Batman #1 sells 350,000 copies, best selling comic of the year

>>84009650
Glad for King

All Hail the King

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>>84009650

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Something written by King finally sells well!

Wow, this manage to defeat black Panther # 1, good Job Dc

HOWEVER

Will next month dc comics manage to defeat civil war # 3?

>>84009650
Wow, I'm curious what the best selling issue of all time is.

I'm honestly happy for King, wish him the best of luck.

Also, kind of glad that it beat Black Panther. I love the character, but honestly, I'm not impressed with what I've read so far.

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>>84009650

>reminder that this is without incentive variants
>Reminder that these sold books are actually being read instead of rotting in longboxes at the Comic shop

Feels good man

>>84009777
X-Men, vol. 2 #1, 1991 sold over 8 million copies.

>>84009749
it is Batman

>>84009808
Holy crap, what happens in that issue

>>84009777

X-Men #1

>>84009650
>King wrote both the best selling and worst selling issues published by DC this year

>>84009834
The X-men fight Magneto.

More importantly, he beat Snyder's #1. Hope this goes on.

>>84009749
It's sad because it's his weakest work so far.

But hey, Batman is always gonna sell.

>>84009856
And ?

>>84009859

It's good. People may go and seek out his other work so there's a chance Omega Men will become a classic

>it's a new hero in town seems benevolent but slowly becomes a threat episode

>>84009834
6 covers by Jim Lee that link together to make one huge picture is what happened. Plus it was the 90s and the speculator boom was happeing

The Hyper Adapter always overcomes

>>84009756
>Will next month dc comics manage to defeat civil war # 3?
Next month, DC is releasing:

Batman 2
Batman 3
Batgirl 1
Batgirl and the Birds of Prey 1
Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps - Rebirth
Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps 1
Justice League - Rebirth
Justice League 1
Nightwing - Rebirth
Nightwing 1
Superman 2
Superman 3
Titans 1

Any of those are either guaranteed or are solid bets to outsell Civil War 3.

>>84009834
It was the height of the 90s speculation market and #1 reboots

Also:

>It is estimated that somewhere between 3-4 million copies were actually sold.[7] The sales figures were generated in part by publishing the issue with five different variant covers, four of which showed different characters from the book that combined into a tetraptych image, and a fifth, gatefold cover that combined these four, large numbers of which were purchased by retailers, who anticipated fans and speculators who would buy multiple copies in order to acquire a complete collection of the covers.

It coulda been something worthwhile, like Sheriff of Babylon, Carnage or Manifest Destiny. But no, it's gotta be fucking Batman.

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>>84009834
Jim Lee did art. Claremont wrote it. That's like getting Morrison and... whoever is hottest artist right now and having them do Spider-Man.

People are so fucking stupid. My God.

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Yes, good.

>>84009859
>forgetting when Green Lantern sold more than Batman
>or how low sales were before Snyder

>>84009650
I still have no idea why Black Panther #1 sold so much.

Fucking how? It was a garbage issue with a thin story and hideous dialogue and nothing Finch was doing was spectacular or unique. It was an entirely vanilla issue.
Was it because of the #1 on the cover?

This was a creatively hollow issue. Is that what plebs like or is this a speculative market thing?

>>84009921
Not an argument ;)

>>84009921

Oh I can't wait to hear this. Why are people stupid now, anon?

>>84009940
It had a shitton of variant covers and movie hype, also the writer is a black lives matter lover or some shit

>>84009874
Nothing else. First appearance of Acolytes, X-Men split in Blue and Gold teams.
But keep in mind that nineties were HUGE when it came to speculators, X-Men #1 happened little before Comic Crash.

>>84009899
HOLY shit at least ultimátum managed to be 1 place in diamond sale list for the first issues

>>84009650
Top fucking kek at all the delusional Snyderfags that said that this run would sell worse

>>84009859
It's still really solid. But yeah its selling because it is batman more than anything else.

>>84009650
Was it good?

Storytime?

>>84009920
[spoilers]I have all four covers as well as the fifth gatefold variant.[/spoiler]
The gatefold variant was the best. The comic was printed on much nicer paper as well.
Each comic is probably worth less than the cover price now because 90s.

>>84009940
The hype from Civil War was real. A lot of black people felt like there was finally a real black superhero.

>>84009953
The #1 and the "Batman" on the cover. If this was "The Adventures of Animal-Themed Vigilante #23" nobody would fucking care.

>>84009940

Because Marvel Jews people out. Retailers had to order so many Black Panthers to get Star Wars variants so they could get good PR

>>84009988
No. Batman drives around and then ejects his seat and lands on an airplane. That's it.
It fucking sucks.

>>84009921
Why? Because they happen to like Batman?
I get that there are more deserving books out there, but people like what they like.

guys do you think...Gotham will be a bad guy?!

>>84009930
It's really pretty amazing how DCfriends will pump into full on persecution complex mode even when they get good news.

>>84010008

Why did it sell almost double what New 52 Batman did and with no variants then?

>>84009940
>>84009965
Sales were also tied to Poe Dameron variants. So retailers had to order Black Panther if they wanted them.

