Did he do anything wrong? Do superpowered individuals have an

>>83631214
No and no.

They absolutely do not. Though maybe he could have announced something so people could prepare.

>>83631240
/thread
Just because you have powers doesn't mean you have to do a damn thing with them and it's complete bullshit if anyone tells you it's your responsibility to do so (sorry uncle Ben)

>>83631214
Totally didn't do anything wrong. If he wants to chill then he's well within his right to do so.

>>83631283
If he had announced his retirement instead of faking his own death, would it have worked?

>>83631214
He did nothing wrong,megamind fucked up by creating his own hero to play with

With great privilege comes great accountability.

>>83631214
Allowing Megamind to conquer the city was kind of a dick move even if he did end up being a pretty chill dictator. He was absolutely right to leave him to clean up Jonah Hill on his own though.

>Do superpowered individuals have an obligation to save the world?

Unless they can just fuck off to another galaxy, then yes they kind of do. It's their planet too.

>>83631291
No.
People would have thrown a lot of shit his way, because they had got to a point where they couldn't imagine their lives without Not-Superman there to always save the day

>>83631291
No, man, people'd go CRAZY.

>>83631291
no because then people lose faith in him and the next hero to come along wouldn't be trusted

>>83631214
Given that there's only one other major villain apart from Megamind in this setting, yes, he did do wrong.

>>83631214
>Did he do anything wrong?
Kinda, he left the city to MM for a while but he did know that MM would become the good guy

>Do superpowered individuals have an obligation to save the world?
not really, it would be nice to get their help every once in awhile

>>83631291
>>83631348
>>83631340
>>83631338
Don't announce it or anything. Just gradually get lazier and lazier so people start having to clean up their own messes.

>>83631262
And announce to every villain that their rival is retiring? Smart

>>83631437
Kill all the villains before you go.

I see. So the general consensus seems to be that "with great power comes great responsibility" is total nonsense.

Well, it's no big surprise that 4chan is filled with potential supervillains.

>>83631240
Thanks OP I forgot how actually good this movie is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FbB5yZipPA

I think on some level he knew that Megamind was never really evil and just being a villain for personal reasons, and that he would never be able to see the error of his ways until he finally "defeated" Metro Man.

>>83631573
>I think on some level he knew that Megamind was never really evil and just being a villain for personal reasons, and that he would never be able to see the error of his ways until he finally "defeated" Metro Man.
Has superman tried this with Lex?

>>83631531
There is no moral responsability to do anything with the power.
It is morally wrong to do evil acts with them because the acts themselves are evil, but inaction is not really evil.

Sure you are a dick, but it's not morally evil.Plus the average person isn't even to be trusted handling their own lives, if they had super powers should they really necessarily try to do justice?

>>83631531
>not conforming to the will of others makes you bad

Dude, he fulfilled his responsibility his whole life, retired, and left his role to someone trustworthy. Metro Man really didn't do anything wrong.

>>83631531
Not being a public servant isn't the same as being a superhero.

>>83631598
No because Megamind was never really a bad guy but Lex really is evil.

>>83631276
You misunderstand what Uncle Ben meant. He wasnt telling people to go save the damn world, he was telling him, if he's in a situation where his powers could be used, that's when he's obliged to use them. Like for example, if he's at a cinema, and a hostage-taking suddenly happens.

It's all Peter's choice that he went several steps further and became fucking Spiderman and started patrolling the city.

>>83631628
>isn't the same as being a supervillain.

>>83631214
yes.
Toying with the emotions of your friends is super shitty.

"Duty to rescue" is also Law and a concept in many places.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue
now, there is no general requirement for a stranger to rescue a stranger.

But there are some issues where liability does come into play. if you cause a hazardous situation. etc..

as a formally recognized and rewarded "superhero", he is essentially an expected rescue worker. Yes, he is liable for suddenly "not" doing that job.

Imagine all the volunteer fire workers in your town or county, just decided to quit, one day, all at once. Leaving your town completely void of a fire crew. Then they sat around and watched the town burn.
yeah. They would liable.

>>83631598
Kinda. There have been times where everyone thought superman was gone for good but he's been chillin' as Kent.

>>83631214
>Do superpowered individuals have an obligation to save the world?

No. Is not saving people when you have the ability and opportunity to a douchebag move? Yes.

No and No, but at the same time, c'mon son. Like if you hear a woman being raped like a mile away and it won't even take a second of your time, then y'know help a bitch out.

>>83631598
>Has superman tried this with Lex?
Sorta, and surprise, surprise Lex didn't do any of the shit he talked about doing if Kal was gone.

