You Cant Fight The Future

>>82976282
You cant fight Moore either, he will curse the comic industry now with low sales and more SJW bullshit.

Dude spoiler tag this man

>>82976316
MEME
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>>82976282
Who the hell drew that and why is it drawn so badly?

>>82976440
I think it's the guy Who drew Billy Batson's New 52 debut as Captain Marvel.

Gary Frank I think his name was.

>>82976364
ooga chaka ooga ooga chaka!

what does this mean

>>82976745
The events of Watchmen are somehow canon.

>>82976282
Goddamn this page is pure distilled Johns

>enire splash of jack shit going on
>retarded "dramatic" pun
>iconography that makes zero sense when applied to logic

>>82976440
>>82976589
>Gary Frank
>shit
Literally kill yourselves.

>>82976745
From a review:

But in a comic full of big moments, there’s one that will stand out above the rest — namely, that the malevolent force that has stolen 10 years from the DC Universe (and murdered Pandora, the symbol of the New 52, in a particularly subversive jab) is none other than Watchmen’s Dr. Manhattan. When you read it, you might feel the air leave you, and it might be one of the smartest bits Johns has come up with since Sinestro Corps War. Of course the cynicism of the DC Universe began here — and the only way to counteract that is to call out the “world’s greatest graphic novel” for its sins. It serves to both heighten the stakes tremendously, as Johns taps into DC’s final frontier, but also serves as a great bit of metacommentary.

>>82976440
>why is it drawn so badly?

I like his art.

>>82976282
If this isn't referencing Pax, it's GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

>>82976831
>Muh New 52 was grimdark because of Watchmen
>Now the hope is being restored by reversing it all
>It's all a metacommentary

Fuck this shit

>>82976822
I'm just talking about that particular pic, it looks bad, nothing against the artist in general I suppose.

>>82976282
What the fuck? Is that relating to fucking watchmen?

>>82976282
Good god Batman, did the joker pump your arm with helium?

>>82976988
Yeah Identity Crisis is way more to blame in modern DC. The mid 2000's were just mean spirited

>>82977017
It doesn't look bad, you have a bad eye.

>>82977060
Maybe they're making Batman: Venom canon again.

>>82977162
Okay.

Calm down anon, don't take it personal.

>>82976831
That actually sounds cool. Too bad no one will care because "ablo ablo Im a big baby why make watchman canon"

>>82976831
Isn't Johns the guy who does Silver/Bronze age villains with the twist that they're into mutilation rape and drugs and who's stolen every tiny idea in Moore's DCU comics to "expand" on them with shit like Blackest Night?

What about that squad of space cunts who literally throw up blood or "I never wanted children scene"? What I'm saying is if anyone shold be making these statements it's def NOT him

>>82976831
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS!?!?!?!!?

I'M DONE WITH YOUR SHIT, DC!

FUCKING DONE!

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>>82976831
What if the DCEU is grimark because Snyder made Watchmen toó?

Yfw Film's rebirth?

>>82977831
Pretty much, Johns likes his villains doing atrocious acts but as long as they're COOL there is not prob...

>>82976364
You jest, but he has written entire books on the subject.

STAR WARS vs. MARVEL WHEN

>>82977372
Yeah it's great. Next arc they should have Eva unit 01 be the villain.

>>82976282
Jesus fucking christ.

I have no words that can describe my current feelings.

Literally LOL JUST TRY AND STOP US ALAN WB LAWYERS FTW: The comic book universe

>>82976831

Hold the fucking phone. Manhattan is interacting with the maing DC Universe?

>>82979738
He MADE the New52 multiverse

he is also gonna be in the movies now starting with the JL one

>>82976282
cool

>>82979918
Fuck off

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>>82978072
Bring it.

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>Johns gives chemotherapy to the DC universe

And /co/ misinterprets this as bad, how exactly?

>>82979918

Wasn't Pandora the creator of the 52 bia Barry? And wasn't she the supposed to be the one to integrate Wildstorm and Vertigo?

>>82980078
Thats being retconned away to give way for Dr Manhattan

I haven't read comics in awhile.

When people talk about New 52 do they mean the reboot way back in 2010/2011 or is there some New 52 newer than that which Doc Blue Dick has apparently interacted with

>>82980175

The reboot

>>82980043
It's just dummies who haven't read the reviews to understand context. Everyone was mad before those came out. Smart for DC to pull back the spoiler embargo in reaction to the leak.

>>82976831
What ten years are they referring to?

>>82980404
Why are people so convinced on the basis of the reviews that this is going to go anywhere worthwhile? The reveal is the end of the issue.

>>82980426
The 90's. Manhattan tried to remove the 90's from existence.

>>82980518
I wish he'd remove the 2010's, too

>>82980426

nu52 starts 5 years in + 5 years since it started

>>82980518
>DC retconning their best era away
>Comics became shit
Makes sense

>>82980514
it seems to be in a meta enough sense that it might not matter much in the long run

you're free to worry about stories that aren't confirmed yet if you want I guess

>>82976282
whats this i hear about there being 3 jokers. is there any elaboration

it kind of reeks of desperation on DC's part. We'll see.