>>84010032
HE is trump,

>>84010007
they weren't happy with the mighty Falcon?

>>84009988
It was a really good introduction, but it's way too early to judge the arc.

>>84009953
>Was it because of the #1 on the cover?
That and the "Batman."

>>84009999
>has the 4 variant covers
>get quads
You are a lucky man

>>84009965
Yeah my hypothesis was that the progressive move would generate hype among the social justice crowd, but it seems weird to me that it would happen to such an extent. Are there really that many people who would read a series based solely on the race of the character and author.

Btw does anyone know how it has been selling after #1?

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>king had to crash a plane for Batman to sell this well
Did /tv/ do it again ?

>>84010016
>forcing retailers to buy a comic they don't want to get comics they do want in order to push ideology
Wow.

>>84010050

So the hero we deserve. King is a genius

>>84009988
Not really.

>>84009988
I thought it was a solid first issue. Nothing groundbreaking, but it was a good introduction.

>>84009988
It was alright.

>>84010052
No one likes Falcon.

No one.

>>84010070
hahaha

>>84009650
But that we the most unremarkable #1 of the week.

>>84009988
As with most DC comics these days, it was an absolute work of art. Do yourself a favor and go buy the issue ASAP before you get spoiled. The way Finch makes use of a 3x3 grid is brilliant and King is bringing his A-game as always to present Bruce and his supporting cast as fully-realised characters.

It's the first step in what is sure to be one of the greatest comic runs in history.

Universe reboot every what 2 years from now on.

Comics are dead.

>>84010037
He's being sarcastic, anon.

>>84009650

Do we know how much Rebirth did?

>>84010032
No, Gotham Girl will be. And she'll be a totally hot lolseductress because Tom has a boner for her so get ready for some sexy hot "hey baby" dialogue written by the guy who just finished his robot family story.
God damn I hate how much DC is propping up King. It's mediocre and awkward and clumsy and there are way better people they could have put on Batman #1. This was a corporate move to put light on unremarkable talent.
King is probably happy with how this is doing but joke's on him, DC is just preparing him as the sacrificial lamb for when sales dip and Johns and co. do another reboot. King is a tool, his readers are tools, it's all fucking gay.

>>84010007
>Finally
Uh...
>>84010016
>>84010046
That sounds pretty immoral. Why do people let marvel abuse them like that?

>>84010123
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting, anon.

>>84010105
Not true. Green Arrow was the only one that was better than Batman.

>>84010115
What? Nothing in DC gets rebooted. The Crisises happen in universe and cause change. Nothing just gets wiped away. Every Crisis happened in canon.

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>>84009999
>that get

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>>84010070
Maybe

>>84010115
continuity is meaningless in a universe that runs on an infinite loop. only individual stories matter

>>84009834
5 variant covers(4 linking covers and a gatefold edition) and a number one. The only thing that happens is the Acolytes are introduced and Magneto comes back after a few of months of being gone from Uncanny.

>>84010039
Because New 52 pissed off a whole fuck load of people, so while it drew a lot of attention, it also caused a lot of people to actively avoid it.

Whereas this time around, they've gained a lot of goodwill in their attempt to bring back the people that were driven away from the New 52.

>>84010138
Wow, are you mad. Did King kill your family when he was with the CIA?

>>84009859
Explain the sales on Daniels' run then, smart guy.

>>84009859
It's only the first issue.

>>84010134
Read the OP

>>84010195
No I dunno maybe it's the fact that he was CIA or something and all of Time Warner is CIA and maybe I read Behold a Pale Horse and hate when I see their bullshit being shoveled in front of people.
King is probably an okay person but Batman #1 sucked ass and is clearly just higher ups playing games with their properties.

>>84010115
No, every 20 years. DC has only had 2 reboots. 3 if you count GA->SA/Earth-2 -> Earth-1.

>>84009920
Claremont and Lee were already the team doing Uncanny at the time though.

>>84010193

Seems like we will be back to the days of The Big 2 then instead of Marvel having half the market

>>84010139
Because not stocking marvel is bad for business

>>84010235

Well I'm an idiot

>>84009650
>Marvels comics average out at 30k sales at best now.

>DC Rebirths highest was more than 10 times that.

not even a company wars guy but marvel LITERALLY got BTFO.

>>84010080
>ideology
what ideology?

>>84009988
The whole
"Was this a good death?" shit was really hamfisted

>>84010068
Not really. These "sales" are from the publisher to the retailer (LCS). Retailers order however many books they think they can sell in their store from the publisher. We don't know how many people actually purchased the book from stores. Additionally, sales of Black Panther were tied to variant covers of Star Wars: Poe Dameron, so if the retailer wanted to get their hands on variants to sell they had to order additional copies of Black Panther. So there's likely a good amount of unsold excess Black Panther stock that's just sitting around in comic shops. The cost for those books were (hopefully) mitigated by however much the retailer was able to sell the variant issues for. For the Batman sales, this is pretty encouraging since we've had reports of retailers everywhere saying that they completely sell out of Rebirth books every time. So the vast, vast majority of those sales likely were actually purchased by customers and will bode well for future return sales.

