/doa/ - Dumbing of Age

>>83676272
Willis is really doing a great job of writing these robots that don't understand how humans converse or interact.

>>83676451
I'd say he does a good job of writing "The Straw Man and The Deadpan". One person snarks, while the other person basks in their own ego.

>>83676272
shes also a hispanic woman whos admitted to not believing in the stuff she spouts and is related to roz, so

marys been on the record as hating every desanto for a while

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>>83676272
So uh....what's the joke?

>>83677365
Us for actively paying attention to this shit, even if we try to pretend that we're being ironic.

>>83677365
marys ego
also this is a story strip, not a punchline a day. (even though a lot of them have punchlines anyway)

>>83677431
It doesn't even do anything to progress the story. It's just Mary being a cunt.

This strip is fucking useless.

I really like Mary's shirt.

>>83678071
https://www.christianbook.com/more-him-less-shirt-black-medium/pd/20368M
Here's the first one I found after searching Google. I'm sure there are better ones out there, of course.

>>83677612
>this comic is fucking useless
ftfy

Willis is throwing a hissy-fit in the comments section. Come see before its deleted.

>>83678562
Well somebody should screencap it.

>>83678610
Too lazy.

>>83678562
This isn't Patreanon's strip?

>>83678680
No it's todays.

>>83678562
Two snippy comments, hardly a hissy fit. He was shut down pretty hard by the guy pointing out it'd be easy as hell for him to edit the dialogue.

>>83678864
No no, he'd need a TIME MACHINE for that.
Surprised entire string of posts wasn't deleted after the guy pointed out editing is a thing that exists.

>>83678894
I'd read the adventures of Dave Willis, Time Travelling Cartoonist.

>>83676272
I cant tell if Mary is serious in the last panel or using dry humor. The latter seems more likely realistically given the dialogue, but...

>>83679018
It's difficult to tell because she has been given dialogue that no human would ever say.

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>>83678562
>>83678610
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>>83678894
Pic related.

>>83678952
I wouldn't. He'd just go back in time and retroactively make Mary the worst person in existence.

>>83679018
>>83679371
I feel as if Willis realized that Mary didn't have many memorable scenes prior to her interaction with Carla, so now he's going all in on characterizing her as being a total bitch.

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>if someone criticizes my shit writing it's because they're a bigot who secretly agrees with the villains motivations simply because they're suggesting to make the person less of a cardboard cutout

bravo willy

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>>83679394
>>83679450

It's equal parts irritating and hilarious how damn assmad he gets at the slightest hint of criticism.

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>>83679394
>she was only trying to study

So has he actually addressed why this isn't a valid complaint or is the only response "IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN YOU HATE TRANSEXUALS"?

>>83679394
>I wouldn't. He'd just go back in time and retroactively make Mary the worst person in existence.

That's the beauty of it. In his attempts to make Mary the worst person in existence she retains popularity as her increasing "evil" makes her a cartoonish standout and villain you love to hate. As his sanity slips due to reality not conforming to his expectations he comes to believe that it's the past that he has to change. Gathering a brood of loyal followers, they seek to bring about his perfect world, even if they have to destroy history itself.

Mary talks like an npc from a videogame made by Japan that takes place in a vaguely medieval setting.

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>>83679523
This is how Willis thinks all Christians talk. Toedad and Ms. Brown were the same way.

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>>83679493
Nope, it's clearly just the evil internet bullies trying to deflect from the Big Issues.

>>83679523
>>83679561
It isn't so much "all Christians" as much as it seems to be how he thinks devout Christians talk.

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>>83679569
>gamergate reference

Does time move slower for Willis or what?

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>>83679522
Well, he's developed a personal army from his years of being an Online Personality. May as well put them to use.

>>83679523
>>83679561
"You have defied me for the last time! So says Mary Doom!"

>>83679596
For SJW-types, Gamergate is a never-ending threat.

Cue "stair-muffing.jpg"

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>>83679561
>tfw reading shortpacked
>leslie introduces her mom
>who was just worried and wanted to meet leslie's girlfriend before they took her helicopter
>leslie flips her shit
>then the girlfriend rants at her, the woman just kinda looks at her non-plussed, and she stalks off after flipping her off
>several issues later, when introducing her baby with the emotionally abusive, terrible person
>her mother doesn't give her support for the horrible, unhealthy relationship
>she's the monster

I've only ever been on the 'villain's' side that hard once before, and that was with ethan's 'mean' boyfriend who wanted him to stop hoarding.

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>>83676272
Wow, Tim Buckley really did change his art style.

>>83679596
Nah, it's just a matter of 'winning' the argument by changing the question. In this case making the issue less about his writing and world-building and more about a grand scheme to protect Internet Ladies from Internet Dudes, and only nice guys like him can save the day.

>>83679522
Willis has been making strawmen for his entire career. Walkyverse Mary was one of the first.

>>83676612
He's really like the new Andrew Dobson. Look at that fucking hand in the third panel.

>>83679394
>no need to be condescending about it
It's like that guy doesn't understand Willis' ethos.

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>Carla is, as always, an annoying turd on purpose
>Mary goes overboard and insults Carla's very gender over the inconvenience

My issue isn't that this whole storyline is complete balls, but more about how good it could've been with this setup. Just hear me out for a second. Think of how much both characters could've grown as a result of this incident if Willis had any interest in developing characters instead of writing a story where he gets to beat all the meaniehead bullies:


>Carla realizes being a complete and total twat on purpose only makes you enemies- so getting made at the enemies you yourself made and playing the victim card gets you nowhere
>Carla realizes the enemies she DOES make are just that- enemies- so taking what they say to heart is a dumb thing to do in the first place
>Mary realizes she takes shit waaay to seriously and legitimately needs to work on her anger
>Mary realizes that she probably shouldn't speak for god, as his judging is his own business


OR- OR OR OR OR OR- EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO KEEP MARY AS A VILLAIN:
>Skip the part where Mary knows about Ruth
>Have Ruth beat the shit out of Mary after getting drunk and breaking up with Billie
>Have the entire floor hate Mary's fuckin' guts
>Have a teacher give her completely bogus grades because of what she said
So at least then you have some pathos and motivation for why she'd be bigoted.

>>83679615
>ethan is shown to be a manic collector, spending hours upon hours nightly collecting figurines
>then forcing his friends to help
>going from town to town in the dead of night
>his apartment is packed, up to and including being able to fill entire rooms with boxes
>toys line every inch of his shared apartment
>boyfriend is uncomfortable with this
>ethan tries to put his toys in boyfriend's house
>boyfriend is uncomfortable with this, says so
>says ethan may have a problem, and he's willing to help him get through it
>ethan flips his shit
>later, ethan encounters a hoarder who was having an emotional breakdown
>uses that as an example of why he doesn't have a problem--because someone is far worse, he doesn't have a problem at all!
>we're supposed to side with ethan as the boyfriend leaves him rather than stay with a toxic partner
>as evidenced several issues later when the boyfriend returns, points out his new boyfriend is an enabler(which he is), then hits on him

willis has some serious mental issues, doesn't he?

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>>83679740
remember, if you criticize willis for drawing bad porn, you're just as bad as THEM.

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>>83679615
>>83679740
>>83679733

There are no words strong enough to convey how bad Willis is at writing conflicts.

How does he manage to have a black and white viewpoint of his characters and yet still utterly fail to convey them as good guys and bad guys?

The "bad guys" are always grey area to downright reasonable, yet youre supposed to hate them, and the "good guys" are always loud violent pricks yet we're supposed to love them.

It's just astonishing. He fails character writing on every conceivable level.

I hope every one of you has adblock enabled if you ever visit Willis's site.

>>83679740
That was kind of the point where Shortpacked lost me. Among other things, it threw Jacob under the bus. Instead of having Jacob be a younger gen fandom foil for Ethan, Willis made him a sex addict, spun that into a general addictive personality. All so Ethan can say "At least I'm not *THAT GUY*"

>>83679843
>He fails character writing on every conceivable level
I don't know how to say this without sounding trite but doing the same thing over and over again for years doesn't make you better at it. Listening to and accepting criticism does.

