Is wonderwoman a feminist?

>>83571718
Yes, but you shouldnt let that ruin her for you as a character.

>>83571718
Yes, in the actual definition of the word.

>>83571718
>>83571778
I thought she was all about actual matriarchy?

Which kind of feminist are you talking about? The kind who is trying to fight for equal rights along with men or those taking up and twisting the cause for totalism?

>>83571820
Yeah, feminism

She comes from a culture populated solely by women. Her being a feminist is understandable. A FemNazi not so much.

>>83571718
Yes. But I imagine most female superheroes are.

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>>83571718
>Is Wonder Woman a feminist?
.... I feel drunk right now. I wasn't aware this particular breed of stupidity actually existed.

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>>83571718
This is going to turn into a fight again.

She used to be about matriarchy, when shes written well now she's generally about equality/the politics don't play a big part.

Sometimes she talks about cringey shit like mansplaining, just check what the book is about first.

She's an actual feminist who stands to give everyone equal rights, not some crazy landwhale who makes posts on tumblr about drinking cis tears

>>83571718
Well,she does dress like a whore and isn't fat so I guess not.

>>83571718
What gets to me
What really GETS to me
Is that Wonder Woman is a warrior and defender of love.
Love is strong. Love can be healing. In a way, it even ties into her dominance and submission origins because love is the ultimate form of submission, you're submitting a piece of your soul to another human being to care and respect.

But I guess love just isn't that "cool" nowadays.

>>83571887
> just check what the book is about first.

Kinda like the whole Deadpool rape thing. Came off as "a har-har men rape! Comedy gold!" until someone story timed it which made a much clearer picture.

>>83571888
>She's an actual feminist who stands to give everyone equal rights

You know nothing about feminism do you?

>>83571820
This is correct. She wants to replace the patriarchy with the matriarchy. You fucking cis-scum opressor

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>>83571990
She did once for the sake of horny fan boys. Someone will always wiggle their way into writing her as fapbait.

>>83571999
Deadpool got raped? Or did he finally rape spiderman?

>>83571869
Is that a yes or a no?

The real question here, is whether she is a Black Feminist or White Feminist.
>yes this is a thing now.

>>83572042
I would submit to her ways in a heartbeat.

>>83571718
Her view on the sexes isn't that far off from ours, her bondage cult is basically a kinky version of women calming men the fuck down through sex, something they have been supposed to do since the 17th century.

That she naturalizes the subjugation of men by arguing in favour of the superior fitness (in the darwinian sense) of women marks her status as a member of some wierd cult on par with folks who believe in aliens or homeopathy though.

But which version are you talking about? She isn't always about feminism, plenty of them are about her warrior-status, which puts her in the same class as Red Sonja.

>>83572072
Typhoid Mary fucked Deadpool by pretending to be someone he actually loved. Doesn't really seem like rape but in the end he ended up getting her medical help for her fucked up deranged ways.

>>83572139
No that's definitely rape.

>>83572055
This would offend Starfire.

>>83572139
It would probably be considered rape if a man did that to a woman, so equality dictates...

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Do feminists ahegao?

>>83572225
Someone would have to have sex with one to find out, and that's not happening.

>>83571718
Well there are two definitions of that word.
One, the dictionary definition. In a nutshell, wanting legal, economic and social equality for men and women.
Two, the self-identified definition, a social movement of which anyone can claim membership.
They are not interchangeable, so beware of equivocation fallacy. The self-identified definition is the one typically used when criticizing Feminism.

If the dictionary definition is true, then some people within the social movement called Feminism are objectively NOT feminists, because they don't share the characteristics of that definition, and MRAs are simply the other side of the feminist coin. All they want is for men to have the rights that women currently have.

Since your picture shows Wonder Woman implying it's bad for a man to explain things, that puts her squarely in the social movement called Feminism, but against the dictionary definition, because equality means a person's gender should never be used to silence or belittle them.

I hope that answer was sufficient.

Makes you think, huh?

I'm a #Thinker now.

>>83572244
He just explained it
>>83572139

>>83572249
>All they want is for men to have the rights that women currently have.

They aren't trying to get pregnant hard enough, if that's the case.

>>83572055
Are there whores on themascara?

>>83571718
Ww has been a feminist since the 60's, but what that means varies from believing women shoul be able to vote all the way to man hater.

>>83571718

Yes, but I can't imagine her ever saying "mansplaining" except maybe as part of a corny joke.

Women fought for equal rights to vote, for education, jobs, and even to fight in the war (civil war exp).

It's sad how twisted the definition has become to fit a bunch of dumb asses who claims equality, but is really claiming supremacy.

>>83571994
hippy!

>>83572379
She did. She is pretty cringeworthy the last few years.

>>83571994
But femimism is about hate not love. Hate for men, hate for society. Hate for themselves.

>>83572379
The term was used wrong in the scene the crop is from, The dude was just being an asshole.

But then again, this is capeshit we're talking about. Writers' loved ones are probably tortured by the editors every time the writers don't fuck up.

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>>83572342
you tell me

>>83572514
>that deer fursuit
A degenerate society.

