Can we please have a Raven thread?

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Jinx a best grey sorceress.

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>>84107487
This if fact.

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>>84107560
>if
Shit, sorry.

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>>84107487
No

>>84107654
>dat ass
>MUH DICK

Pan,stop procrastinating and work on Loki IRL

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>>84107654
Butt crack wouldn't go that high in that position.

>>84107654
>>84108067
she also has a second buttcrack on her back wtf

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>Raven is getting a miniseries
Ph hey that's coo-
>it's being written by Marv wolfman
Oh...well it could still be go-
>it's gonna be about Raven in high school
Fuck

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>>84108180

>>84108227
still will probably be better than TTG

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>>84108299
At least TTG Raven is fun. Wolfman Raven is boring and useless.

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>>84108342

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>>84108498

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>>84108062
>I'm not goth I'm just drawn that way
Do you guys ever wonder how it feels for Raven to be so painfully goth? I don't think she is actually goth herself, she's just a stereotype of one for unrelated and necessary reasons.

Do you think she dislikes goths for making her so easy to label and mock as one of them? She does just happen to have all of the traits of a self-pitying emo edgelord, after all.

>Warns everyone about her "dark side"
>Needs to "meditate"
>Needs everyone to shut up around her
>Hates her dad
>Prefers to be alone
>Unhealthily pale skin
>Dark clothes including a fucking cloak
But in her case these are all justified, either as tradition of the culture she was raised in or to prevent herself from killing all of her friends. And it is a very sad thing that limits her ability to enjoy life and time with her friends. Do you think she would ever be annoyed with the idea that she's just goth; just being edgy and anti-social for the sake of being edgy and anti-social?

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>>84107487
They're both best grey sorceress but Raven is better.

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>>84108342
How do we fix comic Raven?

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>>84108679
I think more pants are a good way to go, if only for the occasional 1-issue outfit change. Wouldn't want to get rid of the thighs.

>>84108062
>>84108180
>>84108268


needs more red raven

>monster girl
>corruption

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rapunzel raven was qt

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>>84108751
>more pants
Alright check, so what else?

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>>84108807

A world where /co/ does not have Raven threads is not a world I want to live in.

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>>84108189
I really like this artist

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>>84108807
>yfw Raven shows you her true demonic form and sends your sanity spiraling into the abyss.

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http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/373258

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>>84108938
I just wish Raven threads where more than just mere image dumps.

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>>84107635

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>>84108949
Me too.

Any good writefag stuff recently?

>>84108189
>>84108949
But it's such an awful ship.

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>>84110383
I'm sorry anon, I just like what I like.

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Raven is best pet

>>84110383
shut the fuck up

Raven has been ruined for me by Zone

Update when Humble???

>>84110383


all ships are awful

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>>84108949
what is this a parody of?

>>84108067
This coming from Lois Lane, the most obvious person in the world.

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>>84111106
The biggest meme, three memes ago.

It was before Hestia ribbon, open chest turtle neck, and cat-lingerie

>>84108679
honestly, make her more like either of the cartoon versions of her, although the Go version might be easier to translate over, if mostly cause the more moody and serious version from the first cartoon is really easy to screw up writing for

>>84108823
which ep?

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Adult raven is best

>>84111313

season 3 episode 8-12, I don't remember which one it was. I was looking for this episode here >>84108342
>>84108045

to see raven in her bathing suit

>>84111102
No, Beast Boy x Raven is particularly awful.

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>>84111106
Some interview on a Japanese news channel with some couple in the snow where the guy embarrasses the girl with that really corny line.

People have made tons of those kinds of images.

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a wonder raven raven is ok too

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>>84111599
Here anon, have that in better quality. You can crop it later.

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>>84111599

>>84107453

no we can't pan

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>>84111806
Damn. So close to being a perfect wallpaper

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This episode was full of screencap gold.

>DAT RAVEN IN A DENIM JACKET
Just fucking sell my soul and give me a Raven already.

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>>84112167

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Believe it or not, this game is actually fun. If you liked Pokémon and aren't hostile towards TTG you'll probably like this.

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>>84112167


WELL ARE YOU GONNA POST IT ALL?

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>>84112263
Freaky, I made the exact same kind of screenshot except with a different filename.

