JSA Storytime: Suicide Squad

>>83552182
We got a plot summary and name for Millar's new movie pitch today

Pretty sweet first cover today. That fucking vandal that keeps shooting up the title tho

>>83552182
HI OP

>>83552182
Hello Storyteller.

Yes, let's hope something actually happens in this event for once.

>>83552200
I'm kind of glad Millar has graduated into writing mediocre science-fantasy comics with good artists instead of all that edgy shit from years ago.

>Writer Mark Millar and artist Greg Capullo have announced Reborn, the creator-owned project that the pair has been working on for several months.

>Reborn stars Bonnie Black, an 80-year-old woman who finds herself in a fantasy world after she dies. The official synopsis reads as follows:

>“It’s not Heaven. It’s not Hell. It’s as real and hard as where we live now, but filled with the most amazing fantasy landscapes, jaw-dropping creatures and a battle raging between good and evil. The people she loved in this world — her father and her childhood dog — but oddly, not her husband who had passed over 14 years before. So she sets out to find him. She realizes that she has been reborn as a 25 year-old woman with a sword in her hand and gun on her hip.”

>Reborn was created with an eye to transitioning the project to film, with Millar telling Deadline that “the idea is always to create the project and then find the right producer for it. We have an idea of who would be good for this one. It must be someone who will understand the story and is passionate about bringing our vision to the screen.”

>Millar didn't specify the producer who he and Capullo had in mind for Reborn's planned film adaptation.

>The Hollywood trade says that Reborn will be published by MillarWorld, but didn't specific if that meant on it's own or through previous publishing deals as MillarWorld has done in the past with Image Comics, Dark Horse, Avatar Press, or Marvel's Icon imprint.

>Reborn is scheduled to debut in October, and run for six issues.

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>>83552225
HI ANON

So I just realized; is this Tec relaunch the first ever genuinely ensemble Batfam book? Like, not an antho, but almost everyone in the book proper?

>>83552182
https://twitter.com/TheBigBang_/status/739917095828393985
So glad this actually happened

>>83552259
>is this Tec relaunch the first ever genuinely ensemble Batfam book?
outside of minis and crossovers, I believe so?

>>83552248
>>Writer Mark Millar and artist Greg Capullo have announced Reborn

Kek.

>>83552259
I... Uh... Inc was a different kind of ensemble. You might be right.

Speaking of Millar he also has a DC or Marvel project coming up

>>83552259
Gotham Knights is the first I'd say did that

>>83552272
ahahahahaha sorry poe ahahahahahahahahha

It was very expensive. Like, $9?

>>83552305
>I'll never see another Japanese Batman story with Lord Death Husbando
Wish they'd just outsource some manga right, get some kind of jump subscription shit going. Would there be a market? That boom has passed, but I'd love to see genuine mangaverse product.

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>>83552295
>>83552305
You know what this means: the fandom watching is going to be goddamn amazing because every single detail is going to be pored over and christened OOC/not muh Tim/Cass/Steph/whatever, because Batfanon

>>83552272
I got mighty amused at Nick Spencer trying to argue "But it would have been $16 for all four issues separately!" The store is right that making it a #13 and not an Annual/Special was mean and cynical.

>>83552333
it was $9.99 for four issues of content

>>83552272
$10 bucks for one issue is fucking obscene, even if it's technically three issues

That's like the price of a 5-6 issue trade

>>83552259
Late 90s - pre Hush Batbooks featured anyone and everyone they could. Not that it was official or anything.

>>83552367
>You know what this means: the fandom watching is going to be goddamn amazing because every single detail is going to be pored over and christened OOC/not muh Tim/Cass/Steph/whatever, because Batfanon
I've ALREADY seen people whining over it because of this or that detail

also I bet a lot of Batfans are pissy that Jason and Damian and Dick aren't all in it too

>>83552357
Mozzy's Japan stuff was sooooooooooooooooooo dated. It was embarrassing.

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>>83552367
wait, why did he call Eiling a Colonel, he's a General

>>83552408
>>83552327
Ah, okay. But it's been a while then, yes?

>>83552409
And there are the "My Tim Drake hasn't been seen in years" holdouts, bless their hearts. (I do know their pain, but...you know...)

>>83552423
Isn't most of his stuff dated? Working with older references is typically what he does. I don't think that changes my perspective; it would be fun to see current Japanese creators do work with classic superhero characters. Look at Horikoshi - dude would kill it on X-Men.

>>83552409
I already know it's going to be full of Not Muh thanks to Tynion's previous work on Eternal so I'm just going to ignore it.

>>83552259
>Batman Family from the 70s
>Gotham Knights from 00s
>Batman Inc sort of?
>Rebirth 'Tec

That's all I can think of

>>83552357
They kinda ruined him when they made him Batman Japan. That first arc from incorporated was brilliant.

>>83552452
Eiling was a colonel at the very start of Captain Atom. Poor editorial checking?

>>83552367
Spencer has gone full Marvel retard. There's no saving him.
>movie synergy is great
>Writing gimmick without any substance is necessary
>Higher prices of Comics are justified

>>83552357

I picked up the Batmanga volume on a whim awhile back and fucking loved it. I'd love to see similar stuff from a more modern creator.

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>>83552504
Think so.

>>83552452
>And there are the "My Tim Drake hasn't been seen in years" holdouts, bless their hearts. (I do know their pain, but...you know...)
I know their pain too but I feel way less sympathetic about the Batfam because they get so much attention whatever grievances will be fixed eventually

Lesser characters, there is no guarantee of such

>>83552452
Well. If you're a Bat-only batfan and you're 100% mainstream, Tim and Steph's absences/changes/etc were Fan McFanface's first experience with that sort of thing. People gonna think their pain is special as often as they don't.

