/swco/ - Star Wars Comics & Cartoons

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Old Rex = Nik Sant

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>>84244027
Who /celebrationhype/ here?
I want to see more star wars vidya game footage, Rogue One, Rebels and maybe an Episode VIII teaser?

>>84244027
I realized I was gay for Obi-Wan when he wore sexy mango armor.

>>84244080
I'll buy it.

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>>84244009
I have the full picture if you want it...

>>84244132
I wouldn't count on Episode VIII teaser or title. That'll probably come later this year. Rogue One will dominate here.

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>>84244137
:^)

>>84244150
Yes please.

>>84244198
Don't want to get into trouble, so I'm putting it on /aco/ >>>/aco/685274

And, of course, I missed an arrow

>>84244272
Thanks, anon. That pic was kinda SFW anyways.
No nipple = no ban.

>>84244323
Ah, yes, the American way. Not that I'm complaining

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>>84244199
I wonder, what was the explanation in which there were no fleets protecting the Death Star? Were the operations of the Death Star strictly off the record?

>>84244080
>Nik Sant
>Saint Nick
>Old man with bushy white beard

Come on Lucas

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>>84244694
Damn, too bad his blonde fuzz had to go to make this work.

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>>84242483
>I've realized that so I'm trying my hand at writing a little bit of padawan shenanigans as well. Mostly Ganodi/Biph and some other Shaak Ti stuff.
Hey, me too!
...of course my choice of padawans is a bit more unconventional.

>>84244782
Is that an evil R2 unit?

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>>84244838
>Is that an evil R2 unit?
Yes!
You're also looking at 6 of the very few characters in Star Wars who DON'T HAVE NAMES. (I know, I asked the writer of the episode and he dug out his scripts to check.)
So I'm making them up for the purposes of my story.

The Badawans, from the Sith Preparatory Academy on Mustafar, from Lego Yoda Chronicles episode 3!

>>84244080
Filoni said he desperately wants to make this retcon real but is still looking for approval from the Story Group.

What would actually prevent this from happening? It's not like Nik Sant was even noticeable.

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>>84244972
Maybe Rex's own role in Rebels. We simply don't know what will become of him. He's certainly going to appear more in season 3 now that Ahsoka is gone and we don't know if they're going to kill him off.

Am I the only one that got angry when they didn't show an episode dedicated to Rex and Ahsoka simply doing some kind of adventure like the good old days?

so apparently Adventures in Wild Space is/was getting/got released in the US?

>>84244686
Because Tarkin got cocky and thought the Death Star couldn't be defeated by anything.

>Were the operations of the Death Star strictly off the record?
This too. Lost Stars even had people on the Death Star itself that didn't know what it did, until Alderaan happened.

>>84245109
Got a source for that?

>>84245082
>>Am I the only one that got angry when they didn't show an episode dedicated to Rex and Ahsoka simply doing some kind of adventure like the good old days?
Shit, I never thought about this. Now I'm angry.

>>84244972
>What would actually prevent this from happening?
Means they can't kill him in Rebels.
THey'll keep it up in the air until Rebels finishes its run and they know if Rex survives.

>>84245109
the only place i've seen it was in a post by a mod on TFN's Lit board

"FYI it seems Disney-Lucasfilm Press will be publishing this series in the US after all. They've produced the first two books (more like one and a half I guess?) as a bind up.

More info when I get it."

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/star-wars-adventure-in-wild-space.50034615/page-5

quick question, I want to buy the blurays of episode 1-6 and clone wars can anyone point me in the right direction it seems amazons has multiple versions for the movies

>>84245270
aha, found it

https://www.hachettebookgroup.biz/search/publisher/?q=Disney%20Lucasfilm%20Press

look at the release dates down the page. The Snare and The Nest are going to be released November 15

>>84244943
>Badawans
what...

>>84245348
it's a joke

>>84245348
Sheev called them Badawans. They're called that like 30 times in the episode, never Padawans.

(Of course if you bot back into the original Sith language, 'badawan' could be read as "inductees into misery.")
Not joking about that. I looked up word roots.

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>yfw Vader killed them all

>>84245677
Shit, even the WOOK has a page about them

>>84245677
That's some pottery.

>>84245717
You sure? For all we know, a clone firing squad took care of them. It's not like Anakin had the time to go around the temple to kill every single youngling.

>>84245823
The point is that they were all killed.

>>84245717
I'm sure Byph survived.

>>84245297
bump I just want to watch them again

>>84246143
thepiratebay.org
Cheap as fuck.

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>tfw Bioware and Drew Karpyshyn shat all over this with their shit novels and MMO and we will never know what Obsidian had in store for the series

>>84246264
I like having a collection though

>>84245147
And hilariously, the First Order made the exact same mistake.

>>84246360
The First Order's MO seems to be "do everything the Empire did, only less competently"

Even their super-special-raised-as-warriors stormtroopers are barely better than the all-recruit army of dorks that the Empire had.

>>84245717
We know at least one fair-size group of Padawans got smuggled out of the Temple during the purge. Clone Wars Adventures volume 9.

One of them was a young Padawan called... hmm... Nia.
(Interesting coincidence, that.)

>>84245728
It does?
I was always astonished that Wookiepedia doesn't have a page about the Badawans. Where did I miss it?

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What is Rende thinking /swco/?

>>84246397
>Clone Wars Adventures volume 9.
Yeeeeah you know that's not canon, right?

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>>84246297
We do know what Obsidian had in store for the series, read any of Chris Avellone's interviews. The Exile and Revan go off to the Unknown Regions to fight the truth Sith.

>>84246574
Badawans attending a mofference when?

>>84246396
>Kylo gets beaten by a girl who just learned she could use the Force like three days before
>Phasma gets through down a trash chute after giving up as soon as she was threatened
>Knights of Ren apparently all get OHKO'd by Luke

Is Snoke the only villain who can still save their reputation as a threat?

>>84246596
Pfft.

>>84246639
Is that like a parent-teacher conference?
Only with Tarkin?

>>84246640
>Hux killed the Republic.

>>84246640
>Is Snoke the only villain who can still save their reputation as a threat?
Probably not, since he's shitting his pants at the idea of Luke coming back.

Plus all of the First Order's other failures reflect poorly on him since, you know, he's in charge. Even if he turns out to be a super badass who can get shit done, it doesn't change the fact that he hired a bunch of idiots, wasted money on a shitty Ultra Death Star that was poorly managed, and his dark side seduction was only good enough to produce Captain Butthurt.

So yeah, he's just like the rest of the FO, take something from the Empire except make it dumber. Snoke is their less competent answer to Palpatine.

>>84246741
Implying that Snoke isn't purposefully fostering Kylo to be Captain Butthurt so he can puppet him towards his ends. I don't get the impression that Snoke actually gives a fuck about the First Order either. We don't know what he wants yet.

I don't have a lot of hope for the character but I'm willing to see how he plays out. We barely know him as of now and it seems like that's on purpose.

>>84246719
Hard to tell if he gets credit for that, since the New Republic was structured in a way that Hosnian Prime being blown out doesn't necessarily cause the entire government to collapse. We'll have to wait and see how badly this affects them.

Either way, the gigantic failure that is the Starkiller Base and its lack of defenses are his fault. Plus he keeps championing his dad's baby-napping stormtrooper programming which hasn't proven to be all that great, so he owns that failure too.

>>84246787
I'm going to laugh if it turns out he's just a fanboy like Kylo. Every night he goes to his chambers and cries to a statue of Palpatine going "teach me how to be like you, I'm gonna finish what you started senpai!"

>>84246297
I mean, they knew where they were going. The True Sith Empire.

*cracks back*
Well that's the end of a 6 hour photoshop session!

G'nght /swco/!

>>84247328
*cracks dick*
Well...

>>84246841
Who wouldn't cry at the feet of a giant golden Sheev.

>>84247390
A giant golden Luke?

Just kidding, he cried like a bitch when he was being electrocuted.

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>>84241298
the material I've found so far is that axel braun parody
not to be picky, but she should have been more dominant to appear as the threat she was
Also killing the padawan to fuck the old guy was dumb writing
my villainess /ss/ needs will never be satisfied will they?

