Homestuck

nothing

Volume 10 release, more shirt shilling, and the nonchalant reveal that he hasn't worked on the epilogue at all.

>>83341731
theres probably not gonna be a newspost friends

>>83341731
>Predictions for the 6/12 newspost
Disappointment

>Ending where Beta kids get sucked into the black hole and die
>Alphas come back to Earth via the void
>Roxy, Dirk, Jake, Jane, Karkat, Terezi, Kanaya are only survivors on new Earth

What would be the new endgame ships?

>>83342112
they all bang random trolls and combine their genes into kanaya's slurry to build a race of half-human half-troll abominations

Tumblr is my favorite troll, next to 4chaan and Dvntrt

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>>83341731
pic related

>>83342358
no love for mespaf

>>83342681
Mespaf started OK
then things got way too intense

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>>83342778
i never really visited mespaf a lot so i dont really understand what you mean with way too intense

tell me a story maybe?

>>83342112
Depends if Jake and Dirk are fucking again.
Otherwise Dirk and Roxy will have to fight over Karkat.

>>83341731
>Welcome again to the news section of Homestuck! Did you forget about this place? It never stopped being a thing, haha? Oops! It's been a while.
>Look at this sweet merchandising from WeLoveFine! Also, we've reached the thrilling 25% milestone of completion of the first episode of Hiveswap! Remember that? It's still a thing too. Are you as excited as I am? The answer is, probably yes.

How would you describe Karkat "Echidna's chosen leader weenie" Vantas and his character arc in four words?

>>83343225
>Not even epilogue material.

>>83343225
Dave's designated living dildo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_IovMviv5Y

Reminder we got so close and in the end it doesn't even matter

>>83343092
I just meant that Mespaf was just a normal website troll at first, with a little leaning toward more what we call SJW behavior, though not much more than anybody else. But after a while, they started getting more and more out there with it, wanting threads to be safe spaces, complete and total acceptance of any headcanon, no matter how shitty and non-canonical, and pretty much lost focus on everything it was centered around, which was the final nail in the coffin before it started to lose its mind, which led to its death just earlier this year
Though its death might've been a blessing, as it didn't have to see the wreck Emespa became afterwards

>>83343208
Oh Christ, that's too real.

"tiny" vriska

>>83343208
The sad thing is, at one point, this would've been considered a very poor attempt at mimicing Hussie's newsposts

>>83343778
i mean, its still a poor attempt. much too happy and positive. there is no positivity in any of andrews recent new posts. his happiness has left him forever

>>83343225
What a fucking disappointment.

>>83344212
Yeah, he also failed to remind the readership that he's tangentially related to Undertale

>>83343225

Stop fondling shame globes.

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post comics from the same time Homestuck started

>Lyle is not happy about that his life sucked

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>>83344643
theres no fucking way this is a coincidence. last comic before homestuck began. the bastards were in on this

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why is Meulin so great

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>>83345341
Because she's based off the best character.

>>83343225
8elongs in the trash

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>>83345341
>5 different mime animations
>8 frames in each

She's lucky she's so cute or I wouldn't be very fond of her. And I thought Kurloz was bad.

>>83345991
>bkrgadbd
What does it mean?

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>>83345341
cuz she meu

>>83345341
because she's cute and energetic
also boobs

>>83345341
she's a slut

HOMESTUCK VAPORWAVE 2016 REEMIX

Feferi bullying Meenah and calling her a weak nerdfish!

>>83345341
>that one fic where meulin drugs Cronus and then rides him like a wild animal

>>83345991
will the VN package be able to do animated talk sprites out of the box

>music member team posts here
>they are ending apologist trash

RJ's posts yesterday were exactly inviting, but it was good to hear something, at least

>>83346384
*weren't

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>>83346293
post link

>>83346450
http://archiveofourown.org/works/1448326/chapters/3048604

>>83346573
>knifeplay

>>83342112
Janekat, JakeRoxy, Kanrezi, Dirk dies alone

>>83346661
>Jake x Roxy

get out

>>83346725
Well it was either that or her with Karkat and Janekat is better

>>83346740
I would rather have Karkat die a lonely death, to 8e honest family.

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http://desustorage.org/co/thread/83327370/#83338069

Does this give you hope for Hiveswap?

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>>83346384
>le homestuck isn't a character driven story meme
>le open interpretation ending meme

lmao okay

>>83346796
no, because people who say positive things are sycophants

>>83346796
>at least good
At this point, this is all I want, for it to be good. I don't want nor expect it to be the next Undertale, but good is always a good start. He can build it up to great over time.

>>83346796
not really
what I've seen of it so far doesn't get me hyped at all
not to mention that RJ thinks the ending was good, so I've got to take his opinions with a grain of salt

if the hiveswap team did monthly backer updates like we were promised then maybe we wouldn't need to rely on secondhand information like this

>>83346796
it makes me realize that it WILL be released, but probably not till the end of year? next year? I just dont know

>>83346782
>one of two bi guys left in a world with two straight girls and a gay guy
Someone's jumping on that dick

>>83346846
I meant about Hiveswap

>>83346796
>"im not working on it but trust me what pumpkin are good boys they dindu nuffin"
yeah nah, actions speak louder than words and the only action hiveswap has is a walk cycle

>>83346889
>if the hiveswap team did monthly backer updates like we were promised then maybe we wouldn't need to rely on secondhand information like this
actually, weekly updates were promised

>>83346929
>and the only action hiveswap has is a walk cycle

lmao remember the arkh project?

