Rate him on the MCU villain scale.

>AoS
>canon

Who?/10

>>82889238
what star wars movie is this cgi fellow from?

>>82889256

>meme

Better than a lot.

>>82889238
>unironically watching AoS

On par with Malik, slightly higher than Hydra Ward from S2-3.5

Shield is canon, stop with this hating of AoS

>>82889238
squidbro/10

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>>82889238
if they did 12 episodes instead of 22 we could have seen this in more then one scene. Inspite of that however it was fucking awesome, thank god disney is paying ILM to do even the T.V cg

8/10 character

10/10 design

>>82889256
>It's a "MCU is not canon" episode

Literally who?

>>82890959
The post-credits of The Incredible Hulk is the only canon piece of the MCU.

>>82889238
We need webms to shut these guys up.

He looked much better with movement.

>>82889238
Higher than Purple Man, but lower than Stane

>>82889238
Ward/10

>his goal was to leave the dead planet to get revenge on the Kree by turning everyone on Earth into meta humans and also have sex with Daisy

this is why the show isn't canon

>>82889256
>>82890819
>>82890985
>>82891130
Probably my favorite meme right now. Kills me everytime.

>>82889238
Perlmutter's Twenty Third Beach House/10

Although he did look pretty great and had a great fucking finale. Say what you want about SHIELD, but they fucking deliver on the finales like no other capeshow. They usually slow burn it and fart around until them, but when it's time, it's fucking time.

>>82890935
Shame they didn't let him keep the nostrils.

>>82889238
JACK SPARROA

>>82889238
I legitimately thought this was a screencap from a Star Wars cartoon at first.

>>82889238
Hive/Alveus alone, 3/10. Had presence and wasn't a carbon copy of the hero, but that's all. Subpar villain scheme.

SquidWard, as part of Ward's Wild Ride, 10 Sephirotic emanations /10

AoSfags are more in denial than bvs cucks

This makes no sense. Squid Ward inhabits Ward then where did Ward's head go or whatever.

>>82891422
What's wrong with his scheme?

I'm about eight episodes behind on AoS, I'm waiting for season three to come out on Netflix to catch up.

So, is Ward officially dead now, or will they find another way to keep Brett on the show?

>>82889238

I liked how he accepted his defeat. Realizing he was beaten he just accepted it and even had a calm talk with Lincoln as they waited out their final moments. I can dig big bads like that.

>>82889238
What's Garrus doing in the MCU?

>>82891576
>This makes no sense. Squid Ward inhabits Ward then where did Ward's head go or whatever.
I imagine it burst out from inside.

>>82891576
I'll admit to judging harshly, I always do with "...and rule the world!" kind of schemes. To be entirely fair, the savior complex and worship of Hive by the cult in Hydra was fun.

>>82891607

>So, is Ward officially dead now, or will they find another way to keep Brett on the show?

Both.

>>82891607
He exploded in space riding warhead that is probably some kind of nuclear. So it's unlikely he'll come back.

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Eternally grateful for this scene. Hopefully he comes back next season

>>82891233
>implying Ike Perlmutter even has a house

>>82891628

It was like how Loki accepted his defeat in the first Avengers movie, only without the imminent death.

>>82891655
His scheme to rule the world was at least tied with mind control. So it should work. He seemed critical of humans' self-destructive tendencies and he thought making people into inhumans is a reward. Too bad he got them Primitives, but he probably ruled those are good enough. There's still probably enough inhumans to keep things pretty.

>>82891641
Well,when hit with that rocket launcher in the shoulder he reshaped his flesh almost instantly, so I'm guessing that's how he changes, by rapidly shifting and growing new tissue.

His "Ward" face post-squid-face isn't the exact same skin and muscle, it's just Hive's turned into the same shape. Sort of like how human tissues recycle all their materials over months and years, with few exceptions. Kind of Ship of Theseus, kind of just very fast human tissue growth (without aging).

>>82891694
Ghost Rider?

>>82891760
A likely shout-out. The guy himself is Gambit knockoff.

>>82891731
Yeah, his vision of the future as a bee-like "Hive" with primitives as the workers (in a sort of twisted comics-Inhumans backstory way) and everyone else working in concert with him was well done. Something he could legitimately believe in, and it makes the name Hive fit at least as well as Secret Warriors.

>>82891760
>>82891780
And here I thought people on /co/ actually read comics
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/James_Taylor_James_(Earth-616)

>>82891760
Kinda. In the comics he's Carter Slades grandson and had a hellfire chain (his codename). In the show they re did him as an aussie inhuman, and that scene was a shout out to his comicbook self
>>82891841
>/co/
>reading comics

>>82889265
Found the casual.

>>82892426
No you found someone who doesn't watch shitty tv programming

>>82891493
>>82891511
>>82891531
>>82891547
>>82891568
>>82891581
>>82891624
>using VLC
Could you be any more of a pleb?

>>82892467
Oh, here's another one

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>>82889238
>>82889267
Hillary loves him.

>>82891039
>Higher than Purple Man
That's like saying "tastier than shit"

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>>82889238
DIO/10

>tfw Season 4 has a villain that can turn a regular human to a full Inhuman in a small town, and Daisy goes to investigate it, making friends with the newly turned Inhumans

>>82889238
What mass effect character is this?