>>84248769
The only material so far*

>>84248417
>a giant golden statue of Sheev electrocuting Luke

He totally would commission something like that. A class act till the end Sheev.

>>84246640
Kylo was injured by Chewie's bowcaster. The fact that he still managed to fight Finn and Rey makes him a badass.

We don't know how the fight between Luke and the KoR will play out yet. He probably beats them, but they might be able to give him a hard challenge.

Hux killed more people than anyone else in the entire franchise. And even when he lost, he still survived, unlike Tarkin who got killed by his overconfidence.

Phasma is the only new villain who really is useless, but so was Boba Fett.

>>84246597
.................

>>84246640
>Kylo gets beaten by a girl who just learned she could use the Force like three days before
To be fair she's a chosen one, probably the embodiment of justice and balance of the light side to strike back at the 1,000 years of the Sith crippling it.

Honestly? Truthfully?

She probably needs to be more OP.

Like accidentally make darksiders experience their flesh sloughing off in her presence.

>>84249712
What did you think was going to happen?

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>day 3

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>>84249782
>treating rumors as fact

>>84250155
Rumors that have been debunked, on top of that

>>84250022
Is that sith lady burger king?

>>84250297
I think they're supposed to be Sith Disney Princesses

>>84249782

"chosen" wait what?

So far we've only ever had one of those.

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Now that this is canon, will we ever see Yoda fighting off monsters?

>>84244177
Dude... Episode 8 isn't out for another year and a half. Expect one next year.

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>>84250013
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>>84250031
>tfw you will never have a qt gf that cosplays star wars

>>84250577
I'd say a teaser is possible though, since they've said they will wrap on July 22.

>>84250577
I might be remembering timeline wrong but didn't we get something about VII a little over a year before its release?

>>84250737
They could probably make one but it's way to far off and besides, Rogue One needs to attention right now. I would expect a teaser on Rogue One's release.

>>84250777
Yeah I just checked. It came out in November 2014.

>>84250793
Yeah, there's definitely going to be a bunch of Rogue One footage!

>>84245823
>Implying Vader didn't call dibs on the Padawans

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>>84248769
There is only one villainess worthy of a good /ss/ story.

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Why is she so perfect?

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The body I've lost... the comrades I've lost... won't stop hurting... It's like they're all still there.

You feel it too, don't you?

>>84244027
What's the chronological order of the Vader/Star Wars/Vader Down comics?

>>84251217
Vader Down #1
Darth Vader #13
Star Wars #13
Darth Vader #14
Star Wars #14
Darth Vader #15

>>84251243
After what issue of Star Wars does Vader start?

>>84251256
They're basically concurrent. I believe the first issue of Vader basically recaps the first issue of SW from Vader's perspective. You could read in release order and that'd probably match up perfect, but you should be fine alternating between Volumes if that is easier.

>>84251256
Star Wars: Obi-Wan & Anakin #1-5
Star Wars: Darth Maul - Son of Dathomir #1-4
Star Wars: Kanan #1-12
Star Wars: Princess Leia #1-5
Star Wars: Chewbacca #1-5
Star Wars #1-3
Star Wars: Darth Vader #1
Star Wars #4
Star Wars: Darth Vader #2-3
Star Wars #5
Star Wars #6 (pages 1-17)
Star Wars: Darth Vader #4-5
Star Wars: Darth Vader #6 (pages 1-13)
Star Wars #6 (pages 18-20)
Star Wars: Darth Vader #6 (pages 14-20)
Star Wars #7 (#15 and #20 follow the story of the Journals of Old Ben Kenobi)
Star Wars #15
Star Wars #20
Star Wars #8-12
Star Wars Annual #1
Star Wars: Darth Vader Annual #1
Star Wars: Darth Vader #7-12
Vader Down #1
Darth Vader #13
Star Wars #13
Darth Vader #14
Star Wars #14
Darth Vader #15
Star Wars #16-19
Star Wars: Darth Vader #16-19
Star Wars: Darth Vader #20-25 (pending)
Star Wars #21-24 (pending)
Star Wars: Lando #1-5 (pending)
Star Wars: Han Solo #1-5
Star Wars: Shattered Empire #1-4
Star Wars: C-3PO #1
Star Wars: Poe Dameron #1-6

>>84249622
>Kylo was injured by Chewie's bowcaster. The fact that he still managed to fight Finn and Rey makes him a badass.

He swung his lightsabre around like a drunk teenager with a glow in the dark baseball bat before getting knocked on his arse by a teenage girl who had only just figured out how to turn a lightsabre on.

I like Kylo and hope they can salvage his character, but he's the weakest dark side user we've seen so far.

Live action Disney can't do stong villains

>>84251328
Thank you.

>>84251328
Oops. That pending should be on Han Solo, not Lando. Only one issue of Han is out so it's tentatively in that spot. Same goes with Darth Vader #20-25 and Star Wars #21-24 since their stories are not yet finished.

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What did he mean by this?

>>84249622
>Kylo was injured by Chewie's bowcaster. The fact that he still managed to fight Finn and Rey makes him a badass.
Getting injured by a single blaster shot hasn't stopped someone before. Either way he should've fallen back when he was clearly not thinking straight instead of being stubborn. I wouldn't even call that a fight to be honest. He was just swinging his lightsaber like a mad man and still got owned twice by people who literally had no fighting experience.

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>>84251399
>Getting injured by a single blaster shot hasn't stopped someone before.

Didn't you see the rest of the movie where it's clearly shown that Chewie's bowcaster was incredibly deadly, with it literally blowing 2 troopers away just from hitting the ground in front of them?

Pretty sure a normal dude wouldn't even survive a direct hit like Kylo did.

I do agree that the fight was a bit bullshit though, but still.

>>84251331
>I like Kylo and hope they can salvage his character, but he's the weakest dark side user we've seen so far.

Vader
Sheev
Dooku
Maul
Ventress
Savage

Imagine any of these guys in place of Kylo. I mean, I could imagine some keeping Rey alive to convert her but Finn would've dead in seconds. Let alone living long enough to get a good hit in.

How would Kylo fit among the Inquisitors?

>>84251331
>>84251399
It wasn't just a normal blaster shot, but the one weapon that was so powerful that Han Solo praised it like it was another falcon.

I honestly think that people who call Kylo a weak villain haven't even seen the movie. Like, Maul, Dooku, Vader and Sheev weren't injured when they battled the protagonists, but Kylo was so of course he wouldn't look as badass as the other villains when he is in a disadvantaged position. Watch him when he is at full health and you see someone who can stop blaster bolts and freeze people with the force.

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>>84251799
I assume that episode VII Kylo is as strong as episode I Maul.
Maul lost to a padawan, so I don't think he would've fared better against Rey if he was as injured as Kylo was. Maul is a better duelist, but Kylo clearly is stronger with the force.

>>84251738
>How would Kylo fit among the Inquisitors?

He's stronger in the force. But in spite of them being purposely trained wrong, I think they're a bit more refined than he is. He might be able to take one down in a one on one fight through sheer might. But if it's two or more, he's fucked.

>>84251876
>I assume that episode VII Kylo is as strong as episode I Maul.

lol Nope. Darth Maul would've been able to wipe the floor with Kylo. He will never measure up to the power and skill of a Sith Lord.

>Maul lost to a padawan

A padawan who was trained by one of the best swordsmen in the order, and would go on to be recognized as one of their best in a few years to come. Don't go and try to undersell Obi-wan.

>>84251876
Maul was outsmarted by a padawan days away from undergoing the Great Trials and after besting a Jedi Master.

Rey is the equivalent of a freshly-recruited youngling not a padawan.

And how old was Maul anyway?

>>84251928
>lol Nope. Darth Maul would've been able to wipe the floor with Kylo. He will never measure up to the power and skill of a Sith Lord.

Sorry, but you're biased. Kylo is a Skywalker so his potential is basically unlimited. Maul tends to be overrated because he is a badass duelist but we've never seen him do anything that comes even close to Kylo freezing Rey in place and knocking her out without even breaking a sweat. That's how powerful he is when he's not severely injured.

>A padawan who was trained by one of the best swordsmen in the order, and would go on to be recognized as one of their best in a few years to come. Don't go and try to undersell Obi-wan.

