THE OMEGA MEN #12 STORYTIME

yesssss
please don't suck

yea boii

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Bitch

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This is my favorite page of the issue. Just Kyle being himself in the midst of all the horror around him

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Obviously no happy ending

>>83143584
what a ho

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This is a good way to end this because the reader already know Kyle's answer and the smile show he has no doubt about it

So /co/, did King nail the ending?

>>83143800
"There is always a third way."

>>83143848
Can't say I'm entirely happy with the ending, but I guess that was never the point anyway.

So yeah, I'd say he nailed it pretty well.

>>83143732
... lol
I thought the accent in issue 10 was supposed to be some kind of allegory.

>>83143800
I don't get the metaphor. I really don't.

>>83143848
I guess, I just wish there was more. So if that means he nailed it, sure.

>>83143714
So, this is basically "Animal Farm, DC Edition"

>>83143848
I think he did. There was no way this was gonna end well, so just showing that nothing has changed, despite Kyle's efforts, is good enough.
Kyle was definitely the highlight of all this story and make me sure King would have done something amazing on Green Lantern. I doubt his Batman will be great

>>83143954
I think it's more like it doesn't matter who's in charge as long as the circumstances and underlying problems aren't addressed.

Fixing a country or a world isn't as easy as getting rid of the "bad guys", since nine out of ten times the bad guys are just trying to do what they think is good. They got rid of the evil dictator and his regime, but the problems on each individual planet and the pressure on them from the outside is still the same, so in the end everything was just business as usual. Just like how in the real world revolutions almost always change things for the worse, and real lasting betterment requires a more gradual shift and not just a musical chairs of who's in charge.

>>83143902
The panels are cages and the cages are the limited choices they are offering him. He, like the reader, is able to look beyond them to find an alternative to war

>>83143714
Well this is depressing especially Primus becoming a dictator.

>>83143584
oop

I think it went well. He could have gone for something splashier, but after reading Superman 52 and JL 50 today, I'm glad it's a bit more toned down.

It really hits the grit of the series. Even now, I'm still going over the ideas present here, and I think King made a perfect, lasting mark.

>>83144252
The Princess being ax crazy was pretty much expected though.

>>83144252
did primus prove batman right with the no kill rule

>>83143954
More like meet the new boss same as the old boss.

>>83143800
But why does planet need the macguffin metal to survive?

Kyle should have stuck around with Kalista as her concubine

>>83143902
I think it's about what comics represent.

Look at some of the DC stuff released today and then take away the fact that we're "accustomed" to the ideas of superheroes -- it's violent, almost savage in ways. Not much in the way of talking things out, reaching out to others. Oh sure, they talk about how violence should always be the last option, but we know that's not true for them.

It's funny because we sort of just shrug our shoulders and, exactly as Kyle describes, we think it's just a savage, silly, colorful world and that our universe isn't quite as quick to violence. As per >>83143361, we're just as savage, just as civilized. Especially for a comicbook nerd with aspirations to do something "good" in the world, it can be a hard pill to swallow.

It's easy to say, "Well, *they* made the wrong choices, *they* were too violent, but I think I'd be a bit more calm-minded, a bit more just, and maybe even more righteous." But is it true?

>>83144610
I think the point is that it actually doesn't? At least the reasoning of it being necessary to prevent another Krypton-style planetary implosion sounded just made up to drive business.

>>83144610
Why do we need oil?

>>83143848
This final issue, especially the debrief, really speaks to King's CIA days. What the hell kind of fucked up shit did he do in the Middle East?

>>83143714
Will Lantern Corp join the war? Will Sinestro side with Kalista?

>>83144785
My question is since when does Kyle report to the US government and since when does Earth know or care about space politics?

>>83144000
>I doubt his Batman will be great
Why?

>>83144887
It's a metaphor for King's own experiences anon

>>83144842
Honestly the only logical outcome would be all out war on the Vega System, since neither Sinestro nor his daughter seem the type to do "sides"

>>83144842
>>83144940
Sinestro wouldn't side with anybody, he'd assume he could do better and try to take over the Vega System himself

>>83144332
Well yeah.

>>83143800
>I used to draw comics, before all of this, the ring. Before everything

Shit, he was still drawing comics until he gave up being Ion then went to space because gay-bashing.

>>83144610
The macguffin is more like a failsafe, I think. Like, if anything similar to the Krypton explosion were ever to happen, they can use it to prevent it. It's less about needing it right fucking now and more about wanting to have a good amount of it in reserve just in case your whole planet suddenly decides to explode. At least, I don't remember them ever mentioning that it was an immediate problem, just that it could happen.

>>83143361
Huh I just realized they hadn't done the whole "the conquerors are civilized, the natives are savages that need to be civilized" shtick yet until this point.

>>83143954
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

>>83145132
It's present in every interaction between the Citadel and the natives.

I mean heck the Citadel calls them "natives".

>>83145423
You're right, what I meant to say was that it wasn't so plainly stated until now.

Well this has been a traumatizing experience for Kyle. I hope the changes made to him stick.

>>83145535
>Kyle with PTSD after being kidnapped by space terrorists.

I'm sorry I don't think it'll stick.