The Tim situation is pretty special in how bad it's been for so long, tho.

>>83552519
He used to be a politician, of course he's going to toe the party line.

>>83552409
Yeah I've seen some people pissy that Barbara, Jason, Damian, and Dick won't seem to be in it much or at all

Though 'Tec pretty much is the batfamily containment title right now and those people already have a book or two.

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>>83552538
>People gonna think their pain is special
Right, I know that pain and thus I have some sympathy to it, and yet the special pleading of the Batfam never fails to bring out my Schadenfreude side

>>83552519
>marvel definitely doesn't cancel things early and uses big books to subsidize smaller books
>why does dc gotta be like that tho

>>83552452
>Ah, okay. But it's been a while then, yes?
Well yes. People blame Snyder for not featuring Batfam enough in his run but the trend got popularized with Morrison.

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>>83552557
Some Batfam fans are not happy until each and every person has a solo, which even this Batmarket doesn't seem to support

pffft, oh Wade

>>83552468
It's dated in the sense that it's never anywhere near close to Japan as it was, or is. It's just Hollywood Japan As Randos See It.

Like, I don't feel the kind of instant authenticity that I do when Yang talks about China. Or when Writer X does their research and immerses themselves. That stuff, it was hollow, late-90s memes.

>>83552589
I just don't care that much about Batman desu. Same with Superman. Feels bad, but I'm more interested in other DC characters. I'm fond of some of the Bats/Supes supporting chars.

>>83552627
>which even this Batmarket doesn't seem to support
and thank fuck for that, there's more than enough Bat titles as is

>>83552630
Morrison treats his own country the same way.

>>83552630
what?

>>83552666
That's fair, but DC's Japan has very little prior lore. God, DC britland would be weird if it were pure Morrison.

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>>83552646
>>83552659
So the takeaway for me is, though, that this is gonna be entertaining on the "watching fandom" end.

that is one fucking dated Esther Williams joke, John

>>83552659

Speaking of which, I was really fucking happy to see Green Arrow break 90k.

Fucking hell, when was the last time we saw something that had NOTHING to do with Batman sell like that?

>>83552630
So like, try and get Atsushi Kaneko to do a Gotham ongoing.

>>83552589
The appearance of Mr. Freeze in Animal Man #26's Comic Book Limbo never fails to make me snort from a present-day perspective.

>>83552703
Same, it sounds like GA did really well

I hope the ongoing numbers can stay consistently high (obviously not around 90k but if it settled at like 40k that would be great)

>GREEN ARROW REBIRTH #1 sold out before going on the shelf. 600% more than GREEN ARROW #52.

>>83552678
It's an outsider's perception of what Japan is. I think that's what he's saying.

>>83552703
Beginning of the New 52, Green Lantern and Flash broke 100k.

>>83552723

What depresses me is that the New 52 attempted to give the Green Team a shot to get out of Limbo and they fucking wasted it.

>>83552703
I'm more interested in Bendis finally attracting some professional criticism and underperforming sales on a big event (maybe) and where that goes. I saw Kate Leth made a veiled jab at the She-Hulk death.

>>83552703
For Green Arrow, would the second printing count in that too or would it ship in July and just show up there? Interested in how this shit works.

But yeah, it's been a while for those kinds of numbers. I guess early new 52.

>>83552703
I hope it can stay at least 40k for the first arc or so

man the sun being out so long has me keep showing up late to these

>>83552755
>that month when Aquaman outsold almost everything from Marvel

>>83552790
kek, these come after midnight for me

>>83552751
If it could just do enough to sustain Percy and a decent art rotation for a year or two, it'd be more steady than GA's been in decades.

>>83552755
GL was one of DC's highest selling books for a while

I miss those days ;_;

If Green Arrow broke 90k I'm betting GLs did similar and I assume Flash will do well too

I am curious to see how GLs' sales compare to HJGLC's

>>83552804
>for the past few months Aquaman has been selling 20k

Come back Johns

>>83552703
Flash is definitely going to do upward of 120k. A lot of showfags got in on Rebirth hype and Flash is more interesting and has bigger audience. Plus Flash played big part in Rebirth too.

>>83552752
But, like...there's very little "Japan" in it...aside from the setting which Paquette actually did research for when he drew the issues.

>>83552825
>Hairy Jesters Grab Lebanese Cocks: How Baz Lost His Virginity

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>>83552790
I may move to 8 for high summer

>>83552761
Yeah, I wonder if that's what that was about

>>83552758
that book was bad.

>>83552761
I'm here, mostly because I think killing Marvel's eventseventsevents model would have a more salutary result than just more high sales for #1s.

>>83552804
>that month
>implying only one
it was a two part episode

>>83552889
I'm assuming. It's either that or what, Vampirella?

>>83552790
My house has been an oven for weeks now, and it's making it difficult to keep my computer cooled.

Fuck summer.

>>83552761
Yeah I'm seriously hoping CW2 underperforms. I'll feel bad for LCSes for ordering so much and people not buying it all, but events, especially ones shat out to just sell more copies, need to die

>I saw Kate Leth made a veiled jab at the She-Hulk death
link pls
Does that mean that Jen is really dead or was she jabbing at how piss poor it was written?

>>83552889
They wasted that Deasthroke cameo. How do you have a plot about renting Deathstroke and botch it?

>>83552703
I was surprised by how good it was. Thought it was just hyperbole around here. Also, Otto's art shocked me with how great it was. Didn't care for his past Marvel work, but he really stepped it up with GA.

