Wtf?

>>83152799
>Are they that desperate for ideas?
New to comics?

Comics have been dead for about 10 years now, anon. Don't pay attention to this new shit.

>>83152854
What about Lemire's Moon Knight? Or King's based Vision,Omega-Men and Grayson?

>>83152854
>Comics have been dead for about 30 years now, anon
Fixed.

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>>83152854
I understand that. But this still upsets me.

>>83152799
It would be funny if kamala was always kkk

>still reading Big Two comics
Do you like getting fucked in the ass with no lube?

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>>83152799
ENOUGH WITH THE GIMMICKS MARVEL

>>83152799
Remember when Marvel said they'd admit they're out of ideas if they ever had 616 and Ultimate crossover

I like it

it's interesting

>>83153000
What's there to be upset about? Super-villain with telepathy powers fucks with super-hero to make them think they're evil. This is a pretty standard cape comic plot.

>House of ideas

Some context plz?

>>83152799
>How am I supposed to feel about this?
Ahh, the average /co/ anon. Needing someone to tell them how to feel about a single image from a comic book.

> 83153620
Steve Rogers has been part of hydra all along

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>>83152799
>western """""""""""""""""""comics""""""""""""""""""""

>>83152799
Welcome to Marvel post 1995

>>83153620
Red Skull used Xavier's powers to implant some false memories into Cap of him and his mother being indoctrinated into HYDRA back in the 20s, making Steve think he's a HYDRA sleeper agent.

>>83152799
>Are they that desperate for ideas?
They literally just announced a new rebranding thats a reuse of an old one.

>>83152799

Actual the concept of "all-america superhero was a nazi plant all along" is a pretty interesting idea. It's just a shame that it contradicts all previous characterization for Steve and will almost assuredly be revealed to be a mind control situation.

Would have worked better as an original story.

>>83152799
wait a few months for the Mind Control lolXavier's brain powers lol false memories reveal

>>83154023
I get the intention behind this, but a lot of that is outdated or just lies to begin with.

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>>83154023
JUST

>>83154079
You aren't making money with the comics, happy merchant. They're PR at best

This is gunna be some other secret agent man while the real Steve is chained up

>>83154207
>I get the intention behind this
No shit, are you some kind of genius?

>>83154023
>dcucks will insist only Marvel is guilty

>>83152799
Death of Superman was written in 1992

We just came off a plot about false memories, written by Spencer

This isn't new or different

>>83154241
Read the issue. It's clear that Red Skull interfered with Steve's memories. The red parts are false.

>>83152799
IT'S A PRANK, BRO
Honestly it might aswell be.

>>83154258
I know its obvious, but theres enough 'sjw' stuff in comics you dont really need to make untrue claims such as Rescue replacing Iron Man.

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>>83154207
What there is a lie?

As far as I know, all of those things happened at one point or another. Maybe misleading, some of those characters weren't REPLACED, just the race-swap/progressive agenda version was put in another universe, but the point here stands.

>>83152799
Want you to keep buying it before they reveal it was all a ruse.

>>83154370
It's beside the point, the point is that western comics shove blatant political propaganda on their pages. And it erodes any potential quality and creativity these artists can produce.

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HORY SHET!
THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED!
NEVER BEFORE HAS ANYONE IMPERSONATED CAPTAIN AMERICA!
ESPECIALLY NOT HYDRA!
HOW COULD SUCH A THING HAVE HAPPENED?!?!

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>>83154477
According to the writers it's actually Cap, not a clone, not a duplicate, and not mind control.

My bet's on him being written new memories.

>>83154381
>As far as I know
Maybe actually read the comics instead of just believing every meme-spewing faggot you come across on /co/.

>>83154520
>According to the writers
Yeah, because writers never lie, amirite?
Remember when they said SpOck was permanent and there would be a whole generation of kids who grew up reading Otto as Spider-Man?

Also "false memories" isn't exactly the same thing as "mind control" so there's that. It's also possible that the false memories didn't actually sway him and he's just playing along so he can be all SURPRISE, MOTHERFUCKER, FREEDOM PREVAILS!" later on, which would mean it's "actually cap...and not mind control" so...

>>83154477
It's not an impersonator. Red Skull just implanted some fake memories into Steve.

Were the false memories of him being brainwashed?
Or were they supposed to just make him think he was acting all this time?

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>>83154637
>makes claim
>provides no evidence

Into the trash

>>83152854
Marvel isn't all comics.

>>83154943
True, they're half of them, the other half is DC.

There are no other comics, no sir.

How did Red Skull get Xavier's body

I just read uncanny avangers 1 which I assumed would tell me but it didn't

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>>83152799

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>>83155174

>>83152799
It's actually surprising that they haven't done an arc where Capt was brainwashed into being a Hydra agent. Or have they just not at this length?

>EW: Issue 1 lays the groundwork for the reveal with flashbacks to Steve’s childhood and his first contact with an operative of Hydra. Does this mean it’s been this way his whole life?

>Spencer: Issue 2 will lay a lot of our cards on the table in terms of what the new status quo is, but the one thing we can say unequivocally is: This is not a clone, not an imposter, not mind control, not someone else acting through Steve. This really is Steve Rogers, Captain America himself.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/25/captain-america-villain-hydra-nick-spencer-tom-brevoort

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>>83155233
They didn't do it this gently.

>>83155245
So this is not brainwashing, it's for real? fuck

>>83155320
Then it's reality manipulation, false memory implantation, or dementia. Get with it, nerd.

>>83155272
Kek

>>83154728
False memories to make himself think he's been a HYDRA sleeper agent this whole time.

>>83155320
He didn't say that. He just said there's no mind control. Changing memories, like the comic seems to heavily suggest, is technically not mind control.

How do people constantly fall for this shit ? It's not even like this stuff is spread out enough that's a new generation of people getting upset either

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>in lcs
>Worked all morning and so didn't read any spoilers
>Getting some of the new shit
>Was kinda hyped for steve coming back
>See price and skip because payday is tomorrow
>Come home this
Best 6 bucks i ever saved. Glad I got the new darkwing duck instead.