>>83346796
Yes
More news at night

>>83346796
Not really. I can't believe they blew the $2 million budget. TOG can't even be blamed for Hiveswap's failure anymore because they only stole a few hundred thousand.

it wouldn't be such a kick in the nuts if the backer rewards at least stayed as exclusive collector's items

>>83347129
They were cool, so I can't really blame WP for selling them to make bank off the people who didn't want to pay $600 for a scalemate and some shirts, but I feel bad for the people who paid $600 for things they thought were a one-time chance

>>83347129
i heard some people still never received certain paks

>>83347202
basically what it means is that everyone who contributed to the kickstarter doesn't really have anything to show for it

I think it would have been a good sign of faith to wait until the game was released before selling the rewards as regular merch

didnt they promise physical copies of homestuck

>>83347298
didnt you promise to suck my knob?

>>83347298
is this even possible. how much fucking space would that take up

>>83347298
the physical archive of homestuck was a stretch goal that barely didn't get met
we were promised physical copies of the game though, on CD or USB

>>83347202
Tbh, they should've expected this. In the middle of Homestuck getting really big and merch selling left and right, you should expect Hussie and What Pumpkin to try to sell anything, unless it really is one-of-a-kind, like a 1:100 scale model of Nepeta's shipping wall, or a list of Equius's secret fetishes

>blew the budget

HOW

>>83347332
physical as in on a disk or something

>>83347355
according to RJ, a lot of vague, but really bad shit went down

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HEADLINES

Man Who Thinks Homestuck Ending Was Good Says Hiveswap Will Be A Decently Written Adventure Game

>>83347359
Yeah, but how many disks would it take
Even a Blu-Ray might not hold all of it

>got the same captcha twice

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>>83347332
This is the space up to Act 6 Intermission 2

It's pretty viable

>>83347355
I'm not surprised that they blew through the budget. It's really not that much money and there's also the overhead from kickstarter rewards, etc.

I'm mostly disappointed because it looks like they're trying to make a game that I won't enjoy, and they aren't even keeping us up to date about it.

The lack of updates thing is really weird and can't really be explained.

>>83345341
she's thicc

>>83347414
Is that uncompressed? Text compresses really well. You can squeeze some extra bytes out of PNGs with large, flat-colored areas, too.

>>83347469
Yes, it's uncompressed

We seriously need to talk to Hussie about this
I don't care if it's harassing him or anything, at this point he needs to be harassed into coming out of this shell he's trapped himself in, at least long enough that he can actually start talking to people outside his clique

>>83347298
Andrew tought by the kickstarter homestuck would end at 2014, hence the 3-year skip of the characters.

>>83347414
Is this yours? I want a mega of homestuck for reasons but im not downloading each pannel manually.

>Hat in Time stops updating
>Yooka Laylee has made great progress but doesn't update onsite
>Mighty Number 9 (lol)
>Homestuck stops updating

What does this weird privacy allow?

If there has been active development on the game is there any reason at all to why they haven't updated anyone on anything at all? The last update was forced out of them by that guy sleuthing around and seeing the people who got replaced or fired posting about it on their blogs.

The complete lack of even the smallest info makes me almost not believe it has been worked on at all. Are they "saving everything so it's a surprise!" Because that's literally retarded.

It baffles me that they have no even given the smallest info out. Even fucking screenshots, small assets, or music teasers.


What, was part of the deal they signed with TOG to not ever mention the game again until release?

>>83347539
It's not mine, there's some guy that will send you an archive if you have reasons to not be able to be online but want to read it. Google it.

>>83346331
There won't be any animations coded in by default, but all the necessary images will be available and I'll include instructions on how to make them. It's a fairly simple process, and you should be able to replicate everything that was in Openbound, at least.

>>83347556
Yeah there has to be a legal reason. Keeping the info private is bad for business.

>>83347556
when was the last time we got any news? december? it's fucking june.

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>>83347556
It's so strange. Even little things make all the difference. I get a new e-mail for la-mulana every week and even if it's something stupid like one enemy sprite, it still gets me excited for the game.

the Hiveswap debacle will only end when Hussie inevitably kills himself

WHAT DOES FUCHSIA TASTE LIKE?

>>83347752
eggs

>>83346796
At least SOMEONE said something, since official channels are frozen as hell.

Remember in the Homestuck 2.0 vid when John said they knew they needed to work on transparency with the fans

>>83347556

his circle cast him as some Super Creepy Internet Dude when obviously there was a ton of interest in what he found out

probably they've been distracted by the passing vapors of the homestuck bubble bursting and haven't felt the need for a normal level of information

who knows what hussie's doing now, he might have other reasons

>Terezi and Latula
Jesus fuck, just writing these two names give me the hardest boner.

>>83347028
>>83347355
They had an office in the middle of fucking New Yirk City, it doesn't surprise me they ran out of money.

If they blew the budget does that mean the stretch goals aren't happening?

God what a mess, it's sad to see an IP that had so much going for it turn out this way

>>83348137
I would be very surprised if they fulfilled their promise to translate it into five languages

Will Hiveswap even be pirateable?
Who would waste time leaking this kind of a game

I wonder why Hussie wanted to make a video game anyway

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the stretch goals, in case anyone forgot

I totally forgot that they were going to let us beta test it. I wonder if that's still going to be a thing.

>>83348273
it will be pirated pretty much instantly as soon as the beta drops

>>83348317
>Making-of art book
Imagine the disasters that would be in that book.