So, they didn't learn diddily-squat from Before Watchmen. Also, there's three Jokers and two Wallys now. You welcome.

>>82976282
Is Batman happy to see button?

Where can they honestly go from here? It's practically a given that Manhattan will show up, but will they stop there? Do you think they might bring Rorschach or Nite Owl in since they have DCU equivalents who are still relevant in the main comics?

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>>82976282
I have been told otherwise

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>>82983238

Yeah... i heard something completely different.

>>82977029

Basically Rebirth is not a reboot, the events of the new 52 will remain canon as it turns out this is still the pre Flashpoint universe but was manipulated by a higher entity which we know now to be Dr.Manhattan, which could mean anything from he messing up with the DC universe during the new 52 only, to the stretch where he could actually be responsible for the creation of that reality itself, after the events of Watchmen where he is hinted to experiment on life creation

>Manhattan messing with universal forces

Jesus it's like people that have never read Watchmen and only know about Manhattan from internet memes are writing DC now.

>>82983950
Just you wait until it's revealed Manhattan created DC on last page of his Before Watchmen mini.

>>82977971
>Geoff Johns is overseeing the DCEU now too

>>82983878
If it's the same universe, why did Convergence treat pre-New 52 like a separate world? Hell, it outright stated it was.

>>82980043
Disney bux

>>82983798
He isn't fighting the future

>>82984094

>Implying that he isn't fighting fate.

Do you even read the manga?

>>82984088
Mainly because this is stuff they pulled out of their ass for this event

>>82984172
Yeah, true that, but it will be interesting to see if they just say fuck it or if they explain that shit. At the time, they made Convergence sound like a big deal!

>>82978064
This. Johns doesn't even like Wally, he liked his villains.

>>82976745
Joker is the Comedian

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>>82976282
my god it actually worked

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>>82977831
>Isn't Johns the guy who does Silver/Bronze age villains with the twist that they're into mutilation rape and drugs and who's stolen every tiny idea in Moore's DCU comics to "expand" on them with shit like Blackest Night?
When you put it like that, it was almost inevitable that Johns would eventually cannibalize one of Moore's major works. We should have seen this coming.

>>82984113
Not the same thing, it's like saying that fighting bees and wasps are the same thing.

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>/co/ suddenly hates Johns

>>82984962
>/co/
you mean /tv/

>>82976831
Is DC on the ropes THIS badly?

>>82984962
not everyone was a fan of LE CEREAL KING to begin with

>>82984962
I haven't liked him since Blackest Night. He's a one trick pony who keeps on doing the same trick

>>82985008
Let's just say 27% isn't just their current film score

Is it just me, or is this really retarded?

And just watch, when Rebirth ends up as much of a failure as New-52 they'll have the Endless step in to slap Manhattan's shit.

>>82985057
>implying seeing /co/ backpedal continuously and try to claim that as a brilliant move won't be entertaining
Seriously, seeing the extent people on here will go to defend stupid shit publishers do is the most entertaining thing I see relating to comics

I think my only real issue is that I prefer when some works stand alone. Watchmen being one of them. I don't see the purpose in somehow making it canon with all the other stories and characters.

Isn't this almost exactly what Molecule Man was doing with Franklin Richards at the end of Secret Wars?

>>82976831
Wait did anybody auctualy continue to care about Pandora after the retarded twist in #12 (and the general decline in quality of the 5 issues previous)

>>82985043
Of course it is, but to be fair none of us have actually read it yet.

If you look at what has been leaked, it's pretty clear how much /co/ has tricked itself into believing as gospel through speculation and chinese whispers.

>>82976282
I really should get round to reading Watchmen even if only so I can join in the outrage

Haven't people learned that everytime you sully Moore's work disaster falls upon them?

So, where can I read it?

>>82985136
Hop off anytime, anon.

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>>82976282
>>82976831

I'll start crying when Cereal King barges into my house and rips up my copy of Watchmen.

until then, spare me your drama /co/

This is like Miracleman showing up in some random Bendis book.

>>82985008
Does "on the ropes" mean something new? They're making good comics.

>>82985197
>you
>reading a comic

lol that'll be the day

>>82985248
Except Miracleman was good. Watchmen is poison.

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>>82985248
In prevous thread we speculated that V will join Freedom Force.

>>82985057
But Disneyfriend, New 52 sales were at the same levels as pre-Flashpoint, sometimes even better.

Surely you're not just spouting uneducated shitposts, r...right?

>>82976282
>Wally is back
>Watchmen is canon
WHAT IS THIS EMOTIONAL ROLLER COASTER RIDE AND WHERE DO I GET OFF

>>82985089
Because

>1) Watchmen was always part of the Dac Universe, and
>2) Watchmen was never standalone.

Watchmen directly affected the entire industry for decades. Watchemen was built on the backs or everything before it, and shaped everything afterwards. It is a creative bottleneck that has shaped the entire industry. Even Alan admits it was for the worst.

Look at Marvel. Everything is grim as fuck events and insipid saccharine waifu bait. DC has been murdering characters for character development for ages.

It is high time that Watchmen be removed from its pedestal so that it stops being something writers idealize.

