So our boy Cho is off Wondy.

I can't believe Cho is that petty

Not my boy.

>>84498214
>our boy

>>84498228
But if I can't draw panty shots then what's the use of even drawing?

>>84498214
Rucka is being a whiney baby

>>84498214
That's too bad but I still like both Rucka and Cho

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>>84498242
He's not my boy, guy.

>>84498425
I'm not your guy, buddy.

>>84498282
Cho's just as bad. No one owes him shit. If DC sides with Rucka and is asking him to redo his covers, it's not censorship. He's work-for-hire and is supposed to obey orders or get the boot.

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>>84498214
His covers have her showing too much skin but these don't?

>our boy
fucking hell m8

>>84498567
Censoring variants is retarded. It's a variant. You only buy it if you want to. Are you gonna tell me I can only but the type of apples you want me to buy next?

>>84498619

Yes if I own the damn apple farm.

> I only want to sell red apples from now on.
> But why don't you sell green apples!!

>>84498567
>it's not censorship
DC has no obligation to take Cho's shit, but they are asking for edits of his artwork to cover up skin.

If you're a writer and your employer, says take out that line it's too Liberal, is that censorship?

>>84498743
Of course it isn't censorship. The original product hasn't gone to print. There is no product to be censored, it was never truly finished. He is being asked to make edits, which happens every.single.day.

It is only because of Frank's irrational obsession with TnA that this is a problem for him.

>>84498743
>If you're a writer and your employer, says take out that line it's too Liberal, is that censorship?
No.

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>>84498214
>cheesecake variant covers
Who the fuck cares? We don't know the whole story, and it's not like it's even important. The book is still the same. Nothing of value has been lost.

But go ahead. Let's shriek SJW until we cough up blood because it's totally productive and not at all embarrassing.

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Jenny Frison is replacing him, her art seems pretty decent.

>>84498884
Go to bed Ruka

>>84498914
Source? Looks cool.

>>84498228
>>84498261
Cho went to DC specifically to work on Wondy. If some SJew cunt writer is gonna give him grief about it constantly, then why fucking bother?

>>84498914
because she's a better cover artist.

>>84498228
Really? Are you new to comic or something?

>>84498954

can't handle the bantz

>>84498657
Awesome. Then I will never buy apples from your arbitrary ass.

Who cares, Wondie has been garbage since Azz left.

>>84498228
Yeah.

I sure hope he doesn't constantly draw a reference to this in as many variant covers as he can manage for the next two plus years, or something.

That would be REAL petty.

>>84498657
Why don't you sell green apples?

>>84498998
Stop meming for once in your life and have a real conversation.

>>84498998
this meme is as stale as joe's dick

>>84499021
Azzfags pls

>>84498846
Okay so censorship is only after it's released, so is there a better term for what is happening here?

Someone requesting a change to art to fit with a political agenda before it goes to print.

So is Cho gone from DC now?

>2 threads on literally the exact same thing
Fuck you OP. Use the catalog.

>>84498657
Fine, sell your red apples, but don't throw a bitch fit when I buy green apples from your next door neighbor.

>>84499059
But Azz's WW is the best take on the character in her entire history.

>>84499051
But he was taking this job serious and wasn't doing any OUTRAGE! Stuff with it.

>>84498884
I bought 2 copies of WW for the Cho covers, that's 6 bucks a month DC's not getting from me. At a 50:50 ratio I wonder how many people who are double dipping would be willing to support the variants without Cho, or which cover is moving more units in stores.


obviously you don't buy comics, so the idea of Wonder Woman shedding 10K copies every 2 weeks doesn't bother you especially when it's variant covers that don't affect the story.

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Can you blame Cho?

This is what he turns in-

Ok be honest guys, how many of you were even buying Wonder Woman for Cho's variants anyway? Who the fuck buys variants?

>>84499075
It political filtering. Censor boards do it all the time for television, telling show writers what they can and can't get away with.

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>>84499113

and this is what Rucka allows.

>>84498567
Why use artists at all then? Just have one if those poser tracers give you standard cover #3.

>Cho
Why does /co/ like this hack, but hate other lifeless generic artists like Janin and Jim Lee?

>>84498950
Check the solicit thread

>>84499121
>political filtering
Thanks for the info/help Anon

I'm now slightly less of an idiot.

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>our boy Cho

>our boy

"My boys" don't tend to draw the exact same 'joke' over and over years after the original topic has been forgotten by everyone.

he probably has more of a problem with all of the cho drama than the actual drawing
I mean the last sharp issue was just missing a cheetah nipple and it would've being erotic

>>84498214
fuck cho

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>>84499140
>Janin

>>84499076
he's being shuffled over to Trinity for October.

>>84499157
Than why mess with the drawing.

>>84499140

>tracer tier and always on time art be damned
>comparing either to Cho

>>84498743
Yet when rando sjws bitched about the manara cover and that batgirl variant they were somehow censoring just by complaining.

>>84499140
Because Cho is a manchild(ONE OF US!ONE OF US!ONE OF US!) and he draws big asses and big tits and epic dinosaurs.

>>84499156

>everyone asks you to ape the Milo Manara pose at 'cons
>it's the artist's fault

back to /a/ with you, shitlord

>>84498743
>If you're a writer and your employer, says take out that line it's too Liberal, is that censorship?
No, because my writing is going to go through the employer's channel, and the employer has no obligation to host anything he disagrees with.

I'll be annoyed with the disagreement itself and argue against it if I must, but I'm not entitled enough to think he must host my shit regardless.

>>84499156
People requested that to be drawn, he was paid for it

>>84498214
Why is Rucka such a pussy?

>>84498228
Why is /co/mblr such a pussy?

These covers are pretty conservative for Cho honestly. I normally dislike him but I see nothing wrong with these covers. Of all characters that fit Cho's Amazonian style, WW is definitely one of them. Still surprised DC hired him considering he's a toxic, petty asshole.

