful in comparison to all magic users.

>>84702686

>he knows of the costs

What ARE the costs though? I hear literally every magic welding character say something yet it's never explained

If it's just "you attract weird shit"/"your loved ones are endangered" bullshit it doesn't count, they live in comic books

>>84702739
I can tolerate the adressing the reader because apparently omniscient narators are the devil but the way he got the name was retarded.

>>84702673

Not exactly the first time he's directly addressed the audience, though. In the 200th issue, he basically talks about the various people who have written him with the audience, ending with him raising a glass to toast Alan Moore.

>>84702758
>If it's just "you attract weird shit"/"your loved ones are endangered" bullshit it doesn't count, they live in comic books
thats it
the cost is in plot/drama

>>84702754
>incredibly powerful
>any cunt could do it

>>84702831

Any cunt can throw a punch

Mike Tyson, though, punches very very well.

>>84702758
plot devices

>>84702831
anyone can do magic
just like anyone can shoot a gun, or cut someone open with a scalpel
but not everyone can be an expert quickdraw and marksman, or a skilled surgeon

constantine is much more skilled than your average wizard but he still doesn't match up to stephen strange (who is the greatest wizard, just like iron man is the greatest engineer and hulk is the strongest)

Constantine's best crossover fight would actually be Dr. Who. But he's /tv/, so eh.

>>84702686
Eh it can be hard to tell sometimes
I am only up to about issue 110 but from what i have read so far you have to look at a few things.
>The average level of the spells he casts
Mostly slightly above average divination (although he does seem to excell at travesing various magical realms)
>his in universe reputation
even new mages know of him but most of that is probably people overselling him.
>his greatest feats
Its flat out stated that nobody that knew him well thought he was powerful enough to pull off splitting his soul

>>84700900

Strange Wins but some how Constantine escapes, and Strange later finds out his Wallet's gone.

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Dr. Fate is a more appropriate fight for Dr. Strange.

Which is why they were merged in the Amalgam universe.

Constantine would be more of a match for solely sorcerous Dr. Doom (I realize this seems like a big thing but we're talking no technology beyond a lighter, no soldiers, etc).

>>84702758
One thing i liked from his shitty new52 run was he lost the ability to taste cigarettes.
But yeah its mostly that it always fucks you over john just shifts all the suffering and death onto others

>>84702811
Eh it wasent so much that that bothered me as how he got the name

>>84702462

Yeah, crafty Strange usually entails trickery with illusions and teleporting. On the other hand he has the Eye of Agamotto, which is basically the ultimate lie detector, illusion dispeller and mystery solved all in one. That would be a problem for Constantine.

>>84703025

>Doctor Doom vs. Constantine

Are we talking before he went back in time to learn everything there is to know about Magic and got back to present time by waiting DOOM or the later, and didn't Doom punch a fucking Lion to death? I feel this is very ones sided bot Constantine.

>>84703018

This is the correct answer.

>>84703134
Constantine knows all the tricks, or enough of them, to go against sorcerer Doom. He's got the will and the cunning.

>>84703169

>Will and Cunning

How will this save him from a Lion killing Punch to the face?

>>84702714
>Best answer stands as "Strange wins, but later realizes his wallet is missing".
Wasn't that what Mike Carey said when asked how Lucifer and Constantine would deal against one another? Lucifer would clearly triumph in planning, power, and getting what he wanted, but afterward he'd suddenly realise that John stole his wallet.

>>84700900

The real question is
>Swamp Thing vs Strange

Because John can't fight for shit and always gets someone else to do that for him. Usually Swampy.

While those two slug it out in the park, John's popped into Strange's flat, slipped roofies into Wong's tea, and knicked everything he could

>>84702758
>What ARE the costs though?

Detrimental to your health with over-use, but it depends on the mage. Zatanna has immense power that crosses into a grey area between magic and straight reality warping, but I remember a series that showed her overextending her powers and starting to hemorrhage internally and almost literally explode her vocal chords.

All magic has its price, sooner or later.