>>83679733
The problem is that all of DoA's stories are moralizing, and the morals are terrible. No one is growing or becoming better or reaching accords with people they disagree with. The villains are EVIL and the characters designated as heroes can be terrible without repercussion.

>>83679740
>as evidenced several issues later when the boyfriend returns, points out his new boyfriend is an enabler(which he is), then hits on him
Even worse, Ethan seeks the ex-boyfriend out of his own volition, because his self esteem demands this person who's life he has otherwise completely broken off from realize he was totally wrong about Ethan. He's literally at the guy's door, trying to shove it in his face, for no other reason than it's the only way he can feel secure in his new relationship is if this other guy acknowledges it.

>>83679394
Lol, he responded and invoked Roomies lore.
>This character is clearly bad, just look at her past alternate form that I say is not at all necessary to enjoy this comic. I DON'T HAVE TO WRITE HER WELL!

>>83680207
they bumped into each other and the guy hit on him and gave him his address, which inspired that scene

>>83679760
He was all over Twitter and stuff saying "the site may go down when i strike out at #GamerGate but I HAVE TO DO THIS" like he was gonna make a big difference.

>>83676272
i wonder if that's supposed to be her redeeming quality.

>>83680233
Bah, forgot about that. My last encounter with that particular encounter with this branch of the franchise was rereading the badwebcomics review.

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>>83680320
it's fine

it was still fucking stupid.

>post yfw you realize this is probably EXACTLY how willis defends his obsessions

>>83679760
>remember, if you criticize willis for drawing bad porn, you're just as bad as THEM
I never get tired of this Discworld quote, as obvious as the moral is, because we never fucking learn.

>It was much better to imagine men in some smoky room somewhere, made mad and cynical by privilege and power, plotting over the brandy. You had to cling to this sort of image, because if you didn’t then you might have to face the fact that bad things happened because ordinary people, the kind who brushed the dog and told their children bedtime stories, were capable then of going out and doing horrible things to other ordinary people. It was much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone’s fault. If it was Us, what did that make Me?

>>83680238
That's so cute. Willis thinks he matters.

>>83676272
>His perfect glory's gentle reminder
Gentle indeed, sweet Mary.

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reminder that unhealthy obsessions are completely fine because there's always someone worse.

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>>83680391
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>>83680344

It is. He tossed Drew under a bus because the comment section took his side.

He the had Drew come back and had the fuck you speech because the commenters missed him and agreed with him.

>>83680387
There wasn’t anything in your room –- only a bed and a small desk. It looked like a prison cell... No television set... no family pictures... not even a poster... A lifeless room... almost like your empty heart!

>>83680447
ROSE!

wasn't the porn willis drew not even good... like for him it was especially bad?

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Since we're bringing up Willis' bad writings and Shortpacked, Here's one that really stands out in my mind.
I still, to this day have no idea what Willis had going on in his head when he wrote this. Even as far as his soapboxing mouthpieces go, this one just doesn't make sense. Why would you bring up trans issues in this strip. This isn't even the argument you're fighting against. You just brought that up out of nowhere for no reason.
It's like having a comic about a guy who hates black people and saying "Tacos are from Mexico."
He eventually had to close the comments because people weren't eating out of his hands.

>>83679733
If he wanted to keep Mary as the villain all he needed to do is switch the focus. The storyline starts with Mary being disturbed, it's very difficult for people not to sympathize with Mary after that. Willis wanting the message to be that bigoted language is never appropriate is fine too, but the fact that all Mary can muster up is an indirect insinuation that wasn't even clear to his longtime readers who follow his blog posts means that it doesn't work. Mary is less of a villain than an authority figure in an 80s teen comedy.

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>>83680487
Ken and Lucy deserved a better webcomic than Shortpacked.

>>83680504
Most of Willis' characters deserve a better comic. He's better at ruining his own characters than Kishimoto.

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>>83680487
this is what was going through his head.

>>83680344
>having no conflict is a good thing
Unless you're somehow infallible, having someone call you out on your mistakes is a good way to get better.

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>>83677410
It's true.

>>83680529
>tfw lee, hinata, neji, and shikamaru remained consistent

>>83680535
What a faggot, I pity his children.

>>83680595
>I pity his children.
I keep wondering whether they'll become super christians to annoy him, just realize what a shithead he is and be relatively balanced people, or end up "deschooled" retards who can't exist in the real world and try to live off of patreons and YT channels or whatevs they have 20 years from now

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Quick reminder that the DOA-edits tumblr is still going strong and Willis still hasn't talked about it.
doa-edits.tumblr.com

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>>83680669
I figure they'll be super zealous.

First generation fundies usually are. They won't deprogram themselves if the culture they grow up with reinforces Willis beliefs, which it pretty much does.

Willis is super, super left, but polarized political parties tend to favor their own extremes over the moderates of the other side, so the general leftism present in the Nation's presence, that is the media, will back Willis's extremism up.

>>83680487
this is based off a thread on allspark.com i think? anyway IIRC it basically went like this:

>Some Guy: anyway am i only one bugged by the MLP ad on the back? it's kinda jarring.
>Willis: You are aware they're both based off 80s children tv shows? It's the same demographic.
>Some Guy: one's a comic aimed at older male audiences and the other is aimed at little girls. it's not the same demographic
>Willis: Hey some of those girls have penises. You shouldn't let gender stereotypes dictate what you like.
>Everyone else in the thread: What the fuck are you talking about? Who the fuck was talking about gender issues?

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>still no fanfiction where Joyce gets turned into a dude and has to deal with havin' a wang and also maybe has gayboi sex at some point in there

why
even live

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>>83680769
>not having a fanfiction where Mary engages in a lesbian orgy with Ruth and Billie

>>83680756
Even if some of those girls had penises, wouldn't they still fall into the girls' demographic?

I think Willis is actually pretty conflicted.

Perhaps he doth protest too much

>>83680751
He's a leftist but he's still a fundamentalist just like he was raised to be. That's why he's insufferable.

>>83676272
Yeah Christians aren't all that crazy for Trump.

>>83676272
Mary like this is actually funny.
Willis supposedly planned for her to be a foil to Joyce but decided no one liked her. But if she was a cartoonish strawman like that all the time she'd be a funny character. Instead we get this after she's gone through hell.

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>>83680820
That's literally what I said, anocchi.

But honestly, anyone who talks openly about any political leaning of theirs is insufferable, no matter how moderate.

That shit's like religion, you don't talk about it outside your own congregation or a proper integrated community.

I don't know what your mommies taught you guys, but mine always told me to never reveal my political power level

>>83680871
>A pie to the face = hell

>>83680791
>not having Joyce lose her virginity to Jocelyn

>>83680928
I meant rather the prolonged harassment. Basically two bigger girls were tormenting her over her beliefs.
Just like GamerGate

>>83680928
Well to be fair
>Misgendering=Hate Crime

>>83680949
Wasn't she blackmailing one of them?

>>83680928
No, hell is having Carla spending god knows how long (seriously, Willis's pacing issues mean we have no idea how long it was) Carla was designing that machine right outside her dorm, right down to measuring her door and her own height.

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>>83679371
Willis has done this a couple times with Mary. You think Mary is making a quip or attempting a joke because it is so unbelievably unnatural in normal conversation, but Willis clearly does want to portray Mary as this horrible character. I actually chuckled at this strip until I found out Mary was probably being serious and not teasing.

>>83676612
>"The Straw Man
>>83676612
That's not a straw man.

Mary is her own character and isn't meant to represent anyone else. Not, she does not represent all christian, or Joyce's father, that mormon girl, that african girl who wear no shoes and all those other christians we have seen and Dorothy's parents would all behave like Mary.

>>83680980
Yeah, as a defence mechanism. Otherwise she would probably beat her again.

>>83681026
Then why not go to the higher authority she was threatening to go to instead of blackmailing Ruth? Seems kinda like she just likes having power over people.

>>83681013
if he wanted us to hate her maybe he shouldn't have made a strip of her telling off the two most irritating characters in the comic

>>83677431
>>83677365
>>83678460
>>83677612
>>83677431
It progresses the story in indicating that Rose no know her sister is here. It also establish more on the interaction between Rose and Mary.
There is also joke that Rose had put her phone in her Vageygey.

