Frank Cho leaving Wonder Woman because of censorship

>>84498140
>He tells Bleeding Cool,
All the problem lies with Greg Rucka.

>EVERYONE loves my Wonder Woman covers and wants me to stay. Greg Rucka is the ONLY one who has any problem with covers. Greg Rucka has been trying to alter and censor my artwork since day one.

>Greg Rucka thought my Wonder Woman #3 cover was vulgar and showed too much skin, and has been spearheading censorship, which is baffling since my Wonder Woman image is on model and shows the same amount of skin as the interior art, and it’s a VARIANT COVER and he should have no editorial control over it. (But he does. WTF?!!!)

>I tried to play nice, not rock the boat and do my best on the covers, but Greg’s weird political agenda against me and my art has made that job impossible. Wonder Woman was the ONLY reason I came over to DC Comics.

>To DC’s credit, especially [Art Director] Mark Chiarello, they have been very accommodating. But they are caught between a rock and a hard place.

>I just wanted to be left alone and do my Wonder Woman variant covers in peace. But Greg Rucka is in a hostile power trip and causing unnecessary friction over variant covers.

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Rucka you enormous fucking faggot REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

What a pussy. He couldn't do the job so he quit. He's bad at his job and he's a bad artist.

>>84498140

Good riddance. Cho is an enourmous faggot, anyway.

>>84498140
>tells you to tone it down
>throw a fit and leave instead
okay

@84498140
There is literally nothing wrong with this.
But watch as Gamergoobers fill this thread with misogyny
Rucka will be in the right side of history and Cho will be remembered as a dinosaur trying to keep doing his awful stuff in 2016, when he doesn't have a place anymore

>cho this butthurt over slightly cropping an image

>>84498218
I like Rucka, buts he's the one being a faggot here.

>>84498140

How long until Cho draws a million pics of WW naked and giving him the reason?

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>>84498218
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>>84498314

> hur durr someone doesn't like an obnoxious fap artist so it's bait

>>84498314
>being progressive is bait
Maybe you should go back to /pol/???

>>84498439
>being progressive
>gotta cover up those womyn

Do Rucka and Cho have different political ideologies or something?

>>84498140
>Getting paid to do something for someone under someone else
>Upset that person has demands and rules
Cry more Cho.

>>84498500
Oh fuck off
Just report the idiots and hope for the best instead of being a whiny baby

>>84498518
Probably got a lot of offers and commission requests from this, so he probably will cry more

>>84498538

> report people for having a different opinion

so, just who is tumblr now?

>>84498556
>Commissions are paychecks
LOL!

>>84498495
Yeah, women want to be free yet covered in burkas. The fuck is with that?

>>84498571
>I don't like these people for being tumblr
>BUT IF YOU DISLIKE TUMBLR THEN YOU ARE TUMBLR

You're just a fool anon, a silly fool

>>84498140
>because of censorship

He's work-for-hire. If the company is unhappy with what you do and asks you to redo it, that's standard procedure, not censorship.

Until I see evidence, it's just his word against Rucka's. He might be right, he might be overreacting, but I can't tell based on his words alone.

>>84498579
Yes, quite a few artists rely on commissions since monthlies aren't enough, and Cho has confirmed that he sells more and can charge more for commissions ever since the original controversy happened.

>>84498258
They didn't even crop the image. They zoomed in and made it look all weird. Like she was bigger than what she originally was.

>>84498636
Go back to drawing tiddies, Frank.

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MEANWHILE...
Greg is ok with Nicola doing this.

>>84498636
What

>>84498518
I didn't know Cho was such a crybaby.
He is Robbie crybaby tier.

>>84498439
>>84498439
bait it is

>>84498682
Gee no shit


you dummy

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>>84498218
>he's a bad artist
Yeah... good luck with that.

>>84498218
>and he's a bad artist.
fuck off

fuck greg rucka, what a little pussy. his wonder woman has been bland shit so far and honestly after this i am glad he got dicked out of writing earth one and all star.

>>84498698
Does anybody have the pages he drew of DKR?

He's like Ross. Does pretty stills and pin ups, but is bad mostly everything else.

Is Frank Cho trying to make his whole career 'that guy who really likes drawing big tits and ass'? We get it, you love butts, but come on man, do the work as asked.

The guy is becoming a caricature of himself.

>>84498744
Except he is not bad at anything except at times same face.

His covers haven't really impressed me, but I doubt whoever we get doing variants instead will be much better. Plus the reasoning here is retarded, fucking Rucka.

>>84498648
I mean Greg wrote that scene so it's even more ridiculous.

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It's basically two manchilds fighting over their waifu.

Greg Rucka has been dreaming about doing this Wonder Woman story for ages and he only accepted coming back to DC because of this book.

Frank Cho always loved Wonder Woman and he only accepted to work for DC to draw buff covers of Wonder Woman's book.

Rucka doesn't want WW to be shown so lewd in the covers, Cho wants to draw buff WW as covers.

>>84498762
I'm not entirely sure how variant covers work, but I don't think the writer of the series gets a say in what's on them, that's for the art director

>>84498744
>but is bad mostly everything else.
again, wrong

Greg Rucka is the writer. He's right.

The writer is the captain. If the writer tells you to draw you blowing him, you fucking do it, draw monkey. You want to be in charge? Start writing.

>>84498698
There's nothing impressive about that page, buddy.

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>>84498810
its not even lewd, rucka is just being a dick because he doesnt like outrage

He's doing Trinity now. Surprised to see him doing covers that will possibly have Superman in them.

>>84498857
It's a fucking variant cover. Rucka's jsut being a bitch.

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rucka wrote these comics

>>84498862
>bad artist now means you don't surpass every other professional artist and become a legendary master of your craft
>bad

This makes no sense. Is OP cover #3? I have a feeling it was over something else and Cho is exaggerating. Considering Rucka has already done a bathing scene (although not inherently sexual), complaining about the amount of skin on a variant seems too absurd to be true.

>>84498762
>The guy is becoming a caricature of himself.

There should be an age requirement for veteran comic creators. This happens too often with them.

>>84498862
>Implications
All pen work, minuscule details everywhere, unrivaled cross hatching in comics

>>84498902
And it's just being told to tone it down and not show panty shots or whatever. Cho is just being a bitch.

