ITT: Villains that did literally nothing wrong.

>>83830850
He stole from a garage sale.

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>>83831054
Okay, so let's figure this out.

>sacrifices his own men for his own gain
>has demons tackle his friend and have it stab one of his eyes outs while he forces him to watch as he rapes his own girlfriend in front of him
>all because he's a pussy.

Yeah, seems like a great guy. Absolutely nothing wrong.

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>>83831054
FUCK YOU GRIFFITH YOU DIRTY SHITHEAD, YOU LITERALLY DID EVERYTHING WRONG

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>>83831054
>Femto
>nothing wrong

>>83830921
Didn't Hook kill people?

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>>83831054
>Femto

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>>83831054
Literally the king of assholes. Bendy tiered asshole.

>>83830850
He stole Woody after getting repeatedly told that he wasn't for sale.

>>83830850
He broke then law multiple times.

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Spidey was the true villain in this situation. Max literally was doing nothing when Spidey attacked him.

>>83831227
He was a hot head who straight up committed police brutality and used excessive force.

>>83830850
You know, if people didn't give him shit for his inflation drawings, none of that would've happened.

>>83831341
He killed innocent people for a slippery slope plan.

>>83831456

heh

>>83831054
>/a/ character on /co/
>quite possibly the most hated /a/ character
>nothing wrong

Everything about this post is just wrong.

>>83831054
Where did batman's ears go?

>>83830850
The first two Toy Story villains can be excused for nearly everything by the fact that they, and everyone else, didn't know toys were alive. Al committed petty theft once, Sid was a jerk to his sister. You've done worse. They made the right call in making the Prospector the real bad guy.

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>>83831563
Stealing from a kid is beyond fucked up, anon.

>>83831563
Let's be honest. Sid was quite a bit worse than just a jerk. That kid had issues, and apparently not very competent parents which probably didn't help at all. If Woody didn't traumatize him for life he could have gone horribly wrong.

>>83831696
He seems to be doing fine on toy story 3 though. Yeah, he is working as a garbage man (and enjoying it to an extent), but at least he didn't turn out as some psycho.

>>83832580
Didn't he burn down all of China while he had Jack's ancestor or father be forced to watch tied up.

>>83831054
Well, he committed those bombings on innocent musicians just because they worked for his rival.

>>83831636
I and everyone here would steel a doll from a kid to make a million dollars
Like the fucking kid would care about his missing doll in 2 days

>>83831696
He wound up a garbage man. I don't think he turned out a success in life

>>83830900
If you saw a plastic toy that could sell for thousands, you would steal it too.

>Muh family heirloom

Let them cry about being cucks while you're sitting on a grand.

>>83830850
>/toy/fag that steal a kid's Toy for money
>not wrong

>>83833742
this but /co/mblr will defended Granny Goodness

>>83831054
Reminder that he's literally made a paradise for man.

>>83830850
I know this isn't specifically a Neutron thread, but whatsup with all the Neutron threads lately?

>>83833706
It's the equivalent of stealing jewelry on the same price. At least with jewelry you won't get buttfucked in prison once your caught and everyone knows your offense since it's more of a common crime than stealing a children's plaything.

>>83833470
Yeah, but he only did it that one time.

>>83833794
This is from Toy Story.

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>>83831054
He actually sacrificed his remaining army because he felt that if he just lost after letting so many people die for him that it would be an immensely more evil thing to do.

So all things considered he isn't as much of a traitor as people make him out to be, he just committed ego implosion to make the dream real.

>>83833549
>>83833706
>>83831563
I would not steal it, because it's not fucking mine. I'd actually tell the family that it was very rare and sought-after and that they're lucky to have it, and should consider getting it repaired.

If they were actually selling it I would buy it at the price they had, because that's their fault for not researching, but if they're not gonna sell it anyway I'm not gonna just fucking take it from them.

>>83830850
He literally STOLE Woody from the yard sale.He was explicitly stated as NOT for sale.

>>83833550
They can make some decent money, actually. He could be a LOT worse off than that.

>>83834783
Clay killed his mother because he's a faggot.
That's plenty wrong

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>>83830850

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>>83830850
Dobson??

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>>83835013
This joke again?

>>83832580
Reminder that he just ended up being a corrupt dictator. Things could have been worse considering he's a demon made of evil with nothing to stop him from doing whatever the hell he wants for thousands of years.

>>83835154
Hell, most people lived their lives pretty decently under Aku's rule. There was just no law preventing people from hiring Hitmen to kill you. Also, he opened the world to alien civilizations, which most likely benefited humanity as a whole

>>83833706
You mean you would steal it too. And just because it's something you would do doesn't make it right.

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>>83834147
Griffith was always a power hungry douchebag with no scruples whatsoever. The only person he actually betrayed was Guts, the rest were all kindling for the fire.

>because he felt that if he just lost after letting so many people die for him that it would be an immensely more evil thing to do

No, he just thought he'd come this far what were a few more bodies? Morality didn't really come into it. Everything in his head is him rationalizing the Sacrifice and the God Hand nudging him towards it. The actual impetus doesn't come until he sees Guts and he realizes he's the only person who's ever come close to turning him away from his dream. And then he decides he has to die.

>>83833783
Delete your post.

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>>83833742
>people believe this

>>83831284
He tried to feed children to a crocodile.

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>>83831054
you are correct

>>83835961
He had Lex Luthor Syndrome.
If he just stopped trying to up his enemy, he'd have won.

The best revenge is to live well.
But he devoted his life to spurning his enemy and so died like a bitch for it

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>>83834861
Shot Orel too.