Are...Are you secretly me from another universe? Did Grant Morrison really fuck up the multiverse?

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>>84112315
Maybe. Because I also have that exact same screencap you just posted.

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>>84112285
Download the episode and watch it. It's full of VALUABLE LESSONS.

And awesome Raven.

>>84112272
too bad it's like 3 dollars

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>>84112353
Let's just assume we both have great tastes, and be wary of any bald Scotsmen or giant floating eyeballs with evil intents.

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>>84112356

I'm getting there

>>84112353

that raven was seriously hella cute

>>84112373
Honestly, for the amount of time I spent actually having fun with the thing it's not exactly a waste of money.

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oh shit, there's a glasses episode?

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>>84112439
Hold up, let me actually keep it related to Raven.

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>>84111806

Holy fuck that BB.

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>>84112447

these glasses are too cute

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>>84107654

>raven see's dat ass

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Movie was pretty alright.

>>84112315
>Canadian Raven

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>>84114383

>>84107453
You faggots only like her because,
>muh leotard
>muh goth
>muh gray skin
>muh Tara Dong voice
I'd ask you not to procreate, but that's already assured.

>>84114469
I wish that her voice wasn't so terrible and that she's not about to get dicked by the worst version of Damian

>>84114469
>>84114522

yah, her voice is probably the entire reason I couldn't get into it

its like she was really just reading her god damn lines

>>84114436
>Ted throws rocks at old couples because why should THEY be happy
Get a real hobby instead of bitching at strangers for liking a character.

>>84114607
It's like she phoned in her whole part

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>>84114436

>he thinks he has any chance of passing on his genes

>>84114522
>>84114607
>>84114676
It sounded a bit lackluster, but she was probably trying the 'deadpan' a bit too hard. The voice itself is nice, but she needs to put in a bit more umph.

Raven is her father's rage surpressed, not just a tired goth chick.

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>>84109020
>http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/373258
You glorious anon.

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>>84110383
>>84111408
This is true, but more importantly, I just don't understand how someone can ship their waifu.

There's also a Starfire gif if you guys want it.

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>>84111106
>>84111504
It's so well known, there's even a parody J-List ad of it.

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I miss Wilko/Cerberuslives.

>>84115223
Oh yes, nothing quite like taking a female character and turning them into generic big-titted bimbos.

I mean, not that generic big-titted bimbos are a bad thing but I already have /d/ and /aco/ for that.

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>>84115223
>Cerberuslives Raven

This is the nearest thing to a Teen Titans thread, so I'll ask my question here instead of opening a new thread for just a couple of question

I've started reading the New Teen Titans series recently, since it was suggested to me that the Wolfman/Perez period is one of the few good one for that team.
The problem is that a some point Perez stopped writing on it, so I'm not sure if I should go on. Is there something like an hard stop for the New Teen Titans series, after which the stories are for the most part shit?

>>84115169
Not everyone in this thread is a waifufag

>>84115410
Goddamnit red BB

>>84115418
The real reason to ship them is for all the wild and freaky sex they'd have.

>>84115300
I think it stays good until Perez stops drawing, but basically when you start not enjoying issues just quit.

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>>84115418
Hey I like that picture. Please don't associate it with bb/rae

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We can all agree this is the worst Raven right

Was anyone really a fan of Starfire? As a kid? I think even most girls identified with Raven.

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>>84116187
starfire was literally my first waifu. I ended up converting to raven 3 seasons in though oddly enough

>>84116204
>waifuing as a kid even before the waifu meme even existed

i feel so alone. i think i'm the only one who didn't do this. i'm gonna be an ass and ask, didn't you have any friends? maybe you're a girl.

>>84115885
I don't know, I kind of warmed up to it

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>>84116224
i had friends. what the hell does that have to do with friends? It's aspiration, fascination, inspiration, excitement. Love man. Has nothing to do with quality of life

>>84116266
maybe I'm the one abnormal. i never had any friends growing up.

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>>84116291
Everyone wants friends, you can always take a chance and try to connect. Oddly enough thats something Starfire taught me. Take that risk and dont get too down when things dont work out. Life is all about risk and reward. TT sure didnt teach me everything I needed growing up thats for fucking sure but still...