>>83679493
>So has he actually addressed why this isn't a valid complaint
Yes. he has. His whole point is that someone beig a jerk with you doesn't justify hate-speech.

>>83681069
this is going to happen forever and willis will never figure out that it's backfiring spectacularly

>>83679394
He is making a good point, here.

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>>83681069
But, anon, those people were of a lower stratum, and are therefore absolved of their own personal failings.

It's the lord's fault a peasant is an asshole, because if that peasant were the Lord, then maybe he wouldn't have to have been raised in an environment that fosters assholery.

That's the beautiful thing about whatifs, they can be used to exploit your point and can be ignored when not to your liking.

>What if that baby could have grown into the next Leonardo

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO...but

>What if that Syrian refugee's potential baby could have been the next Steve Jobs

>>83680987
From the rollerskating in the hallway to the Rube Goldberg is somewhere between 24 and 48 hours.

>>83681066
I'm sure Mary liking having power over people is supposed to be the implication, but since all she did was blackmail Ruth into doing her job correctly and letting Mary have a prayer session at the floor meetings it seems like Mary doesn't have any actual malice towards Ruth, or Carla for that matter.

Or she's just afraid that the violent and unstable woman who has already physically assaulted her would beat the shit out her if she did something that resulted in actual repercussions to Ruth.

>>83681118
See, at this point we're just arguing what words are more harmful than others. It's part of the problem I have with assigning "privilege" to people on an individual level.

Mary is a straight white woman of unknown wealth (let's split the baby and assume she's middle class). Carla is a transsexual woman who explicitly comes from a rich and famous family (or at least famous enough that Carla expects Mary to know who they are). Does being transsexual give less privilege than the wealth her family allows?

>>83680487
at least his strawman wasn't a fat balding white man for once

>>83681187
>physically assaulted her
She got slapped when she called Ruth a cunt.
I'd slap someone too if they called me a cunt.

>>83681013
In this case, it was obviously a snark.

>>83681207
Yes, because privilege theory is a tool of the wealthy and they will always exclude themselves from the equation no matter what else they are.

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>>83681207
Well, in the real world, wealth is the ultimate fulcrum, but in fantasy Willis world, she's more of an outcast because of her transism.

And I guess you could argue that that6 could be true, but, again, in Willis World, the environment clearly favors Carla, though that may be a failing of his as a writer, seeing as he sucks and is ass.

>>83681217
Even if you were being a total cunt?

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>>83681282
Total cunts are the most likely to smack someone.

>>83681353
Do total cunts legitimately not think they're cunts, or do they just not care?

>>83681282
>>83681353
Talk Shit, Get Hit.
It's one of the fundamental laws of our world.
I wouldn't advocate smacking people, but if you act like a douche chances are someone will smack you for it.

>>83681217
An understandable reaction, but one that could get you arrested. If Mary truly wanted to strike against Ruth she would have done it then, when she could have gotten Ruth on assault and sexual harassment. Everything points to Mary being either forgiving, apathetic, avoidant, or scared.

>>83681207
I've run both Carla and Mary through various privilege tests and Carla consistently comes out ahead.

>>83681146
Tone argument is a logical fallacy. The language and demeanor of an argument is irrelevant to the actual content of the argument. However, for some reason people interpret it as excusing asshole behavior.

>>83681393
Remember, this is the woman who made a point about she's allowed to get away with things like smacking someone so hard that it leaves an imprint of a marker drawing on her face or judo-throwing a bitch across a room because she, and I believe her words were "runs a tight ship".
Her Mary is basically pointing out "Yo, Ms. Head Bitch, time to do your job." and she shows no indication of doing anything about it.

That said, this is the same world where Bigotry is always "too far" yet apparently physical violence is totally okay.

>>83681372
The answer to that question would require the type of study that would get you smacked.

>>83681393
Mary only called Ruth incompetent before preparations for the smack began.

>>83681353
>"This thing is clearly bothering me."
>"Fuck you lol."
>"Tee-hee lemme just slap you with the thing clearly bothering you to prove a point xD"

Are we supposed to feel sympathy for he redhead? This is my first time in one of these threads and despite how cartoonishly evil she seems, this Mary chick barely seems like she's anything more than maybe a kinda stuff roomate to deal with. Why is she made out to be the bad guy, just cause she's religious?

Also that's considered assault and could get that R.A fired. This is meant to come off as a joking "haha take that" to the obvious strawman girl but it honestly just makes the redhead seem like an actual cunt.

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>>83681393
Talk shit get hit is own of those deliberately invalid sayings one reserves for grossly caricaturized scenes of catharsis, which this obviously, and explicitly, is, but hearing you purport it as fact is disturbing.

The only times you'll ever see it done truly is by the lowest of the mob, often followed by mass proclamations of, "WORLDSTAR."

>>83681470
I feel like I'm missing a key reference here.

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>>83681464
Here is the beginning of the most recent Mary arc. I don't think anyone has collected the RA getting told off in the subsequent strips, though.

>>83681264
Carla being rich but a complete outcast from her family and friends for transitioning would be a interesting characterization. Like her parents paying for everything is out of a sense of obligation and little more. But as she stands her admonishment of Ruth makes no sense as not only does she come from a loving and supportive family, she passes easily, and has only gotten a mild insult about her status in the strip itself.

>>83681464
Speaking of her as a roommate, apparently Roz (other chick in the OP picture, who once literally sabotaged her sister's US Senate seat by releasing a sex tape out of spite) made Mary sign some kind of binding form. I don't remember the specifics, and I don't want to look it up, less I actually give this comic hits, but I vaguely remember something to the effect of "not allowed to refer to God, period." or something to that effect. Given that Roz later fucked a random guy (to Mary) in their dorm, I can't imagine Mary got to set any conditions of her own in that contract.

>>83681489
Holy shit, I feel so bad for this girl. Like she's clearly trying to study only to be driven to aggression by that other loathsome cunt. She didnt even start off irrational either.

Like I get what's being aimed at here, "she called the trans chick a dude, that's bad :(" but. The setup doesn't work cause even if she was a cunt about it, she was still right about the intial incident? Like the two things aren't interconnected in the slightest, she said a shitty thing but the other girl was already breaking the rules and intentionally goading her. This is dumb.

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>>83681544
>not allowed to refer to God, period
According to the BadWebcomics Wiki, it was that she wasn't able to refer to her God as Male.

>>83681566
>This is dumb.
That's ableist speech!

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>>83681566
It's also bad because the offense was clearly not only in response to initial aggression, but so banal in nature.

It's not like she called her a tranny degenerate from the start, and while wrong, she only resorted to it as a last ditch method to get her to shut the fuck up for a goddamned second.

It's like if she were to call her ugly or make fun of a bad grade she got.

It's not like she was initiating anti-trans protests due to Carla being in the dorm in the first place. Even if she had anti-trans feelings. she was apparently fine with keeping them to herself as long as Carla wasn't hurting anyone.

As an added measure of retardation, note how the RA ignores all of Carla's shenanigans, but materializes instantly when Mary responds in kind.

It's actually like it's satire.

Willis has reached the Omega Level: he is the lefty Jack Chick

>>83681640
As far as we can tell, Mary hasn't told a soul about Carla being transgender or even threatened blackmail.

>>83681464
Ruth is a monster. She's a frighteningly, and unintentionally on Willis' part, realistic portrayal of an aggressive, violent, emotionally unstable person. She's a barely functional alcoholic. She's physically and emotionally abusive to her girlfriend, whose alcoholism and self-destructive tendencies Ruth enables, exploits, and encourages so that Ruth might feel better about her own alcoholism and self-destructive behaviors. She is textbook example of someone with severe borderline personality disorder. At best one might find her somewhat pitiable, but those moments are few and far between.

>>83681677
I would be surprised if Billie's life didn't substantially improve after Ruth broke up with her.

>>83681489
I just realized. A lot more would've been on Carla's side if it were framed with Carla as the main character in this bit and not Mary.

