What went wrong?

Not enough blind jokes.

I couldn't understand what Elektra was saying 30% of the time. Marble mouthed bastard.

>>84232418
Too much Stick/Elektra

Not enough Frank

Not enough Frank.

...

(I kind of wanted to leave it at that, but I have to vent; how the FUCK do you make ninjas and assassins fighting superheroes boring? How is that even fucking possible?)

>>84232418
Nothing. It was fine for what it is, expecting capeshit to be masterful works of art is just going to make you disappointed over and over. If i had to answer, less karen, make the hand appear more throughout in small amounts before making them the threat.

>>84232490
>(I kind of wanted to leave it at that, but I have to vent; how the FUCK do you make ninjas and assassins fighting superheroes boring? How is that even fucking possible?)
Because of too much Frank.

The first chunk of the season was a relatively well-grounded story about an armed vigilante shooting/implaing/blowing up gang members and then they tried to incorporate that character into a story about fucking zombie vampire ninjas.

They couldn't have picked two more tonally dissonant stories to shove into one season if they had tried.

>>84232510

SHUT YOUR WHOR MOUTH!

(One batch, two batch... penny and dime.)

>>84232418
>No ben urich
>Frankening basically ended not even half way through
>the hand plot wasn't compelling in the slightest
>final fight had arrow-tier choreography

Not enough Night Nurse.

>>84232547
Frank fags are cancer that tainted season 2 of DAREDEVIL

Way too much eastern mysticism bullshit. Cut the Hand plot out completely and it would have been a serviceable season. It should have been a season about Frank and the introduction of Bullseye, to contrast the two and show why one is heroic and the other is a monster.

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Nothing. Sure, it was boring as shit at any point where Frank wasn't on screen or at least the focus, but it served to give us a Punisher show. That alone makes it totally worth it.

>>84232536
This. The first season was brilliant because it didn't rely on cheap plot devices and supernatural bullshit. Also, the second season just rehashed the main moral dilemma of the first season. So it was more of the same plus lazy gimmicks.

>>84232595
Frank was the best thing to come out of season 2 of Daredevil. If anything bogged down the season's quality it was Karen doing the "I'm a hard nosed investigative reporter who won't take no for an answer now" and all of the horse shit with The Hand.

Every time frank wasn't on screen every character should just be asking "where's frank?"

>>84232595

Oh totally, because we all wanted the Electra plot to be dragged out for another four or five episodes. Totally.

Shit man, Punisher was the best thing about this season in the same way Batman was a gemstone glistening in the turd that was BvS. It kinda shows when Jessica Jones generally rates higher than DD s2, and we are still getting a Punisher series.

I still don't understand why the Hand didn't just use guns. Like, I get being stealthy and all, but I mean during the final battle, the Hand compound was surrounded by police, had helicopters watching them, snipers on rooftops watching them, et cetera, and they still used a bow and arrow. If they had used guns, they may have been able to kill Daredevil and Elektra.

It was better than Jessica Jones. That's a victory in of itself.

>>84232652
>I still don't understand why the Hand didn't just use guns.
I like how when they first appeared to take out Elektra they had shitty middle eastern Uzi's and used them to shoot down the door only to immediately revert to melee weapons and job horrendously to, as someone else in the thread put it, Arrow-tier choreographed fights.

>>84232623
Last time I checked Karen was at least in half of Frank's filler that wasn't allowing show to properly flesh out Hand stuff.

>>84232651
Yes. Showrunner's are memesters "le Frank" posters and wanked off to their husbando without giving a second thought how to handle source material more properly. Hand and Elektra desperately needed more time which Frank hogged up. And don't even get me started how despite all this time Frank had they gave us fucking laziest fuck all ending to his filler.

>>84232654

Nah, aside from the Frank origin, I far preferred Jessica Jones. It was tense the entire way through, Luke was well cast and made me look forwards to his show, Tenant was great, and it was different enough to Alias to enjoy as it's own thing.

Daredevil committed the worst sin possible for a TV series. It wasn't bad, if anything the production values were higher than before. It was fucking boring.

