JSA Storytime: Suicide Squad

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>>83358697
1) what's out tomorrow

2) lol 'fandom is broken'

>>83358725
If it ain't broken last week, with CW2 #1 out tomorrow (I think), it will be.

F

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>>83358762
My body is ready; today I got to tell people about a 20-year old flamewar that STILL makes people cringe and not want to talk about it

>>83358725
>what's out tomorrow

Batman's the only thing I'm planning on picking up.

And normally I don't care that much about Batman. I just want to throw money at Tom King.

>>83358697
is waifu kill

>>83358725
lots of new stuff out tomorrow

Batman, Green Arrow, Humphries GLs, Superman...

And CW2 #1

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>>83358790
FFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

>>83358790

Oh do tell.

>>83358725
>'fandom is broken'
I didn't think that article was all wrong. The internet is a total game-changer, but twitter/modern internet in particular isn't any different to what went before in terms of this argument. Just more accessible, shallower, quicker.

>>83358810
Oh yeah...this idiot is toast.

Hoot hoot JSA anon

Some Ostrander SS to read while Blood&Wine is downloading? I've had worse Tuesday nights.

>>83358725
Douchebag told a fan to kill himself and regularly bullies people on internet, pretty hypocrite of him to criticize someone on their internet tendencies.

>>83358790
I feel bad about abusing Goliath's death for troll reasons, Goliath didn't deserve to get Millar'd. But maybe after Rhodey bites it, I'll feel better.

>>83358725
>fandom is broken

It is, on some level. I hate that Farci has a point.

Hell, remember when Simone questioned the whole thing some time ago? About being a fan of things without actually partaking in them?

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>>83358825
THE RAY WARS!

http://fanlore.org/wiki/The_Ray_Wars

>>83358838
It's always funny when someone writes something with some awful points and some good ones and the good ones are completely applicable to his own behavior and it goes right over his head, yes

>>83358725
>1) what's out tomorrow

nothing for me but it's good because I just started a Netflix trial and I need to watch at least Daredevil before the end of it

https://youtu.be/ShyrnGuElQc da Voice

>>83358697
so I was reading Miracleman by Moore and man it's so good, has all Mooreism but not to the full effect, I'll finish it tonight.

>>83358934
On another Earth, Percy is the greatest voice actor of his generation.

>>83358725

holy shit i did not expect such an explosion

i like faraci's writing and agree with most of that piece and i wish the criticism was less about one line that conflated #LesbianElsa and Ghostbusters hate that was interpreted with the minimum of faith behind it.

>interpret w minimum good faith, attack w maximum rhetorical force

>>83358860
You never, ever, ever get to have creative control of something you are not the or a creator of. It's that simple. You aren't entitled to anything beyond the product, which you can choose to buy or not.

This is especially true with blatant commercial comics like the ones we read. You could argue Dave Sim betrayed his readerbase (IMO you'd still be wrong) but you definitely can't argue Nick Spencer did.

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>>83358860
I love fandom's inventiveness (and sometimes I marvel at its perversion) but I've become really aware of and cautious about how people try to exercise control in it, and try to extend those things to creator interactions because Twitter and other social media make everyone so very accessible. It's not like the moderated newsgroup wherein JMS would answer B5 questions but moderated so you couldn't post story ideas.

>>83358926
>>83358790

ah man I was gonna make a H.E.A.T. joke

I've been thinking of trying to get together a Johnny Thunder reading list, since I've seen a few people curious about him since Rebirth.

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>>83358980
>micdrop

I can't believe how many people had to have "coffeeshop AU" explained either, but that's just a sign of my wasted youth.

>>83359003
there's not that much that's really focused on him, is there? Parobeck JSA, and those Morrison issues for Jakeem intro, then Stealing Thunder

>>83359003
Good ahead anon. He was a decent character on Roy Thomas JLA i like him.

>>83358934
I like how most of that thread was talking about his voice and not Green Arrow

>>83358954
I really like the Warpsmiths. And Evelyn.

>>83359003
That's be interesting. His role in JSA v2 is what most modern people know, and it's an extremely bitter pill considering he's a chipper-ass nerd in a suit.

>>83359035
The idea of an AU does not enter many people's brains.

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>>83359035
This is an interesting thread from a retailer:

twitter.com/RyanHigginsRyan/status/737719961750114304

>>83359035
I believe this guy just got #rekt

>>83358834
CD Projekt have come a long way. I hope their Cyberpunk 2077 is some gloriously fucked-up dystopian Eastern Bloc thing.

>>83359092

do i want to know what the 10 dollar 80 page is? or is Civil War that big

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>>83359092
pay attention to all of this for much, much, much later

>>83359154
I think it's the Deadpool one-week crossover

>>83359148
I wish gog.com could get more AAA so i can stop using steam.

>>83358725
A few Omni's that I've been looking forward to, only to find out I can't afford them. One day...

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>>83359164
I have a ton of complex and in places kind of ugly as well as deeply affectionate thoughts about fandom, tl;dr

>>83359174
I wish humble bundle would stop offering only steam keys.

>>83359211
Pity you aren't Mr Faraci

>>83359035
Shit like this is why i miss Big Black Waller.

She's just so damn expressive.

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>>83359035
But what if you factor in non-essential but still fun stuff he was in? Like that time evil Johnny Thunder made the Thunderbolt keep the JLA from ever forming?

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>>83359211
Is it just me or has McDonnell leveled up by this issue?

>>83359232
I am very very glad I am not him

>>83359092
>>83359164
>>83359211
>>83359265
Really love this whole scene.

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>>83359251
If you can hunt all that down, that's even better than my bare-bones schema up there

>>83359164
Could you imagine pre-fratricide Nightshade having this conversation with this dynamic? It's like she's transgressed so massively that all transgressions mean less to her.