>>84010288
promoting pagan panther gods

>>84009953
Are you like, new to the comic book industry?

>>84010288
Black people

>>84010298
That would be true if retailers didn't have to reorder copies of the book. In this case the book sold more copies than they anticipated and they had to order more. It was sold out everywhere.

>>84010115
Say it with me slowly, "It wasn't a reboot."

They rebooted almost nothing.

>>84010353
Disregard, you stated that at the end. Its actually extremely impressive.

>>84010291
"Good death" and "Batman" is the worst thing ever when Miller isn't doing it.

>>84010340
Far from it, just curious how this shit happens. I know people who actually pay for comics are as autistic as one can get but it blows my mind that there were so many retards handing over their tugboat bucks for this. To the point where I don't believe it and think articles like this are similar to the "BvS is the biggest dvd blu ray ultraviolet 4k release EVER" ones

>>84010291
That was literally a nod to TDKR

>>84010393
>Far from it, just curious how this shit happens
So you are new

>>84010421
So?

>>84010370
So what you're saying is that Rebirth is just as useless as Zero Hour?

>>84010291
It was a crash course for new raeders, of course it sound that way to people that already read Batman but for new people it was a condensed introduction

>>84010421
that doesn't make it any less hamfisted

>>84009650
>best selling comic of the year

Out of curiosity I checked if any comics last year outsold it

>Star Wars #1: 1,073,027
>Secret Wars #1: 550,467
>Bravest Warriors Tales Holo John #1: 502,964
>Orphan Black #1: 502,023
>Dark Knight III Master Race #1: 449,099
>Star Wars Vader Down #1: 410,620

>>84010111
Be more subtle with the bait please.

>>84010421
And it was terrible.

>>84009650
How is it possible that's WE WUZ sold so much?

>>84009932
>forgetting when Green Lantern sold more than Batman

>There was a point where Hal was the forefront of all DC advertisements and sold the most of either DC and Marvel

Where has the time gone.

Has anyone actually verified this on the podcast?

350k is an absurdly huge figure. The first issue of All-Star Batman didn't even sell for that much. The first issue of REBIRTH which was a substantially bigger deal didn't sell for that much.

>>84010511

>>84010016

>>84010502
wait so they're lying? whatttttt
It's almost like it's just a product. I like how all discussion in this thread is vapid "did better than Black Panther" "dat's a reference to Dark Knight Returns duh" and "King is writing the best Batman story of all time ever"

>>84010520
Johns couldn't write him forever

>>84010550
>wait so they're lying?
No, all those were from last year. Batman #1 is the best selling comic this year

>>84010529
It's not that absurd. "big" comics regularly hit those numbers

So do most of you people that hate it just like to hate things? Its been one issue. You just seem childish and irrational.

>>84010550

LAST YEAR

>>84010487
It's almost exactly like Zero Hour. It made some touch-ups to continuity and introduced some new shit ala Guy Gardner becoming Warrior and Wally coming back.

>>84010600
There's been a huge wave of haters ever since King signed that DC exclusive, anon.

>>84010600
It's /co/ turning on King. People have predicted this since it was announced that he would write Batman.

>>84010600
God damn it Tom, I told you to stop calling us "you people"
If you had written a good, compelling, actual story with any sort of artistic merit people would love it. But you didn't, and it was shit, and so people will always hate it. This is just what happens when you make something that's bad.

>>84010502

I wouldn't count Orphan Black and I assume Bravest Warrior because of Loot crate shenanigans

>King haters BTFO

>>84010502
>Orphan Black #1

Hahaha, this always stands out as the biggest "Lootcrate fucks figures up" case example.

>>84010600
It's just the usual Batman hate

Marvel is getting the Meek Mill treatment

This isn't surprising, I've seen commercials all over about rebirth. They're pushing it way harder than the new 52

>>84010659
Why was it bad?

>>84009650
B-But muh Hail HYRDRA!

>>84010600
Why are you faggots white knighting King so hard?

Most people don't even hate it, it's just that it's pretty mediocre. Anything but "HOLY SHIT BEST THING EVER" is hate to you. For the record, I really like King as a writer and I love everything he did so far, but Batman is underwhelming so far. People are allowed to point that out instead of dicksucking him 24/7.

>>84009650
>Batman #1 sells 350,000 copies, best selling comic of the year

Only?
Asterix and the Picts sold 2 million in a week in France alone, not counting international sales.

>>84010502
Those are pretty discouraging numbers for Marvel. Civil War II #0 sold for 177k, which is a huge drop from that Secret Wars number. Hell, it wasn't even their highest selling issue of the year, and this is with a major movie. Their fanbase just refuses to purchase their cape products at the moment.

>>84010715
>I've seen commercials all over about rebirth. They're pushing it way harder than the new 52

Really? I haven't seen anything

>>84010743
it's just stupid to judge a presumably 6-issue story by the first 20 pages

>>84010787

Maybe coming out and saying "We just threw this event together last second lol" wasn't a good move

>>84010787
I really think their relaunch/event gambit might finally be wearing thin. We just gotta see what happens to Marvel NOW-er

>>84010805
People do that all the time, why should this be different? Batman Rebirth and Batman #1 were both nothing special and some people are poiting it out.