>>84232704

Ah, butthurt Daredevil fan. I see. My condolences good sir.

>>84232730
/tv/ is other way.

If you haven't at least read Frank Miller's run on Daredevil before watching the show, then what the hell are you doing here?

Why is Karen such a mary sue?

>she got shot at and still sees the good in people hurr durr

>>84232793
Karen has her flaws (like killing the most entertaining side character in all of S1) but you're grasping. Stop grasping.

>>84232793
Actually, her main reason was to find good in herself via Frank. They are both killers and she wanted to know if one who took that path can ever go back.

>>84232820
This. All in all I preferred her subplot to Elektra.

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>>84232841
>Karen "I'm a lawyer, a journalist, a strong woman who need no education for these jobs" Page better than Elektra

No seriously Elektra was alot better than I was expecting her to be. And I liked the ninjas.

>>84232654
>It was better than Jessica Jones.
That's not much of an achievement.
>>84232706
>It was tense the entire way through
It wasn't even slightly tense.

>>84232749
I was unimpressed with Miller's Daredevil run, anon. Had the show taken from Ennis' run on the MAX imprint then maybe it would've been a story worth telling.

>>84232793

Good to know that the "Mary Sue = Character I don't like" is till going strong.

>>84232914
She killed my husbando. Fuck her.

Unpopular opinion:

It was just as shit in the first season, too. Also, the sound design is unbearably awful.

>>84232418
The Blacksmith. The entire ending to the Punisher arc was absolute trash.

Haven't seen the series yet. Is Foggy still a deplorable cuck?

>>84232479
this. Exactly this.

Or more specifically, they should've focused on 1 character only and have each character get their own seasons (frank would be one season, Elektra another).

Rather than shoving a rushed character in and shoe horning the character we really needed a bit more development with (or wanted more).

>>84232913
Well, it's your shit taste, let me just remind you that it's DAREDEVIL'S show. At least current showrunner's remembered that at some point.

Be glad that they featured most overrated and nonsensical scene in all comics (chaining Daredevil on rooftop).

All the supernatural stuff surrounding the Hand was handled poorly, there should have been more ambiguity as to whether any of it was real. Frank needed to be taking on the Yakuza for the two major plotlines to have a proper overlap.

Ultimately nothing was given enough room to breathe and develop and yet we somehow got loads of filler.

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>yfw HoboFist becomes the GOAT Capeshit show

>>84232983
Jesus Christ, you don't understand. Frank is the shoehorned character.

At the very core, they tried to write a story with two plotlines that had nothing to do with each other, and no idea how to end either of them.

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>>84233013
>Frank
>shoehorned

>>84232958

Wesley talked shit and got hit. She called his bluff, it's not her fault he was unprepared to handle a violent situation like that by himself.

>>84232962

I still like S1, but on rewatch the flaws were definitely more noticeable.

It's weird that I came out liking Jessica Jones S1 the most. Not that it doesn't have its share of problems, but the fact that's is a slow character drama with no plot ended up working in its favor when I watched it again.

But I also like slow, depressing noir stories where nothing happens, so it was right in my wheelhouse.

>>84233030
>>84233013
The most shoehorned character was Black Cop by a country mile.

>>84232978
Matt gets dumped and Foggy gets sexy lawyer fuckbuddy.

>>84233079
You mean the hot blonde? Atta boy. Nice to hear he stops acting like a scorned jealous lover when it comes to Daredevil kicking people's teeth in.

>>84233013
my point is they throw away frank to introduce a character (elektra) that should've had her own season instead.

>>84232978

Foggy becoming based is the best part of S2.

>>84233103
Agreed.

>>84232962
Even more unpopular opinion, all of Netflix shows are pretty bad.

>>84232490
Agreed, on both comments.
>>84232654
Eh. First half was, second half not so much.

I didn't mind Elektra. I minded that Elektra's story was nonsense that went nowhere. Compared to the relatively grounded story of Frank, it felt out of place and hard to believe. It was simply too rushed, making Elektra's death and resurrection unearned and emotionally void.

