Why is animation so damn inspiring? It's like, shit, at

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I mean fuck, look at this. It's a drawing but my brain is saying, "nope, that's a dog". Look how goddamn believable it is.

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Damn, look at this moving illustration. Gorgeous.

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Look how much fun it is to be a cartoon character. Constantly stretching and squashing, this shit is more fun to look at than some actor's Oscar moment.

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Simply having a character stand up is way more creative in animation than any other medium.

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Big globby tears are the best. Even crying has immense amounts of personality to it. Can't just have tears fall out of his eyes, gotta make sure they stretch and squash like a bouncing ball. So good.

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Look at these fucking MASTERPIECES. The stylization, the techinque, it's like a fucking classical art gallery came to life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5ih1IRIRxI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Zve61sQZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HR4Junqmzg
https://youtu.be/aVQyppjMG7U?t=1m7s

>>83547266
Because you feel that you are creating LIFE.

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The amount of work it takes just to have a couple of seconds on-screen, my God, it's admirable.

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Fuuuuuuccckkk.

>>83547364
Where is this from?

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>>83547915
And yet it's a big tease, because they will never be real. You can create an entire world and bring it as close to life as you can with animation but it will still all be just stuff in your head. How absolutely tormenting yet fulfilling at the same time.

>>83547364
https://vimeo.com/158609402
>“Privisa” - an animated family feature.
The movie is set in the era of the first slavic tribes, ancestors of the nations from Central Europe. It tells the story of 11-year-old Wilkan, his father Borzymir and grandfather Stanimir, who try to save their village. This is an epic story about family, life choices and growing up.
Project in development, international presentation of the concept took place Cartoon Movie, Lyon ( 2-4th March 2016)

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>>83548054
>>83547959
Whoops, meant to quote this.

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It's like a treat for your eyes.

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Look how much work it is just to animate water. People specialize in just animating special effects because it's so complicated. Those people need more credit.

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I want to EAT this water.

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It's like one of my children's books just started moving, daaaamn. I will never have a bed that comfy.

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So much bounciness and understanding of weight, damn these people are talented.

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This probably took someone weeks to do. All just cause they really love drawing.

The expressiveness conveyed in these images is part of the reason why I love animation so much more than live action. It's a crying shame that the former isn't usually as profitable as the latter.

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>>83547266
Cartoon side of /co/ will not be able to apreciatte this because this is not a fetish thread OP.

>>83547266
>>83547292
>>83547565
>>83547841
>>83547945
>>83548286
>>83548338
>>83548161

Too bad no one invests in good stuff anymore bros.

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>>83548921
That's fine. I'm sure a couple of people have saved some of these gifs for later viewing and in the end, just inspiring a couple of people is enough.

>>83548693
Always Sunny is one of the few live-action shows I can think of where the characters have downright cartoony expressions and timing to their performances. It's one of my favorite shows.

And just to make this post still animation relevant, here's typography graphic design animation because those rarely get any mention:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLMpjPuQek

>>83547266
I'm in the same boat as you OP
Appreciate the thread

yeah but is it kino

>>83549320
>>>/tv/

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What ever happenden to Cartoon Hangover..

OP, are you stoned again?

>>83550054
They gave up

>>83550054
was this ever planned to become a full series? it had potential

>>83548921
>>83549018
>/wsg/, /wsr/, /i/, /ic/ and even /v/ are more likely to have an active animation thread than /co/.
>the only way to make /co/ to talk about animation is to make a bait thread( calarts style/ eastern vs western animation)
Atleast we can have comic appreciation threads.

>>83547925
Any more 2D Ralph studies?

>>83551867
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nfeBsZNC-U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYTptGoN7zI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Wfu-MA0mc

>>83551995
>If there's anything I can't abide, it's anything out of order.
Nice.

>>83552169
There is a higher quality of the King Candy one somewhere, but I'm too lazy to look so I just got the first google result. Eric Goldberg King Candy is gorgeous though.

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>>83550189
Not OP, but I sometimes get hit with that "oh my god animation is so incredible" feeling, too. It's so easy to take for granted.

>>83552296
i think it's because how quickly it goes by.
Making 3 minutes of animation is much harder and than to play a 3 minute song or to film 3 minutes of footage, but it goes by just as fast

>>83547266
I agree. I'm not an animator, but I always loved it because you can tell when love was put into a work. It seems like pure magic sometimes. This is still one of my favorite shorts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJQAgBPBSA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYOc-LqkrsE
This sends chills down my spine. The shit students have been pumping out in the last five years is literally mind blowing. They're basically professionals already, why the hell do they even need school? These kids are more talented at 20 than I will ever be in my life cause I'm just taking desk jobs for stability.

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>tfw 2d died in your lifetime

>>83553855
I thought you meant 2-D from Gorillaz, they just now have an album coming out I was about to lose my shit at that sort of poor timing.

>>83553737
Holy fuck. This is 10/10. So fucking good.

If the voice suited the teacher's looks better, It'd be perfect.

>>83550054
They sit on their asses and update every 6 months with "DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES TO MAKE A 4 MINUTE CARTOON"

Where's that gif of the girl from Peter Pan 2 doing every expression in a single shot? It's so fluid and cool but I can't find it.