>>83552889
>>83552930
It must be Shulkie and CWII

https://twitter.com/kateleth/status/739974070238740480

I wonder if they made her do a tie in or if it was voluntary

>>83552378
mostly just highlights how bad floppy prices have gotten. 3 floppies SHOULDN'T equal the cost of a trade and yet here we are

I'm so torn on actually putting money down for Rebirth and Flash tomorrow. I just don't trust dc enough to put down cash

>>83552761

I sympathize but i was also like you're writing a c-list hero book it's not hugely shocking? I guess that also proves the point/problem in the incestuous nature of Big 2 tho, like not listening to TNC about killing Rhodey

>>83552988
DC should really hire more dickgirl artists huh

>>83552991
Well, it was either going to be her or Pak, and Pak has seniority. Pak's probably going to get to pretend Jen didn't die.

>>83552959
>Does that mean that Jen is really dead
Are we just going to ignore the fact that while comics will be comics, in Marvel death truly holds no meaning? there were a bunch of dead characters roaming around the streets of New York out of the blue too...

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>>83552889
>>83552969
I don't know, but that earns you a spot in the comics all of shame

>>83552991
they had to make her do the tie-in, no way did she want to write that given the tone so far

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>>83553033
Pak's gonna have to write ded Bruce, maybe

>>83553023
If they've got a big porn fanbase and they can stick to a schedule, why not? Benes gets work.

You just have to use your imagination.

>>83553023
Nah. I wouldn't mind if they hired Incase for something though.

>>83553017
Did TNC actually say not to kill Rhodey? The quote I saw was ambiguous about the actual content of his thoughts on the matter.

What's gonna be really sad is when the tie in is the last issue of Hellcat.

How many books from the NOW launch have died? Angela, Weisman's, Red Wolf, ???

>>83553037
It's not like Hellcat has been particularly great with any of its characters. The art last issue was fucking savage too, I would have expected so much better from the artist.

>>83553099
African American Knight

>>83553066
I get the feeling it'll hurt less for him, he's had his share during Planet Hulk days.

>>83553099
>How many good books from the NOW launch have died

>>83553099
Illuminati

>>83553083
I'm guessing he said something like "hey maybe don't kill a black character as a shocker death, especially one that shows up in movies" and Alonso/Bendis/et al were like "lol ok whatever you say buddy"

>>83553099
Somebody on CBR made a list, dunno how complete it is

>All-New Hawkeye
>Angela Queen of Hel
>Black Knight
>Contest of Champions
>Guardians of Infinity
>Hercules
>Howling Commandos of S.H.I.E.L.D
>Illuminati
>Red Wolf
>Starbrand and Nightmask
>Weirdworld

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>>83553066
Let's see what Buy Pile Guy says, I haven't read him in a while:

>"Secret Six" #14 had some amazing moments -- a shocking turn, a fierce hand to hand conflict, shades of Paul Rudd at an airport -- but its treacly conclusion and saccharine sentiment didn't ring true.

>"Mighty Thor" #7 has the kind of artwork you'd expect to see in the sketchier parts of Artist Alley at less-than-reputable conventions. The story is a tedious digression filled with Loki aggrandizement that shows his planning but not his presence. This was rough going to get through.

>"We Are Robin" #12 covered some interesting ground as the shadow of Bruce Wayne sometimes harms the people he aims to protect. Along the way, we get a glimpse of breakout star Duke and once again see why he's the most interesting of this motley crew. Unfortunately, the plot's execution doesn't make it work, spending too long in a standoff and ending unsatisfyingly.

thoughts?

>>83553099
Hawkeye

>>83553111
A friend of mine liked it more than she'd expected because it went full slice-of-life manga instead of this kind of half-there; if you're gonna go, go all out, etc.

>>83553144
what good books?

>>83553164
They would have been right to ignore that, because no characters should get death immunity.

>>83553111
I don't know who to blame for how static the art feels. There's so much "stand around talking" non-action that you'd really have to get JLI on it to keep critical eyes engaged.

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>>83553169
that's pretty brutal

>>83553136
>>83553169
>>83553172

is it weird that doesn't feel like that many to me? and like none of those are getting a relaunch.

>>83553172
>shades of Paul Rudd at an airport
I have no idea what this means

>>83553213
It doesn't feel like that many cause they had like 70+ books to begin with and they were cancelled over the course of many months

11 books is pretty big number to cancel regardless but I get why it doesn't feel like that many

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>>83553211
I am warming up to this Peacemaker because he really is fucking insane

>>83553213
Hawkeye's pretty much been slated for a go at a Kate book, yawn

>>83553245
Neither do I

does anyone actually find Duke the breakout character?

>>83553213
How is that not a lot? especially when you consider the fact that some ended after just 5 issues?

>>83553213
well it's like a dozen out of what? 70 books or so?

they were the "scraping the bottom of the barrel" books

>>83553169
Hawkeye is dead? Thank fuck.

>>83553172
>>83553211
Duchess is great. The art feels very kinetic here, I think it's because it takes a slightly longer gap between panels and switches perspective quite often? Same deal here: >>83552889

>>83553169
You ever think that comic publishers, the big 2 at least, ever consider just giving up?

They try something new, it doesn't sell, people bitch. They try the same stuff, it doesn't sell, people bitch. At some point, one has to get tired of this bullshit.

>>83553213
Compare it to the number of DCYou books given fewer than 12 issues within the same time frame.