Elektra and the whole Hand business should have been introduced, but the meat of it saved for a third season.

>>84232418
Matt is a fucking hypocrite and a terrible friend

I liked first season.
I watched the first episode of season 2 and still haven't got the motivation to watch the second one.
The direction is just not good. The action scenes, kung fu or shooting, are just bad. There was some problem in s01 but it wasn't so obvious that Matt was kicking the air.

>>84232609
What Civil War issue is this?

Not enough Frank and way too much Elektra and the Hand fluff along with the Karen/Matt drama just made some parts of the season a chore to get through.

Advertise the show with Frank vs. Daredevil in more than just combat

Deliver on that promise

For four episodes

Then give us a half assed ninja arc instead with a terrible Elektra death shoved in.

>>84233043
>It's weird that I came out liking Jessica Jones S1 the most. Not that it doesn't have its share of problems, but the fact that's is a slow character drama with no plot ended up working in its favor when I watched it again.
>But I also like slow, depressing noir stories where nothing happens, so it was right in my wheelhouse.

Agreed- I think JJ season 1 is probably the best Marvel series so far, though that's a pretty low bar. Hell, given some of what Netflix has put out, it might just be one of the better Netflix shows so far. (looking at you, Marco Polo...)

Things it has going for it:
-interesting, diverse characters who do different things than just helping Mary Sue MC (AoS & DD)
-occasionally filmed with nearly enough light to see things (DD)
-can hear what's happening, usually (DD)
-doesn't have a million filler episodes (AoS...)
-villains are actually more villainous than, you know, the heroes (Both)

...it's a really low bar.

It's much better on rewatch.
First time I think we were all disappointed that Frank takes a backseat after only four great episodes. But when you know what to expect, it's a lot easier to get invested.

>>84232479
>>84232490
This. They pretty much finished with Frank's story half way through the season and only brought him back as an afterthought later. All the best scenes in the season had Frank in them. The viewer was left watching half the season muttering "What's happening with Frank? When are we going to get back to Frank? Elektra is dull, go back to Frank. I'd rather be watching Frank do anything."

>>84234266
>Jessica Jones
>interesting, diverse characters
Pick one.

And the villains in Jessica Jones are complete garbage.

Am I the only one who wanted more court stuff?

Just anything other than the elektra, ninja shit.

>>84234266
>JJ season 1 is probably the best Marvel series so far
Really Nigga ? Jessica was a fucking idiot and was not interesting at all, if anything the villain was a good

>>84234486
>if anything the villain was a good
He was a complete joke about as interesting as watching paint dry.

>>84234510
Sure he was a fucking kid doing whatever the fuck he wanted, but he was more interesting than Jessica "No matter what i do i am always a fuck up" Jones, its like Jessica doesent grow as a character

>>84234435

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I liked Shark Lawyer. Diverse might have been a reach but they feel like they've got different shit going on in their lives, unlike DD and AoS's characters who pretty much revolve around their protags

>>84234486
Uh yeah, and the only other options are DD and AoS, ships helmed by, respectively:
-a superhero who basically qualifies as a villain
-a squad led by the world's most boring man ever to live

Jessica at the very least was a mildly interesting fuck-up

Like I said, it's a low bar, I'm not saying it's good but that the landscape it entered into is so shit that it rises to the top by basically doing nothing

>>84234526
Point taken.
But honestly, for all his power he didn't feel dangerous enough. When I watched I Spit On Your Graves or the remake and its shitty sequels, there was always a feeling that if a protagonist screws up with killing her rapists, she might go back to hell she was put through. It was pretty damn scary and suspenseful.

I never got that from Jessica Jones. The show was trying to make you feel that way about Kilgrave, but it never succeeded. At least not for me. The show was never really tense, not even when he appeared.

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>>84234642
>-a superhero who basically qualifies as a villain
What the fuck are you talking about ?

>>84232418
Elektra and the ninjas weren't interesting. Or at least they weren't worth the season and a half of buildup.

Also they were completely overshadowed by Frank.

>>84234752
>Daredevil
>Dresses up in a mask, seeks people out, and throws them off buildings after torturing them
>"I don't kill people though!!!"