>>83833742
t. Correct the Record

Morally and strategically she has made horrendous decisions

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the only thing he did wrong was stop the suffering

>>83835962
Heroes don't apply in these threads, anon. You don't see anyone posting Spider-Man.

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I mean, who doesn't hate Aquaman?

>>83836146
So why does Manta hate Aquaman so much anyway? From what I've gathered he just straight up hates him with no real reason.

>>83833706
>If you saw a plastic toy that could sell for thousands, you would steal it too.
You know, I don't think I would.

>>83836355
He's autistic and hating Aquaman's one of his autistic obsessions. No memes, that's really the explanation.

>>83836415
Well I don't know what I was expecting but it sure as hell wasn't that

>>83836355
He doesn't have an official reason.
Sometimes one is given, but it's always retconned.

As far a we know, he just hates him because.

I really hope that the DCEU doesn't crash and burn before we see a live action Manta. But it seems like it will

>>83830850
this dude

>>83831054
nothing =/= everything

>>83833784
Only after turning it into hell in the first place.

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>>83831054
No... Just no. Absolutely everything he did was wrong. Fuck him.

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Besides wiping out the Jedi, which has no real effect on the rest of the Galaxy, he honestly didn't do much wrong. Sure he used manipulation and behind the scenes methods to get to where he is but most of the Galaxy is hardly affected

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Literally a hero.

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Fear is really the only thing people understand.

>>83839080
If the Empire wasn't racist, it would have been grand

>>83839080
Again, it's still an Aku situation where the universe is still intact and people can live their lives, but he made life pretty difficult for a lot of people. Also your average joe may not understand it, but apparently it's pretty bad for the force to be out of whack.

>>83839149
I don't think any moral utilitarian can disagree.
Hell, anyone who is practical must agree with him.

The best part of Watchmen is that there are no villains.

>>83833550
Somebody needs to haul away your garbage, elitist cunt.
They actually get paid okay, and if Sid ever got over the woody incident he can take his pic of the garbage to make weird sculptures and shit, which he was fairly talented at even as a kid.

>>83834861
Morel killed an old woman and Fucked up many people, does that make him evil too?

>>83831054
He did everything wrong EVERY FUCKING THING

>>83839274
no.

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>>83839225
>I don't think any moral utilitarian can disagree.
Depends on what kind of utilitarian they are all wrong
Some could definitely disagree with him

>>83833470
Japan

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>>83836045
RIP Benoit ;~;

was he actually controlled by the devil

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Probably the most heroic character in the entire Marvel universe, not that it's hard to be.

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>>83839080
What about based Maximilian Veers?

>>83839291
Utilitarianism is the only moral code anyone should subscribe too.
Anything else is immoral.
If you care about individual people over the whole, you're being weepy.
Prove me wrong

>>83839326
BALLS!!!

>>83836146
Lol, manta is such a fucking dick, it's hilarious.

>>83839378
I'm not going to seriously discuss ethics in 4chan

What kind of utilitarian are you, anyways

>>83839427
A practical one.

No one's happiness is more valuable than anyone else's.
Anything that maximizes happiness is the correct course of action.
With a slight exception to long term happiness.
That takes priority.

>>83839080
>commissioned not just one but two superweapons capable of destroying a planet
Yeah...it might not have been explicitly stated but it was sure as hell implied the Empire was awful. The fact that Lando warned all of Cloud City about the Imperials taking over the city was evidence enough.

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>>83831341
He was a incredibly smart moron who decided to prevent a nuclear war by almost causing one and forcibly created a foundation for a unstable peaceful utopian on the Lives and sanity of millions of innocent people and wouldn't considered any other way when he literally had a God he could use plus any good he did would eventually fall out part once Everyone 1) realizes there ain't going to be a fucking squid army anytime soon 2) Rorshahs Jpurnal is publicly released causing enough doubt in oxzys bullshit to get people to start asking questions
You can't build a foundation for utopia on the lives of People

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>I find you humans quite interesting, even though you are a worthless greedy lot
>people are of no value. We could make more sometime, if we need them.
He's not wrong.

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>>83831054
Can't really think of many villains who can do much worse psychologicaly. Griffith really was a fucked up character.

>>83836070
She once sabotaged Jenny's gun, causing her to blow up the school chem lab and nearly burn the whole building down. Everything wrong she's done was also purely out of spite for Jenny's popularity.

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>>83839341
Grand mouf Tarkin ftw

>>83839553
That's what he WANTS you to think.

>>83839492
>A practical one.
So it's just how you feel and you haven't read books on the matter, ok

>>83839553
What was his deal anyways

>>83839685
Being so dismissive is indicative of an emotional response.
Valuing personal emotions over everyone else's is immoral

>>83839492
>incrementing happiness over reducing suffering
>>83839713
Or because it really seems like it's true.
What books have you read?

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>>83835013
>raped his daughter countless times
>literally nothing wrong

>>83839553
I mean

In the Bible literally the only deaths that can truly be directly credited as Satan's doing were Job's kids... which was part of a deal he and God made.

10 people versus the thousands/millions of people God himself slaughtered throughout the rest of the OT, Satan doesn't seem so bad when you look at it that way.

>>83839633
He was just doing his job

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Literally all of the main Crystal Gems have done far worse on-screen than we ever see her do.

>>83839691
Mark Twain was massively depressed at the time of writing. among other things he outlived his wife and all but one of his children and he was bankrupt.

>>83839750
Increased happiness is analogous to reduced suffering.
If I were 2000 years old, I'd be an epicurean.

I've read Kant, Aristotle, and Marcus Aurelius. I've read snippets of others.

The fact remains, to increase happiness is the correct course of action for a society, and for a person, when he has a chance.