Yep, but it's not like Rey is a nobody either. She is already so powerful that everyone complains about her being overpowered. Plus, keep in mind that Kylo never even tried to kill her while Maul tried to kill Obi-Wan.

>>84251928
>skill
Yes. As of now.

>power
No. He already has more raw power than most, he just doesn't know how to UNLIMITED POWER yet.

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>>84251643
See this is what pisses me off. I always thought Chewie's bowcaster could charge itself to make it more powerful just like in the Lego star wars which makes sense. But in the TFA it's like they just do it for the plot. Here you see Han using it to open the doors and barely even flinched yet in other scenes people go flying everywhere. If the shot Chewie took at Ren was as powerful as the shots like the pic you posted, Ren would've been knocked off the platform. Can't exactly blame them for trying to make someone who holds a lightsaber go against two people who had no fighting experience whatsoever to be convincing.

>>84251799
No, we're just not in complete denial like some people here. We never got to see Ren properly in action in the movie. For a guy who's clearly strong with the force that's able to stop blaster shots, he certainly would've been able to sense other people in the same room as him and would've been able to dodge that shot he would've seen coming miles away.

>>84252005
>And how old was Maul anyway?

Isn't he around the same age as Obi-wan? I know someone her calculated his age here and said he should only be around 50 in Rebels.

>>84252009
>Kylo is a Skywalker so his potential is basically unlimited

I wouldn't go that far. Anakin's potential was probably unlimited what with being a construct of the force. Kylo is not. While I don't argue that he's powerful and aught to have a shitload of potential on account of being a scion of a being who was created by the force, I do contest that he's only scratched the surface of what he can do. The only impressive thing he's done was freeze a blast bolt in mid air. Other than that, he's incredibly sloppy, untrained, and unstable. All of which Darth Maul is not. Darth Maul was a fully trained Sith Lord. Yes, Kylo is powerful. But raw power isn't as effective if it isn't focused, which Kylo sure as hell is not. Any Sith, not just Maul, should be able to hand Kylo's ass to him.

>but it's not like Rey is a nobody either.

She kinda is though.

>>84252127
And Kylo is almost 30. Keeps looking worse for Mr. Edgelord.

>>84252090
>For a guy who's clearly strong with the force that's able to stop blaster shots, he certainly would've been able to sense other people in the same room as him and would've been able to dodge that shot he would've seen coming miles away.

You realize that this happened right after he killed his own father, right? He couldn't stop Chewie's attack because he was distracted and emotionally unstable. The novelization confirms that.
I think that was the whole point of that scene. When Kylo is in control, he is absolutely unstoppable, like Vader was. (Stopping the blaster bolt, interrogating Poe, freezing Rey, etc...)
But when he's not in control, then he is a pathetic mess who can't do anything. (Like after he killed his dad)

That doesn't make him weak, it actually makes him more realistic.

>>84252147
>Any Sith, not just Maul, should be able to hand Kylo's ass to him.

Look, the point I'm trying to make is that Kylo is powerful and not as weak as people assume right now. I'm not saying that he would beat Maul in a battle, but he certainly has much more potential and raw power than Maul does. For example, Anakin lost against Obi-Wan, but no one would say that Obi-Wan is more powerful than Anakin.

>>84252127

Maul is probably around 5 to 10 years older. Obi-wan was around 25, Maul in the 30-35 range. So in rebels, he'd be about 60, 62-ish.

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>>84251398
Desintegrations are brutal, even for Vader.

>>84252208
>Obi-wan was around 25, Maul in the 30-35 range.

*in TPM

Sorry. Should've been more specific.

>>84252090
>But in the TFA it's like they just do it for the plot.
Welcome to "JJ Abrams filmmaking 101"

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>>84252202
That's not realistic in the slightest. He literally fell out with his parents long ago so it shouldn't have felt anything for them and him killing his father that easily proves that. This guy apparently wiped out the jedi, kill innocent people and blew up planets but killing his own father which he avoided for a long time would cause him to mope around for a good while. I could probably buy it if he was shot from behind without warnings but Finn and Rey literally screamed and then Chewie screamed for a few seconds before taking a shot. How would that not alert him out of it? Besides from this, he actually hasn't went up against anyone nearly as equal as him that we know of. From what we know he's wiped out the jedi (probably kids) with the help of others, killed defenceless innocent people and only fought against people weaker than him e.g. Finn, Rey and Poe.

Deny it all you want but right now Ren is a weak, laughable villain. Hopefully they actually do him some justice in the next film.

>>84252444
I'm not sure how you think family works. Especially in Star Wars. Also, long ago? He's been completely severed from them for maybe around 7 or so years. Remember that Bloodline changed what was thought to be the timeline. That's not enough time for someone who has to force himself to be Dark Side to just decide "fuck my parents". He's tried to do that, but he can't. That's the point.

If you thought he killed Han easily, you weren't watching the movie. The script literally outright states that it fucked with him. That's why he wasn't able to sense or block Chewie's bowcaster shot, which was pointedly there and pointedly built up as powerful specifically so we know that when it hits Kylo, he's hurt damn bad. They crippled him significantly to justify him losing that fight.

He's a weak villain, but it's not supposed to be about his weak power level. Everything else demonstrated that he's very strong with the Force. He's a mental and emotional mess and that hinders his enormous Skywalker potential.

https://youtu.be/66QaJFAj3PI
Memes have transcended

Thinking about watching CLone Wars. I recall the first X seasons being fucking horrible.

When does the show start being good?

>>84253026
Season 3 is when the show gets a cash injection by Lucas, and everything gets better as a result, scripts and visuals alike. The show only improves over time.

Don't skip anything. Watch it all. Decide for yourself what is good and what isn't. S3 and onward and you'll always have a great time.

Who would you invite /swco/?
https://twitter.com/starwars/status/749992560299380737
>Which #TheForceAwakens character would you invite to your #IndependenceDay barbecue? #StarWarsAsks

>28%Rey
>22%Finn
>26%Poe Dameron
>24%Kylo Ren

>>84251331
Watching it I just got this feeling Kylo's heart and mind weren't into the fight? The whole time it felt like his mind was elsewhere, like he was reliving Han's death again in his mind. He fought powerfully, but like a machine, not like the skilled fighter he must be.

He probably wasn't even toying with Finn, he just didn't feel like killing him right after he killed his father.

>>84253370
>votong for Kylo

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>>84253370
I don't know about Kylo Ren, but I might invite Matt.

Just kidding, Matt sucks.

Kylo is going to be shown to be a huge badass in the inevitable "Knights of Ren" comic, using abilities he hever even hinted in the ST he can do. Just like every movie -> EU character ever.

>>84253476
that has never happened in the nucanon

ever

>>84253491
Literally happened to Vader.

>>84253512
The only thing the Vader comic did that couldn't be extrapolated from the OT was have Vader tear apart an AT-AT, and that's entirely in line with his Chosen One potential described in the PT.

>>84253476
I'd be okay with him being an omega badass after he trains with Snoke

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>>84253544

The novels show him being capable of more. But like you said in regards to the comic, it's in line with what he's implied to be capable of based on the PT/TCW.

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>>84244132
I'm really, REALLY worried about Rogue One, I hope what they show at SWC changes my mind.

>>84253476
I'm pretty sure he's going to be a badass in episode VIII anyway. Snoke literally confirmed that by saying that he will finish Ren's training.

>>84253829
Whatever they show at SWC probably won't be significant enough to sway you in either direction. They'll probably have a panel with some of the crew, maybe a teaser for a teaser.

>>84253370
>people voting a small goblin boy over Poe "The Broe" Dameron

>>84245823
Yeah, Vader was busy dueling Anakin Skywalker while he defended the younglings from the 501st!

>>84253883
>a teaser for a teaser
please god no

>>84252444
>This guy apparently wiped out the jedi, kill innocent people and blew up planets but killing his own father which he avoided for a long time would cause him to mope around for a good while.

Uh, yes? Killing your own parents should be much more difficult than murdering some random villagers. It doesn't even matter how much he despises his parents, they are still the guys who raised him. They know everything about Kylo and he knows everything about Han and Leia and he probably cared about them at one point in his life.