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>>82891493

>>82891504
I think the NOT CANON REEEE fags are in more denial.

Actually with Perlmutter and the Marvel comics creative control out of Marvel Studios hair there is alot more potential now for Fiege to work with Loeb and Netflix on Movie/TV continuity.

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>>82892514
>Could you be any more of a pleb?
Well, let me think. I don't read comics, I watch Arrow only for Olicity, and I use VLC. So, yes, yes I could :-)

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>>82889238
I wish it was affordable to use this look more. I think it was so cool, and comical, but still cool, to see him run around in an ''edgy'' human body with a squid face. It looked super good in motion. Can't believe these same guys totally butchered Lash's look.

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>>82891493

But Agents of SHIT isn't part of the MCU

>>82894369
THICC

>>82894369
woah mama

>>82891504
What's to be in denial about, friend? I know it only has 1 season left, but that might work out for the best.

>>82891607
Ward has been dead for half a season,

>>82894579
>You just KNOW

>>82894626
What you mean?

>>82894743
He's implying they banged.

>>82894743
Tentacle porn.

What's the non canon guy's deal? Why is he doing this? What does he have to gain from this?

>>82894994
What do any of us have to gain posting here other than doing something meaningless until we eventually die?

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>>82894994
Attention, maybe.

>>82889238
Clone Wars character?

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>>82894994
>What's the non canon guy's deal?
But he's right. You know it. Deep inside you know he's right.

>>82894994
There's stupid canon talk everywhere now. Why are people questioning which of the Hulk movies are part of the MCU? Come on.

>>82895165
>Help us, Almighty Felicity! Help our show becomes canon.

>>82895165
He's right that the movies will probably not reference the shows unless Ike Permutter dies.

But it's still canon.

I'm holding out for a Daredevil cameo at least.

>>82895165
In a sprawling franchise written by committee concept of canon is absurd.

>>82895207
>Permutter
What does he have to do with all this shit?

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Based Ward will be missed.

Here's him with Mrs. Ward and little Ward.

>>82895237
There's bad blood between Perlmutter, who controls the shows and Feige who controls the movies.

Them cooperating is unlikely.

>>82895239
What else have e been in? Anything coming up?

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>>82895239
>Based Ward will be missed.
Wait. He's not coming back?

>>82892514
What do you use? If there is something better I'd like to know about it.

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>>82895301
He ded

>Coulson rebuilds a helicarriar that Fury uses in AOU, with Fury saying it came from an old friend

>AOS somehow still not canon

>>82895301
Probably as a guest star demonstrating how a LMD can work for the kicks.

Still have cuntward and limeyward, aka. the commonwealthwards, but the main dude is kill.

We've entered the period known as Afterward.

>>82895278
What is meant by bad blood?

>>82895366
Just stop denying it.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/agents-of-shield-star-says-marvel-doesnt-care-enough-ab-1777057136?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_twitter&utm_source=io9_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

>>82895398
Feige out-jewed the biggest Jew in Disney. He took his paycheck and is now the Marvel Studios head. Perlmutter got relegated to toys, tv and tcomics.

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>>82895444
Perlmutter is also kind of a fuck if you read about him.

AoS is as canon to the MCU as the Shrek rape fanfic is to Shrek.

>>82895433

It's canon anon, just because Chole Bennett is mad because marvel won't put her into a movie doesn't mean it's not canon, that also doesn't prove my statement wrong

>>82895531
He's like a sitcom character.

>>82895576
It's funny from an outside perspective I guess.

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I RENOUNCE MY HUMANITY, COULCOUL!

I'M MOVING BEYOND HUMANITY!

I'LL USE YOUR REVENGE, COULCOUL!

>>82895565
Do you also believe the earth is flat by any chance?

>>82895531
That's the only known photo of Perlmutter, from 1985, he looks like a character from Mad Men.

>>82895660

You have yet to tell me how AOU thing is not canon other then a article about how Chole doesn't like marvel

>>82895660
eblin

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>>82895366
>Coulson rebuilds a helicarriar that Fury uses in AOU
I saw movies, Coulson is dead. So he couldn't rebuild anything.

>>82894369
Is this her?

>>82894579
Is she going to be be the new Jenna after AoS ends?

>>82895711
Whedon, you know the guy who did two Avengers movies, also stated it. A dick move against his brother to be certain, but that should cement the discussion.

>>82895835
Directors have also said that Thor and the Asgardians are purely tech and not magical at all, doesn't make it true.

>>82895835

Whedon being upset over it does not make AOS uncanon. As awesome as he is, he is just the director of two movies and helped on the phase 2, and his involvement on AOS is minor. If Kevin Fiege said was non canon that it would be. But no, the series is canon. His comments don't have anything to do with it being canon or not anyway. He is just saying he regrets that decision happening. They have nothing to do with canonicty.

>>82895878
LMAO, but it does. No wonder you're a SHIELD-canon fag.

>Just because the author says so doesn't make it canon

Give a break.

>>82895918
And then he was fired.

>>82895918
What exactly does he say that makes it non-canon? 'Cause I'm sure I can find an article that states the contrary.

>>82895165
As far as I'm concerned Arrow is non canon to the rest of the CWverse

>>82895971
He said it's unlikely the movies will ever show Coulson again.

>>82895971
He stated point blank that he doesn't consider his brother's subpar work to be canon.

