Do you unironically enjoy old cartoons?

Fuck yeah.

Yes and we need a quality boost to match up to that era now.

>>84049451
Yes.

>>84049451
Why would someone like them ironically?

Yes, I often enjoy the wit and ways they conveyed humor.

Not to mention the techniques and boat loads of work the animators had to go through is impressive.

>>84049451
>calarts noodle limbs and lolsorandumb XD

No, I won't watch or read anything that hasn't been made in the last 15 years.

>>84049451
I marathon Popeye with my nephews and my nieces love Scooby Doo Where Are You. I love those two shows - not to mention Road Runner and Coyote.

>>84049612
Why are you on /co/?

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>>84049612
>Anime is for adults.

now that is hilarious

>>84049451
Yep, they can be awesome.

Hell yes. Rubber hose violence is absolutely phenomenal.

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>>84049612
That's pretty good anon.

>>84049688
What are your tiers on the studios from that era.

old Looney Tunes absolutely still holds up and I'll put them on if I need a laugh, old Disney shorts are kind of boring, Tom & Jerry's aight but I've seen em all in re-runs
Don't have much exposure outside of that if we're talking pre-70s stuff

Is stuff like Popeye and Tom and Jerry anime for westaboos? I feel like it would be.

>>84049731
Tom and Jerry is massive in Japan, I think CN over there had a vote on favorite cartoon and they won over all the modern shows (including Adventure Time and Gumball which also do very well)

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>>84049574
>>calarts noodle limbs and lolsorandumb XD
Wack Land

>>84049749
>calarts noodle limbs and lolsorandumb XD done right

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Olive was the original noodle-limb but the thing is that was the joke about Olive, not the entire style of the cartoon.

>>84049451
Dat Corkscrew Cross Super Art.

>>84049451
>He doesn't eat it through his pipe

I always loved when he did that.

>>84049744
Tom and Jerry is big in a lot of Asian countries in general. The fact you don't need to understand English to enjoy most of the cartoons is the big reason why they do so well. Physical humor is universally funny.

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Yes, in fact when I grew up as a kid in the 90s. My mother worked at a convalescent home in Burbank.

One of these elderly men claimed to work with Ub Iwerks and Max Fleschier and had a huge collection of reels of cartoons and happened to have VHS tapes of flip the frog, Willie whopper and a lot of Popeye and superman reels.

The elderly mans used to talk about his days animating and working with various artists including meeting chuck jones and Walt Disney at one point in his life.

He had a real passion for his job.

To this day I absolutely love Classic vintage cartoons. I also plan to begin a collection of cartoon memorabilia once I finish nursing school.

So yes, anyone who says Vintage cartoons from the Fleischer, Disney and MGM era is full of shit and deserves a quick kick in the nuts.

>>84049451
Yeah. I've had a VHS of Simple Simon for as long as I can remember and that shit never gets old

>>84049612
epic. simple four letter word.

>>84049881
How does it feel to know that some Adventure Time and Steven Universe snotnose would burn all those VHS and call you a problematic dinosaur?

>>84049744
Thers also was a rigged poll over at TV Asahi many years back that Tom & Jerry was the only western cartoon on that list.
>>84049727
>My Peter Lorre
>My Jimmy Durante
>My Bing Crosby
>My Frank Sinatra
>My Fibber McGee And Molly
>My WWII
>My Clark Gable
>My Humphrey Bogart

>>84049744
It's one of hideaki anno's top 10 anime
no joke

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>>84049612
>Anime is for adults.

I think my favorites are the ones that had in-house jazz bands to write songs for the episodes, like Cab Calloway for Betty Boop.

>>84049917
I wish they'd embrace their true colors so I can insult them in plain terms.

>>84049667
>>84049984
He was obviously baiting, but it's not really an untrue statement. Most anime isn't made for children.

You can't ironically enjoy something. The ironically aspect would mean you're not actually enjoying it. You can ironically watch something.

That being said, of course I like old cartoons.

>>84049950
i get all of those jokes and references when they come up, why do you mention em

>>84050059
Neither were the Looney Tunes

>>84050030
famicon you need a more productive hobby

one that involves actual creation on your part instead of just observation

Betty Boop scares the shit out of me. She reminds me of a 1920's hooker or something who was beaten to death on the head and then thrown in the river and that's what the corpse looks like when the cops dredge her up.

>>84050101
Because those joke were to show case that Looney Tunes had loads of dated jokes.

Tiny Toons & Animaniacs were just being faithful to their source material.

Yes. I grew up on Looney Toons, Disney shorts, and Felix the cat.

I think Fleischer Popeye holds up better than even classic Looney Tunes for the lack of pop culture references of the day. Popeye went downhill when the war started.

>>84050144
I watch a shitload of MST3K and read wiki as a hobby, LT has tons of dated references but they're not a problem for me to understand personally and even the ones you don't "get" are often still funny for whatever reason, plus the timeless visual gags and verbal jokes far outweigh the pot shots at pop culture

>>84049451
God damn, what a beatdown.
I know this is comady and all, but those were some legitimately cool moves.

>>84050111
At the time. Nowadays they would be seen as childish. And it's undeniable that in America animation in general is seen as childish, and most of it has been aimed at kids. The situation isn't even remotely the same as in Japan.

>>84049451

I was born in 84 in a third world country and grew up watching stuff Popeye, Tom & Jeryy and Woody WoodPecker, I am sure a young kid would enjoy them.

>>84049451
>top ten anime battles

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>>84049451
It depends on the era. Looney Tunes is GOAT but I'm not crazy about 80's stuff like Thundercats and He-Man.

