New 52 Breakdown

>>83002907
>Wonder Woman has a twin brother
This intrigues me.

>>83002907
Does this mean we get back the old Harley Quinn?

What the fuck does the button mean? Was it just a cheap reveal that LMAO MANHATTAN WAS BEHIND IT? There's absolutely no reason it would be in the batcave unless they're trying to say that the rest of the characters somehow made it there too.

>>83002977
Nubia and Donna were already this before so it's not even new lol

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What the fuck

I'm even more confused about the DCU now.

- What happend to the multiverse and timeline post Convergence and the preNu52 heroes going back to the COIE?

- So is the Nu52 universe the old pre Nu52 one with 10 years munched out of it making it grim?

- How in anyway would Comedians badge end up in the Batcave and why?

- What's the history of the characters?

The wiki pages on DC character histories are a headache as it is. Now they'll just be a disaster zone.

>>83003091
Yeah, its just there for metatextual purposes

>The New 52 was a mistake
BRAVO JOHNS

>>83002907
three jokers sounds dumb as shit,

>>83003200
I guarantee you are thinking about it more than they did. Just read the stories, everything is canon.

>>83002907
>Wonder Woman has a twin brother
>Azz cast was just completely destroyed
If her Rebirth book didn't have such a perfect team I'd be really brought down by this shit.

>>83002995
Never

Unless they start doing comics based on the DCAU again.

>>83003299
It's like the only thing that makes sense.

>>83003429
Why should there be three anyway?

>>83002907
>and new Joker from New52 of Greg Capullo and Scott Snyder.

Does this mean I have to read that piece of shit? I have up after like 6 issues

>>83002907
>Thomas Wayne was The Comedian

>>83003235
>Zach Snyder was a mistake
BRAVO JOHNS

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>>83003525
Forgot muh pic

>>83003429
>he doesn't believe in Super-Sanity.

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>>83002907
Why did Doctor Manhattan turn Alan scott/flash/Aqualad gay?

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>>83003200
>- How in anyway would Comedians badge end up in the Batcave and why?
>why?

>>83003525
>his final words to Bruce were "it's time to shit"

>>83002907
So i dont get it. I understand watchmen is supposedly becoming canon with regular DC but what else about this is so big that it has people angry?

Why did you post unmarked spoilers in an OP
why

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>>83003656
Thomas Wayne was The Comedian

>yfw Batman talks about how a Comedian died and nobody cared

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>>83003618
>needing a reason to turn people into faggots

Does this mean that Dr.Manhattan is working with the Gentry?

>>83003733

Did he rape martha (joker)?

>>83002907
welp, time to fully commit to Valiant and Nu-Vertig-- i mean Image since I'm officially done with the big 2 now

>>83003838
Okay then do it instead of just saying so

>>83003799
It means Geoff Johns is a servant of the Gentry.

>>83003733
The thought is amusing, as batman during flashpoint could be the comedian but him being killed by a low thug just doesn't make sense

>>83002907
>Ted Kord is alive again
He's been alive since Forever Evil when Johns introduced him but then didn't do anything with him afterwards.

>>83003838
Nobody will miss you

>>83003200
>- How in anyway would Comedians badge end up in the Batcave and why?
the audience needed to know that Watchmen are now part of the DC universe.

>>83003712

To a long time comics reader it seems like a stupid desperate move to intertwine a clear finite realistic story in with DC's cape comics and blame it for why their editors fucked up the new 52 relaunch.

Reactions are mixed. Sure myself and lots think it's ass retarded but lots of people love it.

>>83003838
Bye Felicia

>>83003799
>Multiversity will likely be ignored by the majority of DC
>we will never see any reference to the Gentry, Multiverse 2, or Ultra Comics

>>83003940
But don't you see? That thug is now Ozymandias.

>>83003712
DC doesn't understand Watchmen, they think what matters are the characters and not everything else around them.

The characters in Watchmen are empty shells, copies, a showcase of stereotypes of what was around them at the time. Having those characters in the main DC is just DC parodying themselves.

I'm not upset, because in the end they can't touch the Watchmen story. Same reason why comic book movies don't rustle my jimmies, doesn't matter how shit they are.

I'm just disappointed, it's beyond gimmicky.

>Manhattan
What is Jon trying to accomplish and why is he so terrible at it?

>>83003883
>>83003970
>>83004015


>unless you're willing to do nothing but bitch about it all day long with us, shut up!

>>83004049
If its reconenned that he died in the ally and not out of a high rise apartment

>>83003110
Nubia was never her twin sister

>>83004014
Being dark and grim doesn't make it realistic or stop it from being a cape comic.

>>83004120
I'm confused. You ARE bitching.

>>83004079

This. Whoever is currently at DC didn't understand Watchmen at all.

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Quick someone tell Alan Moore this great news!!!

>>83002907
>Geoff Johns brought back classic Wally West...but put him in Kid-Flash costume.
This more or less summarizes Geoff Johns in a lot of ways.

>Sinestro War
>Oh hey Kyle-WHOOPS looks like you're Parallax now! Haha, you're a weak piece of bitch ain't you Kyle? Yes you are, yes you are. Good thing Hal's here to beat your ass and save you in one. He also revived the GLC too and punched out Batman. Actually something seems odd about all this...

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>>83004079
This

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>New52 is all an angel's dream

>>83003618
where did they say that flash was gay??

>>83004193

You clearly didn't understand Watchmen in the way current DC don't. It being dark and grim isn't what makes it realistic. It's that the characters act like real people and the plot and the world logically follows what the characters and history of it set up. It's what capes would be if they happened in the real world. Fuck even me as a pre teen got that ffs.