>>82889238
Easily one of the best. I'll miss you Ward.

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>>82895979
>CWverse
You mean Felicityverse?

>>82892514
I just realized that the scene with Fitz wearing the mocap gear is literally a behind the scenes look at how they did Hive.

>>82894452
Honestly, if this last episode was the series finale instead of season finale then I'd still be satisfied.

I mean, Ward gone now. There really isn't much point to the show without him. His death scene was the most heart wrenching of any MCU death.

Based Ward died for our sins.

>>82891511
>>82891531
>>82891547
>Quake
Oh hey, I missed that. Neat. So once again following the wonderful trend of newspapers naming superheroes/villains.

>>82891607
Yes, he's dead, but the post-credits stinger does actually give a way for Dalton to return on the show as a new character.

LMD Ward

>>82896223
The figure was definitely female. Trans-ward?

>>82895331
google "cccp"
You fucking pleb

>>82896040
No he didn't. He said he didn't want Coulson showing up in AoU because it would be jarring for people who only watch the movies and AoU was already too overstuffed to shove in a "oh by the way, this guy who died in the last movie is back and here's an exposition dump as to why, ok bye. Pls watch my show."

>>82896281
If he can make one LMD, he can make more. No reason his first LMD would be Ward, but once that LMD goes rogue and starts making her own LMDs (because of course that'll happen), then she might throw a Ward in to mix things up.

Anons, if you would have to choose ONE character from AoS to appear in movies, to be the one to confirm the canonity of the show, who would you choose?

I myself would like to see General Glen "Call me Glen, occasionally" Talbot

>>82896332
Very informative post 10/10

>>82896366
>>82896415


Stop talking about this show it's not canon

>>82896366
Stop lying.

>>82896446
I wish Mr. Ward's wild ride would enfulge the whole MCU.

>>82895979
Oliver is barely canon in his own show.

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>>82891547
>No Daily Bugle

>>82897025
>Expecting Bugle to get distracted from their anti-Spiderman vendetta

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>>82897088
PARKER! GET ME PICTURES OF QUAKE!

>>82897025
There is the bulletin, though.

Bugle will probably be on the movie side. Heck, it'll likely be founded/renamed on the movie.

>>82891531
"The Sokovian Accords" - Newspaper on the right

>make pretty cool design for main villain of show
>budget's too low, can only show it twice
>and one of those times is only from behind

Damn shame they rushed his arc also. But asking for anything better than "okay" in AoS is wishful thinking.

>>82895835
>Two Avengers movies
>out of the entire MCU
yeah, fuck off Joss

>>82896700
>Oliver
You mean that arrow guy? Olibur or something. He's just Felicity's sidekick, why would you want him more?

>>82897025
>>82897088
>>82897406
>>82897748
The Bugle was only negotiated to be used in MCU properties.

>>82895366
AoU was explicitly written without AoS in mind. It's where the whole meme started in the first place.

>>82899511
It's like the whole Metroid Other M stink, people conflate standalone with striking things from the canon.

>>82899511
>http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Agents-H-I-E-L-Used-Fill-Key-Avengers-Age-Ultron-Gap-71684.html
>Now, when Nick Fury goes away and comes back with a Helicarrier, that seems like a big chunk of off screen story. Is that something we might see referenced on SHIELD?

>Feige: I think it’s fair to say you could fill in some of those blanks in the coming weeks on Tuesday at 9.

>>82896446
Coulson needs to show up again, and then when shit goes south, he'll say "we've got an agent ready to help" and Quake shows up to BTFO everybody

For me he's my favorite if only because of how he was so calm and accepting of his death, just floating there chatting with Lincoln until they blew up, y'know, instead of whining like a bitch like some of the other villains have done.

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>>82889238
>>82894147

>can't make an AoS thread without le non canon meme

Sigh

>>82899762
So it's as canon as fanfics about what Budapest was.

>>82899855
Yeah, he realised he lost and accepted it. His death scene was great.

>>82899869
Awesome! Thank you!

>>82889238
>>82899869
He's pretty hot.

>>82899971
Sure, if those fanfics were officially created by Marvel.

>>82894369
Now that the show is after 10 PM, the FCC won't object to things like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpBqKBSMc6g

I know it won't happen, but I can dream...

Who's this AIDA?
New director of shield?

Fuck I hate seasons finale

>>82900106
Fuck that kid's ears

>Bad guy accepts what's coming to him and shares a bonding moment with the sacrificing hero
You don't see this often enough

>>82900121
Nah, just Dr. Radcliff's AI helper who will no doubt get uploaded into that LMD from the end of the episode.

The comic Radcliff is from a mini called Machine Teen, where Radcliff's employee uploads his AI helper (ADAM) into an LMD-like robotic body to be his "son". They're presumably doing that except instead of a male LMD/AI named ADAM (Autonomously Decisive Automated Mechanism) it'll just be ADA (Autonomously Decisive Automaton).

AIDA was also the Tom Thumb's AI helper from Greunwald's Squadron Supreme, but that's obviously not what they're referencing here.