>>83154381
>Black Adam turns into Noh-Varr?
>Some new inhumans appearing didn't make the old ones disappear
>Instead of Kamala under Carol it should be Cpt.Tumblr
>Ironman hasn't gone anywhere.That's Pepper wearing the Rescue suit
>That's a completely different Nova from Richard
>Different Earth Superman is black and Ithink black kryptonians have existed before
There is surely some true bullshit here, but there are cherrypicks and lies too. It really seems like it was made by someone who hasn't read the comics he took those images from.

>>83155245
Man it sucks that once a writer decides something is true an editor can never change it later anyway.

>>83152799

>Are they that desperate for ideas?
Have you not kept up with comics for the last 5-6 years?

It was either this or turning him gay/trans.

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>>83152799
Guess no one told Nick Spencer this had already been done.

>>83152799

Are you new to comics? I swear it's always the people with 1 year or less into this hobby the ones that get upset the most at every run's gimmick.

>>83155748
Yeah but Secret Warriors/Secret Avengers sucked.

>>83155748
And Hydra had stopped appearing after that, until we got the movies.

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>>83155776
But this Spencer run is gonna be THE definitive Cap run, right?

>>83154023
>using an image of WW that appeared for like one story
>implying Johns would ever let Hal lose the spotlight
>implying That guy at all replaced pre-crisis Supes
>implying Alfred having a niece means she replaced him
>implying fucking Lobdell's Starfire was better than Palmiotti's

That's not to mention all the stuff in that list that was explicitly and obviously temporary.

>>83155748
Spencer has made multiple references to Secret Warriors. Even made one as recently as... last issue.

>>83154520

Do you have a link to them saying this isn't mind control? Because I really want to have it on record when they renege on that statement.

>>83155765
I'm more upset about the having multiple "new" runs of the same series each year. And they have left open multiple plots in the last 3 Cap runs.

>>83154023
This will be a huge joke in another 10 years.
All the people who did this will look back and cringe the same way people look at over-the-top 90's violence in comics.
It's just a trend.

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>>83155842

Well, the definitive Captain Hyrda run at least.

Oh wait, Remender beat him to it.

>>83155918
I'm sure that will be a sick burn

>>83155939

Which plots? The plots have ultimately been related to HYDRA, and if there's one thing I give to Spencer is that he doesn't leave plot points hanging. He has been saying that HYDRA infiltrated the Avengers since ages ago, and voila, Cap is the mole. It makes sense too, since Red Skull meddled with Cap brain since the first Uncanny Avengers numbers, like 4 years ago.

>>83156132

Well everything relating to the Zolas (Jet Black and Ian) was just completely dropped.

>>83152799
>If you don't support open borders, immigration reform, and have a problem with a massive influx of people who refuse to integrate into the culture, demanding the preexisting culture bend to theirs, you are literally a skullfaced super nazi
>Oh and the guy who fought the nazis and punched Hitler and made all those great rallying speeches was secretly also a nazi the whole time
It seems Axis Shift never ended because Hydra are now the good guys.

>>83156132
Wasn't the plot where the secret council appears older than Axis?

So whitey was the villain all along... really makes you think.

>>83156168

Well, Jet is on limbo. Ian is with Cap, isn't he?

What if Cap's like ironically HYDRA

>>83156294

no, the Secret Council was at the start of Axis, when Cap Falcon comic was unreleased yet. Uncanny Avengers was more than one and a half year old at that point, they were finishing the Avenge the Earth plot at that point

>>83156437

Last we saw him Ian died in the Hydra's Infinite Elevator at the end of Hail Hydra and Jet just ran off with her father after the obvious vat-clone of Sharon came back.

>>83152799
>Marvel turning 616 Cap evil
Come on, anon. It's Marvel; this is way too interesting of an idea for them to commit to.

>>83155174
I thought this was a joke the first time I rad it...now, I'm not quite sure.

>>83154425
Is including characters who are different genders, races, and sexualize a political thing? Those types of people exist in the world. Is their existence political?

>>83156620

shhhhhhhhhhhh, let /pol/ have their conspiration dreams, everything is propaganda for them

#ImWithCap #HailHydra

Fuck off Marvel this shilling is even more blatant than DCs Subway Sandwich (tm) branded book.

>>83156620
But these are already established characters, being replaced unnecessarily.

>>83156545

wasn't Hail Hydra just Battleworld shit? Yeah, Jet is in limbo. I bet Ian will come back and become the new Jack Flag, IDK

>>83156728

are you new to comics? This shit has been going on since the FIFTIES.

Cap was replaced who knows how many times, Thor by Beta Ray Bill and Eric Masterson, Iron Man by War Machine.

I don't want to imagine how you people would twist War Machine becoming Iron Man into "le evil left propaganda" if the storyline was done today. God forbid sidekicks become the hero for a while.

>>83152799
This is what Marvel comics has been doing for attention for years. Character assassination = pissed off readers = sales boost. It also fits in with their new extreme SJW approach --who better to character assassinate than the patriotic cisgendered white male

>>83154120
How the fuck did he get Xavier's powers?

>>83152799
they're just gonna say he's brainwashed or some shit. no way Cap has been evil this whole time, lol.

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People in twitter are complaining Marvel made Cap belong to Hydra because they were asking for him to be gay. They claim Marvel preferes making him a nazi instead of gay.

What a time to be alive.

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>>83157001
Stole his brain. This happened 4 years ago, anon. Its hardly a new development.

>>83157017
Yes, as if they could write and release an entire comic in... one day.

This issue has likely been done for the past 3 months.

>>83157001
He stole his brain from his grave and put it in his head or some similar idiocy.

>>83157080
Knowing that implies the people posting those hashtags know anything about comics or things in general.

>>83157052

Ack ack ack!

>>83154023
I love how your intention here is to make it seem like the SJWs have took over Marvel, but you cross out X-Men, which is a story based entirely around a diverse group of individuals looking for acceptance in society and has been used as a metaphor for minority groups for ages. If SJWs really did took over Marvel X-Men would become MORE prominent if anything, not less. Also, literally what the fuck is wrong with that WW costume change? God forbid she change costume like male heroes have done for years in different runs. WW gets a costume change that's slightly less revealing and BOOM and it's the SJWs.