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>>84049451
That single scene had more life, imagination, energy and quality than anything released in the 2000s+.

REAL animation has become a lost art in the age of adobe flash tweening and copypaste animu.

>>84050198
But even anime aimed at adults isn't generally seen as an "adult" thing in Japan, it's for weird nerds like the ones on this board, they can just make a lot more of it because it's cookie cutter, made on slave wages, and is a major export.
There are plenty of cartoons aimed at adults, but the style is different because the culture and what's profitable in the market is different.

>>84049451
I love how Popeye was a cartoon starring ugly adults. It has a charm that other shows back then didn't have. Everyone was always young or a furry. Then you have Popeye, some grumpy old sailor beating up a big fat guy with a beard over a woman who looks like a 40 year old housewife.

>>84050261
He's obviously trolling you.

But anime is treated differently in Japan. Almost everyone reads manga, and anime is pretty common to see on TV. It's a much larger market than comics/cartoons in the US or other places in the West, and there are age-specific genres.

>>84049917
>Wah wah the new generation doesn't appreciate me.

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>>84050280
watching Popeye again now for the first time in at least a decade has made me realize this. Bluto is actually the most normal looking, Popeye is short middle aged if not eldery, tiny eyes and no fucking teeth and Olive is some kind of scarecrow freak of nature but in the end it makes them really enduring

>>84050296
Like clockwork. Where's your smug Gem picture though?

>>84050264
>Loads up the 2000s with anime instead of what was actually being shown at the time

The only thing you've reminded me of is how big of a faggot people can be.

>>84050324
Did you really wait 30 minutes for another reply to your bait post? You're slightly sadder than I thought. Slightly.

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>>84049451
How do you enjoy a cartoon ironically?

>>84050386
>he thought it was bait

Nope just being realistic.

>>84049451

say... who is that most remarkable extraordinary fellow?

>>84050403
If you were being realistic then they WOULD probably just burn your VHS tapes... but like, on a DVD or something.

>>84050366
The 2000's were a huge time for weeaboos. seemed every other tween had either invader zim merch or some kind of anime merch. Then there's the fact that a lot of toons were emulating earlier Japanese styles in their designs, and some action cartoons that took a lot of inspiration from anime.

Dude's still a faggot for filling that square p with weeb shit though.

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>>84050397
Nostalgia, sort of.
Unintented humor due to poor quality/etc.
Trying to look "cultured".

Can't think of any others.
Second one is the biggest one, though. He-Man is a show that thought it was fucking awesome, but looking back on it it's hilarious, even though it didn't intend to be. That's ironic enjoyment.

>>84050261
Something like Jin-Roh, Joker Game or Haibane Renmei is worlds apart from Looney Tunes, and it doesn't matter if some random normie thinks it's childish. Children aren't even a consideration for late night anime, and the creators don't have the same approach to animation as cartoon animators.

And late night anime isn't as niche as you think. Girls und Panzer for example has been really popular.

>cookie cutter
How? There's anime of all kinds in many different genres about many different topics for for many different audiences with varying levels of production quality.

>made on slave wages
On the other hand American productions use massively more time and money, outsource all the production work to Korea, and still produce vastly inferior quality.

>major export
American animation is exported a lot too.

>There are plenty of cartoons aimed at adults
There are shows like Family Guy, yes. But those are sitcoms, i.e. you aren't supposed to take them seriously (and even then there aren't that many of them). Animation that is aimed at adults and intended to be taken seriously is taboo in America.

>>84050291
>He's obviously trolling you.
What did I say that you think is trolling?

>>84050397
>>84050433
Oh, and speaking of KOTH it's a good example. Later on the show had really great character development, humor and values, but early on the only real thing it had going for it was the irony of cliche redneck life. The first season or so existed for irony. It was funny because "lolrednecks", not because the characters were good.

>>84050366
Hamtaro-2000
Galaxy Angels-2001
Secret of Cerulean Sand-2002
Mirumo De Pon-2002
Fairly OddParents-2001
Avatar-2005
Gurren Lagann-2007
Fosters-2004
Haruhi Suzumiya-2006
Moyashimon-2007

All of those shows are from the 2000s

>>84050307
>that Earth

holy shit
wasn't expecting something that neat

>>84049451
this actually made me kek, thanks for this, i'm gunna find more popeye stuff.

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>“The best of the black and white Popeyes are full of digressions, and are as much about the funky world that Popeye lives in as they are about Popeye. In those cartoons, Popeye was alternately violent and sentimental and so was the world he lived in. The wonderful, built in contradictions made it difficult to make slick and logical stories, so the Fleischer studio didn’t even try. They aimed for a logic of the heart rather than a logic of the mind.” – Eddie Fitzgerald

Maybe cartoons really haven't changed that much, since they definitely are all about muh feelings now too.

>>84050366
That's pretty accurate for the 2000s in terms of what was popular in animation. Why it's in the other boxes is another issue, though.

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>>84050433
>>84050458

If you're enjoying it, then you're entertained it.
If you're not, you don't like it.

I don't see what's ironic about either.
If I'm being straight, I unironically have enjoyed both.

In the instance of KOTH:
Start to finish. No "irony."

"How can a hat be ironic?"
Shit was so fucking great.

>>84050531
I think what they're saying is that they know they shouldn't enjoy it, but they do.

It's the illogical state of liking something that's bad.

>>84050174
Hey man i liked popeyes war cartoons

>>84050484
YouTube should have them and I highly recommend flip the frog as well as it was fun as well!

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>>84050531
I guess if I was to try and phrase it differently, irony is when you're laughing at the show, and not with it.