What alternative do you have?

>>83839852
He lived long enough to die when he wanted to.
In with the comet, out with it

>>83839492
>No one's happiness is more valuable than anyone else's.
Then how can you justify the sacrifice of one for the sake of others?

>>83833784
Yeah! For one man! HIM!

>>83839650
I was gonna say I'm sure he was planning on using the wand for evil purposes, but then I remember the wand just updated after being destroyed

>>83839863
>Increased happiness is analogous to reduced suffering.
No, not really. One if affected by utility monsters, one isn't.
>I've read Kant, Aristotle, and Marcus Aurelius. I've read snippets of others.
If those are really only the 3 you've read, I doubt you've really understood them.

And where the hell are your utilitarian authors? Did you read Kant, thought fuck him and just went for what seemed fine with you

>>83839926
Are you a Kantian yourself?

Ayn Rand is the only philosopher worth a damn.

>>83840004
I lean virtue ethics because I'm weird like that. Although it's not set in stone. Why?
>>83840050
Too obvious.

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>A man Chooses.

>>83839900
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one

>>83840092
Virtue ethics is just saying "I am smarter than everyone else".

How do you deal with the fact that everyone feels like they know best?
The only reasonable course is to sacrifice your own beliefs and simply go with the majority.

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>>83839225
The peace he creates (which may have all been undone by Rorshach, whoops!) was built entirely on a lie. This is a problem because humanity didn't come together by working out any kind of solution. The alliance they formed was one out of fear and necessity.

You may think, "that's doesn't matter, they came together and that's the goal," but mankind doesn't grow from an experience like that. Neither side decided to toss away arms after resolving issues with one another; no, they decided that the should aim those arms at a mutual threat. The situation is akin to military defense pact, which isn't formed out of some kind of cultural or political foundation. The major forces here are still diametrically opposed to one another with all the built-in biases. This isn't a learning experience for anyone.

Sure, Oz may have created a ceasefire and one could say that it may open the door to positive exchanges, but that's a leap of faith. While preparing to combat more galactic threats, what's stopping from these world powers from still making global plays like installing puppet states or supplying revolutionaries? The threat of cosmic horrors wrecking the planet? How is that suddenly scarier than terrestrial powers wrecking the planet with nuclear arms? What happens if someone connects all the dots? Rorschach figured it out, and he's not exactly a hyper-genius, just driven.

There are too many variables that Ozzy is playing with here, and for him to deem millions of lives worth his leap of faith is a totally morally bankrupt action.

>>83839107
He literally convinced Children to commit suicide for FUN

>>83839107
He kept killing people

>>83840138
Children are annoying, anyway.

>>83839790
>directly
Sure, that's the only one he's directly responsible for, but Satan is a being of pure evil here. He exists in many forms such as temptation, rage, hatred, etc. He can easily be held responsible for many wrong doings.

>>83840120
>How do you deal with the fact that everyone feels like they know best?
>The only reasonable course is to sacrifice your own beliefs and simply go with the majority.
This is more metaethics than ethics, really. I'm a moral realist.
A very tired moral realist that didn't keep his promise to not discuss ethics on 4chan. I might check out this thread in the morning, but I doubt it.

>>83840096
>implying all lives are equal

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>>83839149
He created a forced pea full utopia with the lives of millions you can't do that and claim to have any sort of justification Manhattan was an idiot for siding with him humanity uniting like it did in the end was short live and possibly pointless (Rorschach journal) he killed millions for a short lived peace and anyone with that sort of mentally cannot run a utopia he is clearly mentally unstable geniuse

>>83840247
So...
What kind of virtue ethics guy are you? Aristotelian?

>>83840247
I'm drunk as shit, so maybe now we're on equal footing.
Either way, I think that to think that you know best is a sin.
The only way to deal is to have the maximum amount of humans in the average maximum amount of happiness, for the longest time possible
That's the Golden Path.

>>83840265
They are in sufficient numbers. Deal with billions and they are.
In hundreds, no, but billions, yes

>>83833706
>sitting on a grand
>a grand
> $1,000
Poor detected

>>83839848
We've hardly seen her do anything at all. She has like maybe 3 minutes of screentime so far if you don't count Malachite.

>>83840343
So in a moral dilemma you would value the life of a comatose old person the same as a healthy child?

Fuck it, last one.
>>83840339
Yes, overall. I align with MacIntyre.
>>83840343
>Either way, I think that to think that you know best is a sin.
But sometimes you do know best. Hell from a moral realist perpsective some moral disagreements aren't disagreements at all, they're just based on wrong logic or true empirical mistakes.
Also again
>The only reasonable course is to sacrifice your own beliefs and simply go with the majority.
This sounds rather dangerously close to a naive noncognitivism for a rule utilitarian

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>>83840288
>pea full utopia
Green or yellow?

>>83835030
Wait, are you saying Wolverine is a villain or Rightclops?

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>>83840560
>Yellow of course

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>>83836355

Here's a good write up on Black Manta that I think you would be interested in, Anon.

>>83840512
A comatose old person does not feel happiness, ergo they do not enter the equation.

Potential happiness is inferior to current happiness, given the same amount of time.

Again, I don't think you disagree with the ultimate message. You're just hung up on the here and now.

>>83840560
Yellow pea soup is superior to green.
Yellow pea soup is amazing and should be tasted be everyone, granted it is cooked in the proper way

>>83840560
Beans > peas

>>83836415
>aquautistic

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>>83835030
Wolverine the psycho

>>83840635
What I don't understand is how one can objectively and accurately assess utility in any given situation outside of the obvious. You can argue reasoning and logic, but what about factors that are outside of your knowledge? If these unknown factors were to affect the outcome negatively, then through your actions you failed to achieve maximum utility and therefore acted immorally.

