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New page is up.

>His poor hat...
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press [F] to pay respects
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>>84217354
>ey trator
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>>84217354
Farewell, Lopins Fancy Hat, may your fanciness shine forever.
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>>84217428
My eph key disappeared though.
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>>84217354
>Feel bad about how you're going to smek his ass later.
>Still going to do it.

Good to know he still knows the context.
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>>>/trash/3838540

OOP has a trash thread now.
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>>84217354
Poor lil faggot bird-rat-lizard.

Gotta be a real pain working in a society where the females are so rare and well guarded. Always striving to work hard enough to be inducted into the upper classes (assuming you've ambitions of breeding anyhow.) Whats their sex ratio again 1/20 or somesuch? I reckon they must have large litters to support their population growth.
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>>84217428
F
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>>84217354
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>>84217903
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>>84217903
I feel like we're inviting burnout.
Especially now that I've acknowledged it.
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>>84217354
>fancy guy is naked now
THE SHAMEE!
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I was just about to make a thread about this.

Fancy confirmed for female though. How interesting.
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>>84220519
How d'you mean?
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>>84220606
>How d'you mean?

I didn't see this thread because of the hyphens, so I was about to make one for the new page. But luckily I saw this in the catalog.
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>>84217354

>the yinglet high elders are gathering magical transformation items to turn themselves into something thats not a yinglet
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>>84220641
No, I was referring to "confirmed for female". Something I've missed?
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How can yinglets make a "z" and a "s" sound, but not a "th" sound?

I can imagine with those teeth they wouldnt be able to make even half of english word sounds.
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>>84220745

Oh sorry, I thought you were talking about me making the thread. Woops. That does make more sense though
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All those zs makes me imagine yinglets as French
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>>84220795
No worries. I probably shouldn't have hyphenated it (though in my defence I was following the name on the site).

Anyway, I know there's a theory that Lopin is female (with a shaved tail), but is there another hint I've missed?
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>>84220945
>Anyway, I know there's a theory that Lopin is female (with a shaved tail), but is there another hint I've missed?

Just a hunch. A couple of very far fetched ideas and some inferences. But it just exists in my mind.

Quite frankly, it would be better story wise is Lopin is a dude. I just like throwing around ideas to hear what others thing, you know? Gets a conversation flowing. Its nice.
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>>84220519
>confirmed female
>called fancy "lad"

Lopin is a guy.
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>>84220945
>>84221004
Morbi said something over in the Poppy thread that I feel all the time:
"I love watching people working together to figure out a mysterious plot thread, even if they aren't necessarily on the right train of thought sometimes."

Although I gotta admit it's equally fun to see who people want/predict the main characters to end up with, and/or fuck.

>>84217428
>>84217649
[Presses F forever]

Seriously, if only you guys knew the backstory of this hat you'd know what a terrible loss the world has suffered here.
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>>84222842

Hey, I've just started looking at your comic. Would you classify it as a high or low-fantasy setting?
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>>84222842
Please I need lewds of Isher with human Kass
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>>84217475
waddup
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I hope someone will hug Lopin and say things will be alright.
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>>84224536
More importantly, we need lewds of Lopin's fancy hat.

Like it coming out of a fresh wash from the river, soaking wet and clean.
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>>84220708
>they're gathering artifacts so they can use them to transform humans, hoping to gain the next Great Leader
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>>84226588
calm down anon
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>>84226588
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frDamZjCbkI
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>>84226591
I'm thiking the reverse.
They're gathering artifacts to transform higher species into yinglets, to assimilate their traits into the yinglet genome
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>>84229950
Yeah that is possible, given that Valsalia hinted Kass's tits are supposedly due to being an ex-human. It's likely that some form of human traits remains in the transformed Yinglets

Interesting idea, anon
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>>84226591
>Great Leader
>of the Yinglets
Oh man, imagining a Yinglet North Korea right now.
It's not just funny, it's hilarious!
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>>84229988
their tech levels aren't too different already
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>>84229988
>a bunch of technologically inadequate shorties with a strict sense of tradition
>volatile
>laughed at by everyone

hmmm
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>>84229988
>Yinglets with exactly two nukes
>not quite sure how it works or what you're meant to do with them, they just have a broad understanding that it means people are meant to be to afraid of you to start trouble
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>>84230034
>They heard about nuclear power plants
>They set up the two nukes they have and collide it against each other
>"Now ZHIS ish nuclear fisshion!"
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>>84230114
>they end up trading the nukes for a bucket of oysters
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>>84220783
tongue against the back of the shell-tooth and vibrate
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after seeing these threads for the past month, decided to read it. Pretty great. Every three pages had me grinning like an idiot.
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I'm thinking if I were statting out Yinglets for Pathfinder/3.5, they'd easily get -2 int, -2 wisdom.
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>>84230774

Just use Kobold stats, but take away affinity to traps.
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>>84230785

Kobolds have a sadistic cunning.

Yinglets are extremely dopey, like a mistake of evolution.
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>>84230785
but Yinglets canonically have a huge affinity for traps
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>>84230795

Behold, the mistake of God.
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>>84230936

Or his joke. How long do they live, anyways?
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>>84230756
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>>84230900
ahuehuehue
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Do other female yinglets have visible breasts, or is Kass unique in that regard?
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>>84231298
unique, but unique yinglets aren't unique at all. as in, a relatively large number of yinglets have prominent unique mutations compared to other races. so it's not like having breasts would be a huge giveaway that Kass wasn't a natural yinglet
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>>84231327

If everyone is unique, then no one is? But that doesn't make sense because they are all different then. So being different means being the same? Doesn't sound right.

If every yinglet is different, then they are all different. That is it.
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>>84231481
>If every yinglet is different, then they are all different.
For some reason this made me think of 'If every porkchop were perfect', and now I desperately want an enclave being threatened by a larger enclave with 3 retarded matriarchs raising a human child to be their Great Warrior and defend them.

Their Combat Fuszheen is just the 3 matriarchs riding the toddler, one on his head, one on each arm waving knives around while he toddles around the battlefield babbling baby talk.
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Feeeena is best yinglet
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>>84231880
>NOT Lippie or Vesaria

I thought you had better tastes,Anon.
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>>84222931
That's a tough one. Somewhere in a grey area between low-fantasy and soft sci-fi.

>>84226396
Well then why aren't you there for him?

You monster

>>84226588
Listen man, I'm okay with doing some fetishy stuff in my commissions, but that's just too extreme.

>>84229988
>>84229996
>>84230009
Well damn, that's uh... pretty accurate, up to the fact that the people in charge probably have no idea what they're doing.

Introducing Kim Jong Ying

>>84230774
>>84230785
>>84230795
There's at least 3 tabletop campaigns that I'm aware of that include, and/or revolve around these little jerks. With all the racial stat sheets I've seen, I get the feeling I'm gonna have to release an official conversion at some point.

They're definitely low INT/WIS/STR (except for a special few), but are small and run around like crazed chickens, so their DEX is through the roof, and they'd probably get an innate spear specialization.

I'd probably add a Random Mutation table to make character creation extra fun. Mysterious huge boost to WIS, or an eye-foot? Who knows/cares, you're a yinglet.

>>84231298
They all got small ones, but they're there. And admittedly the only time we've seen ying-Kass braless is when I was still feeling out the character designs, and I've toned those boobs back a bit since.

>>84231327
And the ones living near human urban centers have definitely noticed the bigger boobs = more attention = more success equation, which has influenced some breeding patterns.
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>>84232288
>which has influenced some breeding patterns.
oh great, we're gonna get big titted male bimbo yinglets trying to awkwardly seduce people
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>>84232288

Hey, Morbi likes your Yinglets!
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>>84231481
They share a basic body shape and phenotype blueprint but have a high mutation rate.
Plus their unique mating biology means that each infant draws descent from a jizz jambalaya.
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>>84233145
>jizz jambalaya

Heh...gross
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>>84230756
This the first thread I've noticed about this webcomic.

Now I've read up to current.

It was a fun ride, but now the waiting game kicks in.
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By popular demand and permission from Val, I made a DL link for the Stellaris Yinglet Mod.

http://wellofsorrows.deviantart.com/art/Yinglet-Mod-NOW-WITH-DL-LINK-608732137
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>>84233506

Awesome. Too bad stellaris turns pretty boring mid to late game.

>>84233309

Welcome! If you like the dialogue from OOP, you might like the comic A Tale of Tails By Feretta. Though that has a ton of porn in it. Well, it IS porn, but has a good story and funny dialogue.
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>>84233615
>Awesome. Too bad stellaris turns pretty boring mid to late game.
Give it another 3-5 months and 2 more patches, imo. Their games always go through this convoluted post release refinement.
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>>84233506
Isn't Yinglet society a matriarchal plutocracy?
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>>84233743
Indeed, thats why I abondoned it after a ~20h
Tho it was funny to have a game where a random generated ultra expansive Yinglet based race sends a message like
"We sent out our flesh collectors, we are going after your babies you animals!" or something, with Kass on the screen XD
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>>84233877

There is both a matriarchy and patriarchy serving two different purposes in their society.
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>>84230955
20-30 years
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is anyone gonna start posting art from the collection of 20something pics the last three threads have produced?
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>>84234038
What art do you mean?
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>>84234015

20-30 years is the average. Not from old age, but because they die a lot in accidents thus skewing the number
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>>84234074 It can be a sad thing when you have the benefit of "Project Longevity Vaccine" and stuck on the planet.
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>>84234070
You people are blowing the "smek" thing out of proportions. It's just a fucking sound effect for a pitiful attempt at bitchslapping by creatures with twig-like arms and the strength of a starving hamster
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>>84234348
you know how memes work, don't you anon?
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>>84234379
Yes, and i know when one is being run into the ground.
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>>84234074
They wouldn't have a long lifespan. Their hearts would give out far quicker than a humans, because of their smaller size and overly-excitable nature.
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>>84234348
Dont blame me(the shit artist), I only accepted a request, what I never done before.

I never got this smek thing like this, I were more concerned by the fact that someone (Kass) took the risk to hit an upper in rank (Vizlet).
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>>84234406
Anon, there are about 80 people who read the comic on /co/. That is barely enough to warrant any excessive usage of meme.
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>>84234456
>I were more concerned by the fact that someone (Kass) took the risk to hit an upper in rank (Vizlet)
She's an ambassador. It's not like she could be punished. It would be putting an end to the relationship between this Yiglet clan and Cass' people, and nobody wins anything with that.

Worse that could happen is her being returned to her people alongside polite request for a new more respectful one, and that's not going happen because both Vizlet and that one human dude in charge want Cass in there for their own personal reasons.
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>>84234535
Good thing she is not in Sparta, ambassadors kinda had a bad time there.
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Feels like the comic did a fake-out early on about what it was going to be about.

I did not see that transformation coming.

Hopefully we'll see more of the weird rag-tag group of red shirts back in town in the next chapter (I assume this goes in chapters and this is currently chapter 2).

Yannit seems to have been shafted the most when the actual plot kicked in.
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>>84235458

If you look closely at some of the panels, you can see that Yannit has been trailing them from a distance
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>>84235544
If that's true, then I haven't noticed.

I only just read this all this morning.
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>>84235458
>I did not see that transformation coming.
Oh anon.
Adorable, naive anon.
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>>84235774
well yeah, if you read the comic with no idea of the premise starting from the beginning it does come out of nowhere.
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Would you lead scavs in battle?
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>>84235830

I reckon there wouldnt be time for battle on account of all the sex we'd be havin'

>>84235821

I agree
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>>84235774
My only point of reference for this comic before reading from the beginning was the comic in the OP, which in no way indicates that transformation had taken place.

So before reading this I thought it was going to shift focus from one species to the next while some kind of economic plot unfolded.
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>>84235544
Wait what
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>>84235821
It's just funny to hear that. Considering I've yet to see anyone who was reading BEFORE the transformation. Everyone knows the hook before going in, or at least has a morbid inkling (followed by them reading from the start to check if they're right).
It was probably the "fake-out" comment that tickled me more. As though anon thinks the transformation was an act of impulse Val drew whilst high instead of the idea that inspired the comic's creation in the first place.
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>>84235914
Well fair enough. The strip that kicked off these threads has dialogue that specifically implies the sexy ratbird wasn't always a sexy ratbird. And the posts in every thread since discuss it so I assumed new catches would get the picture.
Credit due: there isn't as much as I thought there was in this specific thread.
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Ahh I see ppl started to discuss how you got into OoP as a reader.

I found OoP more then a year ago, and if I would not see a fanart from Packmind on FA, I would never ever find it.

The story/setting highly reminds me of a Dos game called "Albion", kinda the same feeling what I had back then...

Then I decided to draw them and make my own iteration of the setting while staying as true to the original as I can.

I would not be drawing this much if I would not find OoP, and at some point Im not entirely sure if its a good or a bad thing.
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>>84235830
i can imagine scavs might be useful in trench warfare
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>>84236671
Yinglet digging Team ready for zervice,zir!!!
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>>84236611
S'a good thing.
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>>84232288
>Somewhere in a grey area between low-fantasy and soft sci-fi.

Travelling Moon revealed as semi-parked human empire colony ship that occasionally drops ultra-high-tech garbage related to genetic modification and terraforming into the oceans for Yinglets to find washed up on shore when?
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>>84236060
Again, no point of reference or prior knowledge of this comic outside of the OP and seeing the "smek" fight posted in a Poppy thread when that sound effect was used for a goodnight kiss.