>>83348291
Hussie made sketches for a PS game long time ago and jailbreak and bards quest were basically just different kind of games.
I would be more surprised if he wouldn't dream of making a game

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>>83348291
he's been kicking around the idea of making a game ever since problem sleuth

>>83348034
>that one fic where Mituna and Sollux bang these two together
>Sollux just wanted to play video games and hang out with Aradia instead

>>83348317
THE BETA

>>83348410
A PS point and click actually sounds a lot better than a Homestuck point and click

>>83348517
IT'S HERE

>>83348480

great tweet

>>83348480
he's got my vote

>>83347709
nice taste anon, I use the same example to show apologists how dumb they are

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>>83348538
it looked ambitious but manageable

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The best moments of Homestuck all involve Vriska eating shit in some for or another

Prove me wrong

>>83348713
caliborn
everything in acts 1-4

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>>83345991
>Kurloz
>Not cute

>>83348480
HE'S A LIGHTWEIGHT
AUSCHWITZ ANDREW

>>83348317
Didn't that turn out to be beta testing Openbound or something

>>83348876
That WAS a thing, but we're still supposed to be able to play the Hiveswap beta, whenever its ready.

I am looking forward to those threads.

>>83348876
I think they did send out links to Meenahquest to backers first

>>83348941
What do we do when that day comes? Make threads on /vg/?

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>>83348317
>EFIGS
There are more hues than italians on his userbase, what was he thinking

>>83348985
Who knows? Homestuck itself is already more /v/ than /co/ in a lot of ways, and yet here we are.

When the game comes out I'm sure there will be a few genuine threads on /v/, as well as a bunch of troll threads. Maybe we can claim some space on /vg/. But if we did, we'd be plagued by people trying to police any comic discussion, and if we were unlucky the janitors would support that.

It'll certainly be an interesting time to be around.

>>83349188
if you have a discussion about a star wars game you don't deride people for going off on a tangent about the movies

but then again this is homestuck so it gets special treatment

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Quick, post shitty cosplay

>>83349188
>and if we were unlucky the janitors would support that.

They absolutely will support that, and random deletions, and random bans, and no porn

/vg/ and /v/ are boring as hell, and it's time to accept that HSG is permanently dead and we're all leaving and moving on

it's the end

>>83349385
>Shitty
what, you mean thats NOT what Gamzee looks like?

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>>83349385

>>83349336
you know star wasrs has generals on /co/, /vg/, and /tg/ right?
When /sw/ hiroshimoot?

>>83349424
I only had to scroll down a little bit in the /vg/ star wars general to find a post about leia cosplay

the point is that when a game draws on a massive body of lore, you can expect people discussing that game to also discuss the lore

>>83349505
I was agreeing with you m8
Hell sonic and megaman gens are basically on life support due to the comics

>>83349188
All we can do on /v/ is having our memes imported to literal normies, besides a lot of users here only browse /co/ anyways.

>>83349385
hnok honk its me GAYMZE da cloun

>>83349578
I hope a methed out 400 pound juggalo beats Hussie half to death and leaves him ashamed of his shitty clown fetish for the rest of his weak life

>>83349385
sollux

>>83347632
but they do release things, just very rarely, so legal issues can't be the reason

>>83349336
I've seen people post bee movie porn on /v/ and no one gave a shit, surely /co/ can transfer there to discuss in the threads

It'll be fun

>>83349636
I might hit up some shitty /v/ threads when hiveswap comes out, just for the novelty

>like 4 different loud house threads on /co/ at any given time

>"hsg is banned because it never stays contained to one thread"

please don't ban me for expressing this view DavekatJanitor

>>83348437
this better not be one of those made up fic ideas

>vg mods
>caring
LMAO
i come from some of the worst of the worst generals on vg and i can tell you as long as you dont post any nudes or lewds they do not give a shit

KS is on their 3039th thread
Do you think theyre actually still talking about the game?

we'll be fine there to talk about whatever, we just need to get there is all

>>83349151
EFIGS is a common standard because it covers most of the countries in the EU. Many international editions of games are in those five languages, and there's an existing pool of talent that specializes in translating English video games into the other four languages, or one language into the others using English as a pivot.

>>83349700
janny is a pedo, hence all the SU/LH threads

>>83349770
>KS is on their 3039th thread
didn't they lose count around 2000 and have to start over

>>83349385
I wonder if his eyes were already yellow before he put on the makeup

>>83349770
could literally just call it 'hiveswap general' and be done with it. no one will find it though so itll die out

>>83349857
>hiveswap general
>HSG

holy shit DO IT

>>83349770
It varies from general to general
I kept getting banned in /utg/ because the thread had a pet janitor and some guy who shitposted about his cat all the time which led to any mention of cats being grounds for a 3 day ban

>>83349857
Lots of people will come back for Hiveswap, just like they did for Collide/Act 7

>>83349897
kek

>>83349825
That's a rumor. There were a couple times we may have gained/lost 2-3 threads because of people messing up the copypasta, but we never started over, that would have been dumb.

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It's so cute RJ came scrambling in to do damage control

The best part about it is, yes, I'm sure What Pumpkin is pouring their hearts and souls into this, I don't doubt that

But guess what that amounts to so much piss in a hand if you got shitty management, no money and paying out of pocket, a failed NYC studio, most of the team fired, nothing to show but a walk cycle after three restarts and many years, and a completely silent and opaque development cycle, AND your game is going to be fucking Broken Age tier garbage, which means,

your game is doomed

>>83349897
you want to see a shithole general check out the kerbal space program one, that one is easily worse than KS

>>83349857
cant
game actually needs to be out
maybe when our visual novels start pouring in we can

>>83349928
>we

>>83349894
hearthstone already has a strong longrunning hsg sadly

>>83349928
hahaha you're pathetic

Aradia subduing Lord English by reaching into his pants, pulling his huge dick out, and massaging it with both hands

>>83349911
Oh yeha how did lb react I missed it?