>>83572476
No, you see labelling things, and blaming an entire sex or race for oppressing you is love.

Hate would be something like recognizing how it's often the rich and privileged who oppress the poor and underprivileged, and take all aspects of race and sex out of it.

Who would do something like that? A real Marxist, yeah right what we need is more Critical Theory.

>>83572342
Whores has a negative connotation in our society towards women while players have a positive towards men. So it's probably in reverse there.

>>83572527
The scene is a reference to a bondage vore game they used to play probably every other weekend during Marston's run.

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>>83572496
>explaining your p.o.v is being an asshole.

>Does Wonder Woman fight for equal rights between men and women?

nah bro she aint into that shit

I expected this thread to go straight to shit right off the bat. OP should of waited until school was out.

>>83571820
Who wouldn't be?
Are you telling me you wouldn't like a patriarchy?

>>83572600
Free speech is wrong Anon. You need to apologize to my feefees now.

>>83572649
Hell no, why would I want that?

>>83572657
>feefees

The only time I've seen this word was from black girls on twitter and Facebook. Don't bring that shit here.

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Not sure if i should make a new thread, but anyway, how many of you plan on seeing the ww movie?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10423245
Also, theh got one ugly ass bitch to play her. I wonder if it was on purpose.

>>83572669
Because you're male
Come on, stop pretending, it's not like your gf is watching

>>83572777
>yes, no, yes alternative

I choose option D. Don't see it at all. Getting tired of all these cape movies flooding theaters.

>>83572825
Well you could choose no.

>>83572782
But I'm a sub.

>>83572782
Depends how strictly defined the male values are.

I doubt anyone on 4chan would do that great in a patriarchy.

If it was just like reverse-quotas, and free hand-outs maybe, but solely out of self-interest.

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>>83572342
it's complicated
they are of a warrior tradition, so everyone can fight for what they want, but they're also all about sisterhood
which means if you need 'release' beyond what you can achieve alone all you need to do is ask for a helping hand
at the same time, lets say, you want someone in particular that isn't interested
if you challenge them in combat, refusal tends to result in lowering of social status, and win then you can force them to wash the carpets or whatever else you want for a time

there are some Amazons that are just weaker than others
for ease of life they try to become best sisters with a stronger female that's nice to them
if not they'll be at the mercy of the community in general
getting used so often tends to impart skill at it '

so, yes, they do, but not really

>>83572600
The whole scene happened because he was smart enough to realize that she wouldn't care for his opinion on that particular subject, so he found way to hassle her.

He was being an asshole and he kept on digging his grave when he could've shut up anytime as the lasso doesn't force people to speak, it just prevents them from not speaking their minds.

>>83571848
>>83571718
The latter obviously.

Moder feminism is cáncer, no wonder they re-re booted the DC Universe after the shit52

>>83571994
I think that people disagree with Marstons definition of submission because he kinda advocated slavery in his form of submission.

It comes down to if you see freedom or "submission" as a greater love. Or if you exist outside that whole dichotomy and see it as stuff for degenerates and the sexually repressed.

It's kinda why I hate how love in the English language encompasses everything from friendships between gender, to a sibling, between spouses, to devotion, to fucking, and to whatever you want to call love.

>>83572041
Yes anon, feminism began with third wave feminism. That's why it's called third wave feminism.

Are you fucking happy now that I agree with you?

>>83572899
Again, she tied him up and he is the asshole for speaking his mind? Yep, definitely feminism

>>83572947
1st Wave feminism was NOT about equal rights, they were just as man hating as modern feminists

>>83572887
Is this a thing? Because.it gave me a serious boner. Does that mean rape is basically ok for amazons?

>>83573004
> hey were just as man hating

Can you really blame them? Men treated women at the time like dumb little maidens who are incapable of any science or medical degree. " Female hysteria" was considered a medical disorder and are usually laughed at if a women tries to stand up for her self.

>>83573124
Found the tumblr immigrant

>compels truth

So his mansplanation is true?

>>83573124
Also as a women at the time you HAD to get married or you'll have no future in society.

>>83573164
Found the muslim immigrant.

>>83573166
It is his truth.

>>83573239
>an almost universal belief is muslim
Top kek.

>>83573166
No, it makes you confess, it doesn't make you tell the magic One Truth Of All.

>>83573281
It is to Muslims. The Quran got a lot about treating women like dirt rugs.

>>83571718
In the dictionary definition sense, yes since the entire point of her was exploring the outside world in a effort to prove that men could be as 'perfect" as the amazons.
In the screeching at the top of her lungs about privilege sense? No but many modern feminists expect her to be that and in some cases try to write her that way.
It should be noted that her original creator actually intended her to be a example of women inherently being better than men or something similar but that aspect didn't really stick around when other people started writing her.

I like to think of her as what a captain america analogue to feminists in that she represents what a feminist should strive for but not necessarily what they are.

>>83573388
So you are a muslim?

>>83571820
Except many versions of her find the amazon way of life lacking.
Hell in many incarnations her initial goal of taking Steve back to the mainland was to prove to them that men are not as bad as they say.