>suddendly /co/ hates Cho

Wow, I guess tumblr must be down or something

BUT I THOUGHT DC DIDN'T HAVE SJWS

>>84499178
>Implying Cho doesn't trace the same face and body for everyone.

>>84499203

>and he draws big asses and big tits and epic dinosaurs.

Has this become a problem while i was frozen in ice?

>>84499212
>blah blah back to /wherever/
Every time with these Cho fanboys.
And I didn't specify that the joke was just the Manara pose either so shove off.

>>84499178
I'd take Janin over Cho any day. His layouts are a lot more dynamic and his characters are expressive. Cho has an obsession with that resting bitch face.

>>84499226
>Hating Cho is /co/mblr
>liking Cho is /pol/

>>84499239
some people grow up

>>84499226
The vocal minority of /co/ SJWS has hated Cho ever since "the incident". This sin't new at all.

>>84499228

Show me some obvious trace jobs, like with Land, or some tracer+filter examples, like with Janin.

You are not proving your point, only that you need to go back to /a/, where shitty intern art is the norm.

>>84498657
But Rucka does not own the farm. DC does. It's DC's apples. This situation is actually closer to your retarded son refusing to sell me the green apples you grew because he doesn't like the way they taste.

>>84498214
Whatever. His replacement's the better artist.

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>>84499285

So why are they still reading comics and being against dinosaurs and big tits being in them?

>>84499285
and they didn't grow big tits and asses presumably

>>84499304
Can you name her? What's your favorite work from her? I have a feeling you aren't being sincere and just want to contribute to the shitposting.

>>84499317
What do you think is going on in this thread?

>>84499293
>liking generic Cho art
>telling others to go back to /a/

>>84499255

You were clearly referencing that pose, it is his dead-horse pose. Don't get pissed because I could remember the name.

And again, please point out why the requests of fans are Cho's fault.

>>84499259
>3d poser hack better than Frank Cho
this is some avant-garde level of trolling here.

>>84499339
I would certainly hope guys wouldn't grow big tits and asses.

>>84499381
>Cho
>good
>decent
gud jokes

>>84499203

These are all good things, and if you hate them you are probably an overweight pedophile woman obsessed with Stephen Universe

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>>84499259

All Janin is capable of drawing is faces, he traces literally everything else in his books.

Please, continue defending this.

>>84499075
It's editing. That's... literally what it is.
Cho is doing work for DC here. It's in his contract that he has to make edits to his work where requested to. That's what he agreed to.
There is literally nothing objectionable going on here.

I remember when /co/ actually liked Cho. Now the tumblrites will throw a hissy fit if you even mention him.

>>84499419
are you implying only guys read comic books in the current year

>>84499476
>All Janin is capable of drawing is faces
That's one thing more than Cho is capable of.

>>84499482
Since when was Rucka an editor?

>>84499285
I know that's why are obessed with middle school girls but some of aren't.

>>84498228
>>84499482
But Rucka doesn't have the authority to say what he should do, it isn't his job and Cho isn't working for him.

>>84499106
He's memeing just let him be anon.

>>84499505
It can be seen by even this thread that isn't true.

>>84498228
Some crazy liberal writer hates him and is trying to prevent him from doing his job. Why should he stay?

>>84499508
>>84499527
He isn't. But DC has the authority to get Cho to make the edits that Rucka asks for.
Would it be censorship if the artist for the book drew Wondy in a chainmail bikini and Rucka said "uh, hey man, can you put her in her regular outfit" and DC enforced that?

>>84499075
It's not exactly censorship, it's not like DC introduces a company-wide ban on whatever some retard might find inappropriate. Plus, the whole hurr what is censorship debate

What it is is either Rucka magnifying that shit to see the traces of what passes as Wonder Woman's underwear and getting triggered as fuck, which means he is a legitimately sick man. Or Rucka having some personal beef with Cho and using this as a pretense to shit on him which is pretty pathetic.

>>84498214

Rucka can go fucka himself.

>>84499547
Sure thing buddy.

>>84499505
Post some examples of this "Cho cannot draw" meme you're spouting, I want to see what passes for generic in your book.

>>84499570
>crazy liberal writer

The guy that is the reason people buy the book? Yeah, fuck that guy,, right?

>>84498521
I'm not your buddy, fella.

>>84499371
I was referring to the "he he a stupid sexy thing is happening i'm so edgy and provocative for pissing off teenage girls on the internet" "LE OUTRAGE" covers he does.

I don't give a molecule of a dick if he gets millions of dollars being stale, he's still stale.

>>84499677
...Yes?
He's acting like an asshole for no reason. So fuck that guy.

>>84499657
If you seriously think Cho isn't generic then you're fucking dumb. fucking house style babies, if you want to fap looking at drawings then go ahead, but don't try to pas it off as "art"

>>84498743
It's not DC. It's Rucka. It's just Rucka. And Rucka goes back and forth on what he's asking.

Read the story before fucking commenting you fucking waste of air.

>>84499347
Jenny Frison's great, mate. Why are you so defensive? Cho's okay but I wouldn't cry about losing him.

>>84499723
Yeah except he isn't generic. He has his own style thats pretty instantly recognizable next today other artists. Not sure where their generic thing even comes from.

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This was the recent Batman variant by Tim Sale. Compare it to the generic cover of wondie posing by Cho. Wouldn't even call it as a great cover, but it's a hundred times more creative than Cho.

>>84499723

I thought 12 year olds weren't allowed to post on 4chan.

>>84499723
I agree, Cho lacks this quirkiness and individual style that separates true sequential art from generic fap material for pissbabies.

>>84499677
>the reason people buy the book?
People buy it for the name, Wonder Woman is iconic.

Who the fuck is buying it because Rucka is on it?

>>84499812
>This isn't a great cover
Opinion discarded

>>84499130
Soooo, they are 4kids?

>>84499841

You're so utterly full of shit.

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>>84499841
>Replying to your own post

>>84498228
As an artist I can tell you right now that not wanting to deal with a bad client isn't pettiness, it's just choosing to spend your time on work you enjoy and can take pride in.