One could argue intention, but I thought intention meant squat in consequentialist theories.

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>>83835201
>did nothing wrong
triggered

>>83840785
You're poking holes but yet claim to an even more fragile faith.

Yeah, utilitarianism has its flaws. How can you know the value of each person?

But that's like saying you reject cars for horses because cars require oil rather than hay.

Utilitarianism is the best we got. The best we can strive for.
It's not perfect, but what else comes close?

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Name one thing

>>83840836
But that's assuming utilitarianism is objectively the best we currently have. A deontologist, a virtue theorist, and an egoist could easily make the same claim.

As an aside, just because something is the best we currently have does not mean it is the best there ever will be. People did not look at their current technological advances and think "this is the best we can do so we should stop innovating."

>>83840972
What else do we have to go on?

Yes, there may be better, but to ignore the best we have because "There might be better" is just negligent.
The world keeps spinning. How can you justify acting on what you have best at the time?

Right now, you're admitting that practical utilitarianism is the best we have now. Maybe not the best ever, but the best we have.
Why don't you follow it?

>>83839378
I'm a Nihilist with a wicked sense of humor, your fugged kiddo.

>>83830850
He stole woody,if he didn't do that you'd be correct.The nigga just wanted to sell some toys.

>>83841120
Kefka pls

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>>83833742

>>83840095
He became the thing he hated.

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>>83840606
This was an explanation I saved from here.

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>>83830850
>File name

>>83834440
It's like old Thomas wooden trains. They were valued at hundreds of dollars in the mid-late 2000s if they were made in 1992-93 and in mint condition.

Don't go digging in your attic though, that bubble has since burst.

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>>83839137
But anon, it was grand.

>>83841037
It is perhaps a good rule of thumb, but it does not provide justification in my eyes to do shit that most people would find horrendous in the name of utility.

If enslaving a smaller group of people to serve a majority would seemingly cause an increase in total utility as opposed to not enslaving them, would it be morally obligatory to enslave the small group? If feeding a cannibal with three suicidal people would cause an increase in total utility, is it morally obligatory to cook up some mystery meat?

What kind of moral theory provides answers that most people would perceive as "wrong"? Are those people idiots from your perspective for not seeing your "Golden Path"?

>>83841165
He became the thing he hated in the face of a person becoming the thing he championed.

>>83839633
He was bringing peace order and prosperity to the empire, then those bastards got a one in a million shot and ruined everything.

>>83830850
>stole from a garage sale

>>83841312
>Are those people idiots from your perspective for not seeing your "Golden Path"?
No, of course not.
Everyone has a right to their own belief. Many smart people choose their own end.

But the fact remains that the right choice is the one that ends beneficial to all.
If there was one person to decide whether cannibalism would be ok for a small group, if it benefited the whole, I'd allow it.

The whole is all that matters. Survival, happiness, necessity.

I hate to admit it, but my ethics demand it.
Slavery is OK so long as the whole benefits more from each bit of misery than each bit of misery detracts from the whole.
I am still human. Slavery abhors me. But if that is what is required, then so be it.

Personal feelings are always secondary. Even if you hate yourself, you must do the right thing.
I have to believe that, or I wouldn't be in my line of work.

>>83839492
>No one's happiness is more valuable than anyone else's
Earthworm vs yours? The difference between an earthworm and yourself is an incremental one, you're a descendent of worms. Equality is a bold faced lie. Your formulas are flawed, you aren't nearly complex enough to quantize morality, it is beyond you. Your feeble attempts do more damage than good.

>>83841467
An Earthworm is not "One".
Only sapients are.

>>83841500
>Only sapients are.
So it's okay to slaughter dindus?

>>83841537
Dindus are still sapient, unfortunately.

>>83841448
I don't know, man. I guess as a person who values individuality the problems of utilitarianism become more apparent. I get the idea of happiness being the ultimate end, but to strictly follow the ideal of maximum utility to some of its bitter conclusions... I don't think I can live with that.

>>83841609
Think about this.
Do you believe that everything is measurable?
There may be things about the universe we can't measure now, but you believe there can be a machine that measures everything, right?

That's substance monism. Everything can be measured and seen by some sort of machine or person.

That also means that there is no free will.
That seems like a leap of logic, but it's not.

If you can measure every atom in the universe (as you must believe if you don't think there some kind of soul or ghost layer), then you must think you can predict interactions.

If you think you can measure and predict everything, you must believe that everything follows how everything has been laid out.

Even your brain has been predicted. You're just made of atoms. And if you believe that atoms are made of real stuff, then you must believe that they can be predicted.

If your brain atoms can predicted, then your thoughts are predetermined

What I'm getting at is that we can't leave things to chance.
If we do, then we let things fall apart in the future.
If we try to shape things, then we have the chance of making it right.

We don't really, since free will is an illusion, but we must act like it isn't.

The bottom line is that unless you believe in God and the Soul, you must believe that everything is already set and determined.

Then it means that we must act like a good person. We don't have a choice but we do. Because the illusion is so strong.

>>83833706
Doesn't make it right

>>83831054
yup, and Casca enjoyed every second of it.

>>83839545
wasn't that sort of the point Moore was making about his way of thinking? Hell, he wasn't even sure at the end of it if he did the right thing, and even the closest thing to a god couldn't and wouldn't give him a straight answer on that.

>>83841734
>There may be things about the universe we can't measure now, but you believe there can be a machine that measures everything, right?
That seems like a bold claim, though. How can one be sure that *everything* can be measured and quantified?