>>83553288
They're probably going to kill Clint or write him off in CWII and then relaunch Hawkeye starring Kate, as per the rumors

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>>83553293
JKS3 is good stuff on layouts

>>83553265
I'm fine with a Kate book, really. Give me the Songbird/Hawkeye SHIELD team-up while you're doing it and we can have Hawkeye, not Hawkguy, again.

>>83553265
I think he's perfectly fine for what he is, haven't seen enough of him to form enough of an opinion. I just think the batfamily was too big before him anyway. The hate he gets on /co/ is really fucking stupid though

>>83553265
I woudn't really consider Duke a breakout character but people are more indifferent to him than they are Harper lol

>>83553288
You know remember that Kate will get a solo with Marvel Nower after Bendis fucks up Clint again

>>83553315
DC's "New Coke/Coke Classic" deal with New 52/Rebirth seems to be working for now

it's a temporary thing but that's about all they can ask for now

although

>>83553169
>Cancepocalypse

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>>83553315
Brevoort is clearly a shadow of his Thunderbolts-era self

>>83553329
I am fine with anything that buries Hawkguy; it has happened, it can be done and we can move on, people can cuddle their omni, etc.

>>83553282
God, they botched Herc's marketing so bad. I don't think it would have escaped 18 regardless, but if they just acknowledged they have treasure trove of bisexual bara goodness on their hands they could have captured maybe a thou or two more bodies who were already buying the Pink Aisle stuff.

>>83553353
>although
whoops. although even when sales on floppies are low they're still bringing in millions of dollars plus DC in particular has a nice trade cushion going on

>>83553335
Yeah I don't really care about Duke so far cause he hasn't been in much. I liked his interactions with Damian in Robin War so I at least know King can write him okay. And Duke seems to be what Tim was over a decade ago.

>>83553353
I really fucking hope that the books launched in a few months (LOSH, Shazam, etc) don't flop.

>>83553265

Depends on the team for Hawkingbird book for me.

and Duke's fine.

>>83553318

dc had the 12 issue promise so i don't know if it's comparable.

>>83553269

bc marvel shotgunned books at us. percentages would be the better thing.

I didn't read any of the cancelled books so I wonder which were clearly stealth minis

>>83553321
Good luck selling that. On a similar note I think Marvel is going to do a big relaunch within a year and do away most of the legacy characters if DC's meat and potatoes relaunch is a huge success. Which so far seems like it is.

>>83553374
Herc/Gil definitely had mileage.

>>83553353
New Coke was a advertising error, everyone preferred it in taste tests but they hated the idea of change. The formula they're using now isn't the original and no one cares because they changed it silently.

>>83553172
>that panel

Someone is overcompensating~

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>>83553415
that shattered NOW! logo makes one wonder if it's not time to revert revert beep boop

>>83553402
I get the impression Marvel's 'we'll try anything' approach to books isn't very kindly communicated at the creator end.

>>83553374
No kidding, people who might have bought it on that basis totally wrote it off the second Alonso said "Herc's not bi" and didn't give it a second glance, despite the bara goodness that came from it

>>83553402
>dc had the 12 issue promise so i don't know if it's comparable.
After they saw how bad everything was performing, they broke it. Online complaining saved Omega Men.

>>83553415
I was just thinking that.

They're definitely going to see how Miles, Sam, and Jane stand against Peter, Steve, and Thor, and if they stop selling as well then they'll probably cancel them and let the originals go on.
Except for Miles because Bendis.

>>83553420
I strongly doubt Abnett would have objected if they asked him to tack the book for shores homo, he's perfectly comfortable with the gay.

I would laugh forever if they did an actual reboot, especially a year after Secret Wars

>>83553442
I think Brevoort might kill himself if Dick Rider comes back.

>>83553415
I've seen a few people speculating that Marvel's going to bring back the more "iconic" figures, and with Rebirth doing so well I would not be surprised at all

>>83553397
>I really fucking hope that the books launched in a few months (LOSH, Shazam, etc) don't flop.
I just hope they put great creative teams on them... I suspect Reis will be on Shazam, he's not doing anything right now, is he?

>>83553469

Miles is gonna be around as long as Bendis is and Thor is already jumping between Thors.

>>83553477
So you're saying we need to bribe Ewing to give us Dick, ASAP.

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>>83553477
I don't think my sigil magic can accomplish THAT

Oh my god, he's Judge Death, sssinnersss

>>83553469
Jane Thor is staying because of Aaron too.

>>83553502
Reis was apparently working on Seven Seas with Johns from a tweet a while back, and he and Fabok were apparently working on something with Johns.
But now that Johns is gone, who knows what he'll do.

>>83553496

So X-Men and F4?

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>>83553507
I just want to know if Aaron's ever going to answer the inciting question, because that's the kind of shit you have to eventually pay up on.

>>83553524
He lacks the true charm of the alien superfiend IMO. That Megala deviation panel seems ripe for /d/.

>>83553524
FIFTY YEARS IN THE oh hey, turned you into a snake

>>83553540
They're not iconic, otherwise they'd be in movies :^)

>>83553524
>SURELY NO ONE COULD'VE SURVIVED THAT

I really hope Kobra isn't stupid enough to fall for that.

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>>83553555
LOL

>>83553353
Rebirth as a whole seems like DC saying "Yeah, can we call a mulligan on this one? Sorry.". This is most obvious with Wondy, where they just straight up gave her title to one of her most acclaimed previous writers.

>comes out this week
Please let it be good.

>>83553397
>I really fucking hope that the books launched in a few months (LOSH, Shazam, etc) don't flop.
There's nothing to even speculate on with those books. Is DC crazy/stupid enough to reboot the Legion yet again?