>>84499579
That's not what happened at all though, what's the point of asking what if he did something completely different that clashed with the book and character, how is that any kind of comparison to this? He drew an on model version of her with nothing inappropriate, well drawn and true to the character, but still got shit for it from that guy.
Cho did nothing wrong and Rucka still bitched and tried overstepping his authority just to be petty for personal reasons.
Cho didn't want any of it so he left.

>>84499853
It's really good, but there have been better covers from Tim.

>>84499812
I'm not sure what your parameters are for quality comic covers, but Tim Sale is garbage, through and through. Cho's humans actually look human and capture the eye in a way Sale could never hope to imitate.

>>84499812
Why is everyone but Harley drawn classic style?

>>84499812

>Cho is generic

And let me guess, Darwyn Cooke was and Doc Sharner is just apeing Tim Sale, am I right?

I don't think Cho's art is that special and I agree with publishers demanding whatever they want from the writers/artists (since it's work for hire), but those covers he did are pretty damn tame for him.

Seriously, Wondy's had way more provocative covers and the interior art is also pretty cheesecake-y, so what's the problem?

>>84499848
You honestly think people pick up WW just because of the name?

That is her biggest problem. She should be a big name, but only a select few writers manage to avoid royally screwing up when trying to write a book for her.

WW is defined by a select few good runs, and everything else is trash. So yeah, if you get Rucka, you keep Rucka.

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>>84499874
But it's true.
True art makes you want to think, not fap. Pic related.

>>84499938
>Tim Sale is garbage
Off yourself

>>84499848
>Who the fuck is buying it because Rucka is on it?

Admit that you're new to comics.

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> our boy

> implying anyone on 4chan would suppose those people

> you know, monkeys

>>84498214
nice to know that at least somebody in comcis still has passion for something else then just pushing sjw shit and other left wing propaganda

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>>84499938

>Tim Sale is garbage

>>84499505
Cho can't draw, not even faces? Really?
You know that's not true.

>>84499977
Modern people are the problem. They just want something to be offended at.

>>84498214
>Man I can't believe Rucka could be this fucking petty.
Literally the first thing he did when Rebirth started was do an issue where Diana pretty much goes "Fuck all that stuff that just happened. It doesn't count."

So yes. He absolutely is that petty.

>>84499829
Apparently they are. Just look at how many fans Cho has.

>>84499938
>Look human
>This is what Chofags believe
So now Jim Lee, EVS, Finch are better artists than Quitely and Miller?

>>84499938
Cho fans confirmed for 12 year old with shit taste.

>>84500045
Cho's do look human. You going to bitch about Minara next you little bitch?

>>84499970
Nice projecting.

>>84499977
Rucka is a huge manbaby and hated Cho from the start.

>>84499723
>you only want to fap to it!
Hello femanon.

>>84499812
that looks like shit

>>84500045
>Quitely
No wonder you faggots don't like Cho. You're obsessed with potato people. Fucking kill yourself.

>>84500093
There's seriously no other reason to look at Cho's drawings.

>>84498657
Whatever, faggot, I like yellow apples best anyway.

>>84499955

because the rest still generally look like they're classic versions.

>>84500102
Jesus Christ, /co/ has the most pleb taste in art.

Quitely does fucking amazing paneling and action, but you fags wouldn't know about that since all you care about are pretty faces. Or maybe it's because you don't even read comics.

>>84500081

Oh man, great way to dodge the question!

I'll keep that one in mind next time I go out shitposting.

>>84500128
What? They look good and I wouldn't fap to such softcore stuff.

>>84500045
Personal taste, really.

All of them are technically competent. I don't like Van Scriver's and Quitely's art equally, but seeing it doesn't make me want to puke.

Also, both Miller and Lee are special cases.

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>>84500102
Wew lad

>>84499980

If Cho's art makes you want to fap then you're clearly not getting any 3d action.

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>>84500128
I save Cho's drawings for reference on how to draw musculature.
And apes, because gorillas are hard to draw.
And dinosaurs, because dinosaurs are just cool.

So there's three other reasons but who cares boobs exist somewhere in the world better get offended.

>all the whiny tumblrcunts in this thread

>>84500128

What colour have you dyed your hair?

>>84500222
>Using art as anatomical reference
You're doing it wrong.

>>84499303
That's a dam good analogy

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>Both threads over a 150 post

>>84498214
Man, looking at this art... what the hell is Rucka's problem with it?

It shows off exactly the amount of flesh that is normal for WW. Her poses are fine. There's nothing wrong with any of it.

>>84500222
Cho gets a lot of shit in /co/mblr circles, but he is a very proficient illustrator.

He knows his shit, it's just he is mostly known for tits and asses. But if I could mingle with cosplay sluts while drawing cheesecake for money instead of slaving away at some editorial-assigned capeshit, I'd take the former without hesitation.

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Rucka probably saw this commission online a while back and vowed vengeance then and there.

>>84500326
Well, Cho said that Rucka hated him from the beginning. It was probably just an excuse.

>>84500407
Ruka is a piece of shit

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>>84500266
>Not looking at how other people draw things to get some reference for ways to highlight and emphasize things properly without making it an overdrawn mess

>tfw we can't have sexy women in comics anymore

>>84500479
This.
Although using comic book art to learn anatomy is a bad idea, looking at it or even tracing good artwork can teach you a lot about line weights and other things that make an anatomically sound drawing look not just correct, but also compelling.

>>84500578
>that supergirl

Every time. So sexy.

>>84498214
How the fuck do you not see Cho as being petty? He is literally throwing a temper tantrum at the time of the interview. He acts like a fucking child and people treat him like a hero just because he draws decent cheesecake.

>>84500720
When you will stop samefagging?

>>84500720
Its not even about Cho its the precedent. This is the 2nd variant cover that has been pulled now because the writer didn't want them. Allowing the writer to censor what the consumer is allowed to purchase, especially with variants which are not the actual cover and have to be specially ordered, is not only unAmerican it goes against everything that capitalism and freedom of expression stands for.