>>83349956
this
itd need to be /mspa/

>>83349932
This image is stupid, act 6 was a mixed bag not that bad

I'll make /mspa/ tonight

>>83350021
Without a game or even a substantial progress report on Hiveswap, it won't stick.

>>83349928
how the fuck is KSG still alive

dude i was there for like the first ten or fifteen threads and i'd had my fill

how are you guys still talking about cripple girls

did a sequel ever get made or anything

>>83349897
The Bioware generals had the same thing. If you have a certain kind of janitor that lurks the threads, off-topic discussion will get removed and get you banned. /vg/ threads that don't have resident janitors like that are open invitations to shitpost as much as you like, though.

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>Hussie writes Aranea mentioning how if Cherubim fuck in the other way, then the children will have alignments switched
>There was then rumor of an alternate cherub timeline
>He didn't use the idea

It's funny how boring of a writer Hussie was in the end. It was clear he worked best with reader suggestions supplemented by his own ideas and ability to weave them together. On his own, he's sloppy and bad.

For the year and a half before the Gigapause, HSG was approximately 17.5% of /co/ traffic

just a fact I thought some of you might find interesting

>>83350020
no, it was pretty much all bad

I don't know why you'd fool yourself at this point, the comic is over and a burning wreck

>>83350021
dont
we honest to god need an actual finished product to talk about

6/12 newspost will be Volume 10 and a release window for Hiveswap and/or the epilogue, with a progress report on Hiveswap.

The epilogue won't come out until Hiveswap does, or at the least has a release date. I expect the epilogue on 10/25 or 4/13 next year, if it misses that window it's never happening.

If we don't get a 6/12 newspost at all then I'm just going to stop paying attention to all this.

>>83350074
what alignments

>>83350020

it misses why act 6 was bad

stuff like the clown was actually good and fit with what came before. it's the stuff that's unique to act 6 that's particularly bad

>>83350139
kinda sad seeing people fiending for a fix years after the party ended

I'm waiting for the epilogue and then I'm gonna ollie outty into eternity

>>83350074
you mean a timeline where callie was evil and the alt callie that made the black hole was evil?

>>83350143
10/25 this year*, 4/13 next year

>>83350178
Or something similar, yeah, why even mention those details if they never get used

So much of Caliborn and Calliope was just sloppy, vague, and pointless

>>83350074
>my fanfiction au tier theory isn't canon, this means Hussie is a bad writer

>>83349932
The best thing about Act 7 being bad is that you can just say as much stupid crap as you want, as long as its negative. Like, whatever the most outlandish bullshit you can think of, feel free to spew it all over the thread.

If someone says a single word against you, just call them an apologist.

>>83350163
What's unique to act 6? Bloat and excessive romance both started in act 5.

>>83350217
No anon, that was actually in the comic, and I'm picking over all the things Hussie mentioned but left unused

>>83350223

the retcon and the kids losing a purpose for their conversations, among other things

>>83350222
but you admit that it was bad
as long as we agree on that then we're just fussing over why

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>>83349932
>Oh ok Jade can use a sword now that's fucking dumb
>Doesn't know what godtiering does
In the trash this image goes

>>83350069
New players actually show up with some regularity. For all its flaws, KS does hit a lot of emotional buttons, and for a lot of people they've never really experienced something like that so it hits them pretty hard. So they find the general and get pulled into all the fan material for a while.

That's not something that can really happen with us right now because you can't just burn through Homestuck in an evening out of curiosity. Hiveswap might end up being a gateway drug.

>>83350020
>>83350163
Yeah this image really is an exaggeration. But even so, it feels like the best material in Act 6 relied heavily on callbacks and references. Outside of that there was very little substance spread thin over way too much material.

>>83348713
Midnight crew

>>83350326
The idea that anyone can defend Act 6 as anything but raw garbage outside of a handful of standout moments is pretty funny and sad

I agree with the image 100%, the comic started to sink as soon as Hiveswap hit and it kept going down down down from there

>>83350143
>4/13 next year

hecantkeepgettingawaywithit.png

>>83350371
If that's an actual announcement, then I'm just gonna check out until I remember Homestuck existed sometime in the next 10 years, and maybe bother to see how bad it went.

fuck all this discussion
here's a REAL topic:
did aradia lose her sex drive when she god tiered? is she celibate now?
she doesnt show any signs of romance or attraction

the only thing we do see is in the ministrife, an adadiabot flirts with rufioh, but thats before she ascended

is aradia going to stay a pure virgin maiden forever???

>>83350326
Everything past Cascade was basically the sequel to the original Homestuck. It was largely driven by the fans wanting 'more Homestuck' which it kind of did.

There's nothing out there that can really stand up to the first half of Homestuck, which sadly includes the second half of Homestuck.

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>>83350437
buddy you got it totally opposite

>>83350437
*grab2 diick2*

>>83350454
It's so clear that Cascade should have been around when the comic ended. If he didn't have all those trolls and time wasted, we could have sped right along to the end in that Act.

>>83350437
I will never understand this boards obsession with aradia. Not saying it's a bad thing, just genuinely confused about why she was selected.

>>83350222
this post is my aesthetic

Remember how pre-retcon Karkat hung out with Meenah and the ghost army plan didn't end up fine and all of his friends realize that he was a shit leader all along?

Remember how Karkat got himself a new haircut, piercings and a crab tattoo and he unironically, positively rants about it?

Remember how Karkat and Meenah reenacted a Disney romance scene and they made out with each other?

Remember how post-retcon Karkat started shitting on his pre-retcon self for being an irresponsible person and looking like shit?

Remember how pre-retcon Karkat and Terezi reunited with each other, Kanaya and Vriska joining them and they all watched the pretty dreambubble fireworks together?