>>84703394
I dont have any idea who you are talking about but yeah with strange the wallet thing is a metaphor for getting the last laugh but when it comes down to it somebody that can beat john at his own game will literally get pickpocketed.

What ever happened to the soul of Original Constantine?

I want them to let me write a story about him fucking over Nu5-2 John and stealing his life.

>>84702758
Delano's run, for the most part, always dealt with Constantine getting fucked over by using magic only to use again to get out of the situation at the price of getting fucked over again. It's really a hellish cycle.

Where do I start with Strange? I like the whole oriental mysticism aesthetic, but I get overwhelmed with all the releases.

>>84700900
John is mostly a fake and a con man. (at least in hellblazer)

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>>84704247

If you want to keep things simple, start with the trades/graphic novels. The Oath's a good introductory story.

>>84703445
>Swamp Thing vs Strange
>tmw Strange summons Man Thing to his side for assistance
My body ready.

Wouldnt a better matchup be Dr Strange vs The Specter? John is severely outclassed here, so the first fight is definitely in Stranges favor. Of course you could argue that John would cheat like a motherfucker in the rematch

>>84705186
Spectre is way above Strange's class. Fate is the even matchup.

Constantine could only win if he called in some favors with some heavyweight demons that don't hate him or something...wait, I think he's the single most despised man by both Heaven and hell.

>>84705186
Specter could probably take on the Beyonder, he's literally an aspect of God.

Ennis' run went to shit after the king of vampires (only good issue after that was John's 40 birthday). Who are the worthwile authors for Hellblazer?

>>84704977
Thanks!

Shouldn't it be Constantine vs Daimon Hellstrom, or maybe agent of Asgard Loki?

>>84705186

Ther is literally no way to defeat the Spectre. If it's bound to a human host, then you appeal to their mercy and fucking pray you get lucky. If it's unbound then you are just straight-up fucked.

>>84705901
Well I just assumed since Strange has fought godlike beings before, but then again you're probably right. So what about Specter vs Dr Manhattan?

>>84706018
Spectre vs Shuma

>>84700900
Constantine uses misdirection and itty bitty bits of easy magic
Strange is the fucking Wal-Mart of Magic

>>84707649

Now THAT'S a fight.

>>84708197
maybe, maybe not. Shuma is practically a universe in himself, though even that is simplifying it, but the Spectre is an aspect of God and as such would have little issue sundering universes if it came to that.
You could even argue that he'd be even easier for the Spectre to fight because as the utterly inhuman monster that Shuma is he has absolutely no way to bring the Spectre's few fetters against him.

>>84702758
In Dr Strange's case as sorcerer supreme, the cost is essentially giving up a normal life and putting his entire dimension on his shoulders as it's protector from all dark mystic forces. On call 24/7.

>>84708958

Is DC god multiversal or not?

>>84709757

Yeah, his job has basically destroyed all semblance of a normal life for him, and he's lost a lot of his most basic ties to humanity.

>>84709780
Even "just" angels exist above and beyond the entire multiverse, and DC God from what I can tell is the true Christian God.

>>84703025
>"Dr Strangefate"
>Is actually Charles Xavier

>>84702987

Yeah. Some of the magic that he uses in Hellblazer is pretty spectacular. Between animating a Nazi Golem to splitting his soul to channeling all of the evil into a baby (that he then dropped off a cliff) to literally snorting Santa Clause's bone meal to absorb his power, John's magic is not something to fuck with or underestimate.

>>84703025
>Dr. Fate is a more appropriate fight for Dr. Strange.
No, Dr. Fate is way more powerful than Dr. Strange. Strange is a sorcerer, Fate is a god. They weren't fused together in the Amalgam universe because they're an even match, it's because they both have Dr. in their name.

>>84710501
>Fate is a god

No he is most definitely not. Never has been. Kent Nelson was a ridiculously powerful wizard in part because of his use of the Helm of Nabu, partly becsuse of his role as an agent of the Lords of Order, and partly because of his own knowledge and skill gained through experience. But he's not anywhere close to god-tier power levels, and I don't think any other person to hold the mantle of Fate has surpassed him on that scale either.

>>84710727

And it looks like he's slowly going mad in the current run.