Not only does this arc start in Mary's room, Mary's face is in 22 panels. Carla is in 19, and that's counting bits where we only see her feet. And then continuing on, Carla only really comes up do do her revenge, all the drama is on Ruth and if her relationship with Billie is a problem. Ruth only has, what, two comics where she talks to Carla, and then they never intersect again in the arc?
It's no surprise people are on Mary's side, she's been in it more than anyone else in the arc.

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>>83681677
Ruth just needs some sorting.
She needs a guy who fucks the nonsense outta her head.
All she needs is to stop lingering in her self-pity and get a grip.

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>>83681674
Yeah, that's part of it too.

Mary, as far as we can tell, has completely no interest in making a fuss over Carla's gender, and only did anything about it once, when she was at her wits' end.

That is not how you want to make your tranny hating villain, Willis. You can naturally emphasis with Mary, even if you're not a tranny-basher, because who hasn't said stupid shit in the middle of an argument?

Who hasn't gone for the low hanging Fruit?

Who hasn't gone too far or have been gone to far against?

Willis is essentially asking us to take sides between an Asshole instigator who got her fee fees hurt and a normal, for fucking Willis, girl who said something retarded in the middle of a fight.

He is actually insane, and legitimately needs mental help, because he is delving deep into megalomania.

>>83681706
Are they planning on going on vacation together?

>>83681568
Why would a person that does not share your beliefs force their own vision on how to refer to your God on you?
And sorry for bringing the old tired argument, but imagine if the God in question was Allah.

>>83681851
If you want to get antsy about it, that God is Allah

>>83681851
>And sorry for bringing the old tired argument, but imagine if the God in question was Allah.

Have you never seen the Muslim Mary edits?

>>83681706
Somewhere in the Willis multiverse those two are unlikely friends despite a sometimes tumultuous roommate situation.

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>>83681851
I found the image I was looking for. I used adblock and searched the tags to give him as few hits as possible. This was back in the day where Roz was characterized as being too SJW for an SJW (shouting over the lesbian teacher in a gender studies course while also shouting at Joyce if she gets a pass for ignoring gay people's wishes, blind to the obvious irony).
Presumably the reason Roz hasn't had that characterization anymore is because that'd strike too close to #NotYourShield for his fans to appreciate.
Remember, he literally has fans that say that violence against women is fine if the woman is a bigot, so the hipocracy is already there.

>>83681706
This conversation makes it seem like they're friends with an antagonistic relationship.

>>83682222
>>83682386
What the heck?

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Mary has been in her room watching Pretty Cure since the incident with Carla.

>>83682814
I wonder what Mary's smut portfolio is full of.

>>83683110
I bet Mary draws better dicks than Joyce.

>>83683133
I bet Mary draws better dicks than Willis.

>>83683171
If Willis has any self-awareness if he ever shows us Mary's porn drawings he should get a guest artist who can do amazing looking dicks.

>>83683241
We should start a rumor that Willis needs guest artist submissions of dicks for Mary's art.

>>83683259
Just dicks or porn in general? Just dicks seems like something Mary would draw so she could claim they're anatomical studies rather than schlick bait.

When is this comic going to end?

>>83683271
Just dicks it is, then.

>>83683281
When Willis dies.

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>>83683110
Probably shitty anime style

>>83683281
It won't. Willis needs money to support his wife's twins and he's too much of an autist to get a better paying job.

>>83683297
Willis has done plenty of comics. I doubt this will be the last.

>>83683315
It's been going for years and about a month's time has passed, apparently. I don't think any of them will finish their university degrees by the time Willis croaks.

>>83683349
That's what timeskips are for.

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>>83683312

>>83683314
He's got a solidly middle class job.

>>83683286
On the other hand she's probably repressed as fuck and could have page after page of shit from romantic vanilla to fucked up fetish and fantasy.

>>83683349
>he thinks Willis plans for any of them to actually get degrees

Seriously, I don't think we've seen any of them attend a single class besides gender studies.

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>>83683360
Inuyasha romance novel covers.

>>83683360
>He's got a solidly middle class job.
He's making about $5,100 a month.

>>83683378
yeah. that's 60k per year, broadly considered to be squarely in the "middle class" bracket

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>>83683399
>it's now possible to make a middle class living from webcomics
Interesting...

>>83683399
The average cost of living in the USA is $5400 a month for a married couple with two children.

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Where's Patreon-anon?

>>83683465
Does Willis' wife work?

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>>83683505

>>83683454
SocJus is a bunch of trustfund babies willing to throw their parent's money at things that allow them to virtue signal.

So, yeah, it's quite possible.

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>>83683521
>It's Becky
Pretty much sums it up.

>>83683454
Not only that, you can drunkenly stab yourself with a pen and get even more money!

>>83683465
and your point would be...?

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>>83683539
Has anyone got that comic about Jeph Jacques where his hand has the Tumblr logo on it and it ends with him taking a chainsaw to it?

>>83683512
No idea. But that $5100 a month is just patreon, not ads or merch.

>>83683561
or kickstarter, yo

>>83683546
I assume his point was that Willis makes slightly less than the ACOL, which would put him below the middle class bracket. Unless >>83683512

>>83683546
Willis is making an above average living with webcomics.

>>83683573
i never disagreed with that. dude's outkicking his coverage on this one
>>83683571
the average cost of living is the middle point of the bell curve. lower middle class is considered anything 25-50k

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>>83683559

>>83676272
Devout Christian means she likely would've supported El Rato or Sleepy Ben.

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>>83683610
Thank you, anon.

>>83683546
His patreon alone covers all his family's expenses. He lives in Indiana, IIRC, which has a cost of living averaging 4% lower than the national average.

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>>83680756
Oh boy, another one of those jokes where unless you follow All-Spark or otherwise neck deep in forums and fandoms the reader isn't going to 'get it'.

>>83680815
It's super important that Willis establishes himself as one of The Good Ones to increase and maintain his internet cred. His Patreon flow depends on it.

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>>83676272
>Y'know, for a devout Christian, Mary is sure implied to be against the blatant Trump analogue.
Why would a devout Christian be for Trump?

Ignoring the fact that his language and policies are distinctly un-Christian, he himself is a tremendous sinner (gambling, adultery, conning) who has attempted to paint himself as "Evangelical".

He's even been dismissed by the Pope.

What does David Willis think about Gawker going bankrupt?

>>83677365
the fact we only read this shit for new porn

>>83680815

He got called out on flippantly mentioning if his female friends had penises in another thread and pathetically apologized to some trans posters for it.

>>83681217
Well then you're a violent and unstable fucking cunt.

>>83679493
Because there are appropriate responses and inappropriate responses anon. If someone is irritating you at Uni you:
>Ask them to stop
If that fails you:
>Report them to the RA
If that fails you:
>Report above the RA about the incident and the RA

You don't
>Destroy personal property
>Get all bigot-y at the person

But the point was NEVER Carla Did Nothing Wrong, it was "they're both being shits, but Mary crossed a line and is not (supposed to be) as interesting".

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>>83680769
I recall a story arc from the IW! days, where Joyce and Walky had their genders swapped. Walky immediately started talking about he was going to be the biggest lesbian ever, before realising that Joyce was now a very attractive man.
>>83681022
>Mary isn't a strawman for all Christians
>mfw
>>83681066
Because that would make sense, and Willis already had the plot fixed so that there could be only one conclusion - Mary being pied.

