>With great power comes great responsibility. This is nothing

>>83602748
OK Mongul

>>83602748
but parker dident earn his power it was an accident

>>83602748
Snyder, plz leave.

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>>83602748
Ayn Rand pls

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>>83602818
Rand was right. The less wealthy are evil ingrate parasites who steal mercilessly from the real producers and innovators who have made our worthless shit hole of a planet tolerable to live in. The socialist systems the west is suffering under today are nothing but pyramid schemes relying on eternally expanding population growth. It's all falling apart now, which is why Europe is importing millions of low IQ savages in a panic to save their sinking ship. The masses are mindless cattle who ride on the coattails of the accomplishments of a very few number of great men, and they imagine these accomplishments to be their own. Why would any rational human being allow the masses any say in the role or activities in government when they will always do nothing but vote the entire nation into utter ruin? We need a fascist dictatorship who advocate for a free market, we need a Pinochet to cleanse our countries of this genetically dysfunctional communist filth.

>>83602981
Alternatively, there are relatively good and bad people both with and without positions of power and the world's only absolute is that absolutes do not exist.

>>83602981
>Rand was right.

Rand was never right.

>>83602748
>slave
> siphon power away from the people who've earned it, to the powerless
You are just picking words at random, right?

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>>83603022
>there are relatively good
AHAHAHAHAHA
>bad people
Yes. Bad people. People are not good. People are selfish.

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>>83602981

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>>83603135
Cant you go be a NEET somewhere else, like /a/?

>>83602981
Please let Stan the Man take your energy away already Ditko

>>83602818
Fun fact: Stan Lee introduced Steve Ditko to Ayn Rand's books. Lee was fascinated by Rand and he wanted to share his impressions with Ditko. And then Ditko lost his mind.

>>83602791
He EARNED that field trip, dammit!

>>83603095
>hurr durr there was a single word you didn't use correctly
Alright then. Leech. They leech power. Better?

>>83602748
YEA RESPONSIBILITY'S COOL

BUT THERES MORE THINGS IN LIFE

>>83603195
>movie version
It was a walk in science fair. Any yokel could have got that bite

>>83603135
Aw come on anon don't be so cynical

>>83603147
I'm not having a tantrum, I'm simply stating that uncle Ben was full of SHIT.

>>83603230
I was actually referring to Ultimate, but yeah.

>>83603135
>People are selfish.
YOU are selfish, and you want to feel morally justified in being so, therefore you naturally latch to objectivisim, the perfect philosophy for assholes.
All humans can be selfish, but all humans have the capacity to be altruistic too. It's just that you have decided that being selfish is a virtue because you don't care about helping other people.
Just like Ayn Rand, she hated charity.

>>83602748
"Responsibility is slavery" could be Spider-Man's "Hail Hydra"

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>>83603196
>Less wealthy people leech off of wealthy people by accepting their paychecks and doing their jobs.

Ayn Rand was a cuck too

You don't want to be a cuck, do you Anon?

>>83602748
Getting bitten by a radioactive spider isn't really 'earning it'

>>83603273
True altruism doesn't exist. It's just a survival method in service of the selfish gene.

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>>83602981
>Rand was right
Which is why tons of objectivist societies with no government have thrived! Oh wait.

>>83603297
I agree

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>>83603273
>Inb4 blahh blahh charity is bad blahh blahh taking advantage of people's generosity

>>83602981
>>83602748
>>83603331
>A 14 year old's philosophy lesson
kek

>>83603331
>True altruism doesn't exist. It's just a survival method in service of the selfish gene.
How are people that sacrifice their own lives to save strangers servicing the selfish gene?

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>>83602748
Ow, the edge

>>83603299
No faggot, they've used the power of the state to steal from the productive elements of society, ultimately making the entire world worse. They're shortsighted and don't deserve any say.

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>>83603331
>The selfish gene
>selfish gene
>gene
>selfish

>>83603355
adhom

Gas the flatscans, gene war now

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>>83603376
>Productive elements of society
So, the millions of working class across the country, from the inception of our government to today are not "the productive elements" because they're "not as wealthy".

>>83603361
Men sacrificing their lives in service of the group helps human genes survive and proliferate. What a stupid question, honestly.

>>83603399
I'd stay and sit you down for a nice chat, kid, but I'm busy. Guess we'll both have to be disappointed, eh?

>>83602981
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

>>83603429
Did they invent the underlying systems and technologies that fuel our societies? No, they're mindless workhorses, nothing more. Robots will soon replace those millions, and after that they can just die off like the useless pieces of meat they are.

>>83603441
So a healthy fertile young man dying to protect an infertile old woman helps human genes survive and proliferate.
Good to know.

>>83602981
Rand was right in that the poor can be evil and petty.

Rand was wrong in that the rich weren't all that as well.

>>83603450
Heh

>>83602748
>Kill them all, Peter

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>>83603474
>and after that they can just die off like the useless pieces of meat they are.
OK, we've all had good laugh here, you can stop now.

>>83603485
What a silly extreme to go to. You sure proved Dawkins wrong with that hypothetical situation.

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>>83603441
Sacrificing their lives for complete strangers, i.e. firefighters, first responders, SWAT, coalition soldiers, Red Cross, missionaries.

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>>83603474
Slow down, bucko. You're trying too hard.

>>83603526
>>83603551
Not an argument.

>>83603339
Maybe not governments, but transnationals and bankers have.

>>83603339
Heh

>>83603565

You don't deserve an argument, you goofy loon.

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>>83603565
I don't argue with mental cuckolds.

>>83603544
You don't see how those institutions helps society survive, and the humans within it to thrive and procreate? Seriously?

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>>83603565
Why do we have to argue with a NEET over the internet?

>>83603331
Dawkins regrets calling the book 'The Selfish Gene' and wishes he had called it the Immortal Gene instead.

>>83603565
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

>inb4 not an argument

>>83603538
Not an argument. :^)

>>83603450
Nice reddit quote.