>>83553008
Maybe this sounds retarded, but something I've never understood is how when someone spends tons of time painting or drawing a single picture, people take it very seriously, but as soon as you draw too many pictures and place them one after another and play them back very fast, suddenly it's juvenile and impossible to take seriously.

I'm not trying to say every flipbook drawing should be compared to the mona lisa, but there is some incredible artistry in animation. Single frames can look absolutely gorgeous, but as soon as you put it with a bunch of other frames the majority of people's brains shut off and go "hurr durr cartoons are for kids"

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>>83554635
Anon delivers, and the cost is only that when your time comes; you too must deliver.

>>83554635
>>83555146
Peter Pan 2 was a surprisingly solid film. The animation was so nice for a sequel, and even though, it was a story that didn't need to be told at all, it was nicely written.

Anyone in this thread dabbling in animation?
I've been experimenting minimally the last few years but I'm incredibly awful at it.

>>83555146
Thanks a million, Anon. Fucking fantastic.

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> animated adaptations of comic books were almost always a given ten years ago, like how Manga always gets an anime adsptstion, and we had just started to get adaptations of adult stuff with the Maxx and spawn, potentially opening up the gates for more, better stuff getting animated.

>flash forward and now superheroes just get live action shows aimed at the couch potato crowd with absolutely zero visual intrigue and basically the entire charm of said characters being stylized is gone in favor of Hollywood "practicality"

It hurts.

>>83549987
Whoa.

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>>83552296
I know I get that feel a lot watching Sylvain Chomet's stuff.

this 2d wreck it ralph stuff is top tier, the 3d has nothing on this

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>>83555522
>tfw you will never watch Hellboy TaS
>no animated short films adapting stories from Sandman
>you will never experience a full length Bone movie

Why was I even put on this earth

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>>83555847

>YFW Luluco

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Anyone else "animating" because of this thread?

This made me super inspired so I thought I'd practice. It's shit I know but practice is practice.

>>83555652
Where's this from?

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>>83556344
I think that's pretty impressive for something you were inspired on the spot to do.

>>83556866
Thanks, Anon. It really means alot.

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>>83549987
Here's some more

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>>83558236
And the last one

>>83558263
Thank you Anon, I don't play vidja very often, but I'm still buying cuphead just to look at this gorgeous work,and to support the talent behind it.

>>83547266
your brain filters cues from the environment and compares them via association to ones in your memory, most of what we usually get is noise whereas cartoons exaggerate the relevant bits and produce mostly signal

this is why kids have an easier time parsing information from them and why people who are well shall we say not social butterflies by nature tend to gravitate towards waifus rather than fetishising movie stars and super models like the rest

>>83550054
Fred Seibert is a hack

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Good thread, I like it.

Animation really is amazing. It's much more comprehensible in its insane dedication, thus, easier to appreciate than a lot of other artforms, but it deserves it.

>>83559610
Ok.

>>83559610
That sounds partially dipped in truth, and partially dipped in bullshit, but I still thank you.

>>83555970
Well there is te Hellboy movies and the piloto of lAmazing Screw ol Head from Mignola. Seeing his style animated was goat.

>>83556553
Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade


Excellent film

>>83560763
>Excellent film
No it's not.

>>83560942
its slow as balls, but that doesn't make it bad.

let's agree to disagree.

>>83556344
This is awesome, anon. Don't ever stop!

>>83554986
Elitism, anon. Don't let it get to you. Don't let curators and critics dictate what you love.

>>83555800
Jesus christ, The Illusionist gets me every fucking time. While I appreciate realistic views and philosiphies in art, I still feel depressed as hell after watching this movie.

>>83548396
HOLY
FUCK

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This is a happy thread. We need more positive threads on /co/. I've been getting a little burnt out just reading constant negativity and fighting over Hellcat or Marvel vs. DC or Steven Universe vs. Gravity Falls or whatever. This is a nice break.

>>83548338
so much shitty blur filter too

>>83563044
>blur filter
wew

>>83563044
uncross your eyes, anon. it's crystal clear, except for the very beginning where nick swishes into frame, which is basically just the 3D equivalent of a smear.

>>83548396
They sure as shit weren't getting paid for it. I get paid better than a japanese animator.

>>83553855
It's a sad fucking feel, anon.

>>83548921
>he said posting the latest cancer craze

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Posting this
https://desustorage.org/co/thread/83355892/#83356217

>>83556344
Nice!

>>83560302
>approx 150 frames for few seconds
Jesus, I know how much work goes into animation but to see it in action is a whole nother experience.

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This is a good thread

>>83550054
101 FACTS ABOUT

Bless you, OP. You're a wonderful person.

About how much work do you anons think it would take for one anon to animate a feature length film? I've been meaning to do it for a while now, based off a graphic novel I wrote and illustrated but I'm expecting it to take years. I've got no money to hire animators or anything.

I love animation as long as it's hand drawn. The computer stuff does nothing for me.

>>83562678
i hope you dont think this is a good example of animation

>>83553855
2D is not dead, it just got full of Merika bulshit and moved away.

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>>83559511
It's weird, for some reason Pokemon gifs are consistently top tier stuff. Pokemon fans are something else.