FUCK

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>>83350437
aradia loves to love!

>>83350502
She used to be interesting, she's hot, she's boring, and easy to project anything onto because she's so passive with a mild streak of creepy with her deathlust.

>>83350366
In terms of cohesive narrative structure the story completely falls apart at Act 6. Acts 1-5 were nice and contained and despite a bunch of loose threads, Cascade actually feels somewhat conclusive, which is why everything that follows comes off as extraneous.

However, Hussie is still great at writing humor in Act 6, so a lot of people still like it even though it fails to capitalize on the emotional highs from Acts 4 and 5. It really depends on what the individual values in a story, and how high their level of tolerance for plot convenience and contrived bullshit is.

>>83350502
Because she's the best looking female troll and she doesn't do anything controversial that makes people hate her

>>83350489
>>83350454
Act 5 probably would have been the end if Hussie didn't end up losing himself in the Lord English and Alpha kid shit.

>>83350502
aesthetically she's very pleasing, cute as hell

personality wise there's barely anything so nothing to ruin!

>>83350460
>>83350478
>>83350535
yes but these are MEMES
there is nothing in the comic that suggests she is interested in lovers

>>83350366
When you say stuff like that it just tells everyone to stop listening to you. So, what, you've just been part of a fandom you hated for the last 5 years?

It's just such a strange mindset to have. Like going into a LotR thread and claiming that it all went to shit when they left the Shire.

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>>83350502
she is beautiful

I just came here because I want good Homestuck art, but I'm not willing to endure either tumblr or DA

>>83350568
Your comparison is very weak because the Lord of the Rings is a finished product that's pretty good from start to end

>>83350564
Why would she have lost interest in that upon ascending?

>>83350568
>Like going into a LotR thread and claiming that it all went to shit when they left the Shire.
It's more like going to a LotR thread and saying that only the first three books were good.

>>83350604
personally I think it's actually pretty shitty
too much walking

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>>83350564

>>83350634
more like only the first three movies are good
which is true

>>83350604
...yes. That's my point. A fan of the work will make that argument. That's why they're a fan of the work.

Homestuck is also a finished product that's pretty good from start to end. If you claim otherwise its the same as me claiming that LotR went to shit.

>>83350606
i don't fucking know thats why im asking this general

maybe she sees it as something that isnt worth it anymore or she just finds being a grim reaper is more exciting

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>>83350649
>>83350564

>>83350545
Act 6 did have potential with the alpha kids being foreshadowed for a long time and LE's origins still being unknown. Fully exploring the alpha kids to get a better understanding of the original kids' guardians could've been good, and people would've been bothered if it was never explained who or what LE was.

>>83350545
Guess I have a high tolerance to plot convenience and contrived bullshit.

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>Aradia didn't show up at the end wearing a slinky black robe and goofy PS Death makeup to send everyone off

>>83350649
>that one fic where John and Sollux bang Aradia so hard, she starts drooling and demands more yellow and white semen to be pumped inside of her

>>83350701
Yeah but there was basically no reason for LE to exist when he covers so many of the same themes as Bec Noir. If Hussie really wanted to make the Felt relevant he could have just made Jack LE.

>>83350701
And then the joke is that 3/4ths of the r-kids are awful, uninteresting, reprehensible assholes with zero charm, even in a "Christ what an asshole but I gotta see more" way

>>83350559
>personality wise there's barely anything so nothing to ruin!

hsg is the only general that loves shitty boring girls

>>83350697
>>83350649
honestly i hate her with sollux

he had a great thing going with feferi

>>83350680
fans bitch about the new shit all the time
star wars prequels
legend of korra
new pokemon designs

I don't know where you get the impression that being a fan of something means you have to like it

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>>83350712
im dissapointed too

>>83350759
hey fef wwhat are you doin here

>>83350742
>Dirk
>uninteresting

LOL

>>83350753
no, half of us like vriska

>>83350742
How do you think trolls view getting genetic material inside of them? For humans, it's associated with reproduction, but for trolls, you have to pull out to fill a pail.

>>83350774
disappointed*
damn

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>>83350730
I seriously thought this was gonna be it. Like, I feel like Hussie hates having his twists guessed so much that he goes apeshit and does all he can to subvert the expectation unto his own narrative self-destruction of anything coherent or tightly written.

Like no SHIT Bec Noir is the Demon and Lord English, I was more interested in seeing how he ended up like that! I didn't care if we had guessed the big idea already! I thought he'd get a King Sceptre and grow gigantic, and fit the coat.

But no, English has to be a giant green retard, and Jack has to become a completely dropped plot.

>>83350742
>Jane is such a nasty asshole that she brings the whole of Act 6 down and tarnishes the whole idea of Rkids in HSGs mind

I used to be way into this shit. Then I read worm and now I have something else to obsess over

>>83350821
I'm pretty sure LE was legit always planned to be a green skull guy

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>>83350791
Sorry man. I didn't give a shit about his hurt feelings and philosophy of irony obsession. Dirk came across as creepy, clingy, unpleasant, and a tryhard. He was funny a handful of times, mostly thanks to other people, the rest he was just generically dull.

>>83350821
Except Caliborn was a great villain for a coming of age story and an excellent foil for Vriska

>>83350821
jack as lord english would have been dull as shit. hussie should have just made english more of an actual villain, while still keeping bec noir in the forefront.

>>83350866
>Dirk came across as creepy, clingy, unpleasant, and a tryhard

Which is why he's great.

>durrr muh happy feelings

Go read cucumber quest or something.

>>83350871
>Except Caliborn was a great villain for a coming of age story

he's the only character who grew up

>>83350866
That was one of my favorite pesterlogs, and not because of Dirk at all. Is there anyone Caliborn can't improve?