>>83603600
>checked
They're a silly little goon so I for one will give them their fifteen poss of fame.

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>>83603599
What you describe defies the idea of greed in and of itself. Helping humans and helping them pass on their genes is not greed, who the hell taught you that. How do you benefit from a person being born after you die, in a different country, on a different continent.

>>83603339

It always baffled me how the heroes of Rand's novels were the actual most worthless people in their world, the kind of people who had no skills other than paying other people to do things for them. Like, she should at least have made them some type of impossible Tony Stark level supergeniuses who personally invented everything their company produces, but instead she just made them random rich people who would never survive a week without the help of the so-called "parasites".

>>83603677
John Galt did invent the magical infinite energy machine. But yeah, everyone else were just rich CEOs, plus a few oddballs like a trucker, a judge that hates the government and an Ayn Rand self-insert writer.

>>83603565
>>83603474
>>83603376
>>83603196
>>83602748
Found the mentally ill trust fund kid

>>83603653
Not to mention, many of the people saved don't even breed. How does dying to save an old lady help genes or whatever? Notice how that anon dismissed it as an "extreme" because he knew he had no way of arguing further >>83603538

>>83603450
I read both, Atlas Shrugged is an overwrought novella Rand probably stretched to a novel for royalties but Lord of the Rings taught me that some are inherently unable to create civilization, they can maintain some warped visage of it by consuming massive amounts of resources but should not be tolerated within any society.

>>83603756
>you need to be a trustfund baby to see parasites are taking everything and giving nothing
Go give more to Bernie.

>>83602748
Nietzche go back to combing your moustache

>>83602748
Randroid pls.
This is a sorry excuse for a /co/ discussion, you're not actually even talking about the movie, but about your own morals. Nobody should give a shit and you should take this to /pol/.

>>83602748
Except that statement isn't about siphoning power, and your reading of it suggests you are bound by slave morality yourself.

"Great power, great responsibility" is a reflection of the fact that the more powerful you are, the more consequences your actions have. It's also a statement of the fact that with great power, you are at a higher risk of adversely affecting your life through its misuse.

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

>>83603825
Great, here come the Trumpfags.
>some are inherently unable to create civilization
Like the Mexicans, amirite? Pathetic. Had you lived a hundred years ago, you'd blame the Jews instead for all your problems.

>>83603832
Not to be that guy, but Nietzsche advocated for enlightenment of the self but didn't necessarily advocate that an enlightened individual should actively work to harm the un-enlightened.

>>83602748
Aren't you a little too young to be posting here?

>>83603910
Nietzsche was a borderline psychopath whose ruthless philosophy of virtuous selfishness lead to his insanity.

>>83603620
Dawkins regrets everything he does because he's an obsessive sperg with little forsight to the obvious social reactions of his work.
Him finding something to perpetually complain or feel superior about in comparison to larger society is literally a driving character trait.


Anyhow think there's a bit of disconnect in that most people assume selfishness to assume 'true/total' selfishness. Instead of simple an extension of the old Bedouin saying "I against my brother, my brother and I against my cousin, and my cousin and I against the stranger" which results in a logicly expanding heirarchy radiating out to contain the entire human species.

This entire unconscious hierarchy is based upon genetic selfishness, but is not absolute, as memetic selfishness (shared cultures or ideas) may override it dependent on the individual's values (ex: on occasion a family may give up a member criminal, not out of fear of reprisal by the larger world, but out of rejection of the ideas that member's crime embodies.)

>>83602748
Gonna guess you got a solid B- on your book report.

>>83603905
How about you look at the people taking US welfare, getting US driver's licenses, getting put into US prisons and STILL calling parts of the southwestern US 'Mexico'

I'm half Hispanic and Korean, both my parents are immigrants and have bought guns recently because our city turned to a shithole becasue some cucked politicians turned it into a 'sanctuary city' forgetting that the constituency they are supposed to SERVE is not south of the fucking border or claim they are hispanic first and American second after three fucking generations of living here. You want to know why the US is getting stupider? Look at the fucking animals they think is better to cram into a highschool instead of a zoo.

>>83603441
That's not how genetics work. If selfless people die without passing on their genes, then their selfless genes don't propagate.

It's only "selfish" when you die for your own offspring, and even then we're abusing the definition of "selfish".

>>83603825
Lord of the Rings taught me that epic fantasy books with extremely deep lore actually make me fall asleep with boredom

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>>83603243
Fucking hell these aren't even Ben's words. They never were. Instead of getting your autism triggered by dumb movies go read a fucking comic you filthy casual.

>>83604101
hobbit was always better tbhqhgyaft

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>>83604096
>That's not how genetics work.
>their selfless genes

>>83602748
Why doesn't Mary Jane like me? I am the SUPREME gentleman!

>>83603355
Not an argument

>>83603962
I'll point out that only a society may determine what is 'Insane' one is only insane if mentally incompatible with the functioning within that society.

One example is schiztophrenics who put butter in the attic to 'appease the faries' or go into 'prophetic fits' are perfectly functional individuals in a society that strongly believes in magical values.

This makes insanity a meaningless charge when applied to post-societal philosophies.

KILL THEM ALL PETER.

>>83603962
With friends (at least former) like Richard Wagner, wouldn't you go insane? Either way, point conceded.

>>83604085
It's easy to blame your problems on Mexicans when you're half-Korean and most your friends are likely white anyways. The socio-economic problems of migrants are far more complex than just "hurr they're just born wrong durr" that people like you spout. Systemic cruelties suffered by minorities in America are not easily removed as long as people like you ally yourselves with the enemy.

>>83604182
>I'm not crazy!
>You are!

>>83603331
How does that make it not "true" altruism? The behavior evolved for practical reasons, but it's frequently exercised by people who literally gain nothing from it.

>>83603849

It can also be interpreted as the responsibility to use your power, rather than let it go to waste.