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>Be a half demon sorceress
>Friends are insane
>"Enemies" are more insane
>Also barely enemies since Slade died and you murdered Dad
>The animated series allegedly chronicling your life has turned into a bizarre gag comedy series
>Granted you still get royalties but wtf
>Have two cults worshiping you
>One wants you to kill the universe
>One wants to jerk off all over your legs
>Still can't get any pussy

It's hard to be the Queen.

Recently got issues 1-12 of the old Teen Titans Go comics.

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>>84116872
Ah, yes. Inconsistent art quality, but when it was good, it was good.

>>84116900
They're still fun to read, but BB's jokes are Popcicle stick-tier.

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>>84115441
True dat.
>tfw no porn comic or lewds of two nightmare gods getting it on.

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>>84107603
We need more of this.

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>>84117376
Am I doing it right?

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>>84117441
It involves cuteness, Raven, and another girl. So yes.

>>84108572

I don't think it would get to her, for the same reasons you just described. She has actual problems and reasons for what she does. How people see her is not a high priority for her, because she has more important things to worry about.

>>84111326

>John Lithgow face

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>>84117469
What about now? Am I still doing it right?

>>84117621
Wait...
Anna/Star: cheery, positive, trusting, loyal, dick-hungry
Elsa/Raven: reserved, unsocial, afraid to feel, terrified of hurting those closest, fearful of own powers, lonely
Damn.

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>>84118025
Raven/Elsa confirmed.

>>84115885
Just remove the mask and the design is good. To fix her personality have her not plot to betray her team to Trigon(was this plotline resolved)

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>>84118025
Speaking of characters that remind you of Raven.

Does anyone have any Terra?

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>>84118470

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Needs more r63

>>84115410
Do females actually find tentacles hot?

>>84118144
Well, for that she's "justified". The Phantom Stranger had basically sold her to Trigon before the beginning of the story, after all

>>84118580
Depends on the female. Yes. Huge yes. Massive, gargantuan, screw-me-sideways YES.

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>>84115410

>>84110383
Yes, and is also something else, cannon

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>>84119154
>Canon
FTFY. Don't worry. You'll learn how to use spellcheck in 5th grade.

>>84119389
>spellcheck
I mean technically he didn't spell the word wrong, he just used the wrong word.

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Granny Raven looks like my late grandmother.

I didn't ask for these feelings.

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>>84118470

I got something three times better

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>>84119669
>Urn of Silkie VI

>>84109106
>I just wish Raven threads where more than just mere image dumps.
/co/'s love for Raven is superficial and only stems from the god-tier 2003 show design. Before the CN series there was little to no interest in Teen Titans other than the occasional smattering of smutty commissioned pin-ups of mexican stripper Starfire from the comics.
Murakami's purple leotards/grey thighs combo quickly dethroned Orange over-perm as the reigning DC teen sex goddess of the internet.
Comics Raven's haggard demon witch look is best left in the Mortal Kombat/Injustice universe where it belongs.

That said, somehow DC comics is incredibly slow to understand the full appeal of the modern incarnation of Raven and continuously churn out one disappointment after the next in an attempt to cash in on the character's new-millennial appeal.

>Oh right! she's a teenage girl! Give her a tramp stamp! Send her to high school! No wait, make her an actual bird now! -- that attends high school!! Awww she just wants to be a normal girl!!

Fucking *puke*

TTvJL was the best attempt yet at characterizing her, but that was a horrible schizophrenic botch job of a movie that only barely managed to tell the only storyline Raven has and even here her design was terribly mediocre.

Honestly, these threads really are best as image dumps. There's nothing to discuss and I don't particularly care for a resurgence of Raven fanfic threads.

No thanks.

>>84108840
That's not supposed to be Raven, is it?

>>84112422
Robin looks weird without a mask...

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I actually kinda like her rebirth look.

>>84120477
Superboy Prime can't punch this Watchman Universe out of existence fast enough.

>>84120477
Don't worry anon, I like it too

>>84120646
Yay. Internet high five

>>84108572
For a (meta)physical embodiment of the sin of pride, she's very laid-back.

>>84117053
This pleases Slaanesh.

>>84114469

At least she had a nice ass.

>>84113783
too bad it tried selling a forced ship with raven and damien

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>>84118287

I see a bit of Raven in Sucy from the LWA series, with a dash of the morose humor of Creepy Susie or even Nico Robin. It's cool how both even have their body seemingly merge with their cloak until they need their hands or feet for something.

