Homestuck

>>82754451
but op i liked the ending and i think hiveswap is very likely to be good

>>82754585
>i liked the ending
Congratulations, you qualify for a verified retard certificate.

Waiting for Vol. 10, and pretending that Hiveswap might still be good.

>>82754605
i think the epilogue will fix things

Because I'm still lying to myself and holding on to scraps of evidence that Act 7 wasn't actually the ending.

I never claimed to be an intelligent individual.

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masochism

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>>82754451
I don't know. I got finals. I have to move from my apartment soon. But I'm still here.

>>82754605
i didnt like the angsty unfunny conversations in a6a6i5 or the vriska mary sue joke but i liked the fun of collide, and the EXCELLENT music and good animation of the last two videos, and the 'happy' ending with dark implications. i also liked having to solve the lord english fight myself like a puzzle because puzzles are fun. its just a confluence of things only i enjoy. im not surprised everyone else hates it but i dont really care either

>>82754451
There is a small sliver of hope left in me. The epilogue will not fix the ending. It can't. But maybe it'll make it bearable.
Honestly though I'm mainly here to reminisce and share good memories and complaints with what's left of HSG.

because you KEEP POSTING HERE.

FUCK OFF, YOUR SHIT'S DONE.

>>82754451
Nothing else has hit the same high Homestuck once did.

You have ten seconds.

To name five characters who are more autistic than Tavros.

>>82754870
>Finished works aren't allowed to be discussed
u wot

>>82754870
except that its not
there is literally more comic coming, more music, video games eventually and whatever homestuck 2.0's mystery project is going to be

>>82754903
>Nepeta
>Andrew Hussie's Self Insert
>Hussiebot
>Andrew Hussie in Real Life
>Zombie Ace Dick

>>82754870
YOUR NEVER GETTING OFF OF HUSSIES WILD RIDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxHnKT_2u64
WE'RE HERE
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JESUS FUCK!

STOP HATING ON HOMESTUCK YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS!

ACT 7 WAS FUCKING FANTASTIC! THE ENTIRE COMIC WAS NOTHING SHORT OF BRILLIANT!

ROSE NOT PLAYING GAME WAS 11/10 SUBVERSION

STOP MAKING FUN OF HOMESTUCK!

FUCKING STOP IT!!

STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>82754903
Jake, Caliborn, Nepeta, Jane, Rufioh.

>>82754960
If this thing ever takes off (hah.) I wonder if they'll let us stay even though a fan based meme youtube channel probably belongs in Trash or something.

>>82754969
Fuck off Andrew

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>>82754969

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>>82754984
DON'T YOU -GET- IT?!

PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ARCS!

IT'S LIKE MARIO AND THE STAR!

MARIO

AND THE STAR!

>>82754969
I love how legitimately butthurt the guy who keeps posting that image is

>>82755011
i think if andrew had done the trickster arc and then not explained it after i would have been totally ok with it

>>82754977
they said multimedia experience of some kind. original it was going to be just the game and hsg would just move to hiveswap general to die. now this is just filler to keep the hype up for the homestuck equivalent of End of Evangelion without telling people about it. cap this.

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OOGA BOOGA, ROSE GIRL NO PLAY QUEST BECAUSE READER WANTED ROSE GIRL PLAY QUEST.
ME THINK SUBVERSION AUTOMATICALLY DEEP. ME THINK SMARTER THAN YOU. ME HIT YOU WITH CLUB IF YOU BRING UP STORY IDEAS TOSSED TO GROUND, OOG.

>>82755102
Or if he had the characters actually address the moral of the Trickster arc instead of, say, literally him and Caliborn

>>82755156
i like to imagine that the explanation was ironic since he contradicted it so hard later. i don't know if that makes me like it though. just gives me some small peace of mind

>>82755184
I don't really know how to feel about it either.
If Andrew was sincere, the whole conversation was still stupid, insufferably meta, and later contradicted by the ending.
If Andrew was being ironic, it means he's always believed that solving your characters' problems with the wave of a magic wand was good storytelling.
Hard to tell which explanation is worse.

>>82755310
There's a third possibility, that he left it ambigious so he could pick and choose when development was a good thing and when he was being le witty subverter

>Karkat fans
LOL

>>82755339
Yeah that seems like a thing he'd do. This reminds me that he has a lot of tricks up his sleeve to make the story's plot excuse the structural flaws.
Paradox Space dismissing unstable timelines and keeping the one that closes all its time loops has always struck me as an excellent excuse for "it happens because destiny said so" handwaving bullshit.

>>82755310
in fairness to him homestuck has never really fitted any definition of 'good storytelling' since act1, since the intermission, since the trolls and since he started writing pages and pages of mostly irrelevant text under static images. you can begin to see why he might get carried away with the idea that his experiments are all genius when he seemed be totally right and the size of the audience looked like it proved it.