>>82976831
No Johns, FUCK you. The current situation is DC is not due to some nebulous influence from Watchmen, it is a DIRECT RESULT of YOUR decisions to throw out decades of history and push your fucking favorite characters. You don't get to pawn the blame for your terrible stories off on something that was actually original and good.

So would this be a good point for me to start reading DC since everything seems semi rebooted, especially since I have no knowledge or attachment to how the characters should be written/act?

If it helps Civil War was the first Marvel story I read and I liked it

>>82985408
Remains to be seen. Wait a couple months and ask again.

>>82985388
This is a proper conclusion for someone who didn't understand the fucking point of Watchmen.

>>82985388
>It is high time that Watchmen be removed from its pedestal so that it stops being something writers idealize.
Like that's going to happen because of this.

>>82976282
Wrong.

I'm Ant-Man

>>82976831
He hated Multiversity that much?

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I feel fear for the last time.

>>82985430
>muh shitty comic is 2deep4u

Is it any surprise that Snyder was a Watchmenbabby?

Watchmen is trash, and now it's being put in its place.

>>82985388
And? You can hardly blame a work for a bunch of tryhards attempting to copy it. That foolish behavior is on their heads, not on the original work in question.

Additionally, this doesn't solve the problem that you seem to be talking about. Watchmen is a self-contained story line, one that has nothing before or after it, nor does it have any real, tangible relation to other comic stories. Placing it in the DC canon in this way isn't going to do anything but muck things up. It's not going to "remove it from the pedestal" and it's certainly not going to stop bad writers from trying to copy its beats without understanding what made them work in the first place. It's just going to be shoehorning a story into a canon where it doesn't fit.

>>82976282
We're all forgetting the most important thing of all.
They're gonna censor Dr. Manhattan's dick, aren't they?

>>82985503
Nice, 4/10. The trash line was bit too muc though.

>>82985406
How many DC comics did you read Disneyfriend?

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Dr. Manhattan vs. Empty Hand when?!

>>82985507
It was already there. Rebirth is the death and burial of Watchmen.

We are all (rightfully) celebrating the death of the worst thing to happen to comics in 40 years.

Manhattan isn't even strong enough to do this, unless they're using the Pax's Captain Atom

>>82985566
This shitty story is about to grant the Empty Hand victory once and for all.

>>82985566
>Implying Johns will acknowledge Morrison's cosmology in any way

>>82985583
it's pretty easy to say 'while exploring the multiverse, he got stronger'

>>82985600
Explain yourself, Mouseketeer.

>>82976831
>great bit of metacommentary.

Ah, no wonder the spoilers sounded fucking ridiculous... Metacommentary always sounds awful in spoiler text

>>82985509
>They're gonna censor Dr. Manhattan's dick, aren't they?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>82985566
Description makes Dr Manhattan sound more like Mr Mind than Empty Hand.

DC is finished.

>>82985649
>if you hate this shitty development or geoff johns (who I don't hate, but he hasn't written a good story for seven years) you must be from /tv/
OK, I'll bite.

The empty hand is a metaphor for putting down the comic, see? And because this comic is so goddamn fucking retarded people will put down DC comics and stop reading them, see? So that explains it!

Johns has been responsible for both bringing Hal Jordan up as "the greatest lantern" and for ressurecting Barry Allen and just assigning him all of Wally's villains because those are the characters that he likes, see? He's also in charge of DC creative, so the decisions that make the new DC and the current situation are his fault, see?

And Watchmen in a critically acclaimed graphic novel that has never been a part of mainstream DC and adding that to the main continuity is a completely unnecessary clusterfuck. So do you get it, you obtuse fuck?

>>82985748
>The empty hand is a metaphor for putting down the comic, see?
No it isn't /tv/. Seems like you misread a post you saw from another thread. Try better next time.

>>82985767
Then what is it, idiot?

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DC kills Watchmen just by bringing it down to DCs level.

Amazing.

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Peep dis
>St. George = Johns
>Horse= Wally West
>Maiden = Comic Readers
>Dragon = Watchmen

>>82985779
>knowing more than you makes me an idiot
kek never change /tv/.

>>82985748
>its a /tv/ tries to understand comics episode
lmfao @ disneykids

>>82985789
More like DC kills Watchmen by forcing it to stand on its own feet instead of being propped up by decades of inertia

>>82985813
>>82985812
>samefagging in stereo
Wow, are you a mod? That's weird, because if you are you should know that I've never even posted on /tv/.

>>82985583
It's obvious that he got a power boost. Inder normal circumstances, DC's heavy hitters would body him.

>>82985748
>bringing Hal Jordan up as "the greatest lantern"
I don't see the problem
>and for ressurecting Barry Allen and just assigning him all of Wally's villains
Such as? And what's wrong with bringing back Barry?