>>83553536
Gone for good it seems. If he's not going to be on Shazam then I don't see him returning to JSA or...maybe he'll be on LoSH?

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>>83553586

>tfw marvel will copy everything from Rebirth if it works out
>more double shipping and "back to the basics"
>everything except the fucking price

IT'S TRUE ANONS YOU KNOW IT

>>83553550

I feel he's got too but it's also so much of a plot device for this new story I dunno. Maybe he can tie it into what Thor has been up too and the various flashback issues.

The weakest part of the Thor run was the mystery anyway.

>>83553611
>each new issue will increase in price!

>>83553592
>Rebirth as a whole seems like DC saying "Yeah, can we call a mulligan on this one? Sorry."

It's funny because Johns talking about how the New 52 devastated the DCU's penchant for legacy and history and relationships between superheroes (not just in the romantic sense!) is exactly what I've been complaining about since about 2012.

It's not even that the reboot erased a lot of that either, it's the fact that nothing really sprouted up in its absence to replace it. For five years we just got, well.. stagnation in terms of setting building.

>>83553611
Spencer's doublethink on double-shipping was pretty amusing.

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>>83553611
they need some new writers pretty badly just to spread things out more; I'm a bit surprised how little of the SW minis/other minis talent has 'graduated', I admit

>>83553592
>Is DC crazy/stupid enough to reboot the Legion yet again?
I don't envy whoever has to figure out what the fuck to do with the LOSH

Just roll with Retroboot? Do a hard reboot? Do a soft reboot? Make, dare I say, new characters?

>>83553611
That and events.

>>83553592

>Is DC crazy/stupid enough to reboot the Legion yet again?

It would be pretty Legion if they were the one team in Rebirth that got a reboot and not a return to fan favorites. (biting tongue about joke about fan favs always been cis-white dudes)

>>83553658
>Make, dare I say, new characters?

There are so many characters in the Legion already I don't see much of the point of making a whole roster of OCs.

>>83553611
Marvel did a 3.99 weekly. They'll do 3.99 or 4.99 double shipping without batting an eye

>>83553639
>It's not even that the reboot erased a lot of that either, it's the fact that nothing really sprouted up in its absence to replace it. For five years we just got, well.. stagnation in terms of setting building.
That was my big issue too, I am not opposed to wiping stuff out but you need something worthwhile to replace it. Too many things were lost and in 5 years there was not nearly enough to make that worth it

>>83553592
>There's nothing to even speculate on with those books.

I want to speculate because I'm thirsty as fuck

I kinda want Simone to come back and write Atom for Ryan

>>83553656
The berserker attitude on display here is inspiring. If they're weak, they're worms. If you might actually die, it just gets exciting. Best girl.

>>83553592
It would be nice if we could get a mulligan on the gargaryeans, too. God, how dense do you have to be to kill all the men in the book who're the diametric opposite of everything bad about men's world?

They were a gift for how to solve the men problem, you have men who don't do war and have never done war.

>>83553611
Double ship with $4 price tag won't work. It works on Spider-Man or Avengers, won't translate well throughout the line.

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>>83553615
It is--I read a lot of epic fantasy wherein the backstory mysteries are plot drivers, and if it's done well it's fantastic, but I think he bungled it pretty badly with the WHO IS THOR? drag out, although maybe he had to do that because it's so clear that the timing got botched on Secret Wars pausing everything and the relaunches.

HI NATE

>>83553697
Building from scratch is really hard, especially in modern comics business setups.

>I WILL DESTROY THE WORLD AND REMAKE IT IN MY IMAGE
Kobra is the lamest fucking villain.

>>83553524
>>83553555
I really gotta read some Judge Dredd one of these days. Anderson is like an edgier Saturn Girl, I swear.

>>83553639
Flash is a good example of this. The whole Flash family got obliterated...and nothing was made to take its place.

>>83553711
>Simone - Atom
>Orlando - JSA
>King - LOSH
>Jeff Parker - Shazam

y/y?

>>83553738
>Building from scratch is really hard, especially in modern comics business setups.

That's what made Robinson jumping ship and/or getting screwed on Earth 2 so painful. It looked like we were going to get something built from scratch and then it all got ruined.

>>83553747
Dredd is a comic that has been unusually loyal to its history, so it's fun to read. Not that things never get rewritten, and man there are some bad Dredd stories.

>>83553738
>Building from scratch is really hard, especially in modern comics business setups.
it is extremely hard, but in the new 52's case it still had the vagueness of "is this canon or not?" to work with and even disregarding the lack of supporting cast they had a lot of opportunities to make new friendships between existing heroes but beyond Black Lightning & Blue Devil and Ollie & Buddy we didn't get anything fun or new there either

>>83553773
Yes yes.

>>83553755

It seems like Manabooch was trying to build up a good supporting cast at first, but they all got squandered or killed unceremoniously by the time the Reverse Flash arc rolled around.

>tfw we're gonna have to deal with more Lighting Saga type bullshit with Legion in the past before getting a book again

plz Saturn Girl just be like "yeah we had a crazy fight with a blue guy but I blocked it from memory. now i gotta get back to the future"

there was a funny bit in the Hard Traveling Heroes storytime where Hal was like "I don't need to protect fucking Saturn's moons are the guardians high"

>>83553732
>Avengers
>New Avengers
>Secret Avengers
>Uncanny Avengers
>Spider-man
>Spectacular Spider-man
>Spider-Gwen
Plenty of titles they could double ship

>>83553780
At least Abnett and DC knows that people didn't like what came after Robinson. Or at least after Taylor.
He's made the book readable imo so all he has to do for me now is get rid of all the bat and super characters.