So I didn't have any idea at all what I was getting into.

First impression I got was from a crop of the "smek" fight page and I thought it was some kind of Egyptian cats fighting.
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>>84237173
Come on anon, wasn't the comic's tagline a clue?
"A story of inconvenient changes."
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I want to see a yinglet eat a watermelon slice
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>>84237332
I want to see a yinglet try to eat a watermelon that isn't cut apart.

The idiot would probably try eating it like an apple.
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>>84237406

I want to see a yinglet eating a watermelon while on a slip and slide
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>>84237443
I want to see a yinglet trying to eat a watermelon frozen into a block of ice.
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>>84237406
>implying it wouldn't use the shell-tooth to crack open the outside, then just shove it's head through the hole to gorge itself
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>>84237480
>Implying it wouldn't try to eat the watermelon whole like a grape
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>>84237494
>implying a yinglet knows what grapes taste like
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>>84237506
>implying a yinglet is that stupid
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>>84237521
>implying I meant anything to do with intelligence and not the fact that grapes would be used to make wine by humans and yinglets would have little to no access to them
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>>84237536
>implying you know the intricacies of the overall trade system within the lands enough to make a statement like that.
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>>84237565
>implying I can't make reasonable assumptions based on the shown yinglet society and diet
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>>84237587
>implying you know about the other yinglet society that was talked about which is wary of the new yinglet society that is seen.
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>>84237406

Im pretty sure they would eat the whole water melon, all part of it with out a problem.
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>>84237302
I thought it was about how the guy's life on the social ladder and position in society got all jumbled by the war.
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>>84237847
>all jumbled by the war

Ah yes...the...'war'
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>>84237847
Man, you are innocent, aren't you?

Word of advice, the term "watersports" does not involve pool toys or actual sports.
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>>84237876
First few pages kind of made a point of the "war" that messed up the region.

So exploring the site, there's a side story comic about another guy who gets turned into a female yinglet.

So this isn't an isolated incident.
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what was your 'war', /co/?
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>>84237406
I want to see a Yinglet taking a watermelon.
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>>84237911

Ahh yes....the...'transformation' incident...
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>>84237053

Off: In my version of the planet, it was a testing ground of a long dead civ. (protoculture).
The green rock thing contained a very advanced genetic re-sequencer (not a virus, like in Star Trek: Enterprise) programmed to make Yinglets.

The amount of sentient life also supports this, because naturally only one or two animal species reach the stage of evolution to gain sentience (see Neanderthals vs early humans).

The Protoculture may added new species to the planet and or set up a defense what makes any spaceship crash on the planet (and maybe destroy all tech what would surpass a level, like all nuclear reactor amount of energy).

Ofc this all would not clear up the fact that: why would the shipwrecked crew would lose their knowledge and remaining tech?
Once there was a French animation series with a sci-fi setting... I forgot its title, but it was like "Once Upon a Time... Man".

There were an episode what were about a crashed ship, the crew started to live and act like the Greek gods and the natives worshiped them XD Until a (fool) came down and started to teach the natives... Prometheus :)

but yeah, enuff from my own semi-related ramblings.
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>>84237899
Don't be mean to him.
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>>84237955
>>Once there was a French animation series with a sci-fi setting... I forgot its title, but it was like "Once Upon a Time... Man".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Upon_a_Time..._Space
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>>84237911
That's a commission. Not necessarily canon (although Val's said it' the closest to being canon since it's explicitly the same setting).
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>>84238068
I wasn't, that's why I gave him advice. You wouldn't want someone like that stumbling across something like that. That's how trauma happens.
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So I've been trying to pronounce "hyanoisyskank" to figure out what supposedly derogatory words it's supposed to be, but I can't seem to figure it out.

It's making me feel dumb.
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>>84238580
"Hi, ya noisy skank!"
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>>84238580
What
>>84238616
Said.

"Hey ya noisy skank!" is also acceptable.
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>>84238616
>>84238644
Ah, the bunched up sys is what kept throwing me off.

Thanks.
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>>84217354
i don't no why but this really really got to me, why wreck his fancy hat it was so fancy and he loved it so much, it's just pointless cruelty.
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>>84238679
Bet you the first sign of Kass coming to like him is either getting it repaired or giving him an even fancier one.
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>>84238732
FANCIMUS PRIME! Yingbots roll out!
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>>84238679
Because TRAITOR!!!!

Consider us lucky we didn't have to watch the hat die.
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>>84233145
>Plus their unique mating biology means that each infant draws descent from a jizz jambalaya.
Yeah, and at first I thought I'd come up with something original, but I only recently learned that that's kinda how cat sex works.

>>84232347
Ooh nice idea! Gonna make this the sole focus of the comic now.

>>84232504
Eyyy, awesome! That's gotta count for something.

>>84237332
Actually, they could probably slice them up by popping a shelltooth in, then shaking their heads side to side, which is how they kill fish, rats, and whatever else they catch that's still moving.

>>84237476
This would probably result in multiple deaths, however. Don't ask me how, they're just yinglets.

>>84237847
Welllll that's ONE way that certain characters were put "Out of Place!" See, it works on multiple levels because the depth of my genius is unmatched

>>84237911
That story is about as close to canon as any commission I've drawn, but even that falls into a sort of "semi-canon" territory, as a big theme in this story is that what happened to Kass is unique, unexplained, and nobody's ever heard of any such thing ever happening.
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>>84238971
>Ooh nice idea! Gonna make this the sole focus of the comic now.
Not that guy, but now I find myself wanting a short comic about a yinglet with breasts attempting to be a prostitute and failing horribly.
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>>84230900
they look tasty and easy to roast...
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>>84237406
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I want to see a Yinglet with wings.
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>>84238971

Be honest with me so I can adjust my expectations of the comic now.

Will Kass become human again?
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>>84239674
Holy shit.

Yinglets are gremlins.

The matriarch is the smart gremlin from Gremlins 2 who wanted "civilization".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byW49j2YSjE
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>>84239719
...

They pretty much are Gremlins with a lot less chaos on the human race.
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>>84239674
>Yinglet born with gliding flaps
>Gets really good at gliding from roof to roof, few crashes after the first year
>Decides to go for the coolest and longest glide ever
>Jumps from a seaside cliff
>Glides half a mile
>Splashes down
>Drowns because he can't swim
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>>84239755

What is with this murder lust against Yinglets?
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>>84239755
was this yinglet perhaps especially fluffy
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>>84239802
They canonically have a pretty high mortality rate due to a combination of misfortune, being small, and the vast majority of them being kind of dumb.
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>>84239755

https://youtu.be/GPCK2ndQUNA?t=1m3s
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>>84239802
It's funny cause it's not happening to us.
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>>84238971
>but I only recently learned that that's kinda how cat sex works
I looked up the page it's from before posting because I had exactly this in mind. It ain't. Unless I'm mistaken all mammalian biology (maybe all binary reproductive biology) boils down to one egg + one sperm. Each kitten has one specific daddy. Your take of all the male genes getting shaken & stirred is the kind of originality that could only happen in a fantasy setting.
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>>84230774
>>84230785
Anyone ever stat Skritt for tabletop?
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>>84239425
I'm just gonna assume that's innuendo.
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>>84239674
That sounds terrifying.
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>>84239363
That's what I figured too.
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>>84237406
Like this?
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>>84240101
You're mistaken. That's generally how it works but there's a lot of exceptions. They've recently learned that humans, including the reproductive system, can be naturally frankensteined if they absorbed a sibling in the womb, or in rare instances were fertilized by multiple eggs. Then those offspring sometimes do not genetically match the mother, as it's the mother's sister's child.

Biology is fascinating and weird.
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>>84240223
Yes.
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>>84239829
Ynffly. We need a spin-off comic of fluffy lesser yinglets being abused.
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>>84240314
never again
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>>84239755
>>84239802
>Yinglets become the new fluffy ponies
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>>84240223
heeheeeeeee!
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>>84240246
Those are some very specific exceptions, though. I was talking species-wide.
At any rate, cool trivia. Thanks for sharing.
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>>84240331

That is exactly what I do not want. That shit was horrible.
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>>84240530
As long as we don't bring too much attention over here, we won't attract the kind of people who gets off to that stuff
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This guy got a website now? Damn. I was reading his stuff when it was only posted on FA
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>>84239802
>>84239829
>>84240314
>>84240331
>>84240530
>>84240630
Sorry guys, it was a joke that was supposed to fit the tone of the comic and make you feel sorry for the poor, silly little Yinglet.

I do not condone Yingabuse.
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>>84240795
it's too late now
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>>84240795

You dun goofed
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>>84240795
DESTROY US ALL
DESTROY US ALL
DESTROY US ALL
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>>84240795
It's too late now. It's happening
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>>84240795
>I do not condone Yingabuse.

Spoken like someone who likes to abuse Yinglets.
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>>84240814
>>84240887
>>84240937
>>84240962
>>84240975
Well, shit.

I shall henceforth head off to begin the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty To Yinglets.

I'm taking donations of oysters and other shellfish.
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>>84239425
Haha no they eat all sorts of stuff that's toxic to most forms of life, and they're all sorts of gamey and stringy. What better way to avoid being hunted than by proving to be wildly disproportionate in terms of effort required to catch one of these ADHD squirrelly things vs. theoretical reward of actually catching one?

>>84239363
YESSSS this really illustrates the way their stupid little legs look in movement. I love this gif.

>>84240223
YEAH PRETTY MUCH

>>84239705
Maaaan that's one of those things that's tied into the plotline so closely that I cannot spoil that, even if I really wish I could.

Can I ask, though; what's the reason you want to know? Would taking the story one way seem especially disappointing, and/or is there one you think should happen, given what you've seen in the story so far?

Getting an idea of what people are thinking when they read this thing is really helpful.

>>84239322
Damn, every time I convince myself that I should hold off on commissions and focus on the main comic, someone pitches an idea like this. Damn you people.

>>84239719
Oh wow, that's a really good comparison, actually. I gotta rewatch that now. If a spider-yinglet gets included in the story soon, you'll know where it came from.

>>84240101
>>84240246
Oh good! My thing is still a special snowflake. Thanks for looking that up.

>>84240314
So the question then becomes whether or not they secretly like it.

>>84240331
>>84240530
Yeeeeahhh that's something I'd really like to avoid, although it's hard to get upset by anyone who not only took the time to read the stuff I've drawn, but also enjoy it enough to want to draw something about it, and make the effort to do it, which makes me all sorts of happy.

I'm saying this having not yet seen a yinglet in diapers yet, though.

>>84240706
Yeah, I wanted to have enough stuff to read built up to justify making a site for it, when posting to DA/FA takes just a couple minutes.
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>>84240962
>>84240962
Seriously though, things have been fun and happy long enough, it's time for everyone to be sad now forever
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>>84241626
>it's time for everyone to be sad now forever


...that isn't ominous at all.
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>>84241595
>I'm saying this having not yet seen a yinglet in diapers yet, though.
Goddamnit Val, don't say those sorts of things around here. Someone will do it!
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I'm gonna need an establishing shot sometime in the future with a lesser yinglet standing around doing its thing
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>>84241626
You're going to have to study at the feet of a master to pull that off.
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>>84241595
>spider-yinglet
Only if a Baxxid and a Yinglet somehow manage to make offspring together.
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>>84220708
>>84226591
>inb4 they transform themselves into sergals.
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>>84241595
>Can I ask, though; what's the reason you want to know?

Cause I just want to know how I am going to be rooting for Kass. Will he become a paragon for the Yinglet, and help lead their society? Will he become human again and because of his experience really help defend the Yinglets so they can grow higher but on their own?

Honestly the transformation stuff really weirds me out but the comic has my attention because of the world building and stuff has piqued interest.

Honestly I just want Isher and Kass to bump uglies. She deserves it.
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>>84241815
Meh, give Val some Prequel and Endtown to read, he'll be good to go.
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>>84241595
>Can I ask, though; what's the reason you want to know? Would taking the story one way seem especially disappointing, and/or is there one you think should happen, given what you've seen in the story so far?
Speaking for myself, although I would prefer one ending over the other, I wouldn't want to be told until we get there. Gambling with potential disappointed adds to the drama.
And besides, there's ways of doing the "disappointing" ending that are as good as the preferred one. If not better. I've got faith.
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>>84242118
>Honestly the transformation stuff really weirds me out

Then this isn't the comic for you. Im sorry, but that is intrinsic to the story.
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>>84242358
Been there, done that.
Kass is doomed.
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>>84242409
Man chill out. There's plenty to like besides. The normies aren't gonna take your toys.
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>>84242454

I know there is plenty to like. Im just saying TF isn't leaving anytime soon.

Hell, I don't even really like TF, but it works so well in the story.
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Ha ha, this current line of discussion about will he or won't he ever change back reminds me of a character /d/ made called Dragon Cuntboy Knight.

The various stories of a knight who was cursed by a dragon to have a dragon snatch and all the things that come with it.
Now he quests to find a way to reclaim his dick while having so many encounters along the way.
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No offense to the creator but I though this was just a really uncommonly good fetish comic. I had no idea there was a big following here or anywhere. Does it actually have mainstream popularity?
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>>84242638
>I though this was just a really uncommonly good fetish comic

Thats the weird thing. Like, it has TF in it, but that really isn't the main draw. It is the fleshed out world and the characters I care about.

