Discuss captain hydra....

Hmm I like that costume.

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>mfw he becomes a competent villain

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>implying Chris Evans's Cap will ever be the bad guy
>implying Evans Cap would ever be wrong

You're talking about the most based man alive

>>83257802
Chris Evans only does acting for paychecks now, he wants to go into directing

>>83257830

I think I heard earlier this week he wants to be in Spider-Man Homecoming

literally Superior Captain America

>>83257882
For money

Does anyone have that Red Skull speech image?

You know which one.

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How long is it going to be before anyone else finds out?
Will Sharon become the next Madame Hydra?

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>>83255762
I want to fuck that Cap.

>>83258006
Zemo will find out and become an anti-hero again because of it.

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>>83258006

>Next issue
>Bucky says Hail Hydra
>Issue after that
>Maria Hill was Hydra

>>83255762
The chest logo needs work

>>83255762
>Hawkguy letter on his head

>>83255762
What the fuck is wrong with his eyes?

>>83258095
>How the Entire Marvel Universe Turned out to be Hydra

>What if Superman was working with Lex all along?

>>83257941
Well no shit, if acting was my job, I'd wanna get paid for doing it too.

Honestly i'm just waiting for what the asspull is.

It could be mind control, it could be a clone, or a skrull, or an android, or a cap from a universe where hydra won. It's going to be one of those things that play out during an arc and mostly be self contained to cap's own run.

It'll have the usual 'far reaching consequences' that the editors always posture over, but not really be a big deal in the long run.

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>>83258261

What if Batman was working for the Joker all along?

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>>83258095
I could see Bucky aligning himself with Steve since he's always had more questionable methods anyway, and Sam being hugely opposed and betrayed when he finds out. Bucky is already anti-SHIELD and working against them.

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>>83258347
you think nick spencer would do that?

just go on the internet and tell lies?

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>>83258506
Based Spencer.

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>>83258350
IT WAS CONSENSUAL ALL ALONG

>>83258506
notice he never said "no memory alternation" or "no cosmic cube bullshit"

>>83258095
>>83258408
In some kind of monkey's paw scenario, Cap and Bucky end up as a gay Hydra power couple.

This latest event will force the Mouse to step in and shake up the way Marvel comics are done. The gimmicks need to stop

>>83258669
that's not monkey's paw, the fangirls have been shlicking to that for years

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>>83255762
Way too edgy.

>>83258684
I don't think Disney carse. Look at what they've let happen to ESPN.

I miss actual HYDRA uniforms. Red Skull knew what was up, they should have went full on after they were outed

>>83255762
Why is it trying to look like a movie costume?

>>83258768
because it's movie fanart

>>83258712
Hydra is the definition of edgy, anon. At least his outfit isn't that abomination you just posted

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>>83258704
>>83258669

There's an outcry of tumblrinas blaming the HTP for this happening.

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What IS not to love?

>>83258815
Ah, makes sense. Still looks like shit.

>>83258727
If it hurts their movie sales they might. But this is all speculation

>>83258892
The Cap solo movies are over. I doubt this will hurt Doctor Strange or Black Panther or Spider-Man.

>>83258825
>white
>male
>2016

>>83258927
Isnt Chris extending his contract?

>>83258818
If Marvel actually does get their ideas from fanfiction, I'm looking forward to the "Steve works as a barista and romances war vet hipster Bucky" arc coming up after this one.

>>83255762
Small thing, shouldn't his name be something more like Comrade Hydra, or Commandant Hydra?

>>83258825
>all those screenshots of butthurt sjws and autists crying at him with a tiny picture of Pretzels in the corner

beautiful

>>83258095
>Hydra Brainwashes the Marvel Universe
I'd read it.

>>83258506
Remember that time Queseda said that Spock was here to stay, and Peter was dead for good?

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>>83257790

>>83258669

Nah, if they really wanted to trigger them they'd have Cap hook up with Zemo and have them make out in front of Bucky.

And then give Zemo a redemption arc while Cap stays evil.

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Cap was actually talking to the pilot, telling him to get Hydra on the radio so he can give them a Cap length speech about freedom.