>>82985791
More like:
>St. George = DC
>Horse= Batman
>Maiden = Batman Readers
>Dragon = Other Properties
>Cave = Batcave /DC's Future/)
>Castle in Background = Disney
>People at Castle = Movie Fags

>Rebirth info starts to leak out
>huge hype in /co/ for an entire thread
>suddenly, and at the same time in every thread, tons of low-effort shitposts begin being dumped in Rebirth threads, trying to spin the focus on DC being mean to Watchmen, a book considered by anyone with even a passing familiarity witch comics to be the root of most major issues with comics today

Sometimes it's really surprising to see how coordinated the Disney shock troops are. I was wondering how they'd spin this one.

>>82985856
>four seconds apart
>samefag
nice try /tv/

>>82985856
Try again /tv/. I want to hear your interpretation of something else. What do you think Seaguy is about?

>>82985897
I think it's funny the exact same st george image with the same filename appeared in multiple threads at this same time to shit post.
Probably just one shitter not some legion of shills though.

>>82985835

It's stood on its own feet from the day it was published. They're dropping it into a quagmire and then handing the reigns to some clown.

Before Watchmen was dumb enough without John meeting Batman.

>>82985885
That doesn't make any sense at all retard.

>>82985919
>watchmen
>stood on its own feet

confirmed for knowing nothing about comics

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>>82985897
>Watchmen, a book considered by anyone with even a passing familiarity witch comics to be the root of most major issues with comics today
>Sometimes it's really surprising to see how coordinated the Disney shock troops are

Help me, /co/, I can't tell who's serious and who's baiting anymore

>>82976282
Gee Batman, how comeDC lets you have THREE jokers?

>>82986159
Scott Snyder

>>82976282
This sounds fucking stupid.
I'm just not going to read anything related to rebirth.

this just makes Bruce look worse..the man is the "world's greatest detective..talking about the whole 3 jokers nonsense

If the New 52 and pre-Flashpoint are the same Universe, why are there two separate Superman from both continuities?

How in the hell does that make any sense?

>>82986278
It makes sense if you read Convergence and the Lois and Clark miniseries that's been going on the past five or so months.

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>>82985350
Wait is he really back? Do we have an actual confirmation?

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>>82985748
>you will never be this wrong about something

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I wonder how much time has elapsed. Damian's 13. Teen Titans here he comes.

>>82985248
Shut up. Shut up now. Do not give any of the folks who work in Marvel any ideas. Please... I want Miracle Man to remain separate from the shit show that is a shared universe.

I DONT CARE
SHOW ME JSA AND BLUE BEETLE PAGES

>>82986436
Who's the gay black man

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V in the DC canon when?

>>82986417
They straight up released pages with him on it. Just look at the preview

>>82986458
Aqualad. He was in Young Justice cartoon most famously.

>>82986474
But he wasn't gay in Young Justice

>>82986465
More importantly, V and Anarky team-up when?

>>82986481
He was bisexual, Weissman confirmed that

>>82986481
You're right, he was bi

>>82977831
I maintain Johns is actually the problem at DC but no one wants to admit it. They just give him more and more power.

>>82986481
So?

>>82986481
You think that matters to today's writers trying to shoehorn in as much "diversity" as possible?

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>>82986468
I can't find them, I'm sorry but please spoonfeed me.

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COMING SOON
THE LOWEST POINT IN DC COMICS
this is actually possible now

>>82986436
>Damian turning into a teenager and joining Teen Titans
>GLC and GLs set-up
>Blaqualad isnt confirmed for any book
Is Blaqualad going to be in Aquaman? Or is he the 6th member Percy was talking about in TT?

Also is every rebirth book getting swt-up in this?

>>82986525
I'd read it

>>82986530
>6th member Percy
No Jon Kent.

>>82986530
I wouldn't be surprised if Blaqualad appears in TT.

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>>82986515
Here you go
He also narrates the entire book, hes the yellow and red narration boxes

>>82986553
Thanks anon!

>>82976822
>Captain Sameface
>Not suit
Frank is the most overrated artist in comics

>>82986553
How they fuck are barry and kid flash here ?

Did they just teleported in the main universe or were they hidding the whole new 52 time ?

>>82979992
ooh, wizard battle!

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/05/21/now-newsarama-and-ign-report-dc-universe-rebirth-1-spoilers-warning-contains-spoilers/
Damian Wayne is now officially 13 .

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Pre-52 version sups.

>>82986598
Barrys always been there?
They havent explained how Wally gets there yet

Why is Watchmen getting the blame? Isn't the authors who were inspired by that comic's edge be the ones at fault?

>>82986642
Nah. Fans.

Wouldn't it be great if Phantom Stranger and The Question reconvened as the Duo of Sin?

Because, honestly, JMD got both somewhat okay.
Even Question, for what he was.

according to other spoilers, someone – or something – stole ten years from the history of the DC Universe.

So the KF suit may be a consequence of this

Anyway, since Wally is obviously an adult, I doubt he will go by “Kid Flash”.

Especially with that other Kid Flash running around (you know, the other Wally West)

the Joker Yeah, it makes Batman seem kind of... dumb, for not realizing that they're all different people

>>82986674
They should out him in the Walter West suit

Great. Does this mean I have to read Before Watchmen now?

>>82986653
I really liked that Trinity of Sin mini he did, shame about the art. But he made me love both Judas Stranger and The Question? Especially Stranger, what a delightful series that was.