As for your question, idk. Some known artists talk about it.
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>>84242638
It's on it's way. The fanbase got a bump once it started having threads here, and once Chochi did some fanart it got a massive bump in numbers from Chochi's fans. Not the most popular webcomic in the world yet, but then again we are just now getting to near the end of the first chapter, and webcomic fanbases tend to grow with the archives.
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>>84242638
It seems rather niche to me.

I had never even heard of it until today despite there having been threads made as far back as October of last year according to the archives.

It's probably around the same level of notoriety as Dragon's Burn.
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>>84242694
>It's probably around the same level of notoriety as Dragon's Burn.

Now that is a bold statement.
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>>84242638
as somebody somebody who doesn't read this comic it kind of does look like a fetish comic. Then I read the threads and it isn't porn image dumps so i don't know.
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>>84242733
No, it's my dated point of reference since I haven't checked if Dragon's Burn's popularity suddenly went up since any months ago.
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>>84242782

That is my point. I dont know a single fur that doesn't know what dragon's burn is.
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>>84242733
>>84242782
Dragon's Burn is fucking garbage
people read that trash?
people know it for anything other than the first image with the bigger sword line?
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>>84242813
Calm down, bro. The question was about notoriety.
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>>84242847
no im angry
angry about shitty furry comics
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What are the natural predators of Yinglets?

Do some humans like to use their hide as coats?
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>>84242638
>No offense to the creator but I though this was just a really uncommonly good fetish comic
Nobody's denying that.
Not even the creator, I think.
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>>84242917

What is that reference originally from? Is it Dorf fort?
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>>84242947
/tg/. /tg/ had a habit of ranting and raving about how they hated elves, someone took the old Simcity(I wanna say 2000) image of that guy saying "YOU CAN'T CUT BACK FUNDING, YOU'LL REGRET THIS!" and changed it to "I'M ANGRY, ANGRY ABOUT ELVES!". Then it got changed from some guy to a wizard. And that's the current form of it.
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>>84241626
Oh, everyone will certainly be sad forever
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>>84243011
Wasn't the original message being angry about budget cuts?
>>84242944
Man, I liked the comic and I won't deny that I have an obsession with ramifications of TF but seeing people finding yinglets sexy weird me out to no end.
The commissions the artist gets also make me a bit uneasy but I guess whatever makes them money, and they probably like doing them too.
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>>84243011
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>>84243133
Once again, the creator would agree with you.
They designed Yinglets to be the most repulsive creatures they could think of and still got flooded with porn requests.
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>>84243110
Oh God, what did I start?

>Goes back to making "Save the Yinglets" t-shirts
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>>84243161
I get the vibes he's not really that opposed to it.
My only two wishes for him is seeing him improving his human drawings and not fucking up with going full fetish later on.
After all, he's making sure to point that Kass' new instincts are taking a toll on his mind.
And I think the latter can make interesting character development but I don't want no smut.
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>>84237955
>because naturally only one or two animal species reach the stage of evolution to gain sentience

You can't really make statements like this when you only have a sample size of one.

And I think you mean sapience. Sentience is the ability to feel and perceive the world, so cats, dogs and bunnies are sentient.
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>>84243133
Well, it was either that one, or the one where the guy is saying "QUIT HITTING THE TORNADO BUTTON YOU CHUCKLEFUCK!"

>>84243206
>My only two wishes for him is seeing him improving his human drawings and not fucking up with going full fetish later on.
Well, you are in luck then. I think it was the first thread where Val visited people mentioned his humans kinda sucked. He agreed, and said he would work on it, so there's probably gonna be some improvements there sooner or later.

And as for the second one, many people expressed interest in his NOT turning the comic into fetish fuel, and Val agreed. All the full fetish stuff is just for non-canon and commission stuff, he's planning on keeping it out of the comic proper.
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>>84243217

Not the guy you quoted, but fuck me. You're right

>>84243011

Thanks. I couldn't place it for some reason. Haven't been to /tg/ in years.
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>>84242782
why is katia in this i dont understand
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>>84243459
>Ok, what the fuck is this Dragon's Burn shit everyone is talking about?
>google
>four page pool on e621

Jesus, that's a lot of material.
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>>84242638
>tfw you have a fetish for skintight clothes and leotards

>tfw per your definition this makes every cape comic a fetish comic
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>>84242118
Yeah, I can understand that. And hearing that you're not into the TF stuff but are still reading makes me glad that I've gone with the content balance I've struck with this story; you're apparently not the only one. I'm aiming to make this entertaining, first and foremost.

>>84242358
Oh I am totally familiar with these, and just how much a protagonist can be stomped into the ground. While I like that aspect in those comics, I'd rather take a different approach in this one.

>>84243161
Haha, not so much repulsive as really awkward-looking, yet not so aesthetically displeasing that they're hard to look at. But yeah a lot of them eat trash and stuff; they're kinda like hobos
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>>84229950

Or acquire their fancy elder race knowledge, like fire.

>>84229970

I thought fat breasts were a common female trait for yinglets. Although Kass' human DNA may make her the equivalent of Tiffany Towers.

It's beginning to be easy to forget this comic isn't all about yinglets.
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>>84243776
>But yeah a lot of them eat trash and stuff; they're kinda like hobos
Dat fresh citrusy scent, though.

From toxic swamp plant soap.

... can you get a rash just from touching them?
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>>84243776

Anyone ever tell you that your dialogue is very similar to Feretta?

That is a good thing.
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>>84243217

Ah yes thx, Im have been living in falsehood of the meaning of this word since SM:Alpha Centauri then...

I dont know where did I heard/read this 1-2 sapient species, but it was a well built up theory, ofc based on the only available source (Earth).

It also theorized that the Neanderthals were driven to extinction by early humans, tho they did not knew if it was direct conflict or simple competition for better territories.

I cant provide a source, but I think it was a documentary in tv.
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>>84243951
>It also theorized that the Neanderthals were driven to extinction by early humans, tho they did not knew if it was direct conflict or simple competition for better territories.

I heard Neanderthals interbred with crogmags. I've seen some guys that you'd think go about more than average neanderthal genes, ya'know.
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>>84243951

I think it is true that only 1-2 human-like sapient species can co-exist, but humans are a bit of a perfect storm of traits.

A sentient species without the ability to create and use tools (like the Baxxid), the ability to learn to read/write, or the ability to form complex social groups could probably not explode and out-compete everything else like the human race.
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>>84244246
I can top that.

Sea.

You can be a Bottlenose Dolphin, with a huge brain (compared to body size) yet never had the chance to become a full sapient species because you happen to live in an environment what does not let you develop tool use.

I could say use of hands, but then someone could say Octopus and other nautiloid, witch are also very advanced brain wise.

Think of it, how much more evolution time do sea based life has and yet the Mammals did the thing within a tiny margin of that....

Its 5:18am, I go and try to sleep now.
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>>84242922
ANYTHING bigger than them...
ANYTHING smaller than them,also.

They're walking rat-bird snacks for ANY wild animal predator,that's why they keep that hive-like way of life.
There's no report of sentient species eating other sentient creatures up to this point.
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>>84244410
>that's why they keep that hive-like way of life

Colony, not hive.
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>>84244437
Oh,yeah...I stand correct,thanks
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>>84244374
Check your DA PM, yo. I updated the mod to 1.2 but haven't tested it yet.
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>>84244374
The Octopus, and most relative multi-armed Cephalopods with high intellect (cuttlefish for instance) suffer from terminal breeding. They only breed once, which means they never meet their offspring, and thus there is no reason for them to advance beyond their current intellect as the kin-benefit of complex social structures cannot benefit them.
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>>84242638
>I had no idea there was a big following here or anywhere
It garnered attention when someone posted the smek bit a few times. Same sort of thing as what happened to Endtown

>>84242922
They're a brand new species, basically. The Greater Yinglet only appeared a little over 100 years ago.

They wouldn't have any natural predators, they're akin to an introduced species. If anything they should be ruining the ecosystems they appeared in

>>84243825
I should have been more specific. Yes. Kass is a Yinglet DD compared to their paltry Bs because of human.
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>>84244437

I'm sure some yinglets have tried living in trees in structures made of their own vomit, it probably just didn't work.
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>>84244868
>Kass is a Yinglet DD compared to their paltry Bs because of human.
>All those females blushing in jealousy making snide remarks how her fat sacs are hideous and not as sensitive as their flesh bumps.
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>>84245013
Yinglet females seem much less backstabby than human females. I suppose not viewing one another as competition does wonders, huh?
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>>84245124

The one of the field guide pages in the comic talks about how Yinglets are pretty adapted not to seriously fight among themselves, because they're so dependent on the group to survive.
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Well even if they do have any natural predators, they are hard to catch due to their high dex, which may take off more energy than their stringy meat provides, in which the meat itself is too gammy that it may cause food poisoning. So those predators have long learned that it's not worth it and keep their distance.
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>>84243110
pls no jump
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>>84244200
More recent DNA evidence suggests that Neanderthals and homo sapiens had essentially merged to become modern Europeans. It seems their DNA was more compatable than was hypothesized.
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Don't you die on me
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>>84246278
This is gonna be useful for X-men threads.
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>>84238971

Are yinglets so incompetent that their attempts to do things can count as unnecessarily complicated involuntary attempted suicide? Like that time on American Dad where the CIA pulled a Jurassic Park and cloned a dodo from old dna? EVERYTHING he did was curiosity and attempted suicide all in one.
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>>84244906
Pretty sure a couple yinglets said "Fuck this place, we'll live how WE want, without responsibilities!! Hakuna Matata!" Got 30 feet away from the colony, then crushed by a passing cart they didn't notice because they were still pimp-walking proudly with their eyes closed and heads proudly thrown back in a display of confidence, and not paying attention to their surroundings.
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>>84240136
gross! I meant literally eating them, not.... THAT

>>84241595
aww, stupid swamp planets and their stupid toxic fauna, ran into this same problem on Nal Hutta
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>>84250818
dammit anon you're killing my boner
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>>84217354
YES
I miss this comic far too much.
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How high-pitched are yinglets?
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>>84251164
http://www.valsalia.com/index_files/Extras/askAverageYinglet2.swf
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>>84251152
But it's not gone?
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>>84251310
The thread dies after a day usually.
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>>84251321
Then don't say that you miss the -comic- when you mean the -thread-, you stupid scav.
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>>84251419
Here's your (you).
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>>84251433
were you saving my screencaps
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>>84251499
Aren't we all?
We need more reaction pics from this anyways.
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It has been a good thread, but it is now time to die.

Till next time
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>>84252344 RIP
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>>84252344
I REFUSE
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>>84243855
Well if one's used "soap" recently, yeah! If you catch the scent of something nose-meltingly citric and there's a yinglet offering big hugs, it's probably best to punt it across the street and run.

>>84244645
Oh crap, I bet that's why I could never get octopi to build a sustainable civilization in SimEarth, no matter how many monoliths I dropped on 'em.

>>84244437
They're almost closer to a giant flock of trash-birds in the way thei view others of their species; the colony aspect is more due to the way their culture and leadership has developed.

>>84244868
>If anything they should be ruining the ecosystems they appeared in
Oh boy, do they ever. Mostly in the form of bringing their native semi-toxic swamp flora from their homelands with them and transplanting it wherever they set up enclaves.

It grows quickly and in all sorts of harsh conditions, which would be great for farming and paper production in inhospitable climates, if it weren't so awful for non-yinglets.

>>84244906
>>84250765
This really is a good illustration of why it's so rare to see any outside the enclaves.

>>84245752
Yep! They're not hard to kill, assuming you can catch one. But it's only for the truly hungry/desperate.

...Man, I am still surprised and delighted to be answering questions about these fictional little things I made up.

>>84250710
Kinda! There's no lack of gullible idiots, but there's also those who have lived long enough to convince the gullible idiots to take risks on their behalf. If they get good enough at this, they might rise to Patriarch status at some point.

>>84243110
>>84246023
But if he doesn't, then the rest of the species will never know if they can fly or not! Most leaps forward in yinglet culture have come from the commendable efforts of the risk-takers, and their equally commendable 99.5% mortality rate.

>>84254080
Whenever I get the time/motivation to make an "Ask a Baxxid" flash or something!
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>>84254438
Hop to it m80
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>>84254438
>>84244645
In order to have intelligent octopus/squids that form social communities, a large portion of the population would need to be born sterile.

Whoever can breed breeds young and the sterile ones pick out whichever kids from the brood they want to raise.
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Threads on it's way out, so I went ahead and screencapped Val's last post for the next thread.
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>>84256451
... why?
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>>84256451
The thread is only a little over half way to bump limit.

It still has a lot of potential life left in it for anyone who wants to keep it to go about keeping it up.
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>>84256476
In case anyone missed it, not everyone sticks to threads until they die. Hell, not everyone even visits daily.

>>84256516
Yeah, this is usually the part where the thread dies.
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>>84257215
Even after they die, they're in /co/ archive for a week and Val doesn't really give any heavy worldbuilding that isnt in the comic
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Yinglets lay eggs?
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>>84257906
yes
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>>84257906
4 - 7 a clutch if I remember the page that stated it right.
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>>84257943
>>84257953

What if the thing that transformed him was a yinglet egg that broke on him.
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>>84256451
>>84256516
>>84257215
Do you think the amount of time we keep a given thread alive is proportional to the amount of time we have to wait between strips?
If we didn't distract Val for 3-4 days with questions and fan art would he get down to the next update quicker?
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>>84258068

That is a silly thought.
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>>84258068
Don't rush him, man
He's still learning and trying to settle on a solid way of doing things
Trying to push him for sheer quantity of updates isn't gonna help

Calm your ratbird lust
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>>84258124
>sheer quantity of updates

Yeah. Look how shit Endtown has become.
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>>84257976
They're repeatedly called it an artifact and as has been said ITT, the idea is that it's never happened before.
Besides, bring able to menstrually produce handheld transmogrifiers would put A LOT of power in yingletkinds court. Totally undermines them being Valsalian society's punchline.
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>>84258144
What if they call eggs artifacts?
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>>84258124
Oh I'm happy with one strip a week.
Considering this latest one was on Saturday and the one before that was a Wednesday though I'm a little paranoid atm.
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>>84258141
No look you don't get to use Endtown as an example. It's an outlier and to claim otherwise is a load of shit.