>>83831054
>this jerk
oh come on, he is literally the reincarnation of wickedness.
>>83840885
not really mean doing wrong, but he is a one good likable "villain".

>>83839553
Twain was too good for this world

>>83831054
DELETE
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>>83841861
If it can't, how can we know it exists?
Science says that if you can't measure it or detect it, it doesn't exist.

Things that don't fall in that realm are religious in nature.
Are you religious?

>>83840190
not really, he only temps people. I guess you can blame him, but technically it's the men he temps that commit the actual sin. He only gave em a little nudge.

>>83831054
THE GUILTY PAY THE PRICE

>>83841448
What is the whole? The universe? Humans are marvelous cooperators, because cooperation within subgroups is such a great strategy for the grander competition. At the highest scale that's what it all is, competition, the red queen's race. The universe is hard at work accelerating the production of entropy, and nothing works better than localized order at producing entropy. Localized order is what defines life, civilization and even intelligence itself. And they are set in ruthless competition against eachother, the laws of thermodynamics compel that they must eat each other, with no grander purpose than to maximize entropy production. I worship the expansion of complex localized order, it's form decided by forces beyond mortal command.

>>83839107
Sauce?

>>83841578
There comes a point were you have to decide a cutoff for sapient, which is kind of a weasel word. A billion chimps tortured to death vs a pin prick for a dindu? Consciousness is on a sliding scale, not a binary yes or no. http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/06/how-consciousness-evolved/485558/

>>83842024
Localized order reverses entropy. That alone must make you worship life.
Admittedly, I'm a human chauvinist. Given competition, I'd advocate genocide. Humans are great beings.

But in the meantime, with what we have, we must follow what I advocate.
How else will get to the point where we conquer the stars?
Where we make probes capable of von Neumanning themselves across the galaxy?

>>83841928
>Are you religious?
No.
But doesn't that lead to a kind of situation like a tree falling in the woods? Say, hypothetically, that our planet and the human races as a whole dies out before we could measure *everything*. There never is another species that advances beyond our own before dying out as well. Does that mean that what we did not measure does not exist?

I guess I'm arguing potential knowledge versus objective knowledge. I guess it depends on how we define everything: an umbrella term that grows as knowledge is gained, or a term for all things in and outside of said knowledge.

>>83841734
Quantum uncertainty answered your question. We CAN'T MEASURE EVERYTHING, this is a scientific FACT

>>83842054
Monster.

>83842099
>Humans are great beings.
The only great humans are geniuses, the rest are worthless and should be replaced the exact moment the technology evolves to do menial tasks.
We'd also need artificial wombs, because women are dumb trash too.

>>83842113
Quantum uncertainty is a human failure, not a universal one.

We can measure quantum actions. It just requires interruption.
It's not about what is immeasurable.
It's about what immeasurable without interaction.

Don't take quantum uncertainty as some kind of truth.
It's just a failure on how we measure things

>>83831417
Somebody needed to get that hot head outta there.

>>83833783
chuckled audibly

>>83831054
fuck off, faggot

>>83833511
Thank God I'm not the only one who saw the resemblance. But those musicians were undead. They were fine afterwards.

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>>83839137
Can we correct this bullshit right now?

The Empire was NOT racist. It was human-first, so species-ist would be a better world for it.

And this is a good thing. What fucking world would you want to live in, what GALAXY would you want to live in, where humans were treated as, at best, an upstart species, and at worst, a pest?

If we go off of purely Disney canon, then Palpatine saved the Senate, and indirectly, the galaxy, from a corrupt system, and the Jedi.

We all like to think the Jedi were good, but in reality, the Jedi were fucked up, and fucked up BAD. By Episode 3, they were about to commit an unlawful coup of the galactic-wide government because there was SUSPICION that Palatine may be a Sith. The Jedi became radical religious extremists who were threatening the stability of the galaxy in the middle of a civil war.

Palpatine not only saved the galaxy from these extremists, but he also united the galaxy by ending the worst war of the last 1000 years, and while yes, there were problems with some outer rim worlds, the reforms he made brought prosperity to the Core and Middle rims. The only reason the Outer Rim was so fucked was because even the Empire didn't have the reach to police the entire galaxy.

Finally, the Death Star, touted as the worst crime the Empire committed, was used as a purely retaliation weapon. What was the only planet hit? Alderaan. Not only was it a rebel world, but it was the SEAT of the rebellion's leaders. No shit something needed to be done.

The only other target? Yavin IV, the rebel's military base. Who the fuck would blame them for attacking a military base?

In short, Palpatine did nothing wrong. He was a human-centric leader who brought stability and prosperity to the galaxy in a time of turmoil, disproving the need of the Jedi order.

>>83842099
localized order reverses entropy within it's localized area while increasing entropy in the universe as a whole thus staying within the bounds of the second law of thermodynamics. Yes my philosophy is life affirming embracing it in it's entirety, including it's red in tooth and claw nature. It also civilization affirming and intelligence affirming, as such individuals and humans are mere means not ends in of themselves.

>>83842525
Go to bed Kylo

>>83830850
He looks like Ja/ck/.

>>83842197
>"God doesn't play dice with the universe"
Einstein was wrong, deal with it

>>83842548
Who gives a shit about non-animate objects?
So a few lifeless worlds and stars gain more entropy.
What matters is lifed worlds and stars

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>>83842598
Bundy is top tier, have a Damher

>>83842587
Einstein was right.
What he meant was that shit existed because it needed to be.
His God can be replaced by the multiverse.

Einstein was right in so many ways.
His spooky action at a distance was quantum entanglement.