Why didn't they just make a new character with a powerset similar to Manhattan?

>>83004120
>implying I'm bitching
I think this sounds more interesting than the direction the New 52 was heading beforehand which is nowhere

>>83004385

Because nobody would care?

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>>83002907
>Pandora (remember her?) is dead.

>people unironically still buy DC comic books

>>83002907
>In the New 52 there was JSA, but someone erased all mention of its existence.

Did they get sent to Limbo again?

>>83002907
>New Dr. Fate said that Scarab Blue Beetle is not extraterrestrial technology, it’s magic.

WHOA WAIT WHAT THE FUCK

EXPLAIN

Eventually the reboots will be so close together we'll achieve a reboot singularity

>>83004295
alan moore is beyond the point of giving a shit anymore my guy

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>>83002907
>Pandora (remember her?) is dead.
That's kind of sad. She was used for the one plot line that when fuck all no where and then died
>Wonder Woman has a twin brother
hawt

>Darkseid is reborn in the body of the child of SuperWomen

pic related

>>83004520
That's pretty much all we know right now.

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> introducing watchmen into mainline DCU
> retcon worser than OMD/BND IT WUZ ALL A DREAM OF BLUE DICK
> 3 jokers
> comedian in the batcave
> wonder woman has twin brother completely destroying her character
> simultaneously nerfing blue dick because wally escaped and remembered everything even though manhattan is literally a god
> shitting on the few good parts of the nu52 with "muh dream"
> will create even more crazy continuity errors than nu52 with the watchmen characters being shoehorned into the background of all important dc events and history

i think cereal man bit off more than he could chew. should've just had prime come back and punch everything back to normal

Wait if Watchmen is canon with the DCU Multiverse then what does that mean for Earth 4?

Is it sort of like the thing where Post-Crisis the JSA got folded into New Earth, but when the Multiverse was recreated after Infinite Crisis it made a new copy of Earth 2 with the original Pre-Crisis characters instead of removing the JSA from the main Earth-0?

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>>83004581
Do it anyway!!!!

>>83004079
>Having those characters in the main DC is just DC parodying themselves.
I REALLY feel like Grant should write something about this, it sounds up his alley.
I feel like he already sort of has, but I need it to be about this specific situation because it is so comically absurd it needs to be addressed.

This actual, literal snake eats tail oroboros stuff right here.

>>83004601

They made Apocalypse cute so I wonder about Darkseid's look.

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How does V for Vendetta fit into this brave new world?

>Watchmen is now canon to the DCU

This could either be fucking amazing or a disaster DC will never recover from. It could literally go either way.

This is going to be one wild ride.

>>83004691
>This actual, literal snake eats tail oroboros stuff right here.

I'm sure we could blame all of this on the Empty Hand.

>>83004626
Yes

>>83004697

He is terrorist that dies from meaningless cause.

>>83004688
You didn't mean to post that did you?

>>83003618
He read too many fanfics. It... it changed hik

>>83003429
As opposed to him deliberately changing his style and persona to mirror Bruce? Fuck off.

>>83004614
>BLUE DICK
> 3 jokers
> comedian in the batcave
Reading these points like this creates a hilarious image.

>>83004860
The 3 points you chose sound like an ASS style opening and frankly it's hilarious

>>83004688
She's.....actually really cute.

>>83003091
the button was buried with comedian and batcave is underground. it makes perfect sense.

>>83004737

Huh, so then I imagine it something like this

>Doctor Manhatten ascends into a higher plane
>fucks around with the general structure of the Omniverse
>At this point chronologically we are post-Crisis so the effects are not seen in the rest of the DCU because it is disconnected from any part of the multiverse
>Infinite Crisis happens, Multiverse is reinstated but the Watchmen universe has reverted back to classic Charlton
>Dr. Manhattan fucks around with universe some more (in an attempt to recreate the Watchmen universe?)
>creates the New 52 via Barry's actions in Flashpoint
>post-Flashpoint Earth-4 is now noticeably more similar to Watchmen as seen in Multiversity

Interesting.

>>83002907
USE SPOILERS, YOU DUMB FAGGOT.

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>>83004860
>>83004892
Someone get to work on this.

>>83004614
>> shitting on the few good parts of the nu52 with "muh dream"

There were no good parts of the nu52, though.

Can somebody explain what the "3 jokers exist now" thing is?

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>>83002907
>Wally West, kept all his memories but put him in Kid-Flash costume.

Fuck. I fucking hate Wally West. As long as it's him sharing the spotlight with Barry instead of replacing him again, I guess it's alright

>>83005123
3 Jokers exist now, apparently

>there are people in this thread right now who think watchmen wasnt shit

>>83005123

"The Joker" has actually been three different people all playing the same character at different points.

It's now a legacy character of sorts.

>>83004079
>muh special snowflakes

Dude, all the Watchmen cast is are grimdark AUs of Charlton characters with minor quirks to make them a tiny bit different. They were never special or untouchable.

Honestly, this whole NUUUUU DONT TOUCH MUH WATCHMEN is getting to be too much. I fucking love the comic, but it's so flawed and dated, and having people compare what Johns is doing to someone writing a sequel to fucking Hamlet or whatever other disproportionate shit is flying around is so retarded. It's time to take it off the pedestal and move on.

Wait if 3 Jokers exist, couldn't we also say 3 Barbara Gordon's exist?

1 as Burnside
1 as an older serious interpretation ala Gail Simone
1 as Oracle.