>>84498585
Third Wave Feminism is mixed with puritanism, because it's not a "movement for that only wants equality of the sexes" It's a moshpit of different political ideas rolled into one big clusterfuck.

>>84498902

>He's doing Trinity now. Surprised to see him doing covers that will possibly have Superman in them.

Has this been confirmed? Because i was going to say that. If Cho want to draw Wondy for DC so much, DC should just give him JUSTICE LEAGUE or TRINITY, books where Wondy is a main character, for Cho to draw covers for.

>>84498977
the solicits have him as Trinity #2 variant

>>84498947

Why are panty shots a problem? Fuck you. I want panty shots.

>>84498518
Yep, this. Cho is a manbaby throwing a tantrum. This is just massively unprofessional. I'm completely unsurprised, considering his recent behaviour.

he is right, if anything editorial should have a right to censor stuff not the writer

>>84498805
Obviously Frank wasn't drawing any beefcake to off set it.
>>84498871
Is this post censorship or whats going on? What's actually wrong with this?

>>84498988

Nice.

>>84499006
Go jerk off to zenescope

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>>84498744
>but is bad mostly everything else
His work on TA Hulk is pretty solid.

>>84498947
Then maybe they should give Wonder Woman another costume if the greek/gladiator stuff is offensive.

Does Cho think he has to constantly play up this "anti-SJW" thing for attention now? Is being a good artist not good enough?

>>84498821
When you are Greg Rucka, you get a say.

>>84499031

You can see Wondy's butt and panties.

>>84499048

No, fuck you. I want to jerk off to Wondy's panty shots.

>>84498240
>@
>inb4 being this new

>>84498140
>Censorship is being told what you're supposed to do at work.
Just get Adam Hughes. His work is miles better anyway.

>>84499052
That's a pretty generic page.

>>84499074
Wow how lewd, equality between the sexes is damaged forever, this is a massive outrage and clearly the work of the patriarchy.

>>84499074
But its beyond tame.
I have a hard time believing Rucka has an issue with that.

>>84499104
Then go look up fanart or wait two days before Cho makes a barrage of Wonder Woman pics to piss off Rucka like the manbaby he is

>>84499132
That is what Cho says.
We need more information.

>>84498762
He did the work as asked. Read the fucking article. The character on the cover was on model and of costume of the interior art.

Rucka, who isn't editorial or in charge of it threw a hissy fit.

The fact that anyone is on Rucka's side, despite Rucka overstepping his bounds and threatening to leave unless they listen to him is fucking bizarre.

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Meanwhile in GRAYSON...

You know what? They should ask Tom King to write a second ongoing to Wonder Woman and have Frank Cho do interior art for it.

>>84499144

No, i want oficial work of Wondy's panties. That's the kick.

>>84499115
I know. I saved it because She-Hulk. But he still does good work with the book. Or he did, for all of the four issues he illustrated.

>>84499189
You do realize that people threw a massive fit over this page, right?

Seeley got harassed twitter and there were articles on bleedingcool.

>>84499128
>"Hey maybe we shouldn't show Wonder Woman's panties on this cover"
>"OUTRAGE! CENSORSHIP! MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH!"

>>84499189
Apparently they're inspecting the massive tumor in Dick's left thigh. Shit, just one line wrong and I can't unsee it now.

>>84499225
then don't give her a fucking skirt

>>84499189
There was a lot of outrage over that page, anon.

>>84499184
I just don't buy it. Rucka has worse in his comic, scenes HE wrote. Something feels off about this.
I like Frank, I was on his side in the whole retarded Spider-Gwen thing but Rucka getting pissy about seeing a tiny bit of panty in an ultimately tame Variant cover when he himself is writing nude scenes in the book seems off.

>>84499220

>Seeley got harassed twitter and there were articles on bleedingcool.

This is stupid. Good, God. Not even men can be allowed to look sexy?

You know what, i'm going to go out shirtless as a protest.

>>84499220
why?

>>84499184

Rucka is a beloved writer of some of the best comics ever written.

Frank Cho is a kind of decent artist of almost no note.

>>84499256
>I can't think of a pose that won't show her panties or draw the skirt longer
>fuck you i don't do work for hire to be edited why is this happening to me

>>84498218
Good job being a massive tard my man.

>>84499282
>It's a Frank Cho is a nobody meme post

>>84499060
What's t point of being a good artist if you can't express your style on a variant cover cos the writers is squeamish about visible butt curvature?

>>84499292
>we should limit our poses to not offend people

that's internalized censorship

>>84499031
It's pre censorship. Rucka was angry at that image.

>>84499024
Editorial could've agreed with Rucka.

>>84499060
Yes. Because clearly a comfy job doing DC covers is simply too much to handle if one dumbass editor didn't like them.

Motherfucker could have just posted the uncensored ones online after and let the fans tell DC to lay off him but nah, "th-the system is against me!!!!!!!! im important!" is a much better, non bridge burning method.

>>84499184
It's almost like /co/ is infamously full of tumblr SJWs or something.

>>84499024
DC/Didio/Johns got Rucka back so if they or editorial did interfere somehow, they definitely sided with Rucka.

Having a variant cover artist leave is no big deal, but having the writer leave would be 2012-2013 DC all over again

>>84499328
Yeah why shouldn't the panties be shown, that's the heart of the issue.

Why the fuck not? Because prudes would get upset and call muh soggy knee?

>>84499282
Yeah if someone's more popular ones to make their side even if they're wrongful because I'm a mindless fucking tool.

>>84499273
>Something feels off about this
Because it's not just a point of disagreement between two people. It's personal, at least in Rucka's case. The guy is a massive SJW and probably hates Cho like a lot of SJWs do. That's what I'm guessing, at least.

>>84499390
Nah, more like they don't read what is linked and are idiots.

This is the most retarded thing i've read today, and I just read the Civil war II comic

Rucka is, as usual an idiot.

>>84499366
>is a much better, non bridge burning method.
The only bridge Cho's burning is with Rucka. Which is the right idea based on Rucka's past behavior.

>>84498862
You are an insane person

>>84499444

Cho isn't even the main artist on the book! He's doing VARIANT COVERS. His position can be filled by ANYBODY.

>>84498871
So... what, this ruins their headcanon that Wonder Woman goes commando under that shitty thing they call a skirt? Oh no it's the end of the world. How dare Cho show that a sensible warrior woman wearing a skirt would have something underneath it.