>>84710727
What are you talking about? Kent isn't Fate. He's the vessel Fate uses, Nabu is Fate. Nabu is a Lord of Order, making him not only a god, but one of the more powerful ones (more powerful than Zeus anyway)

>>84710903

I wouldn't doubt it. Magic in the DCU is a bitch.

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>>84700900
Constantine actually does magic.

Strange does advanced technology.

This is not hard,

>>84710960

Nabu generally can't do shit outside of the helmet though,

>>84710965

It's almost like a cancer in the DCU. Look at Felix Faust, for Christ's sakes. He looks like a magic using Keith Richards.

>>84711009
Only when someone isn't wearing the helmet.

>>84711137

And when someone IS wearing the helmet, we're right back to my original argument here >>84710727

>>84711072

To be fair, Faust is also an idiot who keeps making poor deals with powers that are way out of his league.

A Lord of Order is fucking ridiculously more powerful than some random surgeon that learned magic one day. Strange will never be on Fate's level. That's not even a DC/Marvel power disparity thing either, that's a Ultimate Multiversal Cosmic Being/human power disparity.

>>84710960
Wrong. Fate is Nabu's champion. His avatar if you will, and is only as strong as the host can be.
Fate is as much Nabu as Strange is Agamotto.

>>84711310
Ok, I don't know what run you've been reading (new52, rebirth, whatever), but that's not how Fate usually works.

Normally, Kent (or whoever) puts on the helmet and becomes Dr. Fate. Nabu is Fate. Like he's "possesses" Kent's body and controls him. And he's really really power, he's a god after all. He just can't affect the materiel world without a host. Like, if you're having a conversation with Dr. Fate, you're actually talking to Nabu not Kent.

>>84711426
Nobody is arguing that, but Fate isn't a Lord of Order. Nabu is. Two different, if related, characters.

And the Vishani could trounce Nabu. Thrre versus one, with Nabu being hindered by Chaosfr the lulz, Nabu loses big time.

>>84711488
See
>>84711657

>>84708958
Shuma killed Death. I think that's above even the Spectre, or at least enough to make it an even fight. Don't forget that Shuma can't truly be killed and if he is whoever killed him becomes him.

>>84711349

So, I guess the better comparison is all the friends that John's had who've either gone mad, been killed in a grisly manner or have rotted out from the inside due to magic.

There was Lester who was basically a magic junky, his technomage friend who was absorbed into the Internet and the friend he saved from the devil. Or the other magician who was turned into a rabbit.

>>84711426
Strange isn't "some random surgeon that learned magic," he's the Sorcerer Supreme. It's his job to keep reality from breaking.

>>84700900
>Anything vs The Const
HAHAHHAAHHAHAHHA

>>84709757
Plus magic in Marvel takes forever to truly learn. Instead, you just invoke the name of powerful deities that let you cast the spells through them. It's why early Strange invoked Dormammu, until he learned what that guy is about.

>>84712059

Pretty much, or Zatanna's life story in general.

>>84712237

What happened with her, aside from her dad dying to save the multiverse, having his soul damned to hell and then nullified to protect her from Lobo?

>>84711965
So how does Shuma fight, anyway? Does he just sort of smack things with his tentacles?

>>84712465
Magic

>>84712465

He's a borderline godlike entity. He can warp reality, shift shape and size, attack your mind psychically, project incredible amounts of energy, etc. He once created a voodoo doll of the earth itself and his aura-pressure alone is said to be capable of destroying galaxies. With the amount of energy he has at his disposal if you can think of it he can probably do it.

>>84703025
But Constantine tricked Doctor Strange into doom or death in Futures End.

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>>84705592
>Specter could probably take on the Beyonder, he's literally an aspect of God

He's clearly no match for the BAT GOD though.

>>84709780
Isn't DC God represented as the Presence?
>>84706018
Spectre vs Thelos
Spectre vs Beyonder
Spectre vs Secret Wars Doom

>>84714018
>Isn't DC God represented as the Presence?

Depends on who you ask, but the answer is usually "yes".

>>84713806

Weapon of God, meet Weapon of Darkseid.