>>83553794
>Black Lightning & Blue Devil

I'm still really sad that we never got more of those two.

Man that was a fun team-up.

I'm hoping Millar's DC project is something along the lines of Snyder's All Star Batman. All Star Lois and Clark or something

>>83553773

2 good 2 be tru

>>83553773
Simone with a good editor. Someone to keep her on point, but basically not filter her freak flag any more than necessary.

Because holy shit did her Atom get weird. Fuckballs weird. I need that weird again.

>>83553755
Let's be fair ehre, this is the fault of the creative team for the most part. Manabooch just shat the bed with everything, the lame love triangle, having Iris stuck in the Speed Force for half the run, Meta Feminist Rogues, no focus on other speedsters and trying to build a legacy...

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>>83553794
Right, if you're going to go completely clean then innovate instead of making us pine for what's not there

>>83553780
I think the end of the NO DUPLICATES! rule was the sign that they were not actually committed to the from scratch thing

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>>83553862
>I think the end of the NO DUPLICATES! rule was the sign that they were not actually committed to the from scratch thing
I think it was also a sign of "sure this sells ok, but how it would sell if Batman and Superman were in it?"

>>83553862
>Peacemaker and Duchess
Hmmm

>>83553658
>>83553673
If, IF, they do another reboot, it should be a sort of mix and match setting with elements of all iterations.

>>83553726
The Gargareans were such a wasted concept, but frankly, they should've been a part of the Nu52 Amazons' society from the very beginning. You want them to be a little shady? Fine, have them treat their men as second class citizens. Do not have them raiding ships and killing people, because that makes them them the villains instead of merely a flawed society.

https://twitter.com/ruckawriter/status/739904414857625600

Wonder what he did

>>83553926

Hypertime Retroboot where everything happened and the Silver Age-Levitz characters are older statesmen types (and you can change up their races/sexualities/make them actual aliens) mixed with a new class

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>>83553904
it's like violating the first rule of baby club: "do not try to make a happy baby happier"

>>83553975
Rucka's a Wonderbats shipper and Johns did have him eyeing her jealously when she was with now-dead Superman...

>>83553975
damn it greg

>>83553975
WW was the Joker all along

>>83554016
10/10

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>>83554005
>Rucka's a Wonderbats shipper
well, nobody's perfect

>>83554005
>Rucka's a Wonderbats shipper
Trinity shipping gross.

https://twitter.com/IAmBradWalker/status/739923512870199296

Aquaman #1 has a promising start

>>83554054
RIP page real estate

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>>83553975
What did you do, Greg?

>>83553978
>(and you can change up their races/sexualities/make them actual aliens)
Sneckie and 3001 Imra, please.

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>>83554112
hi daddy bush

>>83554141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weELpc3pYMs i know isjr

>>83554141
I wasn't even alive when Papi Bush had brown hair. I don't think I remember any non-graying Bush at all.

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>>83554141
lol, you think Eiling gives a fuck?

>>83554184
lady, eiling does murder as a part of a healthy breakfast

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>>83554184
cockblocked! everyone!

>>83552182
>Part 8
>It finally gets interesting

Even if true, making it to the halfway part of your big crossover with one solid issue of Manhunter as your strong point make your crossover pretty shit.

>>83552248
>>Reborn was created with an eye to transitioning the project to film

Red Son was the last time Millar wrote something where this wasn't true.

>>83554259
Millar has a DC or Marvel project coming up so that might not get adapted into a film

>>83554216
Sometimes, I seriously wonder if the military keeps Eiling around entirely so nobody else has to be the nastiest scumbag in the room.

>>83554217
So did Bush say "trademark" outloud?

>>83554304
There's always animated adaptations.

>>83554348
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG0UUdGI01o

Red son one day

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>>83554217
https://twitter.com/nickspencer/status/739888068061106176

>>83554220
agreed

COLORIST, FLO IS NOT WHITE

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>>83554393

>>83554393
Yo, I think the artist botched her hair and everyone else went with it.

>>83554348
I'm surprised Red Son hasn't

DC's running out of adaptable Superman and Batman arcs and the new animated universe keeps fucking up new 52 ones

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>>83554439
That makes sense. SHe's completely off-model.

>>83554393
>COLORIST, FLO IS NOT WHITE
She ain't blonde either. Why do we even bother having editors if this shit keeps happening?

>>83554393
Surely that one reply to Spencer is from a parody acco-nope.

>>83554393
Speaking of hydra cap

>Captain America - Steve Rogers #3: 07/13/16 → 07/27/16
>Captain America - Steve Rogers #4: 07/27/16 → 08/10/16

Who wants to bet they're changing some stuff for them to make it last longer or be over quicker

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>>83554461
now who could that be

>>83554461
The checkmate artist kinda missed the memo on Waller's hair texture, too. Doesn't surprise me.

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>>83554534
that's a really heavy hitting...hey, Major Force can't fly

>>83554545

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>>83554581
>they even painted a Kobra logo on the outside of the hull

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>>83554627

>>83554393
There should be a rule. If someone makes a joke, others should be barred from making the same joke within the same thread.

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>>83554525
somebody asked him that on twitter and he said no

>>83554627
I wonder how many goons died painting that on.

>>83554696
oh god tiger looks moe as fuck with his cheeks cut out like that

>>83554575
Penelope new waifu

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>>83554696

>>83554627
Shit like this makes me wish this was G-I Joe Cobra instead. At least those guys have style. ... And they also have the Baroness. Mm mm.

DC Kobra is just lame, and they don't even have the decency to be funny, instead treated as a serious threat. When really, any given hero could probably wreak their dumb asses easily.