>>84499282
>almost no note.
>owns a successful comic series
>routinely sells sketches for hundreds if not thousands of dollars
>has published several books on how to draw despite not being trained
>has won awards despite not being trained
>is a trained nurse that could save your life

>>84499488
>>84499491
Yeah but Rucka will keep getting work, for being a great writer.

Rucka is such a great writer that he can control the covers being put on his work.

What is really eating Cho up I bet is that Rucka is considered more essential than him (which makes sense considering he is just a variant cover artist). So DC listened to Rucka's wants over Cho's.

>>84499523
>His position can be filled by ANYBODY.
The same could be said for any role in any business. Cho's art on a variant cover means more sales. It's as simple as that.

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>>84499366
>Motherfucker could have just posted the uncensored ones online
kek
>DC is r-right as always but c-can I still have some of Wonder Woman's t-thigh pics please
priceless

>>84499523
I agree. If someone's more important I always take their side even if they're wrong because I'm a mindless fucking tool.

>>84499549
>Yeah but Rucka will keep getting work, for being a great writer.
That's awesome and everything but that doesn't have anything to do with this thread. Please off yourself.

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Why is Rucka even complaining about variant covers?
And then everyone in this thread defending his uneeded non-actions. You people are stupid

>>84499366
>Motherfucker could have just posted the uncensored ones online after and let the fans tell DC to lay off him
that is an incredibly stupid idea

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>>84498439

>>84499580
He's not wrong, neither is he right. He didn't want Cho doing the variants, it's just his preference and he's running the show. Work for hire shouldn't have a say on a title, the writer and sometimes main artist should.

>>84499630
Because Rucka is a dc writer and therefore can do no wrong.

>>84498501
Yeah. Cho likes big tits and amazon women and Rucka likes to be a Cucka

>>84499656
An artist shouldn't have a say in the art he makes.

>>84499491
Okay but to leave the company just because he's having disputes with one writer? Being an artist in any consumer media job is going to require you to butt heads with some personalities and make compromises. This is one of those scenarios where a compromise could have been easily reached; Cho edits the cover but keeps his "uncensored" version and puts it up online with a cheeky note along the lines of "too hot for DC" or something (especially since it was apparently only Rucka giving him shit for it.)

Being a great artist is one thing, but being a great EMPLOYED artist is another. Unless Rucka had a gun on Cho's head and told him to delete that original file right this second I see no possible way Cho couldn't have worked it around so that he could work it around for such a miniscule sounding dispute.

Or even better, IF Rucka was being a piece of shit like Cho says, why not take it to someone internally at DC instead of trying to make yet another spectacle of it? The guy is just begging for attention at this point.

>>84499220
I don't even want to live in this world. Cheesecake images of both sexes are fine.

>>84498140
I honestly cannot believe this.

Frank Cho's covers are the best, on model, and my God I just lost some respect for Rucka.

What the hell is wrong with him?

I actually like ruckas writing. I know he was always a bit of an SJW because he ONLY writes female characters, but he really is a great writer. Great stories and characters to match. To throw a bitch fit about this is the mark of some pretty ridiculous whining.

Cho isn't drawing her like some pinup model, it's very conservative for wonder woman and cho really does draw great muscles and beautiful women, BOTH of which makes for a great WW.

I'd love to read greg's response to this.

>>84499715
the covers are boring as fuck.

>>84499577
>DC is r-right as always
I didn't say that, I just said he didn't need to leave once more and try and drum up some sort of controversy if at worst it was a dispute with some writer telling him to edit his covers.

>>84499633
Why? Plenty of professional artists have their own side catalogs of shit that got cut out or edited. If the original was as compliant with the standards as Cho says, what's stopping him from doing it?

>>84499693

>Okay but to leave the company just because he's having disputes with one writer?

Greg Rucka's also threatening to leave the company just because of an artist drawings.

>>84499693
>Cho edits the cover but keeps his "uncensored" version and puts it up online with a cheeky note along the lines of "too hot for DC" or something


Holy shit, you are a fucking idiot.

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>>84499718
>he was always a bit of an SJW
So THAT'S why his Punisher was so lackluster.

>>84499604
It has everything to do with this thread.

Do you think the art director would have made Cho bend over backwards if just any writer said they didn't like the cover?

Rucka is good enough that when he says to make the change, the change happens, or the artist has to go. That's what is eating up Cho. In this case, he is disposable.

>>84498871
I especially don't get the problem considering that she hasn't been wearing a skirt in her main book until three issues ago.

Showing a bit of blue panty is ok BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN WEARING PANTIES FOR THE LAST 75 YEARS

>>84499814
I liked his punisher. The art work was 10/10 and I thought he punisherette was very well done. Greg Rucka really does write great female characters. I respect your opinion thought, he has written better stories in the past.

>>84499858
Waid is not working for DC

>>84499771
That doesn't make either of them in the right if that's the case, it just means neither are professional enough to deal with one another and it should be dealt with internally.

>>84499792
Again, why? It's not full on porn its just some fucking variant cover he had to legally edit for the official release. At worst I could see him having to ask someone if its okay to post it on his personal portfolio or something like that.

What exactly does he have to lose in this scenario?

>>84498218
Why bother? It's likely not worth the money to have some betafag whine and cry that "YOU'RE DRAWING HER TOO SEXY" and trying to muscle out another creator because he disagrees with the guy's politics or the way he draws characters.

Honestly if DC had any sort of backbone they'd fire Rucka if this actually is the case because the guy's creating a toxic work environment and driving away creators with his attitude. Ideally he'd be blackballed from comics for a time period but Marvel would take him back in a heartbeat. They'd probably be MORE inclined to take him back.

>>84499757
Cho isn't a first year out of art school graduate nobody. If he's hired to do a variant cover and it's within the boundaries of taste and makes sense for that character he should be able to as a fucking well established artist express his talent in the way he sees fit.

If one guy being squeamish about butt curvature and possible underwear existing means his art gets fucked with...fuck that. Guys got every fight to tell theme fuck off cos he makes his money just fine. And if he wants to let the bullshit be known oh fucking well.
But holy he'll they hired Frank cho. He's known for drawing ovinly detailed well muscled curvy women in striking poses. Why hire him then hen peck at his work when it's what the guy is known for and Not even all that revealing?

