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Its funny I don't really subscribe to the Marvel vs. DC stuff because good comics can come from anywhere.

But this and its counterpart to me represent some honest truths about the methods of both companies and a reason why gun to my head I would go Marvel.

>>83330970
>John Paul Leon

He's godlike, that's all

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This book is also part of the reason I fall cold on Nextwave, Machine Man isn't a jokey humor character to me at all.

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This series is also fertile ground for the Modern Marvel Universe to strip mine for ideas.

>>83331072
Whats its counter part? Kingdom Come? They share a lot of the same themes

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>>83331438
It is Kingdom Come because this was largely produced as a Marvel version of it after that had been a success.

I don't see a lot of similarities at all personally outside Ross' involvement.

>>83331284
Hickman did a bit, what with making it canon that there's a celestial in the earth, and making Viper turn into an equivalent of the Madam Hydra in this. I think he also may have taken some of the characterization of Black Bolt from this.

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JPL is so so so goddamn good on this.

>>83331480
Eh, the Norman McKay hanging out with Spectre us sort of like Robot Man hanging out with Watcher. I guess that, and the Alex Ross cover are really the only two things they have in common

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>>83331509
There has been a lot more too, all the recent Inhumans stuff is small scale version of what happens in this book.

There are others that I can't think of right now.

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>>83331560
They use the hanging out characters for vastly different purposes.

And KC to me never escapes the persecution complex and blame it wants to have for non DC books.

>>83331509
Also the entirety of the T-Bomb plotpoint from Infinity/inhumanity is from here as well.

isnt this that thing where everything in the future is just horrible and weird and reed richards invents heaven and puts everyone in it and shit?

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>>83331821
Nope

Not Reed the other stuff kind of but it gets MESSY

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The way this series is goes is deeply weird and one of the strangest things these two companies have published as a 'future'

>>83331851
or whoever, tony? someone. is it that thing? where hulk has split into a blind kid and a mute hulk that carries him?

>>83331571
Black Bolt noble sacrifice when?

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>>83331939
There is a Heaven later on yeah.

>>83331590
Oh yeah, Bucky was still dead.

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That last bit is such a perfect read on Captain America.

This book is so full of those little perfect reads on characters.

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>>83331996
1999 a lot is different.

>>83330970
Earth X is totally fucking crazy, but I think it actually does a good job of explaining the overall Marvel universe.
Like with the Celestials and the Inhumans and all that crap.
Like why Earth is such a clusterfuck of powers and abilities

>>83331969
A year of two ago during Infinity.

>>83332225
Come on Steve, it's not like you aren't already Hydra.

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May as well put these at the end of each chapter instead of all bunched up at the end.

>>83332364
pssh. dropped.

>>83332401
>not liking president Trumpborn

>>83331137
Why can't he be both, like Deadpool?

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Do you guys think this Daredevil is Wade?

>>83331969
It's like issue 10 or 11

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>>83332843
He is talking about the one Marvel steals from this book. Not the one in this book.

>>83330970

When this series come out was the time when I start to making money so I buy it just because a Spider-Man comic have an advertise of it.

Until that moment I only buy comics sparely(mostly Spider-Man), so the canon and understanding of Marvel was based in a mix of the 90's x-men and Spider-Man series in my head, then I open this book I discover like a billion of characters and new stuff.
Until this day my opinion of a most Marvel characters come from this version and all the Celestial shit is canon for me(also my brother and me develop a boner for Blackbolt)
Its in my top 10 series, art and writing are awesome.

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>>83332987
It is funny too how this can be read as a reaction against how prominent the X part of the Marvel Universe were at the time because of how little they are part of this book.

>>83332486
>challenging the mysteries of the unknown

Okay, I laughed

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Its the little touches that are just AMAZING.

>>83331874
And yet it's also, as you said, probably the most successful attempt at uniting all the disparate elements of the Marvel universe into a relatively cohesive whole. At least as far as Earth and its super humans are concerned anyway.