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>>83554777
Peacemaker is by far the best thing in this whole comic.

>>83553978
this is the platonic ideal

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>>83554815

>>83554815
he's not taking this serious crossover seriously

thank god

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>>83554830

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>>83554848
This needed some serious Editorial reworking, the whole thing. Great idea, shit execution. Too ambitious.

>>83554812
>DC Kobra is just lame, and they don't even have the decency to be funny, instead treated as a serious threat.

I dunno, they were a pretty damn effective cult in the story from Johns' JSA that I remember with them.

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>>83552452
>Heavy Squad

"Is good time to run, cowards!"

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>>83554885
there's the JSA vs. Kobra mini that ran during was it Willingham? That was actually good while the mainline was shit

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>>83554910
Fuck it, here's page 23, sorry

>>83554575
... Why do the cars talk?

>>83554755
>new
You ain't right if you didn't already waifu Penelope Pitstop.

http://www.craveonline.com/entertainment/997077-exclusive-preview-wonder-woman-rebirth-1

Wondy preview

>>83554877
unrelated, but muh odin sphere remake is arriving tomorrow

i got the art porn edition

shit will be amazing

>>83552589
The annoying thing about doppelganger plots is there has to be a degree of balance, the fake can't be TOO much like the real thing or the audience won't realize it. But if they act too out of character, people start questioning why nobody that knows the person being copied is questioning their weird behavior, like the "Stupid Pills" meme that popped up during Superior Spiderman.

>>83554962
THE FONT IS ANNOYING ME

I'M NOT ACTUALLY MAD, BUT IT IS EVER-SO-SLIGHTLY OFF

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>>83554930
I'm not running the Captain Atom issue because we read it recently and it's like 3 pages of Nate talking to Eve

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>>83552452
>A heavy squad - spookspeak for muscle team

Gee, really? I never would've known if you hadn't explained it.

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>>83554965
I never finished that game because I got stuck on one particular level fucking me so hard :(

>>83554965
>odin sphere remake

Oh shit, really? Maybe now I can play it without dealing with ridiculously retarded slowdown during battles.

>>83554930
He's so great.

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>>83555048
this waifu academy event was fucking impossible, the upgrades to your d00ds

>>83555048
>>83555069
They apparently fixed LITERALLY EVERYTHING, including the progression issues, and redrew all the assets for HD.

Reports specifically indicate there is no slowdown and the rebalanced for way less grinding.

>>83554997
yeah it's not unreadable but it's uncomfortable, odd choice

>>83554965
>Shadow Hearts 2 will never get a re-release

>>83554962
>The story keeps changing.
Uh, is this gonna go all meta on us? Cause that would suck.

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>>83555113
FFFFFFFF, the less grinding...

PS4?

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>>83555186

>>83555186
PS3, PS4, Vita (implied PS TV)

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>>83555209
;_____;

Nate's pretty handy that way

>>83553035
An often unspoken aspect of how death works in Marvel is that, at a certain point coming back from death is far less certain.

There's a very ugly spot where you're popular enough for readers to be shocked and horrified by your death, but you aren't as well known to actually come back from the dead.

The worry is that Jen might be in such an unenviable position.

>>83555227
Any chance for a PC release?

>>83555190 wondy preview

>>83554962
I can't wait

>>83555088
I used some shards and got Bucky in the end but he's only rank 1. Whole thing was kind of bullshit though.

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>>83555237
Oh, I think I finally got Morrowind modded and functional, I'll try after this

what race/class should I play

Also, I think it's pretty easy to fanwank all the Kali stuff into less offensive via the "they're really bad at this religion/poseurs" route

>>83555285
I spent shards on SIF because she's the best

>>83555260
Dragon's Crown wasn't, there would be no precedent. PS TV is like $30, tho.

Speaking of remakes I'm glad FFXII is getting an HD version

>>83553037
Peacemaker wants to murder Major Force.
Peacemaker is good people.

>>83555311
Fuck yeah, IZJS with extra improvements.

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>>83555311
the last third or so of that game is so frustratingly badly paced

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Split art.

>>83555311
Fucking finally.

Also, speaking of pc releases, it's funny how that's one of the only mainline entries to not be available on pc.

>>83553099
>Red Wolf

Y'know, having read that, it wasn't half bad. Shame that the author was apparently evil in some vaguely defined way.

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>>83555360
In another distant universe, Matsuno completed the project and the amount of Basch lewds has eclipsed anything short of Cloud/Sephiroth.

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>>83555380
oh Mark

>>83555299
Dunmer for best. Argonian or Khajit if you want to be the biggest walking cultural insult possible (which is fine, Dunmer cultural is horrible and racist and there's a reading of the game that makes that the intention anyway).

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>>83555412
I want to live in that universe
with all the Basch lewds

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>>83555435
khajit has wares

>>83555468
Khajit and Argonian bodies get janky, depending on what kind of mods we're talking about. If you know what I mean.

I like Argonians a lot, tho

>>83555412
Fuck XII for having to invent two shitty MCs to put in front of all the good characters. Balthier/Fran also a great couple.

>>83555412
>>83555445
>HD Fran, Basch, Larsa
this better generate a new wave of lewds

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>>83555501
are we talking about lewd mods?

>>83553329
Avengers Standoff ending with Clint basically done with SHIELD really had me hoping he'd be back to being HAWKEYE again. But nope, he's the Hulkslayer, and he's gonna end up getting more punished than Maria Hill.

>>83555547
Potion Shota best shota, at least he wasn't neglected the first time through

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>>83555584
potion battle shota!