Why did Mary "destroy" Carla's skates with magic glue and say that vaguely transphobic thing? To make her the "obvious" bad guy, and bring her into conflict with Ruth.
Why did Mary blackmail Ruth, instead of just reporting her to the proper authorities? Because then Ruth has time to cover up all her wrongdoings, and maintain her position as a petty dictator.
Why did Ruth never really kowtow to Mary's blackmail? Because Mary can never win. Ever.
Why did Mary grab the box. Because otherwise, she wouldn't have gotten pied.
Why does Mary never cry after she is assaulted/humilated? Because whilst that would be a normal reaction to being slapped in the face for no damn reason, or being pied in the face as part of an elaborate prank, it would make her sympathetic. See also; her absurdly archaic language, and her current strip where she is being her usual snarky self (of course, she's the WRONG kind of snarky, so she must be punished).
>>83681217
>>83681393
She asked Ruth to do her job. Ruth, being in a position of actual authority, slapped Mary so hard that a drawing of a penis she'd drawn on her hand stayed on Mary's face. Also, Mary never actually FINISHED her insult - she could've been about to call Ruth a clod.
>>83681640
According to Willis, the reason Ruth teleported in like that was so that Carla wouldn't have to spend any time feeling bad that somebody said mean things to her.
>>83681400
I've done the same - Carla either has -400 privilege
>>83684408
>But the point was NEVER Carla Did Nothing Wrong
>mfw

>>83681489
I think a lot of people miss (because it's not spelled out for them in the comic itself which is a failing) that Carla is desperate for attention and models herself off of cartoons. This was just Hijinks Escalation for her and had Mary not gone for the low blow, could have resulted in an antagonistic friendship, at least in Carla's mind.

Alternatively, if Mary had gone through proper channels or ignored Carla for a few minutes during the initial incident, none of this would have happened.

>>83681928
How the fuck is "lame" even ableist.
I can't even think of an example of ableist speech other than "retarded"

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>>83684579
It's stated in the comic and by Carla that she was being a jerk.

Just because it was done badly and the comments there are as asinine as the folks here who unironically support Red Skull, doesn't change that it was two jerks being jerks and then one jerk crossed a line.

>>83683312
>tfw you're paying more attention to the awful word balloon placement at the bottom

>>83684630
It's because lame's proper definition is about physical disability. So it's equating general disability to something being vaguely bad.

Think of it how 4chan calls everything autistic.

>>83684579
*either has -400 privilege, is 74% priviled or has 125 privilege (where anything over 100 means "check it daily")
>>83684637
>using a comic where Carla responds with being called out on her shit with "I'm trans, so I shouldn't have to be nice, or feel bad about being a shit!" AND lays on a guilt trip out of fucking nowhere as "proof" that Carla was portrayed as being in the wrong
You also "forgot" the strip where Ruth and Carla are talking about how Mary used Carla's behaviour as an excuse to inflict blackmail... somehow.

One thing I don't get is why everyone here is so up in arms about Mary getting a pie to the face and being told off by someone she was having a back and forth beef with when she was physically assaulted by Ruth for asking her to do her damn job.

Then I remember most of you don't read the comic and just come for the hate circle jerk,

>>83684735
But Anon, the Midwestern Christian girl probably would've called the abusive drunk lesbian a cunt! That totally justifies physical assault and public humilation!

>>83684666
>lame's proper definition is about physical disability
Do people even use that definition anymore ? It's like that comic were balck princess told a knight he was racist for calling her "fair" because the word originally meant "white". If the usage of a word evolve ypu can't just bring back outdated definitions, that's retarded

>>83684720
You're intentionally misreading the comic. She's saying that being trans DOESN'T mean she has to be some kind of role model. Think of how in QC Claire can do NO WRONG.

Carla is and always has been a jerk character, she embraces that. Ruta was arguing that, being trans, she shouldn't be annoying someone and Carla says "Nah" because she likes being an annoying shit.

Also Mary was blackmailing RUTH, not Carla, for not doing her job/letting people sneak in and live on campus illegally/fucking a student when she's a RA.

I'm not saying it was done well, it wasn't, I'm just stating what the intent was.

>>83684781
The fair thing was also a double entendre because her situation wasn't fair.

Your post is hilariously ironic in the sense that irony has come to mean and not it's actual definition.

>>83681489
Isn't the problem here being that everybody is cunts?

>>83684666
What is this, the 19th century?

>>83684867
That's actually the primary problem for pretty much every situation in this comic and in the real world:
Everyone is cunts and no one wants to behave responsibly because it would mean giving up the privileges one gains in being a cunt.

>>83684821
Carla responds to being called out on her shit by going "Well, everyone ELSE gets to be a jerk", because tu cocque is a totally rational argument, then bring up her transness as a convenient out. And AGAIN, you're ignoring the next conversation Ruth and Carla had, where all the blame was placed on Mary, because Willis had to double down on his idiotic plot to show all those mean bigots who think dorms are for studying.

>>83684932
I think we're at an impasse, you're arguing that it wasn't done at all and I'm arguing that it was done badly. Nothing more can happen in this discussion without one of us giving up on our base idea.

>>83685018
... Fair enough.

>>83684932
>tu cocque is a totally rational argument

I thought tu cocque was when you tell somebody to go suck a couple dicks.

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>>83684735
We can be mad at both, but the slap happened ages ago and >>83681489 was fairly recent. The latter incident is when I started following these threads.

>>83684589
If Carla was just escalating hijinx, she would have done a counter prank after her skates were hot glued instead of jumping up and down in the hallway and demanding compensation.

Has Robin's party been revealed? I imagine for a Hispanic woman to win in Indiana, she'd have to be a Republican. But Mary's hatred implies she's a Democrat...or that might just be because she's Catholic. (I get the impression that with the growing threat of secularism the Catholics and Evangelicals find themselves in an uneasy alliance and all that "whore of Babylon" stuff is water under the bridge. But what do I know, I'm an atheist Jew.)

>>83683892
Trump is nominally Presbyterian, which isn't considered evangelical, I don't think.

>>83685310
I don't think she was demanding money, she was just being more annoying.

>I annoy you with my skating
>You wreck my skates
>I annoy you more with my wrecked skates

Remember when this comic literally juxtapositioned sex with Walky and Dorothy while Amber was beating her father half to death?

That was so fucking odd.

>>83684589
>Alternatively, if Mary had gone through proper channels or ignored Carla for a few minutes during the initial incident, none of this would have happened.
Or Carla could've followed the rules of the dorm by not skating, responded reasonably to a request to stop, responded reasonably to the statement that skating is against the rules, responded reasonably to Mary physically impeding her while reading. Also Ruth could've been enforcing the rules

There's a ton of other things that could've happened by several parties before Mary resorted to misgendering. That's because her transphobia only manifested as a 6th or 7th resort, and before that her actions didn't show any malice towards Carla. It's hate-speech that is unlinked from the source, which is a complete disdain for the person and the identity they espouse. Mary didn't show any of that. And it's even worse, because she takes any excuse to insult someone for any reason.

>>83685517
Then again, if everyone behaved properly, we wouldn't have a story. And if the story was told well, we wouldn't have this lovely hate circle jerk every day.

>>83685362
>Trump is nominally Presbyterian, which isn't considered evangelical, I don't think.
Didn't stop him from calling himself Evangelical.

He's just the least Christian candidate I could think of in recent times, and that's with a Jewish man having recently run on the Democratic side.

>>83685362
The thing about Hispanics/Latinos is that generally their customs and values are more in line with American Conservatism (family-centric, Christian, etc.); the Democrats' promises for open borders and no deportations appeal to them on a pragmatic basis. Likewise, Liberals don't care about Hispanics or Latinos beyond getting votes out of them, especially not after the Zimmerman debacle.

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>>83685479
Almost like Amber links her violent and sexual tendencies to her powerful and confident Amazi-Girl persona.

Given Amber's need to 'compartmentalize' her issues and angst, I'm starting to thing Amazi-Girl has decided to compartmentalize Amber into a box so she can do whatever she wants unchallenged.

>>83685545
Hatred is the best lubricant.

>>83685689
>>83685710
These posts work terrifyingly well together.

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>>83685689
*starting to think

Also, since DoA's not moving beyond Freshman year, Amber never has to get over any of her baggage, unlike with her SP incarnation.

>>83680387
So, wait... the scruffy faggot is the villain, here? Maybe I'm missing the context because it looks like he's behaving in a perfectly reasonable fashion while Ethan is self-destructing.

>>83685906
He'd been getting on Ethan's case over his hobby for a while now. So yes, Ethan is blowing up here because he hadn't been saying that his BF's comments were bothering him until it was REALLY bothering him.

The lesson, talk to your romantic/sexual partners whenever there is an issue lest it become a THING. If talking leads to it being a THING it was always a THING and you're going to have to deal with it anyway.