>>84498501
Cho's a cheesecake artist. Rucka's was a male feminist before that became a "cool" thing. The current environment regarding pop culture and feminism means that portraying women as sexy is haram and infidels must be put to the sword.

>>84499809

He doesn't draw asses.

It's clear Rucka is just an awful pissbaby that had problems with Cho from the start.

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>>84499809
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So...this boils down to two bitches playing chicken over Muh Wondy, and Cho swerved first?

>>84499963

Can you see Rucka asking DC to fire Benes or else he walks? Benes IS DC. DC would never fire Benes.

I mean, who else would draw Bleez?

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Whoa whoa what the fuck /co/? Since when is liking sexy females gamergate or fucking /pol/? How is waging war on cheesecake progressive?
I'm sorry, i've had to accept alot of things mostly there to appease women who dont read these books, but ill be shitted if i don't fight for my right to fap to thicc comic ladies. Frank cho may shave gotten too much mileage out of the outrage thing, but he still has my support.

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Reminder that Rucka's obsessed with making strong female lesbians because it's a not-at-all subtle fetish. The entire reason Montoya is a rug muncher is because "he instinctively knew" that she was a lesbian before he ever wrote her or anything and his pre-emptive response to anyone saying that she had boyfriends in the past was to go "DURR IT WAS A BEARD".

>>84498617
Well, he doesn't seem to be denying that he threw bitch fits about Cho's art.

>>84500016
>Benes IS DC. DC would never fire Benes.

Really?

>>84499933
>If he's hired to do a variant cover and it's within the boundaries of taste and makes sense for that character he should be able to as a fucking well established artist express his talent in the way he sees fit.

Cool, I don't disagree with this, but this also isn't the first time Cho's left some company or tried to start some shit in the name of "fighting censorship" when there's plenty of workarounds. I don't disagree that he's a talented artist, but he always seems to want some sort of media circus around him nowadays because some writer he probably won't work with after the run is finished (making fucking variant covers no less) didn't like what he was drawing. This isn't even middle grounding, this is just doing what you have to do to keep your job.

It just seems like such an unnecessary dramatic move over what, again, feels like an internal dispute.

I see all the Bat-Tumblr fags are out of the woodworks to defend Rucka

>>84500058
He's the Joe Kubert of South America.

>>84499366
He's still doing covers for DC, he just fucked off from doing Wonder Woman because he didn't want to deal with Greg "I nod respectfully" Rucka.

>>84500085
>when there's plenty of workarounds.
What workarounds are there?

>>84498218
I swear il fucking gut you rucka

>>84500044
>DCdrones

Don't be stupid, its obviously white knighsts that always called Cho "problematic".

Cho is too old to be acting like this, I'm sorry.

>>84500041
He'll be on other books, even doing actual art for them.

If I have to choose between Rucka writing, or Cho doing a variant cover, I'll take Rucka writing.

That's all this comes down to. The two are just incompatible it seems.

>>84498166
>>84498140
Rucka'a Wonder Woman is pretty trash anyway. Cho's artistic talent is wasted on it.

>>84500105
Really?. I mean, why would DC never fired Benes

>>84500103
Cho's an easy target, the guy lives the shake the hornets nest.
I doubt this happens tho if Cho was on Green Lanterns and Lupa was on WW.

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>>84500085

>but this also isn't the first time Cho's left some company or tried to start some shit in the name of "fighting censorship"

Can you cite some of them?

Because the one threatening to leave DC over some variant covers was Rucka, not Cho.

Cho just decided that drawing illustrating the variants for the WW book only to constantly have his art criticized and censored by the writer of the book was too much hassle. DC gave him Trinity, which is happy with, because now he can go on drawing WW without any problems.

>>84500002
I'm going to assume, given that DC went out of their way to kick off the original writer from the book (I think?) to bring in Rucka he realized that if it was him vs. Rucka, Rucka was going to win so it's a "you can't fire me, I quit" situation.

>>84500157
Posting the original online like he did >>84499113 and if DC fans think Rucka's exaggerating, they'll let them know. Which he did anyways.

>>84500136
Ah, okay. He made it sound like he was fucking off the company then. My mistake.

>>84500085

I'm glad hes leaving.
means he'll finally get around to doing those seven creator-owned books hes announced over the last 4 years.

>>84500177
what artistic talent?

>>84500056
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Man people on /co/ turned on Greg, QUICK.

>>84500173
More like Rucka is too old to be acting this way.

There is absolutely nothing remotely sexist about the covers Cho has done. I'd barely even class them as cheesecake. Shit, he draws Diana looking more powerful and heavy set than most artists these days, and she's not thrusting her ass at the fourth wall or anything.

If Rucka had a problem with him, it was out of some other disagreement that he allowed to enter his work.

>>84500179
he provides them with a steady pipeline of cheap talent he teaches.

>>84500085
>this also isn't the first time Cho's left some company or tried to start some shit in the name of "fighting censorship"
Name the other times.

>"fighting censorship"
Who are you quoting? Cho left Wondy because Rucka clearly wanted him gone with all his micromanaging. Rucka is not Cho's boss. DC is. Rucka should not be swinging his dick around in this manner. It's unprofessional.

>>84500221
>Safe spacing yourself in a bubble
>BASED
Kill yourself

Cho does seem to stir shit up no matter where he goes but it's not like Rucka is any better. His wondy has been disappointing which is saying something since he's a decent writer that literally has a chance to write his waifu.

I don't get what problem he has with Cho's art though, it's tame, it's barely even cheesecake especially for Cho.

>wonder woman's pantsu

Yeah that wouldn't be a problem if wondy's skirt wasn't as short as it could possibly get (not that I'm complaining). Maybe Rucka should bitch about that.

>>84499872
>The art work was 10/10
Can't argue that, though he had nothing to do with it, so moot point.
>the punisherette was very well done
I let it slide because it hasn't exactly been done to death, and she was bearable. What bothered me is Frank letting her get away with killing an innocent man, no matter the circumstances. This is a dude who is the embodiment of ''black and white, no compromise'' almost to the extent of Rorschach, and we were shown many times he would but a bullet through his own brain without hesitation if he slipped and killed an innocent. But then he risks everything to save her because ''muh semper fi''? Rucka made him TOO MUCH of a soldier, i even saw an interview about how he thinks Frank never had sex after his family got murdered and how he only eats MREs, what the fuck, he's had several affairs over the years and is regularly shown eating burgers and shit. Rucka didn't get the character, so instead he made a female that the plot revolved around. It's not horrible or anything, but it can't even begin to compare to Ennis, Dixon or Remender. It didn't fuck up, but it didn't exactly do good either.