Hell, Vader didn't even know his son and he still cared about him and saved him in the end. Family is one of the biggest themes in Star Wars, so it really would have felt strange if Kylo wasn't affected by his father's death.

>>84252859
>He's a weak villain
Assuming you're the same guy, why are you backpedalling now? Literally this whole discussion started because you claimed edgelord was a great villain and compared him to everyone else.

>>84253942
Honestly, I'd be happy with Finn.

Seems like just as bro as Poe

>>84254225
I'm not the same guy. And I don't think that a "weak" villain is necessarily a bad one anyways. I think he's a good villain and character and he would have been much more boring as some complete badass.

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How should her character proceed in VIII?

>>84254319
>bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJVt8kUAm9Q

>>84254319
Isn't John Boyega supposedly a cunt?

>>84254444
Give her some character flaws that have actual repercussions. Have her lose, then she learns from the experience.

>>84254451
No, he's based.

>>84253942
It's all the actual totally girl-fans™ who love themselves a perfect totally not poorly written notMary Sue character.

>>84254451
He seems a little arrogant for my tastes but I haven't heard anything about him being an asshole.

>>84254451
Isn't everybody at some point?

>>84254444
Evil.
Have her go dark.
It's the only natural direction they can go with her.

>>84254524
They won't make her go full dark, but they really need to push her much darker than Luke ever got. It's the only way to differentiate her and give her real struggles.After all, Rey has ample reason to tap into the dark side considering her past.

The most unique situation would be a switcheroo with Rey and Kylo (temporarily, at least) but I can't see them going quite that far. Plus it'd be hard to do that within the time of one and a half movies, on top of all the shit going on with Finn and Poe, etc and not make it seem contrived.

>>84254444
Let her fail at everything in VIII. Not only will it make her character more compelling but it will also shut up her critics.
Bonus points if she loses a limb.

>>84254583
>Bonus points if she loses a limb
That would be right in any other fiction that isn't Star Wars.

>>84254451
Well he did used to go mugging white women so I can see why people would think that.

>>84254621
What? Losing limbs is Star Wars bread and butter.

>>84254621
>Anakin (multiple times), Luke, Dooku, Vader, Mace

>>84254689
Don't forget 3PO!

>>84254557
Yeah, they really need t do something with Rey that we haven't seen before.
And yeah they're not going to have Rey go dark, she's "too precious" now. They can't have their selling point be evil.

I'd love for Rey and Kylo to switch. Sort of have Snoke betray Kylo, for Rey. Or something like it.

>>84254689
>>84254724
And Maul. If no one loses a limb, it can't really be called a Star Wars movie.

>>84254689
You forgot Maul, Maul, Maul, Grievous, Grievous, Grievous, Grievous and Grievous.

>>84254583
Those critics would then turn their anger toward the franchise for ruining the best thing to happen to the franchise since the utopia that is the Nightsister society.

>>84254656
That's what I'm saying. I wouldn't mind if they gave her a prosthetic arm, but it wouldn't be that outlandish or extraordinary.

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>>84254634
I can believe that

>>84254583
Everything points to Kylo losing the limb. Almost all of his concept art has a robot hand in common.

I can see them having Luke do it as a parallel of what Vader did to him. Especially if the rumors that he wants Kylo dead are true. It might be somewhat of a wake up call if Luke notices that he's being Vader-like.

>>84255039
Almost all of the concept art for TFA showed we'd get some cool planets. That didn't happen.

>>84254950
I was actually going to attach that to my post but I'm glad somebody got the reference.

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>>84255039
>Almost all of his concept art has a robot hand in common.
Are you talking about this concept art?

Fuuuuuuuuuuuck I'm so hyped for Celebration. How much new stuff was announced last year? I feel like there isn't much announced for late 2016/early 2017 right now.

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>>84255239
That's one of them. There are multiple.

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>>84255259
Me too Anon me too.

>>84255259
We may just be stuck with the little bit of stuff coming out later this year. At best we'll hear about some new comics to replace Han and TFA's limited runs and maybe see what will replace Vader as another ongoing or another limited.

>>84255259
Last year was just the TFA second teaser, Battlefront, and supposedly a closed-door showing of a Rogue One teaser.

>>84254451
He's nice. He's been doing guest appearances and shout outs for a lot of them people he knew before he 'made it'.

Dunno where him being an arrogant cunt came from.

>>84254506
Girls have a lot of insecurity. Most insecure women I know ADORE Rey, namely women I've met online or at university. My aunt, who's a big SW fan and a pretty confident, self assured woman, thinks Rey sucks and is disgusted that they'd cast a girl who doesn't even like Star Wars when(I think she assumes) there are so many good actresses that do.

IMO, Rey isn't a bad character, her actress is just fucking shit and the pacing of TFA did no favors for bad actors.

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>>84255429
>and supposedly a closed-door showing of a Rogue One teaser.
More than supposedly, it actually happened. That's how the well-informed fans knew that Rogue One was going to be a thing with no Jedi or force bullshit up until the first public trailer came out this past April. Too bad they appear to have gone back on the no Force thing, by having the monk be force sensitive and Vader in.

>>84255429
Also the first episodes of Rebels S2 were shown at Celebration behind closed doors.

>and supposedly a closed-door showing of a Rogue One teaser
It happened, attendees were treated to this teaser.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7CbqdBhO2A

>>84255487
>Too bad they appear to have gone back on the no Force thing, by having the monk be force sensitive and Vader in.
The crew themselves described the movie at Celebration that year as a film where there are no wizards with magical powers to save the protagonists this time around, and that it will be a war movie. I dearly hope that is still the case.

>>84254472
so lose a hand? like the middle movie in every SW trilogy?

>>84255487
>>84255564
Chirrut might be able to use the force, but that doesn't mean that he's capable of doing what a Jedi could do. I bet he's just there to hold off Vader while the other protagonists try to escape.

>>84255487
I wonder if they added the force stuff in reshoots, or just changed their mind midway through production and wrote in new shit. Which might explain the name changes.

>>84255564
See, that's the kind of tone I was looking forward to. Its brief and everything, but you can get a glimpse of what they are (or were) shooting for.

>>84255487
>the monk be force sensitive

Um.. I coulda swore they confirmed he isn't force sensitive. He's just a Jediboo.

>>84255310
I don't think those leaked concept art have anything to do with the new trilogy anymore. It looked like they were going to go with route with grave robbers getting their hands on empire stuff including vader's helmet and some sith material who then become the new sith lords and you could probably guess where it will go from there. Honestly, it would've been better if they went with that instead of what we got.

>>84255638
>Which might explain the name changes
What name changes?

>>84255696
He clearly is or else he couldn't fight stormtroopers with a stick while being blind.

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>>84244080
I'd buy THAT for a dollar!

>>84255718
It went from Star Wars Anthology: Rogue One to Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

>>84255724
>He clearly is or else he couldn't fight stormtroopers with a stick while being blind.

I'll consider him as force sensitive as Zatoichi until it's implied otherwise.

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Opinions on Thrawn possibly being the main antagonist of season 3?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQawX1QZICk

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>>84255871
Eh. More Tarkin in the background would be fun.

>>84255871
>Opinions on Thrawn possibly being the main antagonist of season 3?

I'll accept it so long as they change him to Human and they kill him off. If not than I hope it's fake.

>>84255911
Tarkin was great. I love how, as soon as he appeared in the show, it immediately jettisoned the "kid-friendly Disney" fluff.

>>84255310
Kylo's the kind of edgy loser I could see as cutting off his own hand just to seem deeper and more like his idol Vader.

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>>84255943
Tarkin has the best facial expressions, and they are all in that one scene in where he arrives on Lothal.

More Tarkin Darth Filoni pls

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>>84255436
My girlfriend is kind of insecure, but she didn't like Rey.
She thought she was questionably overpowered doing unexplainable stuff.

But yeah, it is definitively something about them wanting a power fantasy to project on.
And Daisy Ridley is indeed absolutely terrible. She's a horrible voice actor as well in, the Lego The Force Awakens game.

>>84255259
Last year we got a shitload of books talked about, toys, the TFA trailer, Rogue One info, Battlefront, and Rebels Season 2.