If you think back to her mini, she is so much more timid and under direction in her one-to-one with the priest there. Here, she's the one pressuring Flag.

>>83359265
Eve's hair is inspirational, I guess.

>>83359224
That another annoying thing.

>>83359300
You want to be Enchantress again? You certainly have the dysfunctional issues to fit in on this team!

>>83359316
Gorgonesque.

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>>83359307
Good observation, she's become a lot harder quickly.

>>83359092
>that point on Black Panther
It's true, people saying the sales were because 'outside' people got interested because of Coates are really wrong. It had 15+ variants + shop exclusive variants + #1 + movie appearance. Coates had little to do with that high number. Even the people that picked up their first Black Panther comic because of reasons were comic fans.

>>83359370
Now the trade, however, is going to be killer

>>83359092
I actually saw people complain about Rebirth's second printing being 5.99. And I was like, yeah well it does suck if you didn't manage to get a copy when it was 2.99, but it's of higher quality AND for 80 pages it could still be higher. CW2 #1 is, what, 56 pages total and 5.99? If CW2 were 80 pages it probably would've 10 dollars. Maybe even more because why not.

>>83359298
Seconding this. Was not expecting a scene like that from Suicide Squad. Great stuff.

>>83359358
It's why Nightshade, further on - not leading the Squad, but above that, maybe in Waller's chair - feels like it could be something great. But the Wall is kinda irreplaceable.

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>>83359370
There's also the question that no one all delighted by those huge sales wants to look at--how many people read it, might have enjoyed it, but weren't excited enough to go back to the shop the next month and pay another $3.99 for another short installment?

I would like to hear from a variety of individual retailers about who came in to buy it and who comes back, because it's such an interesting test case of Big Name Writer and Character Everyone Liked In A Huge Movie.

>>83359265
The inker changed, might just be that

>>83359415
$10 for an 80 page one-off is a pretty hard sell compared to like, the Image trades.

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>>83359456
OH SHIT HERE WE GO

>>83359423
Skwad Rebirth has Rick coming into play (maybe because movie?), but I wonder if Williams will pull in Eve eventually as well. She's such a huge part of this original run.

>>83359415
Second print costs DC more on production because not nearly as many copies. People are retarded that know very little.

>>83359482
yesss BEST SUBPLOT

>>83359370
>were comic fans

I was reading an interview with Barry Windsor-Smith and he said the happiest he ever felt in comics was when his barber told him that he had never rad a comic, but knew Smith made them so he went out and bought an issue of Archer and Armstrong and really enjoyed it. He talked about the need to reach " civilians" and how magazines like TCJ and Wizard really just preach to the choir

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Funko Squad line ups out. Enchantress is a nice surprise but

#WheresTheWall

>>83359482
I don't know what's to come but her political connections and social skillset give her a whole other avenue to go down.

Rick Flag and Deadshot cannot charm a fucking senator. Eve could.

>>83359482
Y'know, this sub-plot is really Gerber-ish.

>>83359482
>creampied

>>83359520

I saw someone tweeting excerpts from a BWS interview I think with Comics Journal? showing his contempt for cape comics. they were hilarious

>>83359521
Enchantress looks pretty spoopy. But
>4 different Jokers
Was that really necessary?

>>83359494
It's also square bound instead of the regular stapled floppy

>>83359521
I hate these goddamn things, a bunch of my friends collect them.

>>83359456
Haw. I kinda wonder about my LCS sometimes, the owner and several of the cashiers know me by face even though I'm a bad person who only picks up my pull once a month and never talk. With various hats and different hair.

Like, do they know me because I'm the only person who buys Omega Men?

>>83359092
>I honestly think Marvel can get away with almost anything at this point.
>I don't think Marvel cares. They seem to be immune to price points.

qft

I'm still annoyed how Black Panther #1 was 4.99 but had like 3 extra pages and how 4.99 is apparently their standard #1 price point now.

>>83359521
Guess it really is the Joker and Harley Show. Can't say that makes me excited.

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>>83359472
Oh, that's very true

>>83359536
Hnnng I'd love to read a modern comic that worked the political/DC social scene angle with her

>>83359570
I would like you for that.

>>83359578
well they are two of DC's most popular characters

>>83359521
>4 Joker variants
>no Wall

EXPLAIN

>>83359569
I feel bad for buying Rocket and Groot

holy shit you guys weren't kidding about Percy's voice.

>>83359521
>4 Jokers
>3 Harleys

And you know all of them are gonna sell better than the rest of the Squad

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>>83359578
fuck the Joker and not i nthe fun way either

so tired of Joker

>>83359539
This is Suicide Squad's Elf with a Gun.

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>>83359629
FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUCK

>>83359521
Why the fuck is Croc in the Suicide Squad movie? He was never part of the team in the comics, was he?

>4 jokers

I blame Johns

>>83359560
It was probably Fiffe, he loves when people just throw massive shade in interviews. That's the interview that the " Rob Liefled doesn't have a single book in his house" line comes from

>>83359596
FUN FACT THIS DIRECTLY INSPIRED WARREN ELLIS' MOON KNIGHT #1

>>83359569
I saw some for the first time at my LCS this weekend (I had to go down an aisle I don't normally walk through). They are cute but I don't have space for shit that doesn't do anything.

>>83359602
Storytimer is almost soley responsible for me being a DC fan outside of Flash/Green Lantern.

Then DC itself seems to almost love reminding me why I became a Marvel guy.

>>83359645

I think he was on the nu52 team for a while and he's a big bruiser type for them to have

>>83359645
I'm just glad they only added Harley and Croc and didn't make 50% of the team Batman villains

>>83359643
I was thinking the exact same thing.

>>83359629
Well now you get 3 of them.

>>83359629
I know, but...sales. Normie dollars. If it takes him and Will Smith and all that to get a good Katana costume, an accurate Waller, and SS trades? And maybe bringing black comedy in over quips?