>>83259528
tfw no lusty raven to be my gf

>>83259513
Nope
Then again I didn't go looking for such claims as I thought it was pretty obvious how it would turn out

>>83255762
What does the H stand for?

>>83258595
Alternate universe Cap? That way he'd be the "real" Captain America but just not this universe's version. Could even be some kind of leftover guy who slipped into this universe after that crazy shit that was the last Secret Wars.

Of course the truth is he wouldn't have to be any of the shit listed >>83258506 ... until someone else takes over and decides to retcon it into any one of those. Hell I remember the bullcrap they were pulling to rehabilitate Ironman after the first Civil War and shit going down during the Skrull invasion. They had Tony erase his own brain just to destroy the last copy of the Registration list so nobody like Osbourne could ever abuse it again, then at the last moment a bunch of heroes banded together to help literally reboot him because they wouldn't let him die for his sins.

>>83259667
Happy. That's Happy Hogan, finally back from the dead.

>>83259617
It was one of those things bandied about at the time. You know, in those 'Ten reasons Peter Parker deserved to die' type of threads.

What amazes me is how many people think this is a)the entire story, and we know everything that will or could happen and b)think this is permanent. I get that most of the people complaining know jackshit about comics - I saw one group mocking someone for saying that HYDRA started out as a cold war group, because they were OBVIOUSLY made in the 1940's as nazis - but even a cursory knowledge would tell them it'll pass.

Christ, it's not like we've not had similar things before. Superman died way back when. Batman died during Final Crisis, which is what, eight years ago? Bucky even came back, despite being dead since WW2.

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It was fun making those edits but all the twitter outrage is ridiculous. I'd love to see the outrage if they still did those bait and switch covers or even Superdickery. People can't even wait until the next issue to see what's going on

>>83258186
plot twist: every single Marvel character ever created has been working for Hydra all along. Turns out Hydra's organization is so large and their plots so overcomplex they can't keep track of a damn thing. Case in point: Hydra's current Supreme Leader is Richard Baumgardner, 67, a retired post office employee who lives in Brooklyn and enjoys gambling. he thinks he's been running a trade association for postal employees.

>>83258149
He has high tech lenses on his mask.

>>83259858
I can see it up to and including the Asgardians finding out that they have actually always been a part of some larger Hydra pantheon, etc.

>>83259858
Marvel presents: Marvel Hydra.

>>83260164
It's the new ultimate

>>83260164
And in Stan's very last appearance in the MCU which just also happens to be his last appearance ever before he transcends this plane with the stolen energies of every other deceased celebrity before him, he turns to the camera and says, "Hail Hydra."

>>83259858
Marvel Civil War: Hydra

pro-registration: Avengers
anti-registration: New Avengers
pretending to be pro-registration but actually anti: Uncanny Avengers
pretending to be anti but really pro: Mighty Avengers
pretending to not care: Defenders, New Invaders
Hydra mutants: Hydra-men
pretending to be a genocidal maniac but really pro-reg: Thanos
not sure what they're pretending to be anymore: Hydra of Asgard
the only non-Hydra entity in the multiverse: a very confused Loki

>>83258506
Shit /co/ I think I've got it. Though someone else has probably worked it before me.

This is Steve Rogers, Captain America himself. Formerly known as William Burnside. He was Captain America in the 50's, and legally changed his name to the same as the original Cap's. Long story short, he used an imperfect version of the super soldier serum, and went crazy.

This guy was obsessed with Steve Rogers. He changed his name, dressed like Rogers, styled his hair like Rogers, even got himself a teenage sidekick like Rogers. This is Steve Rogers, no mind control, no robots, nothing. Legally, they have the same name.

>>83259858
if a DC character said "Hail Hydra" I would care.

>>83259847
Its kinda funny, Im usually one who gets mad about Superior SpiderMan,Black Wally etc.

But this time I find the overreaction kinda weird. Shit like this happens all the time in comics, so seeing normalfags get mad about it is kinda funny.

>>83260485
Well chemically induced insanity and single white femaling Steve isn't strictly speaking mind control so sure.