Endtown has been going solidly for like 7 years. It has hundreds of strips. Aaron worked himself into the fucking hospital for Endtown. It's his life's work.

He's had a SHITLOAD of experience and practice to get himself to where he's comfortable updating as much as he does.

Valsalia only picked up drawing a few years back. He's still working things out, as you can see by the conversations he's had here on /co/ regarding his shading. To compare them, even loosely is just plain wrong.

>>84258280
Just be chill anon. It takes as long as it takes. As long as we don't start getting into Prequel territory we're all good
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>>84258359
>No look you don't get to use Endtown as an example. It's an outlier and to claim otherwise is a load of shit.

I can and I will and I just did. Putting yourself in a hospital for a web comic is not something to be lauded over. That is insanity.
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>>84258523
Exactly, and he's still not a picture of health.

Just because Endtown or SSSS can update a lot doesn't mean every webcomic should be able to, especially with the sheer difference in experience between the artists.
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>>84258565

I think we are arguing the same point but you got angry that I likened it to endtown.
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>>84258608
I thought you were being sarcastic about Endtown. I see no problem with Endtown's quality. The way the story is playing out isn't to everyone's taste but in the end it's always been steered more by what Aaron wants than what the fans want.
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>>84258646
>I see no problem with Endtown's quality.

We are having that conversation of the endtown thread right now actually. The issue is how convienently things happen in the comic with emphasis on the last couple of panels. (for the record I do think this arc is the worst arc in all of endtown)

But that is neither here nor there. Val is doing a great job, and I look forward to every update. Rather slow and good than fast and bad.
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>>84258068
No.

As far as I'm aware this has an irregular update schedule, so having a thread up about it would in no way impact the amount of time between pages.
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>>84257943
>Male of great intelligence and ability, who developed the hunting/war tactic that yinglets still use today
>Conquered the entirety of the yinglet triers
>established a new, unified culture, claiming to receive guidance from the stars above to bring his species to greatness.

inb4 this yinglet king was a some human noble woman or knight who got transformed into a male yinglet.
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>>84258906
Doesn't even need to be a noble or knight

Greater Yinglets are dumb as fuck and the great leader basically just gave them rudimentary knowledge, things any normal human would know or work out.

The war tactic he taught them? Surround them. If they turn on you, back off. If they look away, jab. One of the most basic pack animal fighting techniques.

It's pretty obvious that the Leader was a human, but yeah doesn't need to be a soldier or noble.
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>>84258068
>If we didn't distract Val for 3-4 days with questions and fan art would he get down to the next update quicker?
Maybe *very* slightly, but all the good feedback gets me motivated to draw more, so I think it's a net gain.

>>84258359
>He's had a SHITLOAD of experience and practice to get himself to where he's comfortable updating as much as he does.
This is a huge factor, yeah. Both Endtown and Poppy started with the artist being already experienced and everything looking much like it currently does by page 1, whereas half the reason I started drawing this thing is because I knew it was just about the only way to keep myself drawing consistently enough to improve over time.

>>84258691
>The issue is how convienently things happen in the comic with emphasis on the last couple of panels.
This is something that has a lot to do with the page formatting used, something that Endtown, Poppy and OOPs all have different takes on.

Endtown (which I really like by the way) uses the more traditional newspaper "strip"-style comic format, which means that things have to be set up and wrap up in quick vignettes, yet also tell a larger story when read in order.

Poppy uses a normal comic book-style format, which reads like a seamless graphic novel when you read through the archives, which allows the author to take plenty of time to pace out the interactions and plot.

The format I'm using is kinda something in between; self-contained vignettes that contain their own little story and tell a larger one when read in order, but also without any limit on page size/number of panels that the other two formats use. If I think a couple extra panels of reaction shots could help, I can just slip as many as I need in there.

This makes it a bit more difficult to pace the page releases though, as some are as short as 4 panels, and others might take up to 16+ if there's something big going on that might lose its impact if divided into separate comic strips.
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>>84258975
Ya maybe the yinglets high elders planned this all along, they're slowly amassing a huge stockpile of weird magical trinkets and when the time is right, they hope to slowly transform humans into greater yinglets, that way it solves the ridiculously skewed male to female ratio, as well as propel them from a stone age hunter-gatherer society into at least a Medieval/Renaissance era one.
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Hey Val, your comic was the talk of the town at the Transformation panel at Anthrocon
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>>84259166
Or maybe, since they're the ones in power and would thus have the greatest access to females, they are hoarding the artifacts to AVOID a new Leader

they might be anti-progress
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>>84259179
Really! Well that's gotta count for something. How was it mentioned/brought up/discussed/etc etc? You've got me all curious.
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>>84259686
It was brought up as an example of transformation dealing more with the repercussions rather than the change itself. A few other people heard of it including me. I wasn't even the one that brought it up either. Talked about it for like 6 or 7 minutes, and Chase Skunk, the guy hosting the panel, definitely wanted to get into it after hearing about it
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TROS-newfag here (The Riddle of Steel, tabletop with great damage system).

How well would Yinglets do with Chinese straight swords or rapiers? Those are weapons designed to compensate for a serious lack of upper-body or arm strength, relying more on cutting or slashing rather than powering through armor.

Since these are usually light weapons, I think it's a better weapon for a species who lacks significant muscle mass.

Admittedly, IIRC they weren't used against fully armored opponents, or are not commonly depicted in those situations.
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>>84260023
Interesting! That is pretty much the focus of Kass' storyline, so it's nice to hear that stands out.

>>84260129
Scaled down to their size, they might take well to weapons like that. The only area where they're not weak is making hard forward thrusts from their upper arms, originally developed to plunge forward into shallow waters to catch fish.

So modern yinglets have a fair amount of quick-twitch muscle fiber there, which is why spears and daggers tends to be their preferred armaments.
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>>84260129

Yinglets are best served as Dragoons or trappers
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>>84259179
>the Transformation panel at Anthrocon
I've been getting funny feelings in my peepee since Rock-A-Doodle-Doo and seeing this string of words still weirds me the fuck out.
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>>84256239

That's how Sam's species in Freefall works doesn't it?

"You wanna have kids? Because the Smiths down the road had sex so there's a pile of them in their yard."

>>84257943

That could work if the fertilized gametes underwent a secondary meiosis in utero then recombined.

That would mean that the children would have 3/4 of the mother's genes though.

Unless the secondary gametes could either merge with another egg, or be fertilized by another sperm.

Of course there's also the possiblility that Yinglet don't have a distinction between egg and sperm cells. If fertilization is possible between two male gametes but the embryo can only develop in a female you could get that kind of cross. But then there's the problem that the mother may wind up with a kid who has no genetic relationship.

In summary, Yinglet sex is a land of contrasts.
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>>84260375
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>>84260410

You some kind of medicine man or somethin'?
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>>84260410
I'm used to freefall being somewhat not well received on /co/, so, looking what happened further up, I didn't want to name drop it in the thread.
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>>84260482
I haven't seen anyone badmouth freefall, its just not that popular
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>>84260508
Main complaint around here is usually the art.

I'm not following it for the art though.
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>>84260410
>But then there's the problem that the mother may wind up with a kid who has no genetic relationship

Would that not describe why each Yinglet is very different and that the species has a penchant for mutation?
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>>84260482

Freefall is an interesting case. It's like the webcomic version of a Coelacanth. It became what it was during the during the late 90's, and hasn't changed significantly since.
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>>84260559

Yeah, but why invest the resources to bear a kid that shares none of your DNA, when you could be bearing a kid that does? Of course, evolutionary pressures apply to the group as well as the individual. So making sure that there's strong kin bonds within the group might be worth it, particularly if their social structure and development means that having kids isn't as risky for Yinglets as it is for humans.

That's kind of the problem with evolutionary biology. You wind up telling 'Just So' stories but with kin selection taking the place of talking animals.
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>>84260694

This is interesting. I will reply why I think what I said is true due to a sociological aspect of their hierarchy and culture having direct correlation to the raising of young, but right now I am going to make dinner.

Main point:
For Yinglets, Kinship doesn't matter and you are looking through a biased(re:human) looking glass.
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>>84260420
I've been marathoning this show as I've drawn the last couple pages/commissions, so seeing it here is kinda surreal.

>>84260559
>>84260694
Good points! There isn't much innate connection between parents and offspring, except for some cases where a particular "donor" might notice that one of the younglets in the most recent batch looks/acts/etc a whole lot like them, in which case they might take a liking to them and/or act as a sort of "big buddy" figure.

They really don't think much about who begat who, except for the Matriarch, who obsesses about it constantly if she's a good Matriarch since she's in charge of directing the focus of an enclave's breeding patterns.

The downside of this is that there's not a lot of built-in support for young ones, and a number of males need to be bribed into staying in the enclave and act as nannies to get the younglets through their early helpless stages.

Some just like being nannies though, and the guarantee of food/shelter certainly doesn't hurt.
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>>84260914
>Some just like being nannies though, and the guarantee of food/shelter certainly doesn't hurt.

So there could be a Patriarch of Being a Cool Big Bro?
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>>84261006
There could, and that would probably result in a lot more competent childcare, and/or quality of the adults later on!

The emergence of a Patriarch is largely based on chance, though; a yinglet's gotta live long enough to become decent at their particular specialty, and a fair amount of perfectly competent candidates are lost to various accidents before they can start specializing.

And what they'll be good at can be slightly influenced by a Matriarch purposely favoring breeding for yinglets with a particular set of strengths, but otherwise it's pretty random.

An enclave might be in dire need of a Patriarch with farming skills, but instead get an entire generation of Patriarchs that are expert speed-knitters.

It's a problem in the enclave system that has yet to find a decent solution to.
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>>84260914

That raises some questions. Can a matriarch enforce either monogamy, or at least specific exclusions on certain pairings, on the females and patriarchs? Or are they more trying to make a big pile of individuals with good traits and hoping for the best?

Can patriarchs be demoted? Say one has no interest or ability to breed; or carries a genetic disorder.

Are males and females traded? In the comic Vizlet mentions them being hoarded, so what governs their movement. E.g. would the matriarch of an enclave that needs physical strength and size come to Vislet and say: "I'll trade you a smart female and a cartload of tools for Poak"?

... I'm starting to edge into creepy here aren't I?
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>>84260410

>That could work if the fertilized gametes underwent a secondary meiosis in utero then recombined.
>That would mean that the children would have 3/4 of the mother's genes though.
Something about that sounds wrong, but I'm far too tired to try figure out what it really is.
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>>84261260
>a yinglet's gotta live long enough to become decent at their particular specialty, and a fair amount of perfectly competent candidates are lost to various accidents before they can start specializing.

... I just realised that when it came to choosing a way of life for Yinglets, nature basically selected "Roguelike".
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>>84261335

I think you're right. I believe I was assuming that the 2nd generation gametes would recombine with the other eggs on an equal chance, when there's no reason that would happen. Either that or I was somehow thinking Yinglet males were haploid. This is why I try to limit myself to talking about entirely fictional genetics.
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>>84261488
They could be some mad new form of polyploidy.
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>>84260785
>kinship doesn't matter
Something something "selfish gene" something something.
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>>84261663

"Yinglet chromosomes are about as fragile as a biscuit, but they have an awful lot of them, in weird combinations, so it all seems to work out, more or less."
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>>84261954
Polyploidy confirmed.
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>>84261299
It's only creepy if eugenics is creepy! Which it really, really tends to be throughout human history.

It apparently does weird things when primate social psychology is involved.

>>84261715
>>84261954
This really is a running theme with these little jerks; millennia of evolution has strictly guided most flora and fauna towards extremely specialized and efficient forms.

With yinglets, it's more like "Well, this is how they are now and they're still around, so I guess it works, whatever"
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>>84260535
>>84260482

What's good about it then?
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>>84262974

If I'm honest, I'm mostly reading it out of familiarity at this point. I enjoy the characters, and I like some of the concepts he came up with, but eh. I can't really say "this is great you should read it".
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>>84262974
Its nice.
Characters are fun and generally likable, the overarching plot is reasonably interesting without being too involved so you don't get lost despite it running for decades, the setting is an actually pretty novel light-hearted take on a post scarcity far future society.
Basically it feels like a newspaper comic that's actually worth reading.
Florence is cute
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>>84258068
Nah, I was just trying to save him the trouble of answering the same questions again. Given the thread revived, it's no longer needed.