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>>83155571
Not only is it a different Earth's Superman, but we've had a black Superman since fucking 1990.

hilarious because they made him a nazi because he's white with blond hair and the new cap is black and it's an issue demonizing borders
if that isn't a clear agenda I don't know what is

>>83157237
Metaphors aren't good enough we need real race changes and bad guys who say feminism is bad before getting beaten up.

>>83154520
My bet is Cosmic Cube personally.

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>>83154425
>the point is that western comics shove blatant political propaganda on their pages
>implying this is new.

>>83157286
Such a freak

>Captain America 3 is the biggest movie in the country
>Public interest in the character is at its highest since the 1st Avengers movie
>Decides this is the time to reveal him to be a Nazi

This is why you're medium's fucking dying, Marvel.

And yes, I know this will eventually be retconned, and that it's a gimmick designed to drive sales, and "NORMIES REEEEE". But if you're one of the new readers Marvel needs to attract, you're not thinking "What? Captain America is an Agent of Hydra?! I need to read and see what's going on!". You're gonna hear "Marvel made Captain America a Nazi" and decide comics are stupid and stick with the movies.

So can we just give Tom Brevoort and Dan DiDio to ISIS already and let them do what comes natural?

>>83157307
>>83157307

shut the fuck up, /pol/

>>83157439
At least it's not aping the movies. Reading anything by Bendis after Avengers came out was hilarious.

>>83157439

You do know Marvel does this shit on purpose right? they've stated they do stuff to get people mad because it's free publicity and people are gonna buy uit anyways

>>83157237
t. /co/mblr

X-Men wouldn't be more prominent because X-Men is about fictional minorities seeking acceptance despite actually being dangerous

SJWs aren't interested in metaphor, nuance or storytelling- they just want to do whatever they can to stick it to "The White Male".

>>83157677

Marvel produces the clickbait equivalent of comics.

>>83155571
So you're saying you've read every single comic every single one of those images is taken from? Because we both know that's bullshit and in any case shit like "President Black Superman" is obviously pandering even if it was a fucking alternate universe because it's that creepy gay crush that liberals have on obama in comic form.

>>83157540
>post truth
>s-shut the fuck up!

You have no fucking argument, Marvel has publicly and repeatedly pushed blatant SJW shit in their comics (in particular Whor among others) and all you can do is say "w-well it doesn't really matter anyway because reasons!"

It's also funny because a year has passed and Whor is still around despite people claiming it would only be a brief story arc of Whor and then back to actual Thor and it hasn't.

Just go to tumblr. I don't care if you didn't come from tumblr but your kind is cancer and you're more at home there than here.

ITT: babbies who don't actually read comics

Ignoring Superman Turns Evil For The 12th Time, this isn't even the first time there's been an evil double-agent Cap.

>>83156806
Yeah anon's like this
>>83156728
>>83154425
>>83154023
Really piss me off because their pushing just as much of an agenda as those evil SJWs.
And while I also hate the forced pandering to SJWs at the end of the day their a company trying to appeal to an audience who's expressed interest. Things like Angela:Queen of Hel and Thor (her first volume) are the problem not a black guy who actually earned the title of Cap. At the end of the day there's nothing wrong with people taking on the mantle and it's weird when obvious casuals bitch endlessly as if blacks or women are a problem. Why can't Cap be Falcon? Why can't Joe be Thor? Why can't Amadeus be Hulk? For better or worse comics are a medium where anything can happen and I hope it does. There's been crazier shit then two Spider-Men in comics

>>83155776
Secret Warriors were great though. Secret Avengers were mostly meh.

What's surprising is that people don't see it for the shit it is and are bitching on twitter. I wish people that complained about things they never read would die.

>>83154520
>They writers said it's not mind control
>I'm betting that it's really mind control

Thing is you're probably right.

This sounds dumb.

>>83157884
>Marvel has publicly and repeatedly pushed blatant SJW shit in their comics

So fucking what.

>>83152799
>no helmet wings
DROPPED

>>83154023

Wait is Cho the Hulk now or something

Who's writing it?

>>83156620
Ms. Marvel isn't a political thing. I wouldn't even call it pandering unless towards teenage girls and waifu shitters which is politicaly neutral, and if it doesn't negatively impact the book's quality, it's not even worth mentioning.

Spider-Man doesn't seem to be like this, either. I think it's a shit book, but it's not insultingly stupid and if someone likes Spider-Man more when he's black, it's fine by me, especially since nerds still have Peter Parker Spider-Man.

Spencer's both Captains, She-Thor, and shit like the current Batgirl run is just cringe central, though.

So yeah, judge them by the contents of their character and shit.

>>83158546
I judge them by the content of their books, which is shit; and the blatancy of quota filling and pandering which is high.

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>>83156806
Technically the 50's Cap wasn't a replacement until way later. That was a retcon. When Stan brought Cap out of the ice in '63 he just kind of pretended that the 50's stories didn't happen at all. It was only later on that 50's Cap was "revealed" to be William Burnside. When those stories ran in the 50's that was supposed to be Steve Rogers.

If you mean in-story 1950's, then it actually goes even further back to Spirit Of 76 and a few other WWII heroes temporarily donning the Cap costume. Or you might even count Isaiah Bradley going on a mission in Cap's costume back in 1942.
>>83157382
pic related

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Thanks to this thread I found out that Red Onslaught was a thing.

I'm glad I stopped reading comics in 2011

>>83157884

I don't have any fucking argument BECAUSE I DON'T CARE.

It's their comics, they can do whatever the fuck they want with them and if I dislike it I just won't buy it. I won't say say stupid shit like "le evil SJW are ruining the medium, it matters so much because I DISLIKE IT"

Stop being so fucking invested into your shitty conspiracies

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>>83157017
>Make him a Nazi
>Make him gay

10/1 this is a ruse to infiltrate hydra.
They'll sell it like it isn't for 1-3 more issues, "and then it totally was all along!"
Jack Flag probably landed on a rooftop or was caught by Spider-man or some nonsense.
And if he wasn't it's because he was secretly a skrull.

>>83159279
The irony is palpable, considering how upset you sound.

>>83159426

I'm not the one crying about the evil left "ruining muh comics". I'll wait to see how this pans out.