>>84500720
Cho lacks tact. He's clearly not perfect and no one is implying he is. But Cho's only expressing his grievance with Rucka, when Cho was ASKED about it.

>>84499938
>Tim Sale is garbage

You have to go back.

>>84500754
Except it's not DC you retard. DC doesn't care, its the writer. Just like with the Batgirl cover variant where DC issued a statement saying they did not support or codone the pulling of it but the artist requested it so they did.

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>>84500721
I wish you were dead.

>>84500754
Pretty much it is Rucka that is at fault here. DC did nothing, Rucka got picky to Cho, and he asked you to be put on other book by DC. The accepted. End.

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>>84500266
>>84500479
>>84500620
I never said it was my *only* reference tool. In fact, most of my "muscle" folder is photos.

>>84498743
Is it censorship? Yes.

Is it expected when you do work for hire to make the changes the people who pay you want? Yes.

When you are making an artistic work on someone else's dime, you put up with them wanting you to make changes, or you stop taking their dimes. Simple choice. But it is censorship. Is it illegal? No, because it is work for hire.

>>84500816
What shitty art

>>84498567
>No one owes him shit

no shit, he isn't asking for anything, he just quit cause it wasn't the job he thought it was. you think he shouldn't be allowed to quit?

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>>84498600

Notice how the tumblrinas don't have a response to this one.

They just want to complain. Just ignore them. Every shitstorm like this just gives them more power over a medium they don't even partake in.

>>84500816
I said good work.

>>84500898
I just realized my shit post is going to be taken seriously

>>84500819
>DC did nothing
And that's the problem.

>getting this triggered over a panty shot

He's hired to draw for a company.
He draws covers and the company edit his artwork in the final product.
He was unhappy so he left.

Should be the end of the story. Now this going to be a 'thing'. There's already people all over twitter jumping down people's throats for no reason and screaming ARCHIVE EVERYTHING.

Imagine wasting this much energy on nothing. As long is Cho is paid for his work there's no significant issue. What do people want to happen? Make it so a company can't edit the work they pay you for? That'd be a can of worms.

>>84499303
this is 100% correct, Rucka is getting his balls squeezed by SJWs and its the only action his balls ever see.

>>84500927
Shit taste

>>84500940
>DC should support a variant cover artist over a writer they brought back specially to write the WW book.
>Muh workers.
are you a commie or something? You're probably a Mouseketeer, so you definitely are.

>>84500768
Not sure if bait or actual retardation.

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>>84499745
>Jenny Frison's great

>>84500913
Doesn't Rucka have more power now than he did back then? People change their opinions all the time anyway. Who the fuck knows.

>>84501039
Ewww

>>84500984
I think that people are more mad for Rucka being an asshole that uses his personal dislikes to be a dick on a position that he shouldn' have a say.

Reading the interview, it seems to be the bigger issue according to Cho.

>>84501035
>the tumblrite thinks thats bait

How are you dense are you that you don't understand that its not okay to tell the consumer what they can or cannot buy? It's not the cover, it's a variant. It's something you have to request. Itd be like a vendor selling different color shirts but the store worker only likes blue so he won't sell the other colors to anyone. Are you from some shithole? Here in America that is highly frowned upon. It's called freedom of choice.

I think it's funny how Cho should suck it up because he got hired to do a job but this whole thing is in response to Rucka throwing a tantrum and saying "If I don't get my way 100% of the time I'll quit my job".

DC if you're listening I'll write Wonder Woman for you. I promise not to rock the boat.

>>84501103
Nigger, are you retarded. DC as a company has the absolute control over what they sell. They don't want to interfere and lose Rucka. It's absolutely their decision who they want to support and whom to cut lose. Saying otherwise is against the free market.

It's hilarious how Marvelfags shitpost here, but never bring up Nick Spencer trying to oust Cho for the differences in their politics.

>>84500877
>Is it censorship? Yes.
No, it isn't. You're only saying this because you think it makes your post ring of "somewhere in the middle" wisdom but you're actually just retarded.

>>84501236
Exactly dumbass. It'd be like telling your customers they can't buy something cause one of the people that made the item don't like the color the person painted it. Its a bad fucking precedent to set and not at all in line with America, the greatest country in the world's ideals.

>>84501283
Say what now? When was this?

>>84501318
You're either mentally stunted or just underage.

>>84498214
Is Cho OUTRAGED?

>>84499527
The problem DC has is they only just made nice with Rucka again and don't want to piss him off.

I hope Frank decides to go back to doing more work for Marvel after this shit-show. His work on T.A. Hulk was fucking excellent. And he'd get to draw all the babes and dinosaurs he wants!

Can you believe he didn't get to draw Wondy with a dinosaur because I would kill someone in front of their own mother for that kind of variant.

>>84501387
Kek elaborate please. This isnt DC saying eh that doesnt fall in line with what we want, its the writer saying I DONT WANT ANYONE LOOKING AT THAT YOU CANT SELL THAT OR I QUIT. Its man child behavior and censorship that is taking away the consumer's choice to purchase the product. In retard landwhale world that may be the norm but in the real world that is not looked favorably upon by anyone.

>>84501103
Actual retardation it is. You do understand that Wal-mart consciously decides what kinds of cheetos they stock and let you purchase, right? NO business is obligated to produce or provide you with fucking anything, THEY get to pick and choose.

If DC doesn't want to sell something for any reason, they don't have to, and that's their right as a company. This has nothing to do with America or the free market, you goddamned mongoloid.

>>84501468
Both an excellent and original meme, m'anon.

>>84500326
>what the hell is Rucka's problem with it?
>believing Cho is telling the whole story
you'd think people would learn not to take everything creators say as gospel after Mark Waid was threw a fit before finding out he was wrong just yesterday.