>>84234642
>-a superhero who basically qualifies as a villain

I agree about enjoying JJ more than any other Marvel series, but I'm curious to why you consider Daredevil a villain protagonist. Really, with his love of the law and justice, he is actually more more heroic than half the Avengers.

>>84234450

Man, I always want more court stuff, in both seasons. I feel one of the big failings of the series so far is its inability to realize they different styles of Matt and Foggy in the courtroom, and the role a good court case can play in Daredevil's adventures.

The big problem with season 2 is that they wanted to tell two stories, both of which had tons of potential, but had no idea how to marry the two together. I liked that they broke the season down into "arcs" of a sort, with the first four episodes being about Frank and the next four being about Elektra, but the last four really, really needed to be about bringing those two previous arcs together into a cohesive whole. I don't think the writers ever had a good idea on how to do that.

They also handled the mysticism stuff poorly, which was disappointing because they handled it very well in season 1.

The first part with Frank was really good, but the Hand/Chaste plot ended up being really underwhelming, mainly because it felt rushed. I also don't like the cliffhanger with Elektra dead but about to be resurrected and Matt revealing his alter ego to Karen.

>>84232418

Should've kept the focus on Frank or the Hand. Not both.

>>84232418
http://www.agcwebpages.com/BLINDITEMS/2016/JUNE.html

>Even though there are hundreds of great stories about producers and showrunner’s I rarely write about them unless they also involve some celebrity because it’s hard to describe a showrunner to a point where you could even garner a guess. This story was so crazy though that I had to write about it. The show is an almost television show. Did really well so it was renewed for another season with some conditions. The studio wanted it to be less depressing. Honestly, that was probably a pretty good note. They also wanted production to move at a little faster pace. The showrunner said sure and shooting began. Except that it didn’t really begin. Our showrunner, instead of speeding things up was actually running things even more slowly. Entire days of filming were wasted because of the sets he was having built. Massive sets from scratch built in public places that were taking days to build instead of hours. The scripts were no less depressing and if anything, were even more of a downer than the previous season. This led to a confrontation between the studio and the showrunner.

>>84235327
>After lots of yelling and screaming, things seemed to have been worked out. Nope. Our showrunner just kept doing what they had been doing. So, after another week of this, the studio started e-mailing the showrunner. No response. Calling. No response. texting. No response. That left other members of the production team to deliver all of the messages which put the team on edge. Then, the suits came to town again to talk personally to our showrunner but he barricaded himself in a room on the set which was inside a television studio. He stayed there for eight hours refusing to come out. Finally he emerged, but only because he had to use the restroom. He was escorted off the set and fired from the show. A replacement was brought in, but the showrunner had destroyed so many files about the show it took a long time before everything could be pieced back together as close to the original way as possible.
>Show: "Daredevil" (Netflix)
>Showrunner: Drew Goddard
>Replacement: Steven S. DeKnight

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>>84232418
They seriously dropped the ball on the chained-to-a-chimney scene. Not only did they reverse the point of the scene from that of the comic it came from but it made Frank look like an idiot.

In the comic version, Frank is gloating about how his target is in sight, "peach of a shot" and all that until Matt finally accepts that the only way to stop Frank from killing is to kill him, except Frank loaded a dud into the pistol. This proves his point to Daredevil *without* making Daredevil a killer. Frank knew that he wasn't forcing Daredevil to kill, he was just forcing him to understand.

But in the show they take a cop-out of Matt shooting the chain (there's ALWAYS another way) which wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fact that this makes it look like Punisher was trying to commit suicide-by-superhero instead of trying to prove a point.

And then they just flip-flop on that point later on when Daredevil just accepts the fact that Frank is killing all these ninjas with a sniper rifle so he can calmly walk up to Nobu and kung-fu him. He accepts their wholesale murder to further his own mission, so it completely defeats the point of having Daredevil refuse to take the shot at Frank earlier. They should have left the scene as it was in the comics.

