DC appreciation thread

>>83158161
Days like this are why I still read comics.

>>83158161

Justice League 50 was kind of a mess and Darkseid War as a whole was a disappointment but holy hell Rebirth was fantastic.

>>83158161
I haven't read DC comics since like mid-Brightest Day and reading Rebirth has intrigued me.

Is there anything I should read to catch up?

>>83158263
you'll be fine

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>>83158161

>“Rebirth is about focusing in on the core of the character and their respective universe,” says writer and DC Entertainment Chief Creative Officer Geoff Johns. “It brings back what has been lost: the legacy of the characters, the love and the hope of the DCU!”

We wuz just trollan you niggas with all the dark and edgy shit, you didn't really LIKE that stuff, did ya?"

Wally made me cry ;_;

>>83158263

Nope, if anything being familiar with the New 52 might make it harder to get into.

>>83158340
You'll probably cry the next time a Flash dies, and again when they bring one back.
You are kind've a faggot that way.

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>Johns favorited a tweet of mine about Rebirth on Twitter

Woah I just realized I was here for the entirety of the New 52. For ten years Dr. Manhattan controlled what I was reading?! How the fuck is this even-

>blue explosion

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>tfw love dark and edgy and bright and hopeful

No dualities only symmetries, nigga.

>>83158161
Rebirth is legit the best thing DC has put out in years.

The question is if DC can keep it up and use it as the foundation for the DCU going forward. If they can, it'll could very well be a dawn of a new age for the company.

It would be great if DC could recapture the almost 50/50 market share of the past. Both Marvel and DC had better output when they had a true quasi rival relationship.

Thank you based DC, good work on beating the fuck out of Marvel on this glorious day

For the first time in a long time, I'm legitimately optimistic about the future of DC comics.

Hope burns bright.

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>>83158413
>mfw I first started reading monthly series as they came out with the New 52

We were played like a goddamn fiddle

>>83158539
You've swam through so much shit, decent comics now seem like a Godsend!

I saw Manhattan coming but him being in cahoots with Ozy is fucking unbelievable.

>>83158568
I cry every time they kill Barry, Wally, Barry's mom, Wally's mom, Barry's dog......

>>83158673
>>83158659

>Being loyal to a company

Go back to /v/

>>83158568
Liking Steve Rogers: Hydra Agent, so far?

So wait, Dr. Manhattan created the DCU? A lot of the his stuff in before watchmen makes sense now.

I just liked the feel of Rebirth, reading it felt like reading a lot of the older storylines I really like.

>>83158880
I thought he stole ten years from the DCU

>>83158161
As a fan of New 52 Superman, I wouldn't really call today my day. Superman #52 was shit, unceremoniously killed off Superman just so post-crisis Superman could be the One True Superman and Rebirth is basically a big middle finger to anyone who actually liked the New 52.

Good to see Wally back at least.

>>83158853
>Steve Rogers: Hydra Agent
This is a thing!?

>>83158880
No, while reality was getting reset back to how it was at the end of Flashpoint, Dr. Manhattan stole 10 years from the DCU which caused the whole timeline to get fucked up.

>>83158920
There have been at least 2 threads since the story time.

>>83158904
Haha what this is the dumbest fucking post I read all day.

>>83158249
JL 50 was a mess, but it had moments I absolutely loved.
Rebirth gave me feels a comic hasn't been able to illicit out out me in years.
Even Superman and Grayson were enjoyable today. Unlike the day JL 1 was released, I find myself legitimately, unreservedly hyped for and interested in where the DCU goes from here.

>>83158996
SquirrelGirl

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>>83158996

>>83158977
Grayson had that Digimon 02 moment where Every version of Dick gets to kick the villain to a curb.

I kinda of wish New 52 Superman could have survived in some sort of Ultimate style universe.

Post-crisis Supes is always going to be the "real" Superman to me, but the new guy had grown on me.

>>83158972
>he laughs as every DC character's backstory becomes more convoluted
>to explain the history of Jim Gordon, you now need to talk about cosmic level events
>Hawkman just got even worse

>>83159047
When he was in t-shirt and jeans mode were his best stories.

>>83159047
there's a good chance he's revealed to be Kal-L The power set/save for the Flare, matches up.

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>Johns taking over the DCEU;
>Rebirth series up to a good start;
>Half of the Rebirth line-up looking pretty good;
>Hanna-Barbera titles;
>Way's DC (YOU)ng Animals;
>That Kamandi collaborative thing;
>Morrison working on Multiversity Too, E1 WW vol.2&3 and Batman: Black & White;
>Hickman working on something still unannounced (most likely taking over the JLA title, LoSH or both);
>Upcoming Milestone Comics revival;
What a great time to be alive.

>>83159079
>Hawkman just got even worse
Eventually Hawkman's continuity will be come so convoluted and contradictory that half of it will perfectly cancel out the other half and bring him back down to a simple straightforward origin.

>>83158954
>at least 2
By my count, there's been closer to a dozen.

>>83159152
He'll wake in the shower; it was all a dream

>>83159192
And he looks just like Michael Keaton

>>83159100
>there's a good chance he's revealed to be Kal-L The power set/save for the Flare, matches up.
I hope this is true. That or he's Superboy Prime.

>>83159152
If you think it's bad now, just wait till DC eventually changes his ethnicity and yet have him be the same person.

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>>83159123
>What a great time to be alive.
I'll do you one better. What a great time to be a DC fan. Today in particular, and last week to a lesser degree, have me feeling like pic related, except switch out year for decade.

Is anyone else just feeling "meh" over the whole thing?
I mean, i thought everyone was in on the hypercrisis so everything was already part of the same story. New 52 was always just another timeline that we were focusing on now to me. I think it's just the inclusion of the watchmen that will be okay, and even then, i don't see them beating manhattan in a fist fight and dragging it out as they challenge his world views. It's going to be Volthoom 2.0 except gay

>>83159224
>If you think it's bad now, just wait till DC eventually changes his ethnicity and yet have him be the same person.
>Black Hawkman
>Somehow have to link him into the Blackhawks too

>>83158901
>Rebirth is basically a big middle finger to anyone who actually liked the New 52.
And a well-deserved one, who the fuck actually liked the new 52?