In many ways, a person with great wealth and personal power who does NOTHING with it and just rests on their laurels is worse than a person who has failed to achieve anything in the first place. The presumed 'lesser man' lacks the ability to do great things, but they waste few resources in the process and there is the potential excuse that they simply never had the resources or opportunity to reach their potential in the first place. Not everyone does, after all.

But if you have power or wealth, and you do fucking nothing with it, then you explicitly have the resources and opportunity to do something great and have personally chosen not to. This doesn't just impact you, resources are finite. You being powerful and wealthy means that, by opportunity cost, someone else is not. So soaking up wealth and sitting on it prevents others from using that wealth for useful things.

Now, this doesn't mean that what you should be doing is helping everyone else around you. That's obviously a valid use of your power, and one many people would appreciate, but funding your own private projects or investing into the development of new technologies are also good.

To put this back int he scope of spiderman, Peter with his spider powers has a power that no one else does. A perfectly normal person chosing not to go and fight Venom is understandable, they lack the power and skill to meaningfully impact that problem. But if Peter, with all of his power, makes the same choice to do nothing? That carries a much greater weight, because he actually CAN do something about it. The very act of inaction means letting people that could be saved die, and letting problems that could be stopped continue. This gives Peter a much greater personal responsibility over the outcome of the scenario than the vast majority of people, even if he never shows up to the fight.

>>83604206
Dont see you crying about Mexicans doing the same thing to Central Americans

>>83604142
Altruism is a behavior that was genetically selected for. It doesn't come from thin air.

>>83604206
>Systemic
>people like you ally yourselves with the enemy.
Next you're going to say "PoCs and queers are natural allies!" to iu

>>83602981
>Ayn Rand
>right

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>>83604214
But anon, you are crazy.

>>83604246
Meant for>>83603905

>>83604234
This is the kind of argument an atheist would make.

>>83604256
where did the first altruism come from then? checkmate atheists :)

>>83604295
This guy gets it

>>83604297
Some people call me that

>>83604214
>Sanity is not statistical
Yes, it is, Winston.

>>83604327
Do you think OP is crazy?

>>83604332
You're crazy

>>83604370
He's either a troll or just really stupid. Probably both.

>>83604370
Crazy, noisy, bizarre

>>83602748
read a fucking comic retard

>>83604319
Genetic mutation, like all traits.

>>83604327
I go by Space Cowboy.

>>83604397
See>>83604182

>>83604308

What a wonderfully vague way to dismiss a post. Legitimately impressive.

If I say I am not an atheist, I take your statement as a personal criticism and then that becomes the new topic of conversation, dragging religion into the mix and distracting from the original topic.

If I say I am an atheist, then that gives you an out to make a show of tossing out the whole argument based on that fact alone.

In neither case are you required to explain how that has anything to do with the topic whatsoever, and its vague enough that you can use it in response to basically any argument on 4chan with much the same results.

A masterful distraction technique.

>>83602748
DON'T SAVE ME, INVINCIBLE NEPHEW

>>83603825
>but Lord of the Rings taught me that some are inherently unable to create civilization
I assume you're talking about the orcs. Are you seriously comparing fictional evil monsters with entire groups of real people?

The whole powerful people are more important thing kinda falls apart when you stand back and look at society as a whole. The man who cleans out shit from the sewers has a much more impactful job than the CEO who runs some big business

>>83602748
Okay, buddy. I get the message. Just do me a favor if I ever see you bleeding on the street and tell me you were the one who posted this so I can leave you and assert my position of power, please? I need the reminder.

>>83604463
You're using the argument that people with power have the responsibility to help the powerless. God is almighty, yet still allows for bad things to happen to good people. Therefor, you are an atheist.

>>83604502
Especially since at the end of the day, both the CEO and the sewer man are replaceable.
Contrary to what Rand claimed in Atlas Shrugged, if a bunch of CEOs walked out on society, some new ones would replace them and society would keep marching on, nobody caring that they left.

>>83604424
And where did these genes come from?

>>83604496
>real people can't be monsters
I remember when I was young and naive as you.

You are all crazy
This world is crazy
I'm the only sane person in a world of insanity

>>83604532
That would only happen in a free market.

>>83604556
I remember you
You ate bugs on dares

Did you think that would make you popular?

>>83604397
>>83604408
I fucking love this board sometimes

>>83604528
You're retarded, I don't think you even know what an atheist is.

>>83604543
YHWH

>>83604556
Of course real people can be monsters, but real monsters can come from anywhere, no race has a monopoly on being a monster.

>>83604101
The lore is only deep if you want to figure out what they are referencing. Kind of like how you can let your eyes glaze over at the genealogy of David and enjoy him kill a guy with a rock.

>>83604206
Actually, I can, the same way you can try to pour money into doomed projects to try and get blacks to stop being animals or illegal immigrants from being drains on society or voting against US interests. By all means go ahead, I'll vote against you but will never deny you're ability for personal charity, the only thing I hope for is that you stop using other people's money and risking their lives for your personal crusades.

>>83604631
Why cant atheist define atheism?
:3

Poor people are the most generous. They will share what they have even if it is a little.

Rich people are greedy and follow the vile maxim. Take everything for yourself and leave nothing for anyone else. rich people are in a sense less human.

>>83604639
Race is a social construct, shitlord

>>83604639
>no race has a monopoly on being a monster
Wanna go live in Africa for a while?

>>83604528

Sounds like you didn't actually read the post beyond the first line or two. I even specifically address that point.

> Now, this doesn't mean that what you should be doing is helping everyone else around you. That's obviously a valid use of your power, and one many people would appreciate, but funding your own private projects or investing into the development of new technologies are also good.

Using power to help the powerless is a valid choice, but the important part is to use the precious opportunity that you have to try and do something worthy of the chance you have. Using money and power to gain more money and power in an infinite loop with no actual payoff is just wasteful. Because you soak up resources and power for yourself, but you never plan on DOING anything with it.

>>83604639
When a statistically significant portion of a race are monsters regardless of social class, I'll avoid them.