>>82986752
I should do the Phantom Stranger soon.
Maybe wednesday when all of this is going down.

And The Question was made entertaining with just a few key strokes. Some inner character work and fun dickish moments.

>>82986770
You should, it's a criminally underrated series. Sad Blanco isn't doing anything, he killed it on Phantom Stranger. His chemistry with JMD was unbelievable.

>>82986787
I think all of the artists on Phantom Stranger brought something to the table.
Tan had those horror grooves, Ha had those gothic tones, and Blanco...he nailed the mix and the noir of it all.

I'm totally lost on this since my only exposure to comics is the random storytimes that happen here

Is DC seriously implying that Manhattan is stronger than Darkseid and Anti-Monitor?

2 page spread of all the DC heroes charging at Dr. Manhattan when?

>>82986815
I feel like Blanco had them all. Tan was very good, Ha did a few issues and they looked great but Blanco just nailed everything. He especially did a great job on expressions and showing a wide range of emotions.

>>82986501
He's already black, AND has to deal with the stigma of being a water based hero. Isn't that enough?

>>82986900
Exactly.
Especially the later issues with Blight and the Crack in Creation.

>>82976790
>But Future Evil was brilliant

>>82986903
Afraid he'll drown, cartoonfag?

>>82986908
Oh yeah, the part where Stranger is angry with Phil and lets the ghosts consume him and then takes pity upon him is such a powerful sequence that works both because of JMD's masterful wording, but especially because of Blanco.

>>82986936
I love that sequence where Blight possesses that resurrected teenager and even when that teen becomes The Redeemer.
It all works.

I forget, who did the Future's End issue?
I don't think it was Blanco.

So is /co/ full of queers or what? /tv/ told me to come here to discuss capeshit, and it just seems like /lgbt/'s drainage ditch. Midnighter and Grayson are cool though, I don't judge.

>>82980518
He can't remove the 90s. He can't even remember the 90s

Only 90s kids remember the 90s

>>82986653
>>82986752
I just had a horrifying thought, what if Nu 52 Question is Rorschach.

>>82986990
STOP RAPING MY CHILDHOOD!

>>82986951
I forget but it wasn't very good looking.

I also loved the sequence when Trigon's son puts on Stanger's necklace. It would've been easy to come off as cheesy, but Blanco makes it a powerful scene.

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>>82986978
Spicy vintage meme anon

>>82985791
Now get Kelly to draw it

>>82987001
I dunno man, if the Comedian is one of the Jokers maybe the rest are hiding out pretending to be other characters as well.

>>82986642
A kid is using a stick to hit things, so they're taking away the stick instead of punishing the child.

It's not the right thing to do, nor the best thing to do, but it COULD help

>>82986978
What if all this time we've been running in the 90's?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ0xBCwkg3E

>>82986990
Not a ginger.
So, impossible

>>82987006
It was servicable.
As an endi it was better than the art.

>>82987084
Question gas, don't remember what it's called, can change hair colour.

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>>82980078
>>82980140

So this is actually Dr. Manhattan's blue eyes peaking through a Pandora drag outfit?

>>82985529
Not that anon - how does this sound

>Watchman is solipsistic waste product

>>82987119
did we ever get a satisfying conclusion to the pandora arc? like what the fuck was she doing for the entire new 52?

>>82987212
No. Turns out her box was just a thing that let the Crime Syndicate in.

>>82987212
There was some bullshit in her ongoing.
It can be summed up thusly.

The seven sins were actually alternate universe versions of her that kept making the same mistakes and getting trapped in Pandora's Box.

Then in JLD she upgrades to Angel mode.
Now she's dead.

>>82976282
All it comes down to is how good the writing is going to be. It can be salvaged.

>>82980514
People think there is actually a hidden context, that the Nu52 was actually Watchmen's fault or some retarded shit like that...Nu52 was lame, we know that, but Johns was also one of the creative forces behind that, so fuck you Johns, it's your fault too.

>>82987324
B-b-but muh cereal king

>>82987324
>>82987346
>le cereal king caused New52 meme
New52 was forced by Didio and Lee. They took an arc from his Flash ongoing and forced it into New52.

My money's actually on Conner Kent being used as a placeholder New 52 Superman by the Time Trapper to keep history together since Superman was unavailable or something similar. So then the guy we've been following for 5 years would have been Conner Kent fused to Superman's life somehow to hold history together until things could be repaired.

>>82986436
the saddest, creepiest birthday party scene ever, I mean, he what? Bought that cake himself so he could sit alone in the dark and eat while grinning like a psycho while holding a big knife?

>>82987370
Lee really should slake his thirst for redesigns with totally-not-Exiles book.

>>82976831
I like the sound of this. I've been waiting for an opportunity to get back into DC and this could be it.

Fuck the people who don't like Watchmen being incorporated with canon, this is the best possible way to do it.

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first time posting on /co/ and im not into comics.

this is the most retarded thing i've ever seen, how do you people put up with such dribble?

>>82987504
Stockholm syndrome

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>>82987504
This is nothing compared to a lot of stupid things that the BIG 2 have done,believe me it's not THAT retarded.