>>84234989
Given that at this point the Avengers have pretty much been their own villains in 2 out of a total 3 movies, I don't think this argument is as strong as you think it is.

Though I guess the only metric that Matt DOES come across as heroic on is "probably not an accidental war criminal." Because he tortures people on purpose rather than by accident.

>>84235524
Don't you know? Ninjas are not people.
It's okay to kill them. DD established that he hates them in S1.

Did Daredevil invent "ninjaism" a concept similar to racism, but against ninjas?

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>>84235623

The leap from grounded and gritty (and fucking awesome) Frank Castle to outrageous undead ninjas was jarring and outright foolish. Frank was far and away the best part of the season.

>>84235524
>And then they just flip-flop on that point later on when Daredevil just accepts the fact that Frank is killing all these ninjas with a sniper rifle so he can calmly walk up to Nobu and kung-fu him. He accepts their wholesale murder to further his own mission, so it completely defeats the point of having Daredevil refuse to take the shot at Frank earlier. They should have left the scene as it was in the comics.

He saw a ninja die (in a way that couldn't easily be revived from) in S1 and then saw that same ninja alive in S2. By that point he accepted they could be killed since the Hand will just attempt to bring them back to life anyway.

>>84235327
>>84235379

I'll take "things that never happened" for $500, Alex.

JUST MAKE A FRANK SHOW ALREADY

Too many ninjas and not enough Fisk.

>>84232471
That's what subtitles are for.

Karen was just a crybaby.

>>84232418
nothing?

oh wait, telling Elektra not to kill someone which resulted in her almost being disemboweled with an envenomated/poisoned katana was something that went wrong

>>84232623
Fuck, dude, at least Karen gave a shit about sticking to Frank's plot after he got jailed. Matt was getting too sidetracked by Elektra and ninja bullshit to even focus on his day job almost leaving Frank's entire trial in the hands of Foggy and Karen.

>>84232418
I actually liked both storylines. Sure they didn't mesh well but it was ambitious. I liked that it had more plotlines than the first season.

The biggest thing for me was just how little they gave Daredevil to work with. They just gave him a silly "can't balance his life subplot". And it didn't work well. Neither did some of the other subplots. The whole Blacksmith shit.

So it just ended up very silly. And then there was some technical/continuity issues. It made me laugh when all the ninjas were running on the roof. Matt acting like they were gonna die. They then went outside and there was like 12 ninjas.

I liked it better than the first.

I hated Karen though. I'm not really sure why.

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>>84239161
Forgot picture.

>>84237519
They already are. It's confirmed you fucker

>>84234887
In a universe that contains Wolverine and Frank Castle, you have a problem with how Matt handles things?

>>84232418
NO PUNISHER CHAINGUN

FUCK YOU NETFLIX REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Nothing, I was pretty satisfied with season 2 in general. Sure the Frank stuff is the best but I still enjoyed ninjas and Elektra. If I had to say something I didn't like, it would be all the loose threads left hanging at the end.

Anyone else feel there was a dropoff in fight choreography quality?

The supernatural ninja shit didn't fit into the tone and logic of the original series. The season also split all the characters apart along with splitting it into a frank half and a ninja/elektra shit half. They were going for a "daredevil is getting isolated by challenges only a superhero can face" thing but they ended up just making the side characters, who are less interesting, the mains for most of the season. It would have been much better if they just removed the ninja shit and had castle and the police be much more intensely antagonistic, requiring a vigalante.

Karen just has no charisma.
Having her become a love interest was a mistake when her competition is Elektra.

She's hot, sure, but Matt can't see.
She's persistent to a fault then bitches that bad shit always happens to her which is a red flag for someone that lives a dangerous second life as Matt does.

The writing was awful sometimes. Flat out ignored Matt's powers on a regular basis just to make a scene play out a certain way. The loss of a competent showrunner really showed.

>>84239662
>In a universe that contains Wolverine

>>84232479
Frank is the basis of this show. When he is not in frame all the other characters should be asking "Where is Frank?"

Too much Punisher.
It became superfluous to have his story continue throughout the entire series.