>>84010836

I've just got no interest in what Marvel has going on anymore. When Vision ends I'll have nothing from them in my pull. That's a big failing when you're putting out 70 books

>>84010743
>Most people don't even hate it
You must not browse /co/ much.

>>84010723
Oh maybe it was Batman fucking around with a plane instead of using his detective skills. Or maybe it was how nothing actually happens? Like if you break down the actual beats of the story you can see that it was stretched out and created an uneven pace. The plane is falling. The plane is still falling. The plane is still falling. Oh we got it into the bay and now Gotham and Gotham Girl are here.
The actual characterization of Batman is off by miles, as well. I could get into the numerous ways King's Batman acts out of character but what's the point? This isn't a thread with actual discussion it's another shill circle jerk.

Finch is just an art monkey, his art is so forgettable and ugly and really brings the story down, too.

Of all the things a Batman #1 could be this is the most bizarre and ridiculous story that could have been told. It is not good, it is not fun or clever or inspiring or thoughtful. It's dumb brute action for 20 pages that is building to a story which discourages individualism and courage. Telling readers they should just back off and let Batman/CIA handle things is so fucking repulsive.

>>84010216
Daniels was still in the top 10.

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>>84010858

>This mad fuck

>>84010878
I'm enjoying Carnage and Ultimates too, but yeah that's very few books.

>>84010743
>it's just that it's pretty mediocre.
You state this like it's fact. Is it hard to believe that most people thought the issue was really good and are rebutting the anons who keep saying it's crap?

>>84010046
No it wasn't

>>84010858
Whatever helps you sleep at night, Nick.

>>84010858
>DC has what?
Money from actual sales and likely repeat sales in later issues instead of a talking point blip in the radar of pop culture?

Fucking Batman, when will it be Superman?

>tfw this run will rocket King to comics stardom and he won't be our special little golden boy anymore

>>84010839
A lot of the Rebirth one-shots were nothing special, but people didn't go out of their way in multiple threads to shit on them like they did with King Batman

>>84010929
Yeah, you're rebuting it with amazing arguments like "waaah why are people turning on King" and "waah why don't you like it you're just acting childish".

>>84010948
When Superman fans stop being casuals and actually buy and read comics

>>84010858
> Look around you, only the people complaining are people who don't buy Captain America.
According to sales figures, that's a lot of people.

>>84010948
60 years ago.

>>84010945
Dozens of books getting 2nd reprints

>>84010971
Not that Anon, but maybe it's because people were expecting something good from Tom King? IDK why though, he's just alright.

>>84010983
Maybe they should put some big names on Superman, fire Berganza and get a better editor.

>>84010016
>citation needed.

>>84011018
eh, vision didn't even feel like a superhero book to me and i haven't read anything else by him.

this move seems like giving a theatrical director a big action movie to me

>>84011032
>Tom King
>big name

>>84010901
>The characterization of Batman was off

No. Go away Snyderfag. Batman isn't some reserved autist scared to show emotion. ONeil's Batman is the true characterization and King's Bruce was way more in line with that.

>>84010858
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWXeRrh7zxs

>>84010502
Didn't Star Wars have like 70 variants

I hope Gotham girl becomes a regular character and be my new waifu

>>84010520
Nobody liked his movie and Johns isn't behind GL anymore so now Hal is like DC's embarrassing step child

>>84011156

Yes. These Batman books were actually in demand

>>84011096
Atleast he's a big name among comic fans.

>>84010901
Anon, it's pretty clear you're just trying to shit post

I didn't like the rebirth issue and I didn't really care for this, until the last page. That got me hooked, I can already guess how it's probably going to end , but I want to see it through.

>>84010858

>Scooby-doo outselling Civil War II

Stay Mad

>>84011014
>2nd reprints
All of DC's Rebirth titles are getting 2nd prints thus far. The Rebirth special itself is on it's third. Rebirth is doing really well for DC and I'm happy for them.

>>84010858

>Scooby-doo outselling Civil War II

Stay Mad

>>84010858
>DC has what?
Integrity.
Good writers.
Happy fans.

>>84011169
Too late she will get Dicked

>>84011217
>Scooby-doo outselling Civil War II

What a fucking world we live in. Will it stay that high though is the question.

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>>84011217
>>84011212
According to fucking Bleeding Cool of all people, who as we all know are the best journalists we have.

>>84011226
>Happy fans.
not if Robin and Lantern threads are any indication

>>84011200
>>84011116
lolokay its still a shit book

>>84011217
#1 or #2?

>>84011227
I figured she was closer to Tim's age since she's a sidekick
I don't think anyone Dick's age would be a sidekick

>>84011217
It was a better read than Civil War.

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>>84011226
>Integrity
They just brought Watchmen into the DCU.

>>84011264
Well she's a Supergirl parallel. How old is Kara in Rebirth?