Everyone is happy.

>>83004776
Got your attention

>>83005251
>Dude, all the Watchmen cast is are grimdark AUs of Charlton characters with minor quirks to make them a tiny bit different. They were never special or untouchable.

That is literally, exactly what I said.

>>83002907
>DC takes their best selling comic in the history of their company
>combines it with their other IP's
>DC proves they are unoriginal hacks.

>>83004614
We don't even know if the other Crinebusters will even show up. Two of them are dead, the other two are in hiding, and I don't think Veidt would have any reason to go to the DCU.

>>83005251
Anon's point was that the most interesting story about these characters was already told, so there's no point to bringing them back. They have no purpose outside that one book.

>>83005215
EEEEWWWWW

That's horrible.

It really diminishes the joker as a concept if three different people can achieve "jokerhood".

The point was that he was way too crazy and no one could fully predict/handle him -though bats count counter him, most of the time-.

If it's something three different people can do, it gets really "weaker".

Oh dear, at least one of them will end up being a woman too.

Ugh.

>>83005340
dc needs to make some kind of public statement about this already, it's already blowing out of proportion. either we get the rest of the cast or we don't, it would literally take five seconds to clear up.

>>83004079
I get the feeling that's the point Geoff's trying to go for...

DC never got the continual Watchmen money train they wanted so they tried to twist and contort the DC universe to be as Watchmen as possible

Having Mr. Manhattan literally pick up the DC Universe and stick his dick in it is just metatextualizing what DC has done over the last couple of decades

>>83005446
We already know who the three Jokers are.

It's Jerry Robinson Joker, Killing Joker Joker, and Endgame Joker.

>>83005341
not that dude but i would kind of like to see how realistic, true to life "heroes" handle being thrown into what is, for all intents and purposes, something their world would regard as a cartoon or power fantasy. it would be two completely different ways of life conflicting, and I think a good writer can do a lot with the idea.

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>>83002907
>Wonder Woman has a twin brother
Wow really DC? that's where you take your inspiration now?

>>83002907

So... all this happened, and Barbara Gordon is still Batgirl and her life is the same as it was going from #52 to #1.

I really don't what Rebirth's 10 stolen years mean or how it affects everyone.

>"The Joker" is a sickness that affects people throughout history and has just decided to terrorize Gotham City in recent times.

>>83002907
>Geoff Johns brought back classic Wally West, kept all his memories but put him in Kid-Flash costume.
But why Kid Flash? And why is there ALSO black Kid Flash in the same outfit? Is this Wally the same Wally from post-Crisis? Is he younger?

>>83005557
have they ever shared the position simultaneously? i haven't kept up but endgame joker is out of the picture now after the amnesia thing right? but he also knows bruce is batman if he ever regains those memories as far.

so what happened to the other 2 jokers? is it like a joker cult what leads into the creation of the next

>>83005620
I actually believe this. In the "joker" visual novel the ending really makes you think that the joker itself is something surreal, something that's been affecting people from the very beginnigmadness. wrath. hate. you name it.

>>83005340
a few of them will be transported into the DC universe like at the end of the unused sam hamm watchmen script

>>83005691
No idea. All we know is that there's three.

The 3 Jokers things is just pre, post and post-FP Jokers

>>83005682
To visually seperate him from Barry.
Because Wally will get a new outdit and name assumedly after the one shot
Yes
No

>>83005731

it totally is

Accept the Goddamn Watchmen /co/

>>83005732
fucking cock teases.

>>83004555
Every issue will be #1.

>>83004691
His Batman and action comics were about the same thing. Especially the action comics reboot, which was meta commentary about corporate meddling and reboots and retcons.

>>83005536
This is just something DC is accustomed to do (to be fair, I would have to include Marvel and many other companies in here). It hails from back in the Cap Marvel days and Charlton days, this is their way.

They recently did it with the Wildstorm Universe, they now have both Midnighter and Apollo with Batman and Superman in the same universe. Why? There is no good reason. M&A are a direct reinterpretation of B&S, narrative wise it makes no sense having them share a universe, but they earn a little more cash when things are in continuity.

This is coming from a guy who fucking loved the recent Midnighter by the way.

Also, I do have to commend Marvel on not just absorbing Miracleman into continuity, though I'm sure it will come sooner rather than later.

>>83002907
Why is the entire text of the OP not spoilered?

>>83004079
Dude every single comic book writer has probably studied the book enough to write a fucking essay about it. You're not special you know.

>>83002907
>three jokes
I actually like the sound of that

>>83005929
cause it's not leaked?

>>83005771
Christ Almighty!

>>83005732
wait, wait

there have been three, or there are three


are all 3 alive and active right now?
or 2 dead/inactive?

>>83005922
But they did make Angela canon... And in just as convoluted a manner as this...

Frankly, I suspected that Marvel will make MM canon as soon as the reprints are done and Gaiman's run is finally finished...

>>83005945
>You're not special you know.

At least I got a few (You)'s out of it :^)

I think there's been three total.
You know those impossible situations where he should have died that there's no way he could have escaped from?

I think think he DID escape.
See here; >>83001011

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Only thing worth waiting for

>>83005948

I've always liked the idea of "Joker" being a sort of memetic virus or contagious madness rather than just one crazy person with stupid amounts of plot armor.

>>83005945
That defensive response doesn't dismiss his point. If someone reads all the course material, writes essays in a stenciled fashion like everyone else but still repeatedly fails the test when it comes to applying the ideas creatively then it's all the more telling about how "special" their needs are.
DC of all publishers having worked with Moore and Gibbons to get firsthand insight on the matter have no excuse.