You can watch something because it's good.
You can not watch something because it's bad.
And you can watch something because it's bad, but in a way that makes it fun to watch, either because it's bad enough to laugh at, or because you have fond memories of it, etc.

You might not have anything you enjoy ironically, but it's very much a concept.

>>84050518
Trigger makes head lines (LWA The Series anyone?) and Madoka was the modern day version of Ren & Stimpy.

Aikatsu was a hit when TMS was doing it but when they stop doing Aikatsu people stopped caring.

Korra was US produced.

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>>84050307
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY POPEYE IS SO BADASS, SERIOUSLY, IF WE CAN GET A GOOD POPEYE ADAPTATION THEN TMNT and all of it's fans who are driven by nostalgia-lust CAN GO FUCK THEMSELVES

>>84050617
>and Madoka was the modern day version of Ren & Stimpy.
No it wasn't. It was the modern day Eva.

>>84050617
>Madoka was the modern day version of Ren & Stimp
what

>>84050644
>CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY POPEYE IS SO BADASS, SERIOUSLY
Because he's action grandpa.

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>>84050644
cuz he eats his spinach and takes no shit from anyone or anything except Olive

>>84050651
Not even that, sure you could say that Eva took the giant robot genre and turned it on it's head but Ren & Stimpy turned heads first.

>>84050694
R&S has nothing to do with NGE.

>>84050656
It took the magic girl genre and turned it on it's head the same way that Ren & Stimpy took the comedy duo and turned that on it's head.

>>84049451
Yeah.

>>84050705
But Madoka does.

After all, the term "The K-On that became a Madoka" as made for a reason.

>>84050694
Both Eva and Madoka lured viewers in with promises of tried-and-true beloved anime tropes, (in one case mecha and the other magical girl,) only to devastate the cast and viewers with misery at how terrifying it can be to pilot a mech or become a magical girl.
It's called a deconstruction.

Ren & Stimpy was different. It was a deconstruction of children's saturday morning cartoons and product placement/consumerism.

The only similarities are the act of deconstructing, and if that's all you're hinging on then R&S is a pretty random choice, because it's been done before and after it.

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>>84050644
make it happen

Why spinach?

>>84050715
It doesn't mean they have anything to do with each other.

>>84049451
The lack of sound made that scene look like a more brutal and badass One Piece.

>>84050776
The Rock could play literally any character ever and I'd be okay with it.

>>84049451
>That ORA ORA 52 seconds in

>>84049451
How many anime were influenced from this one scene?
I already see One Piece and Hokuto no Ken

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>>84050776
We're already getting a Doc Savage movie starring The Rock and he's also playing Black Adam. Based Dwayne should just play everyone at this point.

>>84050223
Put your name in the name field Famicom

>>84050750
Does Bakshi Mighty Mouse really count?

At least Gummi Bears was not a straight up comedy.

>>84050830
>and he's also playing Black Adam
Don't you fucking ruse me, anon.
That's too good to be true and you fucking know it.

>>84050844
Dude, it was confirmed ages ago, the Rock said so himself. And he's excited to play him too.

>>84050429
>>84050465
>>84050518
they're not cartoons though
why not put Volron for the 80s? though i did notice he actually put some anime, though i don't think Urusei Yatsura was even in America... well if it was it wasn't popular

and why not put Astroboy or Gigantor in the 60?

>>84050782

there was an old research that indicated that Spinach had an excessively hihgh content or iron back in the day and parents wanted children to eat their veggies.

Unfortunately that research was incorrectas the decimal point was in the incorrect spot

>>84050825
Cartoons and anime are so far apart from each other in how they're made and what they're about that you shouldn't expect any influences. Popeye is also very old.

>>84050836
I'm honestly unfamiliar with those so I wouldn't know.

>>84050866
God I hope it doesn't suck.

>>84050825
Probably a bit of a stretch.

I wouldn't be surprised if Oda ever mentioned taking inspiration from Popeye, though.

>>84050899
Wasn't the first Donkey Kong game inspired by Popeye?

>>84050825
i don't think Hokuto no Ken was really influenced by western cartoons
but pretty sure Oda has stated influence from the west so i wouldn't put it past him

>>84050940
Miyamoto's original intent was to make a Popeye game but couldn't get the rights so he made up his own stuff. I wonder all the time how vidya would be different today had he been able to get the license and make the game he intended.

>>84050940
The first Donkey Kong game was a Popeye game they lost the rights to. So they changed the sprites around and called it something else.

>>84050962
HnK was inspired by tons of western shit, Japan in general in those days was. And anyway who really punched with a million punches against much larger foes up until then but Popeye?

>>84050870
Because Transformers was a much bigger show.

Astro Boy is already on there with Speed Racer & Pero The Cat.

You also forgot about Minky Momo.

>>84050993
It's really redundant to say the Japanese are inspired by something Western. Of course they are. Japan isn't cut off from the rest of the world, and Western culture dominates the world. Japan itself already Westernized in the early 20th century and became part of that culture.

A strong guy punching people is hardly an idea unique to Popeye.

>>84050993
>HnK was inspired by tons of western shit
Not cartoons, though. I don't know how literal >>84050962
was being when they said cartoons but Mad Max is probably the only major inspiration the west had on HnK.

>>84050195
>I know this is comady and all, but those were some legitimately cool moves.

I especially like how among all the much bigger, more impressive and superhuman moves, at one point Bluto simply picks up an ordinary rock and throws it at him, and he just knocks it back, casually hitting him in the belly and knocking the wind out of him.

>>84049451
Ofcourse, these things are fucking gorgeous to look at.
Howd we end up with WORSE animation being the norm after all this time?