>>84705145
>They just make strange rotting vegetationy noises at eachother

>>84702831
And he's the biggest cunt of them all.

>>84703445
That would be neat

>>84713806
Preptime

>>84713806

Those are unconsecrated boots. And you can't hear it, but he's reciting God's Not Great from memory.

>>84702484
That's pretty much not true. He gets people to do shit for him by tricking him. There's no way he could defeat any lord of hell so he stalemated them into letting him keep his soul. He has a little magic but he's not even remotely comparable to zatanna who isn't even one of the best sorcerers of DC.

>>84723189

He's reanimated bodies and split his soul into pieces. He channeled all the residual negative psychic energy in the area, and within himself into a newly formed infant ex nihilo.

Yes, a lot of his shit is bluffing and trickery, but he's got some serious power.

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>>84705716
I'd cream myself

>>84713309
>voodoo doll of the earth itself
I want

>>84700900
Constantine has never faced the likes of Shuma Gorath, so I'll give it to Strange

>>84700900
Doctor Strange wins in an instant, but Constantine somehow ends up with his wallet.

Would Constantine be able to trick Shuma Gorath

>>84711349
Huh, no wonder he ended up in the Constantine show, because he sounds like an unsuccessful Constantine.

Hey /co/
Didn't Constantine tricked Nabu to death in Futures End? If he tricked Nabu then he can trick Strange.

>>84710470
>splitting his soul
Like Mindwarp? Like Negative Man?

>>84724574
He did trick Darkseid into thinking Earth-1 was a barren universe.

>>84726723

I forget the exact circumstances why, because it's been awhile since I read that arc but, I believe he was trying to turn his life around and get away from all the madness that he's surrounded himself with for more than thirty years and split off all the negative shit into a separate entity. It was a Jekyll and Hyde sorta deal, except that what was left after his bad shit was split off was a totally hollow life with no joy or flavor.

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>>84726846

Or the time that he blackmailed fucking GOD.

>Constantine then went on to have a series of adventures and misadventures playing the role of puppet and puppeteer with his signature style and profane sarcasm. He managed to free Astra and every other child in Hell, but at the cost of the First returning to power; also, as part of the scheme, John's worst attributes were given separate existence as "Demon Constantine" which meant he himself could not go to Hell. As part of an attempt to regain his nastier edge, he used Ellie, and this led to her taking out a revenge scheme in 1998 that forced him to turn to the First for help; Ellie ended up in Hell and several of John's oldest friends left him. John, being tired of all this, contacted God. God appears and the two converse in a campfire. John then tells him his reason for contacting Him. He warns God that if his soul is ever sent to Hell, he would easily take over, and do nasty things such as unleashing the demons and locking away Hell so that the damned cannot enter and have no resting place. John blackmails God to do his bidding, and that's to keep his soul away from Hell. God, knowing of John's abilities, does so. But warns him of what will come next.

>Hellblazer 128

>>84701516

is the norn supposed to be a cross between dr fate and tim hunter?

>>84727629
Fate and Harry Potter, more likely.

>>84727749

being dc analogues, tim hunter would make more sense that harry potter would, dont you think?

>>84713806

In the next page, Batman admits that he's astounded that a bat-kick worked on the Spectre.

The Specter replies by telling Batman that he acted like it did because it would make Batman feel better.

>>84726846
post it
please

>>84704977
Ah i was just gonna ask.
Out of curiosity is there some master list of every comic strange has ever appeared in? Or any character for that matter?

>>84700900
I'm tempted to say strange but constantine's whole thing is going up against people better than him in raw power and tricking his way into victory.
Also i want to see a team up more than a fight

>>84730532
I could picture them actually being great as a team. Like not functionally great but amusing. Strange is the classic weird sorcerer in fancy capes and constantine is doing magic in jeans in the streets. They fight and bicker but stranges raw power teams well with consantines under handiness and quick wits.

>>84713754
>>84712211

As of All New All Different, invoking magic takes extreme physical toll on your body. Physical aches and pains, as well as vomiting black stuff. The only way to stop these symptoms is to literally eat gross tasting bugs, slugs, tenticles, and other other demenaional sources off food.