It's funny how once it was shown that you're just a little bitch trying to get into an argument and I didn't lower to your level, you spout "b-butthurt"

>>83159509
I'm not even that guy tumblrina, and yes they are shoving leftist propaganda in our comics, deal with it you nerd.

When were you bitches when comic characters were being killed left and right for the past 10 years?

Hypocrites. Welcome to comics, motherfuckers.

>>83159150
AXIS was great, anon. You missed out.

>>83153064
Finally, someone who remembers this quote!

We all know by the end of the run he's either going to be found out as an impostor or the run will be non-canon/retconned back to normal.

Marvel's been doing this for decades.

>>83159595

yeah, and? comics have been leaning left since the fucking 40's where Cap was shown punching Hitler 2 years before USA actually entered the war.

Do you even know what propaganda is, little /pol/ bitch? It's not "opinions I dislike"

>>83159677
> moving goal posts

>>83155245
... This is just giving me superior spider-man flashback

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Why aren't more people talking about Steve's mom being seduced by a woman?

Comic books are serious business.

>>83152799
>America is going to elect Trump
>Captain America must now become a Trump supporter

SYMBOLISM

>>83152799
Skrull?

>>83159750

I'm not moving goalposts, I never said I disagreed with you, I said I don't care about it. What I hate is your bitch attitude. You /pol/ people complain that SJW are just bitching about shit they don't care about, it's the same with you. You complain about comic books you don't even care about to know they have been leftist since their creation.

>>83159847
I'm going to fucking elect Trump if it puts these dipshits out of business.

>>83159917
>You /pol/ people

WHAT DO YOU MEAN

YOU /POL/ PEOPLE

>>83159932
>"I hate these guys made someone a fascist so I'm going to become a fascist myself"

>>83159956
If the only way to get my hobby back is to threaten the authors wellbeing, then so be it.

>>83160025
There won't be any more hobbyists in Trump's "America"

>>83160025
>my hobby

you mean

m'hobby

>>83157439
The medium's dying because marvel is killing it

>>83159279
>I don't have any fucking argument BECAUSE I DON'T CARE.
Just because you don't care about a comic book or a characters doesn't mean I shouldn't care either

and left leaning for america in the fortys is very different from current left

>>83160060
Then I'll just die, whatever. Basically fuck you.

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>>83159677
>l-little /pol/ b-bitch!

Opposing Hitler wouldn't make you left-leaning when you're at war with nazi Germany, but besides that is the fact that comic creators were generally born in the jewish ghetto/hoods of New York and their idea of left wing politics was unionism and "populism" (wink wink) ala Donald Trump

Modern leftism is a bunch of obese middle class uggos desiring a strange combination of socialism but also with special accommodations for every zee and xir and transblack out there.

Meaning that if you're making a comic where the white guy is a nazi because "fuk wite guise" you're an enormous faggot and should kill yourself.

Seems like Mr. Spencer is having quite a giggle over this.

https://twitter.com/nickspencer/status/735497936185004032

>>83157237
Marvel does not hold the film rights to the X-Men, and removing support for the competition > identity-politics agendas. They are ultimately a business.

>>83160098

you know who else does this kind of shit? The old "I know there are worst issues out there but I'll complain anyway because I dislike it, even though it's the way a company chooses to deal with their own product"? SJW and tumblrshit.

Get a mirror and try to understand the irony of you becoming what you hate the most.

>>83159150
Hey now, Red Onslaught caused the best Marvel event of the entire decade. Carnage Man was the hero we all needed.

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>b-but the comics are better than the movies, you f-fucking casuals

>>83157921
>fence sitter master race!

Except no, because faggots like you enable shit. Protip: pushing back against faggotry does not make you the same as an SJW. If you sit on your cock and let people push a ton of gay bullshit into comics then they aren't going to stop until your shit is completely ruined and comics are unreadable.

Pushing back is the only answer.

>>83152953
Lemire hasn't really brought anything new to Moony.

This is marvels way of turning cap liberal.
He's been conservative for a while (fdr libs would be conservative in the modern political landscape), so they'll say every conservative thing he's said or done has been hydra brainwashing.
And when they do, I'll never buy another marvel comic in my life

>>83159279
>conspiracy theory
>things actually happening are just "theories"

Not very bright are you?

>>83160263

if you directed that rage about how a private company deals with their own product towards real life problems you would be different to SJW shit.

Meanwhile? You're the same. No homophobic analogies are going to change that.

>>83160223
>becoming what you hate the most
Not really there, we are both hear still arguing logically
>The company chooses to deal with their own product
So? I will not buy it, and I'll at least explain why not, unlike just laying back indeferently

>>83160223
If you don't actually care then stop posting you fucktard

Otherwise every one of your posts is "well I'm neutral so I think you're both silly!" when one side wouldn't exist without the other because before SJW faggotry existed no one was trying to push conservatism or fascism in a positive light in comics, people were just reading their slightly-liberal comics. Anti-SJWism only exists because of SJWs trying to take the slight liberal lean and turn it into full blown post-modern "all whites and men are bad" bullshit when people just want to read a fucking comic book about people in gay costumes shooting lasers out of their eyes.

>>83160296

come the fuck on, you'll tell me you fucktards don't think it's the evil jews and feminists agenda that is making the western media lean to the left.

Come the fuck on and tell me you retards don't spout the same anti-jew and anti-left bullshit on these threads

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So...are people suppose to oppose this?

>>83160376
>faggot is homophobic
>homophobia is a thin
>On 4chan

I see now that I've been rused.

>>83160376
Disney is not a private company

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>>83160060
The absolute delusion, do you think he's going to outlaw creativity and have us all live in das kamps?

>>83160271
Grandpa you really need to get off the internet.

>>83159775
So Spencer is saying that Lesbians are Nazis.

>>83160434
At least with this the blithering retards who claim that Marvel isn't really pushing SJW bullshit have no argument left

>>83160474
>The absolute delusion
Well yeah, how do you think SJW function other wise?

>>83160479
>not being a libcuck makes me old
What?

>>83160507
>SJW bullshit

That's implying that their argument is bullshit.

>>83160434

is he giving a solution? Of course not. It's just Politics 101. Start by saying something true, and once you have people in your side do what you want with your sheep.