>>83145535
This >>83145588 and even if they were do you really want Venditti handling that?

>>83145535
>I hope the changes made to him stick.
You know they won't

Remember how they vaguely hinted that he had PTSD in GLC? This should be like ten times worse but I'm not expecting Venditti to address it

>>83143563
>>83143714
Talk about ironical

>>83145132
Natives believe the opposite. Tell me anon, are conquers really savages or are they really civilized? What about natives? More importantly what kind of fucked up things King saw that he's raising all these questions?

>>83145742
Civilized and savage are just made up concepts that are used simply as a justification for one's perception of superiority over another group. There is no truth in either of them.

>>83145588
Shame. This gave Rayner an actual character development beyond "muh girlfriend was stuffed in a fridge. Muh second girlfriend was killed. I'm the Mary Sue who can do Lantern shit no other in universe can."

>>83143692
God, I love the use of colors here

>>83145943
Did you even read any of v3 or are you just parroting shit from /co/?

>>83146075
The last sentence is pretty applicable to how Kyle's been treated in the New 52 until Omega Men

>>83143800
This fucking book. The trade can't come too soon.

>>83146001
>Blue
>Orange
>Purple
>Green
>Red
Where is yellow

>>83143645
This is really sad

Poor Kyle

>>83146310
1st panel: blue
2nd: orange
3rd: indigo
4th: purple
5th: green
6th: yellow

>>83146155
Isn't it out in like two months?

>>83146517
Yeah, August I think.

Okay, now I can say that this definitely was my favorite Nu52 book.

>>83143456
I really love this costume for Kyle.

I never cared about Kyle before this book, but right now he's my favorite Lantern. Too bad this feeling will pass with Rebirth.

>>83143732
wait... Earth has a presence in the galactic community? Beyond when the Justice League goes into space?
Since when?

>>83147005
Since now It doesn't really make any sense.

>>83147044
Yeah the last 3 pages make 0 sense... If they had him report to the Guardians of the Universe (they're dead no?) and they said that other people would attack for the stellarium it would kinda make sense, but who the fuck is this general guy?
This makes me worried for the end of Vision...

>>83147124
>This makes me worried for the end of Vision...
Nigga this was a great fucking ending. Just calm your autism and stop nitpicking.

>>83147212
I exclusively mean the pages of Kyle reporting to a random US general who should have no authority over him, or should not even know who the fuck he is.

>>83147124
The Galaxies Committee was established earlier in the book, reread it.

>>83147243
Oh and they make it sound like the the fucking US goverment who sent him in the first place...

>>83147243
His authority comes from being the head of the galactic alliance, somehow.

>>83147124
Templar Guardians are still alive I think. They haven't showed up in a good while but they were never said to have died.

>>83147212
It's not really nitpicking when it comes out of nowhere. Kyle is extremely protective of his identity so why is he randomly talking to some General about space shit even if he is the head of some new Galactic Committee.

>>83147280
>Earth
>0 spaceships
>0 tech to build actual interstellar ships
>head of galactic alliance
OK. I guess in retrospect this book was trash...

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>>83147313
Reread the book.

>>83147274
No they didn't. He said here >>83143669 Kyle didn't inform him.
>>83147313
That is totally nitpicking. The person he's talking to isn't nearly as important as the conversation itself.

I'm a little surprised that King didn't include LEGION in some way. It doesn't seem like Invasion is canon anymore (but who knows with Rebirth) so it would make sense for them to form because of he Citadel instead, and they kinda seem like his kind of thing.

>>83147399
>Ignore character trait
>Nitpicking

Come on son, I enjoyed the hell out of this but those last few pages are wonky as shit. If he was still in his Lantern moniker I'd have no problem with it.

>>83147399
Of course the person who he's talking to is important. That shithead is talking about Earth invading a faraway star system. How? Not even Lex has that kind of tech.

>>83147472
Lex Luthor, the guy who acquired hypnos from an alien?

>>83147472
If the question is retarded it doesn't matter that Kyle has a meaningfull answer to give.

>>83147506
So what, is he gonna buy a whole fleet of warships? Are we pretending we're in James Cameron's Avatar now, not in the DCU? The JL will stand by and wave the invasion fleet good luck?

>>83143494
this is why Scrapps is waife material

>>83147573
It's a galaxies committee, an alliance of more than one planet.

>>83147573
What kind of tech for interstellar flight DC America has kinda differs title from title. And author from author. Fuck it's completely random.

>>83147606
Based on what merit is Earth part of this "alliance?

>>83147637
They have none. None whatso-fucking-ever. Whatever the JL has does not count for Earth's

>>83147641
They have a bunch of people with super powers and super science.

>>83147641
Politics, bro. Same reason the UN general assembly president is often some third world asshat.

>>83143584
for some reasons the viceroy reminds me of King.

>>83147686
That's what caused Invasion! back in the 80's though.

>>83147679
That makes no sense, btw. Earth has been invaded by aliens like a bajilion times, plus all the other non violent visits. I find it hard to believe that somebody has not gotten their hands on some FTL tech SOMEHOW.

>>83147641
Based on what merit is Uganda a member of the UN?