>>84011264
oh well, that'll definitely stop 4chan from wanking to her

>>84011316
Linda?

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>>84011169
>Gotham girl

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>>84010520
That was actually the lowest point in comic sales history.

Just before Marvel had a big event going on, so they had no huge books to launch quite yet. And no big launches from DC either, as Brightest Day was winding down.

For extra sadness, the #50 book that month (Incredible Hulk) sold just over 30k.

And that's why comics are they way they are today.

>>84011251
Go away 15 year old

>A Batman comic sold well
How is this news?

>>84011244
Characterfags are never happy.

>>84011361
write better Tom
no one but you would get this butthurt
faggot

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>>84011286
No they didn't. Why do you people keep echo chambering this? Watchmen was always set in the DCU. It was published under DC. Heres my copy to show you since you are clearly retarded and don't understand how The Bleed works.

>>84011378
>Characterfags are never happy.
uhhh i thought the reason you read a book is for the characters? Or are we supposed to be impressed with script mechanics and plastic art?

>>84010898
Kingfrags the new believers .

>>84011316
16 according to Steve Orlando.

>>84011357
Heh, I forgot that while Morrison was on Batman, any batman books he wasn't writing were tanking in sales.

>>84011409
>It was published under DC.
So was The Invisibles, but it's not canon to the DCU, even after factoring in the Bleed.

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>>84011409
Hey guys did you know Ronin is part of the DCU? True story.

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>>84011381
I see the butthurt, but is not coming from that anon

>>84011409
oh come on, you know what he means. is Preacher set in the DCU? Is Jesse Custer gonna fight batman now?

>>84011409
Go home, Grant.

>>84011442
damn you mad as hell son

>>84011409
Published by DC =/= in the DCU.

>>84011409
>you will never be this retarded
Feels good.

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>>84011476
Bugs Bunny for leader of the JLA

>>84009929
>guy has super powers
>can't take him because you don't have superpowers
>solution is to ram your bike through a fucking window and bring the bike down right on his head and hope that's enough to knock his ass out cold so you can mack on his bitch

>>84011475
>butthurt, king fucks you..

>>84011452
The Invisibles was Vertigo, idiot.

>>84011476
>Is Jesse Custer gonna fight batman now?
Don't give DC any ideas.

Mindless Consumerism: The Thread

>>84011518
And who owns Vertigo?

>>84011518
And Vertigo is DC.

>>84011500
Donald Duck is better
Who could win in a fight?

>>84011545
>>84011552
Still not part of the DCU moron.

>>84011409
autism

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>>84011562
Unlike that classic DC character, Bob Hope.

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>>84011217
>Marvel's media and twitter fans shit on the Hanna Barbera comics announcement.
>Actual comic fans purchase it more than Marvel's event comic.
This pleases me.

what's that fight gonna look like? all the watchmen characters getting rekt in two seconds then doctor manhattan stops in and reks all the JL characters?

>>84011409
Kek at everyone who responded to this. Do you even The Bleed or Multiverse? Everything exist in the Bleed.

>>84011616
There will be no fight. They've said that over and over. I seriously hate this place sometimes. You people just throw back up what you hear without looking into it at all.

>>84011562
In some cases it is. Sandman, Swamp Thing, Constantine.
In some cases it isn't. Preacher, The Filth, Watchmen.
Some cases it's blurry. Flex Mentallo.

>>84011244
Almost everybody except Batfam and GL fags seems relatively happy

>>84010550
>average marvel consumer

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>>84011217

>>84011562
Neither was Watchmen you stupid clod. DC is getting desperate so they're taking standalone material by genius creators and spinning it anew. Comics has always been fan fiction but the lack of respect for the properties they own is so painfully obvious.

This isn't a Hypercrisis thing this is just greedy bitches being greedy and using retards like King and Finch to strum up sales.

Artistic credibility: none.
Integrity: none.

>>84011252
They're actually talking about one store retailer who said that more customers bought Scooby-Apocalypse #2 than they did Civil War II #2.

I don't think the charts will reflect that, but it's still hilarious either way.

>>84011656
>you people
u mad?

>>84011317
No, it's just one retailer who reported that. I mean, I wish it's completely true but you know that stores will still order more of Civil War II over Scooby-Apocalypse.

>>84011686
The article said about June sales, not May. It's just one retailer, so take it with a pinch of salt.

>>84011686
That was for CW #0 and SA #1, while the claim was for CW #2 and SA #2. Are their sales datas out yet?

>>84011451
Not completely true; Snyder's Detective Comics actually gained in sales (which was probably why they put him on the main book for the New 52).

>>84011697
Kek Watchmen isn't some genius groundbreaking work. Have you ever even read it? It's only considered amazing cause it started the creator owned work platform and caused the Big 2 to take more chances. Only idiots that its baby's first decade reading comics think it's some sacred cow that can't be touched. If Moore had his way it would have been all of the main DC characters.

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>>84011686
>May

>>84011500
>implying you wanna mess with cartoon physics

>>84011721
>muh multiverse
>muh bleed
lol good comeback. In the real world it's called corporate synergy and is what you do to get your assets supporting and building on each other. Also known as capitalism, etc etc

Damn I didn't see that coming given the comparison to the new 52 #1. And no incentive variants either (though there were some retailer exclusives). Nice.