It has been done by fascists since ages ago. They also used real issues to rally people against entire races and political minorities.

You can argue whether what Red Skull is saying is true or not. What he is going to do next is the real evil, because I bet you that he isn't going to make unicorns shit rainbows, he's going to make some horrid shit because that's how he is.

He doesn't care about solving real problems. He's a psychopath that wants power and control over weaker minds.

>>83152799
Look at the flashback scenes again.

The only color used in them is red. Which just happens to be a color closely associated with the villain of this arc, Red Skull, who just happens to have stolen the powers of the most powerful mindfucker on the planet a while back.

It's only reasonable to conclude that he planted those memories in Cap's head to make him THINK he was raised by Hydra, when in reality it's just an illusion. This whole thing will be resolved by the end of the arc, mark my words.

Stop getting mad over nothing. Mind-fuckery like this happens practically every other day in comics.

>>83160462

except it is in the way they deal with their media. You can't censore them because you dislike it.

>>83160448

>implying you only used faggot
>when you started a whole analogy that said "not behaving like a little bitch means you are like a faggot taking dicks up your butt but I'm no faggot"

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>>83160507
>At least with this the blithering retards who claim that Marvel isn't really pushing SJW bullshit have no argument left

Comic books, man

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>alt right fags so triggered that they can't express their crappy, cowardly empathy-less opinions off of the local cambodian carpet weaving board that they resort to shitting up comic book threads

>>83160644
Fedora is a meme that originated on /pol/ to refer to annoying atheists like the amazing atheist. If you use it in any other capacity you are cancer.

>>83160729
The thing about baiting is that you need to be subtle

Someone who actually believed in tumblr shit- as you're trying to insinuate you do- wouldn't save an image of Don Draper because he is the archetype of the triggering patriarchal male.

Do better next time, perhaps choose a Steven Universe reaction image. tumblr loves steven universe.

>>83160434
Turns out the difference "Poor soul in need of help and assistance" and "Scheming free-loader plotting to destroy us" is which side of the counter a person's on. Who knew?

Also, nice and subtle of Red Skull trying to Make Marvel Great Again.

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>>83160799
>>Someone who actually believed in tumblr shit- as you're trying to insinuate you do- wouldn't save an image of Don Draper because he is the archetype of the triggering patriarchal male.
>
>Do better next time, perhaps choose a Steven Universe reaction image. tumblr loves steven universe.

>>83160799
you don't have to be a tumblrtard to know that the alt right is a fucking cancer

Ok... I haven't read much marvel since the beginning of secret wars so...But what happend to the time gem? Maybe red skull got it and altered the past so Steve is now sleeper agent, you know alter some subtle things like the woman in the right moment giving his mother the propaganda

>>83153064

How can you be so cynical when we've got CIVIL WAR TWO!!! just beginning?

>>83160507
>A bad guy and a literal nazi is supporting nationalistic, and right wing ideolagies, the very next page they commit atrocities, because MUH EBIL WHITY

I hope you are rally not reatrded enough to think this isn't SJW agenda being pushed

>>83152799
>How am I supposed to feel about this?
You aren't supposed to feel just buy our comic you stupid shit. Fucking cis shitlords.

>>83160263
I'm not a fence sitter asshole I actually like the books that are being published and the changes being made. Not all but the majority. I still morally disagree with SJWs but Captain America being Sam or Hulk being Amadeus is not that big of a deal. You just WANT to be the mad comic book fan. You desperately want to hate what's being published for reasons you make up, thus pushing an agenda

>>83152799
I say fucking roll with it. Accept Superior Captain Hydra into your heart.

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>>83160918
>>I hope you are rally not reatrded enough to think this isn't SJW agenda being pushed

>>83160887

The 616 Infinity Gauntlet was destroyed forever before Secret Wars. This is Red Skull using his mental powers (stolen from Charles Xavier dead body 4 years ago) to fuck with Steve head and implant fake memories on his head. The red woman is a give away

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>>83154023
I don't know the context to this and I don't care because it's fucking hilarious.

>>83160434
I quite like this move of Hydra to a legitimate opposing force, with a distinct ideology as opposed to Generic Evil Bad Guys #337, that we've been seeing over the last few years. Gives them teeth, and some good story hooks.

>>83161021
>gets shit pushed
>get butt-blasted
>resort to ad-honimen
KEK
I'm out, you're either baiting or just retarded

>hey guys lets make things more diverse
>by diversity i mean lets make a bunch of shit exactly the same and forced
>fuck other view points but our own
>this is diverse

>>83161140

sounds as what alt right wants media to be.

>>83160820
Why would you greentext that? It's just a statement you're making.

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I love how buttblasted the SJWs are.
I'm glad he did this, its really interesting.

Also i can finally use this .gif

>>83152799
Would they be as against it if he was also gay?

>>83160434
Ge the villain to say something you disagree with.
Even if he's right, he's wrong, because he's the villain.

>>83161226

both /pol/ and SJW are butthurt. It takes a special kind of man to make both sides of the same coin angry as fuck.

I'm just reading the tweets and it's fucking delicious.

>>83156665
oh hey, a /pol/ boogieman!

>>83161267

except that well-intentioned extremists are a thing. US Agent would agree with what the Red-Skull is saying, but still fight him, because what he's saying is only a tool for him to get sheep to follow him.

For fuck's sake, he said so in the last number of Stand-Off. That he would get the weaker minds to rally behind him and use them as kamikaze agents to weaken the world.

>>83161333

>/pol/ is a boogeyman
>when everything the alt-right posters on this thread have said is just /pol/ rhetoric

If only you called "tumblr" a boogeyman too

Hey remember that one Daredevil comic where Cap Said that he was loyal only to the American Dream?

>>83161411
People have opinions.
Strong opinions can come up no matter what you're watching, reading, or doing.

>>83161049
>> infinity gauntlet destroyed for ever
Does that means this particular plot device is in the bench for the next 1 or 2 years? Also talking about benched stuff any news about the return of wolverine I'm about to lose a bet if he doesn't appears before october

I like to think Steve's dad beat his wife for being a member of Hydra.