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>>83547266
>Why is animation so damn inspiring?
It's not. You're just an easily impressed moron.

>>83550054
I "know" the author of this, Jesse Moynihan. He was an Adventure Time storyboard artist and writer for the same show. He recently said that Manly is coming back, but maybe not for Cartoon Hangover.

>>83566474

Actually, a person who is inspired by small things is more intelligent than a person who can't find inspiration in anything.

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Jesus Christ, this thread is giving me a fucking aneurysm. I finally realise this site has left me completely unable to stomach any form of positivity.

>>83566505

Seek help?

>>83566499
Source: Anon's Retarded Ass.

>>83555246
Considering it was done by a different studio which did all the other sequels which had shit animation, this one was pretty good. Hell, I liked the animation more than the original. It was just more colourful and more fluid, and that CGI flight scene. I still remember seeing it in the cinema back then because mc donalds were giving out tickets with happy meals.

>>83566579

Think about it. If you are unable to find inspiration in anything, all it means is that you don't think outside your little comfort zone very often. Your thoughts and ideas are all inbred which has led you to become vacant of idea and thought. Hence why you're a cynical shell of your former young self. However long ago that was.

>>83566620
All it means is that one has an understanding of how things work, and that makes it less interesting.

>inb4 scientists
Scientists are a bunch of retarded nerds who geek out over irrelevant crap.

>>83566520
It's not that I'm a particularly negative person, I just feel more comfortable in a negative environment at this point.
To be fair, I actually did a lot of animation growing up an was involved in several communities dedicated to the subject. I think I just get slightly triggered whenever the topic comes up on this site, and that's basically down to the fact that I can never quite shake the feeling that nobody actually knows what they're talking about.

>>83566653
You sound genuinely deluded and disconnected from reality, anon.

>>83566689
And you sound like a delusional child living in some imaginary candyland where everything is gumdrops and rainbows.

>>83566653

Well, clearly it means you're too smart to feel joy, anon. The rest of us may think you're an idiot, but take heed in being the only one who knows that you're actually smarter than everybody else. And let your secret bring you the happiness you seek.

>>83566714
I feel so sorry for you mate. Hope you can be happy one day

>>83566714
Nope, I'm just an anon with depression and a host of other physical and mental illnesses. I'm not very happy, there are no candylands here. You're being a twat though.

>>83566808
But...you are the one being hateful

>>83566808
See kids? This is why you jerk off at the END of the day and not when you first wake up.

>>83566822
Hatred breeds hatred.

But we're getting off topic. There's nothing "inspiring" about animation. It's a sequence of images meant to create the illusion of movement. Stop being a goddamned idiot.

>>83566882
What inspires you, anon?

I mean, besides the desire to make others feel as shitty as you do.

>>83566882
You began with your hatred. You should apologize. It is inspiring because of how much love, work, and passion is put into it. But I am sure love, work and passion are alien concepts to you.

>>83566882
>There's nothing "inspiring" about animation. It's a sequence of images meant to create the illusion of movement. Stop being a goddamned idiot.

I'm sorry you have not one iota of creativity in your entire body and soul, anon. If you genuinely can't recognize animation as inspirational at any level then you might lack empathy or humanity. You're certainly missing out on a lot of amazing artistry.

>>83566910
>you might lack empathy or humanity.

I mean, he did express the desire to shoot everybody on 4chan in the back of the head in an earlier post. Lol.

Why are you responding to this retard /co/?

What's your favorite form of animation, /co/? I love stop-motion.

>>83566954
It Bump the thread.

>>83566469
Fuck, I want to use Popplio now.

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Here's some amazing animation à la Mignolia that we're never going to see more of ever again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbsDvGtTRWU

>>83566347
It'd probably take a few years yeah.
If you worked on it constantly like it was your day job then you could maybe pull it off in a year or so.
But then you run the risk of burning yourself out.
I'd so go for it as a hobby.

I remember I did a bunch of stop motion shit with Legos and clay at an after school program for like a year or two.
It was fun as fuck and got me into animation.
Haven't done anything since, but might pick it up again when I improve my drawing skills.

>>83566997
2d

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>>83566924
Does that mean this thread about animation inspired him to write that post. Oh the irony.

>>83566997
Pixel

>>83566808

Post if you're OK, anon.

>>83553737
You need to seriously re-calibrate your standards if you think that's mind-blowing 10/10 GOAT professional animation.

This is amateur or independent animation from Japan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ctujLIA8kU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6qLLoEdWZw

>>83566882
>*tips fedora*

>>83547266
>>83547266
>A short little pencil test is more impressive to me than something like Space Odyssey or Hugo. Why would I rather stare at sketchy pencil work or flat colors than reality?
You haven't seen Indian animation.

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>>83568148

>>83568962
Curious, post some.

>>83569120
There was that Johnny Johnny thing floating around a few months ago. Really it's not all that bad, I've seen some stuff that's on par with DreamWorks stuff. But the things that are bad are really bad. Thankfully, most of it isn't aired.

>>83566882

It's okay. He's just pretending to be retarded.

>>83567144
>a monkey with a gun
That's Mignola all right.

>>83568148
Ah shit, thats some good stuff too.

>>83555800
One of my all time favourite films.