The Hand required much more time than 'le Frank' to sell and it wasn't given it so it suffered.
It wasn't managed very well, but I respect the attempt to not have a boring mid season by switching storylines because that was the biggest problem with Jessica Jones and the first season. It just felt like it was dragging by episode 6.

Nothing. Everything about Season 2 was amazing.

The only problem with Daredevil is all the filler in the second half of the first season, which Season 2 doesn't have.

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>>84232418
Just like DDS1 and JJ:
>strong first 3-4 episodes
>lame next 5-6 eps
>then it gets interesting again
>and then a fucking shit season finale
These shows better have 10 episodes with the same budget spread over fewer episodes

>>84232418

It was obvious from Season 1 that the Hand was going to be the big bads for the Defenders. Where Season 2 fucked up is they tried to set up to much and use the Hand without stepping on any of the plot lines for the Defenders, thus the Hand coming off as underwhelming.

>>84232913

You were "unimpressed" with the best super hero story ever put to paper?

Are you sure you've read it?

>>84241332
>The loss of a competent showrunner really showed.

I'm scared that the S2 showrunners are in charge of the Defenders

>>84235524
Matt had already accepted that SOME ONE needs to be the one to go far enough to kill with his "just this once" comment.

Nothing went wrong aside from 4chan overeating again. Maybe it wasn't as good as season 1, but that's hardly a bad thing.

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>>84241951
Oh boy
http://marvel.com/news/tv/26037/netflix_original_series_marvels_the_defenders_finds_its_showrunners

>>84243805
Season 1 wasn't very good either. A Daredevil TV show of this level had the potential to be the best live action superhero project ever made, and they're wasting this golden opportunity on mediocrity

Matt became an edgelord who abandons his responsibilities to his coworkers


Conversely Foggy and Karen continue to get better and better, and those two were the only reason I got through S2.

Was good. Not great.

>>84232418
It made the main character tho worst part of the show.
Seriously, not to suck Punisher's cock any more than others in this thread but at least Matt cared about more than one thing in the first half.
As soon as Electra shows up Matt drops his responsibilities as a best friend, boyfriend, and business partner and in one fell swoop sinks not only his romantic relationship with Karen but also loses his friendship with Foggy and his place of business. And unlike Foggy I doubt Matt's career is going to bounce back.

>>84232418

There wasn't a central plot. Or rather, there was, but I guess that wasn't gonna last the entire season, so shoehorning Elektra in helped spread things out. I feel like it would've been smoother if they either finished the Punisher arc halfway through and went on to deal with Elektra and the Hand, OR they pick up where they left off with the Hand, and finish off with the Punisher. Having them both coexist throughout the season is a huge mistake

>>84232418
Nothing. I loved it.

You do what you gotta do when you have to balance like 5 fucking heroes/villains, supernatural shit, vigilante shit, and Kingpin shit.

>>84241169
I had difficulty telling Matt apart from the ninjas a lot of the time.

>>84241169
Definitely, a big drop. That whole scene where he walks down the stairs beating people up was fucking horribly done.

>>84246864
Props to the guy flying the drone camera though. That was well done.

It was fine.

You just didn't have the low expectations that you had for the first season which resulted in you being pleasantly surprised for that, but not this.

>>84233330
>Matt is a fucking hypocrite

Emphasis on "fucking".

>>84246864
I honestly couldn't tell what was happening in that scene. I was bummed.

>>84246981
Nice try, but I had high expectations for S1 because it looked different from the rest of MCU trash and had based D'Onofrio as Kingpin, yet I still felt S2 was pretty shit.

>>84233283
not to mention some of her cringey ass lines. something about failing her only mission... not 2 fall in luv....

>>84232418
Though I did lose interest around the Hand came around, I cannot really trace as to why this was.

This is a Daredevil show. 13 hours each season, and I am fucking miffed with how little his religion has taken to the spotlight. Here's hoping.

Finally, while Bernthal Punisher was written pretty well, Bernthal is just not a big enough dude to really satisfy my image of the Frank. Visually, Ray Stevenson was the best. While this could be a nitpick, comic books are still a visual art in the end and their adaptations should consider that.