>>83161284

#TeamPopcorn

>>83161597

yeah, the current hot cosmic device is cosmic cubes. I'm willing to bet that the Gauntlet Black Panther used (the one that was from Doomstadt home universe) to go back and prevent Wakanda from shitting the bed thanks to the Cabal somehow stayed on 616.

That or Thanos makes Anti-Man recreate it, he seems powerful enough to do shit like that.

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>Doc Manhattan is simultaneously fucking over two different comicbook universes.

>>83152799
>An old, white, heterosexual man
>Not a villain
pick ONE

>>83161756
Oh shut up. Steve has always been progressive.

>Brubaker getting hate for this plot twist on twitter
This shit is hilarious

>>83161597

Wolverine is dead and I think he will stay dead at least until his next movie is announced, Apocalypse Wars shows that Marvel is willing to piggyback from Fox movies

>>83161756
What about Tony ok wrong example
What about Thor... Ok let me try again
What about Hank Pym
God dammit Marvel!

>>83161820

it's fucking beautiful

https://twitter.com/DieRobinsonDie/status/735612901139042305

>>83160434
This is literally what every politician ever says regardless of party.

>>83161947
Peter Parker.

>>83161859
well shit he stayed dead longer that I thought. thanks anon

Wew, for once it's a good thing SJWs don't care about Superman and DC in general, otherwise I can't imagine the blowback on Earth-X Overman, especially since he's still played as something of a hero despite being part of the Reich.

>>83161953
My favorite twitter rant poor Brubaker had to reply to was "how dare they turn a character who was created by two Jews into a Nazi?! It's triggering Jews everywhere!"

>>83162014
Have you read his comic with deadpool? I wouldn't call him straight

>>83161756

You are a rascist.

>>83162113
The best thing is when you mention Israel being both a racist hatemonger nation and a jewish invention.

>>83162113

oh, yeah, this retard?

hahahahahahahahahaha

https://twitter.com/hydrasmemory/status/735520095930195968

"Don't make storylines where evil people attack my race, that's offensive"

I don't know what the fuck do these SJWs want but it's funny as fuck to watch them

>>83152799

You were warned SJWs would ruin it.

>>83161756

Oh, and a bigot, can't forget that part.

>>83162078
>Earth-X Overman
You mean an alternate Earth character? The whole purpose of alternate Earths is precisely to explore the ideas of alternate heroes.

Marvel, conversely, is exploring ideas of character assassination within the one canon Earth they care about.

>>83162221

>SJW ruined it
>SJW somehow are complaining about it

Boogeyman much? Fuck off

>>83161953
God that is just sad

>>83161953
God that is just sad

What kind of relationship will Cap have with this new generation of Hydra?
SPENCER: It’s a big part of our story, what Steve’s beliefs are about what Hydra should be, where it should go, what it should focus on. To me, I always get really fascinated by this kind of thing. Any World War II history buff can talk your ear off about the internal power struggles of the Nazi Party. There were some fun parallels to play with here. There’s also a little bit of The Man in the High Castle here. It’s a difficult challenge to get people invested in Hydra characters because their ideology is so repugnant, but what The Man in the High Castle did so well was get you to pull for the lesser of the evils. You might be seeing some similar things here.

>this actually sounds cool but I know it will be bad

>>83152799
I don't get it anymore.

>>83162273
That doesn't matter to these people. I mean, they were pissed about The Man in the High Castle simply for deigning to portray a world where the Nazis won (even though, you know, they were still evil and the world had gone to shit).

>>83157222
Would work even better if he was wearing the brain like a fancy hat.

>>83162316
>White guys are all removed or nazis now.
Yeah, okay. "Boogeyman."

Enjoy your comics, kid.

>>83152799

>literally /pol/

>>83162478

except the part where Cassandra Nova has been a thing on this year Secret War.

Or the part where Black Manta is still a relevant villain. Do you even read comics? I can follow on the examples, retard.

>>83161812
>Roosevelt Democrat makes you an SJW
yeah okay buddy

>>83162366
>>Mister I almost kill my friend for making a bomb that would destroy an alternative earth and save the universe
>>Pull for the lesser of the evil in anything
Yeah no, it's altered memory don't try to distract us

>>83159321
Make him a gay nazi and watch the world burn.

>>83162560
>Literally dismisses every single instance of white men being replaced by women or other races, or turned evil.
Okay, buddy. "Boogeyman." Enjoy your Captain Nazi, I guess.

>>83162627

what white man has been turned evil in the recent year, retard? Give me examples.

Is there anything inherently wrong with Bruce Banner being replaced by Cho other than your shitty opinion?

Is there anything wrong with Thor getting replaced by Whor other than your shitty opinion?

Those are the only 2 examples that have somehow sticked. You fuck off, you don't even read comics.

>>83162560
>black manta

DC doesn't count. They love whites. Marvel supports white genocide

>>83162627

>he thinks that the protagonist becoming bad isn't a gimmick done since decades ago

I bet that if you were there for the Silver Age Emperor Superman stories you would cry "LEFT PROPAGANDA WAAH WAAH"

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>>83161226
>>83162493


dammit i was going to use that

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>>83162625

>>83162786

Yeah, gee, what could be the difference besides and obvious attempt at propaganda?

Oh, wait, THEY WERE. Just for DIFFERENT PEOPLE. There was a short time that they weren't and comics were good. Now they're shit again exactly BECAUSE people are pushing an agenda in them.

>>83162734
>Your opinion is shitty! Fuck off!
>Can't state why or they'll tip their hand.
Spotted the SJW.

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>>83160549
>SJW's aren't pushing bullshit
Wew lad.
Yeah keep the White Man's Burden alive and well into the 21st century via condescendingly "defending" minorities while ignoring and shunning those of them who take issue with that "defense", and crusading against the right to have opinions that others might not share, that's legitimate ploitical policy right there, yep.
You know, I don't ever say this ironically, but now I get the chance to actually say it and mean it.
Kill yourself.

>>83162734
>Is there anything wrong with the mass changing of white men with minorities just to push an agenda other than your shitty opinion? Or turning straight male characters gay. My wife's son loves the new comics!
Lemme guess, san francisco or seattle?