>>82987534
why do you stick around and keep reading them then if theres been worse? why not jump ship like a sane person?

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>>82987528
This.
Our current relationship with comics it's like an abusive relationship we want to get away but we always comeback and pay 5 bucks for some shitty 19 pages comic book

>>82987570
>when you have wasted too much time following them and don't have the courage of letting go

>>82987504
>im not into comics.
Then youre a retard for falling into the linde of thinking that Watchmen is some holy grail and you only think that because people told you

Congrats

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>>82987570

>Three Jokers

How long until this gets retconned?

>>82976282
What issue/book is this?

>>82987601
i never said anything about watchmen being some sort of holy grail, where you pull that from?

i asked how can you lot read such literal asspulling nonsense... but fromr eading your comment it looks like asspulling suits you just fine

>>82987613
REBIRTH, it's out this wednesday.

>>82987646
Right on, thanks man.

>>82987570
I've stopped buying monthly comics almost 2 years ago
I still check out some current runs, but only pirating them, if i buy anything it's because i either already know the story or because it's a full book
I'm not american tho, so it's not like my actions impact the industry

But basically this >>82987604. Why would people buy a Spiderman comic after OMD? Why would people buy anything after unecessary reboot #14391? Because we have to know how it goes and if it's worth it. It's like buying a dozen of demos to try understand if you like a videogame or not, by the time you want to stop trying demos you've already beaten half the game. It's a weird industry

I don't get it. Are they trying to make it look like they're a soulless corporation that doesn't understand stories it owns?

>>82987601
its not a Holy Grail but its a fucking classic and one of better works of cape comics, and arguing that is always interesting but overally pointless. I know internet demands things being either perfect or shit buttry to consider that there are classics that are great, not perfect but great and maybe shitting on them for a quick buck is just plain wrong.
God knows Lucifer wasn't a perfect series, but it was really good and watching the tv show take a dump on it was just sad. Same here.

>>82987392
That would explain his fondness for logo t-shirts.

>>82987853
B-but anon, it can work as metacommentary! I'm sure this is a 100% creative decision that has nothing to do with corporation! It's not like they ever tried to whore out Watchmen or anything before...

>>82987864
>maybe shitting on them for a quick buck is just plain wrong.
But Rebirth was never advertised as being a Watchmen continuation so it avoided that

>>82987912
A twist doesn't need advertisement to sell
Did Disney promote Solo's death for Episode VII?

>>82986961
/co/ is really gay, yes

>>82976282
>No matter how good the rebirth books are , people will shit on DC regardless because of this.

I know it would be the same story framework he's written tons of times before, but Morrison would have been a better choice to pull this off. Johns isnt good with the cosmology side of DC , as Darkseid War shows.

>>82987981
And the SJWs complain that comic fans and comics themselves unduly sexualise women. That Shortstacked comic about drawing sexualised males - you know the one - always makes me laugh given the massive popularity of JoJo.

>>82986465
I would legit love a "friendly" rivalry with Uncle Sam in order to stop nazi bad guys.

>>82987084
>Not a ginger.
>So, impossible
The Dark Knight Strikes Again Question is a ginger, he is also probably Jimmy Olsen but they might pull a fast one.

Man this whole thing has made me realize this place is one giant Geoff johns cocksucking festival.

>>82988237
There's another Question in the Suicide Squad who has Rorschach's mannerisms and anti-communist views.

It might be him.

>>82985406
Johns wasn't the one behind the idea of New52 being a reboot. Just look at his Green Lantern, that mostly tried to keep continuity with his run.

>>82988377
The first 12 issues mostly outright ignore the New 52.
What a time that was.

>edgemaster cuts off his face and breaks a police departments necks
>is immortal
>oh noes I know who joker is
>now it's three jokers

"Nom nom nom! Just keep feeding me the shit dc. I love every story involving joker needing some fucking event gimmick."
Wow I never thought I'd agree with the people who want the joker dead But fuck if I don't get it now. Every time he's in a story it's gotta be some bullshit big thing. Can't just be a fucking story with the joker.

What next jokers an alien. Jokers batman from the future. Jokers a superecolved midget sasquatch. It turns out jokers been a ghost this whole time!

>Three Jokers

What is the sauce on this?

Will John join Cooke and Joe Kubert as another victim of the Watchmen curse?

>>82986278
In Rebirth, according to the IGN spoilers, it's stated that New 52 Superman isn't who Clark thought he was.

My theory right now is that the universe picked Kal-L and Pre-Crisis Earth-2 Lois, who died on the pre-Flashpoint world, and used them to replace Pre-Flashpoint Superman and Lois when the world was rebooted, since they weren't there.

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>>82988619

Spoilers for the Rebirth book. There was also this cover revealed a while back. I think, rather than having 3 Jokers running around at once, it'll mostly be used to explain his changing behavior and why he seemingly never died. Although I guess they could make a story out of one of the previous Jokers reappearing alive with a "Joker War" kind of thing.

>>82988624
But they died in Infinite Crisis?
And Paralax Hal who is both Hal Jordan and Paralax, both of which have shown up nu52?

>>82988720
Yes.
Hal also did this weird green ghost thing.