>>83631276
>>83631638

>fucking normies don't evne knowthat in the original source Ben didn't say shit, it was a caption at the end of ASM#1

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>83631673
Why would you help rape her? The heck is wrong with you!?

>>83631214
>Did he do anything wrong? Do superpowered individuals have an obligation to save the world?
No but you do have an obligation to rule it

From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs

>>83631598
Kinda how things worked out in Red Son, Kal let Lex think he won.

How was Megamind so good? It had no right to be

>>83631322
>Allowing Megamind to conquer the city was kind of a dick move even if he did end up being a pretty chill dictator.

Music Man knew that Megamind wasn't really a bad guy. He was leaving the city in safe hands

>>83631400
Then people will start blaming him for the rising crime rates. You just can't win.

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>>83631214
Superpowered individual have the same right and obligation as everyone else to strive for what they believe in, the reach of their capabilities is obviously just so much greater that that of the average human so doing nothing would be kind of a waste, they also have less excuses. But if they don't really believe in anything then it can't be helped.

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I saw this thread, so its my responsibility to make sure when you guys get super powers that you save your uncle.

>>83631517

I think that was the premise of Kirkman's Destroyer.

>>83631276
You realize that it's "With great power must come great responsibility." It means that the more power you have, the greater care you must take not to abuse it. How you do that is your choice.

>>83631650
He doesn't hold any kind of official position though, he just sorta does it.
Plus they should really pay firefighters anyway. The fact that so many of those guys are just volunteers is a travesty.

>>83631322
He knew megamind wasnt bad at his core, he also knew that antagonising Megaming was the reason why the guy turned into a villian.

>>83631276
You say this but everyone thinks Man of Steel Superman is obliged to save the world.

Apparently he "owes" us something

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Some people say that everything happens for a reason. And with that logic, when something extraordinary happens like getting super powers, it can be said its your job to use those gifts.

>>83632144
Huh, so Peter was well known in his community's science community despite being a high schooler. I think I remember that being brought up before, same page where he said his long absence was due to being married to a supermodel.

>>83631214
He tried to buy my strongest potion when it was not for him

>>83632214
And this is why you kill the villains/criminals even though they are still low time

>>83631704
Shut up, nerd. Do you want me to lock you up in your locker again?

>>83631704

HE SAID "BEWARE THE BLAKIES PETE, THEY HUNT FOR BOI PUSSY AND ARE STRONG AS GORILAS!"

>>83632311
oh shit, his head does kinda look like it?

>>83631262
People would mob him if they knew he wasn't going to protect them because he didn't feel like it

>>83631673
Hearing people get raprd must be so awkward for Supes. Can you imagine all the fucked up shit he's seen?

>>83631214
>Do superpowered individuals have an obligation to save the world?

It even matters? Because don't matter of they save the world or not, people will still complain so they are fucked anyway.

>>83631214
>Do superpowered individuals have an obligation to save the world?

With great power comes great responsibility, Anon.

>>83632576
And he still thinks the world is worth it.

I always found it kinda weird how, as far as Metrocity is aware, Megamind murdered the fuck out of their old hero of justice given how quick they are to accept his heroic turn. Obviously he's still alive, but THEY don't know that

It's like, imagine if Green Goblin snapped Spider-Man's neck on live tv and then apologized the next month and said he was a good guy now.

>>83631531
>Not being a vigilante means you must be a criminal
Because I mean there can't possibly be any other options right?

>>83632663
Then why does he still fuck around as Clark Kent every day?
Now I'm just imagining him casually making lay-outs while hearing people in the Middle East getting bombed to bits.

>>83631240
Thanks, Ma and Pa Kent. And of course if Snyder does it then it's bad.

>>83632661
That's very convenient for those without power

>>83631704
It was the end of Amazing Fantasy #15 you normalfag

Evil occurs when good men do nothing

>>83632728
that...happened. He got put in charge of SHIELD (which he renamed Hammer), was a war hero thanks to the Skrull war, and was a shoe-in for president right up until he went crazy and Loki convinced him to invade Asgard.

it was more than a month later, but still, that he used to be green goblin was public knowledge

>>83632745
It's one thing to not be obliged to be the savior of humanity, it's another to instill fear in your child and kill yourself to prove a point.

Because, I'M BAD!

Yes and no.
It was understandable why he wanted to quit the hero business since that's what he was expected to do ever since he was a child but leaving without a trace was a dick move.

I don't see why he couldn't just have a talk with MegaMind. It didn't have to be immediately too either, he could have waited a couple weeks and then told him what's up when MegaMind was depressed and looking for purpose in his life.