>>83162885

>waah waah I dislike how this private company is handling their creative decisions, YOU BETTER PANDER TO MY ALT-RIGHT THOUGHTS EVEN THOUGH YOU NEVER PANDERED TO THEM BEFORE

t. /pol/ retard

>>83163047
>STOP VOICING YOUR OPINION ON HOW SJW PANDERING IS RUINING DECADES OLD COMIC BOOK HEROES
>YOU OPINIONS ARE TRIGGERING ME REEEEEEEEE
t. SJW retard that can't handle people with different opinions than him and his tranny friends

>>83163047
>unironically uses the term alt-right
Yeah, you're not completely transparent right now.

>>83163161

>SJW PANDERING IS RUINING DECADES OLD COMIC BOOK HEROES

yeah, because they weren't used for political propaganda before, right? What do you mean that Hulk and Thor first villains were literal commies and that Cap was punching nazis before we entered the war?

>>83160918
He is telling people what they want to hear to get followers just like hitler before him

>>83163199

yeah, I lean to the left, I hate both SJW and /pol/ tards and I'm having some of the funniest moments on my life right now watching both get angry at this old as fuck kind of twist.

You're literally the same as the people you hate. You're complaining about the same. If you can't catch the irony behind it it's not my problem.

>>83163345
>I lean to the left

So you're a thieving piece of shit?

>>83161683
I can get behind that

And God damit there's a perfect fucking reaction image for this fuck global rule 15

So if this is true then how was he able to lift Mjolnir? And isn't this a slap in the face of the creators of Captain America? One of which happens to be a Jew that created the character specifically against what they are now saying he is? Give me a break.

>>83163270
Wartime Propaganda =/= obviously attacking presidential candidates and making substantial changes to a massive number of already established characters.

>>83163345

It's funny you resort to spewing the name /pol/ at everyone when you're not an SJW.

Hmmmm..

>>83162575
Anon said progressive not sjw

>>83163448

What if liberal America is evil and Hydra is now the good guy? And Cap sees that?

Now that would be a ballsy twist.

>>83162775
Hitler looks less like he's hiding behind that chair and more like he's trying to ballroom dance with it.

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>>83156254
>If you don't support open borders, immigration reform, and have a problem with a massive influx of people who refuse to integrate into the culture, demanding the preexisting culture bend to theirs, you are literally a skullfaced super nazi
This was just posted in another thread, and it's a completely tripe explanation of anything the writers would have the readers feel. The more simple explanation is that they're strengthening the Nazi side, whether to make the CA plotline more believable.. or just more enjoyable. In any case, a villain has to be believable to have followers, and what better method of producing that than rapport with reader ideas?

>>83163519
Hydra is a fascist terrorist organization with ties directly to surviving members of Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire.

>#GiveCaptain AmericaABoyfriend

>>83163657
>And people can never improve!
Of course. How silly. Totally not propaganda.

>>83163725
#andANaziuniform

Gay nazi captain America !

>>83163657
>They're EVIL and they'll ALWAYS BE EVIL even though Nazis were LITERALLY SOCIALISTS like SJWs and LIBERALS who would be happy with the removal a group of people that they DON'T APPROVE O--
Oh. Wait...

>>83163468

>waah waah if you disagree with me you're WITH THE EVIL SJW

both of you are cucks that can't realize how much of a bitchy nigger you actually are. Fuck off.

>>83163844
>both of you
You're not fooling anyone.

>>83152799
IT'S JUST A PRANK BRO

>>83163913

>waah waah if he disagrees with /pol/ and tumblr SJW he's a SJW, of course

Cry me a fucking river

>>83154023
Why does Kitty where the mask?

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captain america is evil

>>83163958
>Here, let me insult you and your opinions and YOU'RE FUCKING WRONG GO CRY! (Male tears.)
Yup, it's a SJW.

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How am I supposed to feel about this?
Are Disney that desperate for ideas?

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/05/25/captain-america-writer-nick-spencer-gets-death-threats-on-social-media/

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>>83152799

>those ears on cap

>>83152854

Marvel legit died when they got the loan from merril lynch to make movies, which was in 2005.

>>83164116
>Death threats.
>Examples aren't actually death threats.
>"Why does Captain America want my people to die?"
kek

SJWs pls go.

How does this plot even last? Everyone would know it's mind control. Why don't they get some other person with mind manipulation powers to fix him quickly?

>CAPTAIN AMERICA: GAY FOR HYDRA?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvVKT8XOGeE

>>83159321
So Ersnt Rohm?

>>83164507

Martha?

Martha Stewart?

What kind of evil and perverse force IS THIS NEW CAPTAIN AMERICA?

>Red Skull appears in Standoff and interacts with Cap extensively without revealing his identity
>Leaves with Sin and Crossbones having completed some goal he doesn't reveal
>Major color in the flashbacks is red

Gee whillakers, Mr. Anonymous, you don't think this might all be a trick by a powerful Nazi psychic do you to convince your greatest foe he was always a deep cover agent on your side?

>>83162775

well shit, we should have seen this coming then. I for one feel like an ass, sorry marvel.

>>83164050

>thinks that the expression cry me a river conveys actual tears

yep, it's a /pol/ tard

>>83163742
>implying the death of millions can be swept under the rug
>but they got better!

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>>83157237
>X-Men were made to bring to light the wrongs of and talk about segregation and racism
>Death of X is them retroactively admitting that segregation is the best solution.
Can't make this shit up if you tried.

>>83164649

Probably Doctor Connors wife, I mean who wouldn't want the woman who can tame the lizard?

>>83164797
>hurr durr let's argue semantics after I got caught
>if I call him a /pol/ tard again it'll stick this time!
kek

You're just pretending, I'm sure.

>>83152799
The pouches on the gloves are bothering me more than the writing

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>>83165019
But SJWs like segregation now

>>83165103

>hurr durr if I call him a SJW maybe it will stick this time

see the irony? I'm not even the person you were first answering to, it's just incredibly funny to watch you being so blinded by your idiocy

>>83152799
does this mean that at one point captain america was a nazi and a werewolf at the same time

>>83165172
>I'm not even the person you were first answering
Does it matter? Take his place, get his responses. You don't get a free pass if you jump into the middle of an argument and take up his side (if in fact you aren't fucking lying here and chances are you ARE) you get the shit coming his way.