>>84112674
>Watch out, mans!

>>84113783
I watched it for Raven and I was pretty satisfied.
Very good combination of original cartoon version, some New 52 stuff, and her classic origin.

>>84121073
It would make since considering Trigger's love for western animation

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>>84120477
Looks a lot like what they did after the cartoon but before the New 52

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>>84121073

>>84121073
>Creepy Sucy

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>>84116847
To be Raven is to be suffering.

Was that second cult a joke about ourselves or was that an actual episode/issue?

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>>84122095

Ah yea, I remember making that request so long ago.

>>84107654

Oh hey, I remember the original scat version of that.

>>84123129
delete this

>>84123299

No.

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>>84118470

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>>84118470

>>84120477

better

red nails and hair tips bug me

>>84120611

who wins

Superboy Prime or Doctor Manhattan?

>>84126368
Given that Manhattan can't really die, I'd say him.

>>84111806
Holy shit, they really went full retard on Starfire's feet

>>84123885

>that waist

Jesus.

>>84128350

I like to think she has a normal sized waist and you're just seeing it at an angle


she just has a badonkadonk

>>84118144
i actually like the mask. it looks weird and off-putting, but in a good way

>>84121037
she had much better chemistry with him than she ever did with BB.

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need some buff Raven in this thread

Teen Titans Go has been good for my fetish

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>>84128898
She had better chemistry with Cyborg in the original show, so that's not saying much.

I'll never fully understand BB and Raven. I mean, I get that shippers are just going ship everything no matter what, but why it's THE Raven ship that roughly 80% of the fanbase gravitates to is just beyond me.

Especially when you have the clearly superior "opposites attract" ship right in front of you.

>>84128898
That's a lie and u know it

>>84112272
>>84112373

I got it
its fun

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>>84129438
>I never fully understand BB and Raven
It's called beastality and it's great.

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>>84129529
It's canon too.

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>>84129544
Dubs confirmed it

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>>84128918
THIS

>>84129544
She looks like boy george in this panel

>>84129495
she had good sibling chemistry with BB, but definitely not romantic chemistry. you're delusional if you think otherwise

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>>84128918

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>>84129529
Oh, no, I get that much.

I also get the appeal of the happy-go-lucky cheerful character being paired off with the morose solemn character, who will teach them the ways of laughter and good cheer and all that crap. I actually like the "opposites attract" trope. But why it's the most famous of the ships just eludes me.

Raven and Starfire got a full episode devoted to their relationship in season one, and sure, that ship has its fans, but it's still buried under the BBRaven shippers.

Even Raven and Cyborg got one with just the two of them, but that ship is practically nonexistent.

Robin got a whole season of polishing up his dick for Raven, and while they also have their followers, it's still a minority when compared to the BB clan. Granted, Robin has the official Starfire ship, but BB also had an official thing for Terra, and even THAT seems to take a backseat to Raven and BB.

Again, I fully understand the appeal of the ship, just not the strength behind it.

>>84129828
Raven (from the TV show) having any sort of romantic chemistry with anyone seems really out of character for me. I mean, the girl whose happiest thought is "thinking about you shutting up" just doesn't look like she'd mesh well with anybody, especially someone as loudmouthed as Beast Boy.

>>84130002


>bunny raven

more like giraffe raven, jesus

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>>84130010
>had never noticed that
Well, that picture's ruined!

Luckily, I have extras.

>>84130002
Well that terra thing didn't really worked out anon.

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>>84130002
I'm telling you dawg that it's all about that animal dick and demon pussy.
Shit can't be beat.

Why do people like Terra? She justifies the phrase "Don't stick your dick in crazy".

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>>84130154
Even Slade thinks that and Slade is a retard who can only use 90% of his brain.

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>>84130207
He still put his dick in crazy but once agaon he's retarded.

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>>84130081
A little death's never stopped shippers before, is what I'm saying.

I mean, when you think about, nothing stops shippers.

>>84130125
I have my own balls-deep theory, but eh, it doesn't actually change anything.

I respect those who enjoy BBRaven, and under a proper writer who can write both characters well, I might even be able to get behind it.

But given the biggest source of BBRaven these days is TTG, I'm not holding my breath for my mind to be changed.