>>83568148
huh. has there even been a pixel animated film?

>>83565917
Oh! I saw that is cool animation look likes "Who framed Roger Rabbit."

>>83554986
Movement is taken for granted like in real life.

With something detailed standing still and focused you have time to get amazed.

>>83550054
The youtube algorithm changed and now they can't pay jack shit so nothing ever gets done.

>>83554986
It's the same as people dismissing video game music because it's music that's in a video game. There's nothing rational behind it.

>>83571550
Many people don't understand how animation works and what makes it difficult.

>>83568478
shut the fuck weeb

>>83571906
I'm not a weeb. Why should I shut up?

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>>83568478
Look, I love anime anon but there's nothing great about the animation especially with the examples you gave. It's just recycled drawings and characters designs that the industry have been doing for years. There's nothing original or unique about it. Don't shove your shit taste and compare that trash with >>83553737.

>>83547292
Oh I thought that was a horse.

>>83547841
Feature-length Prologue when?

>>83547266
I'm with you OP.
From movies to series, I always liked animation better than real life acting.
Even on an acting standpoint, voice actors amazed me more than any celebrity.

>>83554194
There is a different voiced version that suits it better but the delivery is not as good imo

>>83571808
People don't think about it. All they see is some tubes and spheres acting theatrical or when it's more realistic they think live-action'd have done it better.

>>83560468
Unfortunately Mignola himself thought otherwise.

>>83571712
>tfw YouTube set internet animation and film back by at least 10 years and rocketed podcasts, video games, top tens and let's plays by 5 years into the future by changing the algorithm.
This is why there aren't more YouTube channels like mondo media and fredorator has become watch mojo 2.5

>>83566474
Gr8 b8

>>83572305
>Look, I love anime anon but there's nothing great about the animation especially with the examples you gave.
It's professional quality animation produced by amateur or independent animators.

>recycled drawings and characters designs that the industry have been doing for years
They are both based on Touhou, an independent game series that's been produced by one guy since the 90s. There's nothing generic about his character designs.

>There's nothing original or unique about it.
Originality does not equal quality, and a lack of originality does not equal a lack of quality.

>Don't shove your shit taste and compare that trash with >>83553737.
Could it be that you just don't know anything about animation and are motivated by nationalism?

>>83547565
>>83547663
>>83562678
It's a shame one of the few shows that actually cares if the ANIMATION is good in an ANIMATED SERIES is ending. I mean, I like all cartoons from Clarence to Steven to Star and Mike Tyson. But none of these shows really do anything with their animation. Even with Steven's board rules of going off model and having lots of exaggerated faces, the animation itself kind of butchers it and it usually feels like they're simply moving from Point A to Point B rather than making the in-between journey fun to watch. Does this dumb spiel make sense to anyone?

>>83572815
To tell it short most animated series from 60s to today are missing the point of animation.

>>83572957
Yeah, basically. And I don't expect everything to move like Disney. I understand TV budgets. Like, Mike Tyson and Venture Brothers work for what they got, and that's great, especially since their designs are much more complicated.

South Park, Aqua Teen, and Space Ghost are funny because of their limited animation. King of the Hill is suppose to reflect reality and does a really good job at that.

But something like We Bare Bears should have fantastic stretch n squash animation but instead, the characters are ALWAYS on-model and sterile and flat. So what's the excuse there? Why CAN'T those shows have some fun with their animation? Why did shows like Billy & Mandy or Spongebob get so stiff in later seasons? Spongebob was already low-budget. Just keep it fun.

>>83572957
What is the point of animation?

>>83572615
I knew I shouldn't have replied when you started spouting the usual "muh Korean cartoons are the best and anyone who disagrees has shit taste" nonsense. Shouldn't you be in /a/?

>>83573288
They aren't Korean, and they obviously are better than that student clip.

>>83566474
>>83566505
>>83566679
>>83566808
>>83572615
What's with people in this thread trying to start shit? It's a happy thread. It's like, one of the few happy threads we have on /co/. Why do people insist on shitting it up?

>>83573204
Actual (organic and distinctive) animation and doing everything else live action can't do.

>>83573450
Why did you quote >>83572615 but not >>83572305?

>>83573526
Animation doesn't have to go out of its way to do things that live action can't, or animate things in a specific way. Animation can be used for anything.

>>83573553
Because one is purposely trying to start shit with anime vs. cartoons while the other is saying take it down a notch and cut it out. You wanna share cool anime examples, fine. But you want to share them while putting down cartoons just because, then get out.

Same reason why movie fanatics appreciate miniatures and paintings more than CGI. It takes heart and effort to make seamless animation, you can feel the hard work and dedication behind it.

>>83573774
>Same reason why movie fanatics appreciate miniatures and paintings more than CGI
>VFX will never get love, not even by their own employers.

Sad.

>>83573638
Sure but that's usually just wasting this medium's potential.

>>83573720
>Because one is purposely trying to start shit with anime vs. cartoons
So >>83572305, then.

>But you want to share them while putting down cartoons just because, then get out.
>>83553737 praised the video as "literally mind blowing" and said the creators don't even need schooling because they're already pros. I simply illustrated that he needs to adjust his standards because there is considerably better stuff out there.