But let's just call it what it is.

Samefag.

>>83163608
>>83156254
Because he's telling people what they want to hear. It's a matter of debate whether he actually believes what he's saying, but he's trying to appeal to people's anti-refugee way of thinking so they'll join him. It's not a matter of "people with anti-refugee beliefs are literally Nazis", but "this Nazi is using anti-refugee beliefs to further his own goals".

Faggots.

>>83154425
>artwork reflecting the views of the artists
>whatashocker.jpg

>>83165277

>le samefag

are you /pol/fags so easy to trigger? /tv/ told me so before but I didn't know it was this fucking easy

>>83165333
>le triggered le ignore the argument le i don't understand what samefag really means

You call samefag because it doesn't matter if you're two people or not. You're the same fucking argument. You don't get special treatment because you're two different people. You want that? Tripfag it up so I can call you out for being a piece of shit on that, too.

Otherwise try and keep up.
>Protip: You can't.

>>83152799
ambivalent.

>>83164116
>Rich trying to drum up some more controversy
I wonder how many shill articles he agreed to write for this?

>>83159279

Actually, to counter pol's whole it's a SJW conspiracy theory... You could just say that the whole SJW thing is what people actually want nowadays as a counter culture to the way things were before. In other words, SJW was bound to happen just to spit in the faces of what made America great.

Its not manipulation. It's pandering

>>83160827
And you don't have to be a member of the alt right to see Marvel's bullshit.

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>>83162422
Here's something a drawfag whipped up when it happened.

>>83152799

>New Cap is Falcon
>Old cis white male, all-American and patriotic Cap revealed to be white supremacist member of Hydra

They're blatantly fucking obvious.

>>83162007
>modern leftists appeal to nationalism
/co/mblr can shit on /pol/s opinions all they want, but at least they stay up to date with current events.

>>83152799
does anyone else think this is some sort of social commentary on the current election? i mean, captain america has always been pretty meta in either directly or indirectly involving american issues (WWII, vietnam, 9/11 etc.)
captain america represents the will of the american people along with freedom and democracy and all that jazz.

since hydra= nazis and a lot of people equate donald trump and hitler, i think this twist is supposed to address donald trump's campaign and it's success with the american people.

basically captain (and Nick) is saying that we are WWII germany meaning we have become the villains.

not sure of the validity of this because captain america has gone against the majority before because his whole shtick is "doing what's right when everyone else (the majority) is wrong"

>>83152996
>comics were a stillborn medium
Fixed for reals.

>>83169244
>does anyone else think this is some sort of social commentary on the current election?
No.

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>>83157052
>This happened 4 years ago

Jesus fucking Christ.

>>83152854
>10 years now
let me see.... mmm irredeemable was in 09-12 so thats four years ago. 10? keep it real anon

>>83169800
This is beautiful
DESU if Hydra was just the first page of red skull's part and you took out the second page with the suicide bombings I would support them too.

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Its a fucking gimmick lad same as pic related
pull random shit to generate discussion > risk losing fans but they'll want more if this is really real >sales goes up because of this

I've been out of the loop for awhile.

Is the problem with Cap being part of Hydra just out of the blue or something?

>>83159775
Conspiracy theory time.
Is Sinclair Elisa an anagram of anything related to Captain America that could shed some light on this situation?

>>83161284

Wait, /pol/ is butthurt? I've just been hanging around /trumpgen/. Most of /pol/ just identifies with the Red Skull to be edgy anyway.

>>83154120
Mother of-
This is
the stupidest fucking thing
i have ever heard of
I'm amazed Jack Kirby has not manifested himself from the grave to kick the guy who wrote this and the guys who approved this square in the ballsack.
I just. What the fuck.

>>83170005

haven't you read this thread? Half of it is complaining because "Captain America being HYDRA is because white male is being villainized by le evil feminist left" even though making your protagonist evil because of clone, mind control or hypnotism is an old as fuck trope.

>>83161112
Pretty much invaded his personal brain space by reading his mind and finding out he's gay. Bitch to the Nth degree.

>>83169244
>doing what's right
... according to him. bucky committed his crimes in the us. he shoulda be processed convicted and reabbilitated in US soil to gave maybe some well deserved peace to stark and washington victims.

/pol/ here

As an actual fascist I am happy to claim Cap for our side

>>83170053

fucking retard, Jack Kirby already did a gimmick like this for 3 numbers years ago! It also involved some kind of mind control >>83162775

So the symbol of American moral character, created by two Jews as a symbol against fascism, was a Nazi agent all this time. Great idea, Marvel. A great "Fuck you" to the creators. And the Marvelfags were soooo smug about Superman's character assassination by Snyder: what's their answer to this shit?

>>83170078

Eh, skimmed it. I do think that's what they're doing though, setting up for Cap to job to the Falcon. I was mostly just saying that I wasn't seeing any of it on /pol/.

>>83170116

>Actual fascist

Ironmarch pls go

>>83170153
what if I hate Jews and am a fascist Marvel fan who is happy about this

>>83154023
I literally hate you

>>83170153
>was a Nazi agent all this time
NEXT SUMMER SANTA IS A PEDOPHILE.... dont miss marvel next summer event. "the north pole files"

>>83170181
Anon...

You're gay

>>83152799
oh you want Steve Rogers back? Sure, go ahead you can have him, here you go.
;^)

>>83161112
>>83170100
I thought these were photoshopped or something, maybe it just turned into a joke people photoshopped everywhere

>>83170078
I'm mad because it's not so much they're doing the old "CONSERVATIVES ARE LITERALLY NAZIS" shit that Marvel hacks tend to do, but that they're using this as a way of turning Cap, a conservative (40s democrat, but modern conservative), into a liberal after the mind control is over.
They'll say every remotely conservative thing he's said or done over the years has been for the sake of Hydra, not his own, personal, completely realistic as a person with the ideals of 1940s America person.
To top it off they might be extra pandering at the end and say him being straight was part of the mind control too, and have him come out as gay.

Because this is modern Marvel. They can't fucking let a single one of their heroes by conservative. Nope. Have to turn them all into big liberal propaganda machines.

>>83170181
Oh, then that's cool, bro!