>>83147686
Unless you count supervillains (and they can't control the ones capable of this kind of feats) they have no one they can send as a show of force.
Superman would laugh in their face. So would any of the GLs. Who else is there?
Also let's not forget that the Earth's core is home to Terra's civilization, which is centuries more advanced than the surface world. They can keep the planet safe.

>>83147730
On the basis that the UN is a organization that is purely diplomatic.
It's not NATO.

>>83147729
Earth barely has a presence on the other planets of the solar system.

>>83147769
Supergirl works for the DEO now, so that's one.

>>83147929
Supergirl works for the DEO in much the same way Captain America worked for SHIELD in Winter Soldier. Basically the DEO is her support organization, they have no hope to give her orders she doesn't agree with and have her carry them out.

So this work ofour lord and saviour Mr. CIA guy is completed?

>>83148205
Yes. Waiting for the trade.

>>83147884
Which, again, makes no sense from in universe stand point.

>>83148205
I found the last issue pretty meh. It's a 6/10 when the rest of the series hovered around a 9/10.

>>83147451
Its a character trait that hasn't been important this entire run. I didn't care about it then I don't suddenly care now.

>>83148349
Agreed but that is the case. Earth has no offworld presence beyond the ocasions that Superman or the JL go offworld (the GLs don't count they work for someone else).

>>83147472
It doesn't matter. The conversation is only important in relation to Kyle's character for this entire run.

>>83148440
Well King and Khouri have no fucks to give, feel free to tweet at them about your disappointment over their complete disregard for DC canon.

I thought Carol would show her cute booty in this last issue, I hate her relationship with Kyle but the last she was mentioned was in this title many months ago so...

>>83147884
I mean we can't really do anything on the other planets except for Mars

And Mars had people five years ago

>>83144997
He wouldn't "assume", he would know. And he'd be right.

you know
few words
/co/ and especially /co/mblr is cancer.
however, I want to thank the very few among /co/ who kept praising this book, who didn't let it go, who fought for it. thanks to you, I discovered this book, and for once /co/ was right

anyway, to people who still didn't read it, do it.
however, I wonder if you should start with issue #2, and then read issue #1, t b h, as it might feel confusing at first

>>83149150
Kyle fucked Kalista and told her he loved her, he'd be a real piece of shit to go back to Carol now

She is going to be in HJGLC though

>>83143374
Why would you weaken inertron by alloying it with steel?

>>83150697
He's also kinda a huge shit by not even telling her what happened. A little courtesy call saying "Hey, I got kidnapped but it's okay, I banged a princess and we're breaking up. See ya" would be nice.

>>83144887
I think it might be more this guy trying to recruit Kyle into going back?

Except that doesn't fit with the whole "didn't tell me you were going" bit.

Was Kyle ever in a Justice League in the New 52?

>>83144940
All out War on Vega usually seems like a decent idea.

Vega is terrible.

>>83151241
Vega is filled with creepy and sorta dangerous shit though. Like the Citadel, Larfleeze and Starlag.

>>83151126
We will probably see that happen in HJGLC handled with all the grace and tact one would expect from Robert Venditti

>>83150349
Kill yourself faggot.

>>83150697
>She is going to be in HJGLC though
Huh? But I want to see Hal/Soranik happening? Such a shame...

>>83143714
Knew it.

>>83144997
>tfw no more Cosmic War comics

>>83144842
Larfleeze will return to reclaim Vega and slaughter everyone there.

Then he'll trade all the MacGuffin Minerals for something ostentatious and/or stupid.

>>83145708
That's not ironic. Irony would be if instead of bullets, all guns shot out a healing salve that cured all wounds.

>>83152975
Nah this is pretty damn good irony.

>>83143584
Absolutely savage.

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>>83145535
>>83145588
He has experienced worse

I'm not familiar with this. What is Omega Men?

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>>83153658
My god is an awesome God

>>83151979
>But I want to see Hal/Soranik happening?
I know anon, I know

>>83153661
The Omega Men are an older concept, but for the sake of this run, you really don't need to know much about anyone.

It's basically just a sympathetic look at space terrorists vs. a powerful, corrupt government. Kyle Rayner, a former Green Lantern and now White Lantern, apparently tries to broker peace between the two sides (we finally get glimpses of this in this issue), but is abducted by the space terrorists (aka the Omega Men).

From there, it's really about Kyle trying to do the right thing: create peace and/or save lives. But at least in this area of the universe, neither goal is achievable.

>>83153661
The greatest DC book since Dial H

>>83143471
Oh Kyle I love you a little bit now.

>>83151979
Hal/soranik should still happen and Carol can just get cucked.

>>83143584
Very much as expected, here. Incidentally, I don't have the match in front of me - does the mirror break here?

>>83151976
Why? He said the truth.

>>83143848
A circular ending was always expected, and Kalista was very much set up to take over the Vega system.

If you think back to the conversation with her father - a moment that stays with me over the whole series - when he is describing the other methods of governance in the Vega system, their weaknesses - Kalista is seeing how to conquer. Now I expected a bloodier ending, but this is very much in line with the themes the comic has been hitting and I'm happy with it.

>>83150697
Really why does Carol even bother with all this ring shit? she doesn't have any motivation or reason to stay on as a star sapphire.