His unsolvable cosmological constant turned out to be dark energy.

If the German bastard lived long enough, he'd have been in awe of what we've accomplished and also solved so many of our problems

>>83842566
>Sees an explaination of why the Empire was the best thing to happen to the galaxy
>Can't think of any way to fight it
>"Go to bed Kylo"

Rebelfags please leave this sector, accept the Empire as your savior.

>>83842618
Correct
It also goes deeper. Human brains are chemical processors, predeterminate. We're p-zombies, but real intelligence, ones not predeterminate are possible, our successors.

>>83842676
>ones not predeterminate are possible
Impossible, I say.
Everything that can exist, can be predicted.

Otherwise you get into the supernatural.
With gods and witches and shit

>>83842649
>multiverse
>not Copenhagen interpretation
big yud acolyte detected
I think it's high time you went and reassessed your priors.

>>83842525

>By Episode 3, they were about to commit an unlawful coup of the galactic-wide government because there was SUSPICION that Palatine may be a Sith.

But they were right.

>>83842525
[STORMTROOPING INTENSIFIES]

>>83842764
And you know what?

Why the fuck should they be allowed to do that?

Think about it. The Jedi wanted to take over the government because they believed the current administration was being run by a Sith. And yeah, they were right, Palpatine was a Sith.

But why the fuck should this religious institution, that has no real jurisdiction over governmental matters, decide who gets to be in charge? Even if it is a Sith, the man was fucking elected legally.

To put a real world context on it, it would be like if the Catholic Cardinals took over the United States Government because the elected president was secretly a Protestant.

If the Jedi were to have their way, the galaxy would be ruled by a Theocracy, whereas Palpatine and the Empire did not let the Sith religion seep into their politics. Sith 1, Jedi 0.

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Do you really think a prey-ruled society wouldn't be paradise?

>>83833550
He is 18-20 and is holding a well paying job that he doesn't hate, that is really fucking successful if you ask me. He could probably stay in that company and wound up with a nice life.

>>83842525

>but he also united the galaxy by ending the worst war of the last 1000 years

A war he started for his political gain.

>What was the only planet hit? Alderaan

Actually a slave planet was destroyed to test the death stars capabilities.

>>83840826
>don't be unattractive

>>83842828

>manipulated factions to start the worst war in 1000 years to further not only his political career but also to give his religion (which is literally evil) control over the universe
>hurr durr did nothing wrong, jedi had no right to try and stop him, democratically elected hurr durr

>>83830931
He's not a villian, more like the rich asshole.

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>>83835013
agreed

There was one villian in Freakazoid iirc wasn't really ever doing anything wrong... don't remember who it was though

>>83842941
>A war he started for political gain

Palpatine did not start the Civil War. At worst, he advocated for more free trade and commerce, instead of going along with Chancellor Valorum and his increasingly anti-Trade Federation taxation system. The Civil War only escalated to a war with Count Dooku's manipulations, anyways, what with the creation of a Clone Army. If you want to blame anyone, blame Nute Gunray's over-zealous actions and Dooku's underhanded actions.

>Actually implying Alderaan was a slave planet

Not only did Alderaan become one of the founding members of the Rebellion, but they were the main munition's suppliers to the rebels until their destruction.

Palpatine did the world a service destroying them and their war-profiteering asses.

>>83843003
>it's a "Sith are evil" rebelfag again

Maybe if you only saw Jedi propaganda, you could delude yourself into believing that.

In reality, the Sith are no more evil than the Jedi. The Sith promote progress and change, and the belief that anyone who works hard enough and smart enough can make it to the top. While the Jedi promote stagnation and continued suffering under the guise of order, and devotion to a corrupt system. The Sith wish to use the Force, while the Jedi only wish to be the Force's puppets.

The Jedi wish to keep the galaxy back, suffering under the weight of tradition, while the Sith wishes to bring the galaxy forward.

It is most obvious in Episode 3, where the plans come to fruition. The Sith manage to beat the corrupt system in order to save the galaxy from it's bureaucratic bindings, and restore peace to the galaxy, while the Jedi attempt to stage a religious revolution to keep the galaxy stagnant, all in the name of a slowly sinking system.

Face it, Rebelfag. The Sith, and the Empire, are the heroes of the Galaxy.

>>83842863
We saw that a prey animal was in critical condition because of her. She did plenty wrongamd didn't care for much outside of her sheep friends.

>>83835052
He's a fucking giant lizard that lives in a cave filled with acid. How is he not evil?

>>83835961
He killed many superheroes and ex superheroes. Wether or not his motives were "evil" or just to get back to Bob, he killed many people.

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How is he evil in any way?
Gothamfags are retarded, and deserve everything bad that happens to them.

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>>83839633
Tarkin spent years training to be the best. And some fucking moisture farmer brat WHO WOULDN'T HAVE EXISTED WITHOUT VADER AND PALPATINE takes all of it away in a single moment.

Grand Moff Tarkin could have brought peace to all humans in the galaxy if it hadn't been for all that bullshit Sith faggotry his boss and his secret butt-body were pulling behind the scenes.

>>83842828
>Even if it is a Sith, the man was fucking elected legally.
No. He fucking wasn't. He was granted emergency power during a time of crisis. A crisis that he himself created.
He then used this power to destroy the very democracy that created him.

>>83831284
>>83835843
He still did nothing wrong. It was only to lure Peter out. At least he didn't cut off a dude's hand and feed it to a fucking crocodile.