>>83603185
So Stan lee invented Watchmen?

>>83602748

Be sure to let me know how that works out for you.

>>83602981
>>83603474
You do realize that rich people need less wealthy people to exist, because otherwise how are they gonna make any money? Companies can only make money if they have customers, and the vast majority of consumers are normal people.

>>83604739
God is almighty. He could do literally anything, and it would take no effort. Yet he does nothing to the good people who suffer horribly. Therefor according to your morality, I can see in your post, I can see that you are an atheist.

>>83604687
Atheism is the absence of belief in a God or the belief of the absence of God.
If you believe there is a God that is almighty and allows for bad things to happen to good people, that doesn't make you an atheist.
In fact that literally makes you a theist.

So yeah, retard.

>>83604528
Yes, and?

Actually, doesn't God say a lot of shit about how he doesn't play by the sane rules as everyone else, and we shouldn't do some of the stuff he does?

>>83603331

Check out the badass...

>>83604795
Wealth is created by the rich.

>>83604818
That doesn't even begin to compute.
Retard.

>>83604818
No, you are very much retarded.

See:
>>83604828

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>>83602748
>taking Nietzsche seriously
I mean, I knew this board was full of plebs, but really.
I bet you haven't even read On the Genealogy of Morality either, you're just parroting what you read on /r/libertarian

>>83602981
Heh - this is 4chan and you really fit in nicely.

>>83604863
Not really, no. That's an oversimplification at best.

>>83603135
Don't cut yourself on that edge there old chum

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>>83603339
Ok I'm reading this comic it's pretty good but I don't understand something about this one since when is veganism a healthy diet

>>83604863
No, wealth is created by desire. If you had all the gold in the world but nobody else wanted it, you would have no wealth.

>>83604863
Wealth is created by labour kiddo, read a book.
Or wait, does praxeology magically create value from nothing?

>>83604754
Indeed, this is why I avoid whites. No offense.

>>83604795
Ayn Rand didn't seem to understand this, in her mind consumers were irrelevant to how succesful a business was

>Now project the mentality of a savage, who can grasp nothing but the concretes of the immediate moment, and who finds himself transported into the midst of a modern, industrial civilization. If he is an intelligent savage, he will acquire a smattering of knowledge, but there are two concepts he will not be able to grasp: "credit" and "market."

>Then the savage observes that the department stores are full of wonderful goods, but people do not seem to buy them. "Why is that?" he asks a floorwalker. "We don't have enough of a market," the floorwalker tells him. "What is that?" he asks. "Well," his new teacher answers, "goods are produced for people to consume, it's the consumers that make the world go 'round, but we don't have enough consumers." "Is that so?" says the savage, his eyes flashing with the fire of a new idea. Next day, he obtains a check from a big educational foundation, he hires a plane, he flies away—and comes back, a while later, bringing his entire naked, barefoot tribe along. "You don't know how good they are at consuming," he tells his friend, the floorwalker, "and there's plenty more where these came from. Pretty soon you'll get a raise in pay." But the store, pretty soon, goes bankrupt.

>The poor savage is unable to understand it to this day—because he had made sure that many, many people agreed with his idea, among them many noble tribal chiefs, such as Governor [George, not Mitt] Romney, who sang incantations to "consumerism," and warrior Nader, who fought for the consumers' rights, and big business chieftains who recited formulas about serving the consumers, and chiefs who sat in Congress, and chiefs in the White House, and chiefs in every government in Europe, and many more professors than he could count.

>>83602981
I'll never understand this fetish some have for ayn rand.

>>83604955
Whites are literally the most well behaved people on the planet.

>>83604754
But what about when those statistics are clearly caused by location.

>>83604960
>Therefore, they conclude, the consumer—not the producer—is the motor of an economy. Let us extend credit, i.e., our savings, to the consumers—they advise—in order to expand the market for our goods.

>But, in fact, consumers qua consumers are not part of anyone’s market; qua; consumers, they are irrelevant to economics. Nature does not grant anyone an innate title of “consumer”; it is a title that has to be earned—by production. Only producers constitute a market—only men who trade products or services for products or services.

>>83603832

Don't mistake this douchebag for Nietzsche.

>>83603962

Pretty sure it was the syphilis that did it.

>>83604308

That speaks for it, not against.

>>83604720
Every race is made of asshole monsters in Africa, though.

>>83604992
>>83604960
>Consumers don't real, just like make goods
What the fuck

>>83605031
Not the Rhodesians.

>>83604960
So, why did the store go out of business? I assume the "savages" paid for the goods they bought.

>>83604982
Fuck you. I live in Alabama and nearly every white person is a stupid fucking hick that thinks they'll die if they don't spend 80% of the day driving their fucked up pickup around aimlessly while drunk off their ass.

>>83605090
Nice anecdote.

>>83603677
>she should at least have made them some type of impossible Tony Stark level supergeniuses who personally invented everything their company produces
She did

Which is another strike against the books, since no CEOs are not omnidisciplinary geniuses

>>83605120
>no counterargument

stupid OP doesn't realize that mismanaging personal power will harm you before it harms anyone else

>>83605068
No because they're only consumers and not producers, so they don't monies.
It's a bit of a retarded analogy, considering the 1st savage at least had a way to make money since he could afford to fly his whole tribe over, so he must have been able to produce somthing.

>>83605147
I don't need to argue against a personal anecdote.

>>83604955
None taken, you are completely welcome to hang around a black people that are almost twice as likely to rob or assault you. You are a big boy and I'm sure your posturing of pet minorities gets you plenty of virtue points.

Look at data from Chinatown to Chiraq, notice how the crime tends to drop significantly despite the new immigrants being in usually worse financial straights than the local blacks? But no, I'm sure the magical patches of land other minorities and whites live in is totally the thing holding the black man down. Because Section 8 totally helps rise them up and doesn't kill property values and increase crime.