>>83144252
Once a barrier has been crossed, it becomes easier and easier to cross. Primus killed to aid the Omega Men and stop the violence and oppression of the citadel.

The people who oppose him do so because of his previous connections with the peace faction. What do you think they are like? Violent interests? Xenophobes? Corporate interests with ties to the citadel? Are they terrorists? Do they kill people? Having accepted violence to end violence, how can he refuse that path now?

Why was the Citadel in charge? It was in charge because it was the most powerful, most violent, most murderous authority. Were the methods these countries used to rule themselves less violent - Tigorr's internecine fighting, Kalista's bloody monarchy? The amoral, ultra-capitalist mercenaries? But NOBODY was more violent and more powerful than the Citadel. The Viceroy had a mad bitch on a leash and how he tried to bring it to heel was his own decision. Now it's Kalista who holds the leash, and Kalista is a mad bitch herself.

The obvious parallel is the Middle East, and the Vega system has always been presented here with its broken-up, disenfranchised societies with their own unique injustices - and the irresolvable problem of the violence in and between them. Kyle's heroism couldn't resolve that: at the end, all he could do was forgive them.

Ehh reading this entire Omega Men runs just makes me miss the classic gang.

Primus being an ineffective leader and Tigorr taking over and managing to take the Cathedral head on and win above everything else

>>83145535
Kyle's ring didn't work at the end. He couldn't recite the oath - but he could still pray.

You can read that in two ways. He's emotionally exhausted for sure, and he feels the politics and authority of the Green Lantern Corps has failed. But is he broken? I don't think so. I think he's achieved a placidity - an acceptance. Having experienced the hurts of the world he is in some small part beyond them. By not opposing, he cannot be opposed.

>>83153879
>The Omega Men are an older concept, but for the sake of this run, you really don't need to know much about anyone.

Probably better if you don't really. Tigorr is the only one who really acts like his older self. Everyone else is pretty different. Specifically Primus.

>>83154587
>>83154625
Yeah it really dials over the previous stuff. But every take on the Omega Men has been separate to some extent. I'm okay with this, there's such a large and disposable cast to the Omega Men that you could revisit them from this and still have it be like the old stuff. But you would miss the core group.

>>83143800
>varieties of religious experience

>>83153269
"if you kill me you will become just like me" is not ironic in the slightest

>>83154417
I don't really know

In Johns run she knew it was important to help out when necessary and she did enjoy it but her life on earth was a huge priority

After Johns she was nearly obsessed with her ring and all she cared about was hanging out in space

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>>83155381

>>83143609
Broot, I think, would not have walked away.

>>83143584
Allahu Akbar!!!

>>83143692
Can we keep this combo (writer+artist) for Kyle? Just Kyle?
I mean... he can work with this character so well.

>>83155673
Plenty of people can work with Kyle, we just got stuck with Raab 2.0 for almost 4 years so everyone thinks that's how he's always been.

>>83155673
He didn't do well at all with Kyle's character, the writing is good, but he ducked a lot of little shit up.

>>83150697
>>83151126
He was kidnapped and told he had a bomb in his neck, im sure he thought of carol as long as it took for Stockholm Syndrome.

Ontop of that, carol Is the one with the power to fucking spear point her loves location anywhere.

>>83155564
She sounds like she got a ring slinging problem, just like Jordan she's addicted to it and now her company has probably been foreclosed and her credit is shot to shit.
>ring shit
>not even once

>>83155999
He drew a picture of Carol in like issue 4 but then he got hot for Kalista

>>83155673
>>83155999
Well, 2 b fair though, even though the run was riddled with small mistakes, It was interesting to see kyle react In a grey zone situation, where he doesn't know what the fuck is right or wrong.

>>83155999
>he ducked a lot of little shit up.
Like what?

>>83156087
We never really found out how long he was being kept prisoner b4 they made snusnu, anyways.

>>83155999
>Ontop of that, carol Is the one with the power to fucking spear point her loves location anywhere
And yet she didn't!

>>83156139
It had been at least a few months by the time they were fucking

>>83156108
Kyle's prominent character, writing things off continuity &/or not giving a fuck about the way things have been done b4. Small shit that added up 2 me.

>>83156216
You know you can type like a human being instead of using numbers, right? Specific examples would also be good.

>>83156151
I know, that's why I'd say it's more of her prob, she was probably all like, oh kyle be dead, hal isnt, hmm hmm.

>>83156184
Yeah, probably enough time to get over a girl who wasn't looking for you, for a girl who is trapped with you and a princess, and is thirsty af

>>83156261
Not him but having him be overtly religious despite never really having any part of that in his past and all the Mexican themed shit when he hated his father and was more into his Irish side of the family. Nothing huge, just changing stuff for the story that wasn't there before.

>>83143714
So what's up with Scrapps? Is he implying that she did something really bad?

>>83156261
It's easier 2 abbreviate saves me time while I'm smoking, if it's too hard I'll stop.

And I'm not trying to get you riled up, I liked the writing and how philosophical it got, along with liking the og omega men, and the costume design.