>>83555553
That and non-lewd clothing/equipment additions, yeah. Some of them aren't made for the legs they use, or weird tail stuff happens. Basically, tails are a vanilla equipment slot. It goes downhill from there.

>>83555584
I grinded SO HARD whenever he was around

best shota indeed

>>83555541
I only got through about 20 minutes of FF12, and I failed to care because of Vaan and Penelo. The fucking opening text crawl outright tells you that this is Ashe's story, so she should be the protagonist. There's no reason to bother with these two punks.

Fuck them for taking away focus from the actual story, and especially fuck them for delaying me from washing my ears with the sweet tones of Kari Wahlgren's voice.

>>83555623
XII definitely had the best men and future men. To that end, I'm not opposed to Vaan in the lewds department, he has immense potential

>>83555687
Vaan and Penelo are cute, they were just kind of pointless and there was no reason for them to be the leads instead of Ashe and Basch

>>83555676
The game is actually great, it's serious evidence of the rule of 3, but Vaan and Penelo are trash.

>>83553524
Oh, good. It IS an Invasion ship.

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>>83555706
It let you do the Basch story reveal in a more effective way, but you could have done the protagonist transfer

>>83555272
>Clay baby again
Finally.

>>83555676
>Vaan and Penelo were only supposed to extras at the beginning of the game
>the new producer decides to upgrade them to permanent front and center characters

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>>83555738
OTP
T
P

also OTP: Basch/Zodiac Spear

>>83555706
Vaan grew on me; I'm sympathetic to how profoundly awful his life went in a very short amount of time. But they didn't do enough with him and make him part of Basch's motivation.

Because you can read between the lines and see Sudden Poverty Lad's situation really freaking bothers him.

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>>83555753
Man, Zirch is seriously digging into the Supes archives. I hope there's some payoff influence on the book from all that.

>>83555797
Basch as Team Dad is 100% my bag, hnnng

>>83555753
>Basch/Zodiac Spear
I gave Penelo all the good weapons because I enjoyed making her my heavy hitter even if that was slight inefficient

Basch made a great white mage

>>83555797
I didn't like how they shoehorned him into Ashe's arc. Still not sure why Vaan could also see Ashe's dead husband.

>>83555750
Supposedly because the female fans prefer young bishies, and dislike older men or some bullshit.

Square, you fail at pandering.

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>>83555828
Oh yeah, forget Morrowind, I owe myself a FFTA2 replay because I fucking love that game

I love multi-racial Ivalice where humes are just one part of the tapestry, not nearly enough worlds work hard with that.

>>83553696
The Legion is the only team in DC's stable that should be butting heads in sheer numbers with Marvel's X-Characters, but X-Men's perpetual popularity through the 90s let them dramatically outpace the Legion, which suffered from a steep decline in popularity post Crisis/5YL.

Article about how Marvel is fucking up Native American representation is missing the most important point. That Dani Moonstar is not in a book anywhere.

>>83555887
Yea, that's what the article I read basically said.

>>83555855
I couldn't not bring Balthier everywhere forever. Best voice.

>>83555899

I really wanna see Earth-2 where Legion got the 90s cartoon

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>>83555896

>>83555887
Well that sure worked out for Metal Gear Solid 2!

>>83555915
I mostly kept to Balthier, Basch and Fran although I kept everyone levelled up equally

>>83555901
I miss Dani

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>>83555936
that's our man

>>83555947
Penelo's magic stats are very very good

>>83555930
ferro lewds for days CLANG

>>83553773
I feel like a Parker LOSH would also be a pretty great move.

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>>83555958
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>83553975

Nu52 Wonder Woman and Dick Grayson are the same age

>>83555753
This is a true power couple.

>>83555901
Most of Marvel's Native American heroes are X-Men, aren't they?

>>83555828
Did you ever play Vagrant Story OP? FFT?

>>83555982
Apparently Diana's going to be thousands of years old again, she just looks early 20s.

>>83553862
Man, Aside from that ridiculous helmet, Peacemaker really does have a top tier design, doesn't he?

>>83555995
All of the ones that don't dress like stereotypes, and half of the ones who do.

American Eagle kicked rampant ass in his half-issue appearance with Ellis, but he's still a guy who dresses up like a Halloween Indian.

>>83555982
Diana was 23
Dick was 21

Anyway Johns made her thousands of years old in Darkseid War because her being young was stupid since she comes from a magic island

>>83556033
The helmet is essential.

>>83555901
Would it be offensive to combine Dawnstar and Shikari into one character? Basically, make her an insect gal who dresses like a Native?

>>83555974
Poor Lois got pied too. Who the hell is doing this?

>>83556055
Well, in that issue that Ellis did he looked like a Gatchaman biker.

>>83556063
>her being young was stupid since she comes from a magic island
Azz had to make her that young to justify her not knowing about the 30 year sex-and-murder excursions which also requires Amazons to die out somewhat regularly.

>>83556105
Does Dawnstar have any ties to the Southern Cult Complex? You could make her one of the cosmic birdmen of that religion.

>>83556105
The tassels really need to leave and never come back. She can keep the hair.

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>>83556105
we will find out, I promise

UHOH

>>83555982
Age stuff aside that's a decent ship. Like a solid 7/10, would read might grow attached.

>>83556151
I'd read it for an arc. They'd part on good terms, much like his stint with Supes.

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>>83556018
I played old-school non-remastered FFT, yeah

I hated Vagrant Story and never finished it; I found the story unappealing and the grinding/weapons affinity aspect fatally stupid

>>83556088
The helmet has grown on me as part of the charm.

>>83556151
Well it's not trinity shipping so I can't disagree