>>82895888
>If Kevin Fiege said was non canon that it would be.
For the record, I don't think Feige has officially come out either way, but he replied to an interviewer who asked about the helicarrier from AoU by saying it would be fair to say you could fill in the gapsby watching the show. I think that "fair to say" comment, essentially is a noncommittal way to say "It's canon if you watch it, but if you don't, it won't matter"

Will the Avengers acknowledge that a nuke blew up in space and that the human race almost went extinct?

Ward will rise again shedding all of the weaker personas of Hive and reviving the dead heads of Hydra

>>82900250
I wanted Ward to do that, or at least spend his final moments before death calling Coulson out and kicking off Coulson's whole "man I fucked up, revenge isn't healthy" character development rather than his reappearance as Hive being the actual initiator.

But this was nice. I didn't expect Hive to break out of Ward's shadow but there he went.

>>82899869
That thing looked far better than I would ever expect from a TV budget

>>82900368
It is canon though. You faggots have a hard time with the difference between "canon" and "integrated well".

>>82900921
>You faggots
Calm down dude, I'm not the enemy here.

>>82900942
You're acting like one of the memers though.

AoS being canon isn't up for debate, and anyone who thinks it is doesn't understand what "canon" means.

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>>82894369
well with Peggy now gone from the MCU I guess Daisy is now officially my favorite MCU girl.

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>>82901010
No one is ever "gone" from the MCU, that's the magic

Peggy could still show up somewhere

And Peggy is still the cream of the crop

>>82901109
Peggy is kill

>>82901144
L M D

>>82900376
Why would they. For one, by the time the next Avengers movie comes out, this'll have happened years ago. Second off, they might not even find out. It'd be one thing if Hive succeeded, but he didn't.

>>82900376
SECRET
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http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/agents-of-shield-executive-producers-break-down-the-teams-victory-loss-future

>After watching Ward evolve from a member of S.H.I.E.L.D., to Hydra agent, to Hive, why did it feel that this was the time to let him go?

>Whedon: One of the reasons we closed that chapter was to start a very different, very new chapter next year. We're very excited about it, but that's as specific we can get.

ROBOWARD IS HAPPENING BABY

>>82901274
You didn't think Allfather Ward was truly gone, did you?

>>82901274
>every season has a new form of Ward

>dead alien Ward, robot Ward, evolved energy being Ward, computer virus Ward, time travelling Ward, alternate dimension Ward

Agents of W.A.R.D.

>>82901210
It's a fucking nuke.

Every country in the world probably noticed.

Starcraft's "NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED" isn't a meme game mechanic, it's something every country actually has and cares about.

That tiny blip you see isn't representative of how big the explosion actually is. You should be able to see that shit from the ground.

>>82901210
This is my main problem with these shows, you know the bads will never win because that would affect the movies, and we know that will never happen.

>>82901210
For starters a nuke at that altitude would cause an EMP in half Europe, they'll know, fuck, literally the whole planet will know.

So this is like MCU Earth 2 or what

>>82901372
Well, you also know the really big bads won't win in the movies, either, because that would affect later movies. How could Ultron destroy the world and yet Ant-Man happen three months later? It's a fundamental limitation of an ongoing franchise.

Smaller-scale plots, though, ones that affect the main cast and their organizations more than the wider setting, THOSE have a chance of succeeding.

>>82901372
You know the bads will never win because it's a fucking superhero franchise

You think Thanos is gonna win Infinity War?

>>82901361
They didn't use a nuclear warhead.

At least I hope the writers knew to not use a thermonuclear explosion to disperse a biological agent that could go all loopy between the heat and radiation on top of the EMP that'd ensue from high altitude detonation.

Really they'd only need the ICBM's body as a delivery method, the warhead would've been a non nuclear one by inherent nature if the payload is mutagen gas.

Also they aborted a silo launch and usually you notice ICBMs during boost phase anyway.

Honestly this only went as far as "they almost launched an ICBM, no one needs to know what didn't happen though!"

>>82900986
Whedon said it was canon. Has anyone at the movie division?

>>82891841
They changed up his power enough that he was totally Australian Gambit, though.

>>82900827
That's fucking movie quality.

>>82901590
You don't need to fucking query every person and get 100 "canon" votes to makes something canon

If Marvel/Disney say "part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe", then it's canon. Nothing else is needed. Stop these autistic "tests" already.

>>82901476
>>82901499
Thing is, you can blow up Europe in the movies if you want, you can't even blow up Hawaii in the shows.

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>>82901109
>And Peggy is still the cream of the crop
oh without doubt she is. but with her gone for the foreseeable future I have to live with Daisy. which is not a bad thing.

>>82901645
Yeah and Daredevil can't have New York be wiped off the map, so what?

It's about the stories they tell, not about needing to blow up states or countries.

By your logic AoU is the best movie ever because OMG BLEW UP AN ENTIRE COUNTRY when that was one of the worst things in that film.

>>82901645
They kinda brought more crime to the state of Maryland if you think about it.

Imagine if drug lords got ahold of anything remaining of Hydra's materiel. Baltimore would be in a perpetual state of hell fire.

>>82901499
>You know the bads will never win
In the movies, Loki is currently king of Asgard, and Zemo has caused the Avengers to split and fracture.

>>82901717
>Baltimore would be in a perpetual state of hell fire.
Yeah, but that's just your average Tuesday.

>>82901725
Minor victories, the world is still saved in the end.

>>82901710
Is not about blowing shit up, read between lines, is about the shows being only reactive

>>82901762
They're status-quo changers. AoS can't really have those.