In this case it was, scruffy doesn't like Ethan's toy collecting and wants him to stop while Ethan doesn't want to stop and doesn't get what the big deal is, thus leading to an ultimately incompatible relationship.

It would be hilarious if a future Transformers comic featured Willis in a cameo appearance as a caricaturized super-fan of Transformers or some other toy line who lets his obsession precede his home life.

>And with us today on Channel 8 is super-fan David Willis, here to talk about The Inhumanoids.
>First of all, don't call me a "super-fan". I am a "connoisseur". Secondly, let me admit that there is nothing more important in my life than The Inhumanoids.
>Don't you have a wife and children, Mr. Willis?
>They're not Inhumanoids, so I don't bother.

Or something along those lines.

>>83686610
Sounds like comic-Willis would be the High Priest of the Church of the Inhumanoids.

>>83686738
I just want something so cartoonish and slanderous that Willis would have no choice but to literally shit himself and throw an otaku-level hissy-fit by destroying his Transformers toys and taking a hatchet to the server that hosts TFWiki.com.

>>83686862
I think there was this anecdote that he's actually known to IDW staff and mocked by them.

>>83679493
You've clearly never lived in a major university dorm if you think "EVERYONE BE QUIET SO I CAN STUDY" isn't a cunt thing to request.

Answer me honestly, /co/, Willis can't possibly be this tone dead, can be? All of his villains are reasonable people who only want reasonable things and his protagonists are all defective, unlikable assholes. It's gotta be intentional, gotn't it?

>>83686924
Lots of first-generation webcomic types have broken into "real" comics. Willis hasn't. Wonder why that is.

>>83687012
Except she politely asked ONE person to stop being a major disruption. I'm not familiar with the campus layout of the university shown in DoA, but I'm going to stick my neck out and say there are probably other places to skate around in that place then the corridors of a goddamn dormitory.

>>83683531
Every time Patreanon doesn't show up, I just content myself with the thought that it is probably a Becky comic.

>>83687157
None of which justifies hate crimes.

>>83687449
Darn it, and I've already posted that Bender gif...

>>83687449

Way to set the bar low for what constitutes a hate crime.

>>83687636
The issue is that Willis intended Mary's misgendering to be crossing the moral event horizon. It would be like if it was Jacob being annoying and Mary called him a nigger or told him to go to the zoo. Of course, people here would probably still be on Mary's side in that case.

>>83687776
>The issue is that Willis intended Mary's misgendering to be crossing the moral event horizon

And the best he could come up with was "I'm taking you to the boy's dorm" ?

That's it?

She could have called her a split dicked freak or a silly man in a dress or talked about how likely it is that Carla will eat a bullet before he turns 30.

>>83683892
honestly i would have expected it only because supporting Trump is what "bad people do" and Mary is "the bad guy" so she would support Trump as an example of what a terrible person she is, regardless of how little sense that may make. or maybe she agreeds with Robin politically, she just hates her because she's Mexican. i bet that's what it's going to be

>>83687982

She's Mexican?

>>83688011
Latina of unknown national ancestry (unless Willis mentioned it while I wasn't paying attention). She must be a citizen (since non-citizens can't vote or run for office, documented or no), so Puerto Rican most likely.

>>83687982
>she just hates her because she's Mexican.

This would be consistent. In opposition to >>83685517 " It's hate-speech that is unlinked from the source, which is a complete disdain for the person and the identity they espouse." Mary has called all the DeSantos "monsters," refused to stay in the same room with Riley, Roz's elementary or middle school aged sister, and angrily stared at her in silence when Riley nicely asked Mary about cereal or summat. It would explain why she doesn't like Robin even though her views are supposed to appeal to the right-wing, Christian constituents of Indiana.

>>83687449
>ignore a rule violation and disturbance for a significant amount of time
>attempt peaceful resolution twice
remember, it was only Carla hitting the fucked up carpet in front of her door that made the noise
>when problem escalates, Mary leaves
>being vindictively followed
I really like when "hate" crime is used in this case. Because Mary didn't even say anything offensive until she was being chased down and harassed by Carla. Carla was the one who was going out of her way to be a dick to someone.

Also why would someone skate on carpet?

>>83680595

He...he has kids?

>>83689464
Yup.

>>83689464
Twins

>>83689464
Infants

>>83681217

Ruth's an RA. Even if she wasn't an unreliable drunk who played favorites and practiced selective deafness so she doesn't have to help students she doesn't like, and sleeping with one of the students she's responsible for, she really ought to lose her job when she resorts to physical violence because a student annoyed her.

You'd get in trouble on any sane dorm floor if you did something like that no matter what the other person called you. If the fucking AUTHORITY FIGURE on that floor is the one doing it, something is deeply, deeply wrong.

>>83684408

This is true, but on the other hand, it's ALMOST like Mary has a very good reason not to trust Ruth to do shit to help for some reason.

Still doesn't justify getting bigoty, but I still feel like none of this shit would have happened if Ruth wasn't so goddamned terrible at her job.

Also, as someone pointed out earlier, if Carla had not been skating around fast enough to potentially be a danger to anyone leaving their room unexpectedly it would have been very easy for her to avoid a glue trap.

>>83684637

Want to kick her in the teeth.

>>83689532
>>83689635
>>83689644

Has anyone attempted to rescue them?

>>83689946
Every attempt has ended in failure. His home is guarded by a platoon of special social justice forces led by Commander Cerberus.

>>83689946
Don't worry. He will raise his kids to understand that all parents are monsters and should be executed.

>>83689708
The thing about Mary's "bigotry" is that from a reader's perspective, it didn't come off as bigotry at all. There was never any indication before that point that Carla was transsexual, much less any indication that Mary knew about it. Physical clues were hampered by Willis' artistic skills, implications were more or less passed off as elements of Carla's impulsive and loud-mouthed personality, and unless there was some Patreon strip that's never been leaked until now, Mary and Carla never once had any interaction before the scene where Carla was skating up and down the halls.

Mary's comment that Carla "belonged" in the boy's wing of the dorm came off more to readers as an insult at Carla's tomboyish nature, that she was less of a traditional female and more of a childish male in spirit. If anything, it was Ruth who forcibly outed Carla to Mary by assuming that Mary was directly attacking Carla's transsexual choices, which I can only conclude is just another example of how Ruth is a horrible R.A. and an even worse person.

>>83690423
yeah. If you don't know Carla is a tranny, then Ruth comes off as utterly insane for attacking Mary when Carla has been harassing her the entire time.

>>83679629

Not Buckley, you rube.

>>83690423
>>83690643
IIRC, panel three of this page >>83684637 , is the only time Carla's trans status has ever been stated. If I edit a sentence and the entire story arc stops making sense then you have a poorly written story.

>>83690144
We just need to get Cerberus on a soapbox and sneak in while the lecture is underway.

>>83684589
>I think a lot of people miss (because it's not spelled out for them in the comic itself which is a failing) that Carla is desperate for attention and models herself off of cartoons. This was just Hijinks Escalation for her
Carla being mentally ill does not help my estimation of her, anon.

>>83690929
That's a good point.
Y'know, this also implies that Ruth knew of Carla's transsexuality before this point, which I don't think we've ever investigated. Does anybody know if Carla ever came out to Ruth about it in the past?

>>83691121
"mentally ill" is a transphobic/ableist slur. Check your privilege, shitlord! :^)

>>83681928
>My project's crippled by its lack of budget
>I can't help but feel dwarfed by the work we need
>Frankly, I think it was a lame duck from the beginning
>And the manager is so dumb
>It's like the blind leading the blind
>They really need to give us a handicap
ABLEIST ABLEIST ABLEIST

>>83681118
The problem with that is that targeting someone with speech that mocks them over their religion is hate speech as well. And Carla used such speech in her monologue after the pie thing.

tumblranon here

>>83679394
>>83681706
>>83681977
>>83682386

are all posted. Reminder that doa-edits.tumblr.com is still taking submissions!

>>83691148
I imagine she'd have to know about it, for safeguarding or some shit.

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>>83689946
They'll become crusaders just like him for whatever cause is hot then, like cyborg rights, and Dave will have to realize he's now the enemy for being an old-school fleshie.