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>>83158161
Praise the Cereal King

Cereal for the Cereal Throne

>>83158161
Honestly, it doesn't take a lot to beat Marvel when they're putting out the trash they have been putting out.

Still, good stuff so far.

>>83159334
Gwenpool.

>>83158510
>>83158465
I'm optimistic but at the same worried if they're going to make a huge mess of this, trying to reconcile both continuities

>>83159123
>Hickman working on something still unannounced

Has this been confirmed?

I enjoyed the Rebirth issue, but more than that holy hell am I happy with Omega Men.

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>even the goddamned logo is gone

>>83158934
>Dr. Manhattan stole 10 years from the DCU which caused the whole timeline to get fucked up.
Dr. Manhattan confirmed to be Steven Seagal stealing everybody fuckin' birthday

>>83159334
It's my honest opinion, I haven't touched anything from the big two for a good six months because it's gotten so shitty, but DC managed to interest me with Rebirth, while Marvel has only drawn me away with shit like Gwenpool, Civil War 2, and Capitan America being HYDRA all along.

>>83158413
watchman movie 2009.
New 52. 2011.

>>83159404
I'm really hearing a lot of praise for this. Should I pick it up?

>>83158196
What happened today besides Rebirth #1

>>83158901
Now imagine how flashpoint made everyone else feel.
They wouldn't shut the fuck up for 5 years until we got this.
It wasn't even bad, no one took away the old stories, they just couldn't handle a simple timeline change.
No one cares about the stories, they just want THEIR characters back. But hopefully we do get good stories, and a cleaner history because shit was ridiculous before flashpoint.

Celebrate DC Friends, the real winner will be shown once the Sales Chart is posted later next month, then you'll see how jackshit everyone actually cares about this crap.

>>83159457
Yes, definitely.

>>83159224
>Transrace Hawkman

Mite be cool.

>>83158161
Feels good /co/. Cried like a little bitch reading Rebirth.

>>83159487
Drax

>>83159457
You should, it was a nice comic and you get 80 pages of comic and covers and shit for only 2.99 USD.

>>83159275
It had some decent books, even if the delivery system was the best.

>>83159468
Captain America
Steve Rogers

is a nazi now

>>83159396
He teased it on twitter:
https://twitter.com/JHickman/status/712741037807116290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

>>83159224
He dies, gets reborn, and is a different race.

Honestly, the Hawks are the easiest folks to pull that off with.

Rebirth was not a good comic, it was a desperate disjointed advertisement written by a hypocritical hack who is immediately abandoning the comics he supposedly loves so much.

>>83159631
he always trolls on twitter, it's probably a lie

>>83159742
cry more quesada

>>83159742
B8

>>83159562
Marvel did win though.

People are infinitely more pissed about the Captain America thing and it's getting more awareness than Rebirth is, just like Marvel wanted.

Will the sales for Rebirth be a killing?

>>83159798
Source.

>>83159730
I like the Marvel movies but I haven't touched any of their comics since for ever because they only have retards writing their stuff.

Don't get me wrong, Cap being HYDRA all along is scraping the bottom of the barrel as much as Watchmen being brought into the DC universe, but at least DC isn't spitting on their reader's faces.

>>83159879
Not him but i'm seeing normie facebook friends upset about it

People who don't read comics

>>83159742
>disjointed advertisement
While I did enjoy Rebirth, it did feel a bit weird having moments like the "Gotham" people who are highly likely just going to be antagonists for one or two Batman arcs and then forgotten.

>the day is ours
>Captain America is trending

>>83159457
yes

the complete trade comes out in August, I think

>>83159931
Yeah, because they want people to make him gay. Checkmate.

Today's been nuts. My phones been glued to my hand.

>>83159965
It's the Hydra thing and you know it, Mr. Damage Control.

>>83159965
this. These normies don't even read the actual Comics, they only care about MCU cap.

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>>83159931
>>83160020

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>>83159538
that's basically what he was in The Golden Age

>h-hey Carter nice ancient Egyptian costume you got there

>>83160055
AHAHHAAH

Great stuff keep it up DC, new 52 was all right but the Classics from the 90s are BACK, now let´s have fun! I wish Wally West would stay :-(

>>83159730
People aren't really accepting it though.

>>83159730
the movies is the only thing Marvel have going for it

>>83160063
Are you saying he was kings n shit?

>>83160259
this. once that dries up, (Phase 4 will wear it thin, because I don't think they'll ever recover from losing both RDJ and Evans) they're back to being non-factors.

>jealous marvelfags lying that their Cap Nazi shit has more of an impact than DC UNJUSTing their shit and canonizing the greatest graphic novel of all time into mainstream continuity

oh my god, shit like this is why i keep coming back to /co/

>>83160136
>I wish Wally West would stay
?

He is staying. He's in Titans now.

>>83159798
>People are infinitely more pissed about the Captain America thing
It's a social marketing campaign, just like #makeelsaalesbian and #captainamericasuckscock

notice how they're all owned by Disney and each campaign followed right after the other

none of those people will be buying a comic

america #1 was storytimed once and no one cared but ever since then there have been constant "that is it I am never reading captain america again" threads cause bad publicity is good publicity according to marvel and the mouseketeers of the MCU-Shillverse are out in force.

Rebirth on the other hand has been storytimed at least 3 times now and people have been genuinely excited about it.

DC did good I just hope they can continue building on this and keep the momentum going

>>83160458
Do you think King can take us to the promised land?

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>>83159036
WHAT^?

Pic pelase?

>>83160533
>today in a nutshell

>>83160578
Posted here >>83144773

>>83159123
>>Hickman working on something still unannounced (most likely taking over the JLA title, LoSH or both)
As someone that doesn't really read Marvel should we be excited for this? I hear mixed things about Hickman from Marvel people.

>>83159562
I still can't believe he actually wrote that. We knew he was a shill already but to actually go THAT far in praising that stupid twist is something else.

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>>83160541
I hope so anon, I want to believe.