>>83258506
cosmic cube warping reality is not (technically) mind control

>>83258595
this

>>83258727
the mouse is REALLY unhappy about ESPN. their Marvel division is turning a hefty profit. ESPN sure as hell isn't.

>>83255762
All I can think of looking at that is cobra

Makes me want to join them more than hydra
https://youtu.be/Kha63bVVlUM

>>83257830
That was before his directorial debut bombed.

Rumor has it he changed his tune and wouldn't mind playing Cap for a while longer.
Which seems to indicate that he does enjoy the job, given that Daniel Craig turned down another James Bond movie even for a paycheck that would have literally doubled his net worth.

>>83255762
He looks cool.

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>>83260534
It's funny I don't remember hearing anything mainstream about SpOck and Peter dying but I remember when Ultimate Pete died it was all over the place.

>>83260741
Probably because everyone knew SpOck was temporary despite Slott's insistence otherwise

>>83260875
Even Ultimate Peter's death was temporary

>>83260983
Well yeah but he just fucked off forever tho.

Honestly considering how most Petes suffer it was the best end for him

>>83260553
Single white femaling?

Thing is, all of what he's said is true. If this is just a guy who is obsessed with the original Cap, then he's not mind controlled, or a robot, or even an imposter. He is Steve Rogers, and he is, or at least was, Captain America.

What wraps it up a bit more is that during the...80's I think? He got brought back as a white supremacist villain.

Also something I thought was funny, when I'm reading about all this controversy. In the She-Hulk ongoing from a while ago, it was revealed that Steve, when he was a child, had signed up to a Fifth Column group. Basically, American Nazis. He even was accused - and later admitted to - killing a man. This all happened...a year before Project Rebirth as well.

No one gave a shit then. But suddenly it's all a massive outrage. The style of the reveal is exactly the same too. He admits that yes, he killed the man he's accused of killing, and yes, he was part of that group, and then the issue ends on that cliffhanger.

>>83260741
It was after Ultimate Peter died so people had already used up all their outrage before SpOck. Plus it didn't have a fancy memorial issue. Dude just died and got replaced.

>>83260503
>Current reboot runs its course
>Oz is defeated
>Final words he utters: "Hail Hydra!"

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>>83261052
That issue hit hard

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>>83258095
>NEXT MARVEL EVENT
>EVERYONE IS HYDRA

We haven't had one of those from Marvel since the "everyone is Spider-man" and "everyone is Hulk" and "everyone is Thor" events.

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>>83261183

>>83261048
>Single white femaling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LclFf6HrDkI

so I'm guessing there's no actual real discussion on this since any actual criticism gets you branded an SJW and a bunch of people who probably complain about free speech a lot make sure you can't actually talk about the wider implications of a move like this(not to mention how implausible it is even by Marvel standards).

>>83261436
Are you making that argument of "Some Cap fans are jews so making him Hydra is offensive to them". In response to that it doesn't matter because it's a fictional story and if people can't tell the difference between the two they should've spilled on their dad's leg

>>83261199

This sounds like one of the few good things that could come out of this. They could even do a full on Injustice type thing. Who would Batman be?

>>83257908
I was thinking this last night. I want a Superior Cap series with Red Skull taking over Cap's body. That'd be fun.

>>83261575

This isn't an argument and in fact shows a pretty profound ignorance of how these things work(and is probably the reason /co/ has such an anti-social justice bent in general).

It being a "fictional story" doesn't really matter. Myths are fictional stories, but they shaped religion, and much of how we view and describe the world around us. It's no different with television, comics.

Captain America wasn't just a comic book character either. Like in 616 itself, he was very much a symbol of anti-Nazi resistance. Standing up for the little guy. When something becomes a cultural symbol, it matters. With the MCU a lot of people have latched onto those aspects of these characters all over again.

The anti-SJW argument on this aside from being "morally" wrong is just intellectually lazy. Fiction shapes the world around us. Much of our modern world is fictional. The whole concept of "race" is mostly fictional for a start. But it doesn't stop /pol/ having dumb views about Jews and blacks.

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>>83255762

Not as cool as Captain Empire.