Actually, I've wondered what Mrs Willis thinks of all this nonsense. She's fairly internet silent, and I get the feeling it's because she really doesn't want to be Dave's shield.

>>83691148
Keep in mind they've only been on campus for about four weeks. I think so far Carla has only associated with Sal's group.

>>83684666
>It's because lame's proper definition is about physical disability.

granted i'm not a native english speaker but i only know about this because there were lame horses in mount & blade

>>83677365

Mary thinks highly of herself

>>83679450
Jesus CHRIST what the fuck kind of vaseline filter did you put on that picture to make Dan Ryckert look somehow even more monstrous?!

>>83690929
iirc there was also a comic strip where carla says she has a dick when someone was drawing dicks on the boards

and whatsherface tried to force carla back to the boy's dorm

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>>83681797


I MADE AN EDIT

>>83679760

>"Call of shooty"

Like you're better than CoD, mr Transformers

>>83692045
oh please,transformers is WAY better!

I mean come on, transformers has ONE female character!

>>83691877
That's the implication I was referring to in >>83690423. Other than that mention, which was passed off as a set-up to a punchline only moments later, there are no overt references or revelations of Carla being transsexual.

It's like skipping the climactic reveal of Darth Vader being Luke's father in "The Empire Strikes Back". It spurns the plot from that point forward and into "Return of the Jedi", but without it everybody seems privy to information that was never made clear in the first place.

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>>83691402
>cyborg rights
I genuinely can't wait to tell people they're being transhumanphobic and oppressing a minority when the poorfags who can't afford to upgrade start calling cyborgs out on their augmentation privilege. While we gradually take over society and make them obsolete. I wonder, is this how it feels to be Jewish?

>>83689020
Yeah, the fact that Carla chose to follow her is what gets me. She literally could have avoided Mary's vaguely transphobic comment if she didn't follow her. She could have walked away, but she followed her and had to ask her twice before Mary would tell her where they were going.

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>>83692163
One must upgrade themselves to survive and compete. My new laser eyes can see data and burn holes through shit!

>>83692163
http://io9.gizmodo.com/5926587/what-may-be-the-worlds-first-cybernetic-hate-crime-unfolds-in-french-mcdonalds

>>83691917

Posted!

t. tumblranon

>>83691453
I would assume that Ruth has a brief version of everyone's files that tell her various issues to keep an eye on, like Billie's alcoholism. But we all know how well that went.

>>83679493

Plebcomics adressed it

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>>83687636
The bar's already pretty low for hate crimes, dependent on where you live.

My county is pretty damn conservative (although granted, we're a west-coast state, so take that as you will) and the police were jumping at the chance to classify someone writing 'Jewed' in my car window's grime as a hate crime.

>>83693238
Are you a dirty jew, anon? If not, I have no reason why they'd write that

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>>83692163
It's gonna be way worse than that, friendo.

Not only will the gap between haves and have-nots spread even further, it will get more complicated and near impossible to classify someone as the definitive 'Other.' What happens to a kid who gets augmented by their parents, against their will? What happens if you don't actually *own* your augments, but lease them? Who owns the metadata on your very pale flesh?

Identity will expand and pluralize, by way of reality, but that same expansion will precipitate an aggressive, reactionary collapsing of every possible indicator or identifying component into very simplistic classifications.

It is a future that we're not prepared to handle. The human mind can barely handle late-consumerism or postmodernity. How will we fare when we face those things' logical endpoints - endpoints that are in fact, infinite lines with no clear terminus?

>>83693276
Half-Jewish, but I'm literally the palest motherfucker for miles and pretty much just Irish. I don't hide it from people I know, but I don't, say, CONFRONT someone and tell them all about my family history. Shit was weird - dumb, but weird. The only people who could've done it were other jews I went to school with.

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>>83687636
It's not any kind of crime in the first place.

Saying that calling a male female a boy is a crime is edging into Goddamned Thought Crime territory

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>>83693458
It's going to be fucking horrifying, but I'm going to sit back, light a cigar and enjoy every minute of it.

Dancing in the ruins of a fucked up decadent society with a grin a mile wide on your face laughing at the absurdity of it all, while everyone else is crying and screaming at each other is the only way to go.

>>83693644

That's pretty edgy, but I don't entirely disagree. Think of Ivan Denisovich or Camus's Sisyphus. In the face of such coming horrors, we must be able to find some degree of joy, or otherwise we simply will not survive.

>>83693758
>That's pretty edgy
Not really, I'm not claiming to enjoy other people's suffering, I just think they largely bring it on themselves in no small part by caring too much and putting far too much emphasis on what other people are thinking or doing. Personally, I've made the decision to stop caring what other people think or do and just concentrate on thinking and doing what I want to do. Why let the words or actions of others have such influence on your life?

>>83693884
Public opinion can be good if it's warranted and helps the individual.

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>>83687044
Willis is an authoritarian fundamentalist, he's just shifted from right wing to left wing. Authoritarian fundamentalism doesn't really allow for nuance like that. He's completely serious, but his black and white viewpoint, mixed with him trying to ape what he sees in the real world, makes it really confusing to an outsider. Basically, he sees what most people would see as rational, reasonable, and relatable people and he's arbitrarily divided them into 100% 'good' or 'evil' according to his unbending authoritarian values. So when he puts copies of those people into his story he's intending them to be obviously and unquestionably evil. And then he gets mad when other people point out that they don't actually seem that bad.

In a previous thread someone compared it to Chuck Asay. Chuck has arbitrarily decided that gay people are so evil and disgusting that he didn't even feel the need to clarify this comic, he just put a straight couple and a gay couple side by side and assumed the reader would instantly know that he was trying to make a point that the gay couple is terrible because in his mind there is no question that gay people are always terrible.

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>>83694236
The twelve points of right wing authoritarianism, by the guy who literally wrote the book on it (Bob Altemeyer). It's astounding how he did his research on an entirely different class of people, the conservative fundies who were big in the political world a decade or two ago, and yet eleven out of twelve points fit David Willis down to a fucking T (and 5 maybe fits, just with different outgroups). It's like he was doing a case study on him specifically.

>>83694236
>>83694536
The moral of the story? It's not the left or the right who are the problem, it's authoritarians on both sides who want to force other people to live by their beliefs.

Man I miss the Ron Paul 4chan in this age of /pol/ and SJWs.

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>>83694620

>implying authoritarians are the problem

>>83692461
What the fuck? What possesses someone to do that? We're not even in the age of transhumanism yet, it's not like there's a privilege thing or rich vs. poor or anything to freak out over yet, it's just a dude with an unusual fake eye. What is there even to sperg out about? Do people chimp out if you wear a glass eyeball and start assaulting you too? What the fuck.

>>83695081
I guess they just assumed that it was detachable... but there's certainly no reason to rip up a doctor's note. I guess les cons were pissed off that their own petty authority was thwarted by facts.

>>83695081
Maybe they were illegals and thought he was working for immigration.

>>83694620
Perhaps one day Left and Right can combine their efforts to become less douche.

>>83695081
It's really surreal that they'd wig out like that. It'd be like if someone saw an ex-soldier with a prosthetic arm and started yelling "CYBORG!" like he was about to level the building with a punch.

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>>83695081
Actually, I know some businesses freak right out if people try to film and record stuff. Wal-Mart has a policy like that, but I'm not sure how businesses enforce it now that basically every phone has a camera now.

>>83696198
It exists and it's called libertarianism. Leftists are free to be whatever kind of special snowflake faggot identity they like and smoke pot, rightists are free to spend their money however they like and not be forced to pay for things they don't agree with.

Right wing authoritarians don't like it because it means the law isn't being used to oppress the faggots and enforce their morality, left wing authoritarians don't like it because the law isn't being used to force others to give them money and stop people hurting their feelings.

4chan used to like libertarianism, before the left wing authoritarians started assaulting all the things people here like (anime, video games, comics). Now it's become largely right wing authoritarian as a reaction. I honestly think that change in atmosphere is what disillusioned moot with the site and made him decide to sell up.