>>83159123
>>83159631
>Hickman working on something still unannounced (most likely taking over the JLA title, LoSH or both)
>https://twitter.com/JHickman/status/712741037807116290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

That was a joke anon

>>83159798
>it's getting more awareness than Rebirth is
Bull-fucking-shit. Since Rebirth came out there have been constant new threads here and places like r/comicbooks talking about it compared to only a couple of Cap ones. Hell it's not even that big on the Marvel subreddit because everyone with half a brain knows it's just a stunt and isn't the new status.

I know you tired to make it a thing Rich but people just don't care.

>>83159913
yes, and you know what. People who don't buy comics.

>>83160927
Shame on me then. Fuck, was getting already excited about the idea.
>Hickman's LoSH probably never

>>83160952
/co/ and comic subreddits aren't the only places that exist.

Twitter exploded in anger over it and only stopped trending like an hour or two ago, and facebook had it trending for a while and people were angry there too.

>>83161073
>Twitter exploded in anger over
Oh shit not twitter.......why should we care about people that get get outraged by literally anything and don't read comics think?

No one was lining up last night a midnight to get the Cap book. Those are the target demo, and they were all there for Rebirth.

>>83161205
Especially when Captain America doesn't have:
>The Costume
>The Shield
>His Backstory

It's as if they're trying to make the comics version shit while everyone jizzes out over Evans.

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>>83158161

/co/mrades, does someone has the checklist that showcases which Books will be released twice a month and which only once?

I had it stored in my hdd, but now can't find it. Thanks in advance.

>>83158161
I'm glad they're bringing back the legacies and relationships (so many moments in Rebirth made me choke up and I'm not even a Flashfag), but I'll cry over DCYou for a good while, I think. I'll miss Midnighter's awesome solo comic, and Omega Men, and Grayson...yeah, there'll be new great comics, but overall I really liked the later output of the reboot.

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>>83158161
>rebirth is amazing
>ABC canceling or about to cancel their Marvel shows and paying WB for a DC show
>Geoff taking over the movies
>Marvel cartoons getting cancelled, Justice League cartoon on its way
>Squad apparently testing well
>Marvel imploding with another relaunch and making their last white character into a Nazi

>>83158465
DC will never reclaim that market. They aren't willing to do the scummy things Marvel are. Remember, Marvel makes a ton of money through the collectors market with variant covers, relaunches to get #1 money, constant events that take place in multiple books, etc.

DC gives their writers too much freedom.

>>83162975
MArvel movies are still gonna break bank, anon.

>>83163261
Feige had the foresight to get Perlmutter removed from the movies department

>>83158579
Except New 52 launched with some absolutely amazing books. Wonder Woman, Animal Man, and Swamp Thing are all must-reads

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>>83162438

Got your back, anon. Not sure if its updated though.>>83162438

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>>83163476
Saved. Thanks senpai.

>>83160259
Pretty much. Well, movies and Star Wars.

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God, you poor fools.

I can't wait for a few months in, once you realize you got fed more of the same shit sandwich, and you willingly opened your mouths for it.

>>83163261
>b...but movies tho ;_;

>>83162975

>>ABC canceling or about to cancel their Marvel shows and paying WB for a DC show

>social media crime drama

Good luck with that :)

>>83164560
DC isn't Marvel.

You do realize nobody hated New 52s comics, right? We hated the lack of continuity and changed backstories. That's getting fixed.

>>83164865

>nobody hated new 52 comics

Let's not make crazy statements. They had a lot of good books and they had a LOT of not-so-good books. The beginning was a cluster-fuck.

>>83164846
Good luck with Agent Carter :^)

>>83164924
This.

The New 52 was kinda exactly like pre-Flashpoint, there were great books, ok books and shit books. The big problem people had was the loss of history and continuity.

>>83158433
I'm fine with moody and atmospheric stories, but when people think that's the only way to tell one, through violence and an utterly depressing narrative, is when I think that cape books really need to way of asbestos

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Why would I appreciate DC? Vertigo is a shadow of its former self, and Rebirth seems to be nothing but nostalgia pandering and misunderstanding Watchmen.

>>83165059
Watchmen fucking sucked and DCYou started a trend of bringing Vertigo stuff into the main line.

Vertigo is just DC now. That's the way it always should have been.

>>83159277
kek

>>83158161
Rebirth was the DC I wanted. The one I remembered. You have my attention again, DC. Don't fuck it up.

>>83164924
>>83164865
There was a lot of good shit in the New 52. But the lack of history and relationships weighed everything down. You could do all the good shit (Omega Men, Grayson, Snyder's Batman, etc.) in the old universe without any problems. A good story is a good story. All the bad shit...was usually do to just going too wild and crazy, just because you can.

Where does the meme that DC was ever bad come from? Marveldrones?

>>83167387
But...that's true?

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>>83167531
Apparently at least half of them feature the Batman Family, so it's at least half true
>>83163476
DC comics were just great, until Rebirth reinvigorated them and made them great.

>>83167319
all capeshit sucks. it's just fun watching two groups of retards argue over whose short bus is better

>>83167689
wut

>>83167754
I mean, it's nice that you feel like spreading your ignorant opinions mean anything, I guess?

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>A
>FUCKING
>HYDRA
>AGENT

>>83167782
Exactly.
DC comics were always great, and now Johns is making statements about how this will make them "great again". Just a long line of continued greatness reboot after reboot.

>>83167922
How many reboots has DC had?

>>83159334

Moon Knight is literally the only good Marvel comic right now.

>>83159798
>Marvel wins because people hate their comics more

Brevoort pls

>>83168101
None, it's been a seamless 70 years of being the #1 selling comics on the planet, each of impeccable quality.

Hail Hydra.

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>>83168221
That's why it's the #1 selling title, duh.

>>83168656
but that's true.

Stood by DC when my friend bailed after ndcu and wally west getting shitted on. I love rebirth. I'm bummed Rayner seems to be given then ndcu wally west treatment but man its a great time to be a DC fan.

>tell people you like comics
>they ask which ones
>say DC titles
>looked at like I'm an idiot and told marvel is better

Im so excited and scared they are going to fuck this up royally. Said buddy might be coming back to DC.