I'm fine with that. Wish there were more Waller merch, but whatever.

>>83358697
Hello Storyteller.

I am late.
>more Nightshade
Yay!

>>83358725
Fandom is always "broken". Fuckin' nerds always got something to bitch about.

>>83359645
King Shark was, but Croc is a Batman villain so he's probably a better draw

Do you think Rebirth (oneshot and all series) doing really well would make marvel drop the prices on some of their books or no

I want to believe marvel will have a 2.99 book eventually but...

>>83359614
???

>>83359690
>Fuckin' nerds always got something to bitch about.

But it's normalfags bitching this time.

>>83359569
I bought more of those than I'd like to admit (I have 14 counting Songbird, the TARDIS, and the DeLorean), but I managed to escape the pull.

>>83359715

see >>83358934

>>83359712
>Do you think Rebirth (oneshot and all series) doing really well would make marvel drop the prices on some of their books or no
absolutely not

>>83359521
Rick a cute though

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>>83359688
true. sacrifices have to be made.

>>83359727
I don't get the appeal, but I've never collected much of anything.

>>83359712
>>83359729
>people bought a book priced at 2.99?
>that must mean they're willing to buy books priced at 7.99!

>>83359712
Nope. Marvel has the Disney/Star Wars money to keep them going. If anything...we'll see 5.99 an issue in a couple years.

>>83359675
Nah, Croc's never been on the team.

>>83359690
I don't think fandom is broken so much as journalism is broken. Or more broken.

Though I've heard it said that the peak of identity-politics clickbait was actually a couple of years ago, and readers are now starting to get bored with it. But the problem remains that comics journalism is a weird mix of regurgitated corporate press releases and politicized commentary.

>>83359718
>cranky's retarded
So what else is new?

>>83359783

it's the boiling frog thing. Marvel's been at it so long now it's too late

>>83359712
I actually just got off the phone with my LCS. I mostly buy trades off IST because, despite being the LCS it's a half-hour drive away. ANYWAY, I asked if they had any Rebirth yet, and they actually said that, for a week, it was down to $1.50

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>>83359744
>>83359785
the Return of Marvel NOW! (no Martin Guerre) does sound a little panicky to me; I think the 'season' model is fine for some niche books but sure as hell not mainline.

>>83359728
>>83358934
holy shit he sounds amazing

>>83359782
I think it's because they make toys of a lot of franchises that don't have much merch.

>>83359744
Normiebux is also why we have DnA GotG trades (and proooobably Priest BP). I'm quite fine with the movie, but even if I hated it, REPRINTS BAYBEE

>>83358926
>http://fanlore.org/wiki/The_Ray_Wars
This whole thing sounds like something made up by the Simpsons.

>>83359807
I like 4chan.org in part because of individual identity here. People see the bad side of anonymity and never consider the good.

>>83359783
>>that must mean they're willing to buy books priced at 7.99!
well, I mean, they ARE

they do a LOT of 7.99 and occasionally 9.99 Deadpool books and other specials and nobody gives a single fuck about the price

>>83359782
Most of it is they're small so you can have a lot of them and they can be pretty cute
They also make them for franchises that don't get much merch and those fans can get thirsty

>>83359728
Holy shit.

>>83359300
Y'know June, I suspect kissing Eve would transfer the Enchantress back to you.

... I mean, you could try that.

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>>83359853
I am not shitting you when I say that people remember this vividly and will still fight about it to this day.

okay, I'm clicking on this Percy video once I make some tea

>>83359835
I don't hate seasons, so much as I hate renumberings with the same creative team for obvious sales reasons.

If they're attached to creator runs ending and let people do runs in different continuities, where applicable? Neato. If you're going to hop onto a new status quo, do it big-time. Take us back to the 80s as the 80s status quo existed.

>>83359782
Good gifts for women.

>>83358934
>>83359728
I hope he's not using anything to lower the pitch because he sounds exactly like the voiceovers for trailers

>>83359940
ha ha ha ha ha ha

>>83359835
I wouldn't say panicky. ANAD was a big failure (in large part because they underestimated how weirdly anal people would be about starting series before Secret Wars ended). Rebirth is heating up and, with Marvel being Marvel, they need to divert attention from it.

Admittedly, the return to "Marvel NOW!" is....dumb. But hey, they're the masters of spin. They'll figure out how to make it work for them.

>>83360003
Strategic use of Deadpool could probably play it off. Or they could just blatantly ignore any criticism and move forward, as per usual.

Did you start Morrowind OP?

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>>83359933
are you ready for some FUCKING BONUS?

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>>83360054
not yet, I helped my sister clean her house today, and my left shoulder has been shit and Elder Scrolls games make it a lot worse

>>83360049
>ignore criticism
>add more variants
>especially skottie young variants
>rake in dough and crush every other publisher

how do they do it

>>83360003
I want DC to launch DCYou Too.

Especially if it coincides with Multiversity Too.

>>83360061
we street fighter now and I love it

>>83360078
this bonus book thing is a neat idea

>>83360088
>DC Eventually

>>83359835

We had quite a few retailers bitching about it here.

It's not helping their long term sales either.

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>>83360078

>>83360113
It would be a miniseries these days.

>>83360088
>DCYou(ng Animal)

Does that help anon, even if that's not what they intended

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>>83360130
as in a thread on /co/?

>>83360049
They seem a little torn between capitalizing on Deadpool's popularity and their ban on promoting X-characters.

He's the one X-character who does get promotion, but I think they'd be pushing him a lot harder if they owned the movie rights.

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>>83360158
And the retailer I linked with the awful BP second issue sales said that his Deadpool is declining fast as well--maybe the Duggan Long Form Project is reaching diminishing returns, IDK, or it might be his one shop

>>83360158

That's a scary thought.