>>84050261
If its for weird nerds whys it such a big industry, shown on prime time, and top the charts in their film industry?

Look up how many films Boruto the movie outgrossed in Japan, its insane

>>84051249
Shorts can afford to have better animation than TV shows.

>>84051334
This image would be more respectable if it didn't carry the constant implication that animation is the only thing that matters in a cartoon.

Shitting on Regular show is too contrarian to take seriously.

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BETTY BOOP IS BEST WAIFU!!!!!

>>84049451
Man, it's almost impossible to see a beatdown like this in recent shows.

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>>84051249
Popeye is a short that appeared before a movie and thus could afford better animation
if you want to compare anything to tv cartoons today compared to Hanna Barbera and 80s toy commericals
>>84051334
a lot of those 90s cartoons were produced by WB and Disney who heavily outsourced, they had the money AND had the Koreans to make the cartoons
Cartoon Network is owned by Time Warner, and the do outsource, but they don't have as big budgets as WB did back in the day
the pic also skips over an entire decade (the 00s) anything by Titmouse, other heavily outsourced animations like Thundercats, DC cartoons, and Avatar, and anything CGI (which is were larger budgets of animation go towards now)
its cherry picking at it's finest

>>84049840
I thought he was gonna stuff it down the tree trunk hole then suck it out using the pipe for some reason

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>>84049451
>unironically
Can we please just replace this meme buzzword with the proper terminology?

It's either "genuinely" or "sincerely".

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>>84049612
>"Anime is for adults"
If you count antsy teens and man babies as adults.

>>84050965
>I wonder all the time how vidya would be different today had he been able to get the license and make the game he intended.

I wonder how Popeye would be different today. King Features apparently dicks around anyone who wants the Popeye rights, and they've quite clearly done nothing but punish themselves. Popeye is almost forgotten today—ironically, I think it's the fried chicken franchise that keeps his name recognition alive, even though it's technically not supposed to be the same Popeye.

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>>84050465
>Hamtaro-2000
anime that isn't even influential or popular even in it's own niche
>Galaxy Angels-2001
anime that isn't even influential or popular even in it's own niche
>Secret of Cerulean Sand-2002
anime that isn't even influential or popular even in it's own niche
>Mirumo De Pon-2002
anime that isn't even influential or popular even in it's own niche
>Fairly OddParents-2001
>Avatar-2005
>Gurren Lagann-2007
>Fosters-2004
>Haruhi Suzumiya-2006
>Moyashimon-2007
anime that isn't even influential or popular even in it's own niche

if your theme was to show cartoons over the decades you failed when you started showing anime
if your theme was to show influential cartoons/anime you failed
if your theme was to show cartoons/anime that was even popular, you failed
if your theme was to show your favorite shows, you got shit taste

>>84051573
This is the standard argument. When people can't argue that anime is for children, they switch gears and argue it's for teenagers and manchildren, both of which are just bogeymen.

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>>84050690
>Punching the ocean

>>84049612
>Anime is for adults.

There are nothing more cliché, repetitive and also with so many shitty character design, with a huge amount of poor manga adaptation.

>>84051655
>There are nothing more cliché, repetitive and also with so many shitty character design

Capes are objectively worse offenders in every category.

>>84051642
>Punching the ocean *and winning
Popeye don't fuck around.

>>84051655
Anime is extremely varied and has very good character design.

A lot of people here sure are offended by idea of adults watching animation that is intended for them and is intended to be taken seriously.

>>84051633
Teenagers are pretty spooky.

>"people" defending anime

Is there anything funnier?

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>>84051706
>Is there anything funnier?
When an anime has a funny joke that makes me genuinely laugh.

>>84051706
>trying to elevate Western animation above anime
Is there anything funnier?

>>84051737
Anime is a joke.

I'm suddenly remembering a strip of Olive Oyl telling Bluto all the qualities he would need before she would consider going out with him, and Bluto responding that if he was capable of all that he could do way better than her.

>>84051573
>mambabies
Dude you are in 4chan

>>84051751
Then so is everything else.

>>84051598
Well Haruhi was influential to LN and whole LN adaptions.

Popeye was the only reason I started eating spinach.

Also, to answer your question: Of course. It's interesting to see how animation has evolved.

>>84051771
Cancer isn't funny Anon, shame on you.

>>84051786
Which is amazing considering what a mess it was.

>>84051786
its a good thing i didn't list it as an "anime that isn't even influential or popular even in it's own niche"

>>84051655
And cartoons have been like that since golden age too expect few expetations.

>>84051693
>very good character design
>shitty emo ridiculous haircuts of every colours
>ridiculous clothes
>characters are generally slims faggots
>shit face

>>84051786
Haruhi is really popular and one of the best-selling anime of all time. No idea what >>84051598 is talking about.

>>84051811
>Cancer isn't funny
Please.

>>84051831
>>84051819

>>84051813
Well i do agree with whole endless eight but i think novels are really good.

>>84051866
Yeah I meant the anime. Haven't read the novels.

>>84051835
I suppose it is pretty funny if anime is also. They're basically the same thing.

>>84051829
You have no idea what you're talking about. Like most people you've probably either seen a single anime and then generalized based on that, or you've never seen anime and are just repeating things you've heard.

>>84051884
Are you just butthurt because anime has upstaged Western animation?

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>>84051829
Well i really liked Arias design

>>84051884
okay

>>84051881
But i really liked movie best thing about whole anime.

>>84051904
No.

>>84051931
I also liked the movie.

>>84051884
You really dont like anime dont you? I dont blame you but i dont think western cartoons are any better at this point.