>>83161073

Corporations like Disney pay to get things trending on twitter and facebook.

>>83168656
>MCUck having a mental breakdown

Rebirth really pulled me back after all the hit and miss the New52 was. I thought the watchman stuff was stupid when the leak happened, but I'm exited after reading the one-shot.

>>83168883
Why the fuck would anybody like Marvel?

That's like saying your favorite movies are Transformers or... Well, Marvel movies.

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>>83168656

>>83168943
Exactly.
People clearly enjoy DC movies more, there's just this conspiracy between the theater chains and Disney that causes a certain percentage of the box office receipts to be "mistakenly" assigned to the wrong film.

And of course all critics are paid hirelings of Disney as well.

>>83168966
I remember when I cried to Flash dying in that, too.
So many deaths, so many good cries.

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>>83168966
>Changed the course of comics history

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>>83168695

Is it really?

Me
>reads first page
>"This tale takes place after Justice League #50 and Superman #52, so read those first!"
>Have only read The New 52 Batman #48-52.
>fuck

>>83169310
They also think more money = better

>>83168943
>muh diversity
>muh their heroes are more believable and relatable
>muh they have better movies
>muh batman is the only good DC character

Those are usually the responses I get.

>>83169460
I usually read my comics in marvel first, ordered from new or what I like least to best, then DC. I broke that to read superman 52, and justice league 50 just to get to rebirth.

I can't be the only one bummed about ndcu supes and his death being so anti climatic. Superman Unchained and jeans and shit sold me on him.

>>83169575
>I usually read my comics in marvel first
What do you mean by this?

Keep in mind how good the sale from new 52 was when it first started. Rebirth is a fucking atom bomb.

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>>83168966
>Changed the course of comics history

Thank you, DC. Multiversity made this year great. I'll never stop reading.

Who am I kidding I'll never stop watching Arrow either.

>>83169506
>muh their heroes are more believable and relatable
what's relatable about any of their new "Diverse and Politically Correct" characters?

They're literal vehicles that have no actual weight on anything.

>>83158161

Just to clarify, there was no in-comic confirmation of Dr Manhattan being responsible for anything, right? Just vague hints (that I'm guessing have been confirmed in interviews)

>>83169621
On my phone. Meant to say a specific order.

>>8316970
Because the stories are set in real cities. The heroes are more "human". It is trash. I usually stop talking comics with them at that point.

>Anon: Before Watchmen? That's so stupid. What's the point of-

Johns: Whispers todays events in ear

How do you react, /co/?

>>83169722
The last page is literally a conversation between Dr Manhattan and Ozymandias

>>83169787
I slap that cereal swilling bitch.

>>83169787
I could start a million threads and nobody would believe me. I'd be the psycho pirate of /co/

>>83158161
I feel like that this event will be cool, but ultimately they're just gonna do a ohey stupid crossover event in a year afterwords.

The market is shrinking too fast for them to NOT take every upswing in readership they can get, no matter how short-lived.

>>83169820
Right, but nothing within the comic actually confirms that Dr Manhattan is the big bad Wally was talking about. Like if I read this with no context from the Internet / interviews, I might just as well have though that it's just a huge teaser for Dr Manhattan coming back to Earth to fight against some big bad.

Wally being the MC of it was a great surprise.
Also made me cry like a bitch nigga.

>>83169770
>Because the stories are set in real cities. The heroes are more "human". It is trash. I usually stop talking comics with them at that point.

It is. Yes I can enjoy the MCU movies because they're like junk food. But once DC finds a way to finally serve us an actual story from their mythos (not some stupid jizz-story by Snyder), I'd reckon people will get a kick out of it too.

>>83169722
Closest you got was the location on Mars where Manhattan fucked off to at the end of the watchmen and the watch reassembling itself.

Oh and the blue explosions of Pandora and owl man

The sad thing is that Marvel will still sell better. That's not sad because it's Marvel though, it's sad because it has nothing to do with storytelling. They are now in a cycle where a book that isn't double shipping gets 6 - 8 issues before interrupted by an event that will last for months and then another line wide reboot. In the meantime they have obscene requirements for variants pushing up the order numbers from stores. Who knows maybe the returns from Marvel "Now" will see even further diminishing returns and DC will bring people back with good stories

>>83158327
I think that sometimes being dark and edgy can work, but with as much despair, you will need hope eventually.

>>83169506
Mavel is really good at fooling people with memes and making them believe outright lies.

So what's the deal with the Supermen now

>>83169977
New 52 one is dead. Pre flashpoint is back. Kinda like time remnant shit.

>the villain for Big Event #15 is from a nearly 30 year old comic book
>and the event is about restoring the status quo no less
Was Moore right? Are mainstream comics devoid of creativity?

>>83169977
More yo be explained. Right now we have pre ndcu supes returning as the one true superman. Lex is the new man of Steel, waiting to find out about ndcu Lois and Lana as they were both hit by Supes energy dissipation when he died. Then there is the China superman. Exciting times.

>>83170037
Is the Nu52 one coming back? Also why is the pre-flashpoint supes back

>>83165059

"Vertigo" is coming back as Young Animal

>>83170080
Not sure why pre ndcu is superman yet. It was revealed recently him and Lois were living on the ndcu earth the whole time.

>>83170080
Oh idk i didn't read Lois and Clark. But I think it's established that pre-flashpoint earth still exists.

>>83169890
>DC finds a way to finally serve us an actual story from their mythos
This. All the DC films from the last ten years, have nothing to do with the actual storytelling style of DC's comics, you may say that the Nolan Trilogy was successful, but all it was is an affirmation of what Johns is talking about. This is the reason why they wrote MoS that way, to keep in step with the tone that The Dark Knight did. As a result, like the Nu52, the DCEU is also devoid of Love, and Hope.

>>83158249
Justice League 50 had craggy faced Darkseid baby, that shit is amazing.

>>83158327
There's nothing wrong with dark and grim, the probably is the vast vast majority of DC's output has been extremely gritty. Granted there's the occasional exception like Gotham Academy, but it's far and few between./

>>83170157
I liked the "ALL OF THE DICKS" scene from Grayson.