>>83261575

I also can't see a real argument for how taking a character created by Jews, empowered by Jewish science in Universe and making him a neo-nazi isn't something that's at the very least tacky and disrespectful. This is actually a pretty extreme move, and when there's an effective taboo/censorship on even raising these points you know something is pretty fucked. It doesn't seem like there's anything you can do in comics that people have a right to be offended by, or take issue with.

On the other hand, if Cap was revealed to be Bi people here would lose their shit. People already have lost their shit over the various "Diverse" changes that have been made. Edgelords think Nazi Cap is great because it "trolls" SJWs but don't see how sensitive they are themselves. A lot of people who push this shit will claim not to be bigots or right wing but always see those agendas as being subversive for the upset they cause, as opposed to regressive for taking us back to the 50s.

>>83262033
>>83261870
>thisisbait.jpg

>>83262360
Wow, is he really tryin that hard?

>>83261199
Don't forget everyone is a skrull.

>>83262647
Not at all. I'm actually disappointed. It's good to see that he knows how the next issue will go though. Maybe this guy is scanbro?

Capitan Hydra, and his sidekick Hydra Bob

>>83260164
Would be stupid but the type of stupid I can get into

>>83262771
I saw someone attacking Hydra Bob in all of this.

It's like they missed the whole point of that suicide bomber, and how he wasn't in it because he was a racist, but because he wanted to not feel like shit or get raped in the shower.

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>>83260485
Sounds familiar.

>>83255762
thought it was a lobster johnson edit at first glance

>>83255762
Quickly retconned the week before the next marvel movie to have him in it is released.

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>>83257946

>>83255762
More like Captain Crab with that chest logo.

>>83264569
I thought Red Skull was supposed to be the villain

>>83264674
Wait... if you think about it.. Based Red Skull, captain hydra...

maybe captain is fighting for good after all.

>>83261166
>Dr Manhattan was a member of Hydra all along
>Moore suicide bombs Disney

>>83264569
Wow, the Red Skull is literally doing nothing wrong. Hail Hydra

>>83264569
then they ruined it all by turning him and the crowd into mustache twirlers and suicide bomber terrorists.

>>83264569
trump was red skull all along!

>>83264894
What if the twist is Cap is the Skull and Skull is Cap.

>>83261208
Damn, man. Every time.

>>83265118
So that's why his skin is orange
The fake skin overlayed on the red makes it that color

Let me guess the nigger captain America will be the new good guy right?

>>83265148
I almost choked to death giggling like a school girl

>>83265073
that's just historical accuracy

politicians with a silver tongue orate sweetly about how the nation deserves a new golden age and next thing you know you're an impoverished police state funneling all your money into war, citizens are executed for the flimsiest of reasons, and the guy who started it all is forcing his cousin to piss on him

>>83265133
Oh man, even better.

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>>83264569

>>83258408
man, those stucky shippers work fast.

>>83265288
It reads like really awkward propaganda

>spencer implies you should like refugees coming from the same countries creating suicide bombers

>the people against refugees are making suicide bombers

uhhh?

>>83265189
This is just to show us how evil the Big White Male really is. Marvel's really showing it to us.

>>83257830
>>83260672
Who knows what he wants but for know he seems OK with playing Cap.

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>>83257802
Evans Cap made just about every wrong call possible in Civil War, even years before the movie even happened if you wanna go as far back as finding out about Stark's parents in Winter Soldier.

He's a based guy, but he was pretty much dumbass incarnate in this movie.

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>>83265189

Why do you think they made this homage with Cap taking the place of Hitler? This was all set up in advance.

>>83265312
It's probably old, this has been a popular fandom AU for a while

>>83255762
This thing blew up, even James Gunn is commenting on it.

>>83265512
>didn't sign the accords
>didn't tell the drunk with daddy issues that his parents were brutally murdered because it would open old wounds for him
>every one on his side wanted to be their of their own free will
>went after the real villain the entire movie
>was one of the only characters who's motivation wasn't vengeance
>saved his friends and created the A-Team at the end

He did absolutely nothing wrong

>>83261208
Ultimate Peter gave up for good after he ressurected, didn't he?