>>83631291
Remember that episode were spongebob learned to fly

>>83631704
>asm 1
It was amazing fantasy 15 you mong. You're in no position to be calling other people normies.

>>83632295
old cape comics had awful storytelling

> Ctrl+f
> No one mentions Ayn Rand or posts the cover of Atlas Shrugged

Step it up guys. You had an obligation here.

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>>83633247
nah

>>83633257
I mean, we're not saying that if you see a girl getting mugged just let it happen even if you have the chance to stop it. That type of apathy is horrible.

But to dedicate your whole life to other people without a second thought about what you as an individual want with your life can take an emotional toll to anyone.

>>83631214
He is kinda a dick for not stopping by and dick-slapping Tighten.

He's the only guy that could safely take the guy down, and if he used his "time stop" level of superspeed he could do it and be gone without anyone realizing what happened.

>>83633027
I'm not referring to the tornado scene, I think that was retarded. I mean "you don't owe them anything."

>>83633105
Because MegaMind needed to figure it out on his own, and even if someone could have helped him it sure as hell wasn't going to be the guy he spent his entire life hating. If he had found out Metro Man was alive without the threat of Titan hanging over their heads he could have easily gone back to his old ways and even expose Metro Man's plan, forever tarnishing his name and crushing Metro City's spirit.

>>83633349
Except he would be doing exactly the same thing he convinced himself to stop in the first place

Stop being a hero means stopping for good. Period.

>>83633355
>"you don't owe them anything."
I don't have any issue with that sentiment, it's how they did it that was fucked up. It's like they tried to actively scar him as much as possible so he would never do anything for anyone ever.

>>83632230
so I guess nobody cares that spiderman is a television star turned vigilante

>>83633404
Why must things be defined in absolutes?

>>83633446
Because people would think he's a lazy asshole if he only superhero'd some of the time.
It's like if people knew Superman had a job as reporter during the day.

>>83633537
People don't think Police are lazy because they are only Police some of the time
The only reason Superman has a job as a reporter is because he wants to lead a normal life without villains harassing him and the people he cares about

>>83633574
Well that's because people understand that police officers are human beings who need to eat and sleep just like them, and also that they're always going to be limited in the amount of good they can do. And even then, the police force as a whole is always there.
Superman can save a person's life every second. If people realize that he doesn't do that because he wants to act like some dopey reporter from 9 to 5, they'd probably get pretty pissed off.
I get why he does it, but if he was real I'd probably get atleast a little bothered by Supes as well.

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>>83631704
>Normies don't know he didn't say that in ASM #1
Spider-man's origin story was in Amazing Fantasy you wikifag but nice try.

>>83632291
I think that's case he's an alien that people think that, since we allowed him to live on earth or some nonsense like that

>>83631214

I remember back in school, when it came out I accidentally spoiled the twist to a friend.

>>83633762

It's funny how Ma Kent was right.

>>83633810
How did he not know though.
There were commercials that literally showed OP's pic scene.

The movie spoiled itself long before it actually came out.

>>83631214
>Do superpowered individuals have an obligation to save the world?
Yes. Everyone does, superpowers or not.
If something bad happens that you could have stopped, but chose not to, then you are morally responsible for it.

>>83633896
Then we're all mass murderers.

>>83631598
Lex is a bad guy.
He will always be a bad guy that try to excuse himself.

Lex is a cunt, a sad man that will always be insecure and cruel, it doesnt matter how much Johns try to change that, Lex is just a really bad person.

>>83633944

This. Lex is nothing short of a petty asshole.

>>83633866
I never knew about the twist until I watched it at home.
I must be lucky.

>>83631276
You misunderstood what was meant by that phrase. Basically, if you see a guy pointing a gun at someone and you clearly can stop him from pulling the trigger, you fucking should.

>>83631598
The thing is, Megamind was raised under awful conditions and treated like shit despite actually being clever.

Lex was respected self-made businessman and its his rottenness in core that ruins him. Him wanting to surpass Superman because he can't be humanity's ceiling is just an excuse for petty jealousy.

>>83633931
No, murder is when you kill someone on purpose. If you kill someone without trying to kill them, that's manslaughter. Voluntary manslaughter if you were trying to hurt them, and involuntary manslaughter otherwise.

>>83633866
I still mad at those fuckin' spoiler trailers.

>>83633537
But with his superspeed he literally moves so fast everyone is standing still, and can keep it up casually, they wouldn't be able to perceive him doing anything.

>>83634168
And irrational blame for the whole hair thing.