Is this the latest batman issue?

>>82988745
>Hal also did this weird green ghost thing.
Oh shit, that's what his ghosting is going to mean. But that would mean Venditti actually did something right.

>>82988720
>But they died in Infinite Crisis?
Their bodies were still there afterwards though, like shown in Blackest Night.

>And Paralax Hal who is both Hal Jordan and Paralax, both of which have shown up nu52?

Convergence Parallax Hal came from Zero Hour, not directly from the Pre-Flashpoint universe so maybe it's not exactly the same with him.

>>82988332
Sorry there's a thread that isn't about Marvel movies.

>>82986624
>yfw pre 52 Supes leads the League again

>>82988854
Today is probably the most comic heavy /co/ has been in a long while.
This event is crazy and threads are coming out of the woodwork.

>>82988332
>NOT sucking Geoff's cock

You were always the one who was wrong. We told you then, we're telling you now.

>>82988854
I don't mind the thread but holy he'll all the Geoff johns blowing is getting silly.

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the saddest, birthday party scene ever, I mean Damian sort of New Rebirth moment: very lonely.

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>/co/ talking about comics again
>/co/ rebirth

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WHAT

>>82989243
It's a good time to be on /co/.

>>82989130
That's what happens when you are an asshole to everyone

You guys know there's no fucking way they'll actually fix anything, right?

The best case scenario is that White Wally comes back, and that's about it. Everything else will still be stupid nu52 shit.

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I don't know why, but I don't think Dr. Manhattan stole the ten years. Johns could be resurrecting another character who has been known to use time abilities before and it's sort of his pet villain. What if Infinite Crisis II is next summer?

Let's just see where this gos guys.

Where can this even go? Are they going to bring the other Crimebusters in?

>>82976282
Does anyone remember that old fan theory that the DC universe was Dr Manhattan's creation, and that he didn't actually kill Rorschach - instead he remade him as Bruce Wayne, so he could live out the life he deserved?It's canon now.

>>82989638
>man who is repulsed by sex and openly kills criminals is reincarnated as a vigilante who refuses to kill villains to the point of being flat out unreasonable, and now must rape the Joker

Poetry

>>82989728
>and now must rape the Joker
Did I miss something?

>>82989638

Johns did. He truly is a fanboy done good and writing his fan fiction as canon. Based cereal king.

>>82988678
>Joker War
Man, Silver Age Joker will destroy edgy Joker and modern Joker.

>>82989856
>All those Batmen
>Only 1 Superman
I'm mad

>>82985748
>The empty hand is a metaphor for putting down the comic
He is quite literally the opposite of that. The Empty Hand is our hand. The hand that always begs for more and more but never gives anything back. The only way to defeat the empty hand is to put down the comic.

>>82989987
Two, alan scott is fighting one. Also a Superwoman is there.

>>82976282
Why not make V for Vendetta canon too while they're at it?

>>82989856
Is that an asian Wonder Woman?

>>82990011
But putting down the comic resulted in Ultra Comics turning into the Empty Hand. Rereading the comic to keep that from happening keeps you stuck in the Oblivion Machine.

>>82989513

It makes more sense within the universe that it would be Prime.

Under the meta lenses, Dr. Manhattan fits better.

Who would Prime represent now?
Is he trying to make up for before by restoring the past?

>>82990055
It's tied to Miracleman already.

>>82989987
Autism

>>82989819
A /co/ meme

>>82990108
No putting down the comic prevents Ultra Comics from becoming Empty Hand. He begs you to put down the comic and if you don't you get to the part of the story when he becomes Empty Hand.
Stop being wrong.

>>82990055
>V goes to the DCU
>finds out about le Anonymous legion using his mask
>blames moot, tracks him down

>>82987601
I'm pretty sure anon was talking about the stupid multiverse shit.

>>82987504
Because although dc has this fetish for stupid multiverse fuckery when they aren't doing that they make good comics so we have just put up with it over the years.

>>82990160

Shame that 4chan is canon on Marvel but not on DC

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>>82989819
A lot

>>82987417
We all know Damian is going to grow up really fucked.

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>more than one Joker
>imlpying this isn't a thing that's always been out there

>>82986525
Oh fuck it..why not?

>>82976316
I could actually see Moore being okay with it, in the sense that he's really critical of the dark turn comics took after Watchmen. Probably not so much with directly implicating Watchmen characters.

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>>82986525
Make this canon.

>>82986525
I kinda want this.

Does this mean New York is destroyed in the DCU?

>>82990510
>Probably not so much with directly implicating Watchmen characters.
considering he intended most-all of Watchmen's cast to be unlikable bastards I doubt he minds that either

>>82990663
No because Watchmen isnt in the DCU, it createf the DCU

>>82990728
What created the Watchmen Universe?

>>82990754
Dr. Manhattan created the Watchmen universe to create himself, who would then created the DCU.

>>82990754
Batman.

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>>82990510
>>82990690
>Implying anyone but fanboys won't see this as just a cashgrab
>Implying DC gives a fuck about respecting Wathcmen
>Implying DC actually publish less edgy comics because "metacommentary"

>>82990754
The Charlton universe.