>>84726846
i vividly remember my thoughts while reading that issue

john constintine is about to blast darkseid in the face and this lead up is so well written that im going to be perfectly ok with it despite general dissatisfaction with john using magic for combat in this series.

and then he dident punch him out and it was even better then i anticipated.

>>84723270
as i said up here
>>84702987
it can be hard to tell his exact level of power.

>>84727136
i think some demon finaly managed to lay a proper safe claim to his soul so he sent all the bad stuff down to hell.

and then because it was really only half a soul it did not even get tormented it got to wander hell.

the best part about that whole thing was the way he dirtied his soul again

he seduced a sucubus so he could absorb some of her evil and what not into him if i recall correctly the heartbroken look on her face was incredibly well drawn

>>84727380
oh im almost up to that issue sounds great

only strange i have read is about his first 15 storys in strange tales apparently he has changed a lot since then.

>>84729601
I don't have a digital copy, but it was at the end of the "Constantine" ongoing, right before "Constantine: Hellblazer"

>>84731023

It's much better than a Wikipedia summary will lead you to believe.

how about:

Harry Dresden VS John Constantine

>>84700900

Strange is far and away the better magician. There is no arguing that. But that in no way means Constantine couldn't win. The deciding factor really is how seriously Strange takes John as a threat. If h takes him lightly John will fuck him in the ass as he's done to countless other magicians, demons and Gods that outclass him

>>84732491

They're from different multiverses, so there's no way that Strange would be able to properly gauge John, and John would just see another cunt who takes himself too seriously, in a fancy costume.

>>84732547
yeah johns a funny one with guaging his power
everybody either underestimates or overestimates him probably a quarter of his cons are just him playing chicken with his reputation

>>84730999
not just any succubus, one Constantine had already shafted before.

>>84700900
Constantine vs. The Captain, who win ?

>>84733245
you mean captain marvel
he tricked him into giving up his powers one time but i doubt thats gonna happen again.

>>84733124

Yep. Ellie. And she made him pay dearly for it, too.

>>84732840
>are just him playing chicken with his reputation

His role in the Books of Magic miniseries was hilarious because it was basically just him bluffing his way into everywhere he wasn't supposed to be with Tim Hunter in tow.

>>84733295

I forget what lessons he imparted on Tim, aside from the whole, "Magic ain't that special, but needs to be treated seriously" thing.

>>84733295
i still need to read books of magic (the ongoing that is i have read the original 4 issue mini)

>>84733351
be careful in fairyland
i still say he never technically accepted the gift it was forced on him.

>>84733351

Having a reputation is the greatest magic there is.

>>84733353

The ongoing isn't that great from what I've heard.

>>84733269
No, Nextwave The Captain

>>84733375

That was Dr. Occult's leg of the trip. Constantine showed him around the contemporary magic characters like Zatanna, Doctor Fate and the Spectre.

>>84733295
Not really bluffing cause...most of the beings in the magical world who aren't full on gods or elementals are scared shitless of him.
And for good reason. When the universe is going to end there will be just 5 people left. And someone of his bloodline will be one of those five people.

>>84733400
oh yes your right.

>>84733427

What, no, that was just representing Constantine as part of the archetype of The Fool.

That section of the last book was just representing the Heat Death of the universe as applied to abstract concepts and characterizations. Souls, if you will. All the stories of the universe distilled down into their simplest elemental parts, until even those start evaporating.

>>84733477
i really do feel that was the weakest part of the book.
it was not bad but the others were all better

>>84733477

It can be both, you know. I think it was Gaiman that said that his bloodline is very old, and is a constant source of chaos. Lady Joanna Constantine and all.

>>84733477
Yeah, what was left became sentient metaphors and concepts.

The constant one, the person who is always born of the constantine bloodline, was there.

What does that say?

It could have litterally been ANYONE to play the fool. Joker, Creeper, ANYONE.

Yet they chose constantine.

>>84700900
Strange is on another league than Constantine, Dr. Fate would be a much fair match.