Back to the days of Headpool and Kidpool and Lady Deadpool and ....

>>83360061
>>83360078
Wait, what? The scans I have didn't include this.

>>83359718
>But it's normalfags bitching this time.
About what?

>>83359807
But that's every form of media. And journalism has always been a giant crock of shit.

Hell, I'm sure Storyteller could tell us stories about how even operas get changed and fucked with because of news outlets or to appeal to certain trends.

>>83360158
It manages to temper him just enough. Remember the Way era?

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>>83360192
Deadpool Corps was a lot less fun than THOR CORPS

>>83360149

Yeah.

One even said the reason Black Panther's sales are high is because Marvel made it a requirement for some of the Star Wars variants.

>>83360191
Those first three lines are pretty much the best monologue ever.
>Death is my business partner... the afterlife is my bank... tonight I make a deposit.

>>83360061
I came across two of these while storytiming Flash, the first one I skipped because it was a Dr. Rape story that had nothing to do with Flash, the other one was a Blue Trinity story which was clearly more linked to Wally than the previous one.

>>83360218

I hope Spencer brings together a Cap Corps

>>83360088
Has Morrison talked about Multiversity Too at all since it was announced?

It's been like a year and I don't remember anything else

>>83360191
I'd be kind of surprised if it was anything specifically local. Deadpool seems pretty popular among people I know around here.

(The retailer you linked is the owner of my LCS; I've linked him before here.)

>>83360191
>Death is my business partner
>The afterlife is my bank
>Tonight, I make a deposit
This is hilarious.

>>83360191
Duggan volume 2 just hasn't been has good. Maybe the creative well's running dry, maybe it's the lack of Posehn. Spider-Man/Deadpool's doing great though.

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>>83360218
oh my god, Percy DOES sound like...wow

>>83360257
They've done Cap Corps, no? Kind of shitty choices for it though.

>>83358810
By this point Ronnie's brain was pudding. He could have killed Cray's opponent and he STILL wouldn't have known about it.

>>83360257
We have an entire cast ready from the last time we did that in the 90s...oh wait Spence already offed Jack.

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>>83360246
link?

>>83360293
>when re-coloring goes wrong

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>>83359629
You and I should talk, citizen.

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>>83360328
pffffft

>>83360246
LINK

Because I can believe it. I think the hip hop variants made retailers get different books for the cover.

>>83360322
Good old Orientalism. We didn't get enough of this in Captain Atom.

Was it ever mentioned why Tolliver wants Cray to get re-elected? If so, I don't recall.

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>>83360341

>>83360293
>neiko
Oh, 80s. Couldn't get a Japanese man's name right to save their life. Still can't, but at least people realized Japan likes Hiro puns as much as we do.

>>83360210
I don't know if this has gotten worse but it annoys me that fans and journalists alike feel entitled to speak for entire groups.

Like it's not enough to say "I don't like this kind of art," it's become "this kind of art drives girls away from reading comics," even though there's no actual evidence that it does.

I guess journalists projecting their own tastes on "the people" is a common enough thing now that I think about it.

>>83360257
Cap Corps would be far more interesting than HydraCap desu senpai
Hell, use that Captain America Inc. plot from Millar's Ultimates with Steve officially endorsing it.

>>83360293
Percy should be voice acting stuff, not writing

or like, release himself reading Green Arrow scripts after the issues come out

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>>83360348
>>83360356
Captain Atom was pretty good about avoiding the obvious pitfalls, as is Manhunter

this is clearly the work of a comparative n00b

>>83360356
I keep seeing it as 'Neko' and going nyan nyan~

>>83360322

http://desustorage.org/co/thread/83325327/#83328413

This is just for the Star Wars stuff, though there were retailers in the thread.

There've been a few bitching about Marvel's reboots for a while now.

>>83360328
I will never get tired of this meme.

>>83359629
I don't really understand why people like the Joker so much.

>>83360368
>Like it's not enough to say "I don't like this kind of art," it's become "this kind of art drives girls away from reading comics," even though there's no actual evidence that it does.

But thee fair maidens needeth protection...eth.

>>83360383
The Cambodian was literally a big evil samurai with a sword that could cut anything though.

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>>83360368
my uncharitable side notes how quickly the call of "Not everything has to be for you!" aimed at the dudebros/oldfans/etc. becomes "Anything for you is excluding ME".

>>83360401
There was a clear use of the Ledger Joker makeup in a fucking production of Fidelio. This shit has gone too far.

>>83360368
So much shit these days is about identity, and how that is helped or harmed by something.

>>83360383
This is totally Wolverine Mini-tier weeabooism.

>>83360415
I am so glad Katana doesn't look like a Japanese/Chinese samurai/lawn ornament mashup any more

the red and yellow aaaaargh

>>83358926
>http://fanlore.org/wiki/The_Ray_Wars

That is ridiculous. Rendered even more ridiculous by the undercurrent of all of it being gay shipping.

>>83360401
Good visual design in addition to the same reason people loved quippy 80s/early 90s slasher villains.

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>>83360437
sorry, dog insisted on going out and that's become a fucking operation, now

>>83360383
>I can't tell you how happy I am to see you.
>*they progressively move closer to each other with each panel*

>>83360191
Bigbang said they were seeing drops as well.

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>>83360540
>>83360442
and a lot less of the charm

>>83360473
gay shipping wasn't the undercurrent, it was the wave itself

>>83360472
Her bosozoku outfit in squad is fucking superb.

>>83360540
Dog no better?

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>>83360562
>>83360572
did Costuming do their homework?

>>83360263
Expect news on it at con season along with Flash Earth One and Superman Earth One and Batman Black and White

>>83360616
They did. She's got one of the iconic japanese biker looks, as an update it's pitch-perfect AND it's executed in a way that looks in multiple mediums.