>>83006147
it could explain new 52 harley moving past joker and changing

endgame joker was not her joker

>>83006147
>>83001011
I think you might be closer to the truth then you think.

>>83006087
>I wonder who this guy is that Anon decided to post him.
>first thing on his Twitter is begging for Patreon money

>>83006130
Young Animal is gonna be the best.
Hopefully Way's presence gives it enough attention to last a bit.

>>83005945
>Dude every single comic book writer has probably studied the book enough to write a fucking essay about it
This is bait.

>>83006225

Yeah that was what I was going for.

Sort of like how Gotham, the tv show, is running with it right now

>>83006038
The spoilers make it sound like all three are alive, but past that we don't know.

>>83002907
>people hated New 52
>it was actually Doc's fault
>not a space squid
Damage Control Comics

>>83006109
I hated Angela, and Spawn, and all that shit back in the day so I haven't read any Angela in the MU, thank god. I'm sure it's as shit as you say.

Miracleman will also be dumb as fuck, and I'm also fully expecting it to be done very soon.

>>83006087
I'm already seeing people calling Watchmen a black spot in comics' history. It's baffling how far fanboys can go just to suck cereal man's cock

This industry is fucking absurd, as time goes on big 2 comics mostly read like a cheap Mexican telenovela (exceptions exist of course)
Is it just me getting jaded? I'm 21 and feeling too old for this shit

>>83005123
Remeber that TWKY sketch about SWVII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmRHy3cu31M

Geoff Jones is the kid.
>3 jokers!

>>83006344

I'm 26 and think you're full of shit and need to lighten up.

>>83002907
I liked Pandora

>>83005727
lORD bROKEN?

I love how people are getting this entire Dr Manhattan thing from one panel possibly suggesting the existence of the Watchmen.

Absolutely nothing to actually suggest anything of the sort beyond fan theory.

>>83006258
I also don't think the Joker is precisely a "response" to Batman either; I bet he's symptomatic of Gotham's "sickness" and the curse that lays over the ground it's built on.
There's always been guys like him (I think Morrison kinda teased at that in one of his more meta books, though I forget which one), but only recently have they been as obvious and flamboyant as the Joker is now.

I you could even write it as the REAL reason Batman never killed the Joker; he did digging into his backstory and found evidence that three different people were the Joker and that all three existed and all three vanished when their version of the Joker appeared and he could never figure it out so he never actually acted upon killing them until he could really figure out who/what he was dealing with.

>>83006344
Kinda just sounds like you're an asshole.
But you're young enough that it'll probably pass.

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>Gee Bruce, THREE Jokers?

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>>83004614

>>83005727
Are you saying Joker is the Anti-Life Equation?

>>83006344
No, you're spot on. Pun unintended.
A lot of writers have commented on the weird self-flagellating tendencies of the comic book industry.

Everything from the characters, writers, editors and publishers seem to have a warped love-hate relationship with each other. I guess it's the byproduct of working so long with people who for the sake of current narrative or market direction have to agree on everything even when no one really agrees on anything.

>>83006283
Defiled Cows

>>83006344
You need to take them less seriously, that's part of your problem.
It's a comic book, not a goddamn religious text.

>>83006505

this is the same reason they don't like calling them Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman in movies it's dumb bullshit.

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>>83005446
(cough)

So I haven't been caught up at all in the latest nu52 shit.

Is there any comics with pre 52 Superman in the world, or is all that in Rebirth? I'd love to read about that.

>>83006511
Deeply Concerned

>>83006130
>have original lineup re-introduced two years ago
>don't even use them except robotman
Hurray I guess

>>83006570
BvS didn't shy away from calling them by their names.

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>>83006598

>>83006571
Don't forget Creeper

>>83006436
>one panel
>the book literally ends with dialogue Manhattan and Ozy's final exchange, Watchmen's clock to midnight, and " “The Clock Is Ticking Across the DC Universe.”
You're an idiot.

>>83002907
>Three jokera

What?
How.
Why?

>>83006571
posting shit to prove him right?

>>83006636
Dick's Cock

>>83006598
Desperate Crossovers

>>83006147
>a man so insane and charismatic that he inspires others to adopt his aesthetic and mannerisms to the point of becoming him

I could buy into that for a bad guy

>>83002907
>New Dr. Fate said that Scarab Blue Beetle is not extraterrestrial technology, it’s magic.

I don't know if I like the sound of that.

>>83006591
He was in Convergence (main series was ass, but a surprising number of tie-ins were good).
Then Lois & Clark, where they've been secretly on in the New 52 world all along, raising their son.
I hear it's pretty good.

>>83006649
the Creeper is still a thing in 2010's?

>>83006690
yes, cause it is shit.

>>83006730
No
New 52 version is some Japanese demon Katana fights or some shit.

Wait, is the new 52 and Rebirth the same universe?

THERE ARE 36 KARS
AND 5 DIOS

>>83003712
learn to read before you reply, mongoloid

>>83006729
Is he powerless, or are they hyping him up for when nu52 Superman dies?

>>83006725
I'm glad.
I wouldn't want them to try doing the Reach again.

Rogers did it perfectly.
And I'm feeling pretty good about Fate being in the book.

>>83006803
I think he's just weaker than normal?

>>83006764
even before New 52, the last time I saw the Creeper's name even utter was in the 80's.