>>84130154
In the show, she's supposed to be the tragic hero who is swayed onto the darkside due to her complex personality.

In reality, she's more of a bipolar nutcase who turns on the people who took her in as practically family for the guy who was clearly a psychotic mass murderer, for no adequately explained reason.

In the comics, she's just evil, and people like evil.

>>84130257
>bipolar nutcase

This. Just think: She probably slept around with skeezy fellows just to have a place to sleep that wasn't infested with rodents or insects. You don't want to dip your pen in that kind of ink.

>>84129828
People ship non-canon things all the time, up to the point where the Pokemon wiki has a whole list of ships between characters that never even met.

I think for most people they just see
>These two characters have a pretty solid friendship
>Therefore, I think it's possible for them to have a solid romantic relationship at some point in their lives

People who go through the series and list off every interaction as some sort of romantic moment are being more than a tad ridiculous though.

>>84130002
I think it's because Beast Boy was the character she interacted with the most, and a lot of people have a real soft spot for the whole opposites attract thing.

I myself like it because I feel like Raven is the kind of person who would need a lot of warmth and reassurance in a relationship. Granted, Cyborg and Starfire can provide it too, but I just like BB being with her the most because I enjoy that kind of friendly bickering and teasing a lot. Reminds me of my own relationship with my ex.

That's also why I feel like her and Damian just doesn't work. They have a lot in common, but Damian isn't all that great at comforting people. Maybe with some character development, but that doesn't exist for animated Damian since he's back to square one with every movie.

And that's my ramblings on the matter.

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>>84130483
I suppose I can understand BBRaven a bit better over RavenStarfire if you place the friendly teasing in on the picture.

I'd argue there's nothing really "friendly" about Raven's quips in the show, but I guess you can read a lot into episodes such as Nevermore and the one where BB turns into a werewolf or sasquatch or whatever that was.

Personally, if I had to choose a ship, I'm firmly on the RavenStarfire side of things. I think Raven has a stronger "older sister"-type relationship with her, of a more experienced and bitter senior getting together with a more innocent and idealistic junior. I guess you'd call it the "senpai" effect? I don't know.

Starfire is also equally in tune with her emotions as Raven is, just the complete opposite: she embraces them, whereas Raven shuns them, so I think there's a lot of potential for both characters to learn from one another there.

At the very least, it makes more sense than RobinStarfire in my eyes. I never got why those two got together in the show, outside of it being a thing in the comics years before.

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>>84108172
WE SEE YOU COWARD OF THE SUMMER

THE YOUNG! THE IMMATURE! UNFAMILIAR WITH WOMAN!

WE WILL FEAST ON YOUR BONES! I WILL PERSONALLY RIP THE HEART OUT OF THE COWARD SUMMERS AND EAT IT IN FRONT OF FAMILY!

>>84130669
My thinking is that because Raven does acknowledge the others as being wonderful friends, and that she doesn't do it when she first meets them, that her quips are generally meant to not be taken completely seriously.

But that could just be how I relate to the character and interpreting how she interacts as being like how I am with my friends and was with my ex.

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>>84130669

teen titans and teen titans go have spoiled raven from any other media for me


she's too cute

>>84115223

something happen to the artist?

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>>84130950
I've never had the pleasure of watching the origins episode (or the entirety of season five, to be honest), unfortunately, so I can't say much about how she acts towards people there.

But, hey, the original TT show was so frustratingly vague with everything it did, you can come up with all sorts of headcanons and alternate character interpretations, so... eh, more power to you if that's how you feel the character is.

>>84131142
I'll be honest, when I started reading the actual comic books, I was fully expecting not to like original Raven. I was pleasantly surprised, however, and the NTT version was equally interesting in her own unique way.

And then they turned her into a generic teenager character and lost all of that charm, while capturing none of the show's version's.

It can be suffering being a Raven fan sometimes.

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a request from a drawthread a while back

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>>84131351
Same artist?

>>84131293
>I've never had the pleasure of watching the origins episode (or the entirety of season five, to be honest)

People are generally down on the fifth season but I think it's really good. The origins episode is great, Brotherhood of Evil was good, and the second to last episode is easily Beast Boy's shining moment in the entire series and was what really sold me on the character being my second favorite.

Serious time BB is fantastic.