Laughing at people who think it's just another black uniform.

>>83360658
And maybe the Milestone relaunch.

>>83360572
>>83360616
It's one piece of synergy I don't mind since all of Katana's comic outfits are garbage or at best generic

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>>83360602
He's exploring a little bit more around the house and I bought a big bottle of imitation vanilla extract because apparently scent-tagging things with it can help a blind doggie learn some patterns. But still very frustrated and angry at the world.

>>83360706
Ah, I didn't realise he was blind now. That sucks real bad.

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>>83360706
raise your hand if you remember Dukakis in a tank

also, round 5 of Red Skull in Waifu Academy is fucking ridiculous, how can you keep the streak going

>>83359423
>But the Wall is kinda irreplaceable.

Everyone is irreplaceable once you've grown attached to them in a particular role.

Director Eden would be "The Wall" of people familiar to her in charge of the Squad.

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>>83360734
Yeah, had thought he was developing a fear of the tile but apparently what it is is that the dogabetes did damage before caught that took time to fully express, and he's clearly lost a lot of functional vision to the point where he bumps straight into objects. It's really painful to watch, I've had a few good cries.

>>83360218
Where would you rank the various Marvel Corps

Thor Corps
Captain America Corps
Captain Marvel Corps
Deadpool Corps

>>83360751
I will never get tired of the fact that you insist on calling the game "Waifu Academy".

Speaking of games though, the absurd amount of Overwatch porn that's coming out now that the game is actually on shelves is similarly amusing.

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>>83360786
It's incredibly frustrating too because the vet is finally happy with his blood sugar curve. And I feel awful because if we'd caught it earlier, but so much was going on with the situation he was in the middle of that no one thought to take him in, thought he was just showing age.

>>83360813
Wasn't Overwatch the game that had a bunch of fuckwits get annoyed that one character's victory pose showed off some butt, so they changed it?

How much of the porn is of that character?

>>83360368
I think someone should commission some formal poll of comic book readers so we can find out some actual information on what they like and don't like.

Even the Big Two are famous for doing hardly any market research. The only thing I could find online was somebody doing a quick count of how many self-identified comic book fans there are on Facebook.

I really have no idea who the comic book audience is or what they want.

>>83360813
Tbf a lot of the characters in that were obviously going to have tons of porn

>>83360843
Tracer is overrated desu senpai

>>83360813
The porn started with the beta. I think like 10 million people played it when it was free. Making porn was all they had once the beta ended and the wait for the game began

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>>83360843

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>>83360840
so is any of it GOOD porn?

>>83360786
>>83360840
If he can map out his area it should work better, but that is probably easier with a younger dog. It's not something to feel guilty about though - you're keeping him going.

Nick Spencer vs Andrew Wheeler is heating up on twitter

>>83360846

when's someone gonna pull a moneyball for comics.

>>83360874
I'm a filthy console pleb. I'm a pleb when it comes to a lot of things.
I play consoles/handhelds, I watch dubbed anime, and I read Big Two. My kind are universally hated on 4chan!

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>>83360893
SFM porn

>>83360846
LCSs could be matchmakers to poll pull owners, those people are the ones who really determine if stuff sells or not.

>>83360893
Depends what kinda porn you're into senpai. Probably nothing to equal the JSA strip club table.

>>83360916

the only vidja i've actually bought in years has been FIFA and Call of Duty. casuals have more fun.

i'm jealous as fuck of overwatch, looks so interesting

>>83360924
>nothing there has anything to do with the gorilla

>>83360941
I'm not really clear on what Overwatch IS, I just know everybody's going apeshit for it

>>83360924
>tracer most popular
so gross

>>83360843
You're probably thinking of Tracer, the sort of mascot of the game. Look. I know I keep saying this, but it bears repeating. People, please please please, stop listening to what radicals say.

Or, better yet, people, pick your battles. Overwatch is 1) a Blizzard game, and 2) clearly not meant to be taken seriously, and takes a lighthearted-ish tone. This really the hill you wanna die on?

And y'all know I'm a huge prude, so when I say that an instance of fanservice isn't worth bitching about, you know it's fucking harmless.

>>83360964
You too, eh? Is it an MMO? Shooter? No fucking clue.

>>83360964

From what I can gather I think it's the new TF2 with more classes and sexy ladies. (maybe sexy men too but i'm not running the numbers)

>>83360843
Yeah both sides got mad and then it turned out that the changed pose still showed her backside so Blizzard got easy publicity.

>>83360964
It's a really fun team shooter game where everyone has crazy abilities.

>>83360915
>Nick Spencer vs Andrew Wheeler is heating up on twitter
You got any particularly juicy links

>>83360964
It's team fortress two with more female porn.

>>83360964
Class based multiplayer shooter. It's kind of a hybrid of Team Fortress and some light moba elements

>>83360987
I know it's some kind of multiplayer vidya but that's about all I can tell

>>83360988
>maybe sexy men too
I've seen loads of art of some samurai looking guy so apparently!

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>>83360906
He's a stubborn cuss (schnauzer, you know?) but I have to be optimistic. But it's just so unfair and it breaks my heart when he stands in the hallway and cries.

>>83360915
oh do tell

>>83360988
the men are low-tier unless you're into CLANG CLANG

>>83360751
Are you following the autism schedule for Bucky from leddit? That's basically the only way to do it if you don't want to use shards (and then you have to use shards anyway on the last thing in the warehouse) or spend a few turns grinding on his streak 5 minions to upgrade your normal troops to beat level 10s to upgrade your resistant troops.

Fuck this game is horrible.

>>83360915
Actual quote from the EiC of Marvel a couple of years ago: "While we don’t have any market research, the eyes don’t lie. If you go to conventions and comic book stores..."

I think market research often shows that the eyes *do* lie.