>>83265266
I want an arc where Red Skull is a legitimate politician. rallying people all over the world to his ideology. then gets elected as Chancellor of Germany. All the while Captain America is just waiting for Red to go back to his old ways. Yet Red never does. He just keeps being an effective administrator and enjoys healthy popular support.

>>83266175
Aren't there Superman stories like that with Lex?

>>83265845
How long until they make the fucking intro already.

I'm waiting for that damn A(vengers)- Team mashup.

>>83255762
Very much into that costume.

>>83266227
yes, but even then Lex eventually reveals his master plan to destroy superman, goes crazy from kyptonite steroids, and gets in power armor to punch the story to an end.

I just want to have Red Skull be right and drive Captain America crazy.

>>83266175
That sounds really, really boring

>>83257830
That was before Winter Soldier and the Russos. He seems like he legitimately likes being Cap now.

>>83264674
>>83264894
>>83265133
>>83265267
I know you all hate minorities and shit, but when has being against people of another culture/race ever been shown to be a positive thing in Superhero comics? You guys are literally agreeing with a Nazi supervillain. And you can bitch about Anti-Trump stigma all you want, but this isn't out of character for Red Skull to say at all. Think about that.

>>83264937
>Moore screams "Hail Hydra" before he hits the detonator

>>83266621
>you all hate minorities
Nice assumptions there pal. Just because I'm against mass migration doesn't make me a racist

>>83266621
protip: those aren't his opinions and he's just preying on impressionable people, it's meant to be an example of his manipulative skill

>>83266621
Ok Spencer.

I kind of want this to happen just to make the frothing-at-the-mouth retards kill themselves IRL

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>>83255762
Guys, this has already become a normie meme

I mean, I'm not, like, upset about it or anything. I'm not possessive of memes. It's just usually takes more than a couple days for things to diffuse from 4can to normiebook.

>>83266095
Well.

He got to bang Mary Jane. Thats about as happy an ending as any Parker can get.

>>83264569
>>83264674
>>83264993
>>83265073
>>83265118
>>83265288

I feel like I saw the same set of responses last time this was posted...

>>83266747
Of course not, that makes you a xenophobe.
The support of an openly and proudly racist candidate, despite knowing the likely harm that will come to your fellow citizens if your support makes a difference, makes you racist.
This time history will not allow the excuse of "We knew nothing of the camps." because this time the building of camps and the rounding up of minorities was actually a campaign promise.
This is who you are.

>>83268350
... Didn't OneMoreDay retcon that?

>>83268769
>OMD
>Ultimate Peter

>>83255762
Honestly, I just wish people would stop calling him a Nazi. Red Skull is the Nazi, Hydra is a Spectre knock-off

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Am I too late for this meme?

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>>83258095
>dat Luke

>>83259156
I'm looking forward to the story where Bucky has a self-lubricating werevag and gets impregnated by 500 billion HYDRA wolfdicks then cries about it when he miscarries afterwards.

>>83268297
Cap became Cap to win WW2, this 'hydra are nazis' thing is a myth that normies are spreading because they only watched the movies and aren't too bright.

Cap could become their mascot and it wouldn't violate his core character.

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>>83269243
Not at all

Suprised Marvel didn't released Hydra Gwen yet.

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>>83255762
What the fuck is that on his chest?

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>>83269033
NO...
A.I.M. is the SPECTRE rip-off. Remember the plastic beekeeper radiation suits the henchmen used in the Dr. No movie?
Hydra is just a general stand-in for any and all fascism /pol/ crap. They've used it in stories about imposed dictatorships, mass brainwashing schemes, rigging elections, "Manchurian" candidates, corrupt buisness practices, etc. etc.

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Meanwhile, Tumblr is in a "my friends/family were more offended by Hydra Cap than yours" contest.

>>83269588
AIM got the suits, Hydra got the logo, it all works out

>>83255762
Obvious brainwashing is obvious.

>>83269650
I love stories like this. Just because if it's ever this elaborate and corny - it's definitely made up by some bored fuck.