>>83605147
See above, friend. I like that. Maybe I could take the easy way out and just talk from small experience and not look at official DoD and DoH data.

>>83604528
>Not believing that your deity is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent makes you an atheist
>Not belonging to an abrahamic religion makes you atheist

>>83605179
Yeah, you do.

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>>83602748
Quite right.
Here's the real truth. There are eight million people in this city. And those teeming masses exist for the sole purpose of lifting the few exceptional people onto their shoulders. You, me? We're exceptional.

I could squash you like a bug right now, but I'm offering you a choice. Join me! Imagine what we could accomplish together... what we could create. Or we could destroy! Cause the deaths of countless innocents in selfish battle again and again and again until we're both dead! Is that what you want?

Think about it, hero!

>>83605090
Anon don't you know, if you don't post a heavily-artefacted jpeg, poorly made collage, or link to a white power geocities website, you aren't allowed to talk about race on anonymous imageboards

>>83605204
Well darn, you sure convinced me.

>>83604818
Just because God is all powerful doesn't make him all knowing or all good by default

>>83605174
The "savage" got the money from "a check from a big educational foundation", so I guess that means their money doesn't count?

>>83605191
Hinduism is for fags.

>>83605179
You do however need to provide evidence that whites are "literally the most well behaved people on the planet."

>>83605190
When will you faggots get it though your head it's the ghetos that are the problem

And fuck property values housing should be afordable

>>83602748
This line isn't about sharing your power. It's about using your power for good. Uncle Ben is saying "look Peter, when you are capable of doing incredible things, don't use that power to hurt people like a maniac. Try to be a decent person and use that power to help people and make others happy. Doing this will make you happy in return and more people will respect you in the long run." this is further illustrated at the end of the movie when the New Yorkers on the bridge distract the green goblin long enough for spiderman to help the kids.

>>83605191
It's funny but I guess to some people atheists are just anti-Christians.

>>83605210
Best reply.

>>83605235
Ah right, handouts are the true evil.

>>83605274
But doing good things is gay lol he should just gore kill everyone with his powers because they're all weak pissants.

>>83605232
MMMM BOYS

>>83605210
How did it take this long for this reply to come up?

>>83605347
Because this thread was never about the actual movie.

>>83605274
>help people and make others happy
This is basically the argument the lower classes use, and it literally translates to "GIVE ME YOUR STUFF!"

>>83603594
>>83603600

holy shit its literally identical to sjws when theyre challenged.
>'its not my responsibilty to EXPLAIN how you microaggressed onto me, its your responsibility to get EDUCATED'
if you dont know shit dont say shit

>>83605210
>Imagine what we could accomplish together... what we could create.
So, what exactly did Norman want to do that he needed Spider-Man's help for? Take over the ciy? Take over the world?

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>>83602748
>people who have earned it

Yeah getting bit by a spider was real hard work

>>83605392
I think comparing people to SJWs or calling them SJWs has become the new Godwin's law.

>>83605392
Man your right it really is extremely similar.

>>83605399
Peter's ability to stick to walls are crucial in taking over the world.

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>>83605392
>if you dont know shit dont say shit

How about you follow you own advice. You talk like a twelve-year-old who thinks he has figured out the whole world because he read a wiki synopsis of Fountainhead and beat Bioshock on easy.

Here's the fucking actual truth of things: humans are weak and worthless and incapable of accomplishing anything worth shit unless they team up with other humans. All of human civilization and all our behavior and morality and all the shit you claim to despise is just increasingly advanced forms of teaming up. If you have an issue against it, you're welcome to live alone and die alone, having accomplished nothing.

>>83605272
>And fuck property values housing should be afordable
I believe that artificial inflation is a problem like the Chinese using chunks of Vancouver for money laundering but you have to be joking that all property should be subsidized becasue that would require the govt either outright owning all land or depending on them to not fuck with land prices in favor of a guy who donates a modest sum to their re-election campaign.

>>83605517
>he isn't a rugged individualist
Better dead than red, commie.

>>83604863
Well yeah if they're running a counterfeiting operation.

>>83605430
well the irony is sweetest here because its the /pol/ types who believe in this shit who are the ones making most of the comparisons to sjws, despite being equally unable to explain their absurd points of view. turns out they're exactly the same

>>83605539
>that would require the govt either outright owning all land
What's wrong with this?

>>83605383
Spiderman doesn't give people shit. He helps them by preventing and stopping crime. If you have power you have the opportunity (and according to Uncle Ben the responsibility) to be good instead of bad. Don't be a dick and people will like you. That's what Uncle Ben's speech boils down to. The only people who won't like spiderman are the crazy people and/or the criminal minded people.

>>83605590
Except many people hate Spiderman because of anti-vigilantism and media smears.

>>83605582
Overplayed your hand there. Gg, almost got me.

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>>83605646
And many heroes simply dislike Spider-Man because they find him annoying

>>83605682
Didn't drop him though, hell he went out of his way to save him

>>83605682
Pete is that one kid. We're all that one kid.

>>83605517
you or i might have replied to the wrong person/misunderstood cos i agree with you pretty solidly

>>83605312
Still doesn't explain why the store went bankrupt if they were paid for the goods.

>>83603474
Robots are replacing jobs in the finance sector faster than anywhere else. It's one of the few sectors where the work is well within the capabilities of cheap AI, because it works to simplistic rules and only requires attention.

Turns out they don't spend 15 years embezzling a slush fund for their retirement, and they never miss out on a big deal because they were at a bar with their PA on company time.

>>83605682
I remember the time spidy threw the shield and it ended up in the latverian embassy

>>83602981
I kinda want to find and kill you
For the greater good of course.

>>83605758
>they were paid for the goods.
I don't they were. In fact there's no indication that they even consumed anything.

>>83604982
Not when the japanese exist.

Their obsession with politeness is literally eating their society from within,

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>>83605832
The greater good.

>>83605792
I feel like Doom has had a harder life than most villains. Shit just happens to hm and as a ruler of a fucking country he can't just let it go, I wonder if he just wishes he could be a high B list villain sometimes.