>>83360915
you can't say that and not post some examples

>>83361031
>If you go to conventions and comic book stores

I wonder how that's doing now that sales in book stores and digital are rising

>>83361017
The samurai guy looks like every other samurai guy ever, and he's named after a NINJA

FML, such a waste

>>83361017
There's a ninja cyborg guy and a samurai archer guy who are brothers, so that should be some serious gay shit right there.

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Nothing is sacred on the Internet, and as Rule 34 tells us — if it exists, there’s porn of it somewhere. Blizzard’s recently released Overwatch is apparently no exception, and those making Overwatch porn are starting to get hit with DMCA takedown notices and their NSFW Overwatch content is being removed from various services.

A reddit user posted that he’d received at least two DMCA takedown notices for Overwatch videos he’d posted on Pornhub. The problem might not be the content itself, but rather the method in which the content is being generated. The redditor, spornm, used the Valve Source Filmaking Kit to rip assets from Overwatch and then creates his videos using those assets, which is most definitely grounds for a solid case by Blizzard.

>>83361000

just check Spencers twitter but I think Wheeler deleted some of the starting tweets

OG tweet
https://twitter.com/wheeler/status/737692982569259009
Spencers stuff is all on his page, starting
https://twitter.com/nickspencer/status/737817202833793027

>>83361078
>Overwatch porn are starting to get hit with DMCA takedown
that's hilarious

>>83360846
>>83360930
>>83360915

I think a great idea would be one of those pull-out or cut-out surveys that you used to find in really old comics.

Maybe have a big+rare prize for it. Maybe convince the LCSes themselves to accept the surveys and mail them, if the readers are too lazy. If maybe 5-10 readers do it in every LCS, you'd get a decent sampling of the actual buyers, not the pirates or the "i don't even read comics but i feel my opinion matters" crowd.

IIRC, Shueisha and other manga compaanies did/do the same thing, mostly to see which series people are actually reading in their anthologies.

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>>83361021
Oh Amanda

>>83361028
I can't do that, I happen to like sleeping, so I guess forget Bucky

oh well

>>83360893
>So is any of it GOOD porn?
I'd say so.

>>83360965
There's actually a fair amount of Mei since the game launched. That's actually kinda progressive in a sense, gamers like them some gals with a bit of meat on their bones.

>>83361023
To be fair, if you don't like clang clang, that's your own damn fault.

>>83361031
>While we don’t have any market research, the eyes don’t lie. If you go to conventions and comic book stores...
But you're supposed to do market research to figure out ways to expand your customer base, not just to know who's buying! Why would you actively hate profits?

This post was originally written in all caps.

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>>83361105
(Sorry, I didn't run Deadshot because I haven't gotten the good scanz)

>>83361104

they used to do it, i've seen them in scans and some websites posting them to laugh about bc silver age.

>>83361093
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

>>83359300
Well, that escalated quickly.

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>>83361130
WHOOPS!

no, we didn't skip an issue

>>83361104
The Jump polls are notoriously toxic, though

That's the engine that killed Double Arts. And then the author made Nisekoi for the world that betrayed him. It was our fault.

>>83361093
>it's an extended-monologues-on-twitter-when-a-blog-post-would-be-so-much better episode

>>83361093
aw, Wheeler deleted a bunch of his tweets

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>>83361156
ugh, Jump polls, yeah

>>83361188

which ones? I kept the tab open though i feel bad about it with him tweeting about being depressive and what not.

>>83359645
>He was never part of the team in the comics, was he?

I feel as though requiring a character to have been on the team before would be a limiting factor in the stories the could tell, movie or comic.

They probably picked him to have a big tanky character, and went with Croc, so it'd be a Gotham baddie to do more organic exposition with Harley/about Joker.

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>>83361195

So reading my trade collections of this, I'm curious, did OP storytime Legends?

>>83361188
>Shame on you. God damn it, is this what you want? Death threats are bad, but trying to pillory a suicidal depressive is cool? Fuck you.
Feels like we're never gonna hit the end of this Cap drama.

>>83361188
>>83361219

i don't feel as bad about copy/paste because it's not an image tho

>long thread
>Femmes in the Fridge @FemmesinFridges 9h9 hours ago
Which, today, is not fan entitlement to elsa's sex life. Its "hey we are getting REALLY bad at controlling our anger& its scaring creators!"

>Andrew Wheeler @Wheeler 8h8 hours ago
@FemmesinFridges From where I'm sitting, fans asking for rep has been hijacked/derailed by a conversation about poor creators.

>Femmes in the Fridge @FemmesinFridges 8h8 hours ago
@Wheeler & from where creators are sitting, convos asking not to be threatened with death are being derailed by a couple lines in an article

>Andrew Wheeler @Wheeler @FemmesinFridges Sounds like comic creators could afford to look past themselves a little bit, because none of this starts there.

>I was working on my piece both lauding the storytelling in Steve Rogers #1 and framing the range of responses. Guess I won't bother.
L O L
O
L

>>83360158
They won't even add Scarlet Witch to the Avengers cartoons because she's partly an X-character. If they had Deadpool's movie rights Disney XD would be 24 hours of Deadpool.

>>83361245
>Nick Spencer @nickspencer 18m18 minutes ago
>I am thoroughly exhausted with watching creator after creator getting treated like a punching bag by this person.
>And frankly, the only thing I'm embarrassed about is not calling him when I watched him to do it to others before this.
>So yeah, my request: please don't give this guy the traffic and the attention he so craves.


>@Wheeler 26s26 seconds ago
>Nick Spencer followed me until today. He knows I'm struggling with depression, but he decided to paint a target on me anyway.

>>83361245
Starfire went away in about three weeks. This is Marvel and we're not even one week in, it's not going to be a thing next week Wednesday.