>>83573375
So it's crimethought instead?
Why is exposing your most private, intimate thoughts not considered mind rape?

Guys, I'm gonna' let ya' in on a big secret. Comic Book characters are portrayed differently based on the writer.

Are your minds blown?

>>83573414
Hell no. I like my freedom.

>>83573166
Nah, it's his opinion on the subject, which he refused to broach to the women in question when he was not tied.

>>83573430
Yes, but quite a few qualities tend to be relatively consistent, unless the writer wants to subvert that.

>>83573423
Because you're an idiot.

>>83572983
Well, he was asking for it.

>>83572342
Their entire population?

>>83573509
This. If you live on no-man land you are either a butch super warrior or a sex toy for one.

>>83573448
The only thing consistent with WW is that she always goes for the neck.

>>83573541
So uh... is there like an all men version of this world? I like to know. For reasons.

>>83573541
>implying they're mutually exclusive
They are descendants of ancient greeks, chances are the sex toys are just the apprentices of the older warriors.

>>83571888
>muh scotsman
Feminism was never, ever about equality.

>>83573541
Well all this thread has taught me is that an all-women matriarchy is still worse than our modern day. """patriarchy"""

If Wonder-Woman was a true Scotsman... I mean real feminist, she would help all these oppressed women.

Has wonder woman gone to the middle east yet?

>>83573448
Not even costume designs are consistent.

>>83572220
It's absolutely considered rape if a woman does it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-34227497

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>>83573099
once again, it's complicated
you have to take into account who's involved and what was done

charming man woes amazon and takes her to bed. that's rape and the amazon's sisters can take his life unless the "victimized" amazon has enough status/strength to place him under her protection

strong man forces amazon into bed. that's rape and he's going to find out what his
huevos taste like when they feed them to him for breakfast. in this case you also have to look at the amazon as well. if she was one of their youths or not that strong in general that'll really call for vengeance and not only try to kill the man, but also his male siblings if he has any and his fathers as well. might just kill all the men in the guys community as well for good measure.
if the amazon was one of their stronger members they'll still thirst for vengeance, but they're going to question how she allowed that to happen. maybe she wasn't as strong as they thought she was.

if you have status and get raped by a man you'll lose some and if you have little and get raped then you gain sympathy

when Hippolyta got the H, there was quite talk is she should still be their queen

>>83573602
From what we've seen in this incarnation, theu basically have men (female) and women (female) except their men lack penises

>>83573829
Can women rape women though?

>>83573829
Stop. My penis enjoys this too much

>>83573947
That's bizarre

>>83573829
I wonder how pissy ww would get if i said herc was my hero.

>>83571718
>Mansplaining is the truth

Sounds more like something an MRA would say.

>>83572135
>Her view on the sexes isn't that far off from ours, her bondage cult is basically a kinky version of women calming men the fuck down through sex, something they have been supposed to do since the 17th century.

Way way longer than that, ever read Lysistrata?

ITS OK WHEN DC DOES IT

>>83573124
To be fair, women are pretty hilarious.

>>83574215
Not intentionally unfortunately

>>83572649
History shows that women tend to be warmongers and are much more ruthless than their male counterparts.
I'll stick to the patriarchy.

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>>83573829
SVU on Themascara wouldn't get past the pilot episode since there just isn't that much Amazon on Amazon crime of a sexual nature

if they need it they can just ask for it or make a challenge for it
causing physical harm beyond what arises from mock combat is deeply frowned upon. this disrupts the sisterhood of the community and reflects negatively on the mothers that raised you.
this will cause a loss in status and other social pressures will fall on the offender to curb their behavior: exclusions from hunts, always put on trash/guard duty, shunning during festivals, etc.
if they still don't get the message stronger Amazons will start challenging the rule breaker to give her a taste of her own medicine. if that doesn't work out the community as a whole will gather together wearing disguises and inflict a blanket party on the aberrant Amazon. as a last resort their is exile

in many ways Amazons are Drow minus the chaotic aspect

>>83574409
So basically if you are strong though, you can take whatever you want?

>>83574561
Themyscera is a paradise. You don't need to be strong to have whatever you want.

>>83574609
But if you want x cutie, and she says no, you can have x cutie as long as you can kick her ass. (And are an amazon)

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>>83574375
>History shows that women tend to be warmongers and are much more ruthless than their male counterparts.

Good thing to remember if you live in a primary state today.

>>83571718
What issue is that from?

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>>83574561
>>83574609
>>83574631
anon, that's always been the case in feudal societies

the Amazons believe in justice, equality, fairness, and enlightenment between Amazons (then women in general) or at least pay lip service to those creeds. they still know, however; without the strength to defend one beliefs they mean nothing

to them it's a zero sum equation of those that are strong and those that submit. Amazons for the most part are all of similar mental and psychical skill. so they are equals. those that are vastly superior is some way become their champions and leaders. those that are substandard are marginalized even while the group still calls them sisters. they're never slow to put those defects in their place either

don't forget that Hippolyta, their queen, is the daughter of Ares. which made her the strongest bitch on the island until her daughter showed up. peace through strength and the subjection of the weak is in her nature and thus in the other Amazons as well