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>>83605590
And criminals REALLY hate Spider-Man. They hate him so much that they'd rather beat the crap out of him for 5 minutes than actually try and escape prison when given he chance.
Plus, how many individual heroes have had entire villain groups formed for the sole purpose of having revenge on them?

>>83605866
I don't understand Japan. All the other Asian peoples are complete savages, why are they such an exception? Was it the nukes?

>>83605841
Then what exactly did they do? Fly all the way there and just stand around not buying anything? >>83604960
Either way, Rand has done nothing to prove that consumers are irrelevant to the market.

>>83605758
The salesman explained that; no one was buying the merchandise to begin with. The story doesn't make any sense, the business was already failing, "We don't have enough of a market." The story would work as a critique of bailouts or subsidies, but it doesn't as a critique of consumerism. If anything the fault lies with the company itself, as it was unable to manufacture or respond to market demand.

>>83605948
Horrifying war tends to either make a society polite to a fault or just break them into unstable savage lands. Same with South Korea.

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Dude, it's just a gentler way of saying "for every action there is a reaction."

If you have power, you have to work to maintain it or use it efficiently. Uncle Ben wasn't telling Peter what to do, he was giving him basic life advice.

>>83605948
No, the Japanese will eat each other alive as well. They just wait until someone slips up so they can have an acceptable sociocultural reason to be monsters.

Fuck you OP! I was just browsing threads during my lunch hour and I cut myself on the edge of your posts!

>>83605948
Japanese were always polite. To other Japanese, foreigners were treated horribly. After WWII they were forced to be polite to everyone, or at the very least pretend to be.

>>83605903
>Plus, how many individual heroes have had entire villain groups formed for the sole purpose of having revenge on them?
Almost all of them

>>83606168
There's a difference between villains teaming up for one story and villains forming a long-lasing established group with a name for the sole purpose of getting revenge on one person.

>>83605879
> Literally did nothing wrong

>>83602748
>Earned it
>Happened to be bitten by a magic spider
Okay

>>83602748
Well, yeah, the deal is when Peter started using his powers for his own personal gain, he made a mistake that got his beloved uncle murdered!

>>83606353
>implying peter was responsible for ben's murder

>>83606425
Well all he had to do was stick out one foot a little.

>>83605956
If anything she's arguing the opposite. It does explain why she lived on handouts all her life, though.

>>83605582
Feudalism

>>83606425
His selfish actions were the catalyst for Ben's murder. The moment he let that guy go the clock started ticking.

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>>83602981
>fascism
>free market
Pick one.

>>83605956
>Then what exactly did they do? Fly all the way there and just stand around not buying anything?
I mean she doesn't say they do anything.

>>83606484
I love how she claimed that when she came to America "nobody helped me" even though she only made it to America, got a house, got education and got a job thanks to relatives whom she never thanked or paid back.
And of course, using social security money after she inevitably go cancer from all those years of smoking and refusing to believe smoking was bad for your health.

>>83606425
That's the entire implication of this thread yes. Peter didn't HAVE to stop that guy he was under no obligation to do so, but because he didn't his uncle died. Because Peter has the power to act or not he shares partial responsibility for the consequences

>>83606483
>>83606508
>>83606581
Peter shares no responsibility in what happened to Ben. The only person responsible for that event is the killer himself.

>>83606581
That's probably why Peter is on Team Ulysses in Civil War II. In his mind, if you have the chance of stopping something bad before it happens, you should take it or else you'll regret it later.

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>>83606581
>he shares partial responsibility for the consequences

That disconnect between him letting the thief go and the thief later killing his uncle is disconnected enough that there isn't a moral or ethical responsibility at play. There is personal guilt, but not much else.

>>83606631
The only thing necessary for evil to succeed is for good Spidermen to do nothing.

>>83606631
If Peter hadn't let that guy go, Ben wouldn't have died. What does that mean to you?

>>83606631
It's not his fault no, nobody can put the blame on Peter. But his choice not to act resulted in the man getting away and killing Ben. This is when he realizes that because he has the power to act he can help decide the outcome for better or worse

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>>83606659
Because fascism isn't free anything. It's also bad for the economy, unless you liked fascist Italy. It's obsessed with preserving a system and maintaining order to such a degree that it's the most autistic political ideology.

>>83602981
>rand was right

Stopped right there

>This thread
10/10
Autism is the purest expression of Western Civilization.

>>83606870
>Autism is the purest expression of Civilization.
FTFY

>>83606805
A dictatorship with a similar election system as that of the Vatican with a focus on maintaining an unregulated market would be pretty sweet.

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>>83606353
Actually, if you think about it. What got Uncle Ben killed was not Peter trying to benefit himself with his powers, which he continues to do throughout the comic through his work taking pictures of himself for the Daily Bugle, but Peter choosing to not use them for the express purpose of getting back at someone who wronged him, such as the fight promoter in the movie.

In this instance, he is using his power to obtain satisfaction for himself expressly at the expense of someone else. The fight promoter and the robber are also guilty of this by using his authority to renege on the paying Peter and by using the power granted by having a gun to rob people, respectively.


This theme carries over to some of Spidey's rogues as well. From technologically gifted individuals like Shocker and Vulture who use their powers to take advantage of those who cannot do what they can instead of doing legitimate business to those like Electro who by all rights be much more of a threat than he is often portrayed as but isn't because he can't use his powers intelligently.

So, the moral is less "you are bound to help people if you have", which in some circumstances is impossible as you cannot help everyone, which is perhaps driven home most blatantly with the death of Gwen Stacey, and more do what you can and don't abuse your gifts. Spider-Man lives in New York, and it's impossible for him to be everywhere at once and stop every injustice that occurs, but he doesn't have to exploit the citizens either, and him making use of both his smarts and his spider powers isn't inherently wrong either both through Parker Industries and his heroism activities..