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>>83350821
>a King Sceptre
The cuestaff even kind of reminds me of the scepter.

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i just wish "lord english" was actually JUST caliborn but hyping himself up to be bigger than he actually is

it would have been much better if the big bad end game boss was just a really full of himself (but still very powerful and capable) alien teenager

>>83350223
The actual romance drama didn't start till Act 6 though

>>83350821
as interesting as that might be, I do feel like Caliborn/English has a much better personality for the role. It was difficult to imagine Jack actually caring enough to do anything more ambitious than stab people and blow up frogs. Caliborn cares a lot about domination and control whereas Jack just wants to kill things.

>>83350797
My guess is that it's fairly well accepted. It would probably be similar to how we view purely recreational sex acts like oral and mutual masturbation. The general attitude would be pretty neutral as long as no one is shrugging off reproductive obligations in favor of it.

>>83350724
>that one fic where aradia fucks john behind sollux's back and she has to keep on demanding john to be quiet so sollux's blind ass won't notice.

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>>83350928
Yeah, but I thought we'd see Jack growing beyond his game's scope, and start fucking up all of paradox space with his power, allowing him to become more like Spades Slick in counterpoint.

A murderous game construct gone wild, a rogue AI finding his own purpose. Plus, Caliborn didn't really do much different. He killed and destroyed. Just like Jack. Jack just made it classy and intimidating, instead og BALALALALARRRRRGGHH giant unhinged jaw lasers.

This scene here just screams "Yeah once Jack was gonna be LE but I dodged that, may as well stick some of the original idea in there"

>>83348317
>EFIGS
So many terms on Homestuck are complex puns that work only in English. It seems untranslatable.

>>83350923
there's a huge-ass pesterlog in act 5 where karkat tells off john and dave because he's afraid dave is going to steal terezi

it was funny though

>>83351017
it's not like puns are anything new to game localizations
but yeah it would be a pain in the ass

>>83351015
Yeah, the problem with LE and Jack is that they're almost the same concept.

Jack is a game construct that opposes creation that becomes too powerful and begins to fuck things up.

Caliborn is a malevolent cherub, meant to destroy as part of a system but becomes too powerful and fucks things up.

>>83351015
Just go read Act 5 again.

>>83351221
now there's a relic

>>83351221
I dont understand this picture

>>83351221
Okay, thanks.

>>83351070
Except Jack just kills shit, whereas LE wants pain/humiliation/control because he has no empathy. He just also happens to destroy universes when he's done with them.

>>83351263
DNA

How would a magic duel between godtier-post-retcon Rose and godtier-pale-with-fef(non-genocide) Eridan go?

kek if you posted that "villain tier chart" bec noir would be at the very bottom (kills stuff just cuz)

is he fellated so hard because he looks cool?

>>83351282
nahh caliborn/red cherubs are programmed to destroy just like black agents are. the personality stuff is just layered on top

>>83351263
the fandom collectively forgot about chumhandles

>>83351333
The villain tier chart is bullshit. Some villains that kill stuff just cuz work well, and some villains with complex motivations fall flat.

>>83351263
their chumhandles

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>>83351070
Which is why I'm so confused and feel like people guessed stuff that Hussie then dodged.

Like, let's ignore Caliborn. Yeah I get it he's great, fine, I love him too, but let's ignore him and Act 6 and just look at the broad strokes for a second.

Jack as Lord English would have tied in very well in terms of the idea of only Jack being able to kill Jack, with Slick's desire to murder English, and Snowman. You could easily have said the Felt were Green Sun blessed carpacians or constructs. And wouldn't it make sense that another Jack would enslave the Black Queen?

The idea the kids both make the ultimate post-game hell boss, and also kill him at the end of his massive universal rampage, also would have tied in very neatly. It all started and ended with the kids and the trolls who got caught up in their shit.

It'd also be a simple extension of what I said before - Bec Noir leaves his game because of his power, becoming more than a game construct as he explores what he can do with it, becoming a problem for every ongoing and successful session in existence. His simple role magnified to a cosmic level.

It would have kept things incredibly contained and connected. One enemy with a ton of faces in Jack, one big loop starting and ending in the same place, a huge mistake by the kids (you could have even used future ideas and said they were part of some specialized No Future difficulty game like Caliborn's dead session), and in the end you could tie back to stuff like Karkat and Slick's relation, kids defeating a game enemy, and kept that whole cool monster theme rolling better.

>>83351354
except caliborn and LE have more personality than pew pew stab

>>83351358
maybe if you're a simpleton

>>83351333
that villain tier chart is and always was bait
bec noir is a good villain not because of who he is or what he looks like, but how he plays into the story and the circumstances leading up to his creation
we are given sufficient reasons to both hate and fear bec noir, not so much for the other villains in Homestuck

>>83351333
he had actual presence in the story

That's why he's liked.

Also worth noting that Scratch is the only villain not like that.

Noir, Condy and English are pretty much interchangeable.

>>83351221
John hadn't been GT since that time Terezi threatened to kill him, though

>>83351333
hes cool because in a story about a 'real life videogame', the ultimate threat being a 2D npc that is out of control is legitimately very frightening and not at all the kind of weak characterisation in the way it would be if jack was a human

>>83351395
>LE have more personality than pew pew stab
English doesn't.

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>>83351381
Mobster theme, not monster theme.

>>83351408
>>83351357
>>83351301
>>83351263
Are there actually people who didn't get the DNA reference? It's the reason there are 12 trolls.

>>83351221
I thought they were arbitrary, how did it predict matching the remaining options with the remaining trolls?

>>83351447
Why are carapacians so fucking hot?