>>83573854
Would you mind using a tripcode so I can block your cancer posts?

>>83573845
There is no rule that says animation has to go out of its way to do things that live action can't.

>>83573901
How am I making cancer posts?

>>83573854
>I simply illustrated that he needs to adjust his standards because there is considerably better stuff out there.
lol why the fuck do you care

why the fuck can't people just enjoy shit without having to put other shit down first

do you go around policing people's standards in real life, too? what the fuck

just let people like shit.

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Hey look everyone!
More animation!

>>83573931
Then why did he care to make his original post? Why did OP care to make this thread? Why did you care to make this reply?

>why the fuck can't people just enjoy shit without having to put other shit down first
You are misrepresenting what he said. He didn't simply say he liked it, he gave it hyperbolic praise that was vastly out of proportion with its actual quality.

>>83549076
>bringing up always sunny
>not bringing up the gang saves the day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcIZZAi4j0Y

>>83573928
This post still applies >>83573845.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IOls6NGIso
>That little fumble with the jacket

>>83574064
It doesn't, because it doesn't say anywhere that you have to make things that are only possible in animation.

https://youtu.be/OSY9akiOCpI
Check out these spring coils

>>83574106
Making things in a way that only animation can is the key.

>>83574149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh5kxentrY0
I can feel the weight of the snake when he gets pushed off, it's so good.

>>83574174
It isn't. There is no such rule. Just because Disney had a certain philosophy doesn't mean that all animation everywhere has to conform to it.

>>83568478
Anon, I get that you like Touhou, but this animation is about as lazy and generic as it comes.

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There's something really interesting about the keyframe process that only animation can do. Like, it's an incomplete scene, it's not even in motion, it's just the "idea", but you can see it, and you WANT to see it finished. Seeing the work process of animation is cool, sometimes.

>>83574191
>that final "walk"
Too good

>>83574239
The limited animation style of anime has nothing to do with laziness, and "generic" is a meaningless word at this point.

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>>83574314

>>83574218
What are you getting at? It's not about DIsney it's about animation in general.

>>83574390
There is nothing incorrect about what I said.

>>83574416
Your idea of what animation is supposed to be is based on Disney.

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>>83574439

>>83574446
Ok, then explain what was incorrect about what I said.

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>>83574505

>>83574532
So you can't explain. Ok.

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>>83574556

>>83574570
Yeah, this is the level of argumentation I expect from /co/.

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>>83574603

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I wish I had some decent gifs of Secret of NIMH. Absolutely top tier stuff

>>83574633
Man, these movies where shit, but the animation is top notch

i bought The Lego Movie on blue ray just because of how incredible i think it looks. Blurs the line between computer animation and stop-motion

>>83547266
OP, you're pretty cool. Thank you for this nice thread.

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>>83574314
>The limited animation style of anime
There is nothing limited about anime. If you're using nothing but half-shots of samey-looking girls, still but for a looping wind animation in their hair, that's YOUR fault and not the medium's.
There's maybe four seconds of actual fluid motions in those vids of yours combined.

>>83555652
Man, I didn't understand the plot of this, but Jin Roh had absolutely amazing animation. Could anyone else recommend any anime with a similar (realistic) style and quality of animation?

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>>83574715

>>83574439
It's based on understanding of animation, not about animators personal philosophies.
Seems you're trying to bait people here or something so I'm out.

>>83547925
"Wait a minute." you can so clearly see what she's saying, holy shit.

>>83574767
i couldn't stand watching them, mostly because adam sandler has the most grating "vampire" voice ever.

i may watch them now, just for the animation

>>83574314
anon if you wanted to impress these anon you would post sakuga (the real reason Japanese animation is considered the best in the world).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVbzf4igjx0&index=30&list=PLF943602F1BF75734

>>83574957
The animation style of anime is called "limited animation," as opposed to the "full animation" associated with Disney for example. Nausicaä is no exception.

>There's maybe four seconds of actual fluid motions in those vids of yours combined.
The Memories of Phantasm one has a lot more than that, so you're just making things up here (which is very typical when people are trying to attack anime). The Summer Day's Dream one doesn't have that much, but the brief fight scene has good animation and the production values are excellent (I was not talking about just raw animation, because animation doesn't exist in a vacuum).

Touhou's characters are also hardly "samey looking." You're just regurgitating a common meme without bothering to see if it actually makes any sense.

>>83568478
Is this bait? These are terrible.

>>83575057
Nowhere does it say that animation has to go out of its way to do things that aren't possible in live action.

>Seems you're trying to bait people here or something so I'm out.
Yes Anon, anyone who doesn't agree with you on the Internet is baiting.

>>83575182
I specifically posted animation that was made by amateur or independents.

>>83575254
They aren't.

>>83575005
Ghost in the Shell, same director.

>>83575346
Oshii wrote Jin-Roh but did not direct it.

>>83548338
>CG
is this bait

>>83575346
I watched it too just a few days ago (didn't know about the director). While it's also beautiful, has some great scenes and really cool ideas, I think I prefer Jin-Roh. Though, both films slow down too much at times.

>>83575005
You've seen Ghost in the Shell, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS3PGKUiSco

>>83575221
>Touhou's characters are also hardly "samey looking.