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>>83006571

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>>83006376
>>83006457
>>83006529
Well, as i said, there are exceptions, i'm not going "comics were a mistake", i'm loving King's Vision, had fun with Totally Awesome Hulk, WW Earth One surprised me, the industry has still plenty to offer

But when i look at the big stuff? The super important events, retcons, twists and team books? I just see gimmicks, and this doesn't sound any different, so i'm surprised when people act like bringing Watchmen into this continuity mess somehow is a deep artistic expression about how we gotta kill the "sacred cow" or whatever... how can the industry improve if fanboys are still willing to eat shit? But then again, i guess this goes for any industry or franchise

>>83005727
>>83005620
Joker as a meme makes sense, as does a Joker legacy.

But THREE Jokers within Bruces carrer is just silly, he doesnt even have an arch enemy anymore.

Also why are the three jokers those break points?

So Joker fucks with Batman, kills Jason and then. ..quits?

Then some other unrelated asshole criples Babs (and somehow remembers the last jokers origin) then he quits after killing Dr Hurt.

Then ANOTHER totally unrelated asshole goes to get his face cut off and attack all the Batman family members, whose secret ids he knows somehow.

What?

>>83006693
Defiled Corpse

so, whats this I hear about Batman raping the Joker?

>>83006729
>I hear it's pretty good.

If you're into nostalgia, sure

>>83006848
He was in that last Outsiders series that nobody read.

>>83006147
That's good for future storylines and sci-fi Elseworlds but the main Joker really should be a grounded character like the main Batman.

>>83006571
your point being?

>>83006874
>>83006691
Damned Continuity

>Joker cripples barbara gets a bit of Gordon booty and retires
What a player

>>83006932
that yes, anyone can be a Joker, including a girl. Here's proof of a female Joker.

>>83006440
The Jerry Joker for sure is a response to Batman, but rememer even Batman is just an evolution of a long line of mystery men.

I mean I dig the idea of a Joker legacy its just having three Jokers all against Bruce seems insane.

Now if there was an epic story where the joker died

And then ANOTHER epic story where he comes back and they reveal the meme power that would work.

But this seems like some weird not muhism

>>83006967
Damaged Characters

>>83006872
>Also why are the three jokers those break points?
>Joker does his shit
>Crisis
>New persona is born
>Old persona refuses to die
>Multiple choice past
>Flashpoint
>Third persona

>>83006986
But harley was never a "female joker". Even in the shitty emo pornstar version

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>>83006972
>yfw they officialize the "Batman killed Joker" theory to justify why TKJ Joker disappeared at some point

>>83006283
>implying it wasn't the squid

The squid died but its mental energy survived and became the power of ultimate edginess. It started calling itself Boss Smiley and went from universe to universe, corrupting them and conquering them, beginning with Prez Rickard's world. Boss Smiley is responsible for all the repeated mergings of the universes that just make things edgier and more like Watchmen.

Meanwhile Doctor Manhattan teleported the smileyface pin into the Batcave so that the World's Greatest Detective can figure it all out, as opposed to doing something actually effective. Because that's how he rolls.

In the end, the DC heroes have to stop Ozymandias from teleporting the squid thirty-five minutes ago and birthing Boss Smiley.

>>83006912
>grounded

Batman was theatric opeatic pulp madness from day zero dude.>>83007005
>Joker is immune to universal reboots so every time one happens it just copies him over
That...is kinda brilliant.

Why doesnt that happen to everyone

>>83006344
>I'm already seeing people calling Watchmen a black spot in comics' history.

On /co/ or outside? If it's on /co/ it's trolling or shilling.

>>83006997
Deplorable Circumstances

So if I have this right they are trying to blame Watchmen for everything wrong with dc comics recently by doing it in a meta way.

Jesus fuck dc just admit you fucked up this sort of thing is idws schtick

>>83007097
Yeah, the black spot thingie was specifically /co/
But on Newsarama too (is that how the site's called?) in the comment section of this one Rebirth review i saw people going either "it's a DC property to there's nothing wrong with merging with the main universe!" or "Watchmen was never that good anyway"

>>83007076
It did to Psycho-Pirate after the first Crisis on Infinite Earths, actually.
And you know what? He was crazy too.

>>83007017
you say this, but watch DC actually do this. If they where stupid enough to do this, you can bet they will go full retard and make Harley into a JOker.

>Dr Manhattan is the Made in Heaven of the DCU
Jonah Hex's new comic will follow him on an horse race through the USA.

>>83007112
Deviant Crimes

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Alright, so Doc Manhattan at the end of Watchmen left the earth and decided to create some life of his own possibly. Now, let's say that the New 52's entire universe is made by him. How did the Comedian's emblem and the bloodstain last all that time? I don't doubt he could shit out a universe real quick but it seems really fucking cheap to do so and why the fuck would he carry the Comedian's smily face? As a memento? Mementos mean shit to someone who perceives past, present, and future at the same time.

This is just hackery

>>83007301
Believe in Cereal King's meme magic.

>>83005251
We aren't complaining because we think Watchmen is good (it is) we are complaining that it does not work if you move it inti the main universe.

Why are so many people claiming that we are angry because we put Watchmen on a pedestal

>>83007276
DominatedCucks

>>83004385
Because they are blaming Watchmen for what happened to there comics instead of realising they fucked up by missing the point of watchmen

>>83007355
>we are complaining that it does not work if you move it inti the main universe.
Explain why

>>83007390
Darek Cide

>>83006283
DC Afterbirth

>>83007355
>Why are so many people claiming that we are angry because we put Watchmen on a pedestal
The same reason that there were people claiming that BvS was 2Deep4You?

>>83007142
Everyone seems to be suggesting that Watchmen ushered in the age of grimdark.