>>83836415
wasn't that a lie he made up to make aquaman feel bad about beating up an autistic man

>>83843195
you seem to have posted Joker III. You meant to post Joker I

>>83841814
>the anime depicts it like a H-scene with Casca moaning in pleasure

Guts should have just dashed retard Casca against a rock tbhfamalam

>>83843231
>being this revisionist

While it's true that Palpatine was given emergency powers, this was AFTER he was elected into the chancellorship. And Palpatine didn't even ask for emergency powers, he was given them by the Senate, because the corrupt bureaucrats that were running the place didn't know how to fight a war.

Palpatine only became Emperor when he saw how the Senate was at it's core; a shell of it's former self, reveling in the Core World's excess while the Mid Rim and Outer Rim worlds suffered.

If it weren't for Palpatine, the galaxy would be even more fucked than it was.

>>83843152

I didn't imply alderaan was a slave planet, a slave planet in addition to alderaan was destroyed by the death star.

>>83842525
>Well we could invade Alderaan, remove the rebel sympathetic government and install a more loyal government to weed out the smaller cells
>or fuck it, lets kill billions of likely loyal citizens who had nothing to do with the Rebellion, obliterate its resources into asteroids or space dust and remove a habitable planet from the galaxy.

>>83843316
>Palpatine only became Emperor when he saw how the Senate was at it's core; a shell of it's former self, reveling in the Core World's excess while the Mid Rim and Outer Rim worlds suffered.

Actually it's because he's a weirdo cultist that revels in gaining power by manipulating and ending lives.

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>>83842525
>>83842828
>>83843152

>>83843364
Typical Jedi propaganda. There's literally no reason to believe something like that when faced with the evidence of how he improved the galaxy.

>>83843359
There were twenty years between Episode 3 and 4. It's more than likely that the Empire tried non-lethal ways to fix the Alderaan problem, but it wasn't working. Hell, Princess Leia, who had the popular support of the native population, was brazenly flaunting diplomatic immunity to carry out Rebel missions.

A message had to be sent to any sympathizers, and it was clear nothing else was working.

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>>83843172
>We saw that a prey animal was in critical condition because of her
Collateral damage. It's the price you pay for trying to make the world a better place.

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>>83842525
>By Episode 3, they were about to commit an unlawful coup of the galactic-wide government
No, they were going to arrest the man behind the entire Separatist movement,a terrorist, using powers they had been granted. Palpatine spun it as a coup.
But then, he always was good at spinning.

>>83843441
>No, they were going to arrest the man behind the entire Separatist movement,a terrorist, using powers they had been granted.

And they based that on what?

The suspicions of an unstable Jedi Knight? Because Anakin's suspicion was the only fucking thing they had to go on, yet they treated it as if what he said was cold, hard proof.

Of which there was none. Nothing linked Palpatine to the Separatist movement besides hearsay and assumptions.

>>83843246

Yes. Black Manta is just a massive asshole.

>>83843330

Morally, he did plenty wrong. Strategically however, he literally did not do a single thing wrong and even died knowing he achieved everything he wanted to achieve.

>>83843473
>And they based that on what?
Palpatine admitted to Anakin that he had been mentored in the force, including the Dark Side. They knew there was a Sith lord controlling the seperatist movement. There's very few possibilities of who he could be if we know that.

>>83831456
Yes it would. It was his attitude that brought persecution, not his fetishes.

>>83843473
>Of which there was none. Nothing linked Palpatine to the Separatist movement besides hearsay and assumptions.
Except that he was revealed to be the shadowy figure that Gunray was answering to throughout episodes I and II.

>>83843665
To the audience.

Don't mistake viewer knowledge with character knowledge.

>>83839274
>and Fucked up many people
People were already fucked up. Half of Morel Orel's message was that no matter how broken your upbringing or fractured you may see yourself as being as a person, you can still turn out fine.

>>83843473
I'm no fan of the Jedi but ol' Sheevy was a bad apple. Literally opening a well of dark side force energy right under the fucking Jedi temple to be able to corrupt the entire government, including the Jedi, and cloud their judgement and bend them towards his will.

Also, killed his master who was possibly one of the least evil Sith ever who wanted to abolish the rule of 2 and figure out how to bring people back from the dead. He was a scientist and a scholar and Sheev is just a greedy fucking rich brat. Fuck Palpatine.

>>83843401
We see him laugh as he murders his own soldiers just to fuck with rebels.

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People are greedy, fickle and untrustworthy. I think a godlike artificial super-intelligence would do much better at making the world a better place than politicians.

>>83839790

>10 people versus the thousands/millions of people God himself slaughtered throughout the rest of the OT,
In all fairness, they were monsters who Satan breeded to sacrifice their children, drink blood, worship false gods, and etc. If I was God, I would've done the same thing.

>>83833706
NIGGER DETECTED

>>83833549
You appear to be under the impression that we are all niggers. you are wrong.

>>83840096
Wrong. The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYvlhHPLzCA

>>83840635
muh happiness

>>83842525
He enslaved billions

These threads are always terrible because nine times out of ten there's no moral ambiguity in a villain's actions and for the sake of story purposes they're dehumanized and used as a plot device. Most villains are no more morally just than a natural disaster

But once you've seen one villain who was actually written that way you start to make connections all over the place where they don't belong.

Oh and then there's the jokesters who post unrepentant baby murders and rapist cannibals as a joke. Real original

>>83842629
Well, not until he found religion.

>>83842828
The Galactic Empire WAS a Theocracy

>>83843152
>The Civil War only escalated to a war with Count Dooku's manipulations

Who was doing so under Palpatines orders.

>>83843316
>And Palpatine didn't even ask for emergency powers, he was given them by the Senate

Which he manipulated Jar-Jar into giving him.

>>83835013
who is this?