>>84710501
Nabu is a lord order just like the wizard Shazam, they are beings of magic but they are not gods (at least not in pre nu52 dc) they are intermediaries between the gods and mortals.

>>84734525

The Wizard Shazam is neither a Lord of Chaos or Order. He's his own deal.

>>84733543

It's because, of those three, John is actually interesting.

>>84733295
hell his rebirth special was just him bluffing to bide for time.
the way it was resolved was shit but the leadup was pretty good.

i really really hope they dont use john uses a psychic to work out a demons nameagain no amount of good leadup will keep me reading if the endings keep being shit.

still his dcyou run ended amazingly so maybe this was just a temporary stumble

>>84731057

He got a lot more powerful in the Roy Thomas run after Ditko left.

>>84701516
>eye on forehead narrows in disgust and disdain

>>84701516
>>84701601
>>84701625
RIP Sungod. I'd like him in some mini where Marvel's Superman homages meet. Possibly by Ewing.

>>84702732
pre-Secret Wars he was the Great Eye (guru-boss) of multiversal omni-magicians, so I'd wager that not only 616

>>84711426
Jesus are you a troll? Strange battled Inbetweener, Chaos and Order of Marvel universe, hell in classic times he battled Living Tribunal to a momentary halt and Adam Warlock with Infinity Gauntlet. This is AT VERY LEAST enough to put them in a fight with clear conscience

>>84713309
Four of beings alike have scared the shit out of Celestials and Abstracts from 616 that they ran and only Galactus hold the threshold (not against them, mind you, but against their Galactus they have turned into a literal rapetrain) with no hope of winning. And was it not for Death itself bursting the bubble of their former universe, they would've conquered 616 too.

>>84702831
At that point, that character is written with what passes for magic IRL rather than with whatever vague rules exist in some of the capeverse stories.

>>84736618
Did he get more powerful then that other guy who he always had to beat with trickery to stop him killing his master

>>84727380
Heaven and Hell are hell of a mess in DC because of the Vertigo shtick. I Mean, Constantine talks shit about the devil, but fuck me sideways if he'd dare to screw with Morningstar.

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>>84702390
>he's one of the most capable mages in the DC Universe.
He is not. Every mage besides him is way better than him at magic. Even his own sidekicks quickly surpass him. He's a conman who knows a little magic. He should be matched against Mephisto, not Strange.

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This is now a four way fatal.
Strange vs Constantine vs Fate vs Aleph

>>84738544

Oh yeah. To the point that Mordo (the guy you're referring to) was eventually replaced by another villain as his archnemesis.

>>84739956
Hm interesting
I have been meaning to read some more strange i have liked what i have read so far

>>84709757
well, at least he's still a doctor...

>>84740580
But he aparently cant heal a bullet wound.

>>84702626
>REALLY solid
Kill yourself. It's just more Heckblazer.

>>84740048

He also got cucked by Benjamin Franklin at one point.

>>84702880
>iron man is the greatest engineer and hulk is the strongest
First time Banner tried to make a power armor, it was better than Tony's.

>>84702758
Similar to the cost of cocaine.

>>84740822
Say what you will about issues 1-12 but 13 felt just like a classic hellblazer arc resolution.
The censored swearing is really fucking annoying though yeah.

>>84740615

Well, he was a surgeon and his car accident fucked his hands up to the point that he can't reliably control a scalpel anymore. Although oddly enough he never seemed to learn much in the way of healing magic.

>>84738549

Well, yeah. The First really doesn't have that much power, but Lucifer is second only to God Himself.

>>84742778
you'd think that would be one of the first things he does

>>84742778
>he never seemed to learn much in the way of healing magic
Strange loses then.

>>84734486

Dr. Fate wouldn't give John too much difficulty; the hardest part would be separating Nelson or Khalid from the helmet. But he's talked himself through much more difficult situations in the past.

>>84745106

I think he just refocused his life towards different things. Like blowing up demons and non-Euclidean tentacle horrors with torrents of magical energy.

>>84745855
I get that, but being able to heal my hands along with myself and others in long battle swould be a cherry on top?

Strange would win the battle but Constantine will win the war