>>83170080
He escaped from the flashpoint timeline alteration due to the events from Convergence.

They're also pushing now the idea that the New52 world is just the Pre-Flashpoint world modified by an outside entity, so I don't think New52 Superman will return, at least not as the main Superman, since Pre-Flashpoint Superman is the actual Superman of the main Earth.

Rebirth mentions that neither Superman are what they thought they were. Pre-Flashpoint Superman doesn't realize that he's in his own world, rather than a visitor from a dead universe, but New52's Superman true identity isn't clear at this point.

And New52 Superman

>>83163476
Why is there little to no advertisement for the june 1st rebirth one shots? Are those recap books?

>>83168101

Reboots? Like actually universe changing reboots? 1. I'm starting to think people are dumb and can't read if they think Rebirth is a reboot

>>83163261
Films are the only good thing to come from post-Disney marvel. Too bad everything else has to suffer because of them.

>>83169935
>DC will bring people back with good stories

That hasn't worked for thirty years.
Why the hell would that change now?
Fact is, people want to read what they want to read, and most people want to read stuff that already makes them comfortable (characters they already know about, basically) rather then try new things because new is hard and scary and most people don't want entertaining themselves to be even the smallest bit more difficult then it absolutely has to be.
I mean how many annoying fanboys in this very thread would never touch Marvel-anything in a million years despite the "intense rivalry" between them being largely artificial and mostly a result of Joe Quesada shitting the bed between both of them and stopping the semi-common cross-company crossovers and frequent jumping between company to company writers and artists did back in the day?
How many will immediately say 'MAHVEL SHILL" just because I read both and don't choose and arbitrary side like a nine year old playing with GI Joe or Cobra toys in the playground in kindergarten?

Most people are content with what they already know and Marvel has been better known for some time now in the comics industry itself (at least since the 90's), so that's what people know and go for.

>>83170155
>with the actual storytelling style of DC's comics
Do they have a style? Hellblazer, The Dark Knight Returns and All-Star Superman all had different tones and styles.

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>>83170206
the only way he would return is if he is actually another Superman that used to exist on Pre-Flashpoint.

could be pic related.

This was a really good week!

>>83170294
>Why the hell would that change now?

Marvels crashing the market. Slowly but surely

>>83170340

What else is good this week?

>>83170312
what I want is their style, not what Warner Bros. wants them to do.

>>83169196
>>83169674
>they don't read comics

wew

>>83170294
>I mean how many annoying fanboys in this very thread would never touch Marvel-anything in a million years

My not touching anything Marvel anymore has nothing to do with DC. I think their business practices are toxic and I won't be their bitch

>>83170275
Fucking agreed.
Disney is now aware that no matter what they do the comics market is going to shrink, so they've just seemed to say
>"Fuck it, literally do anything you think will boost sales even temporarily so we don't have to carry you TOO much so we can farm your dumb ass for IP's."
Though WB's "Funding Gladiators" style of subsidiary management means that all the divisions of WB suck dick at doing anything 100% right they at least don't leash their subsidiaries quite as tightly.

Goddamn what a simpler world this would be if Marvel and DC just owned themselves again.
Of course then we'd probably never get good movies again either, but there you go.

>>83170371
But do they even have a style? I wouldn't call Dial H and Actions Comics similar stylistically.

>>83170358

Omega Men 12, Grayson 20

>>83170062
Moore was never right.

>>83170313
What if he is Superboy Prime actually?

>>83170389
>My not touching anything Marvel anymore has nothing to do with DC. I think their business practices are toxic and I won't be their bitch
This.

Like I said, I like to watch MCU movies, but their comic work seems to pander rather than to tell stories.

>>83158161
I got two friends to read Rebirth, and now those two friends are going to be buying books alongside me.

Johns, you did it, you absolute madman.

Rebirth is also the reason those two friends are actually interested in Watchmen. Niggas haven't even heard of the book until I told them about it. Watchmen isn't "sacred" if it isn't relevant anymore. But now it will be.

God I hope my LCS doesn't sell out tomorrow.

>>83170452
This. I stopped reading when Havok made that mutant and proud speech.

>>83170342
The market was crashing on it's own.
Monthly comic books do just not make the money back that they used to.
Honestly if the market crashes then DCD might go out of business and then DC and Marvel can finally make sustainable business models for comics that aren't made at a tremendous financial loss on a per-issue basis like they are now, so there's that possibility I guess.
>>83170389
Yeah I know.
But there's still a lot of shitbirds that attack someone just for defending older Marvel stories or Marvel films they enjoyed because somehow the idea of someone liking more then one thing triggers their autism harder then Joe Chill triggered Bruce Wayne's parents.

>>83170226
That's what I was getting at. Marvel fans keep pushing it that DC reboots every year or some shit, even though that's patently false.

>>83160136
There are two Wally Wests, nigga. The Wally you want is going to be headlining Titans, and likely in Flash as well. The other one is in Flash and Teen Titans.

>>83170474
Before Watchmen was a brilliant move in hindsight.

>>83170530
>the idea of someone liking more then one thing triggers their autism harder then Joe Chill triggered Bruce Wayne's parents.
Top fucking Kek.

>>83170294
This false equivalency has to stop. Marvel has objectively bad comics. It is not our responsibility to reward them for their shit.

If they toy around with Roarsach/TheQuestion a little, would we be ok with this? Like Vic Sage is the earth whatever roarsach?

>>83170642

Vision is literally the only good book they have. Marvel doesn't give a fuck about their comics but when they saw they had something accidentally fall into their laps that was solid gold they tried to push Vision as hard as they could.

I'm so glad King is exclusive to DC. Current Marvel really would be a complete waste of his talent

>>83170642
>objectively
fuck off back to /v/ and stay there

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>>83170642
>objectively
I realize this is the circlejerk thread, but come the fuck on.

>>83170721
no, really. Marvel has lately done more pandering than actual character or world building. Look at how easy they spat on Steve Roger's legacy just for Social Media trending.