>>84500232
Well yes. Fuck anyone that works for DC, Fuck King too.

>>84500232
If he's acting like a turd then he's acting like a turd, simple as.

>>84500232
He already lost me back with Rebirth 1 where he really obviously went "NOT MUH" in the worst way possible.

I mean it's Wonder Woman so I expected it but shit man just once can a writer play ball so we can build something instead of reinventing her every 20 months?

>>84500260
Using "safe space" does not reduce the his choice or his right not not listen to anyone else's shit.

>>84500251

its actually funny, I only know of one professional comic writer that took Bendis' class. and he hasn't actually worked at Marvel...

>>84500309
He has the right not to, but it does make him a massive faggot shielding himself off from criticism in doing so.

>>84500232
he's in the process of retconning Azz's Wonder Woman, the first comic book /co/ ever read.

>>84500173
Congratulations on the least intelligent comment of the thread award.

Do you forget we're talking about comics.

>>84500323
I miss when I could read comics without knowing the creators were whinebaby cunts

>>84500262
>he's a decent writer that literally has a chance to write his waifu.
That's exactly *why* it's disappointing. The same thing happened when Simone got on Batgirl or KSD on Captain Marvel. Or Bendis on anybody. The writer goes "I love this character! They're the best!" and forget they actually have to convince readers of that or build a decent story.

>>84500344
To be fair, that's to be expected with the Rebirth business.

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I don't understand peoples love for Wonder Woman. She's a really old character but where is her Dark Knight Returns or her All-Star Superman? Where are her good legendary books that everyone, even casual comic readers, absolutely need to read? They don't exist.

>>84500251
When has one of Ed Benes students have actually being put on a DC book?

>>84500323
I don't like how these dudes are acting like they were there.
Get Cho off that cross.
Even if he's telling the truth "bent over backwards"?

>>84500288
So fuck Cho? He still works for DC, they just put him on Trinity instead of WW.

That Killing Joke cover for Batgirl set a bad precedent.

>>84500373
Dude Linda Carter bro.

>>84500379
But I liked Manapaul.

>>84500334
>not interested in discussing with Cho fanbabys upset their half porn is no longer covers
>shielding himself off from criticism

Sure. Okay.

>>84500405
Manapul is the main artist, Cho is the variant one.

>>84500232
He lost me when he created All-New All Different Batwoman the mighty lesbian of Gotham

>>84500405
Manapul is still doing main covers and interiors.

Cho is just doing variants.

>>84500406
I wonder if he also gets butthurt when people criticize the failings of his interpretation of Frank Castle.

>>84499282
>Rucka is a beloved writer of some of the best comics ever written.
He's a good writer, but c'mon.

>>84500173
you never read

>>84500275
You make good points.

> Frank never had sex after his family got murdered and how he only eats MREs, what the fuck, he's had several affairs over the years and is regularly shown eating burgers and shit.

I never read that, but it's retarded to think the punisher only eats MRE's. I guess I gave him too much credit up front. It bothers me when a new writer is attatched to a project, and they feel like they can do whatever they want in a vacuum. That's not how main line super hero stories works, and if you want freedom go publish that story under image.

>>84500406
>blocking people while being a smug cunt about it
>BASED

I don't even care what side you're on but there's nothing commendable about blocking random people on twitter. It just makes you a faggot that has to hide behind a block button.

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>This many people defending Rucka's temper tantrums
To what end?

>>84500232
I thought there'd be more people honestly.

>>84498314
>getting so triggered about being told to tone it down that you give an grandiose interview about leaving
>a good thing

Honestly surprised people are making such a big deal about this. Is it just the "censorship" term being thrown around? Having creative differences doesn't seem like that big of a deal. DC did promise Rucka a certain about of control when they asked him back and Cho didn't do anything wrong by telling them that he was unhappy so that they could fix the situation.

>>84500436
You're confusing a lack of interest in conversing or communicating with someone with "butthurt." He has his job. He gets his paycheck. What he said flew and the variant artist threw a tantrum and left. He has nothing to be butthurt about.

>>84500453
It was a well written and well drawn story. It could have been any character though

>>84500232
Our hatred of SJWs trumps our love for any single creator. If Stan Lee went on record exclaiming his love of trans people and how he regrets ever making Peter Parker white, /co/ would take up arms with a banner of flayed Lee raised up high.

>>84500232

Because he's being irrational.

>>84500463
Johnston was the one who noticed he was gone and asked him about it, so he replied. It's not like he wrote a blog post about it.

Fun fact: Greg Rucka is good friends irl with Scott Allie, old Bitey the Clown.

>>84500476
>Criticizing another professional for having a grudge is a tantrum

>>84500496
I thought we already hated Lee for stealing credit from better creators?

>>84500232
Don't mess with /co/'s dicks or their idea of censorship.

>>84500476
I dunno, complaining about variant art seems like butthurt to me.

Then running away from any and all criticism seems like even more butthurt.

>>84500522
And fucking Kirby's wife. Can't forget that

>I like drawing my waifu
>I like writing my waifu but I don't like how you draw her
>I came to this company to draw my waifu though ;_;
>ok DC lets me draw trinity so I can keep drawing my waifu :)

Why is this a story?

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>GET
>E
>T

>ED
>D

>BENES
>E
>N
>E
>S

Cho's WW variants were toothless and tame. I can't imagine what got Rucka's panties in such a twist.

>>84500487
It was well drawn, but it wasn't well written by any stretch of imagination. And again, he wasn't the artist, so stop giving him credit for that. The writing was mediocre as fuck, and considering he picked up after Remender's AMAZING run, it was that much more disappointing.

>>84500514
Cho is the only one talking. Cho is also known for tantrums. Cho thinks there is a grudge but there is no proof of that. He was told by someone in charge of him to do things according to his spec. The end. Not wanting to get twenty million fanbaby tweets is an okay and respectable thing to do.

>>84500536
I guess it's just the gossip thing. People like that whole "omg Cho and Rucka are... FIGHTING" talk.

>>84500453
Stuff like that makes me question what the fuck are the Editors for these days? Like, i would've went: ''No Greg, that shit can't fly, now read all of this and THEN write the character when you fucking grasp his core traits''.