>>84129544
>It's canon too.

I thought they broke up

>>84110968

Hopefully never.

how is the old teen titans show? I remember watching it as a kid, but has it aged well?

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>>84131737
I'd still watch it, if only for completion's sake.

I mean, truth be told, I don't even LIKE the show as a whole.

It has some good episodes sprinkled throughout it, and the animation can be outstanding at times, but it also features good ideas being poorly utilized (if not downright horribly used), practically nonexistent characterization that will stick to a character, selective continuity, and a severe case of Bat-godmode at times.

It's a very strange love(hate relationship I share with the show: I look back at it fondly for the character concepts, but disgust over how they were handled.

>>84131852
They did after Beast Boy became leader of the Titans, I think.

>>84131907
On a completely personal opinion: I don't think it was that good to begin with, when you consider the Justice League shows were coming out at the same time.

However, if you're looking for fun and silly superhero shenanigans without needing too much thought put into viewing, it's still a solid show.

If you're looking for something with a little more meat in its bones, I'd tread carefully. Still give it a second watch because some episodes are worth it. At the very least the first season. Mad Mod is still an incredible episode.

>>84130257


I secretly ship robin and raven
from the old teen titans show

I like it when raven in TTG wears robins uniform and cape

that might be less about the ship and more about my love for wardrobe swaps

>>84131907
It's alright. The early episodes can be a bit tough, but once they find their groove and the best ratio of goofy anime faces to actual stories and stuff, it gets better.

I think it''s one of those shows that gets progressively better as it goes along

>>84131852
They got back together right when the New 52 happened and it left off with the implication that they were likely going to be a very long-lasting relationship. I still think it's really lame we basically got cheated out of seeing their actual relationship twice.

I don't know if they'll bring it back with Rebirth, ignore it entirely, try to do some love triangle with them and Damian or what.

Any good writefag stuff?

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but what about lady legasus?

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>>84132004
Given how much pandering season four had, I think somebody in the writing team did too.

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>>84132108

>>84132108

Wonder Raven > Lady Legasus

>>84110343
>>84132060

pls go

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>>84132108
That's not even her final form

>>84132146

Lady Legasus both baffles and arouses her friends by staying perfectly upright, using only a jagged, pointy rock for balance.

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>>84129776
>>84129835
my brethren of good taste

>>84129828
that's something that can be argued for the first show, although I'd say there's definitely romantic chemistry between them in Go, even if it's unlikely to go anywhere

>>84132108
>>84132212
>>84132146
Lady Legasus/Mega Legasus is a treasure

>>84132212

that outfit on Raven looks like one of the alt costumes for Juri Han in SFIV.

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>>84132212

>>84130483
>I just like BB being with her the most because I enjoy that kind of friendly bickering and teasing a lot.
So BBRae is basically the same glue as the Ben10 cousincest ship?

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>>84120332
>/co/'s love for Raven is superficial and only stems from the god-tier 2003 show design

you right, but I just want to make it clear that she has way more potential to her character than anyone has ever fully explored.

She's someone who protects the world by denying her own natural existence and expression. Furthermore, her powers are all about controlling herself and converting that chaos into constructiveness and good. If you think about it, that's a really powerful motif in a story, and something that a lot of people can relate to.

It kind of mirrors the fact that a lot of people have to put up a mask and hide their real feelings so that the world (parents, spouses, friends) isn't burdened by their own suffering. Also, Raven more so than the others is a character that is fundamentally unhappy with herself, and although she can, through constant focus and discipline, manage to use her powers for good and without hurting anyone, it's always implied that this is fragile at best and she's inevitably forced back into her room to control it. This is kind of like how a lot of teenagers are growing up, and they have self-esteem issues because their parents would basically over-dramatize when they did something wrong so now anytime they sound awkward or don't get an A or don't achieve their goals they are just really hard on themselves and are easily discouraged so they end up in their room most of the time listening to music or watching cartoons or playing videogames or browsing the internet to make themselves feel better so that they can face the world again. And after enough of this happens, people tend to think of the kid as being antisocial or having weird, obsessive interests and this is pretty much how Raven appears to everyone initially.

So yeah, I mean I may be reading into it a lot, but I think there are some really powerful narratives you could go with Raven, and we would see more of that if the cream actually rose to the top in comics.