>>84262974
I read it for the plot. Humor isn't what it was towards the beginning, but still gets a decent strip every now and then.
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>>84261394
>... I just realised that when it came to choosing a way of life for Yinglets, nature basically selected "Roguelike".
Massive Chalice Yinglet mod when?
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>>84261394
They are locked into an eternal game of DCSS. It makes perfect sense.
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>>84263761
Anon what could yinglets offer that isn't already done by kobolds?
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>>84263619
It was a rhetorical question senpai don't worry bout it
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>>84261802
Shouldn't they be bumping into each other and going "D'OH!"?
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>>84259052
>Endtown (which I really like by the way) uses the more traditional newspaper "strip"-style comic format, which means that things have to be set up and wrap up in quick vignettes, yet also tell a larger story when read in order.
If you put a bunch of strips together it's basically a storyboard.
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>>84262031
Needs a sign: "wil du 'stuf' 4 oystrz..."
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>>84264611
>that first beat
Every fucking time.
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Oh yeah; lemme ask you lot something.

Did anyone notice that the shading on the characters on this page was pretty minimal?

It's one element that until recently I've been spending a solid chunk of time on, until realizing that (I think) things look pretty decent with just a few touches instead of soft-shading every surface.

Since I've been working to decrease the amount of time I spend drawing each page, I'm thinking this might be a good area to simplify, as it took a good 2-3 hours of overall production time off.
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>>84266596
Honestly, it looks fine to me.
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>>84262974
The characters and the setting are interesting to me, and I like the story.
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>>84266596
It works just fine. Try to read up on shortcuts production animators use if you are interested in saving time on panels.
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>>84266596

I didn't notice, so it seems like a good area to simplify.
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>>84266596
If you made this change that saved you hours of work and nobody noticed, KEEP IT! Definitely helps your productivity to save time like that.
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Where did the name "Yinglet" come from?
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>>84267360
I kept thinking they were called yinglings since that's a word I've heard used to describe someone made stupid by alcohol before.
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Discussing yinglets social structure is FUN

...why is it so FUN?

RTS OOP when?
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page 9 bump
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Just started reading this on a rec and I'm hooked. Have a bump, wanna read the thread once I'm caught up.
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>>84265742
She tends to do that.
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>>84267795
worldbuilding, anon
always enjoyable
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>>84270525
Alright, I'm double-hooked. This comic seems like it's steering clear of hard fetish territory while still keeping lots of interesting elements and organic world building, and my mind is going several places with the plot. Really thirsty for more!

This was probably addressed before but has the artist considered a Patreon?
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>>84271882
He doesn't seem confident enough for that. Though you can commision him or donate, if that's your thing.
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>>84270840
...Is that cleavage?
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>>84272165
Yes. She has a nice bum, too, for a koala.
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>>84272165
>>84272192
She had the best human figure as well.
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>>84272080
I wonder if he'll get a new fancy hat.

He has some worth to the trade master when they bring him back with them. He dug up that artifact so he knows where it was.
Kass also overheard the mentioning of that artifact, and how it's being kept secretive, so that's also valuable information.

He's actually had a rather lucrative first day on the job in obtaining intel.
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>>84267493
Is it polish?
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>>84273627
Val implied the Fancy Hat has a tragic backstory, so I'm guessing Kass smeks the smek out of him and then when s(he) runs out of energy/patience for listening to him try to whine convincingly about her weak smeking goes off and has it fixed up for him and we hear the story.
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>>84273690
For all I know it could've been, it's just something I've heard around before.

I always thought it was a regional thing like how in some places an idiot is called an "igit" (id-jet).

>>84273727
Maybe to get him talking in earnest they'll fix his hat.
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>>84272080
Is it cheating if the commission is just "draw another page for the comic"?

I kid, don't crucify me.
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>>84273838
You know you deserve it.
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Would you keep a house yinglet?
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>>84274268
Probably. Though I'd want them to have a companion, it's in their nature and all.
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>>84274268
Fancy Lad was probably a house yinglet at some point before becoming a street merchant.
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>>84274268
I'd keep any cute little critter if I lived in settings like these.
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>>84271882
>This was probably addressed before but has the artist considered a Patreon?
He was hesitant to get involved with Patreon since the various dramas associated with it. Namely, not being able to release on a regular basis. Some anons mentioned that Patreon had a "pay by release" mode, where he could get paid every time he uploads a new page, and Val seemed interested in that. Pretty much everyone agreed that if he was to go Patreon, that was probably the best way to go.
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>>84274560
I see. I was going to mention that but it's all hashed out.
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>>84274584
Yeah, it's been a little odd. Either the old /co/-is-love people are all hanging out in these threads, or /co/ is very determined to see Val succeed. Everyone in these threads seems to be interested in giving Val the best advice possible. I'm really starting to think everyone is just happy to have a webcomic that uses TF without being a fetish fuel factory, like >>84271882 mentions.
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>>84274647
/co/ is love was always a retarded meme. I've been here since the start and I've always been a raging asshole.

/co/ just likes what it likes.
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>>84274647
>I'm really starting to think everyone is just happy to have a webcomic that uses TF without being a fetish fuel factory, like >>84271882(You) mentions.
Ah well, funny thing. It's still a fetish for a lot of people in the more traditional fixation definition, where it's not explicitly sexual, myself included. That's the part that gets a lot of people interested in the first place. Anyway getting off track a bit, semantics aside you are correct. It's kind of compelling and I was very happy to read it.
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>>84274760
I was in the middle of reading it for the first time.
And I was enjoying it. Fuck, considering my luck these last years I probably jinxed the whole site.
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>>84274760
Given that the comic got mentioned at a furry convention panel over the weekend, I suspect there was a flood of new readers.

>>84274729
I would agree, but it's been too consistent. Lotta people love Endtown, but you still have some people showing up to scream "FURRY SHIT!", Poppy is pretty popular here, but half the threads are usually some anons screaming about how Morbi is an asshole. Yet these OOP threads, total peace. It's the lack of raging assholes like yourself, or raging asshole behavior, that has me surprised.
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>>84274760
>>84274785
It's loading for me.
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>>84274798
Nah, it isn't as big. Morbi threads were largely peaceful at the start. Same with Endtown. If this gets popular enough, people will be mad that they keep seeing it on the front page.
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>>84274829
Perhaps, but at the same time, I've noticed that OOP has been more popular as of lately. We've got 72 posters in this thread, the latest Endtown update has 34, and the Poppy update has 54. Of course, this thread has been up for about three days, and the current Endtown arc seems to have a lot of detractors, so I figure that might influence it a bit. As for Poppy, side arc and fallout from the last arc.

But I do agree in that I expect things to go downhill in these threads as the fanbase and archives grow.
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>>84274760
Loads fine for me.

If it's not working for you still, then you can read it on val's dA.

http://valsalia.deviantart.com/gallery/47157500/The-Out-Of-Placers
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>>84266651
>>84266763
>>84267048
>>84267129
All right then! It's nice to get confirmation of that, as I was going to use that method unless a bunch of people said "Oh yeah something felt totally off with that last page."

>>84267360
Just a mishmash of syllables, really! One on a long list that I mixed and matched until I got one that sounded just right for the species. It was a lot harder to pick a good one than I expected.

>>84267795
I hope that it's because I'm big into biology and social anthropology, and wanted to make a point of exploring some what-ifs of that in this story, including how a species with completely different social priorities might form a society.

>>84274647
>>84274729
>>84274798
>>84274899
Seriously; when someone first mentioned that hey, there's a thread about your comic on 4chan! My response was "Oh haha, it's probably gonna get eaten alive in there. But I should probably check it out anyway."

I've been continually surprised by how positive these threads have been overall, and that any criticism tends to be useful, and usually about something I'm already thinking "I wonder if this needs improving..."

>>84274829
>If this gets popular enough, people will be mad that they keep seeing it on the front page.
That's kinda the feeling I get; this comic seems to be a recent discovery, and is more in the up-and-coming category, where there are still lots of new questions to be asked/answered and all that.

In any case, these threads have been really fun and useful, so I'll probably be hanging out in 'em for the foreseeable future.
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I do appreciate that the naming conventions aren't trying too hard to sound strange to the point where it becomes obvious. That's something many fantasy setting creators can easily fall into without realizing.
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>>84274268
Is the one on the left trying to hide his boner?
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>>84275695
Yeah, I hate that. Though Val's secret seems to be using "normal" names spelled in a way that is different enough to be exotic but not so much it comes off as tryhard and awkward.

Casey → Kassie (or Kaz → Kass)

Janice → Yannith
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>>84276587
No, he's just embarrased. Pulling clothing is a normal reaction when you're embarrased about it. My kids do this all the time

Note the longer snout and unadorned tail

The one on the left is a 'masculine' male Yinglet who likes his dress more than he wants to admit, by the blushing

The one on the right is a 'feminine' male and is comfortable in his outfit
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>>84243110
Given their size and mass, I honestly think a yinglet wingsuit will be the grandest innovation in Val Salian history... Just make sure it's given to the best and brightest, or too many accidents may occur!
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>>84276843
All I can see is the fields and roads covered in dead yinglets. This will be the worst invention ever. Might sell well, but the results will be horrific.
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>>84276843
No, don't give it to the best and brightest, give it to the dumb first so that when the best and brightest get it they won't be as likely to die and set the gene-pool back even further.
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Have you guys read the side stories?
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>>84276759
>No, he's just embarrased. Pulling clothing is a normal reaction when you're embarrased about it.
Bingo

>>84276843
Actually... now that you've put it that way, they already have a very light body mass and semi-hollow bone structure, so uh... that might actually work.

>>84275695
>>84276729
Yeah; I'm mostly using the sorts of naming conventions and syllable mixes that we use, if only to suggest that these people are a lot like us.

There is certainly a time and place to have characters named things like The High Zionlaunter Cain Mezgavvia Quetzit, especially when trying to emphasize a big difference in cultural norms, but that's pretty much the opposite of where I'm taking this story.
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>>84277102
Yes. Keep in mind they are not canon, but some of them are based in the same world as the canon
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>>84277132
I figured as much.
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>>84277108
now they can truly be rat-BIRDS!
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Happy to see the thread survived the night
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>>84233145
>and the interview suggests he is planning something to correct this
Val pls tell me the plan isn't as grotesque as I think it is
pls
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>>84278671
It's fiiiine.
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>>84278671
It's more likely one of the Prince's requests to Vislet will be details and numbers of mutations than it will be forced breeding
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>>84278671

The short one's going to take a butter knife to the tall one's legs? And if it somehow figures out how to cut off legs, it uses its brother's legs as stilts?
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Why are yinglets so gay?
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>>84278919
The explanation's on the very page you posted anon.
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>>84278919
Because males outnumber females 6:1
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>>84278671
Don't worry, yinglets fuck up most things they try, so he will more than likely die in some unrelated way before he ever gets to act upon his plan.
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>>84278959
But most chinamen don't go gay.
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>>84279156
Because family lines and shit is super important in China

If your kid is taking it up the ass, he's not havin babies. Big no-no.

Yinglets don't really give a shit about their children, they're more like the communities children
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>>84279156
I assume Chinamen have a fear of being put down by their government if they come out as being gay.

China's low female population is entirely their own fault since every family wanted a male heir to carry on the family name or whatever and their government only allows one child per family unless you're farmers. Apparently a lot of parents in China felt their family name was worth more than their daughters' lives.

The yinglet's low female population is caused by some kind of biological thing, not a social thing.
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>>84279156

With China, it's a 55-45 split between men and women. Yinglets have a 16.6-83.3 split. Imagine spending your sexual awakening being surrounded by feminine, fit, and horny boys all of the time.
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>>84279293
Well I'm already a massive faggot so it isn't hard to imagine.

I'm surprised more dudes aren't gay.
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>>84278919
Males out number the females like 8 to 1.
And most females never leave their enclave. So they tend to be prison gay. Gotta get some loving some other way.
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>>84278892
Yinglets on average are not all that bright. They are a species in which the majority qualifies, on an aptitude test to determine most suitable profession, as "town idiot".
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>>84279468
Most dudes don't like shit-dick.
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>>84256239
>Cucktopus
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>>84279468
Because being gay isn't the norm for humans. Only like 4% of our population is gay.
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>>84279650
>prison gay.

Is it really prison gay if the males are that attractive?
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>>84279674
>Yinglets are immune to shitdick
>Yinglets don't need lube
They are literally built for gay
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>>84279658
Its a fucking miracle that they haven't been wiped by now in all of the 138 years much more civilized and powerful races have known about them.
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>>84279692
Prison gay just means no females around, so you have to get sex some other way. Most guys in prison don't consider themselves gay at all.
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>>84279674

That's always confused me about the way our brains and bodies are wired.

>sure, you're supposed to be into girls, but if you like dudes, there's another penetrable hole that can provide pleasure for both parties thanks to the sensitivity of the prostate
>but it's the asshole, so if you don't mind shit I hope you like oral, frotting and docking
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>>84279674
Shit on your dick is a lot better than having to put up with all the bullshit that comes with women.
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>>84279739
Why would they?
Yinglets don't cause enough of a problem to warrant a genocide, nor are they a threat

>>84279770
Do what I did and marry a tomboy. It's like being best bros but she has a vagina and you fuck
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>>84279769
>I hope you like oral, frotting and docking

But those are all really fun too.
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>>84278959
>>84278919
>>84279293
Yep, there was so much infighting over the few females in the early stages of their civilization that pretty much nothing else got done.

Nature on our own planet has all sorts of crazy ways to make sure genes get passed along; I know some of Humon's art causes a lot of arguments, but she did some great illustrations on some of nature's more unique examples.

I've wondered how a species with one of these unusual methods might form their cultures and societies, so boom, yinglets.

>>84279468
>I'm surprised more dudes aren't gay.
JUST GIVE IT TIME
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>>84279822
So are you gay? Is that why you made the yinglets all homos?