No idea how true that is or not.

Either way, this will piss off Alan Moore, and that's always good for a laugh at least.

>>83007417
I don't think you understand. They're not blaming Watchmen itself, but rather the influence it had on the future of the industry

How the fuck does any of Watchmen happens in the main world?
Were the JSA conviniently busy all the time? The Question not suing Roarshark over patented suit.

>>83007466
Dumb Cuck
doing it wrong, Jalopy

>>83006779
Fuck the shoes, I transcend through soles
https://youtu.be/wIRDCbP2SZQ?t=4m8s

>>83007439
Doofus Central

>>83007535
It didn't happen in the main DCU
>Watchmen
>Dr. M fucks off to create life
>Manhattan creates the DCU

>>83007417
They aren't blaming Watchmen.

They're blaming the influence and how people like Zach Snyder fellate it and take all the wrong things from it

There is no way Johns isn't pissed at Snyder and that this is a dig at him

>>83007552
Distended Cervix

>>83006496
Jokerseid is

>>83004614
>should've just had prime come back and punch everything back to normal
This desu senpai

>Three Jokers are: original Joker of Jerry Robinson, Joker from The Killing Joke of Alan Moore and Brian Bolland, and new Joker from New52 of Greg Capullo and Scott Snyder.
So basically pre-crisis, post-crisis, and post-flashpoint... what if the reason Joker's crazy is because he remembers all the stuff that happened... he's aware he's a comic book character... he might even be aware of the Multiverse, the cartoon universe, the live-action universe...

>>83007537
Don't Care. Afterbirth perfectly describes this offal that we are receiving.

>>83004688
GOTHAM
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>>83007483
>No idea how true that is or not.
It was more Dark Knight Returns that resulted in cranking up the Ultra Violence; but Watchmen made it fashionable to "deconstruct" capeshit with the unfortunate result that people's girlfriends/wives started ending up in refrigerators.

>>83004847
No, you fuck off with your "Crazy can be a superpower!" bullshit.

>>83007419
Because it's a deconstruction

>>83007654
That's basically just Superboy Prime all over again.
A thing I feel was repeated with the modern Darkseid being a farmer who became bitter their lives were at the whims of gods and yada yada yada.

>>83006440

If anything Batman and Joker are both products of Gotham being fucking insane.

>>83007483
Yes, Watchmen is one of the comics. TDKR being another.

But Miller has already shat all over TDKR so no point in Johns doing it too. Now Watchmen on the other hand, people don't shit on that often.

>>83007735
>Psycho Pirate

>>83007544
>I transcend through soles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka9mfZbTFbk

>>83007512
Then wouldent it make more meta sense to have some random civilian from the watchman universe get the power to do this shit.

It would be retarded but there already doing something retarded may as well get your meta right in the process

>>83007744
And?

>>83007667
Yes, Because King on Batman will be horrible right ? so will WW

>>83003838
>marvel friends
>reading comics

>>83007667
Found the Marvel Shill.

>>83007813
>Then wouldent it make more meta sense to have some random civilian from the watchman universe get the power to do this shit.
How does that make more "meta" sense

>Marvel can kill off every single character ever to rehash an event and then magically revive everyone in a new setting and get away with it

>DC can backpedal his new stupid ass continuity because LOL WATCHMEN :DDD

And you faggots will keep eating it up.

>>83007776
I don't see this shitting on Watchmen nearly as much as it's shitting on the last few decades of DC editorial and leadership for allowing such a bleak, angry, hopeless, grimdark DC Comics to happen.

And I feel like it's also Johns really give the finger to Zack Snyder some more too.

>>83007614
Dislocated Coccyx

>Joker from The Killing Joke of Alan Moore and Brian Bolland
Is this also the one that killed Jason?

>>83007667
>Don't Care
Dealing Crits, man, that got me to laugh way harder than it should have.

>>83007841
>Rucka retconning tons of shit like what always happens with Wonder Woman
>Tom "Scott Snyder's run on Batman is one of the best ever" King
>not horrible

>>83007841
>King on Batman will be horrible right ?
He's bringing that godawful Poser hack with him from Grayson so, yes?

>>83007075
Thats just crazy enough that I would read it.

>>83007841
>Finch on art (and double shipping, so it won't even be good Finch but rushed Finch, and rushed Finch is fucking horrible)
>has to play second-fiddle to All-Star Batman
>forced to use Black Robin for SJW pandering points

I'm sure it'll be good, but DC is really doing everything in their power to keep it from being great.

>>83007865
Some random civilian wants to remake this other world to fit Fitthe heros In his world

But now that I think about it it would be even better if somebody from outside both universes saw the Watchmen universe and tried to remake the main one in its image.

In fact that would be slightly less retarded

>>83007841
>>83007859
Enjoy supporting the next five years of DC continuing to take steaming dumps in your mouths and raping the best history in comics.

>>83007167
No he just remebered it all its not like pre and post crisis psycho pirate exist at the same time.

>>83007972
>raping the best history in comics.
Alright, its good to see your shit taste

Everytime you mess with Moore's work disaster falls upon you.
Just look at Snyder's great ideas after directing watching.
Or Johnny Depp turning into his final form of schlok after From Hell.
Or Sean Conmery's movie career after League.
Beware of Hamill's safety after the Killing Joke movie.

>>83007803
Monty Python was a sign.
The memes will lead us.

>>83007972
But this event is doing the exact opposite

>>83004014
To longtime readers it's the writers finally being able to tell Alan Moore's crusty old piece of shut to fuck off.