CW2 is happening, sempai

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>>83361230
missed it, my bad

>>83361245
This is the point where you block and agree to never look at the other person again, for your mutual sanity. Oog.

>>83361264
>Which, today, is not fan entitlement to elsa's sex life. Its "hey we are getting REALLY bad at controlling our anger& its scaring creators!"
Do I even want to know?

Though personally, I don't like the idea of Elsa having a love interest, male or female. Unless it's a politics thing, it's going to feel forced and awkward.

>@Wheeler 1m1 minute ago
>If your response to people's expressions of pain is to try to launch a harassment campaign against them, well, hail Hydra to you too, buddy.

he seems to think he's just been tweeting into a vacuum?

>>83361245
I surprisingly don't care. Not even in a "spectator egging things on" way.

>>83361264
Just jumping past the argument, I don't really agree with his implied point, which is that the death threats are linked to fan frustration over the lack of representation.

Journalists always think that bad behavior (of whatever kind) could be cured if their pet issue was attended to.

>>83361328
Putting Vixen and Tiger together really exposes some problems with old coloring style, but eh.

>>83361366
>hail Hydra to you too, buddy
Call Neiko, he needs to make a deposit. I'm dying here.

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>>83361348
There was this big #GiveElsaAGirlfriend hashtag push

Me, I'd be happy if Elsa was single and completely happy that way. How many A-list women get to be categorically single?

>>83361370
it was amusing as a spectator the first day or two, now it's just tiring

>>83361105
Bucky is only early access anyway so he'll be available normally eventually. I upgraded BP and Agent 13 all the way already so I'm mostly content at this point if I don't get anything else.

>>83360779
That sounds dangerously close to filthy casual speak, anon.

>>83361429
>Me, I'd be happy if Elsa was single and completely happy that way
same, I hope the sequel leaves her single

she seemed pretty happy at the end of the movie and in the springtime short anyway

>>83361429
> Clark's at the table

>>83361366
He's an idiot. You can't have free right of criticism and not take any yourself because you're a unique individual. Everyone is a unique individual. Spencer has been getting literal death threats from a crowd that would tantrum if they were directed the other way.

oh now Spencer deleted all his tweets about Wheeler too

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>>83359847
Mostly this. Funco has literally every license ever, and they are not afraid to use them.

>>83361104
WB already has their A-List program where they send out surveys for mainly movies and TV. It wouldn't be hard to get a comics version of that for DC.

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>>83361439
It's gone over the edge into really personal and mean and nasty to a degree that even I, inveterate reader of fandom_wank, have to cringe.

>>83361450
ohhh, then fuck that, I'll try to upgrade Madame Hydra next

>>83361496
that's for the best

>>83361297
Yeah, I feel like the result of having some new big fucking controversy every couple days is that nobody can bother to care about them for long.

>>83361429
>There was this big #GiveElsaAGirlfriend hashtag push
Yeah, I heard about that. For a second I was dreading a story of a specific incident.

>Me, I'd be happy if Elsa was single and completely happy that way. How many A-list women get to be categorically single?
Seriously. Granted, Frozen's subversive elements still managed to be very 'safe', but I hope they keep it up by not forced some dumbass romance subplot. I mean, unless Anna and Kristoff are having issues, that'd be fine.

>>83361488
>from a crowd that would tantrum if they were directed the other way

"It's okay when we do it."
-Social Justice

>>83361503
I'm really glad I think they're uggo and I'm /toy/-tier about articulation. Nendos, on the other hand, RIP my wallet.

>>83361557
I mean, that literally is part of the argument - treating everyone equally favors the powerful over the "marginalized," so to get equal rights some groups have to be treated more equal than others.

It makes sense in theory, it rarely works out so great though.

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>>83361545
It's funny in that LJ-based media fandom also did trigger warnings in a huge and massively unpleasant way in 2009. Fandom: we're so ahead of the curve~

>>83358926
There's something weirdly familiar about all that. People being characterfags to the point of trolling one another and circle jerking their hate within their own tribe.

>>83361496
Ha Slott got this ball rolling https://twitter.com/DanSlott/status/737699278068559872
So Slott.

>>83360218
Thordis would suck a lot less if a good writer could set her up in a Thor Corps along with Thor, Bill, Thunderstrike, and Tarene.

>>83361545
I have a feeling some kind of nerf is coming anyway on Red Skull just because it is so hard and there's been glitches for some people so I'm still grinding, but yeah. If they don't then I won't be upset.

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>>83361596

>>83361640
The weird thing about observing all this is this is almost entirely an intra-left fight. It's like the Judean Comics Front vs. the Comics Front of Judea.

>>83360253
>the first one I skipped because it was a Dr. Rape story that had nothing to do with Flash,

Ironically that story DOES have an impact on Suicide Squad, though, because I'm pretty sure that's the story were the Boys Blue (a group of 12 year olds) beat him up, leading to his fear of kids.

>>83361547
The Internet Age has sadly made sensationalism the norm. With everyone in near constant communication with each other, the world has become a community full of gossipy gadflies who are always looking for the next big thing to yap about to their friends.

>>83361473
Frozen 2 needs to address that Elsa is able to create sentient lifeforms out of snow. This is not something that can be swept under the rug, dammit.

>>83361640
that Marine thing is pretty creepy, whoever wrote that needs help

and of course Slott screencapped Wheeler, ha

>>83361429
Queen Elizabeth the First and that's about it.

>>83360811
>Captain Marvel Corps

This should just be a Marvel Corps, and that way they can also include all the various Marvel Boys and Marvel Girls, too.
Marvel characters with Marvel in their name are bad at keeping it in their name.

>>83361596
You mean like Scans Daily?