>>83266621
fuck off Spencer

Superior Foes weren't even good

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>>83259858
>>83260164

>>83269650

The worst is the people bringing up Kirby and Simon as shields

>>83269660
A.I.M. also got the basic idea: remember how Dr. No was supposed to be the 8th smartest man in the world? The guy with the cat was #1, it was like if mensa was evil.
A.I.M. has the exact same gimmick.
Hydra is just about being fascist however you can, there's no I.Q. test involved.
But yeah, someone sure stole that logo from someone. Maybe Octopussy was the first?

>>83269896

When did Spectre first get a logo? I think Sternako might've got there first

>>83269688
If it's so obvious then why do the idiots not see it and make twelve spoiler bitch threads every day? Huh?
Is there an obvious answer to THAT?

>>83269798
>"Nick Spencer is LITERALLY tap-dancing on Kirby and Simon's graves while doing a Hitler salute"
-Tumblr, probably

>>83269243
HOLY FUCK

Are you guys excited for all the congratulations and jerk off sessions when people say they got Spencer to change the story whenever Cap turns back to normal

>>83258506
So hes a deep double double agent.

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>>83269730
you went too far

>>83270039
I really love that this is an accidental test of who actually reads comics.

Those who get buttmad about this don't know that shit like this happens all the time.

>>83269996
People hate change.

Editor said it wasn't brainwashing.

Probably inserted memories

>>83255762
That costume is pretty cool though, tbqh fambamjambalam.

>>83270097
Bitch, if I ever bait it's going to be epic. Threads will go down.
That right there, that was just pointing out facts.

To do bait right you need to put in an obvious wrong that begs t be corrected. Did I do that?

>>83269650

The only notable point to be found here is the one about Steve being able to wield Mjolnir, because it means one of two things. Either it's proof positive that Steve's just been mindfucked (which seems pretty obvious anyway), or it means Mjolnir has also been retconned in a way that would make a Hydra double agent worthy of wielding the power of Thor.

>>83270186
I've tried to say things go back to status quo in a few months to a few people that got their feelings hurt and just got hurt more and said I'm a dummy.

>>83270251

No, you just need to erect a strawman and argue at it while everyone else looks on in bewilderment.

>>83270186
>>83270186

it's fucking fascinating to watch

I don't know, though. The fact that I know this is only temporary, and not real, makes it MORE annoying for me. It feels extraordinarily cheap and cynical, even by Brevoort Marvel's standards.

>>83269243
But he was working for the patriots.

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>>83270186
And if they knew their comics history, say like during the Bush years when Marvel had Dark Reign, they would know to buckle up and hope national politics don't invite four more years of HydraHeroes companywide.

>>83260485
This is how they get their gay Captain America also.

>>83265118
More like true Hitler. Trump is what Americans believe of Hitler.

>>83270616
That is so never going to happen, they might play with the idea and set up a suggestive situation or two but nobody at Marvel actually has the balls to do that.
Bendis will ressurect Professor X as a crossdresser from the planet Transsexual in the galaxy of Transylvania before that ever happens.

>>83266517
The Russos and the dissolution of the creative council must have drastically altered the working environment. Dude seems pretty attached to the character now.

>>83271569
>dissolution of the creative council
Huh?

>>83258818
How the fuck? They're like a super tiny part of the fandom. Why would Marvel even notice them?

Has Cap been hypnotized?

>>83269243
...he always worked for the patriots though.

>>83271204
They might actually do that just to fuck with Fox.

>>83271819
see
>>83258506

>>83271625
I don't know anything about today's corporate Disney shill Marvel, but back in the day they were well known for a rather unconventional workplace environment where random brainstorming sessions would set the creative agenda for months in advance.
They made their mint with that method, I don't know why they changed it all up.

>>83271842
Great Scott! That's so sweet! Transsexuals from Transylvania! But if they do do it things might get a little rocky. It'll be a real horror show.

>>83271933
They still have those retreats.

>>83271625
Millar and Bendis are no longer around to try to shit the movies up with their garbage ideas.

>>83270039
Will that be before or after Thor gets back the 616 hammer?

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>>83259858
>>83260164
>>83269752
and so the tzeentch was born just as planned

>>83270075
That's what I'm figuring, some kind of stupid deep agent nonsense that doesn't hold up a damn bit outside the one comic.