But as a kyle fan, I saw a lot of errors in how he was portrayed. The writer said "people forget kyle is a character of color". Where he isnt, not really. He is somewhat hispanic from his dad, but portrays all the qualities of the Irish white boy from his mom. There are comics where it's even joked at how white he is.

Another reason, is that Kyle has never been religious, or fluent in spanish, even though it makes sense for him to believe in god, (cuz hal jordan was the spectre ) he was never one for religious paraphernalia.

They had some flaws with who he was towards the beginning, the green lantern &/or white lantern, which made it seem he could have been the kyle rayner from convergence, but we will never know.

Art wise. I like the the new costume, but I don't like how he is now heavily hispanic (but desu, I can get over it, I'm not racist) but the Preachiness with his religious affects got annoying.

Finally, he seemed to always be low on battery as an excuse for not being able to do much. No real constructs were shown, just power blasts and what not.

>>83156338
Yes , that's what I meant, the small stuff, but shit, it didn't stop me from buying all 12 issues.

>>83156368
I don't think anything was really publicly solved, so they prob never even updated scraps as a hero, just always been a villain and no one cared less

>>83156656
Kyle turned to religion in times of need, as was shown in second issue.

>>83156811
But he's never done so before, even in worse situations. I'm not arguing the comic is bad, I'm just saying it could've been better.


Tbh tho they should've had it be convergence kyle. They could've done anything. And it would've explained why no one was looking for him and why he doesn't go to oa at the end just for the fuck of it.

>>83156729
They're kind of left her open to go on and found the traditional Omega Men IMO. Or any other group. She's very directly set up as not the same as Kalista here.

>>83157139
Oh, yeah, I didn't mean she was always a villain, just that, the people only saw her as a villain and they couldn't care less to remedy it.

>>83157224
Rolling this into LEGION would be godly, but Scrapps maybe isn't the character for that. Alone, on an abandoned planet, a desperate Scrapps runs into Vril Dox. He tells her to fuck off.

>>83156057
Maybe Dr Manhatan was meddling with her mind since the end of the Johns run, maybe she reminds him of the Silk Spectre or something like that(???)
>>83156656
It was a bit annoying and upsetting to me that racial stuff in the run and I'm Mexican, felt a bit too forced to me but I think thats usual nowadays...

>>83157541
EXACTLY, it was just frustrating is all, but whenever I tell someone what I think of it, they generally dismiss it because it sounds racist, shit.

>>83155999
>He didn't do well at all with Kyle's character
You're right, this is the first time I cared about the guy, so it's definitely not the usual Kyle.

>>83156656
Eh, I'm happy with how he worked a lot of the stuff from later Kyle into this post-reboot book. The Mexican dad might have been a shitty Winick retcon, but there's no real reason not to take it and do something with it, because we're never going back to the early Marz days.

>>83157726
Well, im glad you liked it I guess, it wasn't the overline story that had problems though, I'm a kyle fan so the small shit upset me. If you don't normally like kyle, and u like him now, it's just your preference on a newish character. (Because this is a newer kyle)

>>83157871
Yeah, I agree, I just didn't like how he kept some continuity of kyle, while blatantly ignoring other things that go hand in hand with what he kept

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>>83157967
Venditti just posted this on Twitter. Kyle goes fom King to Venditti...lol

>https://twitter.com/robertvenditti/status/735599022824640512

Did any of you catch how the ring was drawn differently in the earlier issues of this comic. It was a newer "simpler" (lazier) white lantern symbol, that was sometimes not drawn the right side up

>>83157967
Such as...I mean, a lot of Kyle continuity is really difficult to work with post-reboot?

>>83158059
VENDITTI??? NOOOOOO!!!

>>83157459
>Vril gets called in by the Galactic Committee to clean up Kyle's mess.

>>83157459
Depends on if she's useful or not, and if he can gain something from treating her well/badly.

>>83157967
>Yeah, I agree, I just didn't like how he kept some continuity of kyle
I agree. Kyle should be retconned out entirely.

>>83157541
>Dr. Manhattan is responsible for Kyle/Carol
THAT MONSTER

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>>83158059
Oh my god.
let's hope to have hope


>>83158087
Power sets and other things mentioned, I don't wanna go into it, I've already said enough.

>>83158311
why you mad bro, Kyle contributes, inb4 u say he is a special snowflake. Literally almost everyone is a special snowflake

>>83158311
Johns please, we know you don't like Kyle because he makes Hal look bad but you have to get over it.

>>83158286
That's kind of what I mean. You can't have LEGION without Vril, but Vril would take ownership from her of this whole thing, and she's the survivor.

>>83158311
Why, what can u say that isn't stupid little bickering giving you reason to wish him out of continuity.

>>83158432
Hehe

>>83158374
>"love was missing"
>love based superhero suddenly turned into a retarded bitch
it all makes sense now!

>>83158232
>Vril is done with Lanterns
>All of them
>Next person with a ring gets arrested for existing

>>83158087
This is true. The two girlfriends that he had post Alex got erased, and there was no Alan Scott to mentor him ever. Or Wally/Connor to Hal/Barry/Ollie around with.