>>84051955
Then why are you butthurt?

>>84051959
Did you like Kyon as main character? I think he is one of the best modern anime main characters.

>>84051980
Anime killed my dog.
He got cancer.

>>84051962
I'd sooner nuke Japan again than let my favorite cartoon, The PowerPoint Girls die again.

>>84049451

Has Popeye every beaten Bluto in a fair fight?

>>84051598
>Haruhi Suzumiya-2006
>anime that isn't even influential or popular even in it's own niche
Holy shit what

>>84052000
I like him well enough.

>>84052066
No, that nigger Popeye always has to rely on his spinach drugs to beat Bluto after he's gotten the shit beat out of him.

>>84052065
I wish i could too because japs really has shit taste in anime and anime girls.

>>84052124
So you're just butthurt because anime has upstaged Western animation?

>>84052098
I wish author of LN would start making more volumes because then we could finally get that season 3

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>>84052066
>Has Popeye every beaten Bluto in a fair fight?
in the comic strips he had beaten Bluto without eating spinachs

>>84052167
No i am just mad that tomboys or christmas cakes never won because japs dont like them for some reason.

>>84052167
Have you fucking watched the new Powerpuff Girls show? That shit is better than all of anime combined.

>>84052205
Oh so you're just a meme-spouting casual bandwagoner then.

>>84052217
Is this how delusional you people have gotten now?

>>84052237
How i am meme-spouting? I just said that japs has shit taste and it has been proven.

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>The Popeye cartoons were so popular during the Depression, sales of spinach in America increased by 33%, and it briefly slotted in as the third most popular kids food after ice cream and turkey.

>>84052237
Okay, maybe The Power Puff Girls Isn't better than all anime COMBINED, but Uncle Grandpa EASILY does so twice over!

>>84049612
>people responding to this
why is /co/ so easy to bait?

>>84052407
>shit taste
>won
These are memes. You think anime is some competition and "best girl" has to win, and if she doesn't then clearly "shit taste" is to blame. You don't understand anime or particularly care about it, you're just in it for the shitposting and autismal arguments with other bandwagoners.

>>84051674
Should give Korra lessons

>>84049451
>Top10AnimeFightScenes.mov

>>84052465
they've got a huge chip on their shoulder regarding anime.

>>84049451
Is there any reason I shouldn't?

>>84049451
GIGA....
DURIRUU....
BUREAAAKEEEERRRR

>>84050830
Isn't Shazam cancelled though?

>>84052509
Well when i watch those kinda shows then yeah. If there is tomboy in romance anime then i always hope they won because most of time they are best girls. And i never said that i cared about anime i just watch it for fun.

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>>84049451
Popeye is fucking great, so yes. I do.

>>84049451
This is exactly the kind of question I would expect coming from a board of millennials.

>>84052979
This is exactly the kind of question I would expect coming from a bitter old fart.

>>84053075
You should probably look up what a question is before you respond. Make you look less stupid.

>>84053075
>question
*response

>>84053075
Aren't essentially validating his statement?

>>84053158
You tell me.

>>84053158
How is calling out someone for bitching about "millennials" validating their statement?

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>wrong aspect ratio
>color corrected
Why do you hate cartoons, OP? It's bad enough they fucked up the colors, now you're fucking up the aspect ratio too.

>>84050465
>>Avatar-2005
fuck you faggot

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>>84050059
it's made for teens, mate

>>84053480
Teens are a bogeyman you people turn to when you can't argue it's made for children.

>>84053247
Did he offend you? Do you want all those icky problematic cartoons thrown in a vault and forgotten while you shove Steven Universe down our throats?

>>84052204
If Wimpy were a cannibal he'd be unbeatable.

>>84053480
But isnt that just shounen and shoujo?

>>84049451
Is there anyplace where I can find the backgrounds of the old Looney Tunes cartoons? I remember they were very nice and atmospheric looking.

>>84053868
No?
How does that have anything to do with what I said?

>>84049574
Ironically old cartoons only did the noodle limb thing for occasional comedic effect, I mean look at the webm in the OP popeye has defined joints 90% of the time

My Grandma once recorded about 18 fucking hours of Cartoon Network waaaaay back when I was 5 or something. It was pretty much a day full of nothing but Looney Toons and some other stuff.

Man I miss my Grandma, she knew her shit.

>>84049881
I like it how when some of you animation purists out there defend the fuck out of 20's animation, you don't even give a descriptive opinion on WHY these are supposedly magnum-opus of animation history and completely leaving out the 30's and 40's.

>>84055824
But 30s and 40s is golden age

Is there a /co/ guide for must watch Old Cartoons?

>>84055879
Notice the emphasis on; LEAVING OUT THE 30's and 40's

>>84049516
wrong /co/mblr hates quality and you know this.

>>84049451
I like them, yeah.

>>84053247
Calling someone who enjoys old shows a "bitter old fart" seems like it.

>>84049848
that promotes violence and goes against the sjw agenda that /co/mblr loves so much!!

Absolutely. They're better than most of whats on TV nowadays.

>>84056055
Oh my god, /co/ someone got punched in this show, stop the presses! Things got DARK!
THERE WAS EVEN DROPS OF BLOOD, HOW DID THEY GOT AWAY WITH THIS!?!?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVKrF8JzJPI

My personal favourite Popeye cartoon

>>84055954
because without 20's animation we wouldnt have 30's 40's animation? in fact we wouldnt have modern animation period?

go fuck yourself.

TV is the worst thing to ever happen to animation, prove me wrong

>>84056084
Normally, I'd say fuck off to you, Boco. But I actually agree with you.