>>84500562
What was wrong with it? also I wasn't crediting him for the art, it was really well drawn

>>84500568
>Cho thinks there is a grudge but there is no proof of that.
Rucka being a big baby about the variants is proof of the grudge, especially since he allowed Scott to do full-frontal in the actual book itself.

>>84500568
No, Cho is known for responding to tantrums

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Reminder that before Greg Rucka started writing Renee Montoya the character wasn't a big lesbo, but actually a widow who dreamed of having children and was currently dating someone.

Rucka excuse? He just knew that Renee was lesbian for being a latina and that whatever canon came before was false, all the previous male romantic partners were beards.

http://archive.is/2bjst

>The first thing I ever wrote for DC was a Montoya story. I had read up, around, and in support of that. But I knew she was queer. There’s at least one person out there on the internet that accuses me of “making her gay.” As far as I am concerned, she is the most authentically queer character I have ever written, in the sense that I didn’t make her gay. That was in her genetics. She was queer.

>Renee, for whatever reason, I knew certain things about before I literally ever put pen to paper. I knew that she was a second-generation immigrant from the Dominican Republic. I knew that her parents had immigrated to Gotham. I knew that the family was Roman Catholic, and I knew that she was gay and in the closet.

>And one can argue that — I think unconvincingly — the actual canon before I got my grubby little mitts on her was that she was actually straight. She was dating this guy, and so on and so forth. To which my response is, yes. It’s called bearding. Just because she was dating a guy, or even sleeping with a guy, doesn’t mean she wasn’t queer. We are fortunately in an era now where that kind of argument is holding less and less water.

Rucka was always a SJW with a kink for dom lesbians.

>>84500496

>exclaiming his love of trans people

I don't recall ever hearing /co/ dislikes trans people.

They dislike minority pandering being shoved down their throats in an obvious way.

JEM had a trans characters and nobody thought ill of it.

>>84500610
Again, wanting specific things from someone that works for you is not called a tantrum.

lol, I didn't know /co/ was so full of fucking pussies. I don't even know what is and what isn't bait on this thread anymore

>>84500619
there is literally nothing wrong with writing your waifus in a manner you prefer

>>84500631
Cho doesn't work for Rucka.

>>84500619
>DCAU is the same as DCU
>Changing characters is a bad thing.

>>84500631
He was making things up to get mad about.

>>84500631
>wanting specific things from someone that works for you
Cho doesn't work for Rucka though.

>>84500619
Was it Rucka's decision to kill off Vic for this bullshit.

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>>84500543

Why is Ed Benes so important to DC? Have he killed someone for Didio? Benes is Brazilian and Brazilians are pretty dangerous and fucked up in the head.

>>84500593
>What was wrong with it?
Since you have to ask, i can tell you aren't exactly a hardcore Punisher fan. Not being a prick, i swear, it's just that this is the equivalent of there being a comic of Superman being a huge dick to jaywalkers, swearing and ''accidentally'' breaking a few bones of a petty criminal. It's not exactly Injustice, but it's pretty bad.
read>>84500275

>>84500656
>>84500667

Technicalities, he works under him. Rucka has more say. The end.

>>84500665
Chuck Dixon's Montoya was 100% not gay.

>>84500629
9 people read Jem and only 2 of them actually pay for it

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>>84500499
We don't know WHAT he's being because we only have Frank's side on this.
>>84500619
>You'll never impregnate a butch latina cop

>>84500677
Didn't he leave her/set he up to be arrested at the end though?

>>84500665

Renee was straight in the comics as well. She was dating a guy during the CONTAGION crossover. There was no hint of latent homosexuality.

>>84500619

That explains why Rebirth Wonder Woman apparently banged her way through half the women in Themyscira.

Literally both creators are happy now. What is the problem?

>>84500692
>Technicalities, he works under him.
No, he doesn't.
>Rucka has more say.
Because DC is toothless.
>The end.
Clearly not.

>>84500705
There's a series where he fights the Avengers to free her. Punisher takes on Thor, Iron Man, Captain America and Black Widow. It's better written then it sounds, and definitely great bragging rights for a Punisher fan, but ultimately MEH.

>>84500705
War Zone was all about breaking her out, he succeeded, then at the end of his run Frank was locked up forever at the bottom of the ocean (until they moved him to Thunderbolts a month later) and she became West Coast Punisher and was never heard from again.

>>84500694

I still count other trans characters /co/ didn't pitch a fit about.

>>84500056
what significant boyfriends did she have?

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>>84499792

It wouldn't be the first time that's happened.

>@YanickPaquette: Although un-credited in SUP/WW ann.2, I produced the layout for it.Check out this page deemed too sexy for Print

>>84500619
Rucka is literally the Bendis-lite.

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>>84500713
You can say that Renee got Ruckaed, aka the original Bendised.

>>84500705
>>84500755
Oh yea, and Spider-man.

How long until /co/ turns against Rucka? It's already begun

>>84498862
Show us your pages then.

>>84500750
>Because DC is toothless.
Because DC had numerous PR disasters where writers would walk off or be kicked off books just a couple years ago, Didio/DC/Johns kissed and made up with Rucka so they don't want to scare him off again, and DC needs Rucka more than Rucka needs DC, DC needs Cho, or Cho needs DC.

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>>84500716

Rucka has a fetish for strong/aggressive lesbians.

He turned Renee into a lesbian, he turned Kate (Batwoman) into a lesbian - When Batwoman was introduced in 52 she was flirting with Nightwing like crazy in the earlier issues, he showed Wondy plowing the amazons in the recent issue.

That's just a matter of fact with Rucka. The comic has a chick with strong personality in it? If Rucka start to write it he'll turn said character into a lesbian ignoring whatever came before. He just will.

He was probably ignored, cucked or pegged by an aggressive lesbian way back when.

>>84500755
>>84500763
I read his run and am heavy into Punisher, I just don't remember it very well. Which I guess does speak volume about the quality of it

>>Reminder that before Greg Rucka started writing Renee Montoya the character wasn't a big lesbo, but actually a widow who dreamed of having children and was currently dating someone.

She was a widow in the comics, or just the cartoon?

>>84500806
It happened a few weeks ago when /co/ hated the Rebirth issue and #1

This is just making the hatred more complete, more potent.

>>84500828

Both.