Are the females also lesbians?
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>>84279795
Because species went extinct for far less reasons.

>>84279822
What's the total potential life expectancy of a yinglet anyways?
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>>84279739
As soon as their transformation tricks get widely known the other races will genocide em I assume.
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>>84279891
yeah but most species IRL don't have spears

pic somewhat related
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>>84279822
I'm ok with you being a degenerate furfag, but humon is going to far!
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>>84279934
Anyone who kicks something so cute deserves to be mauled.
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>>84274785
You sounds like you need a hug.
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>>84279886
Naw, it's more because I think it's interesting how nature tends to "correct" for imbalances in many species' numbers, ecosystems, feeding habits, etc etc etc.

Hell, some human societies are like that. In rural Afghanistan, women are sinful dirty things that should only be used for reproduction. And on a COMPLETELY different note, Butt Sex Tuesdays and bacha bazi are A Thing in those areas.

With variety being yinglets' most defining trait, there are all sorts; incredibly masculine, incredibly feminine, and everything in between- they all just do their thing, and it tends to work out (for the most part).

>>84279959
I know! Some of her art subjects freak me out a bit, but on the other hand I don't know of anyone else who has made handy illustrations of nature's sexual weirdness like that. Just stick to the nature stuff, and there's no danger involved.

>>84279891
>What's the total potential life expectancy of a yinglet anyways?
Usually around 20 years, though this is difficult to measure since most of them don't die of old age. And some especially old ones, like Patriarch Figgins, can live as long as 40; but those are usually the few that became important enough early on in their lives to get lots of healthy food, shelter, protection, etc.

It's important to note that in the current era, a human who's lived past 50 is considered to have lived a long, full life.
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>>84218207
The only thing we know about their reproduction so far is the Matriarch has all the power on who fucks who and when, and we saw a group in the bonus comic with only three females and only one infant with them, suggesting solo births.

It may be that some of the larger groups do the most breeding and males migrate to frontier ones that do more work and defense.
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>>84220945
The author confirmed feminine ones are more successful, because they form the best sex partners and as a result are more pwerful. Also that blue is the color of sex and attractiveness to them, like the...flamboyant Patriarch of Agriculture (something they don't have any of, meaning he oiterally just fucks to get a position of power that has no responsibility).
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>>84274798
It's still got that new car smell.
Just you wait.
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>>84279156
SAVAGE
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>>84280205
I was serious about that tallness-plan question Val
pls respond, I have to know if lankylet got Abel'd
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>>84232288
Hey Vas, once you get a pdf of a tabletop compiled we can talk about it on /tg/ and create a 1d4chan page for your comic.

https://1d4chan.org

>>84278919
Somehow they have evolved the ability to buttsecks without the grossness of buttsecks.
No shit on dick, and they possibly have an easily hit prostate.

Since I doubt that's an adaptation that Matriarchs would select for, the ones who got that adaptation likely figured out using buttsecks for reputation, maybe just pimping yourself out in exchange for lies about how awesome you are, works.
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>>84279795
This is literally what marriage should be if you want it to work.

You are best friends. Who can fuck.

If you are just regular friends who can fuck, you date.

If you're acquaintances, you are friends with benefits.

But you need to actually enjoy hanging out, like a bro/the girls in order to make it work.
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So females seem generally less likely to die by accident and have access to better lifestyles, so would they enter menopause in their lifespan? Do they suffer a reduction in power?
Would males even know what it means so it would be purely at the duscretion of other females what it means?
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>>84272080

ValSalia really needs to make the donate button more obvious.

Right now it is discriminating against us non-bright people.
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>>84281653
I'm not a fan of donate buttons. I prefer Patreon as a service because it ties content produced directly to a payment. Creators who try to game that with a metric fuckload of shitty filler see their returns start to drop, while creators who grow steadily in popularity like Morbi are rewarded.

It also discourages shitty practices like Thunt's "I will contonue this side comic when I get x dollars, and continue the main comic when it is done".
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>>84281653
>not being autistic enough to search for easter eggs in every page
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>Buttsex results in a lot of gas being trapped
>Yinglets find farting hilarious

Holy shit, any time males fuck they must sound like hyenas, announcing to everyone in the vicinity someone just got some.
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>>84279822

An anglerfish society would be much better.
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>>84282324
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>>84280386
Sometimes! I mean it's also pretty great to be able to hunt well and provide one's own protection, so it really varies.

And congrats on getting Patriarch Chakki's deal. He does actually know some basics of farming, but his real strength is that he's *really* good at getting others to do all the work on his behalf.

>>84280760
No, it just ended in a ridiculous series of failed attempts followed by a reluctant buddying-up.

>>84281380
They slow down egg production, and eventually start producing unfertilized eggs in their old age (Vizlet's still active, just slowing down), but even at that point they're still a central part of their enclave's activity, in that they're the primary teachers of the younger females, managers of internal affairs, and keepers of their culture and the few records they have.

And while there's gonna be some amount of infighting, an enclave's few females are usually very protective/supportive of each other because they all benefit from a tight inner circle.

"Tight inner circle" sounds like a sex thing lol

>>84281653
Haha, like hell I'm gonna let you give me money

YOU AIN'T GONNA GET ME

>>84281844
That's the first and biggest fear I had, until learning about the $$$-per-page system. I've seen more than one artist get so busy drawing all their incentive rewards that production on the actual comic suffers.

>>84282073
The trick is, they don't put it in the butt at all!

And of course the moment I decided upon that, I realized that people were gonna want to know what scav junk looks like.
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>>84282473
>The trick is, they don't put it in the butt at all!
>And of course the moment I decided upon that, I realized that people were gonna want to know what scav junk looks like.

Interlocking phalli or something like that? I admit I was wondering if it was along those lines after the sanitary aspects were hinted at...
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>>84282473
>That's the first and biggest fear I had, until learning about the $$$-per-page system. I've seen more than one artist get so busy drawing all their incentive rewards that production on the actual comic suffers.

Ah, so you're a fan of Kennoarkkan too I take it?
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>>84282473
The trick is to let people design their own scav junk and you can just say "sure, some of them look like that" once every so many months.
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>>84282473
I've been browsing /co/ regularly for about 6 years, I know too much about _real_ animal junk to care if I know about one more or one less.
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>>84282704
Meanwhile, Aeolus gets a boner over his foreskin penetration fetish.
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>>84282721
/co/ does seem to have a fascination with the subject.
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>>84282721
"Fortune cookie" was actually what threw me for a loop.

By the way, wanna know about earwig mating?
Its so cute. They're almost "maternal", they are constantly checking their eggs and making sure none get smooshed, licking them clean of any dirt, and even care for the young. They're like bug birds almost.
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>>84282808
Wow, uh... suddenly yinglet bits don't seem so odd. Once again it is proven that nature has already out-weirded the human imagination several hundred million years ago.

Okay, new canon: this is how humans on this planet mate. Shooting hormone-coated calcium darts.
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>>84283208
Bed bugs don't have vaginal openings. The male basically has the most wicked knife ever for a dick, and the receptical organ is on their "neck"/back. The male stabs her, then breaks his dick off like how a bee stings. He dies. Semen pumps through her body, and the blood/semen mixes with the eggs.

Thing is, males miss a fair amount. They sometimes basically rape the brain of the female, leaving them both dead. Sometimes the eggs still fertilize if he gets a lucky angle and stabs her...(cooch target I guess you call it?) through her "skull".

Oh, and males mate with other insects a lot because they're pretty dumb. Including predators who are trying to eat them. Imagine a spider trying to bite and paralyze you, so you go "Fuck it, I'm going to die either way and already have a boner" so you stab it with your knifedick, break it off, and have the last (agonizing) laugh.
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>>84283325
They do have vaginas, they're just too dumb to use them.
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>>84279983
Why kick them when you could easily fling them about by their ears?
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I think the most pressing questions are:
1) Is the Matriarch too refined to poke dead rats for hours and laugh at farting noises?
2) What would a drunk Yinglet be like?
3) If even the most primitive of humans produce music of at least mild complexity, can Yinglings make something that isn't random caterwauling?
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>>84283208
Hey Val, I realize this may be an odd question, and I warn you, I'm horrible at explaining myself, but here it goes.

Yours is one of the few works that's managed to catch the interest of me, who has the attention span of a fucking rat, to the point where not only I don't mind reading little walls of text, but I find myself wanting more and loving them.
First thing I've noticed; you've met two key points that I tend to discuss with acquaintances (obviously, we're no experts):
1- We usually talk about the "essence" of a fictional world; this is, the feeling it gives you when you think about it. Many works don't manage to grasp a clear one, and others become a mess (like a painting with so many random shit going on that makes you miss the point). But yours seem specific and already "solidified".
2- How much the details and "things" of a world fit perfectly together within that world's rules. I know there's a world for that, just can't remember. Again another point you outdid in my opinion.
Another thing I noticed you did was avoiding the usual amateur error of explaining too much shit from the first pages before getting the reader's interest.
With all of this I'm basically saying that I think you're good as storyteller, with great potential.

So my question is: How? How did you do it?
I would like to understand what exactly makes your comic and world work so well, what makes it good. And for that I would love to know the thought process you went through when creating OOP.
Granted, it could very much be pure instinct and talent kicking in, but if not I'd love to know some of your thoughts when you were contriving about things like thinking how to make the story/comic good, shit that you thought it was better "this way", ideas you ditched because didn't fit for you... that kind of stuff.

Again I apologize for my poor explaining capabilities, but you'd do me a great favor since this comic started greatly and I'm very interested on it from a "meta" standpoint.
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>>84279934
Best reference ever.
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>>84283208
Hey VasSalia pham, what do you do for a living?
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>>84283325
Thing is, I knew about bedbugs; I just thought, "Snails... they're all slow and gooey and harmless, right?"

It's the difference between learning that the heavy-drinking lead singer of a death metal band murdered a guy, vs. learning that Mr. Rogers did.

>>84283729
1: Vizlet in particular is (or at least has convinced everyone else she is). Most of the females are pressured and taught to display sophistication and etiquette (or as much as they can manage), but that doesn't mean that can change everyone's sense of humor.

2: Think... a yinglet, but... more yinglety.

3: They can! Although, most yinglet arts and crafts are just cheap imitations of human versions at this stage. Obviously, the yinglet leadership takes some issues with this and has been trying to get their species to come up with their own stuff, but it's hard to ignore the well-refined stuff that's already available.
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>>84283894
Really! That's a hell of a compliment, so thanks for writing that.

Honestly, a huge amount of all that comes from the fact that I've just read a whole lot of other books and comics, paying attention to the storytelling and worldbuilding aspects, and that really adds up over time.

That way, by the time I started this comic, I'd already become aware of common tropes, pitfalls, and bad webcomic habits, so I was able to avoid most of those in my own work.

I also geek out a lot when it comes to biology, sociology, anthropology, etc, so I started by laying down the planet, ecosystem, and other basics, and did the same with the species. That way, a lot of things just come together without me having to explicitly decide on something.

Like, if a species originated in this area, then obviously they'd have to have *these* sorts of traits, which means they'd have to look a little like *this*.

All in all, I just spent a lot of time filling my head with stuff, and eventually I had a few interesting things to say on a few subjects. There really is no replacement for reading/viewing others' works while paying attention to how it's being told.

>>84283939
My IRL job is as a (currently) freelance digital video artist/editor. It's great being able to control my own schedule to some extent, although this can also mean that I'll get a huge project on Friday night that needs to be done by Monday morning, so I guess the comic's gonna have to wait a couple days. And honestly, I'd prefer the security of a salaried job, but I need to fill out my portfolio a bit more before I can start applying to the type of studio jobs I'm interested in.

An upside to this is that I have all the tools that professional video artists/animators use, which is why I decided to mess around with putting my comic characters into these programs and animating them.
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>>84283993
>2: Think... a yinglet, but... more yinglety.
I can only imagine a yinglet stumbling around a bar while rambling about clams.
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>>84235830
I don't see how they could be useful in any battle involving humans. They're so much physically weaker. Their only advantages are possibly agility and stealth, but they seem too unintelligent to make good use of either for anything but fleeing.
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>>84284235
Thanks so much for that answer, it's exactly what I wanted to understand.
Specifically these parts
>That way, a lot of things just come together without me having to explicitly decide on something.
>Like, if a species originated in this area, then obviously......
say a lot about that thought process I was talking about. And I like the way you think.

>There really is no replacement for reading/viewing others' works while paying attention to how it's being told.
Yeah, I guess I agree this is the best way to learn (besides trying something yourself); to observe the great authors and the not so great ones, and try to understand why their works are good or bad.
You've helped me a lot with this, thank you.

I know it's somewhat unnecessary to say seeing as these threads are starting to slowly grow in popularity, but you've gotten yourself another reader. Probably one of the most promising starts I've seen in these last 5 years.
Keep up the good work!

Now to play the usual waiting game, I guess.
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>>84282808
pic related

>>84282650
Welp, we've reached 'symmetrical docking' I'm out. I was down with putting in a fancy rat-bird ass or mutli-purpose cloaca or whatever, but unless someone gets to be on top, and that someone is me, lesser species are right out.
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>>84284544
They seem to be virtually immune to poison and disease, and can eat almost anything.

That's a big factor. The three most important aspects of warfare in medieval times were health/supplies, morale, and infrastructure. They don't have to worry about sieges since their capital itself gets burned down periodically and fully rebuilt in days, they can sneak around and disrupt supply lines while not having to worry much about their own since they're forage masters, and most of all your average recruit would rather desert than chase rat/raptors in a swamp when they can wake up with their throat cut.