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>>83361704
Did you get to the part where Crossbones says Thunderbolts yeah, and the Baron says YOU STOLE ZEMO'S IDEA!

the writers are big ol' nerds

>>83361733
ahahahahahahaha high school english class-kun

>>83361743
That's Navy Seal-tier copypasta come on

>>83361772
I'm still SO mad that Captain Marvel Corps was just KSD wanking off the Carol Corp instead of a team of the various Captain Marvel characters teaming up.

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>>83361780
I don't think it actually hit scans_daily per se, it was more of an issue in fic-writing communities wherein the conflict was between:

pro-warnings: it's responsible to the community and people within it to put warnings on your fic for things like death, rape, etc., and if you don't you're hurting people

warnings-skeptical: it's not my job to take care of your mental health, and I might not agree with the labels that you want to put on my fic, especially dub-con.

It got really ugly and personal, in part because it was about control and people who really disliked certain things getting to shame others who liked them.

>>83360257
I prefer the Captains America Initiative that I think we came up with in one of these threads. Every state gets a Cap, and we resurrect morts like US-1 and Superpro to fill in once we get through good characters and states populated enough to genuinely need a Cap.

>>83361845
Is the Carol Corps even still a thing at this point? I mean, I know it barely was to begin with, but even so, haven't heard a peep since Kelly Sue left the book.

>>83361772
>Carol Corps is literally just Carol's fan club
>not a group of her old Air Force pals to help her fight crime
Reee.

>>83361845
For once, Monica-fags are justified in being pissed.

>>83361788
No, I've been slacking on Crossbones. I guess that's part of his questline?

I hope the inevitable Thunderbolts event isn't hell like this but they seem to be getting worse

>>83361723
And the Judean Carbon-print Comics Front.

And the Comics Front of Judea. Splitters.

>>83361894
That's what I want, yeah. That would be a doomed but great book idea.

>>83361895
It was largely a Kelly Sue creation, I think. I didn't like the book much but she was very canny and clever at using the media and social media to build what looked like a fan community for it.

Now that Fazekas and Butters are writing it, the quality is actually better, but they're not full-time comic writers so they don't have time to go around promoting it.

>>83361296
>Nick Spencer followed me until today. He knows I'm struggling with depression, but he decided to paint a target on me anyway.

But the creators are the ones that need to look past their entitlement?

I hate to agree with Faraci but he's totally right for once. Just look at the Felicity fangirls railing on Gail Simone just for being upset about Black Canary dying on Arrow.

Or when the Felicity fans, because I could offer up a mountain of their bullshit, attacked DC's main twitter page for posting a Green Arrow/Black Canary image on V-Day. Or sending death threats to Katie Cassidy and Amell's wife.

Or the so called fans bombarding Brubaker for HydraCap even though he isn't the writer. Or sending Spencer getting death threats because people don't like a story decision. I don't like it either, not entirely because of MUH CAP but more because it's a tired story I wish Marvel would stop doing but Spencer doesn't deserve any real harassment over it.

Seeley got shit for Grayson, King got shit for Omega Men, Amanda Conner got attacked for Harley's relationship with Joker, the list goes on.

These people don't owe you shit. And they sure as hell don't deserve to be treated like crap over comic books.

>>83361895
There are Carol fans who get really hyped about fan-casting women who resemble Cockrum Carol more than Anka Carol. It's weird.

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>>83361873
DAMMIT FLOYD

>>83361895
they were more the KSD Corps than the Carol Corps I think

>>83361992

Perfect Deadshot moment

>>83361723
Wouldn't be as interesting as if it wasn't because it would clearly become a thing where one calls the other a sexist/racist/homophone whatever otherwise. Kind of forced to actually acknowledge the logic involved when they agree on basics already.

>>83361992
That Lincoln. Every time.

>>83361992
he was just following orders

>>83361992
This is such a great conclusion to that "I'm nothing like you!" spiel Flag had after Batman came knocking.

>>83361992
Stone fucking cold.

>>83361992
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUjG1HSSaGI

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>>83361978
>they don't have time to go around promoting it.
I feel so much for every author who is not a natural at this social media interaction thing but has to work at it because publishing doesn't do decent promotion any more.

>>83361921
Crossbones looks like an affable Juggalo, which is almost charming in this game, really

>>83361992
Fuck, this always gets me.

>>83361989
At least they have some taste.

>>83361993

Seeing as they were attacking Monica fans on Tumblr I'd wager they actually didn't give a shit, they had just bought into the hype Marvel and KSD pushed.

>>83361992
mmm

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>>83362076

>>83362034
>nigga better not shoot me

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>>83362124

>>83362088
I don't get how you fancast skinny blondes as Carol when you're a KSD fan

You could watch literally any movie and already get your fix

>>83362076
Damn, this has been a feelsy last few issues.

>>83362076
So for anyone confused about why Deadshot is crying and calling Flag Eddie.

Floyd's older brother was named Eddie and everyone loved him, especially Floyd. One day Floyd's mom tries to get her sons to kill their dad, Eddie is on board Floyd isn't. Floyd tries to stop Eddie but he screws up his shot and kills him. Deadshot now seeks out figures to fill that big brother role like Flag and Batman because Eddie was the only person in his life that he ever felt any attachment too

>>83362076
Yeah, being a comic book writer today means being an enterpreneur, especially at Image. It can't be fun for the writers who are good at writing but not self-promotion.

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>>83362158
<3 the Wall

This makes the post-Infinite Crisis stuff so disappointing, even if it did give us Deadshot/Catman, you know?

>>83362162

If I wanted to put in the effort I'd troll with a Woman of Color fancast as Carol.

Kerry Washington would MURDER

>>83362196
You think this is disappointing? I used to like Maxwell Lord

Thanks DC/Johns

>>83362213
MCU Carol should just be a combination of her and Monica. Just to piss everyone off.

>>83361596
>reading a writer's resource LJ
>they put trigger warnings for sites that describe the symptoms of heat stroke and drowning
I'm a little baffled.