>>84056137
Anime exists because of TV animation.

>>84056217

You didn't prove me wrong

>>84056084
fuck you attentionwhoring namefag. i hope you get runner over and you wake up alive in the hospital with a massive medical bill you have to work for the rest if your life to pay off. you fucking namefags deserve nothing but hell!

oh , but i do agree with your statement.


this time.

>>84056231
I did. Maybe you didn't read the post carefully enough.

>>84056136
Do you even have anything positive to say about the 30's or 40's?

>>84056289

I did, and I got the impression that you said anime is ever good.

>>84056306
It's the best animation in the world.

>>84056306
It is not good but i still enjoy it more than western cartoons. No i am not saying it is better but it gets me more than american cartoons atleast.

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>>84056306
At the end of the day, Anime is both influenced by and influences a lot of the the cartoonists and animators we praise so much in this board.

>>84056516
It objectively is better.

>>84056053
>Calling someone who enjoys old shows a "bitter old fart"
No, I called someone bitching about millenials a "bitter old fart."

>>84050876
that was debunked, that story came from an article written in 1972 and people believed it for over 30 years before somebody proved it was bullshit.

>>84051063
that's not Bluto it's Sinbad, but they do look very similar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY2XeFqcBgE

>>84056725
he's not wrong you know. millenials are awful awful poeple. much like baby boomers.

in fact millenials = babyboomers.

fuck boomers and fuck millenials.

>>84049830
It's SCIENCE

>>84050307
Christ.. how strong is popeye?

>>84049451
>unironically
>unironically
>unironically
Hipsters need to die. This isn't a fucking word.

>>84050307
>back and forth hitting and kicking
>big ball o' violence with sight gag in the middle
>muscle "power up" gag
>literally punches bad guy into LEO

Popeye was the Dragon Ball Z of the 1930s.

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>Do you enjoy old cartoons?
I'd like to, but they keep "restoring" them by erasing some of the lines and pushing the pink and purple way up.

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Dirt is light brown, goddamnit.

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just fuck my shit up senpai

>>84057373
It's just very mossy there anon
lower your autism

>>84057439
If it's very mossy why is it green in one scene and light brown in the next?

Bad color "correction", that's why.

Also rocks are brown in one scene and pink in the next. Good job correcting those colors.

Popeye Vs. Scrooge both in their prime. Who wins?

>>84057529
Whoever the writers want to win, same as any fictional battle.

>>84057553
what if the writer wants the one with the objectivelly best skill/strenght/etc to win?

>>84057043
Okay, I can see why you would be upset that I called someone out on bitching about millenials.

>>84049451
Yes, especially the Popeye the Sailor meets Sindbad the Sailor. It's my favorite short of all-time.

People like to credit Superman as the first superhero but he's not, the first superhero is some god or demigod from mythology. However, as far as modern superheroes go, Popeye predates Supes and still fights for right with metahuman abilities.

>>84057687
>fictional characters
>objective skill
Fictional characters don't have objective skills. They have the skills the writers give them.

Even if you take two real humans where one has more "objective skill" than the other (say in one-on-one basketball) the one with the lesser skill can still win by chance, or because the other guy was feeling out of it that day, or because of a hundred different reasons.

"Who would win" is retarded. "Powers and abilities" is retarded. You're retarded.

>>84057529
There's no winners, only destruction.

>>84050899
Popeye was fairly popular in Japan though. A lot of our old cartoons got shown on TV there all the time back in the day. They even made a disco song about him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcA7nXqK3CA

>>84057131
Punched a raging seastorm and ocean into a sunny calm waters

Or punched a raging bull who was under the effects of spinach into various meats.

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>>84049451
I enjoy them, but I wouldn't go as far as to say I like them.

>>84058070
>I enjoy them, but I wouldn't go as far as to say I like them.

What did he mean by this?

Good ones, yeah.

I guarantee you there are people on this board that find Adventure Time funnier than most Looney Tunes shorts.

>>84049451
No. Absolutely not. Looking at this clip only makes me more insane and repressed with anger for today's cartoons.

From 40s stoner humour
From 60s stoner humour
From 90s stoner humour
To 2010's stoner humour

It was never good and will never be good.
What makes me so repressed is seeing smooth framerate and creativity being wasted on a bunch of immature, retarded, one trick pony cartoons.

I especially hate the liquid animation style. No physics, no good storyboarding, no choreography, boring anatomy and design, no quality timing.

It makes me pissed off that each style of animation only goes for a specific genre.
If it's children Looney Tunes, then it will have quirky, witty, annoingly liquid-looking animation.
If it's artistic Disney movies then it will have the characters moving slower, but more expressive and complicated to match the suspense of disbelief.
If it's anime then it's always 4-8 frame garbage with absolutely no basic principals of animation such as timing.

>>84058812
I enjoy them because they look great, but past that they aren't really worth latching on to.

>>84050870
>I don't think Urusei Yatsura was even in America...
>well if it was it wasn't popular
It was actually one of the most successful anime series in VHS. Used to fill up rows at Blockbusters.

>>84059177
Well, who pissed in your cereal? What kind of animation do you like? Calm down, man.

>>84049451
What kind of dumbshit goes out of their way to "ironically" enjoy something niche like that?

"I enjoy listening to nineteenth-century Austrian violin concertos, but, like, only ironically."

>>84050507
Holy shit this one is fucking great. Which specific Popeye cartoon is this scene from?