>>84011778
>Kek Watchmen isn't some genius groundbreaking work.
Just stop posting

>>84011790
You're literally just looking for excuses to be ass pained

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>>84011778

>>84011816
It's not. It only seems that way if like I said it's your first like 5 years reading comics and you only read capeshit.

Holy shit.

I get that it's the character that sells but congrats to Tom King.

>>84011778
>capeshit fans

>remove the bloated batfamily
>copies sold rise

who would have thought

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>>84011870
Is this legitimately the state of /co/? Because this is some /v/-tier shitposting.

>>84011870
If Watchmen is shit for normies and cucks, what is Batman?

>>84011887
Add PoC Robin for extra SJW money.

>>84009650
BASED

>>84009756
Rebirth has been annihilating CW2

>>84011826
No, this is how a discussion goes when you call people retarded, retard. Calling Watchmen overrated is turbo hipster pleb. It's a solid book, unlike this dismissible Batman #1.

>>84011916
you mean the half arab half chinese Robin? that was Morrison

>>84011909
It's not shitposting. You just havent been reading comics long enough if you think its some untouchable sacred work.

>>84011909
I've gotten good at ignoring it.

Eventually you realize there is no arguing with stupid.

>>84010380
Bullshit the opening sceneof DKR is amazing

>>84009756

Pretty fucking easily it seems

>>84011243
THIS. Plus DCs sales don't matter because they stupidly let stores send them back for refunds. Only Marvels sales are reliable because once they sell to you you have to keep it.

>>84011676
Detective Comics is turning out better than it had any right to be given the writer, so most batfam fags are happy.

>>84011915
Batman is from the main DC universe, which can only be enjoyed by true patricians.

>>84011977
>Only Marvels sales are reliable because once they sell to you you have to keep it.

That's not reliable.

>>84010138
Why not just have Johns write Batman?

Top writer on the top book makes sense

>>84009988
It was pretty alright

>>84011933
>Multiverse
>No it's marketing
Anon just stop shit posting

>>84011686
>>84009650
>DC UNIVERSE REBIRTH 200.000+
>BATMAN #1 300.000+

Batman is freaking monster.

>>84012003
Presumably he didn't want to

>>84011412
"Characterfags" is the new insult Indiefags like to use for people who buy books that have recognizable characters in them.

>>84011936
>half arab half chinese Robin?
*quarter arab, quarter chinese

Genes don't just come from the mom, anon.

>>84011500
They actually did have a crossover with the Looney Toons though. Flash wasn't fast enough to see Michigan J. Frog sing.

>>84012003
John's isn't writing any comics right now, and his Batman is Meh at best

>there are actual people who don't realize that Watchmen in the DCU was just made to generate more sales and get people talking
How nice to be so naive.

>>84012037
Characterfag is an old insult people who read books for their quality use for people who buy books primarily based on who is featured in them.

>>84011979
And GLs is kinda decent

It's mostly Hal/John/Kylefags that are upset (with good reason since Venditti is still around, to be fair) now

>>84012043
Half arab because Talia is 3/4 arab and 1/4 chinese because her mother was part arab too

>>84012054
>Flash wasn't fast enough to see Michigan J. Frog sing.
BULLSHIT

>>84009650

Holy shitfuck, that's a lot of comics.

Wonder how many of them went straight to the scalper's market.

>>84012096
Toon force, I ain't gotta explain shit

>>84011936
Looks white to me. Go black or go home.

>>84012094
Stop, this is just going to become more autistic

>>84012075
Who fucking cares? It has 0 impact on Watchmen as a story.

>>84009650
>Batman
>#1
>hyped relaunch
>multiple variants

Why would anybody be surprised?
The Batman Rebirth oneshot getting this many copies off of the one variant would've been impressive, but this is just expected.

>>84012091
>It's mostly Hal/John/Kylefags that are upset (with good reason since Venditti is still around, to be fair) now

I'm hopeful. I'm not expecting a masterpiece, but from what I've read of solicits and EVS talking it sounds like they want to emulate the post-crisis GL before Vol 3 came which is fine by me. Was one of my favorite eras after the 90's Gerard Jones time.

>>84010162
Who are these mayonnaise monarchs?

>>84012115
Yeah? Well, I don't have to like it.

No, actually that makes perfect sense that Flash would be too slow to see the frog sing.

>>84012094
Ok. He's still not half arab because he's half white due to Bruce. This is just basic fractions

>>84012158
>multiple variants

Didn't it only have 1?

>>84012163
I liked that era too but I don't really see much changing with Venditti still writing. It's not like EVS is a cowriter

>>84011909
>being proud of not reading comics

pathetic

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>this entire thread and everything related to it
Comic books were a mistake.