This is the people who love comic books finally making comic books what they should be.

>>83007924
You know that Snyder was in the same room right ?

Please tell me this kills the current harley quinn autistic and extremely pandering storyline

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>>83007972
>>83008001
It must be hard being a cuck.

>>83007735
>"Crazy can be a superpower!"
That's been a go-to trope for hacky writing ever since Silence of the Lambs, anon. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen someone more or less become a supernatural force the second someone else announced that they were a "Serial Killer" in popular fiction (tv, movies, comics, books, whatever).

>>83007878
Dismembered Children

>>83008033
>This is the people who love comic books finally making comic books what they should be.
Lobdell and Humphries?

>>83004079
There's nothing to "get." Watchmen is not some perfect sacred cow. It's just another comic book. It deserves to be treated as such.

>>83008052
Dim Civilians

>>83008074
Distilled Cancer.

>>83007971
In fact now that I think about it I wonder why they dident do this

Have somebody that exists outside both universes fucking with this shit

>>83008105
Like a writer?

>>83007848
>>83007859
>>83008052
>anyone who doesn't like this is a Marveldrone!
Why are DC fans so insecure?

>>83008018
Hamil's safe, he said that'd be his last gig as Joker
Apart from that, what does he do? Luke ? Pfffff, couldn't care less.

>>83005251
This. This is what Rebirth is about. It's the desanctification of a comic that people have been pretending is good.

>>83008075
Lobdell's 'writing' is an example of what comics should never be.

>>83008156
And why people always use this argument

>>83008049
Nu52 Harley sells too much to kill.

Maybe they'll let Paul Dini do a Harley book with the original Harley.

>>83008097
Disreputable Colonoscopy

>>83008137
Yes
people missing the point of watchmen is to blame for current dc is what there claiming so if your going to go meta do it right.
Using doctor manehatten is like saying that Alan Moore was the one who is making the grimdark new comics.

>>83007972
>people honestly believe this
>people will never realize the true greatest story in comics is none other than Usagi Yojimbo

>>83008001
Shit taste is ignoring the fact that DC has the most iconic comics properties in the world for a reason and the impact that Watchmen had on the medium.

>>83008249
Holy grammar Batman

>>83004353
>muh realism

DC understands that. They're saying its fucking stupid.

Watchmen is the kind of comic that the Punisher and Daredevil crowd worship. DC is saying they don't need that kind of edgelord trash

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>>83008052
>muh company wars

>>83007783

Not the same thing.

Wasn't insane before.

Only went insane because he retained knowledge of the pre-Crisis universe because of his role in COIE.

And being bugfuck insane as a result of that was not a superpower.

>>83008323
Their history says otherwise.

>>83002907
wait watchman is in dc permanently? its not a what if or something.

>>83004601
Yeah Pandora being dead is the only thing I'm sad about.

this shit is getting more and more stupid by the minute.

>>83004614
Marveldrone spotted

>>83006986
>>83007188

God no. That's why Joker's Daughter exist. Take her, Duela is a shit character anyway

>>83008092
>doesn't get watchmen
Try rereading it after you've successfully completed puberty, kiddo.

Wait, this shit is real? I thought you were all making a fanwank/joke about it being Dr Manhattan's pet project.

>>83008323
Does that mean they'll finally kill off shit like Red Hood and Arsenal or this is just a moment in time that won't matter after the book is over.

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>>83002907
>New Dr. Fate said that Scarab Blue Beetle is not extraterrestrial technology, it’s magic
Ew. Also, when is that nigga gonna get his armor and ditch the hoodie?

>>83008217
>why is this observation so painfully obvious to everyone but me?
Doubtless it's comfy and warm where you are, anon. But if you pull your head out of your own asshole you'd be able to see things a bit more clearly.

>>83008156
Because their main caharacter is literally "Preptime Man"

>>83004730
You understand that the DCU is more that Earth-0 (the equivalent of your 616,) right?

And that Watchmen was already an Earth? Doc Manhattan was always out there.

>>83006344
I'm 36- i'm overly tired.

>>83007261
Tell him to fall off his horse, Jonah!

>>83008092
>sacred cow this, sacred cow that

It's incredible how quickly people manage to enstablish a new buzzword

>>83008515
>And that Watchmen was already an Earth?

Earth-4 was not Watchmen.

It became more Watchmen-esque with the New 52 reboot, as seen in Multiversity, but it wasn't the same story.

>>83007755
Darkseid was a farmer!?

>>83008323
>Punisher and Daredevil
Because: Muh Console Wars!
>DC is saying they don't need that kind of edgelord trash
What is Dark Knight III?

>>83005026
Swamp Thing, Animal Man, Azzarello's WW, those were fucking great.

>>83008588
His villain month issue I think

>>83003733
it would make more sense for him to be nightowl.

>>83008451
Surely they'll at least cancel DKIII, so people can finally stop pretending edgy '80s comics were ever good!

>>83006649
And Joker's Daughter

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>>83008442
>Wait, this shit is real?

>>83008549

I see it this way, remember when Morrison wrote himself into Animal Man at the end, making him an official part of DC's canon continuity?

Then he gets killed off in another writer's story, because once he's part of that universe he's subject to the same treatment and whims of other writers as any other character.

Same deal here. Watchmen, the comic itself, never changes from outside influence regardless of what happens here. But the actual characters and properties, as they are owned by DC, are fair game for creating new stories.

My only concern is whether that story is good or not. And again, if it isn't good, it doesn't reach back in time and change the original Watchmen comic itself.

why stop at 3 jokers? Just have 20.