>>84050507
Bluto looks like a Simpsons character

>>84049451
That background has been used in a Land Before Time movie, I swear

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>>84060035
Don Bluth does love pink and purple

>>84060306
That too, but also I swear I've seen those kids cross a ravine over a log seventy different times

>>84049451
Yeah, Popeye, Bugs Bunny, Woody Woodpecker, Tom & Jerry keep being fun until now.

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Hell yeah, son.

1930's are the ultimate GOAT.

>>84049451
Why didn't Bruno eat spinach?

>>84062091
Popeye force fed it to him once when he wanted to get beat up since Olive Oyl got a job as a nurse.

>>84049451
Yeah, I don't know how you can't. They are always fun and enjoyable or at least creative enough to be worth watching, and can even be appreciated on technical level alone.

It's kind of depressing how so much of the technical or quality driven aspects of animation and art in general seem to be dying off leaving the accomplishments of people generations ago unchalleneged.

>>84062091
>Bruno
Spinach wasn't a gimmick in the comics. You're thinking of Bluto.

>>84059177
Oh... okay John K.

>>84059577
Sorry anon I took a nap,

This episode is "Mutiny ain't nice" you can watch it on YouTube

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>>84057526
Shit degrades and yellows as it ages when it's not properly stored or taken care of.
The "restored" versions are much closer to the actual colors and the green is part of the original art.
Yes, they took the color correction too far with the pink tint, which brings out the vibrancy of the green but makes the reds and other warm colors bleed over their lines and fine details.
There's also that they're obviously running Dynamic Noise Reduction filters to scrub out the grain, which would be very apparent in high resolutions since Popeye would have been shot on 16mm film. This DNR scrubbing just blurs the lines even further.
Wish I had a western example, but this is an anime DVD pressed just 13 years after it was shot and already you can see the color degradation from its storage medium(in this case, DigiBeta tape).

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>>84064231
And this is a shot from the remastered Blu-rays, showing the proper color scheme from the original film reels.

>>84049451
Is Popeye the original One Punch Man?

>>84057131
Punch Force.

>>84064313
No, while popeye did win this fight it wasn't totally one sided, prior to what happens in the webm Sindbad got some good hits in on him

>>84050458
Are we even talking about the same show?

>>84050307
Olive Oyl's appearance reflect her as being a bit of a spinster, so she's over the hill, Out of prime marrying age. So she's probably in her mid to late 20's.

Popeye and Bluto are both probably in the 30's

>>84057419
Sword in the Stone is probably the worst "restoration" I've seen.

Watching Popeye wail on Bluto's fat dumb ass will never get old. I'm only sad there isn't a God Hand type game starring Popeye.

>>84051829
>All my anime knowledge comes from naruto

>>84049451
damnit anon now im wanting to marathon through some quality Popeye

>>84066125
Do it anon, I am doing it as well!

>>84050280
Funny enough my Grandfather looked like fucking Popeye and was a sailor in WWII, he just had one leg.
Also loved to use tobacco pipes

>he hated being called Popeye
>beat the shit out of another man once with his fake leg for calling him popeye and trying to give him a can of spinach

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>>84051642
>>84051674
>tfw Popeye gets a Stand in /co/co/ and all it does is provide him with a steady supply of spinach

>>84067324
>talking about gay shit

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>>84067947
>not being gay on 4chan

>>84049451
>that Gomu Gomu no Pistol

>>84064834
Popeye is at least 40 in the first appearance of Poopdeck Pappy and is 34 in Thimble Theatre

>>84052465
because /co/ is full of easily offended idiots. Even the admin team since that post was deleted.

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>>84050965
I don't think Nintendo would've lasted too long with Popeye instead of Mario. Mario being original allowed for whatever they wanted to do and direction to take him and wasn't dependent on any license holder.

>>84056874
Such great voice acting.

>>84049451

Popeye, the original and still the best.

>>84064231
>The "restored" versions are much closer to the actual colors and the green is part of the original art.
This is absolutely not true.

This is ONE background painting across four different shots.
It doesn't change color between shots, it's a painting on fucking canvas that has a piece of celluloid in front of it.

It can't be yellow in one shot, then green, then gray, then green again.

The correct color is yellow and whoever did the color "correction" fucked it up.

It's true that the old prints are too yellow now, but that has nothing to do with the same painting getting three different color correction treatments.

>>84049451
Adding one more reply to feed the hungry fish.

>>84064255
Did you happen to notice that her hair isn't green? It's yellow. Funny how that works.

>>84057131
>>>84050307
>Christ.. how strong is popeye?

Popeye is super strong, nigh-indestructible, and is a reality-warper.

He warps reality by punching it.

His power level is...ridonculous.

>>84070826
>power level
Dragonvall Z has corrupted the minds of generations of nerds.
"Power level" is a retarded concept.

>no sjw
>no political bullshit
>no forced drama
>no dark people for anything other than comic relief

Pretty much the only thing I watch.

>>84050690
>calms down the sea by punching it
Officially the most badass thin I've ever seen.

>>84070852
Blame the english dub,"Power level" where dropped after Namek but the english dub used that word to describe Ki later on giving the idea the concept of calculable power was still a thing.

>>84050507
>>84050690
A lot of popeye fights honestly make me think of shit like devil may cry combo videos with how animated and complex they get

I swear you could paste a guard flying dante over popeye in at least half of these scenes and it wouldn't even look wrong

>>84049451
>dat tree bridge falling into the gorge
Great detail.

>>84070938
>no politics
Literally every cartoon series in the 40's had at least one WW2 themed episode

>>84071017
>>>84050507
>>>84050690
>A lot of popeye fights honestly make me think of shit like devil may cry combo videos with how animated and complex they get
>I swear you could paste a guard flying dante over popeye in at least half of these scenes and it wouldn't even look wrong

So...what I'h hearing here is that the Japanese 'great' anime's are STILL ripping off shit America did seventy-five years ago.