>>84500823
The 52 Batwoman was a lesbian from the getgo.

>>84500777
No anon, that's too easy. Where's the outcry? Where's the coverage?! I need to be the center of attention RIGHT NOW.

Nice lucky 7 trips btw

>>84500823
Does that mean he'll eventually turn WW into a full blow lezzie?

Because I'd be okay with that

>>84500763
Nah, she appeared in Edmondson's run, which is literally the worst Punisher run i have read. That's right, fucking Ghostbuster Punisher was better then that shit.

>>84500864
What comic said she was a widow?

>>84500872
Didio would likely literally murder him if she's exclusively gay.


Comics needs more bi characters, anyway. Specifically bi men.

>>84500822
DC still has both Cho and Rucka. Literally no one lost anything here.

People are making a mountain out of a molehill.

>>84500866

She wasn't, man. She was getting moist for the Dickman.

>>84500822
That's why I think this whole thing is kinda bullshit. The story is sounding like that Rucka essentially held the book for ransom and Cho is the bad guy for paying it.

>>84500911
Actually Didio is fine with gays, Simone said so on twitter
And he was one of the higher ups than was okay with Hippolyta and Philippus getting married years ago

>>84498810
No, it's explicitly because Rucka doesn't like Cho.

If it were anyone else that drew the covers Rucka wouldn't care, but because Cho likes OUTRAGE everything he does triggers the Ruckmaster, so he had to nitpick every little detail until Cho said fuck it I'm out.

>>84500823
Didn't he say he basically thinks of himself as a gay woman despite being a overweight white guy.

>>84500922
EVERYONE gets moist for the Dickman, that's his superpower

>>84500922
seriously? before she was introduced dc announced she was a lesbian. her first appearance revealed she was renee's ex.

>>84500935
If DC/editorial gave him the power over variants, and I can imagine they would have the Batgirl fiasco, then Rucka is within in rights to have the book seen as he wants, just as Cho can leave if he wants.

>>84500969
Fucking this.

>>84500969
Girl on girl is bad now? What?

>>84500985
it's not censorship, but I can see why Cho wouldn't want to stay.

>>84498140
This is not the same as any other of the cover controversies. Cho is in the wrong.

>>84500960
Rucka is literally Chris Chan.

>>84500870
What if Yanick wanted it to go into print though?

>>84500870
Yanick isn't an easily triggered baby and probably knows how work for hire works, so of course there's no outcry.

>>84501005
Amazing how you got that from my post. So if i took Apollo or Karma and turned them straight, that would be ok too?

>>84500982
Yeah, Kathy Kane was originally Devin Grayson's project
>Devin Grayson: Not really. My Kate was physically based on actress Jaime Murray and she was a lot more polished and private. I’m not sure, because I was never told, but I think part of the reason I lost that job was because I disliked the idea that she’d been involved with Montoya; I just felt like there weren’t enough lesbians in the DCU to have the few that we knew about hooking up with each other. My Kate also had a serious girlfriend, but she was a doctor. She didn’t have a twin sister or a blood-soaked origin and her father was not supportive of her sexuality. I feel like there’s a type of “strong, tough-as-nails” female we’re seeing over and over again in the DCU and I wanted to created something different; a woman whose strength is not defined by solely masculine terms.
>As an openly bisexual female, I was psyched to finally be in a position to “write what you know.” But I guess it was not to be; in the end, they decided to go with a male writer.

Love how she still shits all over Rucka there.

>>84501055
if it led to a hot pairing yeah

>>84501028
Then that's something he'd have to ask and compromise for, or do his own thing where he doesn't have to restrain himself to the regulations of a million dollar franchise factory.

He gets to post it anyways, it's just not in the book. It sucks but when you're a comic artist for hire you just have to move on. That's how these things work.

>>84501108
Hmm. Interesting perspective.

>>84501065

http://dcwomenkickingass.tumblr.com/post/10123847080/the-long-long-long-road-to-batwoman-1

did she create her, or did dc just give her the project before giving it to rucka?

either way, she was still written as a lesbian in 52, not as bisexual.

No one's gonna reply to you dummy

go back to your board

>>84501089
>caring about what /v/ thinks
Retard spotted.

>>84501199
She created her, outlined some of the book, and IIRC actually scripted an issue before she found out she got kicked off the project.

Once lesbian Batwoman got a lot of press and curiosity, they kicked her off the book without telling her, and shoved her into 52. That's why Kate was such a bland character in it.

>>84501227
Shhh, don't give it attention, he'll never leave

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>>84501055
>Make Karma straight
>Physically and Emotionally damaged Asian QT who still manages to be a sweet and helpful person
The fact she's gay is the only thing keeping me from being the most pathetic waifufag imaginable.

>>84501254
she only got a lot of press after it was announced she would show up in 52.

>>84498857
No. the Editors are in charge. They can tell Rucka to change. They can tell Cho to change.

Instead they're letting the cabin boy run the ship.

>>84498648
It's almost as if Cho could be giving a reason for his departure that paints him as the poor innocent victim.

>>84501646
What's this?

>>84501641
Thats why I'm suspicious.
But what could the actual reason be? Why would he be fighting with Greg if he didn't care about the cheesecake.

>>84501646

This is in Brazil, isn't it? I know because their cops dress like Darth Vaders for some retarded reason.

>>84501673
Rucka thinking some cunt blocking traffic and ignoring police order is powerful and even compared it to the Tienanmen Square incident.

>>84501646
I am so fucking tired of this picture. As someone from Baton Rouge I wanted to know if my city was going to burn and this is all I saw for 2 days.

>>84501704
>for some retarded reason.

Its because our organized crime use anti tank guns and other extreme things.

>>84501823
What happened to you?

>>84501704
>for some retarded reason
M8, that is a country that needs monsters like BOPE just to keep up with the fucking street tugs.

>>84501762
>I wanted to know if my city was going to burn

Jesus. I can't even imagine that kind of stress and all you get is retweets of >>84501646

>>84501823
>>84501886

I'm sorry, but this sounds like hyperbole. What's this? Marvel's New York with super-criminals walking around?

>>84501940
You really need to get out more. It's well known Brazil is a hellhole.

I don't get the appeal of Cho most of /co/ seems to have for him. His stuff really isn't that sexy. Is the world seriously that devoid of actually decent enough artists that draw thick girls and this is what is "good" when standards are low?