This year will probably be;

>Rogue One Trailer
>Maybe some Han Solo info, or at least a proper name for the movie
>MAYBE a revelation on the third anthology movie, or a tease
>Books
>Maybe Comics
>Rebels Season 3 Trailer
>A Filoni/Pablo Bro-Op Panel revealing stuff about Ahsoka
>Toys
>Battlefront Death Star DLC shilling
>And if we're lucky, more info on other Star Wars vidya

And of course, you can always expect the unexpected. Like a surprise announcement for a new cartoon or tv show or something.

Celebration is very exciting. Way more exciting than E3.

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>Pablo: What are the role of Jedi in [Rogue One]?

>Gareth Edwards: An Era where there is no Jedi, or they are all but extinct. And it's about the fact that God's not coming to save us, we're on our own and we'll have to do this ourselves, we have to turn this around. The abscence of the Jedi is omnipresent in the film...and it comes down to a group of individuals who don't have magical powers that have to somehow help bring hope to the galaxy.

https://youtu.be/5D6spDQRQY0?t=14m6s

That was a year ago, from the Rogue One Panel at Celebration 2015. What do you think /co/, are we still on course for that vision?

>>84256156
>>Maybe some Han Solo info, or at least a proper name for the movie

"Han Solo: A Star Wars Anthology"

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>>84255436
>her actress is just fucking shit

Daisy Ridley is an excellent actor, and played the character with the range of emotions she was written to have.

Rey is a simplistic character, but two dimensional is deeper than Luke Skywalker ever was in ANH.

>>84256407
I want her to shit on my chest so I can eat it with a spoon... if you catch my drift.

>>84256407
She was clearly the weakest of the main cast in TFA. She sounded like she was reading from cue cards for half of her lines.

>>84256407
I dunno, I found it hard to read any emotion into Rey's actions and expressions.

Maybe she's just not got a very emotive face?

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>>84256474
>BB-8: "beep beep boop baap booop"
>Rey: "Naaooo!"

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>>84256474
>She was clearly the weakest of the main cast in TFA. She sounded like she was reading from cue cards for half of her lines.

She is playing a tough scavenger with a heart of gold who gets drawn into a space opera she doesn't want to be a part of.

Was she supposed to be Brando? She can't speak more lines then she's given. Rey was a fairly blunt character that Ridley gave some elegance to.

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>>84256564
Found the Disney shill

>>84256407
She is a good actress, the interrogation scene was especially good. Rey is just a poorly written character.

>>84256655
>>84256564
I suppose she didn't have much to work with.

I'd have to see another film.

>>84256112
None of them are much of voice actors according to that game. Which isn't that much of a surprise; acting and voice acting go less hand in hand than most people think.

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>>84256614
>Found the Disney shill

You know, I had heard hardcore SW fans were insular and cruel when they were in between movies, desperate for new content, but I think some of you guys are just outright delusional.

TFA isn't the six hour space opera you lot wanted it to be, and it never was gonna be. You guys are weighing the collective weight of nostalgia for the OT AND the PT against TFA.

TFA is just TFA, a one-and-done, no more badly acted or redundant to star wars than Return of the Jedi was.

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>>84256655
>Rey is just a poorly written character.

Simply written. Simply written.

Luke started as whiny farmboy who happened to be a savant pilot capable of hitting an exhaust port no bigger than a whomp rat.

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>>84256655
>>84256671
This. As much as I think she was the weaker part of the film, there's plenty to build upon on VIII.

>>84256724
He had a lot of practice. Not like it's his first or second time hitting a small target.

>>84256655
She's fine but still the weakest of the new cast easily.

>>84256407
>>84256474
I don't know why but to me it looks like her see shown more emotion in that gif alone than most of TFA. That reminds me when someone posted a clip from the lego star wars game here a while ago and the delivery of her lines were atrocious.
https://youtu.be/eoMocS0niG0?t=131

>>84256689
You're absolutely right but did you know they got Daisy to dub the Only Yesterday film?

>>84256689
They probably just phoned it in because who cares about Lego Star Wars? I doubt they actually tried to hard. I wouldn't be surprised if most of it was just first take shit.

>>84256844
>who cares about Lego Star Wars?
...

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>>84256787
>He had a lot of practice. Not like it's his first or second time hitting a small target.

And Rey was a scavenger on Jakku for a decade. People still whine she could swing a lightsaber like it's wildly different from a staff.

>>84256890
Because even with practice, he couldn't do it all himself. He would've died multiple times in that trench run if it wasn't for the rest of the squadron and Han preventing him from getting shot to hell. And they showed with the other gunner that it's not impossible, you just need some good concentration without people firing at you.

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>>84256838
>I don't know why but to me it looks like her see shown more emotion in that gif alone than most of TFA.

She's got the range .

>>84256706
>TFA isn't the six hour space opera you lot wanted it to be
Nobody wanted a six hour space opera. We wanted a fresh take on Star Wars, and they couldn't even do that.

>>84256959
Not to mention Luke needing saving multiple times.

I think what bothers me is Rey knowing more about the Falcon than Han

Test.

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>>84257068
>Nobody wanted a six hour space opera.

Yes you did. Collectively, star wars fans are insatiable for new star wars. You always want more.

>We wanted a fresh take on Star Wars, and they couldn't even do that.

TFA had to wear many hats, simultaneously reintroducing the OT characters and in Han Solo's case giving him one last adventure before he was murdered, while also introducing new characters, locations, and a status quo while having the film be recognizable as Star Wars.

Some of those choices are commercial: Starkiller base is the third and last time they can get away with a a death star as a setting.

But let's not pretend George didn't include characters so they could become toys. Han Solo lived in RoJ because regardless of how static it meant Han and Leia were as characters because a happy ending would sell more toys.

The Force "Awakens" is the narrative of the film: the saga starts to begin again. Not "the saga star ad gets rolling. By the end of TFA the balance of power between the remains of the First Order and New Republic are set equally, and Rey just meets Luke, the promise of a new adventure left dangling.

People wanted Return of the Jedi part 2 with Mark Hamill deaged by 30 years. It's an opportunity that's over and was never gonna be the story of TFA.

>>84256959
That's the thing people are forgetting- there was a lot of tension during the trench run before Luke finally nailed it. The Empire had taken out all but two members of the attack force, it was down to just Luke. The tension and payoff didn't rely on Luke being super-special, they relied on him being able to trust in something other than his own abilities, and to have others covering him.

The difference with both Rey's victory and the entire dogfight at Starkiller Base is that the movie doesn't build that sort of believable tension. We're told outright that Rey is super-special and stronger than she knows. Kylo's already suffered several wounds by the time he fights Rey, and Rey doesn't lose the upper hand very often in the fight.

The X-Wings, meanwhile, are a bunch of people we barely know. This is true in ANH, but we get to see more of them during the battle and it lasts long enough for us to start caring about Biggs, Wedge, Red Leader, etc. Even some of the secondary pilots help the story because we see them attempting what Luke will eventually attempt, and failing- not only humanizing them but showing how difficult the trench run is. The only pilot we really know is Poe- others like Wexley get lines but they never feel important and don't really contribute anything to the scene. There's no imminent danger to the pilots, the battle itself isn't particularly difficult, and we're not really given much reason to be concerned.

Next thread should be called The Fourth Awakens

>>84256706
It's like the Zelda cycle. People will love TFA and hate on RO instead soon.

>>84257267
Why are you so desperate to defend a mediocre movie and a boring character? TFA did offered nothing truly new or unique to the franchise, had an almost literal Mary Sue for a main character, a villain whose potential peaked less than 45 minutes into the movie, and followed the plot of the original so closely beat for beat that even the most brain dead audience members complained about it.

It wasn't a bad movie by any means, but you're the one who's acting defensive because people in this thread don't like it.

>>84257267
>Yes you did.
Okay, just saying "yes you did!" doesn't make it true.

>TFA had to wear many hats, simultaneously reintroducing the OT characters and in Han Solo's case giving him one last adventure before he was murdered, while also introducing new characters, locations, and a status quo while having the film be recognizable as Star Wars.
Here's the thing- you can do all those things without straight rehashing the OT. This movie did nothing new or inventive, and it played almost entirely towards the nostalgia audience. This isn't even something we're assuming, this is something we know from interviews.