>>82896446
If Hawkeye weren't so Ultimate and so Nakedly Replaced by Lance, Bobbi.

Since that relationship won't work in the MCU, Talbot. Especially since Ross is Secretary of State. Having Talbot show up in the capacity of "Ross loyalist"/"ATCU Leader" would make plenty of sense in the post-Civil War landscape.

>>82901763
>>82901791
AoS has it's own status quo that it can change all it wants.

>it won't affect the movies

So fucking what? Why is this a criticism? I watch the show for the show. It doesn't take away anything knowing they can't blow up Hawaii or some dumb shit.

>>82901707
Why is this the only sexy picture of her?

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>>82901880

>>82901880
did you not see
>>82894369

>>82901897
Is that really her though?

>>82889238
Who?

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>>82902134
SquidWard

>>82902239
Thanks

>>82901628
It's just that from quotes it kind of seems like something Whedon wanted to do that he was able to sell to the TV division and ABC, but no one at the movie division really wanted it, or intended to treat as part of the CINEMATIC Universe they were already building.

"I think actually the movie people were a little bit cross about the TV show. They were sort of like ‘Well you can have this but not this. And this but not that.’ It’s complicated enough as it is without me adding another layer of complication."
-Joss Whedon


Canon: 3
[Middle English, from Late Latin, from Latin, standard]
c : a sanctioned or accepted group or body of related works

Canon is about what's accepted. Agents of SHIELD has certainly been accepted by Ike Perlmutter, ABC and the TV division, but had to be negotiated for by Whedon in such a way that it wouldn't get in the way of what they were building, and they would never really have to acknowledge it, or prove that it was part of the story.

>>82902280
That's just standard shit when having a shared universe. It doesn't make it not canon. It means the show has difficulty fully realizing the universe as it's blocked from using certain things, characters, events, etc.

You still clearly don't know what canon means if you think this affects canon in any way.

>>82902280
Unless SPECIFICALLY stated by Keven Feige that the TV shows aren't canon, nothing can be stated otherwise. No if's, and's, or buts.

>>82902372
>You still clearly don't know what canon means
refer to
> c : a sanctioned or accepted group or body of related works

That's the dictionary definition. It's about acceptance or sanctioning. So the question becomes "accepted or sanctioned by who?" Did Whedon go to Feige and the guys he started a shared universe with, and get permission to make a show? Or did he go over their heads, to Ike or over to Dan Loeb, and say "Hey, I want to do a TV show set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe", and then have to negotiate for things, after Feige was told he had to work it out?

So if it's all about whether the parent company sanctioned the thing, then it's canon for sure.

But the idea of a "shared universe" relies on the idea that the different creators are sharing the responsibility of creating the universe. Star Wars novels at least established the planet of Coruscant as the name of the imperial capital, and the Emperor's name as Palpatine. The movies said "Thanks!" and used that. If the Marvel movies completely ignore everything that the show builds, then they're not sharing responsibility for building the universe. They're building their own universe, and "sharing" it by letting the TV show play with it when they're done.

>>82901361
>It's a fucking nuke.
No it wasn't, it was just a warhead. They needed something that would disperse the mist across the planet. A nuke would cause the mist to become irradiated and just kill everything.

>>82902401
>Unless SPECIFICALLY stated by Keven Feige that the TV shows aren't canon, nothing can be stated otherwise.
Why? If in your mind, Feige is the arbiter of what's canon, doesn't that mean it's the burden of him to say he accepts it before it's actually accepted? Please refer to the definition. It's "Accept" not "fail to flat out reject".

>>82901451
It wasn't a nuclear warhead, just a regular warhead.

>>82902955
If Marvel/Disney didn't want it to be canon, they would say it's not canon. They put it in the same universe on purpose. It's canon. There's no debate about this.

>>82898217
no the gay smart black guy is Felicity sidekick, that blonde guy is just some guy Felicity claims to care about but all she does is verbally abuse him

>>82889238
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>>82903119
Then you've decided that it's the parent company that decides whether it's canon. That's fine. But all that means is that it's part of a canon shared universe, sanctioned by the company. Not part of a canon shared universe that Feige started, and built with the movies, because it was never intended by anyone there to be part of th shared project they were building. Meaning it's pointless to talk about it like that.

So if someone is talking about the movies, and how the Red Skull founded HYDRA, and they're corrected by someone saying "Actually, HYDRA was founded a long time ago to bring back a million year old Inhuman" that person is wrong in terms of the movies. They have been very clear that HYDRA was a Nazi science division that went rogue, tried to take over the world, and has survived by hiding itself within other organizations since then.

>>82903317
>Then you've decided that it's the parent company that decides whether it's canon.

That's literally how canon works. Thanks for confirming yet again you don't understand it.

>>82903462
>That's literally how canon works
Prove it. Prove that it's corporate intent and not artistic vision that determines what's part of a story. Find one source for your definition.

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>>82901344
>every season has a new form of Ward
Can America's heroes do anything original?

>>82903535
>m-muh sources

Disney/Marvel decide canon. You can decide whether they're integrated well or not. That doesn't mean shit to canon. Canon is official, not nerds on a Chinese imageboard deciding this or that.

Get the fuck over it.