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>>83631214
What level would the Guild give Megamind?

>>83631322

/co/mblr: the post

>REEEEE, YOU OWE US FREE SHIT

>>83632185
>Makes Grade A Adhesive with potentially limitless application
>uses it to run around in red and blue underroos

Thanks, Peter.

>>83635138
He's probably somewhere between an 8 and 10.
He has an army of Robots and tons of weapons and shit, he was capable of taking over the city but then again they pretty much just laid down when he walked in.

>>83633313

No. You don't stop it. You know why? Because the courts are corrupt.

Let's say you white knight and rescue the girl. Now, several things can happen:
>roleplaying with her bf
>rapist pulls out gun and shoots you
>rapist apprehended, girl runs away, when the cops come they arrest you for assault/battery and since you have no witnesses, it's your word against his
>you apprehend the guy, and injure him by accident, so now it's excessive use of force

Really, it's better to keep on walking.

>>83635334
Go away, Brock Turner. Your shit defense didn't stand in court and it won't stand in this hive of scum and villainy.

>>83631214
Anyone has the right to quit, but if Megamind or "Tighten" were even half as evil as the average Supervillain, him just disappearing while pretending to be dead would've been horrifying.

>>83635422
Oh, Tighten's a villain allright. Just not a SUPER one.

>>83631598
Superman has disappeared (and died) a number of times. Lex continued to be a rotten bastard in all of these occasions except maybe in Red Son, an Elseworld.

>>83635401

What? I don't know who the fuck that is. I do know that this happens constantly. When citizens intervene in a crime, it tends to end badly for them, whether from the perpetrator immediately, or from the judicial system later on.

>>83635518
Judicial system, at least over here, has a number of protections for someone stopping a raping or killing.

>>83632351
Underage pls go

>>83635454
oh yea? what's the difference?

>>83635562

Sure, same here in the states. In theory/on paper.

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>>83635622
PRESENTATION!

I don't care if it was practically t-ball levels of set up, that was so satisfying to get to do.

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>>83631214
>obligation
Should we get all of the smartest scientist of the world and obligate them to work in projects put together for the benefit of humanity?
Or should we treat them like human beings with their own will and let them choose what they want to do with their abilities even if they go to waste?

Nobody should tell someone with powers he has to be a superhero. On the other hand it's completely rational to tell him not to abuse his powers and be responsible if he's going to do something with them.
Let's use a simple example:
A supervillain launches a nuclear missile to X City.
Certain superpowered individual has the chance to stop it, but he does not as he considers it's not his problem nor worth risking his life. He doesn't owe nothing to that City.

Is he an asshole for not helping when he could with his powers?
Yes.
Is it his fault that people died?
No. The fault falls on the man that shoot the missile in the first place. Not on the man that doesn't stop it.
That would be like someone important was shot, and we blamed the friend that didn't get in the bullet's way instead of the shooter.

But of course, people will blame the guy that didn't stop the missile more than the mad scientist. Because when the scientist gets caught and taken away from the public eye, people will still need someone to blame.
They always need someone to blame, to dump their frustrations into.
And what happens if you are in fact a hero, but your own life gets worse and worse from how draining it becomes, and you decide to quit for a while. You think they'd let you just quit?
As someone said once; the worst thing of doing constant favors to people is that, when you stop doing them, suddenly you're the bad guy.

And that's exactly why I would be a villain if I had super powers.
Fuck the public. They'll eat you alive at the tiniest of chances just to feel better about themselves and get a slight moment of moral relief from their problems.
People are horrible, you can't trust them.

>>83632214
I wish this depiction appeared more than Peter suddenly becoming disrespectful and unappreciative of Uncle Ben and Aunt May. I think it makes it more tragic that a small miss fucked up his happy life instead of some angsty teen bullshit.

>>83634547
But then he'll have to live in a frozen world forever.

>>83635333
But he also is pretty non-lethal in everything he does, which would imply a lower ranking since the supposed purpose of the levels is to make sure villians and heros of differing levels of aggression aren't put together.

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>>83631704
>doesn't know that it's from AF#15
>doesn't know that it became canon in the later years
>r9k poster

>>83633663
With how many we are, a non-natural dead is happening every second.
So technically what you're asking him is to pass the rest of his long life in superspeed mode (minus the miliseconds he would take to eat and sleep) saving a human every second while they seem hours for him, costing him any resemblance of personal life and probably his sanity.
You're right, people would still get mad at him because people is stupid and would never realize that what they're asking him is to practically enslave himself for humanity like he was some kind of machine unable to feel.
The mere idea of having to put your powers on service of the civilization as an obligation is insane.