>>83351466
ME NO SMART
ME HATE TROLLS

>>83351381
>The idea the kids both make the ultimate post-game hell boss, and also kill him at the end of his massive universal rampage, also would have tied in very neatly.
The part where LE is just a total rehash of Bec Noir is when they kids end up creating him in the Masterpiece.

>>83351471
because all 12 trolls were hinted since act 3
people forget this and act like there were only going to be four and he suddenly changed his mind in act 5

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>>83351471
Hussie retroactively gave John a GT pesterchum handle just to accommodate this theory

>>83351015
>This scene here just screams "Yeah once Jack was gonna be LE but I dodged that, may as well stick some of the original idea in there"
That was never, ever going to happen, Hussie literally said LE was designed before the Intermission was a thing.

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>>83351333
That was what made him fun, though. He was literally a game NPC AI programmed to murder you, but he was more complex than that in his straight-sold psychosis. His boss forces him to dress in stupid shit because of prototypings, likes to abuse him, he has his three untrusty cohorts in HB, DD, and CD, he can relate to the players like with Karkat and Jade, he has feelings and ideas of his own such as making Midnight City and other neat noir story ideas, he LOOKS sharp and simple and scary, and you like all this because it was open about what he was to begin with, a stabby kill dude, and then on top of that you layer other things which made him super fun as a villain to follow.

>>83351526
I think he's wondering how the signs were correct.

Are there any pictures of HSG listening to vaporwave?
What with Makeup And Vanity Set being good friends with the protomen and those remixes of their songs

>>83351538
>Hussie literally said LE was designed before the Intermission was a thing
That makes considering he had designed all the Felt well before the Intermission.

>>83351526
Right but like how did it know Aradia was gonna be AA, Gamzee TC, etc

>>83350759
Why did Feferi even like him? Outside of him not treating her like the vaunted heiress they don't seem to have any meaningful connection or chemistry.

>>83351564
SYNTHWAVE I MEAN SYNTH FUCK

The real question is who did Hussie design first, Cal or English?

>>83351583
That makes sense*

>>83351558
>>83351591
because all their trollian tags were shown in act 3
the only somewhat ambigious tag was aradia's and you could just process of elimination that one
should have specified

>>83351600
Feferi is a basic bitch drawn to "cool kids"
Sollux was like a trophy for her. Looked cool and lowblood relations and shit

>>83351602
It is too late

Bwong BWONG bwongbwongbwongbwongbwong bwongbwongbwongbwong

>>83351591
The pesterchum names are all puns on concepts in the zodiac
Like arsenicCatnip -> cats -> lions -> Leo
We saw a screenshot of all of the trolls' pesterchum handles before they were introduced

>>83351600
>Outside of him not treating her like the vaunted heiress they don't seem to have any meaningful connection or chemistry.
He was Feferi's server player, and they ended up bonding during the game. The troll session was nearly a month long.

>>83351600
because they were minor characters. Who cares?

>>83351538
Why does that preclude him being Lord English? He also said once that English was just a throwaway for the Intermission who was going to be seen and defeated at the end of it.

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>>83351482
Because they have very styled and striking designs.

i wish hivebent session was just a separate adventure

>>83351626
Now that is an interesting question. I never got the impression that Cal and English were linked from the start, but in that Tumblr post about LE's emergence and design, he said he always looked exactly as he does, meaning he always had the Cal cheek spots (and protruding cheekbones) and golden tooth. It's a little much to write off as an unplanned coincidence.

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it's important to remember that caliborn considers himself an artist. this whole bit after game over gets glossed over a lot, but there's a huge change in caliborn's personality here that makes him (and LE by extension) weirdly complex and sympathetic -- certainly more than jack, who spends most of the comic being a stupid boring dog monster. caliborn is just another silly, precocious teenager out of many, but it just so happens that because of his species, his precociousness is a threat to existence.

>>83351651
I wish that all of Hiveswap was just Karkat's intro, Make Her Pay minus Vriska stuff, then we skip to the end and Bec Noir showing up. Move it fucking along.

>>83351721
caliborn is in the wrong story
i wish that hussie saved him for a better adventure

>>83351666
Because he explicitly said LE always looked like a green skull monster Cal. Look, I know the comic was way better when Jack was the main threat, there's a lot of timeless memories involved with his updates, and he was pretty cool for a mindless slasher villain, but you've got to let go. English being poorly executed as a villain on his own doesn't mean he should have just been Jack. Caliborn is one of the best characters Hussie's ever made.

>>83351712
I think Hussie was lying.

>>83351726
>Make Her Pay minus Vriska stuff
it's mostly vriska stuff
it literally begins and ends with vriska

>>83351764
Bullshit. Cal was predicted as a boss since his first appearance.

>>83351757
>Caliborn is one of the best characters Hussie's ever made.

Yes. I do not argue this. I never will. But I won't move from the statement that he was absolutely unnecessary and wasted on the comic, and should have never happened.

>>83351721
We can infer that Caliborn is a pretty a-typical cherub.

Makes me wonder if all cherubs who are predestined to die are similar to him. "Artsy", some semblance of red attraction etc.

>>83351775
>implying these subhumans even read the comic

>>83351710
This.

It would have been great to see how a successful session played out and how the trolls function as a team and yet have it neatly separated from the main narrative.

>>83351775
I mean just show the recap of their game session

>>83351812
that just sounds like act 6

>>83351757
Caliborn isn't really English though.

Caliborn is a great character and he's certainly one of the best past the four original kids. But all his charm is completely lost in English.
What a shame.