But they are.

Theres plenty of anime out there that has its own aesthetic flair and what you posted isn't one of them. It doesn't look any different to the plethora of visually generic anime out there. The fact that it was made by an independent makes it more depressing.

>>83575005
Satoshi Kon's work in general.

Guy is a master of editing and playing with your sense of reality

>>83574084
that looks like shit senpai.

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>>83574701
Will a webm do?

>>83575182
Man, I need to watch Cowboy Bebop.

>>83575617
Thanks, I'll check it out.

>>83574306
I guess you could do it with live-action by just leaving out a bunch of frames.

>>83572615
>There's nothing generic about his character designs.
Do people really think this?

>>83555522
I kept thinking about all those weird Xavier mind battle scenes of the Xmen cartoon, like the Sabretooth one, when watching Apocalypse.

>>83572571
to bad no one will move to vimeo or dailymotion.

>>83575532
>But they are.
You are just straight up bullshitting here.

These are the designs made by the developer himself:
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?utf8=%E2%9C%93&tags=oota_jun%27ya+&ms=1

>>83575810
Yes, since it's true.

>>83575810
You've never been in a 'post 10/10 designs' thread on /a/?

>>83575857
Stop moving goal posts faggot.

The argument was if they looked generic, which they do.

>>83575939
I didn't move any goal posts, and no they still don't look generic. This just again shows how meaningless "generic" is, people will use it to describe literally anything related to anime or similar things.

>>83569062
I don't know why, but I am not fond of this guy's style. How is his high res or traditional art?

>>83575984
Yes you did.

I already said that there are plenty of anime that have their own visual flair and what you posted isn't one of them.

You are either being wilfully ignorant or shitposting poorly.

>>83574136
Damn, she was lush.

>>83575857
Only 1/3 of those actually look neat
The rest look bland and forgettable

>>83574165
Source?

>>83576064
You said that Touhou's characters are samey looking, I responded with a gallery of its character designs. No goalposts were moved.

And Touhou isn't an anime, it's a game series. There have been unofficial fan anime based on it.

>>83576095
Now this is actually moving goalposts.

>>83575810
No. I'm pretty sure even people who like the games generally agree that Zun is a hack artist.

>>83548396
Anon I wish to know your name. You seem like a fine chap and would love to talk animation and be wowed with you.

>>83576122
Hey, now wait
I'm not that other Anon. I'm just making a comment on those designs

>>83576112
https://vimeo.com/63325129
Our juicy French friend, Gobelins.

>>83575005
I think the general idea was that a soldier was used in an undercover sting, but he's so deep even if you're paying attention you won't realize it until the end so it went over a lot of people's heads.
I think.

>>83574715
That's really poor.

>>83576171
He isn't a great artist, but that doesn't mean he isn't a great designer. It also doesn't mean that he is a hack. There are degrees of skill between "great" and "hack."

>>83576194
Yes and you are moving the goalposts.

>>83562037
>>83564972
Thanks a lot. I've barely animated in a very long time since I always felt like I was shit at it, but all your comments really helped out. I'm gonna keep improving.

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>>83547266
Animation is inspiring, and I hope one day to be half as good as the stuff I'm seeing in this thread. There's so many different techniques options and outcomes, it's just amazing. Just like >>83547565 said, even the simplest things can be creative and there's so much you can do with the medium.

Pic-related is something I spent a few hours doing in April.

>>83558191
>>83558236
>>83558263
I just LOVE cuphead, I can't wait to come out. I hope it'll be super successful and spawn more projects like it. I'm not a huge games person but I'm gonna buy the hell out of it to support it

>>83576122
How is "heres are gallery of generic anime girls drawn by the developer himself" prove your point? It still bland looking crap thats barely distinguishable from the thousands of other unimaginative hacks churning stuff out.

>>83576194
I'm actually curious about what you actually think looks good in that gallery.

>>83564992
My friend is currently in animation school and just finished up her first year. Her final film was only a few seconds long but I remember hearing every night from her how tiring it all was and in the end it took over 400 drawings. Yet in the end she still felt super rewarded.

>>83576218
It's solid keyframes for a walk cycle, even if they could be improved, but what I like about it is that it's trying to emulate an old illustration look with the sketchiness and watercolor. One thing I love about animation is that you can incorporate textures and techniques to make it visually pop. Would you like it to look like watercolor? Or a comic book? Or an oil painting? Hell, you can use a pinscreen to animate if you wanted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydiaPnag0YE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1nRIX-qvbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juyjXwyBFxE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qnQqXr838E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTvYh8ar3tc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFxJsaegVPw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pty_ykLB5t0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWB0goTWZic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtc-PP2GWPo

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>>83549987
>>83576418

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This choppy mess took most of a month. I've got nothing but crazy respect for animators who make it their life's work.

>>83576224
How am I moving goal posts if I was never in the argument to begin with

>>83574191
>when he slaps the cat's cheeks
adorable

>>83576485
They aren't generic. Stop lying.

It's pathetic how often the /co/ defense force resorts to doing this kind of thing.

>>83576493
400 drawings yield 16.6 seconds of footage at 24 frames per second.

>>83576574
First the argument was about whether they are all same looking, then you start talking about whether or not they look "neat."