>>83635334
>>you apprehend the guy, and injure him by accident, so now it's excessive use of force
Actually America and most First World countries allow the harming of the person doing the crime assuming it's self-defense and if you accidentally injury the victim while trying to save them you have "Good Samaritan" laws that state that they can't sue you if it was for their own good so shit like The Incredible's wouldn't actually go down in real life.

>>83636208
What sort of vile acts of evilness would you resort to given that you had some sort of powers?

My only real complaint is that he knew Megamind was his only enemy and as far as I can tell was the only villian in the city who meant no harm.

So he basically gets a giant luxury playpen for saving the city from a harmless blueman and when an actual rape maniac becomes a threat he dips out. It'd be one thing to be a hero and then stop but he was honestly not really a superhero in the same way megamind was never a legitimate villain.

>>83637359
Correct.

In fact, some states even have laws protecting doctors who do not have a license attempting to render aid.

>>83631553
> he turns into Billy Ray Cyrus

>>83635949
the exact moment I regretted not buying the 3D ticket

Why didn't he just rape Megamind?

>>83637365
To be honest, that "I would be villain" bit was just my way to say I would never walk the path of a hero because fuck people etc.
That doesn't mean I would go around killing people or "doing evil" just because. When I think about I would probably only kill in self defense.
Use my powers to make my life easier in general, stay low, gain some money taking advantage of my powers (without illegalities if possible), have fun with my abilities from time to time, etc.

However, if I actually decided to participate in the constant fight between the forces of evil and good, I'm pretty sure I would dedicate my life to protect the real concept of universal justice, that is, the balance between forces.
Long story short: I have an overly complicated philosophy in which in a world with super powered being any of the two "idealistic sides" winning would be fatal for the world. And I wouldn't want that: I live in the fucking world too.
Basically, in those ridiculous shenanigans of mine I've come to the conclusion protecting the concept of Justice itself (and I'm not talking about that "justice" that common people use to justify their ways of living and their beliefs) would only be possible from the side of evil.

>>83631214
It's a free country
He can use his powers for whatever reason he wants

>>83631214
the real question is:
do those of us without powers have an excuse NOT to feel obliged to save the world

>>83632116
>no hyphen
... seriously?

>>83632153
i love that he's only concerned with his identity being found out if he FAILS

>>83633247
i think this one tells the story better and more touchingly than any version since.. sort of.

>>83631214
He framed Megamind for murder.
and also he was a bully.
he is lucky megamind was blue and not white, otherwise people might have actually died

>>83635334
so punch the courts

>>83633762
>people thinking we allowed him to live on earth
That's like a stereotypical euro-friend thinking they "allowed" a burglar into their home, as though they had input and/or have an alternative that'll act as a deterrent or relevant offense. It's silly.

Having superpowers doesn't force you to 'save the world', as long as you aren't using those powers to go and be a dick you have the same freedoms as any other person.

>>83632345
Frank Castle pls.

>>83632185
Wow, Peter really was a huge dork back then, wasn't he.

>>83632352
This got a good laugh out of me. Thank you.

>>83636208
Consider the following scenario.

A runaway trolley is about to run over five people who have been tied to the tracks. You can't stop the trolley, but you can divert it onto another track, averting the accident. However, you have with you a video camera, and the five people are going to die in an extremely gruesome manner. If you record it, you can sell the footage as a snuff film and make some easy money. If you do divert the trolley, although the five people might be grateful, they will not give you a cash reward for saving their lives.

Do you think you should divert the trolley?

>>83631214
They don't owe this world a thing.

>>83631531
>Well, it's no big surprise that 4chan is filled with potential supervillains.
>Supervillians.
If I get superpowers I just don't want to spend the rest of life fighting a fight that will never end. Talk to a cop about how much good his job has done for his mental health or how much good even the most good intentioned act of policing does.

I wouldn't go out and start rampaging or pillaging. I'd just live out my life with the benefit of superpowers and if something heinous is happening I'd still step in.

Super heroes are heroes because they're a sort of selfless normal people could never hope to match.

>>83631291
Depends on if there were other supervillains besides Megamind running around in their world. If he announced his retirement, they might have come out of the woodwork to cause chaos in Metro City.

As it was, I always figured any other villains/supers stayed away from the city because Megamind took over after killing the most powerful(?) man on the planet. What chance would any of them have to stop him/take his territory, right?

>>83631322
He probably felt he knew Megamind well enough over the years that without their conflict he wouldn't be such a bad guy.