Sure, they won't win any straight up engagements. But they could easily retreat into deadly conditions and spend seasons just harassing until it becomes unfeasible to pursue a campaign anymore. The only reason for a "battle" to even take place is if humans somehow pin down a group of females. Which would force suicide attacks until surrender most likely.
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>>84283993
>1: Vizlet in particular is (or at least has convinced everyone else she is). Most of the females are pressured and taught to display sophistication and etiquette (or as much as they can manage), but that doesn't mean that can change everyone's sense of humor.

If I could create an OC for this universe, it would be a blond furred female whose gone rogue and left the enclave for 'the big city human life'. She'd be a minor mutation resulting in thicker fur, and her fur running down the usual 'bald' stretches of arms, leg, and tail, to the extent that the extra fluffy fur gives her something of a voluptuous appearance. Except if she gets wet (such as human housekeepers dumping a pot of water or the chamber pot on her) it's revealed that she's really just the typically skinny rat-bird. So she goes to the city 'aping' human behavior and trying to get in with rich men all blond bimbo gold digger style, but...she's a Yinglet (and not a particularly bright one) and nobody is buying it.
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>>84284922
See
>>84239322
We are dub buddies!
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>>84282650
Suppose they have cloacas. An all purpose opening. A lot of birds do.
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>>84284922
... is DK around?
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>>84284980
internet fist bump
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>>84284832
They can't eat anything grain based.

I assume their diets consist many of shellfish, meats, bugs, and probably some plants.
Who knows if they can digest corn and other staple foods of human civilization.
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These are so much more friendly than the Poppy threads
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>>84283729

Drunk you say? For sure, Desert Yinglets do know!
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>>84285030
Isn't there something coming up that's going to "explain" how they work involving oddly shaped fruit? And then there's Vislet making that finger-through-the-finger-ring thing by way of demonstration when she (inaudibly) explained it all to Kass.
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>>84285589
Lore discussion brings out better folks.

Look at Unsounded threads. Compare pages with minor dialogue to pages with big happenings.

Early Poppy threads, and threads about pages with major worldbuilding, tend to have more posts as civil discussion with minor creep factor.
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So Kass's homeland was destroyed because they were like a weak CiV player with iron stockpiles, and Yinglets are only really good at musical talent.


...Yinglets going for a Cultural/Tourism victory?
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>>84285239
Yeah where is he? I wanna know if he did that Civil War thing after all.
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>>84285589
>>84285867
This webcomic is still relatively unknown around here.
If it balloons in popularity, expect the threads to get far less civil.

I've seen that pattern repeat so many times.
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>>84284544
Numbers, more or less! Their success in anything they've had resembling a large-scale battle had a lot to do with having a steady supply of unskilled expendables to jump around randomly stabbing and commanding an opponent's attention while other, more skilled ones run around and under them like crazed chickens with spears and jab with not-actually-too-bad levels of force.

Those little upper arms that are really just bundles of fast-twitch muscle fibers, as their species' ability to feed itself over the years was dependent on being able to stand around in shallow waters on those stilt legs and wait, crane-like, then punch through the waterline to catch fish and crawly things, a task which the grabby little pads on their fingers/inner palm are well-equipped for.

It suddenly occurs to me that I've spent a whole lot of time thinking about this stuff.

>>84284609
Thanks! I'm not stopping this anytime soon, so we'll just see how it goes, eh?

>>84284832
Goddamn, that really is a well-thought and accurate idea of how they'd perform in anything resembling an actual war. Right up to the suicide waves.

>>84284922
>>84284980
See, shit like this is what makes me want to ramp up production of these pages, so that I could draw stuff like that on the side.

>>84285453
Yeah; the way their stomach acids work makes it able to break down a huge amount of things, but can get kinda stuck and clogged to some kinds of foods, mostly things like grains and grasses.
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>>84258691
>The issue is how convienently things happen in the comic
How convenient that the German scientist who had the blueprints for the A-bomb just handed them to the USA when they most needed it. It's totally unrealistic.
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>>84286690
To be fair a huge chunk of that was that the Nazis chose not to pursue that route of technology. They wanted a war NOW, and had longterm plans. The US invested heavily in it because it suited their needs, which was to end the war as quickly as possible and once again end up top dog as the least fucked up nation.
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>>84286448
>See, shit like this is what makes me want to ramp up production of these pages, so that I could draw stuff like that on the side.
I'm imagining a Yinglet version of Minerva Mink, if that helps or hinders in any way.
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>>84287319
Fluffy yinglets are already a thing.
>>84233145
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>>84287484
If he had a good representative/lawyer, he could probably make some significant coin selling his fur.
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>>84287576
He'd probably make more money as a cuddle whore.
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Are yinglets related to sergals?
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>>84287881
Sergals would be apex predators and don't have any front teeth. All their teeth are on the sides of their mouths.
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>>84287881
Only in that they both exist in commissionland
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>>84287947
They're also genetically stable as opposed to whatever exactly you could call Yinglet biology.
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>>84285929
Yinglets is that civ player who has been afk for the first 50-100 turns.

He just finished research pottery when everybody has moved to the medieval age. His only hope of winning is allying up with neutral city states and with a strong human civs, while establishing research agreements to catch up.
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>>84287627
New inclusion to improve the morale of armies on the march: Yinglet companions.

Actually not a bad idea, in real life various militaries over the years have experimented with giving troops animals as a morale booster. Its not a joke that at one point, the fucking Brits hauled a trained dancing bear into the field (Napoleonic I think?), and Americans gave puppies to paratroopers. Much like bayonets in World War 2, many military dogs were just there to provide a sense of security (not all, there's a lot of good uses for a dog, but it was actually a point that they improved morale and were given to units that were simply going into extraordinarily poor conditions). Other nations fighting far from home would take animals from their homeland as mascots for bases.
It fucked up a LOT of men to leave those animals behind. Nowadays there's ways to adopt them from the field, but back in World War 2 you were expected to kill or release any animals before coming home.

>>84287881
Sergals were originally created to troll the shit out of furfags back when furfags invaded 4chan and the rest of the internet before they realized nobody hates them when they don't act like assholes.

The entire point of Sergals is "kills and eats everything else furry, sometimes raping them in a way nobody can like". So likely not.
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>>84287627
That depends what the going rate for being a house yinglet is compared to the market for fur.

If he managed to make a lot of money selling his fur, it could lead to an enclave deeming his mutation to be beneficial and arranging for his genes to be passed down so they could etch out a corner of the fur market.

Someone would have to be smart to do all that though, and chances are the anti-progress group from the south would try to sabotage it if they caught wind of it.

It's just a funny mental picture of that fluffy guy wearing a fancy suit with matching top hat after getting rich.
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>>84287975
>Only in that they both exist in commissionland

If yinglets ever catch on with popularity you and I both know furfags are going to start commissioning yinglet-sergal hybrid abominations.
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hello yes which of these are female i need masturbate
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>>84288133
As a furfag, I can safely say that hybrids like that will appear even before yinglets become popular
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>>84288713
It depends there are certain things furries are not into and they will rarely commission.

For example, when Tracy Mick first created sergals and splattered it on pixiv and deviant art with her fursona Rain Silves, She established sergals as this kill, maim, burn race of rapists and baby eating vorephiles, with a little bit of unbirthing sprinkled on the side, despite the fact that only Rain Silves was depicted indulging in those fetishes and every other sergal character she has every made are just wolfraptor people trying to irk out a living under Rain Silve's brutal dictatorship.

Furfags absolutely loved that concept and amateur artists tried their best to adopt sergals to their shitty artstyles and mimicked all the fetishes sergals were directly and indirectly associated with. So you got hyper muscle/macro sergals because people saw them as these pure bred killing machines, sergals crossed with pokemon/dragons/whatever the flavor of the month is because an unique donut steel amalgam creature just wasn't super special enough, sergals with huge tits because they weren't feminine and sexy enough, so on and so forth.

The fetishes that never caught on was fat/slop/weight gain sergal commissions, despite the fact that vorephiles was one of their original associated fetishes and many weigh gain/fat fetishists overlap with vorephiles. There's only like half a dozen of such commission examples and alot of comments for them were fairly critical that all that fat and blubber ruined the general lithe and agile hunter/predator aesthetic that made them love sergals in the first place. Other then that they just never caught on, but every other fetish under the sun did.
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>>84288128
They aren't anti-progress. The author is actually setting up a really good conflict with valid points.

This Enclave wants to basically become human, ASAP, and then progress their culture. The High Elders want to preserve their culture while progressing slowly, borrowing tech and innovation as needed, so they don't lose cultural identity; but they're progressing incredibly slowly, at the cost of opportunity to advance themselves.

While it seems clear the Matriarch is wholly in the right at first, compare them to other cultures in history. Like...Egypt for example. Lost 100% of their identity as well as their royal family and religion plus basically all of their riches, and had to completely rediscover it after playing sycophantic bitches for basically the bulk of human civilization, because they wound up completely dominated by two different scientifically advanced civilizations that slapped them down every time they got uppity. This is because Egypt is TERRIBLE at innovation, they barely had a military until Nubia fucked them and they had to take the tactics of their foes and make small improvements. Then they were skullfucked by marauding horsemen, which forced them to discover you can ride horses and attached them to a slightly better version of the chariot.
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>>84289224
>The throwing anus
I can never not see that now
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>>84289288
Then they were fucked by Romans, but fucked so incredibly hard they didn't have a chance to pioneer anything for independence. But since Rome mostly didn't give a fuck as long as they paid their taxes, Egypt got fairly relaxed and instead just tried to politick their way into Rome's upper echelons (didn't work so well, resulted in their last monarch using Romans to kill her sisters, get fucked as a child by an old man, fail to seduce his son and other fucktoy, hooked up with the old man's rival instead and...well, you know the story).
When Rome fell the Arabs stepped right in, and by that point they were so used to taking it they barely even bothered to built anything resembling a military presence for over a thousand years. When they tried to play it neutral for the Crusades, they were first fucked by the Christians for being Arabs, so they sided with the Christians causing Arabs to fuck them. Egypt was kept as the bitch to virtually all of their neighbors until the weakening of the various Arab powers over the course of the ages until the modern era, where Europe got super interested in their former history which they saw as profits and nobody popped up to get pissed at them for working with Christians. Fast-forward, Egypt realized they sold their entire heritage that was unique to themselves for chump change, and it was everywhere but Egypt.

There actually is a good balance to strike. You need to retain independence while advancing yourself, borrow too much and you've basically turned yourself into a colony that WILL be treated as such. More importantly, if you decide to allow your supposed allies to own you, they will.
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>>84289288
The problem with yinglets is that they don't have much of a cultural identity to begin with.

Most of their culture and traditions seems to be rooted with their great yinglet king that united and reformed their tribal society and even adopted human speech as their language.

And even then its heavily implied their great king was probably a human woman who got transformed into a male yinglet.
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>>84289162
I don't get the hybrid love. Always just reminds me of one of the marks of a terrible fanbase.

Its one thing to like alt art and crossovers, another to decide your love for TF2 must also include your love for Tiny Toons so that all the characters must now be combined with the other franchise.
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>>84289430
>Most of their culture and traditions seems to be rooted with their great yinglet king that united and reformed their tribal society and even adopted human speech as their language.
We haven't seen how smart the High Elders are. The Matriarch was able to bullshit her own Patriarchs with a made-up story on the spot about a "bloodletting ritual" because only the females really know the bulk of their history and nobody was around to contradict her.

Its possible there's a decent amount of either new or old knowledge stored, orally or even through artifacts, but since this is a frontier community for them we're only seeing dregs at worst and cosmopolitan human-lovers at best.

I think the point is they want to develop their own culture before extensive dealings with humans, and just take the minimum that they need. Otherwise they'll just end up subordinates to humans forever.

Which is a valid point, they're not particularly skilled at just about anything useful to humans other than apparently music. So they really do need to innovate a culture. Exporting art, poetry, music, something that isn't a handful of clams.
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So Val how far along are you with the next strip?
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>>84289288
>>84289379
>>84289430
Yessss, that is exactly the issue here; the development of a new culture when there already exists an older, more established one.

Like if humans just started developing civilization, but there were like, elves already around? Do you spend generations developing the basics while your people die of things that the elves have long since figured out how to protect against, in order to let your own peoples' culture and identity grow and develop?

Or adopt things from the older, more developed culture at the risk of losing one's people's identity? (And/or end up with a lot of your people acting as glorified housepets)

Of course, being elves, they probably would be all stuck up and not share any of the good stuff anyway so this example wouldn't work.

>>84288010
Hell, it's like a new civilization suddenly starting, from the stone age, in the middle of Eurasia in the 1300's.
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>>84289288
But there's also something sinister about the yinglet high council since they seem to know something about these magic artifacts that turn humans into ynglets.

It could be that the entire greater yinglet race was created from humans exposed to that substance since they did only just appear recently and there is a lesser yinglet that seems to lack sapience.

I just wanted to see fluffy yinglet be RICH since he has a product he can make just by being alive.

>>84289788
Elves are shitlords when it comes to culture.

They can never even advance as a culture because they live so damn long. It gives them no motivation to figure out how to do things faster or easier.