>>83843728
>Literally opening a well of dark side force energy right under the fucking Jedi temple
Wait, what? How and when did he do that? I thought it was just implied that he was directly dulling their senses with his own power.

>>83844166
A child rapist.

>>83844178
I don't remember if it was in the novel Tarkin, or Darth Plagueis. Now I kinda wanna know because I'm not sure if it's still canon or not.

>>83843473
Mace dindu even talks about how the Jedi will directly run the republic and supersede the senate after Sheev is arrested. Textbook coup

>>83844178
Ok so it's currently unknown in Disney canon because it was mentioned in the old EU. Force Nexuses do exist, but they didn't mention that a dark side nexus was underneath the Jedi Temple on Coruscant.

Either way he was manipulating everybody around him with the Dark Side.

I know these threads are almost entirely ironic but are there any good instances where the villain actually did almost nothing wrong but is still portrayed as evil because of strong protagonist centred morality?

>>83840050
Rand was a cuck that could not write for shit.

>>83844270
The Watchmen?

>>83844299
Maybe if you're a fanatical utilitarian, I was thinking of something less ambiguous.

>>83844270
Assassin's Creed 2

>>83843152
The autism is strong with this one.

>>83844270
Most of the "villains" in Nier.

>>83840050
Jesus Christ, really?

>>83844270
Aside from being a mob boss, he was just out to avenge his friend. All of his on-screen kills were either self-defense or covering his tracks, and given that he seemed pretty honorable, he most likely did provide one of his victims' family with money once he convinced that person to commit suicide.

Dexter is shit though, so don't watch that.

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>>83844608
Forgot image.

But seriously, in any other show he'd be a protagonist.

>>83844270
Ferris Bueller's Day Off. The principle was doing his job and Ferris is an asshole.

>>83835984
Agreed.

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>>83842525
Palpatine is the true hero of the Star Wars saga.

Oh and fuck Disney Wars. It ended at 6.

>>83835666
Satan knows best, Sam was evil and did everything wrong.

>>83844625
Rooney didn't have to leave the school and pursue Ferris like some kind of non-giving up school guy. Any misfortune which followed that decision was self-created.

>>83831054
kill yourself.

>>83844625
Sounds like someone forgot about the moral at the end of the film.

>>83840606
>Because of his race, he uses the slavery of generations past to justify his want for a kingdom

WE

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>>83839848
Maybe the others have fucked up but her screentime has pretty much been condensed Villain-ery, with nothing good in it.

>Orders Peridot to fire a massive fucking laser at the Crystal Gems
>Punches a child in the face
>Fucking destroys Garnet with a taser super-weapon
>Makes Lapis fuse with her so she could be "even" with Garnet

Only good thing that she's done is fall into the hole.

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>>83844447
>Borgia
>Did nothing wrong

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He couldn't even get his pudding...

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i hope Gaston will fine the love in the new Beauty and the Beast :3

>>83830850
Why is in all toy story movies, adult collector and toy player are shows as disgusting and pathetic villein ?
This is quit unfair , in real life adult players are the one that will keep toys safe and well keep
while children often don't understand and realize they lose or broke their precious toys until is too late when they are older

>>83845027
>orders Peridot to fire a massive fucking laser at the Crystal Gems
If you were serving your country on a mission and came across the sworn enemy of your homeland you'd settle the score too.
>punches a child in the face
Rose Quartz is a former glory of Homeworld turned traitor and zoophile. Humans are little more than hairless apes compared to the conquest-oriented Gem beings.
>Fucking destroys Garnet with a taser super-weapon
Garnet was charging at her with intent to attack. Self-defense against the enemy is wrong?
>Makes Lapis fuse with her so she could be "even" with Garnet
From a strategic standpoint it makes sense - fusion versus fusion. Jasper has a very strong sense of pride and honor and wanted to finish the fight however she could.

>>83843726
I think the poster means "impregnated" many people, which is true. Different definition of fucked, I guess.

>>83835962

/thread

Internet is complete guys. Go home.

>>83843726
>Half of Morel Orel's message was that no matter how broken your upbringing or fractured you may see yourself as being as a person, you can still turn out fine.

But it's a crazy long shot.

>>83830850
You picked him of all people and not Sid from the first movie?
Sid was an actually awesome kid. He was creative as fuck and was actually safe when he used explosives.

>>83833742
Are you a Muslim?

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Let's be honest, if Nolan's movies applied realistic logic rather than "everyone is inherently good and would stand for their city", Gotham would be the same hellhole it is in the comics. Probably worse, as mobsters sometimes get into politics and given how powerful they are in Gotham, it's not that unlikely.

>>83834147
>He actually sacrificed his remaining army because he felt that if he just lost after letting so many people die for him that it would be an immensely more evil thing to do.

You cant be serious anon, thats not an act of good thats insane and selfish justification for an act of evil that benefited only him.

>>83848019
>there is nothing wrong with genocide

>>83848076
Depends on who you are genociding.

>>83848593
This is why you're not leading any countries, anon.

>>83848667
What a bizarre thing to say.

>>83848692
Which countries are you leading?

>>83848789
You're a very strange and sad person, and you have my pity.

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>>83830850

>>83848824
Says the physcopath

>>83843152
You sound exactly like the star wars universe's Nigel Farage

>>83849031
That isn't a bad thing.

>>83848969
He converted to islam

>>83848824
Coming from the person advocating genocide

>>83849046
>wanting to cripple your own economy isn't a bad thing

>>83849079
>wanting to stay in a union that will destroy your society and your culture isn't a bad thing

I'd gladly, cheerfully, take a hit to the economy which we will eventually recover from, over defeating the whole point of being a nationstate in the first place.