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>>83260421
>Marvel Civil War: Hydra
>pro-registration: Avengers
>anti-registration: New Avengers
>pretending to be pro-registration but actually anti: Uncanny Avengers
>pretending to be anti but really pro: Mighty Avengers
>pretending to not care: Defenders, New Invaders
>Hydra mutants: Hydra-men
>pretending to be a genocidal maniac but really pro-reg: Thanos
>not sure what they're pretending to be anymore: Hydra of Asgard
>the only non-Hydra entity in the multiverse: a very confused Loki

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>>83258350
Well, of course he is

>>83258186
>when everyone's Hydra, noone will be

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>>83265523
Just realized the kraut guard in CA 1 is rocking a Tommy gun. Which means he's American, which means Captain Nazi was really attacking an undercover US agent impersonating Hitler all along. POETRY

>>83273819
It could also be a PPSh. But that just raises further questions.

>>83270261
Or Mjolnir has been a Hydra double agent all along.

>>83273864
Nah, the stock, round barrel and forward grip betray it as a Chicago typewritter, and the guard next to him looks like he's carrying a Colt 1911. Amazing how well they planted the details for this reveal so far in advance.

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>>83273895
I don't know who's the next reveal but Quicksilver is already on team Hydra.

(and that's called a spoiler box, use one the next time you post a spoiler)

>>83265523
Is the guy in upper right deliberately trying to accidentally cap Hitler?

>>83257830
95% of people only work for the money

welcome to the real world

Anyone got a good resolution screencap of Bucky and Falcon in the car when Steve made out with Sharon?

>>83261208
Why are they all shocked, she didn't just say "hail hydra" did she?

>>83259588
>And then give Zeno a redemption arc while Cap stays evil.

Shiiiiit. Why do I want this so much?

>>83278173

Because anti-heroic Zemo is fun as hell.

Also it would be hilarious if Hydra Cap constantly tried to convert him back by appealing to Zemo's utopian saviour streak and how he is destined to rule the world.

And a redemption arc for Zemo would piss off the tumblrinas even more than Captain Hydra, judging by the shitfit they threw when Zemo got added to that mobile game.

>>83266621
>I know you all hate minorities and shit
Wrong. We hate minorities who commit huge amounts of crime.

>You guys are literally agreeing with a Nazi supervillain.
No we are agreeing with an imaginary comic book character.

>>83271625
No more Perlmutter

The guy is good at saving companies in crisis but he makes some bizarre creative decisions.

Its something designed by Marvel to make fans angry so they can sell more books.

It made fans angry and they're going to sell more books.

>>83255762
I really want Cap to go full Big Boss

>>83271625
The Marvel Creative Commitee, they were responsable for practically all executive meddling in the MCU.
Those guys and Perlmutter who kept cheapening everything got kicked out and no longer have any say regarding the movies.
Disney only wants toys to sell, so they don't really care what they do with the MCU regarding the story or the budgets since Disney sees the movie as an investment, as advertisments to sell their toys.

That's why suddenly they are casting so many huge names for Thor Ragnarok, they can now go full retard with the budgets.

>>83255762
I always felt Cap as a big boss/volobeal kurtz rouge military chatacter was the natural progression from nomad and civil war. Something like Rightclops or Evil Reed where even as a "bad guy." They are totally cool.

Being a Hydra plant though, not a fan of.

>>83259858
This is fucking genius

>>83271874
I'd definitely categorize that, along with "memory alteration" as types of mind control

>>83259858
t. Hideo Kojima

>>83264569
I love how the writers made this whole page and thought "Oh shit, he's actually right! I better make him still seem evil" and so the next page has him organizing suicide bombings

>>83270261
Mjolnir being wielded doesn't mean as much anymore though. Not since Marvel couldn't be bothered to provide an explanation in-universe as to why Thor couldn't wield it anymore.

Why's there twitter drama about a plot twist? Is something about this racist?

>>83281560
No, people just don't like Cap being a bad guy.

>>83255762
I don't get that logo on the costume

I see a skull...and then whats the rest??? Nonsense??

Why not just the regular Hydra Symbol?