>>83170640
Thanks, I've been waiting to use that for awhile.
>>83170642
I love how I only needed to wait until the time I finished shaving to have my point be proven.
I won't argue Marvel has made bad comic NOW because yes, they definitely have and it's hard for me to watch.

But I'll argue plenty that for years Marvel and DC were about equal in the amount of good stuff and the amount of shit they had, and that it only really started to shift far worse for Marvel about 6 or 7 years ago, and even THEN a lot of the nu52 was garbage and you damn well know it otherwise you wouldn't be so fucking excited over Rebirth like I am.

>>83170710

No. In the future I wouldn't mind a story about the Question and Rorschach going after the same guy but with Vic trying to stop him from killing the guy.

>>83170774
>won't argue Marvel has made bad comic NOW because yes, they definitely have and it's hard for me to watch.

I'd argue that the guy you're responding to is talking about current Marvel

>>83170715
Honestly, Vision's great but it's also not really a Vision story at all since it basically ignores all the character and personality and development he's had over the years.
It's more like it's a great comic that happens to be published by Marvel; it doesn't really rely on anything about the character or his history to tell a story at all.

>>83170842
If he is, then yes, fair enough.
It honestly hurts to see how bad it's gotten because I love so many characters from both companies.

Thing is, I'm worried after Rebirth despite the restoration of the old DCU that there's going to be more "meh" then good at DC, only now it will be "meh" with continuity.

>>83170715
People like Moon Night too, I guess? It's obviously a movie pitch though. It'd be mid tier at DC but it's top tier for The House of Bad Ideas

>>83170774
actually, what's bad with Marvel is going to eventually affect everything. I mean just look how bad they've pandered:
>Female Thor
>Black Spiderman
and now Nazi Symphatizer Steve Rogers.
>Korean Hulk
>Genderbent deadpool

All of them don't even have a rich backstory, and to make matters worse, this recent reveal about Cap is so sickening.

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>>83163476
>tfw amanda conner and jimmy palmiotti are still in charge of Harley Quinn
just

>>83170947
On the other hand, Bi Tim Drake would actually make so much sense

>>83170947
at least when DC does this, they usually make the Legacy characters be their mentors.

But really? Jane Foster is Thor because muh cancer?

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Methinks DC and Marvel are currently producing the same amount of quality they always have, as far as I can tell. Of course, this isn't enough for /co/ to shitpost about so hyperbole is the way to go.

And it's not like I read all that much non-imprint Big Two, so I don't give a fuck either way.

>>83170932

I hope people like all 6 issues of it

So when is that one guy going to start making threads with Gordon asking Bats to rape all three Jokers at the same time?

>>83170947
This. Marvel doesn't have a clue publication wise. They don't even have x-men or fantastic four anymore.

>>83170984

>Just...make money for DC because most people genuinely like her that way

This isn't Marvel, they aren't making her that way just to piss you off. It's an unfortunate side effect

>>83170947
>Black Spiderman
Anon it's been five years, let it go.

>>83170932
>It's obviously a movie pitch though

Fucking this. This new run of moon knight is so by the numbers by the time we eventually hear the "Wants you to see him coming" line in live action I'll roll my eyes.

>>83170774
But that's false. DC has a history of comics that are must read genre defining titles, like all the Vertigo books or TDKR. Marvel has tripe like Civil War or Secret Wars. Sorry, but there is flat out no comparing the two.

>B...but New 52...
You obviously don't read DC because you don't understand what people's issues with N52 were. The books weren't bad, it was the loss of history and weird reimaginings that pissed people off.

But keep fucking trying, Mouseketeer. I'm sure eventually your desperate ramblings will hit on something.

>>83171069
It's not "white priveledges", but can't we have an actual Superhero/heroine that does not need to trample on another's Legacy?

>>83170932
*Moon Knight

>>83171062
Just because "most" people like it doesn't meant it's good, anon. Remember all the uprising and butthurt for the cover with the Joker and batgirl? normies want to see politically correct shit in their comics and empower their female characters no matter what. The Harley Quinn comics are nothing but pandering, nonsensical trash.

>>83171032
Maremvel is definitely producing the same amount of quality comics they have since Kirby left.

Which is none.

>>83171137
This. The new Secret Wars was ridiculous yet somehow it was on news sites.

>>83171137
Not even a company war faggot, but Marvel has Lee/Kirby Fantastic Four and Lee/Ditko Spider-Man, both of which are highly influential to cape comics. We could talk about some of the obscure stuff they have that's really good, but shitposting is easier so w/e.

>>83171165
Trampling how?

>>83171195
Just like Gwenpool. What the fuck do you expect us to do about it? We can't counteract sales to normies.

>>83171195
Squirrel girl and spidergwen/gwenpool is infinitely worse.

>>83171270
Miles exists solely as a Politically-Correct, Racially-Correct Spiderman. There is no reason, except for those two things that Peter should pass his mantle down to him.

>>83171137
To be fair, a good chunk of New 52 books were crap.

>>83171256
Early Marvel has lots of good stuff. But let's face, they haven't put out much that is very good since before the 90's.

>>83170947
Marvel is shooting themselves in the foot with this SJW crap. Imagine if a casual fan of marvel movies decided to get into comics. They'll be so fucking confused.

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>>83171305
I'm not expecting anything my dear man. I'm just letting you all know how rustled my jimmies are.

>>83171367
They have though. You might not like it, but the good stuff is definitely there.

>>83171333
Being black =/= Politically-Correct. Other people besides whites can get superpowers. Move on.

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Marvel stopped being relevant the moment they decided Fantastic Four didn't exist anymore.

Oh yeah I forgot this years run of Suicide Squad has been good too. The hits keep coming.

>>83171420
But...they haven't. You just have ridiculously low standards.

>>83171333
Isn't Miles a guy from the ghetto trying to rise above his origins though?

>>83171468
And the "IT WAS ME" reveal was the final nail in their creative coffin.

>>83171256
>but Marvel has Lee/Kirby Fantastic Four and Lee/Ditko Spider-Man,

And nobody has that on their bookshelf while every comic fan has Watchmen and TDKR

>>83171468
and they're going to Get Rid of the X-Men too. Which is when people realize that they've created a monster.