>>84499107
>buying a comic for the cover

>>84501509
See >>84501499
It's not DC you dumb fuck

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>>84501468
Rucka said to Cho:
>HOW YOU DARE DRAWING MY WAIFU IN A WAY THAT I DON'T LIKE? I WILL QUIT THIS COMPANY IF YOU DON'T CHANGE IT!

So Cho just changed the book tgat he is drawing for.

>>84501499
>This isnt DC saying eh that doesnt fall in line with what we want, its the writer saying I DONT WANT ANYONE LOOKING AT THAT YOU CANT SELL THAT OR I QUIT.
Cho is the one who threw a tantrum over a cropped image and quit, do you even know what fucking happened or are you just slapping the keyboard as hard as possible because your handler left the room?

It doesn't matter if DC said they didn't like it directly or if they backed someone else who didn't like it for a stupid reason, they own the works created and have the right to change them, end of fucking story.

>>84498600
not their panties

>>84500578
Those dead Liefeld eyes.

>>84501545
But Frank Cho sticks it to the SJW and Feminazis like he's one of us plebs. Surely he's a victim of the matriarchy!

>>84501591
I'd be totally happy to hear Rucka's side of the story if he were giving it instead of just blocking people.

>>84501591
I'm not saying DC can't do it, but their reason for doing it is in very poor taste and extremely frowned upon from a consumer perspective. That's a fact. Whether you agree with Cho or Rucka's viewpoints has no bearing on it being wrong from a consumer standpoint. You'd know that if you've ever taken even an entry level business course.

>>84501753
Yeah, he owes /co/ an explanation.
.................................................

You shouldn't be allowed to post on this site until you've lurked for 6 months. Half of these fat whales would have gotten so upset they would have just quit the site.

>>84501765
>it is in very poor taste and extremely frowned upon from a consumer perspective
This is Gamergate level of nerd whining.

If you put both threads together it would be past the bump limit. Delete one mods.

>>84501794
Who's upset now?

>>84501825
>using the term nerd unironically

Wew lad you have to go back

>>84501283
What? Do you mean Edmonson?

>>84501792

Tone is difficult over the internet, so you're being sarcastic to the other post, yes?

>>84501909
Yes.

>commission artist for work
>edit piece of art that you now own
>"CENSORSHIP!!! CENSORSHIIIIIIP"

And here I thought tumblr had a monopoly on bullshit outrage culture. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em huh?

>>84501591
>Cho was the one who threw a tantrum

Fucking kek, it wasn't he that said that he would quit the companhia if the variant of his fetish waifu wasn't exactly like he wanted.

Manlets, when will they learn.

>>84501959
Actually, it was this >>84501577

Read the articole before posting sis.

>>84501547
B-but the Uncanny X-Force #11 Mark Brooks cover is the fucking bestest ever.

Sounds like Rucka had a personal beef with Cho being on the book and decided to make his life hell by throwing a fit over everything until something finally stuck.

The crop on issue 3's cover now makes it look like she's not wearing underwear at all. So...good job?

When did writers at DC get so much say-so over variant covers?
The whole "they don't reflect the tone" stance is ridiculous considering the very nature of the covers.
And in this case, the interiors are far more racier than the alternate's so it rally boils down to a personal issue between the two.

Oh well, it's ultimately DC's loss. It's not like Cho needs the money or can't find work somewhere else.

He's clearly a draw and even "PUSH COMICS FOWARD" BOOM! Studios knows that.

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>>84502072
Forgot image

>>84502103
Why the fuck would you assume Cho is telling the complete truth? Of course he's going to say something that paints him as the poor innocent victim.

>>84502052
H-he got outraged first!

>>84502103
>make his life hell
Rucka totally raped Cho.
Call the Rolling Stone!

>>84502220
Rucka has "declined to comment" so what else do we have to go with?

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>>84499130
>>84499113
Behold this painstakingly poor Dramatization of the final offending cover

>>84502398
It's really important that we know the truth.

>>84502220
Do you not know Greg Rucka's history with the big two? The dude throws tantrums until he gets his way or he walks and vows to never work for either company ever again. He then says he has an indie book which is gonna be BIG and then it goes nowhere and he returns to Marvel or DC. This is what he does.

This time, it was Cho who walked before Ruka exploded and caused another one of his scenes.

>>84502398
Maybe Rucka is just acting like an actual professional or maybe DC have told him not to say anything.

>>84499908
/thread

>>84502440
So they're both huge drama queen faggots.

>>84498214
An artist's job on comic books is to fucking draw and shut the fuck up. You're not marketing the character and you're not writing the story. You couldn't sneak in a pantyshot, boo fucking hoo. Grow the fuck up.

>>84502422
I would have never noticed/thought it was her traditional bathing suit trunks

>>84502440
Probably at DC's request too. Cho is the bigger man

>>84502440
>acting like Cho is being the grown up here
>after he went and bitched about private business matters online
Sounds like Cho's the one throwing a tantrum.

>>84502422
SPOIL THAT SHIT!!

>>84499908
As a professional comic artist who's worked in advertising I can tell you Cho wouldn't last outside of comics with a prima dona attitude like that. (neither would Rucka)

>>84502537
Did you read the article?

>>84501765
>Business course
I can tell you haven't, since in a business you support profits not worker rights.

>>84502590
But Cho is extremelly suceful in his things outside of big 2. He has a suceful comic strip, art books and get payed thousands of dollars on comissions :^)

>>84501561
It is dc. Editorial has final say it's up to them to decide.

>>84502651

But that's still comics anon.

>>84502440
I don't know how he's in person or in office, but in media he's definitely more respectable than people like Waid, Slott, Quesada, Spencer, even Cho and a lot of comic creators. Even his rant on big two was a lot professional.

>>84502517
Or maybe he knows he doesn't have a leg to stand on and doesn't want to draw any more attention to it?

>>84502433
The "truth" is pretty much right there. Cho has nothing to gain by lying here.
He didn't get fired, he CHOSE to leave.

You can see for yourself that issue 3's cover is cropped.