>>83576506
I'm pretty sure my animation teacher would have made me redo that one, it's too snappy, you can tell they didn't use a video reference too.

>>83576506
Whoops, posted wrong Room on the Broom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mrWA0uIbL8

But hey look, that video still shows you can tell a solid story using a narrator and almost no animation at all and kids will still eagerly listen. That's usually what I think of when I hear people say they want to do ____ but can't draw. You can still make it work to your advantage, just think creatively on how to use your limitations. Like this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJBt2V5-Q-E

He didn't let the fact that he couldn't draw like Glen Keane stop him from making a short film.

>>83576186
Let's chit-chat animation, man.
http://elenamanetta.com/

>>83576668
>Muh /co/ doesn't agree with my bad taste abloo bloo bloo

You being easily impressed has nothing to do with /co/, you whiny faggot. there are people on /a/ who would call you out for having taste this shit.

>>83576839
You are just outright lying. That's what I'm talking about.

>i-it's "generic"
>t-they all look the same
>i-it's "lazy"
>t-there's no animation
>t-there's no detail
And so on. Always lying about things in a desperate last-ditch effort to maintain the supremacy of all things Western even if there's no legitimate grounds for doing so.

>>83576485
Top two to the left, top right, and bottom right
Though maybe they only look okay when compared to the bad ones in the bunch

why are you guys giving this /a/ faggot (you)'s? just quit responding to him, no one here agrees with him, we all know he's baiting. nobody needs to get the last word or prove him wrong because we all know he's a faggot.

>>83576925
Since you are so convinced that ther is great animation and non-generic design going on can you actually describe it so there is more to this argument than "no u"?

Oh man, you wanna talk animation porn, pretty much anything Gobelins is orgasmic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPJkqXZt7mI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ-n72sADsg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdqtzki5UNw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6ZmMjMdrqs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKI3hKDHKTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xp22IYL2uU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WImOE0Pwk3M

>>83576974
Yes Anon, anyone who doesn't agree with you on the Internet is baiting. Well done.

>>83576925
If the designs aren't bad, then go on and tell us how they're good then you faggot

>>83577006
Can you actually use real words that mean things, i.e. words other than "generic"? But nevermind, I guess it doesn't really matter what specific words you use in your attempts to lie about things.

>>83577024
Go and tell me how they're "generic," you faggot.

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>>83575005

Anything from Satoshi Kon
Too soon ;_;

>>83577068
>Tell nothing about the character
>Bland color pallets
>All pretty much have same faces
>Nothing interesting to distinguish them from the crowd of amateur anime artists and designers
Now tell me why you think they're good ret/a/rd

>>83576925
You are literally grasping at straws with your shitty strawman arguments.

I hang out on /a/ a hell of lot more than here and I love plenty of manga and anime. Ya know, not that its relevant to you having shit taste.

I'll get out of this thread now and go to bed so you don't have to get anymore upset by someone reminding you of this.

https://youtu.be/RLAfM1RXwRs
>Disney is the reason animation got huge in America and pushed it beyond funny little theatrical shorts and actually wanted to use it as a form of storytelling, even for rather dark material
>They're also the reason we're stuck in a ghetto and why this short will never be appreciated beyond the animation community and some film festivals

Being an animation fan is so conflicting sometimes.

>>83576974
But he's so infuriating! Not only is he wrong about everything, he's doing a terrible job arguing his position.

>>83577159
>Tell nothing about the character
Marisa is a witch and her appearance reflects that. Reimu is a miko and her appearance reflects that. Cirno is an ice fairy and her appearance reflects that. Sakuya is a servant and her outfit reflects that. Tatara is a personification of an umbrella, and she keeps trying to surprise people. Both traits are reflected in her design. And so on.

>Bland color pallets
The color palettes for Touhou characters are all over the place. Some don't have a lot of color (Marisa) while others have a lot (Clownpiece).

>All pretty much have same faces
Sameface is a meme.

>Nothing interesting to distinguish them from the crowd of amateur anime artists and designers
This is just a more verbose way of restating that they're "generic," and of course they actually aren't.

>>83577208
It's not a strawman argument, it's how people here behave all the time. This has nothing to do with my fictitious "shit taste" (which is just another meme).

>>83577343
This is pure projection.

>>83549987
is that still an xbone exclusive or is getting a pc port like KI?

>>83577343
That's what baiters do. They purposely infuriate by saying all the wrong things that will piss you off and are guaranteed to get your attention because of how wrong and stubborn they are.

This guy doesn't actually believe the shit he's spouting, he's doing it because he's bored. The instant you stop responding to him, he'll be forced to leave the thread.

He can respond to every person in here but as long as no one acknowledges him, he'll get bored himself and go. It's just like how you treat a child throwing a tantrum.

>>83577440
>Anyone who doesn't agree with me is baiting!
Please grow up.

https://youtu.be/pUud116FJgo
https://youtu.be/y6ZmMjMdrqs
https://youtu.be/KlXGzUouqjE
https://youtu.be/ZKal8pS6Qwg
https://youtu.be/ZaKxLJLj19E
https://youtu.be/N0QhvmisGWU
https://youtu.be/iFJ5s1bb7UQ

More animation gifs/webms

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http://penciltests.tumblr.com/
http://www.penciltestdepot.com/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHsvtGbmsQo

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https://youtu.be/t4dL7V0Y-EM
https://youtu.be/mZ6eeAjgSZI

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwB_tddU4jc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jUDwZtra_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EorkUqmeHds

>>83576668
Please go back to a

>>83578679
I didn't come from /a/.