You seem to treat this as if it was some impossible task to balance these things.

>>84257267
>TFA had to wear many hats, simultaneously reintroducing the OT characters and in Han Solo's case giving him one last adventure before he was murdered, while also introducing new characters, locations, and a status quo while having the film be recognizable as Star Wars.
And it had to be boring and derivative in order to do that? This was a poorly made movie that relied heavily on people wanting nostalgia and explosions without creating a new story or making an endearing central cast. You can introduce a new character in a movie and not have to wait until the sequel for them to become interesting. You seem to think reintroducing the OT characters was a huge task but the only one that gets any real significant story importance is Han- Chewie is just kind of there, Leia is relegated to the "military commander" role and has very little presence in the movie (and most of her character moments are scenes with Han), Luke and Artoo are out of play until the end, Threepio barely does anything... I'm sorry, what time needed to be spent reintroducing characters that are barely in the movie?

>>84257292
Eh, I agree that the climactic DS battle in ANH was far more exciting than the short attack on Starkiller Base, but the comparison doesn't really work since Poe's attack isn't the actual climax of the movie. The climactic battle was the lightsaber fight between Kylo and Rey and that was really well directed.
I would compare TFA's third act to ROTJ's third act. Sure, the space battle in ROTJ was good (not so much the ground battle), but everyone would focus more on the confrontation between Luke and Sheev because that was the true climax of the movie, not the space battle.

>>84256156
Comics for sure. Han Solo and TFA adaptation end in October so they'll have replacements

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>>84256474
This. She also never really fucked up like Luke did. Luke always had to be bailed out by someone, whether it was Obi-wan, Han, Leia, his dad, or Lando Calrissian. Rey, on the other hand, is ALWAYS bailing everyone else out or herself out, or showing how super smart and a "strong womyn" she is!

Remember when Leia kept getting captured and needed to be rescued, but was still tough as fucking nails and knew how to fight back and saved her friends as often as they saved her? Fallibility is important, as it makes the character human and relatable.

>>84257267
Stop posting

>>84257326
>>84257378
>>84257441
Stop replying


Have John Williams

https://youtu.be/1vy3jSoT6CU

>>84257441
>Chewie is just kind of there

Stopped reading right there. Sorry, but TFA was Chewie's best movie by far.

>>84257326
>Why are you so desperate to defend a mediocre movie and a boring character?

Because I thought it was fun.

It's all but labeled as Part 1 of something bigger, and it succeeds at being the first steps into a new saga.

>TFA did offered nothing truly new or unique to the franchise,

Crossguard lightsaber, BB8, a traitorous stormtrooper joining the resistance, a force user stopping a bolt in mid-air, a psychic duel between force users, a battle on a snowy frozen machine world, etc. But fine, it could have broken more ground.

>had an almost literal Mary Sue for a main character,

Oh you'e one of those types of critics. I should discard you right here and now, but I'll humor you.

>a villain whose potential peaked less than 45 minutes into the movie, and followed the plot of the original so closely beat for beat that even the most brain dead audience members complained about it.

Return of the Jedi did it too! I'm not happy with the Starkiller base third act, I found the duel between Rey and Kylo to be far more personal and captivating, but it's also a star wars movie and there's only so many things they can blow up. It's not the best narrative conceit they could have chosen, but it's what they went with.

>It wasn't a bad movie by any means, but you're the one who's acting defensive because people in this thread don't like it.

This thread is an act of cannibalism by famished fans. I thought it was a pretty good star war.

>>84257497
Fuck off.

This guy is clearly baiting you Anons. No one can be this delusional.
But at least he's bumping the thread.

>>84257492
Rey's biggest flaw and biggest Mary Sue trait was that everyone liked her immediately. Literally everyone. Even Kylo is fascinated with her and doesn't want to hurt her or kill her.

That's unacceptable for any character you want to be seen as fleshed out and complex.

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>>84257378
>Here's the thing- you can do all those things without straight rehashing the OT. This movie did nothing new or inventive, and it played almost entirely towards the nostalgia audience. This isn't even something we're assuming, this is something we know from interviews.
>You seem to treat this as if it was some impossible task to balance these things.

How were they supposed to? For all of George Lucas's talk, TFA is built on the backbone of his story pitch, and things like Finn being a turncoat stormtrooper and Kylo being Han's son instead of Luke's were changes Abrams made.

I feel like you're blaming Disney for not being able to invent a new color to add to the rainbow for TFA.

Rogue One is trying to have more star wars by having "less" star wars. The solutions you want might not really exist.

>>84257530
>It's all but labeled as Part 1 of something bigger

Not that anon you're responding to, but that was actually one of my problems with TFA. It followed the modern superhero movie formula of "we're going to have many sequels so let's just plant the seeds for those instead of having a satisfying stand-alone experience." You can watch the first Star Wars movie and never watch the sequels and you will be 100% satisfied. You can even watch the Phantom Menace and get a story that seems complete. You watch The Force Awakens and you get a shitload of unexplained mysteries and zero closure. You don't know who Rey is, you don't know who Snoke is, Maz Kanata is a complete mystery, what happens with Luke is a mystery, and every single villain survives. It's just a bunch of loose ends and doesn't feel complete in any meaningful way.

And this is coming from someone who liked TFA.

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>>84257569
D'oh. Fuck, never thought about that.

>>84257617
Not that Anon, but I think I can speak for the majority here on that Rogue One is probably the type of Star Wars movie we literally want and need.

>>84257497
Allow me to respectfully retort:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uoCsZJkmjE

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>>84257441
>And it had to be boring and derivative in order to do that?

It wasn't boring, and it was less derivative than you're accusing it of being.

>This was a poorly made movie

Okay now you're just exaggerating. It was better put together than almost every other Star Wars movie.

>that relied heavily on people wanting nostalgia and explosions without creating a new story or making an endearing central cast.

Casual audiences mostly did want nostalgia. They ache for it. Hardcore SW fans just resent themselves for also buying into it.

And people loved the new cast. Kylo was divisive but he also murdered the fuck out of his father and beloved fan favorite Han solo.

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>>84257644
Bah, if it doesn't have alien main characters, I don't want it!

>>84257530
>Crossguard lightsaber, BB8, a traitorous stormtrooper joining the resistance, a force user stopping a bolt in mid-air, a psychic duel between force users, a battle on a snowy frozen machine world, etc. But fine, it could have broken more ground.

Oh a new Saber, we certainly don't have saberstaves or Curved Hilt sabers. BB8 was great, sure, but at the end he's just a new R2, not anything unique. Stormtrooper joining the goodguys is new sure, but only in the main movies. We've seen that before, most notably with Han's original backstory. Stopping the bolt in mid air is cool, except that he never did it again, and in fact ends up getting shot anyway. Psychic battle between Force users again, hasn't happened in movies but we've seen in other media. Battle on a Frozen world? I mean, sure, ignoring Hoth, yeah I guess Starkiller base is completely unique...

And how the fuck can you say that Kylo and Rey had more emotion than Vader and Luke. That makes no sense.

And yes, Rey is an almost literal Mary Sue. Her only fault was being afraid after the force vision, but she immedietly overcomes that fear with little effort, than proceeds to do something that in the OT was explicitly a power meant to demonstrate Obi-Wan's Mastery of the Force, and Luke's coming of age and earning the mantle of Jedi, and she does it with literally no training or knowledge that its even a thing she can do.

>>84257569
Han immediately liking her was bullshit. He's really not the kind of guy who quickly takes a shine to people.

Speaking of Harrison Ford, would it be considered heresy to say that I enjoy Kingdom of the Crystal Skull more than Force Awakens?

All of you are entirely too young to know how it was before Jedi came out - the complaints a lot of you all are having about TFA (loose plot threads, can't stand alone as a movie, too many unanswered questions, etc.) was exactly what people said about Empire.

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>>84257497
Good taste.

>>84257624

That's fair, Disney was clearly confident they were at a minimum making a new trilogy.

It's like, Rey had to be treated as very enigmatic because modern audiences will quickly brainstorm every variation of how she could be related to someone. That's just a fact of making a movie in the 21st century.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

>>84257644

And I'm glad Disney is painting with two brushes.