Yeah, sounds about right.

>>84070826
>and is a reality-warper
Isn't it more toon-force than reality warping?

>>84071307
>>and is a reality-warper
>Isn't it more toon-force than reality warping?

Toon Force is more about rubber toon characters that ignore reality.

Popeye never ignores 'reality' in his shorts, he just beats it into submission. Thus, reality warping, not toon force.

His power level is off the charts. I mean, a reality warper whose power works by hitting things? A nigh-invulnerable, superstrong martial artist who can do things like punch the ocean so hard he changes the weather.

And trust me, he's done MUCH more impressive things than that.

To top it all off, he did all this stuff decades ago. One Punch Man that all the kiddies are so impressed with is a pussy compared to this guy, and Popeye has seventy years of experience on him, to boot.

>>84071103
Why it is always ripping-off? It has been just influened by it.

>>84059177
>If it's anime then it's always 4-8 frame garbage with absolutely no basic principals of animation such as timing.
This is not what anime is actually like.

>>84071432
I always thought toon force was sort of like bending reality to do the impossible based on the toons whims/humor. Whereas full blown reality warping was the power to do literally anything.
>It is similar to Reality Warping, only that is made on a funny way. It is the ability to replace or apply absurd laws of the universe; the user gains the ability to re-write the strict laws of physics in their universe to their convenience and is allowed to overwrite the laws with more lenient and much more absurd physics.

>>84071103
Yeah, that "great anime", Devil May Cry.

>>84050307
>>84049451
>>84050507
>>84050690
It's hilarious how well these pair with Mindless Self Indulgence.

I had a VHS of popeye vs sinbad when i was really young
popeye was and is still the shit, it's a crying shame the sony pictures film got canned

>>84071103
Yes, cartoons and anime are so much alike that you can hardly tell which is which. Damn yellow devils just keep ripping off hard-working Americans.

Can YOU tell which of these is Popeye:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YjpAQJirI8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR1cMPnMcaY

>>84071704
>90% of people get this question wrong!

>>84049451
that was a nice fighting scene anon.

>>84071103
what a coincidence,i was just thinking about how hunger games ripped off battle royale without grasping the whole satire on generational conflict.

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>>84071704
>>84071103
Darren Aronofsky bought the rights of Perfect Blue just to recreate one scene in his movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anlHmGA-Bvs

The more you know...

>>84059177
Cartoons are SRZ BZNS.

>>84049451
I consider Tom & jerry the apex of TV animation. Ironically i also consider Hanna and Barbera responsible for the decline and death of American TV animation.

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>>84059177
>i only watch warner bros
>i only watch disney big hits
>i only watch moeshit

fucking normie get out reeee

>>84059177
So what DO you like?

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>>84059177
>I especially hate the animation style that made up most of early animation

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>>84050307
This is that fucking episode where Bluto shoots some candles to light them with his gun to one up Popeye. He then gives the gun to Popeye to shoot something.

Popeye just takes the gun and eats it.

>>84059177
I think you just hate animation.
wtf are you doing on /co/?

>>84071972
But normalfags dont like moeshit.

>>84071556
I'm assuming acting mindlessly self-indulgent?
I don't get it

>>84049451
Yeah? I grew up with them, I was born in '95 but most "old" cartoons like Popeye, classic Tom & Jerry or Looney Toons were still more than common on TV during my childhood

I love the surrealist humor of Betty Boop shorts, it's like a proto-Robert Crumb comix.

Fleischer Studios were so based, but people prefered Disney cuz MUH IN COLORS.

>>84050458
The very first episode was literally "lolliberals" you dipstick.

>>84073625
I mean, to add onto that, I'm not saying KotH was a show that railed against libs, but it didn't show them in a positive light.

Conservatives were shown as stubborn, closed minded, opposed to change and overly masculine.

Liberals were shown as stubborn, closed minded in their own way, weak and effeminate.

>>84051585
>Popeye is almost forgotten today—ironically, I
I see hi, on those bootleg shirts like boop.

>>84049451
>not liking Chuck Jones
>not liking Tex Avery

>>84050257
That's why I hope TVPaint gets some more attention. Ireland has shown some use with it.

>>84050690
>except Olive

You must've missed a few of the shorts. He puts Olive in her place when she gives him shit. She has done the same too.

>>84050782

They were tying to promote canned foods. They had lots of canned spinach to sell.

>>84049451
Comparing 101 Dalmations to modern day shit you can really see the negative spike in detail.

>>84071922
>I consider Tom & jerry the apex of TV animation.

The Tom and Jerry shorts made for TV fucking suck. If you're talking about the awesome old MGM shorts, then those were all originally produced as cinematic shorts and only later re-edited and repackaged as TV shorts.

>>84075650

Modern cinematic animation or modern TV animation?

>>84073186
Classic cartoons had loads of waifus tho

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>>84050261
>it's for weird nerds like the ones on this board

You don't need to be mean, you know...

>>84075714
TV mostly.

Has Bluto ever eaten spinich himself? I only seem to remember him denying Popeye from eating it at the most.

>>84054513
Shounen and Shoujo are more pre-teens

>>84053480
There is the seinen demographic which is like early 20's

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>>84062040
And the beginning

>>84057766
The point isn't to divine some kind of metaphysical truth about which fictional character is stronger, the point is to generate interesting discussion, you autist.

>>84075856
You do realize why that might be a stupid comparison. TV shows don't look as good as films. The same holds true for animation.