>>84012204
white genes are recessive so he is half arab, 1/4 chinese and 1/4 white

>>84011909
Watchmen is the Gone Home of comics

>>84012212
No
Batman Rebirth #1 had the one variant everybody else had

Batman #1 had multiple variants
One with him and Joker, one and Gotham City Sirens, more generic Batman poses by popular artists, etc

>>84011676
>Batman is having four books
>Dick is back in Blue and getting his friends back
>Jason is getting his own Trinity
>Tim, Cass, Stephanie and Batwoman all back in Tec
>Babs is getting the BOP back
>Damian is getting his own TT team

Why the heck Batfam fans aren't happy?

>>84012193
>m-muh Marvel
Can you fags get any more paranoid and insecure?

>>84012078
False. If indiefags read books for their quality they wouldn't read Indieshit.

>>84010901
>Oh maybe it was Batman fucking around with a plane instead of using his detective skills
How would his detective skills have stopped the plane?
>Or maybe it was how nothing actually happens?
Except Batman having to deal with a Superman problem without the powers
>Or maybe it was how nothing actually happens?
But anon, you just said nothing happens, how can that be if you just admitted something happened

>building to a story which discourages individualism and courage
lol wut

>>84012212
Nope. That was the oneshot.

>Batman and Joker
>Batman and Catwoman by Dodson
>Batman and GCS
>Batman by an artist who looks like Burnham

Just the variants off the top of my head.

>this thread
The Big Two were a mistake.

>>84012158
>multiple variant
Batman 1 had one variant, bro.
http://www.dccomics.com/comics/batman-2016/batman-1

King really deserves recognition, on the other side the issue itself wasn't THAT good. Just average.

Also, Jordie's colors really bothered me. TOO. ORANGE. ugh.

>>84012091
I admit I'm a bit angry that every other GL but Kyle got on the Rebirth poster.
And Vendetti's not the worst thing that could happen, but I do want him out.

>>84012272
Batfamilyfags have some of the highest standards in comics I have ever seen.
They're so used to being catered to and many of them love headcanons more than actual canon.

>>84009988
It was a solid introduction to king's take on Bruce, which I think was necessary because it is quite different from Snyder's. Definitely excited to see where it goes.

It wasn't exactly groundbreaking, but after Snyder's grouchy asshole Bruce it was nice to see Batman talking about leaving notes for "the boys" if he dies and sharing a moment with Alfred. I liked the simplicity of the plane crash too, and that he tried calling for backup

>>84012335
THANK YOU BASED JOHNS

>>84012341
No, it had 35. That site didn't list it.

>>84012335
>Geoff Johns
>good comics
He doesn't have good taste in cereal either.

>>84012375
Art was just ok though, pretty middle of the road for finch

>>84009650
Well DC needs the money.

>>84012341
No it didn't.
>>84012310 there's just four listed but there's many more

>>84012215
Venditti has shown he can write well with his Earth-based issues and his re-introduction for Sonar being a sound based terrorist still looking to get Modora the recognition it deserves so I can't write him completely off. I just hope we get some more of Hals older villains like Evil Star since space has been so crowded with the rainbow brigade lately.

>>84012409
Not really, they do great in bookstore trades the market that actually matters

>>84010858
>Captain Hydra took the brunt of the negative press from DC using doctor Manhattan.

>>84012252
You're retarded

>>84012463
Dr. M didn't even appear, the only direct reference to Watchmen was Comedian's pin and Ozy and Manhattan's quoted exchange

>>84012493
and you don't understand genetics

>>84012426
http://comicbookinvest.com/2016/05/30/batman-1-2016/
Those variants are store exclusives. Total sales wouldn't be a factor in it. The actual number of variants Batman 1 had is one, and that one wouldn't affect total sales either because it's a free-to-order variant like the rest of the Rebirth variants.

>>84009756
I can't see interest for CWII going up at all.

>>84012463
Actually most of the negative reaction was done before the issue came out
Wally appearing, Arthur proposing to Mera, etc basically negated everything bad people had to say about Rebirth
But yeah it was pretty bad before the issue came out and Hydra Cap took a lot of attention from Rebrth oneshot

>>84012477
Seriously though, what was his last good book? JSA?

>>84012567
DC Universe Rebirth #1

>>84012608
>nostalgia pandering and horrendously cheesy dialogue
Pls no

>>84012567
Rebirth
Before Rebirth, Forever Evil
Before FE, Shazam

>>84012636
Why do you even read comics?

>>84009650
>nothing but Batman sells
What the hell does DC have to do for other people to sell?

>>84011032
They had Morrison on Superman

>>84012750
A bunch of DC's rebirth series are selling really well. I don't have the numbers on me, but I remember that GA is doing extremely well.

>>84012750
Did you even read the thread? Even Scooby Doo is outselling CW2

>>84012842
At one store though

>>84012428
There's bits and pieces of Venditti's run that I like (the Sonar stuff was good but HJGLC is going to be all space all the time) and I don't really trust him with the bigger cast

>>84011264
She might be either Gotham's daughter or wife

>>84010138

Someone hasn't read the solicits.

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>>84012828
For 19 issues.

>>84009756
CW2 may very well be the thing that kills Marvel's "Anger Sells" policy.