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>>83676272
kek
Mary is such a weirdo.

>>83692613
That'd be a privacy violation on the part of the university. You're not required to disclose medical information and even if you did it would be a pretty massive HIPAA violation unless Ruth having that information was specifically permitted by the student.

Carla's status as being trans would realistically only be know to admissions, they had to process all her legal documents, and to residency administration. If she's had all her legal documents changed to match her gender identity it's possible that the university itself isn't aware she's trans.

>>83694536
One of the criticisms of Altemeyer is that his checklist of right-wing authoritarianism only has No. 5 and 10 as anything coming close to being specifically right-wing and elements of both of those can be found in left-wing authoritarianism.

Here's an interesting article about fundamentalism and tribalism from the left-wing about the left-wing: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/

>>83697028
Wait, you can change your legal documents after a sex change in the US ?

>>83697099
I did, so it's possible.

>>83696396
No dedicated recording equipment and no recording of store functions, store employees, and other customers is Dollar General's basic policy.

>>83696711
Libertarianism and the Libertarian Party are two different things, with the Libertarian Party being massively an-cap and nightwatchman state oriented.

>>83696711
There was a short-lived webcomic, by a handful of IW! forum members, in which a character based on the future Mrs. David Willis claimed to be a libertarian.

It's gone down the memory hole now. One of the co-authors was a Republican and I imagine he's persona non grata with the Willis family now.

>>83697028
I keep expecting Scott to come out as a conservative. Almost nobody stays heterodox on the internet left for that long. I've somehow managed.

>>83694536

>the conservative fundies who were big in the political world

Go read about Barry Goldwater and realize how similar things are to Bernie

>>83697270

What's interesting is how many enemies Scott has made- I know Arthur Chu hates his guts, and I think Barry Deustch resents him too. I'd imagine Willis would hate the FUCK out of him if he knew SSC existed or could get past how many big words he used.

>>83697160
>an-cap
It depends if you think anarcho-capitalism is intrinsically right wing. I don't believe it is. Consider that under anarcho-capitalism, failed businesses fail. Even if they're "too big to fail" banks. There would have been a even bigger economic crash in 2008 if we lived under anarcho-capitalism, but it would also have rebalanced the economy to the detriment of the rich and the benefit of the poor because there'd have been no bailouts. The price of housing would have tumbled even further, making poor people's living costs lower and rich people's investments worthless, which is of course why the crony capitalist system didn't allow it.

>>83697028
>If she's had all her legal documents changed to match her gender identity it's possible that the university itself isn't aware she's trans.
One of the markers that she's trans is that she has a single room, I think the university knows and they accommodated her.

>>83697028
>Carla's status as being trans would realistically only be know to admissions, they had to process all her legal documents, and to residency administration. If she's had all her legal documents changed to match her gender identity it's possible that the university itself isn't aware she's trans.
Then how would Mary know? Clearly it's an open secret which implies she still looks like a man.

>>83697454
An-cap is anarchistic and thus can fall under either the left- or right-wing depending on implementation. The problem with critiquing the 2008 economic crash from an anarcho-capitalist perspective is that market self-correcting mechanisms swing from one extreme to the other, can take years if not decades to fully balance, and are completely removed from the human condition. Not to mention that under a pure an-cap system our economy would have been gutted by imports and foreign buyouts after the crash.

I just wanted to talk about the comic but then you have all this long and pointless discussion derailing our beautiful thread.

Has anyone argued that Carla is wrong because she resorted to violence? And violence is always wrong. or would he say "no violence is justified here"?

>>83697822
>Wanting to talk about DoA
What's to say, it's shit and we all know it's shit. These threads are just shitposting generals, why do you think they're always here?

>>83697454

>an-cap isn't right wing

sounds like someone needs to read some more Moldbug and Hoppe.

>>83697856

It's a pointless endeavor- in Willis and his friends's eyes, Mary misgendering Carla is violent in of itself. Plus, calling a pie to the face "violent" is pretty questionable.

>>83697558
Having a single room isn't exclusively a marker that she's trans. It's also a marker that her parents are loaded, she's an asshole who drives away roommates, or that there was a vacancy in residents. Back in college a guy on my floor had a private room because of his allergies. All of the "markers" Willis used were mitigated by having several other reasonable explanations. Namely Carla being an asshole.

>>83697748
I prefer the idea that Mary knew and had feelings for Carla before the transition.

Also, "looks like a man" isn't a good indicator of whether or not a person is trans.

>>83697822
Most stuff since November of last year gets covered as it updates. You want discussion when there hasn't been an interesting update then talk about stuff before Toedad, start theorizing where Willis is going to go, give a headcanon, build an AU, or do an edit.

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>>83694620
Ron Paul was weak, Ron Paul was a fool

Embrace our savior and destroyer.

November will be historic not only for the nation but for the site wide party that /pol/ will throw whether you are willing or not.

>>83697960
Carla's behavior is still reckless. She apparently calculated everything exactly, but there was still an element of randomness via Mary; she could have simply closed the door, she could have held the box closer or further from her face than calculated, she could have tried to halt the Rube Goldberg machine herself, etc.

Everything goes accordingly because of Willis-God.

>>83696711
Watching the Libertarian Party debate was one of the most cringe worthy events one could take part in this decade.

They had a guy who was booed for saying he would not allow Entrepreneurs to sell heroin to children.

>>83681489
So, I'd long given up on Willis by the time this happened, and only looked in for eyerolling and mocking his craziness. But when this happened, did anyone else just kind of not grasp that it was supposed to be some kind of stupid hatespeech lightning bolt?

I seriously assumed that Mary was just being a dick, and telling Carla to be a noisy, disruptive asshole with the other noisy, disruptive assholes (boys).

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>>83698212
The libertarian party is different from libertarian beliefs, which mean to stand in opposition to authoritarianism. I'm a very strong libertarian on the authoritarian/libertarian scale and I think the libertarian party is fucking nuts.

Why does Willis even make this comic public if he doesn't allow anything that doesn't reconciliate with his hugebox?

>>83698351
I get second hand embarrassment watching the party with my name act so fucking against what I believe.

We just have to stand clear as the reactionary right brutally murders the left for it's terrible crimes and hope there is enough still standing to give a libertarian reconciliation.

>>83698450
I'm kind of waiting for him to just close off comments outright, like what other comics or online personalities have done. It'd basically make his fanbase even more insular when they can only go through twitter or tumblr to reach him.

>>83698175
>instead of grabbing the box, Mary tries to run past Carla
>bumping into the box, it activates at an improper angle, causing the pie to fall off and the spring mechanism to stab Mary in the eye
>stumbling back, Mary destroys several thousand dollars of equipment Carla "borrowed" from her parent's company
>Mary's parents sue Carla and the school, Carla's parents spend millions so the school with sweep everything under the rug
>Mary rally's her megachurch to her defense, forcing a public settlement from the school and Carla's parents
>Carla is expelled and finds herself persona non grata with her parents as their reputation in the engineering field took a big hit from the negative publicity
>is forced to sell of her Ultracar memorabilia to make ends meet as she gets herself back on her feet
>Mary buys all of it and uses it in mixed media art pieces

>>83698134
Don't get me wrong, I actually love the fact the guy is there and in the race even if I don't agree with him - He deserves the /pol/ and indeed the 4chan crown just for being the greatest troll of the political establishment in modern history, but you have to be pretty deluded to honestly believe he's going to win. That same establishment isn't going to let him, because not only is all the big money behind Hillary but it's the swing-vote moderates you need in order to win an election, and they are very unlikely to back radical Trump over status-quo Hillary.

There are two possible outcomes in the unlikely event of a Trump victory - He calms his tone, tows the establishment line an disappoints his supporters (much like Obama) or he gets JFK'd. It would be very easy to set up the latter given how many people on the far left are out for his blood. In fact part of me wonders if they will let him win in order to install a third, entirely unelected leader. Watch for that VP pick, I think that will tell us the answer.

>>83698811
Trump is showing a lead on Clinton in independent voters. Gary Johnson is showing a lead on Clinton in independent voters.

Personally I'm hoping for Jim Webb as a VP pick.