>>82903535
> it's corporate intent and not artistic vision

It's proven by the fact the corporation is running the cinematic universe, and the artists come and go.

It's owned by Disney and Marvel, not the writers of Captain America: The First Avenger.

>>82903675
>Disney/Marvel decide canon
I'm sure you can find at least one source to show That's what canon means then. You replied to
>Then you've decided that it's the parent company that decides whether it's canon.
by saying
>That's literally how canon works.
Support your assertion, or admit that that's just what you assume canon means.

>>82903775
LMAO that's what canon IS you delusional fool. I'm sorry I don't have an article with Walt Disney writing the specifications of canon handy, but you can stay in denial all you want.

>>82903832
>stay in denial all you want.
I haven't denied anything, except what you have yet to support. You made an assertion with no evidence. I challenged you to support it. You fell back on insults because you have no argument.

>>82903006
He has accepted and mentioned Agents of SHIELD before? I'm entirely sure what's going on here, or where you're going with this.

>>82903901
Marvel makes the "Marvel Cinematic Universe"

Marvel says Agents of SHIELD is in the "Marvel Cinematic Universe"

That's it. There's nothing to debate here. You have nothing.

>>82903929
I'm not*

>>82903942
Except they've never said that. In fact, countless actors, directors, writers, producers, and even caterers have said that it's not canon.

>>82904007
Nice meme

>>82904007
Source?

>>82904061
Google it. I'm not going to spoonfeed it for you, because I'm about to go out for dinner.

>>82903929
He gave a politician's answer about it once, if that's what you mean. I believe the exchange you're referring to was
>Q. Now, when Nick Fury goes away and comes back with a Helicarrier, that seems like a big chunk of off screen story. Is that something we might see referenced on SHIELD?
>Feige: I think it’s fair to say you could fill in some of those blanks in the coming weeks on Tuesday at 9.

Note how he doesn't say "That tells the backstory of how we say this happened" He says "You COULD fill in some of those blanks".

>>82904061
His ass

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>he thinks it has to pass some sort of "test" to be canon
>he thinks canon is artistic, not corporate

top kek

>>82904105
But that's you job. Because otherwise you just look like a complete retard who's just trying to bait for responses.

>>82903942
>Marvel says Agents of SHIELD is in the "Marvel Cinematic Universe"
Who said it?

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>>82899869
On the same show as this

>>82904403

>Antibiotic Lash
>Vaccine Lash

>>82904403
Does he also have the power of running fast and collecting golden rings like that girl from season2?

>>82904379
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/agents_of_shield/confirmed-shield-tv-pilot-takes-place-after-marvels-the-avengers-a72529

First one I found with a bit of Googling.

>>82904551
"There is no question that it is part of the Marvel Universe. In fact, the story takes place after the battle for New York." Despite its connection to the MCU, Lee reiterates that it's more stand-alone. "This is S.H.I.E.L.D. They’re following their own particular stories. There are characters in it, Coulson, who clearly comes from Avengers. So it’s part of the world, but we’re going to be very, very careful that we don’t tread on the toes of the features and build a whole new world. And that’s what Joss Whedon does better than anybody else. He’s built a world for us."

>There's no question that it is part of the Marvel Universe

>Marvel Universe

That's more damning than anything else. He was unwilling to use he phrase "Marvel Cinematic Universe" when referring to the show.

>>82904739
Cool autism, bro.

>>82904777
It's classic politician speak. They asked the president of ABC if it was part of the MCU and he said "Well its definitely part of the Marvel Universe!"

So if you were trying to find a source from someone who is in charge of Marvel or the Marvel Cinematic Universe confirming it, you didn't. You found a Television guy promoting a show he's selling, while most likely doing his best not to violate something that says Feige is in charge of the "Marvel Cinematic Universe" construct.

>>82904982
Here's your (you)

>>82905054
So nothing then? One TV branch president almost saying it's in the MCU, but not actually saying it, and nothing else?

>>82905154
>First one I found with a bit of Googling

Here's your (you)

>>82905213
Then find something that supports your point.

>>82905278
You first.

I'll need 27 sources that Agents of SHIELD is officially non-canon before your point is even remotely valid.

>>82905326
>your point
Which post are you referring to?

>>82905385
That one where you act like an autist.

>>82905408
I guess you're talking about the one where I said "Marvel Universe" is not the same as "Marvel Cinematic Universe"
It speaks for itself. Lee never said Marvel Universe and Marvel Cinematic Universe were the same thing. By saying it comes after the Avengers, he explicitly confirmed that the things that had happened in the movies so far would be accepted going forward in the show, but he never said they were one and the same.

>>82905567
Yeah, autism, like I said.

>>82905680
Prove me wrong then, faggot.

>>82905725
Still waiting on those 27 links.

>>82905863
I don' see the point of this. You're intentionally trying to shut down the argument by asking me to prove something that I never said.

>>82906170
I don't see the point of this. You're intentionally trying to shut down the argument by asking me to prove something that I never said.

>>82901144
That's hardly a problem when the character's prime exists entirely in flashbacks.

>>82894369
HOLY FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>82906212
So you're not saying that Agents of SHIELD is MCU? You're saying you don't actually have anything to prove that?

>>82906326
So you're saying that Agents of SHIELD is MCU? You're saying you don't actually have anything to prove otherwise?