>>84012272
Because every characterfag wants his favorite character to be in EVERY Batbook. We're mostly getting this from Damian fans, but I've seen complaints from Tim, Dick and Cassandra fans as well.

>>84013196
>We're mostly getting this from Damian fans
That's mostly just one poster who is so young that he hated the Tim/Steph scene because "old people sex is gross."

>>84012353
>many of them love headcanons more than actual canon
This. This so much.

>>84013092
That's more than some books get. 19 issues should have been enough to make Superman a top seller if the writer's name was all that mattered.

Wow. Black Panther sold 253.000? That is a real change of status for the character.

>>84013368
To be fair, it did get a shitload of marketing.

>>84013153
god I hope so

>>84012842
That was literally one store, anon.

#1 didn't even break 70k with like 5 variants so it'll be lucky to settle at 30k and be the HB book that does well.

Rebirth comercials. That the anon was asking. https://youtu.be/8801MJ9nkFU https://youtu.be/3V5kI2NQzr0

>>84009756
DC is killing it in comics right now compared to Marvel.

>>84009988
Eh, the plane landing scene was cool but other than that it was alright.

>>84012272
Outing myself as an insufferable Batfam-fag, but here goes.
>Jason still written by Lobdell, whose characterization a lot of his fans flat-out reject including me. And yes, I know Jason has been written like ass before, but somehow Lobdell's take is particularly uninspired. Unreadable until the writer changes.
>Tim is a completely different person from any of his previous versions, has a deeply stupid new backstory, and nobody knows what to do with him
>Nobody I know liked Burnside Babs (including the female fans I know), and this looks like more of the same
>Some people are pissed at Grayson ending and more warmed-over Nightwing, though Dick will probably be fine with Seeley writing
I think Bruce will be fine, Damian might be fine because he mostly lucked out with creative teams.
Otherwise they're all not as fun to read as they used to be.

>>84009957
>>84010030
Of course the best selling comic of the year is the second Batman #1 of the decade, sending the worst messages possible to a floundering company and all but cementing the death knell of creativity in the big two.

>>84013911
Pretty sure those variants were free though. It's only the incentive covers that cause a huge spike in issue sales. Freebies are maybe a 5-10k increase, at most.

30k is probably safe to predict for the settle point though.

Link to storytime?

>>84014079
>2 #1s in a decade is bad

Wew lad where have you been? Some of the people buying that comic weren't even old enough to read when the last #1 happened

>>84010858
Because people complaining about this shit don't read or understand comic books. And SJW's are still salty because they want Cap to butt fuck Bucky in the MCU so they compare this and ask why can't they have their way? It's pathetic. It's a retarded ass plot twist anyway that'll just get resolved in a couple of issues.
DC on the other hand is doing fantastic in writing and sales and reputation thanks to Rebirth. And any twist in Rebirth and beyond has been well written and makes for an interesting plot.

Anytime anybody spends a dollar on an actual comic book, it's good for the entire industry.... but you loyalty brand 'spergs gotta 'sperg.

>>84014077
>Tim is a completely different person from any of his previous versions, has a deeply stupid new backstory, and nobody knows what to do with him
They haven't really flat-out re-retconned his backstory, but Tynion is surprisingly doing really good things for Tim's characterization (probably because he's a huge 90sfag and grew up on Dixon books) It's easily better than any stuff from the New 52.

>>84014140
???

People buying comics couldn't read 5 years ago? I guess there are a few small children buying them, but that's definitely not a sizeable percentage.

>>84009859
>It's sad because it's his weakest work so far.
No it isn't.

>>84014248
Idk where you live but I'm from a major city and there are 10 year old kids in there buying comics everytime I go.

>>84014213
Tim in 'Tec is definitely not the worst he's been since the reboot, but he still seems like a vague shape of a character to me in the first two issues. When he told Steph he could be a robot or clone, I was half hoping he actually would be. It's only been too issues though, to be fair.

>>84010651
>tfw I was one of the deniers
I'd like to believe it's mostly people who are reading King for the first time and he just didn't live up to the hype

>>84014140
If you don't see how renumbering for temporary but fleeting sales spikes is emblematic of everything wrong with comics these days I don't know what to tell you.

>>84014607
I don't know why people shit on the first issue and the one shot so much, I enjoyed both. (Liked the one shot, was really excited about the first issue)
One thing I like about King is that he tries different tones and genres with all of his books, so I'm not surprised that his Batman reads differently from Sheriff or Vision or Omega Men. They all read differently from each other, too.

>>84010600
People dismissed omega men after issue 1 as well. Give King time. If things haven't started rolling after issue 6 then we can start to call him a talentless hack

>>84014680
It's not for that at all. In fact they went back to the old numbering on a lot of titles. Most of the renumbering is simply due to it being a new creative team on the book. Are you even reading Rebirth or just hanging out in your echo chamber?

>>84010138
Late to the conversation but DC has tested King and also seen how well he does at Marvel. So they scooped him. They want him on a main title they dont fucking care if he's good, he's mediocre so far, they just want awareness.

Unfortunately this reminds me of how marvel brought in Bendis. I dont want king quality to drop but corporatizing him msy do that