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>>84122107
I'm pretty sure it was a joke, but after Wally T, it might as well be canon.

Speaking of, does anyone have screenshots or gifs of Raven making cat faces and growling or of Wally liking Raven's legs?

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>>84133137
All of this.

One of the reasons I stated earlier about the characters having a ton of potential but the show ruining is mostly Raven. And mostly season four.

One big element I feel you can approach Raven with is family. She's the daughter of rape, split between a world she wants to protect, and an evil side that wants to destroy everything. Her own father is constantly with her, silently urging her to turn to his side, and begin slaughtering millions just because that's a part of her she can't erase.

One big element of Raven character growth is her acceptance that her origins do not dictate her actions, and that being a demon has no effect on who she chooses to be as a person. This extends to the people who associate with her, and how she needs to explore her emotions better, share them better, and open up to these people who will throw themselves into the fire for her because they care about her.

Season four, in my opinion, should have been that. It should have been the grand showing of the Titans not just as friends or as a team, but as a family. It should have shown all of them doing everything in their power to rescue someone they loved, even though they knew she was the reason the world was in danger.

And on the other side, Raven should have learned her lesson that she's not to blame for her father's machinations, that she wasn't powerless over her destiny, and that with the help of her family, she could overcome the evil within and contain it. Not alone as she so desperately tried to before and failed, but with help from everyone she knew.

Instead, we got Robin and Slade's happy fun adventure to just find her, while the rest of the Titans stayed behind acting as distraction., which made the final speech by Raven look very cheap and tacked on when, really, there was very little connection among the Titans. It was a one-man Robin show, and Raven just shot out a laser beam at Trigon.

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I like the idea of Raven gradually coming out of her shell, warming up to people and becoming best friends with Starfire, which would also make her more receptive to others in the future.

I like pics of the two of them bonding and doing stereotypically girly things like this pic >>84117469

>>84129438
hurr durr. I don't like that bb and Raven being together is canon in the comics and ttg. I don't like that they have like 8 kids together. let's blame shippers.

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>>84133415

Not to make this weird, but this is probably the primary reason why I enjoyed the quest so much when it was running. I thought the author was somebody who really understood the depths of her character and I could somehow experience a fully fleshed out telling of her among other things. It's just a shame that, like you said before, most people only appreciate her visual design and superficial concept.

Oh well. I'll just have to someday become an excellent writer and write a Raven fic just for myself so I can feel better about it.

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>>84132790
don't compare bb and Raven to the Tennyson's. Gwen and Ben are far better

>>84132790
I guess, but with the added bonus of not being utterly creepy.

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>>84133751
Follow the dream, Anon.

Also, somebody should just use Malchior more as a foil for her. I don't get why he's so forgotten. His episode was great, even with the rushed ending.

>>84132050
>love triangle with them and Damian

Oh god, please no.

>>84133727
>canon in the comics

Not anymore it isn't.

Reboots, yo.

>>84133751
I recently started trying my hand at writing fanfiction myself. I love writing for Raven more than any other Teen Titans character.

Admittedly, I'm massive shipperfag, and a BBRae fag at that, so it's not like I'm doing really in-depth writing about her character, but I'm having fun

I don't think I'm very good though.

>>84133945
I have to agree. Despite being really into shipping, I don't like it when characters become defined by nothing but their relationship, and I don't trust most modern writers to not do that with a love triangle.

I'd rather have no romance at all and just pure friendship to that.

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>>84133852
is not creepy

>>84134012
oh god reboots. nothing has happened ever!!!!!

if you want to justify it in your head with reboots and new universes then fine but people still refer to stuff from original comics as canon for most things

>>84134243
It's not like it's outright impossible for it to happen in the New 52 again anyway.

>>84134340
Well, it kind of is, given the New 52 is kind of dead and all.

It's possible like >>84132050 said, they'll either pick back up from where they left off, rebuild the ship, or try something new.

>>84134362
I thought the current universe was still the New 52, which was ultimately just the original but missing 10 years?

Either way, it is definitely a possible ship that can happen. It wouldn't surprise me given that it's the most popular TT ship, and will probably continue to be that way for the rest of the franchise's existence.

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>>84133830

>>84134461
At this point, I'm not even sure I know anymore. I just look at the pretty pictures.