Enjoy Marvel killing off Fantastic 4 and X-Men because MUH FOX.

>>83171482
>New X-Men
>X-Factor
>X-Statix
>Punisher MAX (both Aaron and Ennis)
>Rucka's Punisher
>Ellis's Moon Knight
>My War Gone By
That's just off the top of my head, I could come with a lot more if given some time to think. I realize it's all gonna be called shit,and I'm wasting my time doing this, but never let it be said I didn't try.

>>83171472

This is a perfect time to tell you that Ostrander has another Suicide book coming out

>>83171592
>punisher
>good
So how is life at the ripe old age of 14?

>>83171596
He's getting a new run?

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>>83171552
>it's not the most popular ever, so it's not good
Most people don't know what the fuck Birth of a Nation is, let alone own it. Doesn't stop it from being highly influential and revolutionary.

>>83171592
Lose the fucking edge, kid.

>>83171646
No, a special

>>83171708
Source?

>>83171636
>this is still a meme
eat dick

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>>83171636
>>83171680
Did I not just fucking say it was all gonna get called shit? Regardless, I can see my bipartisan approach to comics is lost here, so I'll just leave.

>>83171592
Holy shit, people like the Punisher?

It's fucking mind boggling how the captain america thing is trending more than Rebirth.

>>83171886
Enjoy Squirrel girl, on shelves today!

>>83171751

http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2016/05/16/suicide-squad-dominates-august-2016

>>83171894
>dude with no rea powes uses guns to kill bad people

Holy shit, people like the Red Hood?

>>83171137
It's a comic book.
Not a Bible chapter. Grow the fuck up.
I've known conservative religious Evangelicals more open about homosexuality then you are about comics, and that my friend is the saddest thing in the world since their religion actually matters to them in their lives in a way other then "I like these stories more".

>>83171938
No? Nobody likes Jason Todd.

Although it's pretty funny that you compare Punisher to one of the most hated DC characters.

>>83170155
You know, just because he wrote that in rebirth doesn't make it true, New Guardians had plenty of Love and Hope. so did other titles probably. just because he didn't write any in his own justice league doesn't mean the whole n52.

>>83160020
It's mostly the gay thing. Also people are hating the hydra thing.

>>83167387
xfag here

since new 52, what Marvel runs are as good as Soule's Swamp Thing or Azzarello's Wonder Woman to give you a couple of examples?
Is it even possible to write a comic in Marvel right now without having it be interrupted by events once or twice per year, or relaunches with new number 1s?

DC produces more full runs worth reading and collecting, even stuff like Secret Six than ended today, or Sinestro that ended last week.

I do like Ultimates, The Visions, Uncanny Avengers and Uncanny X-Men.

>>83172057
Hate to break it to you NEET but Red hood is pretty well received. People hated the original Bc it was exactly like Dick Grayson's backstory. Shit, Red Hood Red Arrow is even pretty good

>>83172060
I'm pointing towards the DCEU rather than the nu52 though, because I can accept that there are good, hope-ridden stories on n52. but the DCEU needs to stop being that edgy, dark and brooding world.

>>83172164
It really isn't.

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>>83172133
I really wish I could point you to an interrupted one, but interrupted runs appear to be the norm these days. Hell, even Grayson at DC had to have a rushed ending because of Rebirth.
Try Christ Yost's Scarlet Spider, it's got a main character that's extremely entertaining (a clone of Spider-Man that wishes so hard he was an edgy badass 90's antihero but is forced to do corny shit all the time) and likeable side characters.

Oh!
And Mark Wait's Daredevil run, which is light-hearted and humorous despite the traditionally brooding nature of the character he's writing, in addition to actually having something of an 'ending' to the run that's a natural stopping point.

>>83164560
>I can recognize my college campus in that pic just from the fucking stairs
Time to graduate.

>>83169683
>I'll never stop watching Arrow either.
how much do you love Felicity

>>83171552
End yourself

>>83169787
The guy who runs my LCS is laughing over how much bank he's making from the Before Watchmen issues that he had at two dollars the day before.
my pulled copy of Lois and Clark leapt up to twenty dollars instantly though, so that's good.

>>83172943

>I can't handle the truth

>>83172954

What did he mark them up to?

>>83171552
i only own Watchmen

>>83158161
Devin fucking Faraci liked it.

>>83159123
>That Kamandi collaborative thing;

shit I forgot all about this

>>83173088

Well, it was good

>>83158327
It depends on how it's written.

Hawk and Dove garbage

Omega Men masterpiece

>>83158413
You are on a Blue Board

>>83173055
I think something ungodly like fifty Canada funbucks, even more Dr. Manhattan and Minutemen, because Cooke.

He's a nice guy, but the pleasure he was getting out of this can only be described as "evil."

>>83159922
It's really nothing new. They did the same thing leading into Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis.

>>83171137
>Comparing event comics to runs

I know this is the official DC circlejerk but come on. Also, Miller's Daredevil >>>> all his Batman work

>>83173234
>I think something ungodly like fifty Canada funbucks

Shrwed as fuck. To be fair to the bloke though it's rare for a comic shop to be able to make that much off back issues that wouldn't move otherwise so I can't blame him

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>>83159123
i love how you omit anything TV related on this list
>tfw Arrow fan

>>83173330

Yeah Marvel had great runs. Shame that with their current system nobody will ever have a run past 12 issues again

>>83171886
>Expecting nuance in a DC hugbox

>>83172057
Really cause he has an animated movie, a video game, a comic that basically ran 5 years, and there is probably a decent chance he's getting a live action movie.

Arguably he's the most popular Batman character re-created in the past 16 years.

>>83173394
Ewing's Mighty Avengers run went like 20+ issues counting a relaunch in between and it's probably my favorite run since Journey into Mystery. But yeah runs dont look as impressive when there's constant relaunches.

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>>83173487
>counting a relaunch in between

>>83173330
On his Batman shit he was allowed to do whatever.
Unlike some writers Miller requires an editor to keep his bullshit under control.