What could/would Rucka say anyways? He could deny it ever happened, which I don't see happening.

Or he can confirm it and spin his side of it and try to justify his reasoning, but the art itself shows that there's really nothing there to get worked up over.

>>84502713
Cho isn't even out, he went to Trinity, where he can draw Wonder Woman the way that he wants without Ruckas's faggotory.

>>84502707
From what I understand, he lose his shit behind the scenes and is a real pain in the ass. I wish more comic books pros would take note and just shut the fuck up and keep "drama" and backroom politics where they belong. Lord knows in the era of Jim Shooter you'd get his 10 inch hog down your throat of you made anything public.

Thinking about it. EiC's and Editors need to stop being so fucking friendly with those that work for them.

>>84502601
Yes, it reads like a gold digger looking for alimony that has never been told no in her life. If Cho can't fucking cooperate that's on him. If he wants uncensored art he can go back to commissioning smut on deviantart. DC comics isn't his personal public forum.

>>84502792
Yeah fuck artistic expression! Get in line with the company style and just trace some poser shit...that's pretty inoffensive.

>>84502764
>he went to Trinity
Since when?

>>84502764
Good to hear

Cho's professional status was never really in any danger anyways. He can pick and choose his projects and clearly loves Wonder Woman so at least he can still work on her in some capacity.

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>>84502839
He's free to artistic express himself into learning what a fucking job is.

>>84502764
>Cho isn't even out, he went to Trinity
DC should completely fire his ass for being this unprofessional. He should be thankful Ruck and/or DC don't sue his ass.

>>84499812
>a hundred times more creative than Cho.
no, not really

>>84502792
Actually, the motivation was a personal vendetta of the writter, that would not even have a say on what can go on the variant cover, but said writter threw a hissy fit over it and said that he would quit. If you know about Rucka, you would be aware that he is a huge faggot that does this kind of thing all the time and is very petty over everything related to WW - hell, you can even see it on his comics.

Cho just asked to work on a different book without having to deal with a faggot that has a personal vendetta agaisnt him.

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>>84502922
or extremelly stupid

>>84502770
>From what I understand, he lose his shit behind the scenes and is a real pain in the ass.

This sounds like some shit you just made up with no source/proof to back it. Stop believing everything you read on /co/.

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I'M JUST GOING TO REMIND YOU GUYS THAT THIS LITTLE CONTROVERSY WILL HELP RAISE THE SALES OF WONDER WOMAN NEW COMICS AND, PROBABLY, THE TRINITY BOOK.

Sorry Rucka is just a faggot. He's got talent but he acts like a faggot.

The image didn't need alteration. There was no reason for him to throw a bitfit to have something An artist created chopped to his liking because he wants to be pussy about it.

Go fig the guy who pissed away all the continuity laid down by writers before him cos he had to have it his way, yet again shows how much of a self absorbed brat he is.

>>84503025
>muh amazon murder rapes!

>>84502939

sounds like you a vendetta against Rucka.

>>84502939
Right because it was Rucka that went bleedingcool for a smear article against Cho.

>>84503049
Because it didn't suit your view? Cho is pretty much everything that Rucka hate.

>>84502939
At least Rucka is grown up enough to do this kind of shit behind closed doors. Cho's being a fucking baby.

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>>84503081
Cho didn't contacted them. This is not how articles are selected, he has to be aproached by THEM.

Seriously, you don't know how these things work and is just making shit up?

>>84499168

Doesn't he, like, DESPISE Superman? That's kinda funny.

>>84503166
There's people who hate Superman?
I find that hard to believe.

>>84503127
Why he can't say the truth when he is asked on an interview? And what is "grow up" about that behavior of a flaming fetishist (way worse than Cho)?

>Two threads about this drama
Never change /co/

>>84503208
Oh right, I forgot that Hucka turn every women that he writte into a lesbian.

Doesn't he says that he is also a male lesbian unironically?

>>84503124

It has nothing to do with my view which fair and impartial btw senpai, it's just that you clamied that Rucka was faggot, had a hissy fit and is petty. From all the interviews I've listened to, Rucka seems alright and passionate, his reasons from leaving Marvel and DC seemed understandable and fair.

inb4 im rucka or im a cuck or tumblr.

>>84498214
>our boy Cho

>>84503163
>This is not how articles are selected, he has to be aproached by THEM.
>Seriously, you don't know how these things work

>Implying people never break the rules
>Implying Cho didn't want to try and look like the poor completely innocent victim
Even if Cho didn't contact BC (which he fucking did) if he was an adult/professional he would've said no comment.

>>84503208
>Why he can't say the truth when he is asked on an interview?

Because he shouldn't have to, Cho shouldn't have said anything in the first place, a professional would've said nothing or said he left amicably to work on other projects.

>>84503163
And instead of being an adult when Rich Johnston asked him what's up he chose to throw a bitchfit. Writers conflict with artists all the time. You think John Byrne and Chris Claremont never had pissing matches over Bryne trying to stick his pedophilia into stories? Of course they did, they still did their fucking jobs for 10+ years.

>>84503320
>>84503323
I love how "professional" seems to mean "take whatever bullshit is thrown at you without complaining about it ever no matter what."

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>>84503320
>>84503323
For you sis.

>>84503208
>Why he can't say the truth when he is asked on an interview?
Because that's not what happened. He obviously went to BC with the story. Even if he did just so happened to be asked about it by some miracle chance then he should've been a fucking professional and said no comment and that he's looking forward to working on Trinity. That's what someone who isn't a giant man-child would've done.

>>84503355
That's exactly that being professional is. Unless something grossly inappropriate or illegal went on you make a formal complaint privately. You don't air this shit in public.

>>84503323
>A professionally would have outright lied so I wouldn't have to be subjected to conflict

Cho's inclusion on the project was very public. Everyone knew he was contracted for 12 covers.

There's no way for him to leave halfway through without raising some flags.

>>84499723
>Generic

Please stop using words you don't know the meaning of.

>>84503410

he could have just said "creative differences" and leave it like that.