>>84257739
No. Because Kingdom of the Crystal Skull actually stands on its own as a unique sequel that moves the franchise forward and doesn't rehash Raiders of the Lost Arc.

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>>84257715
I'm with you Anon, but I think Rogue One will push all the right buttons except a bunch of Aliens.
We do get the sidekick guys though, which is more than TFA!

>>84257378
They act like they made TFA a rehash on purpose to ease fans back into the story so they could pull the rug out in episode VIII. Everyone's acting like VIII is darker and a Star Wars we've never seen before. I could see Rian doing that.

>>84257739
Nope, I like it too.

>>84257624
The ST is relying on an absurdly all-encompassing mystery box instead of good character and story writing to get people hyped for the next one. That's a huge sign of a shit film and lazy writers.

>>84257780
I don't even really think KoTCS is that bad. Just has a few problems.
>Mac was a pointless character
>The CGI used was awful
>The whole Indy being blacklisted subplot was totally dropped
>Aliens and the Spanish acquisition of the skull were not very well explained

Other than that, I enjoyed it a lot in 2008, and was surprised to see how much hatred it gets.

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>>84257786
Still, it's weird to me that the guys in charge of the movie only have aliens in extraneous "sidekick" roles. I mean, it really just seems odd that there's so many unique aliens species in Star Wars, but then everything usually revolves around the humans and nobody else.

>>84257836
Go figure that I'm mostly watching (other than for Luke) to see what happens to Kylo and Finn while I couldn't give half a shit about mystery box Rey or her mystery parentage.

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>>84257739
No. Harrison Ford is always enjoyable. I'm going to say something even MORE heretical: I liked Shia LeBeouf as Mutt Williams. The little "greaser" character tics like nervously whipping out his comb and brushing his hair was great.

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>>84257735
>Oh a new Saber, we certainly don't have saberstaves or Curved Hilt sabers.

You want some cheese with that whine? It was instantly iconic.

>BB8 was great, sure, but at the end he's just a new R2, not anything unique.

He was an ewok equivalent to droids.

>Stormtrooper joining the goodguys is new sure, but only in the main movies.

Of which TFA is a member.

>We've seen that before, most notably with Han's original backstory. Stopping the bolt in mid air is cool, except that he never did it again, and in fact ends up getting shot anyway. Psychic battle between Force users again, hasn't happened in movies but we've seen in other media. Battle on a Frozen world? I mean, sure, ignoring Hoth, yeah I guess Starkiller base is completely unique...

If you keep holding expanded universe stuff against TFA I might accuse you of not seeing the forest for the trees.

>And how the fuck can you say that Kylo and Rey had more emotion than Vader and Luke. That makes no sense.

I made no such statement.

>And yes, Rey is an almost literal Mary Sue. Her only fault was being afraid after the force vision, but she immediately overcomes that fear with little effort, than proceeds to do something that in the OT was explicitly a power meant to demonstrate Obi-Wan's Mastery of the Force, and Luke's coming of age and earning the mantle of Jedi, and she does it with literally no training or knowledge that its even a thing she can do.

The mind trick is a cantrip, a simple feat of legerdemain, and Rey's first proper force power. Get over it. She's more initially athletic than Luke, and more self-reliant when she becomes aware of the force.

Are you the kind of guy who pushes a baby down when she first begins to take steps? Is that what you are, baby bully? A baby shover?

>>84257879
It's because Normies can only connect with humans.
They don't see aliens as their own characters, they're just pretty props for the background ala Cantina Scene in ANH and TFA.

>>84257961
I actually liked Shia too Anon.

I wish he got to be in more Indy movies.

>>84257973
>It's because Normies can only connect with humans.
Then they suck!

Also, it's kinda funny to me that I've never seen regressives that talk about diversity in Star Wars talk about the lack of relevant aliens. Only about the supposed lack of women or PoCs.

>>84257961
>>84258027
I liked him too. Maybe he'll show up in the fifth one.

which I'm excited for

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>>84257267
The problem is TFA sets up basically the same situation as the OT and does nothing to further the universe. In fact, it uses one of the faults of the OT by having a superweapon being the main plot. Even as a pt 1 TFA is very lackluster.

>>84257966
Wow, resorting to name calling really shows me how mature and insightful you are.

You're right, Finn is a unique and new part of the franchise discounting older material, and is it than any surprised he was the best part of the movie?

You did also say you found Rey and Kylo more captivating, not emotional, but I still stand by what I said? How? Vader and Luke was the culmination of the franchise and story up until that point, Rey and Kylo was just another Underdog winning against the villain fight.

>The mind trick is a cantrip, a simple feat of legerdemain, and Rey's first proper force power. Get over it. She's more initially athletic than Luke, and more self-reliant when she becomes aware of the force.

Telling me to deal with it doesn't change the fact that it was a lazy, uninspired, derivative and cheap scene that undermined it's entire point in the OT of being indicative of a Jedi's mastery of the Force, not to mention we see in TCW that it requires practice and training to do.

They could have written any number of ways to Rey to escape that chamber that would have related more to her life as Scavenger who knows her way around machines and technology. Instead, they decided to undermined earlier entries in the franchise and characters to prop up their new one.

>>84247147
>>84246597
True Sith were was actually the idea for the third kotor game?

Wonder how they would have pulled it off.

>>84246640
I'm pretty sure Kylo being incompetent is a plot point

>>84251331
If we judge negating the momentum of super concentrated light laser that travels at, well, lightspeed, he -is- skilled in the force. He's just bad at everything else

>>84251928
Maul was not a sith lord in ep. 1. He was an apprentice with mad sword skills.

>>84246741
kek

>>84258056
Yeah, that's when the diversity crap stops making sense. (I'm not against it, I just don't think it matters as much as others make it out.)
Everyone wants to push so much for different kind of human races in movies, but no one gives a shit if there's other diversity that isn't even human. Droid, Aliens and other shit.

I guess because aliens aren't actually real, but I don't think that matters, seeing as a movie is fictional.
And I think normies care more about human diversity because they don't see the difference between reality and fiction, like people who are more involved with fictional media.

See all the "VIOLENT MOVIES AND GAMES MAKE YOU A SCHOOL SHOOTER, SEXY GAMES BREED RAPISTS and so on, debates.

But I dunno, maybe I'm just incredibly /pol/ or something?

>>84258217
Maul was totally a Sith Lord. He was Darth Maul. Sidious calls him his apprentice, therefore he was a Sith. Where the fuck did you get the idea that he wasn't?

>>84258171
>The problem is TFA sets up basically the same situation as the OT and does nothing to further the universe.

Rey will become the first new "true" Jedi in 30 years to Luke Skywalker.

Kylo, having tasted a righteous defeat will have to grow as a character. Will he double down on evil, or repent?

Finn, having freed himself from the First Order is at a total crossroads. It remains to be seen where he will go.

>In fact, it uses one of the faults of the OT by having a superweapon being the main plot.

wut

>>84258209
>Wow, resorting to name calling really shows me how mature and insightful you are.

I am both immature and insightful, what does that say about you, who is neither?

>>84258249
Didn't Sidius also say that to become the sith lord you have to kill the current one?

>>84246640
>Kylo gets beaten by a girl who just learned she could use the force like three days before

What about when Kyle Katarn defeated Jerec, first with an advanced force technique, then with superior dueling prowess. Ignoring the fact that both of these characters won the duel simply because plot (as you idiots tend to forget these are movies, not historical texts.), the idea is that they are so strongly connected to the force, they can call upon determination, aptitude, and skill from the very light they embrace. Almost like the Avatar State for Korra or Aang

>>84258295
No. There are two Lords of the Sith, Master and Apprentice. The Apprentice must kill the master, take their place, and then take an apprentice of their own who will renew the cycle. Darth Maul was the apprentice, but still a Sith Lord.

>>84258357
What happens if there is a different set of Sith Master and Apprentice that are not aware of the two other?
heh

>>84258264

Yes but those are singular characters. The basic situation is the same.

Evil Empire has superweapon, a small rebellion is fighting them but is vastly outnumbered. No Jedi except for one master in hiding on some backwater planet.

>wut
TPM had a ship that controlled droids.