>>83143326
>tfw only have 5-10 and original no. 1

kill me

>>83158087
>>83158580
Yes, because I don't know how many of you remeber but his origins at the start of new 52 was a mess. At first we got to see the origin he had from emerald twilight (or whatever that story was called) but fast forward a year or so and we got to see that Kyle started with the Corps while Oa was fine. Like Hal never went Pharralax, yet he still did all the things he did when he was the only lantern

>>83158059
>Everybody is getting Venditti'd now

good, if I have to put up with Venditti for this long it's only fair that everyone has to

So I really want to make sure I have this straight, and the history right.

The Citadel is a huge universal polity of which the Vega Systems are only one star system of several/many they control.

A long time ago, the Vega Systems were left alone from Green Lantern patrols due to an agreement with Larfleeze who lived on this desolate rock in the system, and didn't move around.

The Citadel was founded by a conquering king named Alpha, whom i the members of the Citadel grew to worship as a god.

When the Vega system was found, the Citadel attacked and conquered it, and it is now a fractured state only held together by spit and sweat from the forces of the Citadel, represented by someone named the Viceroy.

There are 6 planets in the system.

Euphorix, the first conquered by Vega and led by a displaced noble clan of the Citadel, exiled for only thinking of Alpha as a mere mortal and king, their forefather, instead of as a god. The Brahmins, the name of that clan, are an upper class that rules by killing the natives and making them fearful. Kalista is the princess and heir to the planet.

Ogyptu is a place where the Citadel citizens rule by making its natives their slaves. The native slaves have started a nonviolent peace movement under Primus.

Changalyn is where the native religion of the Vega system is practiced. The worship of a god named Omega who will bring an end to all things. The Citadel pays off the Church to not make trouble. Broot came from here as a priest.

Karna hasn't been conquered yet. Its natives, a cat like species, is divided among tribal lines that have allied to fight the Citadel day after day. Tigorr comes from here, taken as a trophy by the Citadel from a particularly fierce tribe.

Hyn'xx is a capitalistic society where the natives live freely. It's about as neutral a place it can get.

Voorl is a place where when the Citadel first came, the natives put up a planetary shield where they're kept safe to this day. Scrapps comes from here.

One day, Kyle Rayner now having godlike powers, decides he can do the impossible and negotiate true lasting peace between the Citadel and the natives of the Vega System.

He surrenders his ring and is taken prisoner by the Omega Men in the middle of peace talks and the story moves on to what we see in the issues.

Most notable is that Voorl was actually conquered a decade or so ago, but no one knows about it. This is because everyone on Voorl was killed to mine a very special natural resource every other planet in the universe wants. The Citadel lets everyone think that Voorl is safe behind their shield while they sell this mineral to prevent riots after people find out they committed genocide.

Other planets who might know about the operation ignore the slaughter because the mineral is too important.

The Omega Men are a group of terrorists who found out about Voorl and resist the Citadel for their own wants, wanting to free their own planets.

Is that all right?

Now my question is who the hell is Omega? That religion was never made clear, nor do I know if it has any real connection to the Alpha the Citadel worships.

>>83143584

damn it

>>83155381
>"if you kill me you will become just like me"
No one said that.

>>83144842

No, the best idea would be to just let the mess sort itself out

>>83143669
just how big is King's Watchmen boner

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>>83160300
Who do you think, anon?

>>83143800
>Are you them or are you us?
>I'm me

>>83161605
Yeah, forgot about this

>>83160144
>>83160300
So has anybody explained where Tamaran is in this new DCU? Because pre-Flashpoint, Tamaran was one of the planets of the Vega system. Kory was a Citadel slave.

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>>83143800
>same quote from issue 1

>>83161408
I bet someone at DC wants him to write a sequel.

>>83165368
Hey, if All Star Section 8 got a sequel...

>>83165368
If someone currently at DC has to write Watchmen II, it better be King

>>83158059
>Venditti has the Sinestro and his glorious Corps.
> Venditti has Kyle.

Oh god.... we're in for it aren't we? We're so gonna witness the utter destruction of all that Johns' laid out?

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>>83165057
>it's at the beginning of the book
>and the end
>the alpha
>and omega

>>83165681
That pretty much already happened

Now he's probably just going to get to the final thing Venditti has yet to ruin from Johns' run, Hal/Sinestro

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>>83165763
He seemed to handle them fine during Godhead.

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>>83165860
That's just to lull you into a false sense of security

>Venditti undid everything else from Johns' run and ruined literally every relationship Hal had, surely this one is safe since he didn't discard it immediately at the first opportunity!

>>83156656
>Never been religious
True. But I think it's a good nod to the absolute dire situation that he was in for him to turn to something familiar. In this case, religion.
>Spanish
I liked it. I think having Kyle speak Spanish is a neat way to tie him to his dad and his dad's family. I liked them fleshing out that side of his family. He's still the same Kyle, just a bit more fleshed out. And I'm all for more Mexican-American heroes. It's different, but it's a good kind of different. He's still the same Kyle we knew.

>>83143714
What the fuck, Primus. God damn it, Kalista.

>>83154091
It's mirrored page is >>83143471 as well as Tigor's intro page back in issue 1.

>>83165922
>Venditti undid everything else from Johns' run and ruined literally every relationship Hal had

Now to be fair, Johns did the same thing.