>>84503407
Then the same shit that you're mad about keeps on happening without end. Staying quiet benefits nobody but the people who are causing the problem.

>>84503355
It's always non-professionals trying to dictate what's considered professional or not, isn't it?

What it really boils down to is "I don't like reading about mommy and daddy fighting".

>>84503373

I honestly don't understand how I'm butthurt, I'm trying to have a conversation and in response I'm told I'm butthurt. How? Why?

>Modern DC

>>84503439
He essentially did and he elaborated.

Why are you upset? Is it that you like Rucka and don't want to believe what Cho is saying or are you just that averse to conflict among people that aren't you?

>>84503441
You know what shouting your problem in the street gets you? Fired.

>>84503410
>Rucka should now come out and publicly give hsi side of events
>Cho will then respond
>then Rucka
and so on. They shouldn't act like fucking children and fight in public. Cho has official channels he can go through at DC if he's unhappy with what went on, or maybe he could be a fucking man and talk it out with Rucka.

>>84503450

>mutiple ppl that disagree/have different opinions than me
>obviously a samefag

>>84503493
Kek, Cho get to still draw Wonder Woman without Rucka bitching now.

And now Rucka has an even worse image that he had due to the not so loved changes that he has being writting.

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>>84503450

>>84503491
>He essentially did and he elaborated.
He did no such fucking thing. He walking straight up and tipped all the dirty laundry over the counter. That's not what an adult does.

>>84503493
Given that he quit doing the covers there, I don't think that's really much of a problem.

>>84503518
If it's come to this, I'd assume that he already went through the official private channels and got shot down.

>>84503532
He also has to draw Superman who he hates.

>>84503520
Keep trying sis.

>>84503561
Source on this? Anyway, its work and he choose it.

Everyone is fine, but Rucka doesn't have that much of a good image now.

>>84499025
He gets commissioned to do those and the money goes to charity.

>>84503550
and airing this shit in public is going to fix what? All it's done is show DC that's he's incredibly unprofessional.

>>84502422
FUCKING LEWD AS SHIT ANON JESUS THERE ARE CHILDREN HERE HOLY FUCK

>>84503585
Yeah because some manchild chink got his jobless dick riders to hate him his image is just in shreds now.

>>84503532

Cho has worst image as well, have you read twitter or tumblr or reddit? They buy comics, most people on /co/ don't.

>>84503603
It shows that Rucka's bullshit is the specific reason why he quit doing the alternate covers, and personally it's thrown the image I had of him as a pretty cool guy right into the shitter.

On the other hand, Cho is already VERY well-known for his hatred of censorship in any form so his quitting over such a matter isn't very hard to believe.

>>84503585
http://comicsalliance.com/frank-cho-hates-superman/

>One day the impossible happened, I was bored and I had some free time and Hawaiian Dave gave me a big wad of cash. On top of that, he told me that I can draw whatever I desire as long as Batman and Superman is in it… Since I hated Superman so much, the only logical conclusion was to do the scene in the Frank Miller’s masterpiece “The Dark Knight Returns” where the old Batman comes out of retirement and beat the s**t out of Superman. And off I went.

>I think Superman is a boring and moronically simple character. From his Kryptonite weakness to his silly disguise with the eyeglasses, Superman is an ill-conceived character. Just because he’s the first superhero doesn’t mean he’s a good character. And don’t get me started on him crying on every other comic book cover.

>>84503518
He did go through those channels, obviously. It's all there in his statement.
You don't know what he did or didn't say to Rucka. Maybe he tried and Rucka didn't want to work it out or even talk to him?

My question is: Since when did WFH writers for Big 2 comic companies get so much power over marketing and artists they're not working with?

Rucka's not an artist so he has no business telling an artist he's not directly working with how to do their job.

That's an editor's job.
And according to Cho, the editors were all happy with the job he was doing, which is pretty clear by looking at the process art we've seen so far on Cho's instagram and site.

Not even going to debate about the art itself here, but the variant covers are not necessarily supposed to reflect the tone of the book. That's what the main covers are for. The Variants are additional material created to entice collectors so comic shops up their orders and book sells more copies.

We already went through this with the Joker 75th Anniversary variant of Batgirl.

It was stupid then, and I think it's stupid now.

>>84503630
Are there seriously people that see Cho in the wrong here or is this top quality bait?

>>84503585
Hell, it isn't even new. Rucka has being in decline for quite some time over other stupid shit that he has being doing.

>>84503630
Stay mad :^)

>>84503596
The stupid OUTRAGE "jokes" are not part of the commission.

>>84503699
They literally are.

>>84501891
That was Kot, not Spencer

>>84503674
I forgot how shit his taste is

>>84503648
>caring about fucking tumblr opinion

Geez dude, being hated by tumblr is a fucking amazing thing actually.

He still can choose his works among the Big 2, so the opinion of some SJWs is irrelevant.

>>84503681

Cho is wrong. Some people disagree with you, grow up senpai.

>>84503739
Is tumblr your trigger word? You're missing out on good porn man.

>>84503748
Cho is right. Some people disagree with you, grow up senpai.

>>84503671
This post is the reason Cho acted like a child and went public what should have been kept private. He comes out looking like the poor innocent victim of the censorship loving sjw's.

Why the fuck would you think Cho's incredibly self-serving article is the whole truth?

>>84503748
>Some people disagree with you,
A troll, and one extremely angry self hating cuckold.

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>>84503680
>>84503739
75% is ironic shitposting.

The rest is white knights right from tumblr.

>>84502563

>private business matters

When Cho quit, people are going to want to know why. Rather than let speculation and gossip rule the day and possibly cause serious trouble between him and DC, Cho went and told his side of the story. He made sure to note that everyone else at DC was great, he would love to work with them again in the future, and that his sole issue was with Rucka. He didn't burn any bridges.

>>84503407

I would argue that going out of your way and going beyond your job's limits to sabotage the variant cover artist over a personal vendetta is grossly inappropriate. What Rucka did was horribly unprofessional and Cho is right to call him out on it.