>>82976282
That's really clever.

I don't know if I think it's a good decision or not, but it's really clever all the same.

>>82986598
Barry is New 52 Barry.

Wally is supposedly New 52 Wally who disappeared in the 10 years DC lost.

>>82976282
JOKER SPOILERS

"Way back when Batman first sat in the all-knowing Moebius Chair, he asked the Joker’s true identity. He was shocked by the answer, and now we know why.There’s not one Joker – there are three. The original, Jerry Robinson Joker, the Brian Bolland Killing Joke Joker, and the Scott Snyder/Greg Capullo New 52 Joker are all separate people who have operated as the Clown Prince of Crime.It’s not made clear whether any of these Jokers have operated simultaneously, whether it’s a pre-Crisis/post-Crisis kind of switcheroo, or some other explanation, but it’s a mystery that’s sure to get a lot of play in the very near future.”

Here's hoping TKJ Joker kills all the rest

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>>82991300
Oh wow

>>82991300
HOW THE FUCK CAN ENGAME AND TKJ BE DIFFERENT WHEN YEAR ZERO WAS LITERALLY ABOUT RED HOOD

What the fuck

>>82980426

The DC Universe took place over around 15 years pre flashpoint, roughly based on Damians existence. The reboot reduced this to 5 years.

>>82991300
>Based BollandJoker is returning

I am so fucking hype right now.

>>82990510
Do you really think Alan Moore isn't going to be ok with this? Has DC done anything in the last 30 years that Moore hasn't hated?

>>82989445
Batman pls.

>>82977971
HYPERCRISIS

>>82985430

The point of Watchmen was not anti superhero. Moore just likes to think it was he would probably after with this if he weren't bitter on principle.

>>82991479
He actually liked the JLU adaptation of For the Man who Has Everything, I believe. That's about it though.

>>82986530

The 6th member is either Emiko or Blue Beetle

>>82986436
>Making Aqualad gay
oh come on DC Aquaman is already pigeonholed enough for this shit

>>82991300
"World's Greatest Detective"

>couldn't even notice 3 different people

Fucking Johns shitting on Batman at every chance

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>>82983798

>>82991561
Blaqualad was already bi in Young Justice

>>82991561
Blame Greg Weisman.

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>Doctor Manhattan is responsible for the Nu52 and all the problems that came with it
>now the DCU is having a rebirth by Johns
>Snyder, who directed Watchmen, spearheaded the DCEU and all the problems that came with it
>now Johns has been appointed to salvage the DCEU in a Kevin Feige role

POETRY

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>>82991300
How would you feel if Moore Joker killed Snyder and Robinson Joker and Batman eloped with him?

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>>82991300
Looks like we just got some extra work, boys

>>82991561
His creator made him bi already, Johns is just staying true to the character instead of changing shit. This is what is supposed to happen.

>>82991781
>in the marital bed
>bats can't get it up
>joker asks what's wrong
>"don't know. Its different this time...something feels off"
>joker pulls out a gun ans points it at bats
>holy shit
>when he pulls the trigger a little flag pops out that says "no"
>batman is diamonds

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>>82991781
the only Jokers good enough to elope with Batman are the one from Batman Europa and the one from the park bench

>>82991870
Hey, man. TKJ Joker was no dainty babe. He was just as ruthless as his first appearance, maybe slightly less edgy than his DoTF/Endgmame self, but Batman would be diamonds regardless.

Unless you were making a Rorschach reference

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>>82986525
Don't forget Rorschach goes to Superjail

>>82991781
>>82991870
>>82991970
>>82992012
>>82992012
You guys are being silly.

>implying Batman won't just find a way to combine all three Jokers into one
>Robinson's creativity
>Moore's charm
>Snyder's ruthlessness

Batman would never be able to sleep again.

>>82985919
It did not. Nite Owl was Blue Beetle, Rorschach was the Question, Manhattan was Captain Atom. Watchmen itself was nothing more than a grimdark AU of Charlton Comics.

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>>82976282
>Dr. Manhattan created new 52

This reminds me of that one WWE event where Vince McMahon revealed he was the power behind the Ministry of Darkness. Only instead of Vince the madman this time is Alan Moore.

>It's me readers! It was me all along!

>>82992175
>They didn't base Lex Luthor off of Vince McMahon in the DCEU
Literally the biggest dropped ball of the century.

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>>82991300
>Golden age Joker wants to kill Batman
>KJ Joker wants to be killed by Batman
>Modern Joker wants to be fucked by Batman

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>>82992289
We all know who's going to win. It's already been spoilered.

lovewins

>>82987504
>I don't read comics but

why the fuck do you think your uneducated opinion has any merit at all? Why are you even here?

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I hope we get this guy somehow slipped into continuity

>>82987580
>5 bucks doe some shitty 19 pages

So I guess you read only Marvel? You should really try reading some decent comics.

>>82992266
But Lex is supposed to be competent, though.

>>82992444
What are you talking about? Across the industry 3.50+ is the normal floppy price. It's not only Marvel.

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>>82992397

>>82991585
In Snyder's own run he couldn't notice Joker's face when it wasn't Jokerfied.