>>83150349
Start with the free sneak peak "Issue #0". It's basically an ISIS video but it sets up the Omega Men and their initial motivations.

>>83144695
This is my takeaway as well. It lays it on a bit thick, but the idea that this colorful space adventure is a metaphor for very real, ugly, intractable wars we have here on our own stupid mudball has been the juice of this series since the first panel. This really establishes Kyle as a standin for America in term of symbolic, powerful interveners, as well as for King himself, looking back on what he's accomplished.

Nailed the landing.

>>83168373
What do you mean?

>>83144785
I haven't read all the issues of this, I think, but EVERY single fucked up thing that you see seems to be based on an actual political outcome that really happened.

Particularly shit like this page.
>>83143714

Play "name that fucked up country".

Had to visit 4 stores to find a copy, but I got it. It's been a wild ride.

>>83161393
Leave the oil resources in the hands of the nazis? The soviets? The Arabs? Completely unacceptable. The commander in chief wants at least 3 state department options, and at least 3 military options on his desk by 0800 tomorrow.

>>83168519
When Johns came on board to Green Lantern he basically just said fuck it to what came before and rewrote it to what he wanted. Hal was being a foster father to his niece whose parents died, she was gone and never mentioned again after Rebirth. Guy suddenly has organ failure as his body is rejecting the Vuldarian side of him and is suddenly A-OK/"purified" when he gets a new Green Ring. John gets his new military man persona which I'm sure everyone hates. Parallax actually being a fear bug, Carol getting a divorce from her husband, the lost Lanterns somehow ending up on the manhunter world when we already saw them all a few years back, Parallax being the reason the lanterns couldn't beat Yellow despite the Guardians having always said they did that shit on purpose to keep the lanterns humble, Hals entire Rogues Gallery becoming non-existent except for Sinestro. Killing fucking Nero in Sinestro Corps War. I'm still mad

A lot of his run was fantastic, but he threw away a lot of shit when he started.

>>83168759
I was thinking more in terms of Hal specifically

Johns changed a lot of shit and threw a lot of things out but it's hard to argue that he at least still contributed stuff overall to the GL line and he at least replaced the stuff he tossed or used it to build more things on, yes?

Venditt's thrown things out left and right and what's he given to the GL franchise overall? Relic and a reservoir full of limited emotional energy (that he himself has deliberately been ignoring nearly as long as he used it?)

>>83168895
I actually like Relic as a concept. Just a guy who survived the recreation of the Galaxy and wants to do SCIENCE rather than beat people up.

>>83143732
It says Army, but this guy could easily be Wade Eiling, in thought and style.

>>83169018
Eiling wouldn't be asking, he'd be telling him he's for Earth or done. No questions.

>>83147324
maybe ARGUS has them and they're just bad at sharing

>>83169189
Maybe this Eiling has learned from dealing with Nate and there's a bit more carrot and the stick is hidden behind the chair

>>83168958
He's not horrible but I don't think he's done anything particularly interesting yet

Boop

>>83168958
He's DC Galactus and you know it.

Since when does Earth plan wars with the Vega system? Since when does Earth do anything with space aside be invaded and send out lone supers?

>>83147372
There are 0 Americans in that Committee. Unless the USA managed to gain a seat and rise to the head off screen the ending is bad. And if they did do all that off screen then the book is bad.

>>83173692
So...should he be having the conversation with Viril Dox instead?

>>83173692
That's the Citadel talking about what the Committee wants, not the Committee itself

>>83173250
Since Dr. Manhattan made it part of his fanfiction

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>>83158059
More bits from HJ&GLC Rebirth from same sauce

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>>83174354

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>>83174371

>>83174354
>>83174371
Why don't we have any Kilowog solo stories? He's gotta have some interesting stuff to tell.

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>>83174385

And the first color unlettered page, from EVS

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EVS photo of Green Lanterns Rebirth and variant

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HJ&GLC #2 cover by Rafa Sandoval

Inker is Jordi Tarragona and colorist is Morey

>>83174420
>Sinestro is now old and no longer sexy who authorized this

Damn, I wish I'd gotten into this but it slipped under my radar. Feel like I missed out

>>83174736
Wonderful time to make a couple his daughter and his best frenemy, in Venditti I trust...

>>83174880
Trade comes out in August.

>>83173736
Would Vril be interested in Stellarium? He's practically exiled from his home planet, which should have technology advanced enough to save the planet anyway, and he isn't totally OK with just invading places and treating the people who live there badly. He could be manipulating the council for one reason or another but idk if he would bother with Kyle if that was the case.

>>83170470
But ARGUS is the only decent organization Earth has. It's every other one that is shady as fuck.

>>83176522
Hardcover?

>>83176533
Vril is completely on board for few vs. the many math but with this problem in particular I think he'd just try to invent a solution. Or tell them all to start living in space.

Or, IDK, give them a lecture where he points out the frequency of universe-threatening events and that probability dictates they're all likely to die before planet-exploding-overcrowding even begins to become a problem.

>>83176592
Oh, yes, I can see that lecture. Something like that does sound like a pretty likely scenario if someone was to remember that he exists.