Anyway, I'd be surprised if they don't try SOME ship with Raven at this point, be it with Beast Boy or Damian or some random new guy.

Personally, I'd rather they didn't and just focused on Raven's character building for a few years, instead of trying to jam her into a relationship as quickly as possible. But I'm not holding my breath or anything. I might not even like this version of Raven enough to really care anyway, so it's a moot point at this stage.

>>84134555
Yeah, I feel you.

I feel good relationships in comics need time to build up to it, and for people to want to see characters they like in a realtionship, and going right into it just makes the characters defined by that relationship.

I'm reading the current Teen Titans series, and it's pretty average. Raven isn't written horribly, but definitely not her best portrayal. I'm just hoping we'll eventually get a writer that can write a great Teen Titans book in general. They're my favorite mainstream team, and their current state in the comics is sometimes just depressing to think about.

>>84134698
I haven't really been into a Titans book since the Wolfman and Perez years, personally. I don't know, the more recent Titans books just feel so drab in style.

To be honest, I'm still hoping for someday seeing a Raven/Starfire team up book. None of the other Titans, just the two. I just think they have great chemistry together, as I've mentioned several times in the thread.

Make it not too serious, but not fully goofy either, embracing some of the wilder aspects that an open world of magic can bring up, with a splash of "odd couple" scenarios, and I think you could do something interesting with it.

>>84134830
I'd be down for it, if only to give Raven something to do outside of Teen Titans.

Of course, you'd have to forgive me for wanting a Raven/Beast Boy team up book even more.

But of course, those are both books that I'd fully expect to see cancelled within 12 issues, unfortunately.

>>84134954
Yeah, unfortunately, as much as I pine over a solo or team-up Raven book, the odds of it being an actual long-running and long-standing title is a very small number.

She'd really have to be partnered with a bigger star, or be in a bigger team for it to have lasting power.

Either that, or just have an incredible writer on board who could make a good job drawing in readers.

Still, the dream of a buddy magic cop book lives on, even as just a miniseries or oneshot. I'd take anything I can get, really.

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>>84134528
yes we all know Gwen's the best

>>84133137
>I think there are some really powerful narratives you could go with Raven, and we would see more of that if the cream actually rose to the top in comics.
Yeah.
But that's a real big "if", and there's little to no evidence of that ever happening so.
And the fact that there are anons out here that could possibly do these characters justice but will probably never get the chance (officially-- not internet fan work) is somehow more painful to me than just accepting the superficial fap-queen idol status quo.

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>>84129671
>>84123545

These don't turn me on, but they're so much fun. It just gets me imagining what it would be like to turn into a tortoise or an eel or something stupid like that and cuddle up with Raven/Terra/whoever.

I feel like there isnt nearly enough porn doujins of Raven.

>>84136079
I don't know why, but I always liked the idea of BB turning into some sort of large snake and lightly wrap around Raven while they sleep.

Thinking up ways for Beast Boy to use his powers to do some weird animal cuddling is more fun than it has any right to be.

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>>84136656

>>84134340
>>84134362
>>84134461
ttg happened after the nu52 reboot. making bbXrae....canyon

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>>84135095
This captured my reaction pretty well

>>84136693
>>84136656
>>84136079
Post the greentext where Beast Boy and Raven put the LOVE in Lovecraft.

>>84136656
Do you think Raven would be willing to take the knot if Garth shapeshifted his dick to take wolf features?

>>84138210
I imagine Raven would be pretty shy about sex at first, and really uncomfortable and awkward for a while before really getting into it and intimately exploring the animal kingdom.

Raven with no hood/no clothes is shit.

>>84138210
>Garth
Garfield. Garth is Aqualad.

>>84138185
Already posted>>84117053

>>84138161
it was made in a different time period.

>>84108572
I imagine she regards them the same way a black guy from a shitty gang-land neighbourhood would regard suburban white kids that act all 'gangsta' because they thing it's cool.

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>>84108807

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>>84108874

>>84108572
Better goth than that new age/hippie she was in her first appearances

>>84145176
Star, Beast Boy, and Raven are all really cute in this.

Nice thread.
http://imgur.com/Jjf3IGL

I heard if the TT show continued they would have gone into the Jericho/Slade plot, is that true?

>>84150253

no

There are people out there who actually like BB?