>>83008549
>sacred cow
>new
It's literally BIBLICAL you uneducated fuck.

>>83008652
Go read squirrel girl

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>TFW this will never be the canon joker
y live?

>>83008649
It was Neil Gaiman who did that at the end of an Animal Man arc. Did Morrison also put himself into that comic?

>>83008726
I know you damn idiot, but i've never seen it being used so much in a comics context. I've read those words more in the last 3 hours than in the last 3 years

>>83008742
go back to /v/

>>83008652
Don't tempt them.

If they read this then they might do it and we'll get Crisis on Infinite Jokers.

>>83008358
He created/caused the New 52.

>>83006872
Crisis fuckery probably left multiple Jokers behind

>>83008233
Deranged Corporation

>>83008726
>sacred cow
>Biblical

It's a reference to Hindu practice, actually.

you're thinking of the golden calf from Exodus, which is used as an allegory to represent a false, material idol.

>>83008380
>I'm too stupid to understand it therefore its bad
Stick to Marvel, kid. They're probably more your speed.

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>>83008773

Have you actually fucking read Animal Man?

>after a long journey the heroes finally confront manhattan
>"oh, hey guys sorry about that. I was trying to make my own universe and bumped into yours. See ya later!"

>>83008773
Morrison puts himself in a lot of his books, anon. King Mob in The Invisibles, the cripple guy who spoke to Nix Uotan about the Rubix Cube in Final Crisis.

>>83002907
holy shit now that i think about it
Batman v Rorschach. two great detectives butting heads fighting over what is best.
batmans no killing rule
Vs
Rorschach kill them all rule

>>83008652
Jokerz are inevitable anyway really.

>>83007142
Idw? How?
Dont they just do liscned books

>>83008893
>this sad little "us against them" mentality

Save it for the sjw's, champ

>>83006344
No, you're probably just underage and
Watchmen is your first comic so you're overly attached to it.

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>>83008773
>It was Neil Gaiman who did that at the end of an Animal Man arc
It was Grant Mother Fucking Morrison, you pleb!

OK so let me get this all straightened out. The entirety of the New 52 still happened but it is also the pre flashpoint universe which was altered. Was it by Pandora or Manhattan? Was it Manhattan who created the original DC universe and killed Pandora for altering it or Manhattan that changed the DC universe into New 52?

The thing about people shitting on Watchmen wasn't that they thought it was a bad story. I mean, some people might think that but they're wrong. What Watchmen fucked up was through no fault of its own. Essentially, everyone tried to copy the tone and pessimist nature of the comic without understanding what actually made it so good. So, this led to comics getting really grimdark after Watchmen came out. Rebirth is essentially tackling that very concept, and using Manhattan as a sort of scapegoat.

>>83006344
Watchmen is shit when you actually start reading comics.

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>>83008773
I was about to post a big post calling you out and going on about how you probably don't even read comics and yadda yadda yadda...

But I'm not going to post that because it's needlessly shitty and benefits no one, so instead, I'm just going to say this:
>Go read Morrison's Animal Man. It's really good.
And leave it at that.

>>83007469
I thought you were exaggerating, and then:

>>83008893
Does this "Emperor's New Clothes" level of childishness EVER work for anyone past grade school?

>>83008955

Rorschach is comparable to Owlman in the sense that both of them when faced with the truth of human nature cracked and took extreme stances (Owlman either wants to rule or destroy that humanity depending on the story, and Rorscach takes an extreme and violent black-and-white view of sin and punishment as an arbiter of his ideals of what humanity SHOULD behave as).

>>83004336
Do you think Destiny loves or hates the fact his big book keeps getting rewritten?

>>83006440
I'm so fucking glad that we're moving past the "Batman makes his villains" meme. If we can ditch all of Miller's Year One shit too it'll be better.

>>83009038

We don't know yet. The manipulation of Barry's actions at the end of the Flashpoint story to create the New 52 altered it not only by combining the Vertigo and Wildstorm universes into the DCU, but also by erasing ten years of continuity.

How that happened I guess we'll find out.

>>83008901
I just checked online to post sauce and discovered that the person I thought was Neil Gaiman was Grant Morrison the entire time. Holy shit. I am having a hyper crisis in my head right now.

>>83009185

He's used to it by this point I would guess.

It'll be laid out like those study Bibles with the shitloads of footnotes and cross-references to designate where things got retconned.

>>83009208
Manhattan changed it all. Using Flashpoint to frame barry. Dr. Manhattan is actually Eobard Thawne

>>83009251
or, you know, the speed force.

>>83008955

I would be a lot happier with this if the rest of the Watchmen cast is left in their own world. I'm more than happy with Manhattan being used though

>>83009212
>the person I thought was Neil Gaiman was Grant Morrison the entire time. Holy shit.
In your defense: he had hair back then.

>>83009185
Do you think he realizes that the book it different? I mean the endless are within creation, and it seems like creation itself keeps getting altered by these events.

I mean all of the worlds and the new gods are all getting affected by the different changes right?

>>83008747
>you'll never have harley as your stripper gf that'll help you skin your enemies alive
>and hold you while you cry

>>83006862
You should try reading comics instead of reading about them 2bqh fampaitachi

Can I just say that for good or ill it's nice to see so much interest in an actual comic story line again on /co/. I can't remember the last time DC or Marvel did something this interesting

>>83009314
That is what threw me. All the pictures I see of Morrison all have him rocking the Lex Luthor look.

>>83006660
Dont forget the cover is literally a homage to david and God, with the DC heroes reaching to touch Dr. Manhattan's hand