Why does everyone hate CG so much?

>>83579834
We don't. I posted some CG examples throughout the thread. It's just that people who specialize in CG don't struggle as much to look for work. They have video games, feature film, commercial work. 2D animation has been canned, outsourced, or replaced in America so it's much harder to be profitable as one, which means it's a lot harder to make a living off a 2D animator so anyone who still breaks through those obstacles and continues to do it just for the love of the medium is seen as more admirable.

For the most part, it's really just independent animators and students who are keeping non-outsourced animation alive (With some commissioned and commercial work here and there).

Hell, even 2D puppetting and rigging has taken over and pushed traditional frame-by-frame animation of the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQboscYOV3Y
Even though this stuff is still good, you see it A LOT in commercial work. I'm in the process of searching for work in animation studios either as a 2D animator or a storyboard artist and the majority of them want After Effects animation, no one is really seeking frame-by-frame work. Which just makes it more appreciated because we don't get to see it that often.

So it's not that people hate CG, they just miss America actually doing 2D animation. Frame-by-frame as a job is pretty much dead in the U.S. Every now and then Steven Universe will have Jeff animate something, but it's not the same.

>>83580258
Adding more to the post. Something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X2m2WueNcU
Is basically considered "retro" or "throwback" in the animation world. It's sad that frame-by-frame animation has devolved to being "old-school".

>>83580258
None of that stuff is relevant to me, but I still don't like CG.

>>83579834
It's easier to like a pencil test than blocking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wog7ratP6yc

CG isn't appealing until the final product, whereas 2D animation is nice to look at even when it's basically scribbles.

Not that I hate CG, just saying why people might like 2D more.

>>83580498
Also CG ages worse than 2D. Old Popeye cartoons still hold up visually but something like Antz is hard to look at.

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Nice thread!
I love animating, more or less, even if it's such a frustrating job.

>>83576354
Hours?

>>83573971
The fuck?
That was good, but the fuck?

>>83574252
das cute.
it's a girl being a girl. We need more of dat.

>>83570525
Richard Williams! Gotta love the Thief and the Cobbler, never finished but beautiful animation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBvbNs7WSII

>>83581498
Charlie is retarded so he sees the world as a cartoon. The episode in question had each character fantasizing about how they would save the day and the UP sequence was charlie's

Sure cg-animation has saturated the market, but with foreign and indie movies I feel like about 2 or 3 genuinely great 2d animated movies come out every year, which is about the same ratio of quality as when traditional animation was taking in millions. I even saw 2 really good hand-drawn animated films in the theatre over the last few months. Does anybody else feel this way? That despite cg becoming more popular, and mainstream studios not going for 2d, we still get a bunch of wonderful 2d movies every year?

>>83582992
>That despite cg becoming more popular, and mainstream studios not going for 2d, we still get a bunch of wonderful 2d movies every year?
The difference is that we get a couple of good 2D films once a year worldwide vs. a couple of good in just America alone. America doesn't contribute to that list anymore, so the amount has shriveled. It's just that before, you didn't have as many film festivals or pirating options to go ahead and download Plague Dogs when it came out. And now Europe and China are tapping into the kids CG market. Once players like Plympton and Chomet stop making films, we're gonna have to rely entirely on Asia for 2D features.

Don't die, thread.

Bumpan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZet0xQseHU

>>83577354
It is a strawman argument and you calling every relevant adjective to describe the designs you posted isn't a "meem".

But please, don't let me stop you from burying your head in the sand.

>>83580787
Is this by those CRCR guys?

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Not my character, but I drew this up to demonstrate a suggested construction & walk cycle to the designer.

>>83589461
Was this done in TVPaint?

>>83553008
>making 3 minutes of animation
>play 3 minute song
>film 3 minutes of footage
All three of these are completely different.

>>83590027
But it's true. Playing the piano or recording a little skit with your friends all happens in real time. But just to rough out three minutes of animation can take 1 - 2 months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53HcAfgxctU
This took Toniko a month to do and it still only reaches two minutes.

>>83548396
What's the source for this?

>>83577354
>Marisa is a witch and her appearance reflects that. Reimu is a miko and her appearance reflects that.

Those things aren't character traits though - those are accessories. Good character designs are able to reflect more than just the most basic surface layer and aim to capture the more subtle nuances of a characters personality and demeanor, and even more abstract ideas like a character's role in a story or the overarching themes in their story/character arc. The reason people call Touhou's designs "generic" is because his characters are so devoid of these things that you could insert his characters designs into any old anime and no one would think they're out of place because they have no distinguishing design traits of their own outside of shallow decorations.

The fact that you can't describe anything about what these character are actually through they're designs besides "they're an X" is indication enough of how bland they are.

>>83589868
Indeed it was!

>>83576810
>http://elenamanetta.com/
I've seen your stuff around here before. Good work.