>>83351798
I mean I think Hussie was lying about English. I feel like he lied about a lot of things. Especially since it was around the time his ego went mad and he started ranting in comic about the yellow yard, and out of it about his cow's milk.

ask yourself, if hussie was gonna extend homestuck for another 4000 pages, with 4 more kids and 12 more trolls, and it would continue to decline, BUT he'd introduce another single character EVEN BETTER than caliborn. would that be worth it?

>>83351837
???

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>hurrrrrrrr LE isn't Caliborn because hes four guys
>despite two of them going into Scratch

>>83351721
>he decides to "stop being misogynistic" and earnestly makes an effort when he beats the shit out of the kids in equal measure
>he was a misogynist to begin with in order to explain LE enslaving women specifically
It was still oddly touching to see that. He really did develop more than anyone else in the cast, and he wasn't supposed to, thematically.

>>83351868
>EVEN BETTER than caliborn
how?

>>83346796
I still don't understand How they blew through the 2.4 million
Reports said that TOG only stole a few hundred thousand, but that still leaves them with THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT THEY ASKED FOR
The only way they could have run out of money is if they were guilty of gross fucking mismanagement, or if they straight up just never had a plan to start with
This always happens when a kickstarter made by idea guys gets more money than they asked for, they still manage to overspend the budget, miss deadlines, and if the product eventually comes out it's mediocre at absolute best
Congrats, Hussie, you're just as bad as Tim fucking Schafer.

>>83351868
No

>>83351851
Yeah. He didn't feel like English at all. It would have worked way better if English really was just some eternal 10-year old deific psycho kid. The reward for winning a dead session is the nightmare of eternal youth and infinite power - a temper tantrum without end.

It's clear Caliborn was a last minute thought to the idea of English.

>>83351883
I didn't read carefully
my mistake

>>83351918
hey come on now, he's way worse than schafer

>>83351891
all the pieces of English are in Scratch.

>>83351837
Act 6, where the Alpha kids had dead consorts and didn't prototype anything, and barely had quests. The Beta kids didn't finish their quests and most didn't even go near their denizen. The final boss is the Condesce. The session is successful but I think anon meant a more typical session.

>>83351868
>another single character EVEN BETTER than caliborn
I'm inclined to say no
but
this could be the greatest character every written
I might owe it to humanity to let this play out

>>83351929
>It would have worked way better if English really was just some eternal 10-year old deific psycho kid.

That's what he was though, he literally cannot age. He just grows bigger everytime he beats a universe

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>>83351918
Anon

Games cost millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of fucking dollars to make

SHITLOADS

And if you spend 4 years not making the game, restarting it, blowing it on NYC offices and a ramshackle team of nepotism over competence, and merchandise, that money will be gone very very fast

2.4 millions is fucking pocket change to these sort of endeavors

>>83351891
>>83351971
All the souls comprise both Scratch and LE, the difference is that in LE Caliborn is the dominant one and in Scratch Hal is the dominant one.

>people think Caliborn's masterpiece is going to happen
>they don't realize that the series of glitches required to defeat LE was Game Over and everything following

>>83351971
Not Caliborn, the cue ball is his explicit weakness. Where is Gamzee?

>>83352002
Then they should have kept him a kid

Would have been hilarious to see a bunch of nasty self-important 16 and 20 year olds dying horribly to some bratty 10 year old wrecking their shit

>>83351799
>he was absolutely unnecessary and wasted on the comic
I'll give you that.
>and should have never happened.
Too far. Rethink it. Homestuck would have still suffered a major decline in quality without him, and we'd still hate what it ended up being if there were no Lord English. LE wasn't the root of the problem, just another symptom of it.
>>83351851
Absolutely correct. English even had plenty of charm himself until Caliborn: Enter, where he was cemented as just a ghost-busting laser cannon. He felt like a Great Piggy Bank Robbery mobster villain. You know, HAMMERHEAD!, SNAKE EYES!, NEON NOODLE!

>>83352055
that happened in the masterpiece

>>83352018
there's AAA games, but then there's other kickstarter games made for way less
skullgirls was like 1.5 million or something

>>83352018
Well, that's true for AAA games made by huge companies centered around "REALISM", but a little rinky-dink point-and-click that's maybe 10 hours altogether isn't really millions and millions unless you make it be that much

>>83352071
> he didn't talk so hes a bad character

Him taking off his coat to punch ghosts with his bare fists, without even using any of his powers, speaks volumes about Englishs character

hint: HE'S CALIBORN

>>83352052
>Not Caliborn, the cue ball is his explicit weakness
Caliborn is in there, that's where Scratch got his laugh from. He's just been subdued, making AR the dominant one.

>>83352071
Look man, my point is that Spades filled the role fine. He was a fine antagonist, and all we needed for the story. We didn't need Caliborn, we didn't need the Empress, we didn't need Evil Jane and Evil Jade. We didn't need any of those things, even if they had merit on their own. They were totally worthless to the story as it got told in the end.

>>83352134
Scratch/Cal's hoo hoo is actually never accounted for.

>>83352030
Arquius, you mean.

>>83352052
Gamzee has just as little influence in English as he does in Scratch.

But it's even stated that Gamzee is both mirthful messiahs. Which are Scratch and English

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How can anyone hate Gamzee when he devoted his life to helping our favorite character?

>>83352175
Gamzee is the best character
He's also the worst character
As you HONK, so must life honk you back

>>83352135
You also don't need to eat candy, or go to the beach, or jerk off to aliens.

We do these things because they're fun.

>>83352122
He wasn't a bad character, he was badly executed, and yes, his suddenly going mute after his first appearance had him speaking was dumb.

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Dumb question: would anyone happen to know the make and model of iron used in the wrinklefucker? Grainy images are hard to go off of.