A human will INVENT a new skill that an elf will then spend a thousand years perfecting. They may be the best at whatever skill this is, but they didn't come up with it themselves.
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>>84289162
I'd say yinglets cover a good number of fetishes out there, the biggest one being tf (ironically, that has nothing to do with their species and it's because of the comic that they'll forever remain tied to that fetish)

Another thing that will help with the whole appealing to the average furfag thing is that yinglets can have any kind of mutation Someone out there popped a boner at the idea of a eye-footjob so even a "hybrid" could be justified as saying that they just happen to look like that particular species
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>>84289600
>Which is a valid point, they're not particularly skilled at just about anything useful to humans other than apparently music.

But that is a huge deficiency. Generally speaking a lot of the interests, that humans find useful are key qualities and skills for developing a strong and independent state.

From the yinglet's perspective, they probably think humans are these greedy and selfish bastards that only want to exploit the land's natural resources and any useful commodities, knowledge and skillbase the other races excel at. And I don't blame the yinglets for that skewed perception, because the only contact and interaction they're getting from humans are from fringe trading posts and merchant guilds. Thus, its fairly understandable that their high elders are extremely cautious about any deals with humans.

But at the same, isolationism for the sake of protecting what little culture they have is also extremely detrimental to the development of their society. And the only way they can come out as an independent and strong race/nation state is that they have to adopt human governing, fiscal, monetary systems as well as advanced trade skills and once they have mastered them, then and only then can they can decide for themselves how to plan out their foreign and domestic policies, how to innovate and how to develop and define their cultural identity.

I see them as a communist China after WW2 or Meiji period of Japan and I disagree with the Eqypt analogy because Egypt and her surrounding neighbors were more or less equally developed technologically, scientifically and religiously. that need to open their society to trade and foreign ideas to teach its citizens how to be civilized and behave in a modern nation state and to rapidly develop infrastructure before gradually reforming to a more suitable political and economical system that better suits their needs where they can begin exploring their cultural identity and build upon it.
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>>84290068
>yinglets can have any kind of mutation

>Sparkleyinglets
>Yingletizations of fursonas
>Yinglet adoptables by the hundred
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>>84289788
If I remember right, in the Tolkien universe the Elves were instructed to teach mankind. They don't dislike humans so much as they are half afraid of them.
Elves live long enough to have just about every mistake possible to make within one generation of you happen to a relative, then they see mankind making every mistake and making incredibly sudden decisions. Elves know what happens to them when they die, they go to nature and become one with the planet and come back as something equally spiritual. But mankind just kind of vanishes, the Elves have no clue where humans go and that's kind of scary. Elves are bound to fate, the song the Valar sung that created the world also decided what the timeline would be, but mankind is allowed to twist fate, and there's huge chunks of history that the Elves see as just blank spots with the label "insert human actions here".

So to the Elves, mankind are as Fey as Elves are to man but in a different way.

Not related to what you're saying, I just like to rant.
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And that's bump limit.

Good show everyone. Now we ride the thread down until it's gone and wait until the next strip before having another one.
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>>84290201
Fuck. If it really comes to that then we all know what to do

>Blame Val
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>>84289788
So, about Narklet: The point about his young age makes me wonder if the council picked him to monitor Vizlet partly because he's an impressionable, idealistic kid who wants to believe he's on a "holy mission"
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>>84290128
That's actually the point I think. The answer is compromise, but the question is where? What's the marker for trying to develop your own culture, and how do you enforce it?

The Elder way just results in stagnation because culture is developed usually in response to something, or is inspired by something (Japan for example had its entire culture as a start by Chinese colonists, who kept adopting new Chinese culture until the midpoint in their history when they got sick of China telling them to suck a dick and went in a new direction based on their political infighting and folk stories).

But the Matriarch's way would lead to the Yinglets forever just being shitty wannabe humans with nothing to be proud of in their past other than a single folk hero who may not have existed and who's name they don't know. Like Egypt.

But again, where do you draw the line and how? For the most part the only thing you have to worry about is the Patriarchs and females, since the average males seem way too damn dumb to adopt much other than what they think gives them rank like pretty clothes and maybe music. But most peoples put their own spin on music, like rock evolving from jazz evolving from blues evolving from folk, and just the fact that our abused hat-deprived Yinglet and the Partiarch of Agriculture applied foreign style to their own values in the importance of blue.
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>>84290313
Val? Fuck that, I blame /co/ if that happens. We've gotten basically three chapters without it.
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>>84289461
what's the common theme here
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>>84290461
Very vain and/or arrogant martial badasses. Not sure what inspired it, but that looks like the theme to me.

Have more crossover alt stuff.
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>>84290421
liberally borrowing useful stuff from other cultures worked pretty damn well for the Romans. I find myself siding more with the Matriarch: Keep your culture's folk traditions alive, but don't hesitate to adopt human stuff like medicine, economic practices, whatever if it's gonna help your people.
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>>84290616
That's not really things she's going to get through Kass. Furthermore, many of those things are what you can adopt just by being near a culture, she didn't need a Yinglet-man to get them.

She's interested in the same thing the Trademaster is, the way of thinking. But while the Trademaster sees it as an amusement and possibly a means to control an entire race, she sees it as a way to skip the evolution of your people and just reach the end point immediately and think of making themselves as something separate from humans as an after thought.
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>>84290421
>But again, where do you draw the line and how?

The most obvious line is when your society has achieved parity or near parity with the foreign society. And given the gap we're dealing with >>84289788

It is highly possible for the Yinglets to achieve near parity with humans within a couple of generations. As with the how, the Yinglets just need to have something the humans want. Humans and every other important race in the setting already have a extremely low opinion about Yinglets and will generally leave them along to their own devises because they were the most harmless and stupid of the intelligent races.

There are few key areas where they can be useful to Human society without devaluing their own culture. First is their extremely fast rate of mutations and huge variety of furs that Human nobility and aristocracy find highly desirable. The matriarchy can selectively breed for the best fur traits in their males and start a fledgling textiles industry with human expertise. And slowly become independent as Yinglet weavers, fur shearers, spinner and knitters replace human equivalents.

A yinglet workforce as few key advantages, they only need to sleep 4 hours a day compared to 6-8 hours to a human, they're primary diets subsists on raw clams, insects and leaves which humans find repulsive and beneath their dignity to dine on, they take up far less space and have a extremely small logistical footprint compared to a human and also they are hyperactive and very fucking energetic and maintain that level of high energy with proper diets and sleep cycles. The matriarchs just need to pick the most desirable traits, such as nimble and more dexterous hands and intelligence.

In addition because of their perchance for eating insects they can also cultivate the setting's equivalent of honey bees and honeypot ants, sell the honey and dew to the humans while raising bee hives for food.
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>>84290068
>(ironically, that has nothing to do with their species and it's because of the comic that they'll forever remain tied to that fetish)
I feel it's a little too early in the plot to be saying things like that. I suspect it could end up being pretty important to their origins. That is to say, lesser yinglets were the natural ones, and all greater yinglets sprang forth from someone's fun idea of a curse or whathaveyou.
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>>84290731
huh. I'm gonna have to re-read that part of the comic, I guess I might have got the wrong impression. I figured that by "human knowledge," Viz meant stuff like trading practices, maybe math.
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>>84289788
In Elder Scrolls the Elves enslaved the humans and the humans eventually revolted.
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>>84290967
She's studied humans, demonstrating she's very aware all you need is to pay attention. You see her learning from a craftsman as a young girl. Which is probably she she appointed a Patriarch controlling "scouting" who seems to be of female intelligence, to watch and learn from humans and organize the non-dipshit males.

Her point is that humans have passed on knowledge, developed themselves culturally. Its not just the ability to do math, its cultural value on mathematics and how pervasive it is to the idea of, well, everything because we've tied it directly to a financial system which ties into literally everything.

She doesn't want a skill, she wants the foundation that causes a desire for the skill and a better understanding of that skill because it connects to other things you've been exposed to. A builder/math/common sense Yinglet is superior to a builder Yinglet trying to work with a math Yinglet while she has to watch their every move.
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>>84291030
Doesn't help that elves in pretty every setting breed so slowly that a single large battle could wipe out most of their population.
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Should we have another thread, or wait for the next update?

Seems there's still good conversation, I don't know if Val wants to stick around, but we don't want to wear out quality threads early on.
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>>84291174
next update
Maybe Val's already got it
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>>84291174
Nah we're basically just talking vaguery about learning from other cultures, it's fairly ingrained as a tangential point by now. Just give it a couple of weeks or whatever.
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>>84291092
The best way to establish a good solid foundation is to develop a economical industry and the demand for skilled labor to drive that industry will build the necessary infrastructure to fit her ideals.

Honestly developing a textile industry based on what >>84290863 point out, is probably the best means of uplifting their society.
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>>84291092
Calling it now: she's going to try to get Kass to have and/or raise children, or become a new Matriarch of the Ivenmoth city itself all to create a new generation of human thinking ones free from the oversight of the Elders.
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>>84291253
Wait...are we walking about shearing them like sheeps, or skinning as farm animals them like Morlocks and Eloi?
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>>84291257
The prospect of Kass being pressed into being a mother and leader certainly came up when I was reading, but I'm pretty torn on the idea. Which I guess would make it pretty interesting, but I'm not counting on it.
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>>84291280
Shearing them like sheep. But I wouldn't put it pass humans for trying to skin yinglets like farm animals.
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>>84291092
I really want to find out more about Vislet's past. She seems pretty unique, not just in being very forward-thinking (and intelligent) but also in that it looks like she wasn't cloistered away during her youth.
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Wonder how Kass would act towards yinglets if he became human again.
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>>84291293
He's going to have to deal with laying an egg eventually, but not reproducing.

As far as we can see they have no young at the moment either, so it'd have to be much later.

>>84291317
If the bonus comic is really partially canon, it seems like the females self-govern quite a bit and have a poor leader selection process outside a slap fight meaning if she just had natural inclination towards curiosity, there'd be nobody to discourage her.
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>>84290934
So, one day a bunch of lesser yinglets stumbled upon a bunch of artifacts that they thought were some sort of new oyster and they just ate them until they started to grow?
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>>84291341
He already seemed nice enough and merely casual-racist which seems to be the baseline for the setting. In his short time as human and going off what others said, he seemed to be the type that thought it a good idea to be on anyone's good side unless you had a good reason not to be.

Even though he understands their nervous, meek nature more now I doubt he'd go out of the way to coddle: he's already nice enough.

>>84291416
I was thinking more along the lines of the substance was engineered by someone or caused by a very strange incident, and was used by a human on another human.
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>>84291453
He'd be even more sympathetic, but probably avoid ever seeing one again if he could avoid it.
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>>84291453
>I was thinking more along the lines of the substance was engineered by someone or caused by a very strange incident, and was used by a human on another human.
Expanding on this if it wasn't clear: it may have happened that the former-human mated with lesser yinglets at some point, and greater yinglets being prone to mutation comes from an instability caused by their origin being an originally-destabilized human that got changed.
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>>84291453
>I was thinking more along the lines of the substance was engineered by someone or caused by a very strange incident, and was used by a human on another human.

Val did say that the comic is slightly sci-fi, so I suppose a few mad scientists are likely to be running around the place here and there (by scientist I mean alchemist/sorcerer/wizard), so that could be it too (or maybe my interpretations are too farfetched and I'm getting too far away from the point)
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>>84291584
So...what you're saying is human cock applied to an Eevee makes a Yinglet?
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>>84291593
Alchemy.

Someone created pellets full of radioactive Yinglet saliva.
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>>84291628
Your reference is lost on me but I guess?
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>>84291628
That's pretty much canon in pokemon lore. A few of the games even directly said humans and pokemons used to marry. Hell, realistically it would happen all time when you seen kids just about and already in puberty with really smart animals that have most likely have given birth/sired several kids already.
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>>84291662
Pokemon.

Eevee was a basically little fox creature, but you apply a radioactive stone (which come in "fire", "water", "lightning" varieties) to it and it transforms into a different version of Eevee that is powered by that element. Then later it got more complicated, level it up at night and it turns into a darkness creature, day into a psychic creature, then plant and ice stones.
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>>84291705
You talking about that private detective Pikachu that flirts with a human chick?
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Also capping off my though on greater Yinglet origins with this tidbit: if it were true, it makes this panel seem extra odd and 4th wall nudging, especially since Viz honestly seems shocked by the idea. That's probably just a coincidence or Val having a giggle if it does end up true though.

>>84291737
I guess so, though the cock would just be formerly-human.
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>>84291737
and the newest one evolves when it falls in love with you enough
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>>84291782
Sylveon is the cock one then.
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>>84291848
So THAT'S why I've seen so much porn of this thing crop up, I thought it was someone's OC or something. Looks like a sparklewolf.
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>>84291898
>flesh bows/ribbons
Yeah, it evolves when an eevee loves you enough. They also wreak dragon type's asses hard.
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>>84291898

It's a Fairy-type advertisement. If it didn't look like a sparkeldog, it wouldn't be doing its job.
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>>84291898
And 87.5% of them are male.
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>>84291991
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>>84291593
Not slightly, he said soft sci-fi. Think Star Wars or Star Trek. By comparison "hard" sci-fi is stuff where you can't go faster than light and there's no antigravity (to grossly simplify it).
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>>84292069
Well, my bad. That would make the idea of a mad alchemist more fitting to the setting though. Maybe yinglets in general were one big accident
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>>84292178
The distinction of lesser yinglets makes me think the idea of turning humans into yinglets as some sort of weapon or something is more likely. Who know though.
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>>84292069
I know Val mentioned that there's no 'magic' in the OOPs universe, so I guess Kass' transformation is sorta like the one in District 9.
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