And it shouldn't be that hard for him and whatever associates he has at the time to come up with another solution either. Though he probably wouldn't give it to them for free...

>>83176772
>Vril proposes uploaded the minds of everyone on a doomed planet into a Coluan mind bank, thus preserving their existence at minimal cost and space
>Comparisons to the *primitive* Kryptonian phantom zone are totally unwarranted, thank you very much

The route into LEGION probably won't be taken. But it could be something like Scrapps is captured by the Dominators while Vril is their prisoner. Reboot LEGION, Vril decides to solve the security problem in the Vega system. Not because he feels strongly about it, but because solving that proves he can solve anything.

This would mean overwriting the old run though, and why do that?

>>83164484

In New Guardians it was shown to be apart of the Vega system still. Why it was never mentioned or shown in The Omega Men I'm not sure.

Also where was Larfleeze?

>>83158059

...So is he still a White Lantern? Or back to being a Green Lantern?

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>>83176899
>Tied in with a LoSH story of "why is the Coluan hive mind filled with random people"

Based Giffen gave us this in Larfleeze so Vril probably isn't in prison anymore anyway, and with Rebirth happening we can just consider the old runs canon again. Which means Vril operates out of Vega and would probably decide to fix the place up for his own sake.

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>>83176582
>THE OMEGA MEN: THE END IS HERE TP
>Written by TOM KING
>Art by BARNABY BAGENDA, TOBY CYPRESS and IG GUARA
>Cover by TREVOR HUTCHISON
>The Omega Men are back in an all-new series! They’ve murdered White Lantern Kyle Rayner, and now the universe wants them to pay! Who are these intergalactic criminals—and is there more to their actions than meets the eye? The entire, acclaimed 12-issue series is collected here!
>On sale AUGUST 24 • 288 pg, FC, $24.99 US

>>83177000
EVS wouldn't say

>>83168759
I don't see how he changed the yellow weakness thing. He just explained how the guardians brought about the weakness.

>>83177137
Let's hope the trade will sell enough. I'm glad Didio saw the potential and didn't cancelled the series

>>83177795
I'm just sad it doesn't come out before SDCC, I'd love to own a signed copy.

>>83174396
Well, there was that time a bunch of ex-Green Lanterns brought him back from the dead in a satanic ritual and had him go try to kill Kyle then eventually got pulled back into Bolovaxian Hell where Kyle had to go in there and save him. He was only around for 6 or 7 years before being killed off then was dead until maybe a year before Rebirth so he doesn't have many stories to tell. I wish he'd go back to being a medic, I liked that part of him

>>83143326
overrated

>>83178461
Don't forget Kilowog also helped Russia make the Rocket Reds

Being Kilowog is suffering, he's always ignored and nobody remembers anything he used to do then they keep replacing him

>>83178707
wouldn't say it was bad, but i really do feel like Vision is a better book.

>>83179321
The guy just wanted some sense of community but all the Communist places kept taking advantage of him. Then when he finally has the chance to bring all of Bolovax Vik back, Sinestro blows up the planet he dumps them on.

>>83179394
I love Vision, but I think Omega Men is better.

>>83143326
Question: lately i've been reading Vision and really loving it, and i've seen a lot of praise for this Omega Men always by King, but i've never heard of such characters, is it the kind of book that requeires some extent of prior knowledge to fully enjoy or can i just dive into it?

>>83179603
> is it the kind of book that requeires some extent of prior knowledge to fully enjoy or can i just dive into it?

The Omega Men are pretty D-Lister and you don't need to know any background info on them for this, King takes some liberties with how they are portrayed.

>>83179603
Nope, not really. I mean it's a plus if you know who Kyle is, but I haven't read anything with him in years prior to this and still loved everything about it.

>>83179667
>>83179696
Alright, thanks

>>83179505
It is and it's not even close. Only read two issues of SoB but that might be even better.

>>83180062
Yeah, Sheriff's my favorite book right now.
As for King's writing, I'd say it goes
Sheriff>Omega Men>Hal Jordan oneshot>Vision>Grayson
But that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy Grayson.

>>83180527
It's hard to judge the GL one shot since it was a done in one tie in to something else although it is my personal favorite

I think Omega Men has had the most care and crafting put into it

I think Green Lantern's future looks bleak, as in Bendis XMen bad.
At least before we had Sinestro and Omega Men.

>>83181349
>I think Green Lantern's future looks bleak, as in Bendis XMen bad.

Eh, Venditti may have some off moments but he at least can tell a story. Hals time on Earth was great. Bendis on the other-hand can have a half year long story arc that gets fixed in 4 pages due to time travel.

>>83173250
Maybe it's not a human at all, but some human-like alien or alien in human form? That was what I assumed while reading through it, since it being a human makes absolutely no sense.

>>83181349
Venditti is meh but he's nowhere near Bendis bad, he at least had some decent spots in GL

Humphries on the other hand...

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Buy a lot of Batman, guys.

>>83183423
What if I buy 15 Omega Men trades

>>83184479
I think that won't hurt.

Khouri is saying the trade will have a lot of extras in it.

>>83184750
I hope they include King's ridiculous layout thumbnails