Though yeah, the sequels do get particularly weird.

>>83331620
>the world was not yet ready for a 'master race'
A nice reminder the Watcher is an alien being with alien values.

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I like White Hank a lot.

>>83332014
That's a sick look for BB. The grill would be shit on its own, but it works really well paired with the lack of eyes.

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Best use of MODOK

>>83333028
lol
I miss the costumes with a million of pouches

I enjoy how they use a lot of underused and missing characters

>>83332270
He survived that

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The way they work the Asgardians and other Gods into this is really really slick.

It's been awhile, but this series essentially posits that all human superpowers are different expressions of Celestial fuckery right? The Deviants were test subjects, Eternals the successful experiment, Mutants the natural evolution, Inhumans the imitation, and Mutates like Spider-Man the accidents. But it's all triggering whatever the Celestials seeded right?

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The best definition of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants that you will ever read.

>>83334190
Yes.

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>>83334190
Almost

Everything before Man was an experiment that failed

>>83334190
Well all the superheroes are just really Guardians/antibodies for the Celestial baby that's being gestated in the earth's core. I think Absorbing Man will end up killing it in Universe X.

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>>83334608
Galactus kills it in about 6 issues, Creel fills the hole left by it being removed

Yes! I've been dying to read this! Thanks OP!

>>83333922

"Thor's a... woman?!"

Heh.

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>>83335212
Does anyone know who that Invisible Guy is supposed to be?

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Finished Here

>>83335246

bump for late nighters.

>>83334662
What a wacky, fun book this could've been. Takes itself very seriously, though.

>>83335223
Fancy Dan.

>>83330970
Nope. I can't stand this 20+ page creation story bullshit.

>>83336480
perhaps the works of the popular comic book writer Brian Michael Bendis are more to your liking.

>>83336480
Hey, it's awesome. If you can't stand this you probably don't like cape comics.

Storytime is done so I will put one bump in here.

>>83331072
That's totally the monolith from 2001:A Space Odyssey right ? From what I remember Machine Man was originally A character in A 2001 comic adaptation or some shit.

>>83340829
Yes. The Celestials are the aliens behind it in Marvel.

>>83344015

bump for ancient aliens

>>83333922
>>83333931
>>83333945
Unnghh muh dick

Why couldn't we have femThor instead of JaneThor?

>>83333977
>>83334000
Jean doesn’t deserve you Scott, leave.

>>83334116
So Carol became Captain Marvel here first? Nice.

>>83347478

>>83331710
>>83331072
Detail your reasons pls

>>83332809
Didn't they retroactively make him Wade?

>>83332130
I love captain bruce willis

>>83332809
He's wade probably, but i will be bold and say that maybe he's madcap

>>83351026
>>83351142
>>83332809
Daredevil is an obscure character from Spider-Woman, cursed to live forever by Morgana Le Fay.

>>83353654
That was just one possibility. The most likely is that he's just a schmuck that got turned imortal by the mists.

bump for readers

>>83355220

>>83357158

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>>83331807
Even Uatu knows Xavier's dream is foolish!

Magneto and Cyclops were right!

As somebody who just finished this thread, but is new to comics and interested in Marvel, should I read on or save these for later?

>>83333437
Isn't the only other time we see white-Hank is at the end of that big X-Men (Morrison's run? Whedon's?) thing where he tried to kill all the mutants in the future or something... Sublime... I don't recall much as I never quite understood it and only read it the once.

>>83333503
He sounds like a /tv/ poster.

>>83333801
I like the whole belief-aliens thing, but I really would have liked if Thor was different because his mom was something else.

This is something that is often overlooked, that Thor is a "mutant" among Asgardians due to his mom being Jord/Gaia/Earth Mother.

But anyway...

>>83364471
>I really would have liked if Thor was different because his mom was something else.
That's part of Thanos origin. His mom was a Skrull.

Watcher and Celestials theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57HicYcY4Ow