ANH, ROTJ, and TFA all feature a massive superweapon capable of destroying planets.

>>84258407
Then one set will kill the other when they do find out.

>anon makes bait posts
>retards eat it up
>high quality bait though
>but bumps the thread

It's a win-lose

>>84258427
>TPM had a ship that controlled droids.
>ANH, ROTJ, and TFA all feature a massive superweapon capable of destroying planets.

Sounds like a recurring motif.

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>>84256407
>>84256564
>>84257267
>>84257530
>>84257617
>>84257683
>>84257966
>>84258290
We get it, you love TFA but can you spare us the bullshit you're spouting please?

>>84258407

That's not exactly possible. Darth Bane was the last remnant of the old Sith Empire. The rule of two started from him. There can't be two Sith lines ignorant of the other when there was, at one point, only one Sith Lord left in the galaxy.

So nothing happens. 'Cause it can't happen.

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>>84258454

You know what the worst part is, I don't think of myself as baiting.

I feel like I'm giving my opinion with transparency, clarity, responding to different opinions, providing examples, etc.

Am I baiting by being willing to engage in an open and frank discussion?

I like Star Wars, man, what can I say?

>>84258472
No, its not a motif. It's a lazy choice. It was kind of okay with ANH and RotJ but TFA was extremely lazy. TPM went the right direction by not making it a superweapon, just a regular ship.

My question is, what can Luke possibly teach Rey, how to whine? She already apparently knows how to do everything.

>>84258541
You're not debating. You're just stating your opinion and than calling everyone wrong. People told you why they don't like the movie, you said why did. Discussion should be over. Instead you keep acting like they left a bag of dogshit on your front step and feel the need to lecture them about why thats bad.

>>84258541
>Am I baiting by being willing to engage in an open and frank discussion?
Just stop. You know exactly what you're doing.

>>84258588
She needs to know in what pitch to whine at her family when they refuse to let her go to Toshi station

>>84256890
>people still whine she could swing a lightsaber
Because a lightsaber is an incredibly difficult weapon to use. With a staff, you have a semi-balanced weight all around, so proprieoception allows you to know where the staff's vector and location lies. With a lightsaber, you only have weight in the hilt. This makes it very easy to chop your own limbs off, hence why such practice is needed

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>>84258541
It sure is summer.

>>84258584
>TPM went the right direction by not making it a superweapon, just a regular ship.
Yeah, it wasn't as exciting as the Death Star by any means, but it evoked it without copy-pasting it.

Hell, even ROTJ which had a literal second Death Star changed it up and didn't try to use it in the exact same fashion. Its importance to the story was more as a trap to lure the rebels in.

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>>84258588
Maybe how to dress like a Jedi

>>84258517
>We get it, you love TFA but can you spare us the bullshit you're spouting please?

You know what, I'm gonna take the Luciferean path and wage war on heaven.

There's a pretty good podcast called "Story and Star Wars" where a college professor guy talks about each of the main movies, and he's pretty insightful about both George Lucas's inspirations and the more subtle stuff going on in the films.

He didn't care for Kylo Ren very much, but enjoyed TFA more than the prequels, though he is remarkably civil and professional when discussing them at great length.

He pointed out to me that George tried to repeat with TPM what he did with ANH, just having it be its own mostly finite story that just happened to feature Jedi and a child Queen and an alien Fool and a Chosen One, but he filled it with galactic politics that made the script not really work.

By comparison AotC and RotS are much more traditional and likely result from George working harder to appease fans rather than be more original. Lucas was already more guilty of echoing the past than Disney has been.

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>>84258652
>Because a lightsaber is an incredibly difficult weapon to use.

This must twist your testicles every time you watch ESB.

>>84258699
>Lucas was already more guilty of echoing the past than Disney has been.
but Lucas did it with style

>>84258606
>You're not debating.

I use to write sensible thoughtful replies that everyone ignored and didn't respond to.Now I see what people really want is a foe to fight.

>You're just stating your opinion and than calling everyone wrong. People told you why they don't like the movie, you said why did.

To be fair, the quality of responses I've been getting is a little weak. A lot of you aren't used t having your opinions challenged.

>>84246597
what is pic this from?
reverse image search gives me nothing

>>84258699
>I'm gonna take the Luciferean path and wage war on heaven.
You have no idea what that actually means, do you?

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>>84258699
>Lucas was already more guilty of echoing the past than Disney has been.L Lucas did it without lazily copypasting story elements from the OT and mashing them into a barely-coherent film that does little to further the universe of Star Wars and feels like a cheap rehash.

>>84258782
>I use to write sensible thoughtful replies that everyone ignored and didn't respond to.Now I see what people really want is a foe to fight.
Well at least you're admitting that you're not arguing in good faith and you're just shitposting for its own sake.

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>>84258756
>but Lucas did it with style

Dex's fucking Diner.

>>84258797
Kanan comic

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>>84258699
Oh boy. You just don't know where to stop, do you?

>>84258782
>Quality of responses I've been getting is a little weak
No they aren't. Like I said, people stated their opinions, and instead of it evolving into a natural discussion, you just continue to say why they're wrong and how TFA is so much better than they think it is. You're not challenging their opinion, you're insulting it. Is it really a surprise that you are then met with vitriolic responses? Stop acting like TFA is the superior, bestest Star Wars movie ever, and simply concede that others don't like it.

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>>84257879
>>84257973
I hope we get a female Twi'Lek Jedi as the protagonist in one of the spin-off films.

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>>84258855
>Stop acting like TFA is the superior, bestest Star Wars movie ever, and simply concede that others don't like it.

I will concede when they stop posturing that TFA must be the worst Star Wars film for the crime of not meeting impossible expectations.

I will concede when they stop having shallow, myopic viewpoints.

I'll defend it until Episode VIII comes out. Either I'll be vindicated or condemned for my faith in it.

>>84258686
I always preferred the Tattoine look, myself

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>>84258876
Twi'Leks really aren't very alien, though. They're basically humans with fleshy growths on their heads. I'd rather have this species be a protagonist. Or Trandoshans, or Ithorians.

>>84258876
You just want more r34 of Star Wars don't you?

>>84258927
>just accept that other people don't agree
>NO I WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THEY AGREE WITH ME
You must be a ton of fun at parties

>>84258954

If you are not with me, then you are my enemy.

>>84258876
where is that model from?

>>84258936
Who doesn't?

>>84258966
So you really are shitposting, then. Great. Glad we settled that.

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>>84258876
>I hope we get a female Twi'Lek Jedi as the protagonist in one of the spin-off films.

Uprising has already used that idea.

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>>84258983
Star Wars Kinect, she's one of the Padawans you can play as.

>>84258927
>I will concede when they stop having shallow, myopic viewpoints.

So, not only are you going to keep shitposting to stir up trouble, you're going to be pretentious about it too. People dislike the movie, and you're either going to have to accept that, or continue getting called a troll.

TFA was, by and large, and well made movie, but had enough problems to fall down into mediocratity. At least AOTC and ROTS, despite their flaws, introduced new concepts, original characters, and had compelling stories that aren't derivative of ANH. TFA cannot say that.

>>84258927
>STOP DISLIKING WHAT I LIKE

>>84259026
Nice. Too bad the game is shit from what I've heard.

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>>84258927
>These Star Wars fans don't like the new rehash of a movie so I must attack the Prequels so get my point across!

Stop responding to the master baiter.

I was hoping he was sincere so I could jump into this debate but my suspension were correct.

>>84259087
How can any game that has a soundtrack like this be shit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_xJqkzngBI

>>84259087
Was there ever a good Kinect game?

>>84259032
>TFA was, by and large, and well made movie, but had enough problems to fall down into mediocrity

I thought it was fun. Did it need to more than a fun movie?

>At least AOTC and ROTS, despite their flaws, introduced new concepts, original characters, and had compelling stories that aren't derivative of ANH. TFA cannot say that.

TFA had to be a sequel to a 30 year old series. TFA had to bare the burden of giving Han, Luke, Leia, and new characters new direction.

Are you really saying you'd want want more wildly uneven Star Wars films like the PT over the more streamlined ST?

We're only a single film into Disney's SW enterprise, you're comparing a single film to everything else in the series, and unfair metric by any measure.