>>82906393
Sure, why not.

>>82904296
kek

>>82904351
It's my job to educate you on how to do a simple google search? Fuck you AoSHITEATER.

>>82906706
Thought so.

>>82891694
That looks awful

>>82907101
God damn you're lazy.

>>82907467
>judging by a 2 second choppy gif

>>82904403
The wig/faceclay is ridiculous, but why can't fucking FOX get this kind of paint for their blue cunts?

>>82891607

Brett's out for the moment. He's not a regular next season.

Though he himself says he wouldn't be surprised if he ended up appearing again somehow, for the moment he's no longer connected to the show.

I'm pretty sure the official Marvel Website doesn't acknowledge anything except the movies as part of the "Marvel Cinematic Universe".

>>82895239
>Blond Ward
>Ward-in-training

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>>82895384
>We've entered the period known as Afterward.

>>82889238
Better than Sonic the Edgehog in any case.

Any word on when season three is coming to Netflix?

>>82901274
Whedon still works on this show?

>>82910451
Jed Whedon does.

Oh, BTW, on the subject of MCU or not

>http://comicbook.com/2016/01/03/joss-whedon-clarifies-that-he-has-no-more-involvement-in-marvel-/
>Marvel is complicated in that we’re part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and so after Mr. Loeb we’ll run it through New York, Joe Quesada, Dan Buckley and those guys. We pitch our stuff to Kevin Feige and his movie group to see if there’s something we can tie into, to see if they’re okay about us using a character, or a weapon or some other cool thing.

-Jeff Bell, Agents of SHIELD showrunner

>>82894369
Sweet mother of christ

>>82895800
Nope.

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>>82902239

>>82889238
I liked him more as a bad guy when he wasn't Hive.

>>82895749

Man, Bakshi was such a wonderful Hydra guy.

>>82912279
Until shot dead by Murder!Simmons.

I'm gonna miss Ward's Wild Ride...

>>82912509
I already miss Ward's Wild Ride.

>>82894579
Brett has a kid? Good on him. He must raise her to terrorize his cast mates.

Damn I missed last episode, Squid Ward looks pretty good. I miss anything?

>>82913709
Yes, the entire finale. Go find a download and give it a watch.

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>LMD's season 3
>LMD Ward becomes a regular character
>The LMD is a good version of Ward
>finally a member of the team
>Season finale LMD Ward betrays the team

>>82889238

Elventacle/tentacle

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>>82895291
There's some indie movies he's going to be in, most notably, one where he plays an ex-college footballer playing some traditional Italian sport

>>82914477
>playing some traditional Italian sport
Tell me it's gladiator fighting.

>>82900106
>Showing a bare female ass on Network TV
>In CURRENT YEAR

>>82907520

It's literally the copy/paste followup to you asking him for source. Stop falling for stale bait.

The AoS Season finale last night was better than the movie. With better crisis, fights, resolution, and tease of what's to come. Re-watch factor is high for both episodes.

The only thing I want to re-watch from CW is Aunt ToMay.

tfw the Hydra guy from AoS is in AoU, forever linking the show to the MCU.

Sway was amazing. Not a fan of emo Daisy, but whatever. Lincoln many based.

Ready for the next season but YAWN at Mummy bro.

>>82891130
Sounds like a good plan to me. Could use more sex with Daisy and less everything else though desu

>>82889238

MCU has villains?

>>82904510
I remember that thread

>>82915152
>tfw the Hydra guy from AoS is in AoU, forever linking the show to the MCU.
He appeared in TWS first.

>>82899869

So Star Wars is canon to the MCU now?

Is that Kit Fisto's gay lover?

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>>82889238

Is that supposed to be Death's Head II or something?

>>82909988
Usually a week before s4 premieres.

>>82895805
>Jenna

You know I laugh at the more recent episodes. Fits is the one with brain damage and yet she is the one that acts autistic.

>>82899869
I can't stand Agents of SHIT but that is fucking good CG. Better than most movies, let alone TV shows.

>>82891493
Infamous: Second Son?

>>82915923
lel. Daisy is Delsin.

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>>82916580
Daisy is Fetch, her BF died instead of her brother so now she's emo

Hopefully that means yoga pants confirmed next season

>>82916986
Ah yeah, I need to play through First Light and Second Son again. Hell, I may as well replay the first two as well!

>>82889238

Mind Flayer/10

>>82899699
Metroid Other M directly contradicts other Metroid games though. AoS doesn't actually contradict any movies as far as I know.

>>82915521
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Hive_(Earth-616)

Where was Fagneto? Who's the new director? Have FitzSimmons left SHIELD to work for John Hannah? So many bloody questions.

>>82918612
Fagneto got shot by Fitz with an invisi-gun. FitzSimmons are still at shield, having sex in exotic places. John Hannah is consulting with them on certain projects (LMDs, etc) while remaining independent.

>>82893006
Fuck you, Purple man is the second best Marvel Villain so far.

>>82918921
>thinking that's praise
Purple Man is complete garbage anyway. It only shows how low this board's standards are when they praise him.

>>82918951
K

>>82899869
>>82889238
How come he can even transform his dead host bodies into a squidmonster?