>>83171636
>>83171680
Those are all pretty good.

You should give Ennis Punisher a shot if that's what makes your panties knot. It's actually pretty great

>>83173562
if the new #1 picks up exactly where the previous #12 left off, and has the same creative team, it doesn't count as a relaunch it's just 'season 2'

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Is Billy and the Marvel family getting their own run?

>>83170851
>since it basically ignores all the character and personality and development he's had over the years.

That's because they did the entire "Wanda, beep-boop, I'm going to reset my system again in order to get from point a to point b so that my ongoing book can take place" in one of those point one one-shots issues that Marvel releases with little fanfare that have important plot points like that.

>>83173330
Yeah, because Miller actually thinks Punisher is right. Miller is a literal lunatic and shouldn't have ever been allowed to write comics.

>>83158161
That logo looks shit against a black background

>>83163337
>Wonder women 2011-2106 #1
>Good
It was a fucking mess

Also it feels weird to say 2011-2016 it really drove home the point to me that the new 52 is over.

That said maybe it got better after the first issue

>>83170474
We all thought they were using watchmen to sell rebirth but there using rebirth to sell watchmen and Im surprisingly ok with that.

Pretty much the only problems I have with rebirth are opposing It on principle because it's more dc trying to explain retcons in universe that they have been doing for decades and I dident like the way they handled Linda I'm going to write up a proper summery of my problems with Linda later.

>>83174746
Oh and the Watchmen shit I forgot about that I apose that to but Linda is the big one

>>83174632
lol no

I should be super mad at DC right now. They did the one thing I never wanted them to do, but now they did it and all I'm wondering is what's gonna happen in the next issue.

>>83173805
I suppose so

>>83159539
What a sissy faggot!
Same.

>>83174746
Eliminating the Linda link while confusing to make Barry super special as usual made me kinda butthurt.

>>83171371
And I was.

t. comics newfag who only started collecting a week and a half ago

>>83159244
Now if only we could get this version of the Rogues back.

bought my first comic book in five years today, I'll totally supporting rebirth going forward.

Now all I need are new Legion and Zatanna books and I'll be happy.

>>83175422
I almost think it's good they did it because the speed force grounding stuff has always been romantic (the only other parental thing I can think of is Wally's tether to his kids but it behaved differently than the lightning rod thing) and that doesn't really seem right. Love is not only that.

And I doubt you make that big of a deal about Linda if they're not getting together eventually so it didn't seem to be too cruel to read.

>>83175620

>Zatanna

Hey now that's a point that nobody is talking about from Rebirth. What the fuck is Constantine up to? He's talked Swamp Thing into helping him take down the capes but why?

I'm reading reviews and I'm coming across stuff that just boggles my mind so much that I'm seriously thinking that is double think at work. Look at this

>The DC Universe has been a mess for years now. Back in 2011, the House of Superman executed yet another reboot that wallpapered over its decades-long continuity

So what is it, constant reboots or decades long continuity?

>>83175812
That just sounds like theyre equating Flashpoint with COIE both being reboots that delete decades long continuity.

>>83175866

It's "Yet" that's giving off the vibe that it's happened more than twice

>>83170485
Man I hope you have a big store because mine was about sold out and my owner thought that he bought too many when he made the order for them. If I were you I would try to go to your store when it opens.

>>83175920
There are times you count count that technically weren't reboots. Like how the Kelly to Johns transition wasn't exactly smooth and we did get a new origin out of it. But no reasonable person considers a creative team change and an origin retelling to be a reboot when past events are still canon.

>>83175866
>>83175812

I'll never understand why people don't take a look at DC's actual continuity before running their mouth.

COIE changed some stuff but not everything, same as Flashpoint. Rebirth is just unchanging some of the stuff Flashpoint did. Most characters have never changed, technically. Just their timelines.

Marvel does the same shit but on an individual basis, like with Magneto.

>>83176003
You think they'll reorder more?

>>83176060
Magneto? He's only been retconned not really rebooted.

The closest thing marvel has to DCs reboots is OMD but that only applied to spidey of course.

>>83176149
Except like I said, most people WEREN'T rebooted. They got in-continuity retcons. Case in point, Firestorm and Killer Frost are still the same before and after COIE. Batman Inc. still continues through Flashpoint.

>>83176149

And it's worse than anything DC ever did. My favorite part, my absolute favorite part about OMD nobody ever brings up is how horrified Aunt May would be if she knew what Peter had done

>>83176149
Not true, Marvel just did a major multiverse-wide retcon in SecretWars3, as far as I know a first for them.
Of course they do timetravel shenanigans in individual books and crossovers all the ... time.
Then there's those subtle "hope nobody notices" misremembering retcons like how Hydra originally had a completely different origin but then there was a revealed secret history of ____ story.
Then there's going back and taking past irrelevant gibberish from long ago comics and using that to validate a retcon move they pull out of a hat today: like Iceman being gay when before he just had loads of really gay-sounding dialog.
Magneto's been retconned several times, more than once to make him younger during his origin's historical link, and once to absolve him of all his cartoonish supervilliany of the early issues (with an insanity defense).

>>83169264
Not even close.

>>83175630
>And I doubt you make that big of a deal about Linda if they're not getting together eventually so it didn't seem to be too cruel to read.
True
Shame they dident deage him even more
ara ara

>>83176099
I'm sure that they will because this book has a lot of hype but it wouldn't hurt to ask the owners.

>>83176358
Magneto still has an origin with a historical link he's just been deaged in the comics multiple times that's different from a retcon.

The secret wars reboot didn't change much of anything. While Flashpoint took 10 years, the marvel one took a few months from the timeline.

>>83176327
At least Peters dumbass decision didn't fuck the history of all his friends and the wider Marvel universe like Flashpoint did.

>>83176496

The difference is it was accidental.

>>83158568
>Please tell us all how you cried when Barry and Wally hugged each other.
i never read a flash comic before and that was a well driven wonderful moment.
rebirth might be the first comic i read at the time of being published, so GG for DC

>>83176552
Yes but the accidental one had more far reaching negative consequences.