>>83281560
Something about it being inherently racist to turn a symbol Jewish kids might look up to into a Nazi I guess? I don't know.

It's of course just "NOT MUH" that they're trying to obfuscate by arguing morality. Common tactic these days, if you can shame the other side enough you will win the argument.

>>83282744
My guess is it's supposed to be an H, but they put that flat on his head so I don't know what happened after.

>>83282817
In AoE, wasn't it a big plot point that the original Nazi elements of Hydra were being purged?

>>83283090
It's not about being factually correct at this point. It's bullying other people to agree with you by making them feel bad about their opinion.

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>>83261199
>EVERYTHING IS HYDRA!

Stan Lee likes it

>>83283436
Source?

>>83283447
>“It’s a hell of a clever idea; I don’t know that I would ever have thought of it for him to be a double agent, but it’s going to make you curious, it’s going to make you want to read the books, they’ll probably do a movie based on it, so I can’t fault it; it’s a good idea. I think it’s crazy, but it’s a good idea.”


http://screenrant.com/captain-america-hydra-stan-lee-response/

My bet so far is that Rogers is a triple agent. Raised to be a Hydra Agent and become Captain America per Hydra's orders, but had a change of heart somewhere along the line and is bidding his time just like Hydra is too.

So like:
>Hydra raises Steve
>Orders him to become Captain America, infiltrate society as a hero, gain their trust and wait for the endgame
>Literally everything Captain did so far was under Hydra's orders/authorization
>However, deep inside, Steve is good and is also bidding his time
>When Hydra's ultimate plan finally comes and they order him to betray the heroes, he will betray Hydra (Or will pretend to betray the heroes only to strike Hydra at their most vulnerable)

Otherwise this makes some gigantic plot holes in the Marvel universe (Notably, Cap being able to raise Mjolnir)

>>83283537
The flashbacks too heavily suggest that they've been tampered with for me to believe it's anything other than that.

>>83283631
What do you mean tampered with?

>>83283848
The parts with the Hydra woman have a suspicious amount of red in them for otherwise black and white scenes. Red Skull has Professor Xavier powers right now. It's likely she was inserted into Steve's memories at some point or the specific parts with her played differently in reality (like maybe his mom turned her down in the real timeline or something). This would skirt around the idea of brainwashing or mindcontrol since he is still in his right mind and making decisions on his own, but obviously it changes who he is in a reversible manner.

Or the cosmic cube did it when he was turned young. Whatever it was it happened in Standoff.

>>83271204
>Bendis will ressurect Professor X as a crossdresser from the planet Transsexual in the galaxy of Transylvania before that ever happens.
I would watch that

>>83261974
>I've always been impotent

>Captain Hydra

I am hard as rock right now.

>tfw this ends up with Roger and Red Skull manly fisticuffs

>>83268712
Immigration isn't a race issue its a national issue. It doesn't matter what race the people are or what country they came from. If you let in a shitload of refugees its going to cause problems. Not because they are a violent or radical culture, but because letting in a shitload of poor homeless people without any definitive plan for what to do with them is always going to lead to negative consequences. I don't blame the refugees, but letting hundreds of thousands of them into the country is extremely problematic. Its a complicated issue and, while its not as simple as /pol/ makes it sound, its also not as simple as you're making it sound.

>>83271569
also Mackie pressence in the films

>>83255762
i want him to punish spidey

>>83258818
HTP?

>>83286698
Hydra Trash Party, basically just rape fics. It's fun.

I like the idea of it as like, a What If?

Having that shit 616 is dumb, but this is the era of "story over continuity"

>>83286698
Hydra Trash Party.

It's a small subset of the Cap fandom that likes to draw/write about Bucky/Cap/rest of the Cap characters getting raped or tortured by HYDRA. Includes all types of dark fanfiction and obviously there's some AUs where Cap is part of HYDRA. Most of tumblr fandom goes apeshit when they hear about HTP because it's ~problematic and now they're accusing that part of fandom for influencing Marvel to make the Cap HYDRA twist. It's pretty hilarious how delusional they are, the people who enjoy HTP are a small part of the fandom and obviously couldn't have that much influence.