>>84503648

gr8 b8 m8 i r8 it an 8

>>84503794
>Why the fuck would you think Cho's incredibly self-serving article is the whole truth?
I have been given literally no reason thus far to believe that he lied about any of this.

>>84503739
>Geez dude, being hated by tumblr is a fucking amazing thing actually.

No it's not, most artist and writers nowadays and especially in the future will have a tumblr. It's a social networking site to pimp your wares, you gonna shit on twitter next?

>>84503764
I'm actually a porn artist there. But I don't care about the opinion of the kind of people who complain there, if I cared I wouldn't even be drawing what I like to draw.

>>84503823

he could've just stopped doing covers and no one probably would've noticed?

Like what generally happens to variant covers?

>>84503260
>I female-identify, and I always have since I was very young. I am not transgendered; I’m not looking for gender reassignment. I clearly have more testosterone flowing through me than most men need, and you can tell just by looking at me. I’m comfortable with my maleness, but for whatever reason the way I’m wired, I have always female-identified.

> I tend to see – socially, I don’t tend to be myself in a male role. I don’t know any other way to put it. Now that being a separate issue, because that’s not an issue of writing, that is an issue of identity… And I think people, we identify however we identify. I’m a Caucasian American Jew. These are all things that make up who I am. That goes to the second half of the question, which is — I believe, for me, all writing comes from character. Character is made up of a variety of different things. One of those elements is gender. We live in a gendered society, and all you have to do is ask any woman here what her experience walking down a empty street at 3 in the morning is like, and then ask any guy. And you’re gonna get different responses. There’s a different implicit threat. That’s a societal problem.

>As a storyteller the goal is to entertain and tell a story, but I believe in art. And I believe that when you are creating stories you are an artist and there are responsibilities with that. And you can try to ignore them all you like, but the fact of the matter is if you are putting out work into the world, you are providing a view of the world. And offering an interpretation of the world no matter how fictitious it is. And for a work to not respect the diversity of the world is problematic. Because we live in a very diverse world. And therefore one of the writers jobs is to grants respect to those experiences. If you do not know something you should find out enough to write it.

>>84503680
>He did go through those channels, obviously. It's all there in his statement
No it's fucking not. That statement is literally nothing more than Cho trying the play the victim.
>EVERYONE loves my Wonder Woman covers and wants me to stay.
>it's only mean old Greg that wants me gone
>Greg Rucka has been trying to alter and censor my artwork since day one.
Not only is Cho an unprofessional baby but he's also pretentious and pandering as fuck

>>84503825

And you literally have no reason to believe him either.

>>84503859
People would have noticed.

His 12 issue stint for variant covers on Wonder Woman was very publicized.

>>84503827
>No it's not,

Yes it is, and you can see it even by profissionals like Hirch or Ian calling out the bulshit that happens there.

Its good to be hated by a place with a mentalitty way more toxic than this site, and that try to harass and drive to suicide people who drawed a character too skinny.

>>84503825
So that he seems like the good guy.

>>84500266
says the person who's draws as well as a 4th grader.

>>84503870
>>I female-identify, and I always have since I was very young. I am not transgendered

My dick inglês god, this is patethic.

Just say that lesbians is your fetish Rucka.

>>84503890
>And you literally have no reason to believe him either.

>>84499113
>>84499130
These are direct evidence of Cho's claims. In what way are they not reasons to believe him?

>>84503883
The statement is literally "I left, here's why. Don't worry, the DC editors and all were very cool."

He had a problem with Rucka, he left.
Gossip site wanted to know why, he told them.

You're one of those people that doesn't like to read about behind the scenes conflicts and wants to pretend that everything is okay always no matter what.

Oh well!

>>84503823
>Cho went and told his side of the story
Which is exactly what makes him unprofessional. A professional would've just said they had "creative differences" and leave it at that.

>>84503870

Why do you keep posting this?

>>84503925
They're direct evidence that Cho can't handle working for committee.

>>84503674
I see, it all makes sense now.

The people bitching about Cho are your usual Superfags.

>>84503952
To trigger you

>>84503952
Not him.

But I just learned that Rucka is even more of a faggot now.

Probably is unstable.

>>84503931
>Gossip site wanted to know why, he told them.
Which makes him unprofessional.
>Gossip site wanted Greg Rucka's side of the story
>Greg Rucka declined to comment.
because he's being professional about it.

You think DC are doing to thank Cho for saying
>DC editors and all were very cool
No fucking way. They're gonna be pissed he went public with what should be private.

>>84503952

Rucka said it.

>>84503980
But it's not the committee. The committee is fine with it. It's one other guy on the side that's also working for the committee, sitting there flinging his shit around because he doesn't like it

>>84503952
Ad Hominems are the last arguments of children.

>>84498214
gotta keep Rucka happy and not piss him off and lose him for the dozen time in the last 10 years

>>84499113
>>84499130

hes bad because they cropped WW's panties out of a cover?

>>84504005
It wasn't an Ad hominen, the guys said nothing about it.

It was just Rucka's words.

>>84503859

And let Rucka get away with being an unprofessional asshat? Nah, better that he call Rucka out so people will recognize what a jackass he is.

>>84503909

I think Cho is more than well aware at this point that there's a very vocal group of people who see him as the bad guy no matter what. If anything, him going public probably stopped them from coming up with some sort of narrative.

>>84503934

And what would that have accomplished? Rucka would still be free to be a colossal douche behind closed doors. If you want things to change, you have to speak up.

>>84503996

Why would they be pissed? He was very gracious to them and absolved the company as a whole of any and all blame. The only person who Cho painted in a negative light is Rucka, and I doubt DC is going to want to circle the wagons to protect him given their history.

>>84504025

More that Rucka went out of his way to deliberately crop them out, and made no effort to talk to Cho about it or work something out. Also apparently there was a lot of bad blood between the two already, this was just the straw that broke the camel's back.