>>83606631
>Literally not understanding the basic motivation of a 53 year old character
The point is he should have stopped that guy, he didn't even need super powers. He was just being a dick because he thought he was hot shit for being on Ed Sullivan and beating a pro wrestler

>>83602748
The filthy dogs are rich bitchs who got said power wrongly. Its this type of mentality that makes filthy hicks love their facist bitch god and the thieving rich.

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>>83606933
So you want pedophiles to run your economy and be above everyone else?

>>83602981
The rich are theh undeserving cunts who only stumbled upon said wealth like blind rats, and must be feed into the jaws of progress.

>>83602748
>>83602981

objectivists should be put to death

>>83606933
I for one welcome our new Borgia overlords.

>>83606995
>all dictatorships are pedophillic
Wat.

>>83607044
He's mocking the Catholic Church's problem with pedophile priests.

>>83606971
>>83607003
marx pls

>>83607109
But the argument was for their dictatorial election system, not their religious or sexual practices.

>>83606933
>A dictatorship with a similar election system as that of the Vatican

A group of appointed governors who cast a secret ballot for a position that has zero qualifications in regards to the people they represent, that is heavily factionalized, and so wrapped up in external politics that candidates from the USA, Canada, and Western Europe are more or less de facto barred?

>>83607158
You shouldn't have brought up the Vaticunt, mate.

>>83607217
Better than letting the people rule.

>>83602802

Fucking beat me to it.

>>83602981
Jeez dude you could write Red Skull

>>83604687
Why can't definitions define themselves? :D

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>>83602748
It's funny because the people who think like this are usually, regardless of their social status; those who have never actually worked for anything in their lives or have gone though any struggle by leeching off from their parents, siblings and friends.

>>83607564
Baseless assertion.

>>83602818
I hate this shit. The protesters Pete shouted at fucking deserved it, they were cunts.

>>83605249
Then why aren't more fags Hindu?

>>83607590
Considering that is how Ayn Rand lived most of her life it isn't that far off the mark as far as the founder goes.

>>83603185
please tell me you have a source for this because that sounds amazing

>>83602748
Your shpiel sounds great to the uneducated retards of /pol/, but in the real world the way things really work is that your lazy fat ass gets surrounded and murdered. Rugged individualism loses to pragmatic collectivism every time.

The wealthy and the power have far more to lose in a dog-eat-dog society than they have to gain, which is why they spend so much money making sure the poors are happy enough to not revolt.

>>83602748
Go back to bed Trump.

>>83604982
60% of arrestees in the US are white. I think the real lesson here is that anyone can be an asshole

>>83602748
This thread is edge.

>>83608325
Being Russian will do that to you.

>>83606933
Where is proof?

>>83606658
What if no one let's you stop said bad thing?

What if everyone is so convinced that said bad thing is so beneficial, they would even fight you to protect it?

What if you get your reputation ruined for fighting said bad thing, only to have society finally admit it was bad while you're in captivity?

Wouldn't continuously fighting said no longer good thing now make you a hypocrite?

>>83608709
>What if everyone is so convinced that said bad thing is so beneficial, they would even fight you to protect it?
What are you talking about?

>>83603729
If he invented infinite energy then he pretty much ruined the world economy.

>>83607590
correction; anecdotal evidence. I know a lot of people who think like this and all of them fit my description; the one I've seen work the most to get anything was this guy who, once his parents started divorcing, teamed up with his mother to take all the wealth an properties away from his father and transferred directly to him. Some of them (and most people I know) have the belief that everyone who has more than them earned it by cheating/scamming/inheritance and everyone who has less than them is because they don't work enough.
It is also just how the trend goes with every person who fervently defends a political stance; they are exactly what they hate or they benefit indirectly from that policy they want to take down. For example; there's people who, of all the things they could nitpick about socialism, what they criticize of it is "how come that someone who works less than me is going to earn the same money as I do, that's unfair and that's why communism is shit" completely ignoring the fact that almost every person in the vicinity who works less than them actually earns more. Same way you've got the "liberals" who are always "supporting" communism on the internet from their 20k dollar Facebook machines, drinking their overpriced coffee and not sparing a coin to the homeless guy they found on the way to uni (not to mention they are also completely ignorant of what communism really is about, anyway).

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>>83603450
Kek, that actually got me.

>>83608768
I should have said empirical instead of anecdotal, oh well.

>>83608765
Ruining the world economy and collapsing society leading to the deaths of countless millions was his ultimate goal though

>>83605866
Literally?

>>83602748
I just noticed how neat his hairline is for a guy his age.

>>83608970
Maybe he styles the hairline with nair or something.

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>>83602981
fits surprisingly well

>>83602748
Go to sleep, Apocalypse.

>>83602981
Ok, definitely using that for a supervillain rant.

>>83609403
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anon you just made my afternoon

>>83609403
Fucking hell anon, this is amazing.

>>83602981
>[Unsolicited opinions on Israel]

>>83602981
I want AnCaps to go.

>>83602981
>Rand was right
>We need a fascist dictatorship
Those 2 statements are contradictory, Rand hated all forms of government

>>83608768
wow that giy sounds like a cunt.

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>>83609403
Top kek.

Summer. Summer is here.

>>83607231
The Vatican is fine, mate.

>>83609963
They should just shut that pyramid scheme down and turn it into a shelter for homeless people.

How often has Spiderman's identity been revealed to the public in canon?

>>83610274
Once, during Civil War, but then Dr. Strange used a spell to make everyone forget except for MJ and Kaine.

>>83610337
You know, everything always resetting to the status quo is what keeps me from reading cape comics. I don't get the appeal of such a static formula.

>>83610386
Poor quality control over something that shouldn't be a soap opera.

>>83602981
All these assmad peons responding, it's hilarious.

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>>83610386
Spider-Man keeps reverting to the status quo, but other characters not so much.
In fact, the X-Men have the opposite problem, their status quo keeps changing all the time and there's so much continuity and stuff that it makes it really hard for new readers.