>>84249411
I wish we could see Stevenson as a Punisher again.
He could be pretty intimidating if he wants to be. Hell, he was almost enough to make Dexter bearable.

>>84232418
They cast a shitty actress to play Elektra, who turned in a performance that was what people feared Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman in "Batman V Superman" was going to be...except Gadot ended up doing a decent job.

Made me miss Jennifer Garner DESU.

>implying there was anything wrong with Elektra

Something about The Hand rubbed me the wrong way. I don't know it was all of the voodoo bullshit or just the fact that I'm fucking done with Ninjas in 2016

>people complaining about how the ninjas were a stupid idea in a "grounded drama"

OH, MAY THE LORD ABOVE DELIVER US FROM ANY FANTASTIC PLOT LINES IN OUR PERFECTLY SERIOUS DRAMA ABOUT A BLIND LAWYER WHO CAN SNIFF THE SHIT IN A DOG'S ASSHOLE A MILE AWAY AND DRESSES UP LIKE A DEVIL TO BEAT UP DELINQUENTS

Boring ninjas

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For me, everything but Frank.

>>84232654
A lump of dogshit was better than that boring shit

There wasn't enough Frank. The season tapped out after the fourth episode imo

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>>84232418
>No DeKnight
>Little to nothing of Based Fisk
>Frank had to take a backseat after the first few episodes
>Elektra

The

It became an ensemble show. I could accept Frank but Elektra and everyone else was incredibly vexing.

>>84232418
Nothing

>>84232418
>Not enough Frank
>Matt ruining his life was more frustrating than sad.
>The Elektra/Stick story isn't well connected with the Frank one, and it feels half-assed.

7/10 season, still the best thing the MCU has churned out.

The Punisher worked better when he could bounce off of DD and his mentality and vice versa. When that was over I lost all interest.

>>84232869
>>Karen "I'm a lawyer, a journalist, a strong woman who need no education for these jobs" Page better than Elektra

How many more seasons until she sells out Matt?

>>84232490
>how the FUCK do you make ninjas and assassins fighting superheroes boring?
they never made the ninjas seem threatening, so there was never any real conflict. It was basically a half season of heroes fighting peons.

The end of Punisher's arc was anticlimactic and Karen held entirely too much focus.

Elektra's accent was terrible. That's about all my negative takeaway from S2 was.

Karen is given entirely too much to handle while Foggy overall feels way less integral to the story. Do you think the writers realized Foggy being a beta bitch in the first season was a point of vitriol for some and reduced his screentime? I thought more Karen would be good but holy shit was I wrong.

>>84232418
ITT Dc faggots with poor taste. I bet you all think Suicide Squad looks awesome... Must fucking suck to be autistic and homosexual.

All the ninja shit was not explained. Like, at all. Matt was a bit too broody.

I did like that Elektra tho.

Frankfags went into it expecting a Punisher show and proceeded to get upset when they discovered that Daredevil was, in fact, about Daredevil.

Reyes was a qt

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Karen Page? More like Mary Sue.

>>84232418
Foggy still being played by a dude that can not act, and the abrupt change in pace and story after episode 4 or 5. That's about it, loved everything else.

>>84255828
Really I thought it was a pretty even split, you'd think Punisher fans would be pretty happy with it.
His stuff was treated better than the actual Daredevil parts of the plot.

Too much Karen. I even straight up skipped a lot of her scenes because I just didn't care There's getting a character involved, and there's shoving a character down your audience throats. Guess which category she fits into.

Foggy's double chin is hella distracting

>>84256417
Can you imagine what /co/'s gonna be like when his solo show comes around?

>>84259320
Whiny as shit?

>>84256687
It was playing out a bit, yeah

I don't know who wrote the episode where everyone was getting gunned down but that scene where the media boss is all "take some protection, bro"

>Karen: "wow patriarchy"

shit was weird

but hey Punisher TV show

>>84232418
Ninjas

>>84232648
You fuck... i spit up my drink.

>>84232418

Nothing, now shut the fuck up.

Sage.