>>84501906
Honestly. Nothing happened. It was all over blown.

And we learn today the cops were in riot gear because some shits had broken into a pawn shop that morning and stolen guns and planned to shoot the cops. But they didn't have any fucking bullets.

>>84499825
>Rucka is such a huge bitch that DC lets him have his way just to avoid his huge tantrums
ftfy

>>84502023
He's a mainstream artist that draws cheesecake....that's literally it. His Wondy covers haven't even been that good.

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>>84502023
How do you not get the appeal? I can get you not liking his stuff, but the appeal is pretty easy to understand is it not?
He's a technically proficient artist. He draws sexy thick women and he draws them well. I can get people being bored with him since he's not really breaking his or anyone elses mold but can you really not understand why a guy with a good command of anatomy and inking would have a following?

>>84498140
Good

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>>84501940
Hyperbole?

Hahahahahhahahahaha

No, favelas are fortress and a good chunk of the people who live there are now soldiers. They use american army tier weapons.

>>84502200
By what? Being a slight inconvenience?

>>84499656
Rucka IS work for hire. This is DC's book, not Rucka's. Rucka is just a part of the assembly line process

>>84502244
"No, you move." She's a modern day Captain America.

>>84498648
>>84501641
Cho's a total fag. The only reason /co/ likes him is because "MUH THICC"

>>84502023

One of the few people left in comics that refuse to give into SJW demands

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>>84499282
How many Emmy's does Rucka have?

>>84502372
What did Cho win an Emmy for?

>>84502372
How many Eisner's does Cho have?

>>84502418
2011 The Emmy Award for the documentary: "Creating Frank Cho's World"

>>84502494
Except it's nothing but a local regional Emmy that only encompassed shit going on in DC.

So if you wanna get in this pissing match please explain why I should give two shits about winning a regional award about making a Washington Post cover compared to an award that includes content from all over the world.

>>84502431
>Eisners
You know that is a worthless reward if Bendis managed to win several.

>>84500779
>lite
Nigga he's the only writer that decompresses more than Bendis

>>84502543
>implying Alias, Daredevil, USM, and Powers aren't top tier quality

>>84502494
that's a great gif

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>>84498218
>>84498221
>>84498239
>>84498518
>>84498616
>>84499114
>>84501020
>>84502146
>>84501009

>>84502543
>Bendis has five (5)
>Starlin has zero (0)
Yup. That should tell you EVERYTHING about the award. It's more of a compliment for Cho that he DOESN'T have one.

>>84500960
He's not white, he's a jew.

Fuck Rucka. Should've given Wonder Woman back to Azzarello

>>84500313
>and he hasn't actually worked at Marvel

Why would he though?

>>84502687
Bendis won 4 of those awards for legitimately good books. Shit that everyone says is good and always recommended.

Starlin's only claim to fame once the Einser's were created is a shitty 90s crossover that he proceeded to just shit the bed on while masterbating over cosmic nonsense. Failing to ever match the low bar of quality even that had and failing to write his pet character Thanos in any compelling way ever again.

Yeah it tells you everything that a half baked writer like Starlin isn't on the same level as shit like Daredevil

>>84502787
>Shitting on Infinity Gauntlet and Starlin's Thanos
Wait, what the hell am i surprised for, you're defending Rucka.

>>84502692

Same thing /tv/ anon.

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>>84502787
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>>84502543
Don't forget Erica Henderson was nominated

>>84502830
IG is passable at best, at best, but it's a total cluster fuck of convoluted BS that blows up the universe for shock value while quoting off Nietzsche in the same manner every faggot going through an existential crisis in high-school does.

Everything that followed it was garbage and Thanos has been shit since he dropped the cosmic cube out of his helicopter.

Whaaaa Death doesn't love me whaaaaa fuck off Starlin your Darkseid ripoff is a joke and even you know it.

>345 replies
>99 posters
Please kill the single shitposting samefag in this thread

>>84501484
If the editor is smart he will do whatever it takes to make Rucka happy. He is the star here.

>>84502920
Literally kill yourself. Thanos was top tier until Thanos Imperative. After that, everything went to shit.
>Whaaaa Death doesn't love me whaaaaa
>The most intelligent, most dangerous being in the universe is motivated by unrequited love of an abstract concept as opposed to muh anti-life equation is shit writing
''People'' like this are allowed to live. IG is a masterpiece you pretentious faggot.

>>84502259

And he's the only reason I'm reading DC at all.

>getting mad over fucking variant covers
Didn't realize Rucka was such a manchild

>>84503133
How is this not expected when he is a male feminist that secretly wish he was a woman dating woman?

>>84503133
If Rucka's a manchild what does that make the person who went and bitched about it to fucking Bleedingcool?

>>84503178
A man with valid complaints about who he was working for. Cho wasn't trying to censor Rucka's art mate.

>>84503091
Thanos is shit tier. That half assed pseudo philosophical bull shit is exactly what make Starlin such a failure as a writer. He barely has a grasp on anything he himself has written confirmed by the fact that after trying for several decades now he still can't match his one moment in the spot light however dim that moment was.

Meanwhile Kirby's creation has gone on to actually be a focal point of the larger DC universe and represents an actual abstraction in personified form instead of the unoriginal crap Starlin swiped from Kirby's recycling bin.

This is why Wonder Woman is a secondary character that despite great potential rarely goes anywhere.

Warrior-woman will keep getting drawn, or casted, like a damned twig and only in politically correct poses unless god-tier writers that ignore people's e-pinions are brought in.

And people who complained about that image with her "underwear" can fuck right off. Even if it's not the secondary layer of leather skirt armor uses, it's no worse than skin-tight latex.

>you just want "thick"
No I want practical strength. Not a twig. Not dehydrated body-builder.

>>84503207
>A man with valid complaints
>instead of keeping it in house he goes crying to Rich Jonson
what a man
>censor
I thought 4chan hated OUTRAGE culture?

>>84503268
>implying he didn't try to keep it in house before he had enough of it

>I thought 4chan hated OUTRAGE culture?
The fuck are you even trying to say?

>>84503293
She thinks that Cho can't complain about a guy acting like a faggot at work, because one time he poked fun at a faggot on twitter about saying that he draws what he want.

Which doesn't make sense, but it is a crazy faggot saying that.

>>84502542
What about all the other Jews at Marvel and DC?