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>>83610488
ITT:irony

>>83604895
Didn't he train dogs to rape people?

>>83603474
Neither did most of the rich people now, they're related to people who did!

>>83610456
>something that shouldn't be a soap opera.
Wait why shouldn't it?
It's been that since long before you picked comics up.

>>83610632
>he thinks the majority of the rich were born into wealth
Shows how ignorant you are.

>>83605879
Shut it!

>>83610456
>capes
>shouldn't be a soap opera

Hahaha what?

>>83610682
Depending where you put the arbitrary threshold for "rich", he could be correct.

>>83610649
It's probably just me. I just find it trite and cynical that drama has to be forced, like a jump scare in a horror movie to keep things 'interesting'.

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Is this Pol or Co I'm, confused

>>83610775
in /pol/ this would hardly be a discussion; everyone there blindly agrees to one side of the argument.

>>83610829
You act like /pol/ is an echo chamber

>>83610759
Yeah but... that's what they are.
If you aren't into that then don't read cape comics, but don't ask for something to change to suit you.
You don't see me bitch about how some TV show I don't like should feature more lesbians making out or whatever, I just don't watch.

>>83610865
Not him but it's not that far off. There's a large and vocal majority, although there are dissenting voices they're clearly not that numerous or representative.

>>83610880
I don't read a lot of cape comics. I like some of the one shots and separate stories, but in general I find the genre to be pretty stale and rigid because of the soap opera format.

>>83603450
This is what reddittors find funny

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It sure is spooky in here.

>>83611388
You should train away that one track mind of yours.

>>83604988
A location can cause statistics? What in the world are you babbling about?

>>83609403
Nice work, Anon.

>>83602748
OK Donald Trump

>>83609403
>DESPICABLE
I fucking lost it. You did good anon, you did good.

Based OP, red pilling all these NEETs

>>83609403
Too perfect.

>>83614806
Hey, OP.

>>83610865
I've been there.It almost always is. It's essentially a hugbox for racists.

>>83614875
It's just satire, dude.

>>83614934
Pretty dedicated satirists then.

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>>83602748

>latverian posters migrating from /pol/

>>83614934
Any community...fake Rene Descartes quote, etc.

>>83602748
Red Skull go to bed you're day drinking and shit posting.

>>83614875
And /co/ is a hugbox for liberals yet I go on /pol/ for shitposts and expect to go on /co/ for discussion on cartoons and comics.

>>83616282
>And /co/ is a hugbox for liberals
Have you seen what threads when the newest Marvel race/gender swap are like? /co/ isn't a hugbox for anybody, it's the intersection of tumblr and /pol/

>>83602981
Uh, no, you are wrong. The rich don't create jobs, the middle and lower class who create the demand and the supply, create jobs. Henry Ford knew this reality, because an economy is ecosystemic, not a pyramid where the elite contribute the most and the poor contribute the least.

The real producers and innovators do not =/= the rich. Sure, sometimes those spheres do cross over, but there have been plenty of brilliant innovators who have died poor, and plenty of idiots who were born rich, and kept or amplified their riches.

>>83602748
Just started reading some Nietzsche for the first time, OP?

Genealogy of Morality is bretty gud

>>83602748
So let's just let society crumble, because working together and accepting that even the poor contribute something is bad, and might makes right.

Generally, it's the powerful stealing from those below them.

>>83615252
What is going on with Latveria now anyway? Weak ass bullshit about the US putting in a 'stable democracy' is boring, is Doom back yet?

>>83605383
Well, considering that the lower and middle class drive the economy, then it is in the best interests of a society to ensure they can.

Being born into poverty isn't something anyone chooses, being poor is not a choice. Idiots think that the problem can be solved by just giving them free shit, while people who actually understand how things work know that by educating the poor, and giving them useful skills, we can improve productivity and everyone wins. The poor are not a drain, they are an investment, and require smart management.

>>83616812
>being poor is not a choice
For some it is.

>>83616893
Who makes the choice to be poor? Hermits? Monks? Usually what people mean by "choosing" to be poor, they mean people making poor decisions due to a lack of education and knowledge, or due to their normally correct or reasonable decisions being fucked over by the outside economic climate, or a variety of other factors that are entirely, or partially outside of their control. It is relatively rare to find someone who purposely made decisions, possessed education and knowledge required to understand the effects of those decisions, and then became poor.

>>83617049
>they mean people making poor decisions
Some people are stupid. How do stupid people deserve to not be poor? That's just natural selection.

>>83617140
Stupidity is not always an innate thing. How do stupid people deserve not to be poor? Well, they deserve a chance to get out of poverty, an education, and an ability to provide for themselves. If someone is just naturally completely idiotic, well, they are still useful to society and can provide manual labor. The only completely useless people are those who are so disabled that they literally cannot contribute in any way whatsoever, and even then, we should support them, because we can.

>>83604085
non-american here, what the hell is a "sanctuary city"?

>>83604206
>when you're half-Korean
He's also half-hispanic, you are going to say they are privileged too?.

>>83617049
My mom hasn't talked to her family for years because they almost live entirely off the dole with some side cash from petty crime, pop out shitty kids while drinking and smoking cigs at the very least through the entirety of the pregnancy. The only time I've ever seen them was a scare tactic when I started smoking weed with friends in middle school and the filth and squalor they choose to live in set me straight fast.

I'm not saying all poor people are like this and I'm not saying that this is the baseline people revert to in a welfare state but these people do not deserve the money they get or the lifestyle they live, not all poor are there because they are misunderstood or never had a chance. Some are just fuckups who are determined to be fuckups and will actively attempt to drag others down with them.

>>83617324
So don't just hand out money then. Give them jobs that teach them skills, educate them, give them a chance. If they refuse, then there is nothing you can do. Take their kids away from them and at least try and give them a better chance at life. Condemning all poor people is not the solution.

>>83617286
A sanctuary city is one that won't report illegals to immigration authorities when discovered.