>>82919105
Because that's what he does? Takes over bodies and use them but he's still Hive

>>82918612
>Who's the new director?
The rumor from another forum is that it's a MCU character that's appeared in the show before. Robin Sparkle

>>82919351
And why? did Coulson stepped back, did Sparkles took his job because he fucked up?

>S3 was all about aliens...like Avengers 1
>S4 is going to be about robots...like AoU

>>82918921
Stane, Cross, Loki, Zemo, Fisk, Sam Rockwell, Pierce, Zola, Crossbones and Ronan are all better.

He beats Ultron and Killian tho I guess.

>>82919351
>Civil War in full swing
>Hill takes over as SHIELD director

Oh boy

>>82919427
>Stane, Cross, Zola, Crossbones, Ronan
>better

Shit taste: The Post

>>82919460
Being better than purple man isn't some high praise anon

Also Cross is like top 5 in the MCU

>>82918612
I think FitzSimmons are still with shield, just taking that vacation SImmon's planned.

>>82919486
Being contrarian doesn't make you cool, anon.

>>82919536
>le contrarian meme
And fuck off.

>>82919563
Lmao, touched a nerve I see.

>>82915652

Fuck off, retard.

i wasn't paying much attention, what happened to 'Straya in the end?

>>82919607
>Boregravefags always resort to rampant shitposting because someone criticizes their shitty villain
Yawn.

>>82919649
I think they just took him out before he sneak bombed Lincoln, so he's probably in custody

>>82919649
Punched out.

>>82919665
>contrarians always resort to trying to sound hip and cool by disagreeing with popular opinion
Yawn.

>>82901853
>I watch the show for the show
You poor fuck

>>82919688
Nice meme

>>82895165
>those fucking hoverhands

>>82919694
His hand is clearly touching Felicity

>>82919679
Seriously, quit it.
Your attempts at trolling are pathetic.

>>82919694
Hand clearly touching the blonde, wrist resting on shoulder of brunette. Grow up.

>>82904061
How is that anon supposed to give you a source for someone NOT saying something?

Surely it's on you to find someone within the MCU who points out that it actually is connected.

Why the fuck can't you fags just enjoy your shitty show on its own without trying to force it on stuff that people actually enjoy?

>>82919715
Seriously, quit it.
Your attempts at trolling are pathetic.

>>82904739
Wow. I guess it's actually not canon. Burden of proof is on the AoS fans to justify their steaming turd.

>>82919774
Samefag

>>82919779
Nice try anon. I'm just fucking astounded that the anon actually tried to construct an argument and used an example only to get meme replies.

I don't know why exactly - just confirms that AoS fans are brain-dead. Who knew right?

>>82919774
Nice meme bro. It has been stated time and time again how AoS is canon, by the creators, the company, marvel studios and the fucking show itself.
Prove that it isn't part of the vanon. so far all arguments have been "I DON'T WANNA IT TO BE CANON"

>>82919811
Here's your (you)

>>82919762
(You)
Now fuck off.

>>82919831
Not one single example of an MCU figure considering how the show impacts the films? Not one?

I'm also not going to go and find a whole bunch of examples of producers discussing why AoS isn't canon to The fucking Simpsons - why would I? How am I supposed to prove that no-one cares or talks about something - when they don't?

My point is that there is NO proof. No reason to think it's anything but a one way relationship. I'm happy to say that the films are canon to the show - but it just doesn't work the other way...

>>82919427
Blonsky was better too.

>>82919877
Maybe a better way of putting it - is that they're allowing themselves to be loosely associated with it... but only because they ignore it completely. You can guarantee that as soon as things begin to crossover (like Inhumans maybe) that the show and its characters will never be referenced.

I'm happy to be proved wrong - maybe it will be acknowledged as canon - but I'm fairly confident it won't.

>>82919738
>>82919774
>>82919811
>>82919877

So this is what you MCU detractors are reduced to? With your brand of choice, the DCEU, a miserable trainwreck you've resorted to this telltale hit & run guerrilla trolling. Whether it's lauding the FoX-Men cinematic brand or denying the canon continuity of Marvel's TV works your only clear objective seems to try and do whatever harm you can to anything discussion involving the MCU much like some pathetic malcontent who kicks his neighbor's dog because he's too pathetic to actually do anything to the neighbor himself.

And it's the same in every thread, your style and mentality is undeniably recognizable. Find a meme to exploit (guaranteed responses), stir up shit, make absurdest claims, then when you're pressed to back any of it up or provide sources you either back-peddle or insist that burden of proof lies on the party you're trying to troll. Or right now how you're trying to hide behind "I can't prove a negative" when you clearly made a positive claim of people saying this show isn't canon and are now backpeddling.

Until thinks can be hashed out between Fiege and Permutter/Loeb the canon nature of the TV shows and the movies will remain a one way street, but if Permutter and Loeb know what's good for them, they'll fall in line.

>>82919877
Impacting the films =/= canon

Movies affecting the show and not the other way around =/= canon

Stop talking if you don't understand what canon is.

>>82919363
>>82919449
Well, since it looks like Skye she's gone rogue we need more T&A on the team so it doesn't become a sausage fest.

>>82919959
What the fuck are you babbling about anon?

I love the MCU - even it's dumber movies. I was really looking forward to the concept of AoS. I appreciate that some people like it - but it's not something that acts as a recognisable contributer to the MCU at all.

The fact that I think it's garbage doesn't impact that idea.