>>82754451
Why are these threads still around?

>>82755465
Because people want to talk about Homestuck.

I wish there were good Midnight Crew designs in the WLF contest

i dont, I havent even read the last few updates or watched the shit flash

>>82755453
I dunno, everything up to middle Act 6 was very traditional in terms of story structure.
Sure, the pacing was weird, and the format was innovative, but there was a formula that made it satisfying to read.
And it was something like: Introduce plot through narration, dialogue, subtle implications and sudden twists; fill said plot with myriads of tiny little details; eventually incorporate details into an aspect of the main plot not yet solved; solve it; repeat.
The experiments were fun, but they seriously weren't what was so good about Homestuck. Back then, Hussie said the story was also a puzzle, and he was right. Anything could be relevant, anything could happen. You just had to pay attention to the details.
I think that's what made the story so good, and you can clearly see that formula fall apart midway through Act 6, because so many questions are raised and very little is answered - until the mysteries pile up to form messy heaps and Andrew goes "fuck it" and sweeps them all under the rug, the end, thanks for playing.
I do think his hubris played a part. But his storytelling used to be -at least- decent.

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an indestructible demon?

i'll join him!

no one wwill evver knoww!

>>82755721
This should have been submitted to the shirt contest

Repost for the morning crowd: AradiaxJack smut, fresh from the porn oven or whatever. Enjoy!

http://pastebin.com/a4nn2K3c

I just like drawing lewds.

>>82755721
I think the reason so many people love Eridan is that his typing quirk is easy and fun to replicate

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>the trolls were introduced and popular six years ago

Did we seriously waste the last six years on Tricksters and Cherubs?

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>>82755885
he's just fun in general

>>82755631
reading serially from the start of act 1 until the troll arc, it never seemed like there was any kind of traditional plot. in retrospect it might seem that way. act 5 act 2 had a clear goal in mind that retroactively vindicated a lot of the weird and probably 'bad' decisions that he had made up until that point. the early acts establish a setting and then he just fucks around in the setting without much planned direction. it works because it's funny, and you like the characters, and in the process of setting up enough threads for his own future improvisations he gives you a chance to play with all the threads yourself and imagine huge stories of your own.

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>>82755926
you 8et

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>>82755926
'waste' the last six years on cherubs

>>82755992
LOL look at this failure

>>82756076
to be fair it's only one cherub that's really worth it

question hsg: how would you have made calliope better? i think having her fit more into a tragic role would have worked best.

>>82756209
made her talk less or say more funny things. the sole issue to be fixed with all act 6 character problems was too much dialogue with not enough jokes. even the romance and angst could have been good if it was written funnier

>>82756209
I can't think of anything to make Calliope better

>>82756209

I think you need to redesign a lot of the comic to make the Cherubs work well.

I'd introduce them early. Have them act as either the equivalent of the trolls or the equivalent of the exiles. People like the trolls too much ultimately to toss them, so let's reduce the role of the exiles.

So, instead of WV giving commands to John, have Calliope give commands. Calliope could give commands to John and Jade while Caliborn gives commands to Rose and Dave. Have them be more involved. Have them develop more of a personality.

Calliope particularly needs work. She needs to way up the mischieviousness. She needs to get a ton more confidence. She needs to be a trickster. And I'd actually take down the homicidal autism of Caliborn. Have them play a game, a real game. With each one confident but working to beat one another.

And then it's a big event, a big reveal, that Caliborn goes so far as to kill Calliope. I think she'd be a lot more endearing as the gentle trickster. Take Nanna and mix in a bit more smilely optimism. Female John, basically, is what to hit at.

And then have Calliope and Caliborn again for the reset session. But this time it's the reality where Calliope dominates over Caliborn.

Readers question "is this the same ones as before but at a prior time? Is this more serious, somber, sad Calliope the one from the afterlife or is it a new reality? Does Calliope have to be serious in order to win? etc etc"

>>82756340
>reduce the role of the exiles
no fuck you

>>82756373

I love the exiles. I'd prefer to toss the trolls. But the trolls are too big a part of the story. The exiles can still be involved. But I think it's a good sacrifice to make to have their discussions with the kids instead be cherub discussions with the original 4. And to have these discussions be more frequent. Develop to the point of the kids actually having conversations instead of being yelled at.

>>82754702
Ara's arm stretches get weirder and weirder.

>>82756340
problem; part of the appeal with the cherubs was the massive twist regarding their reveal. i consider it one of the single best moments in the entire comic. how could we preserve this while introducing them earlier?

>>82756340
So just replace the Exile's commands with Cherubs (and expand the commands to actual conversations)? Might have worked well.

>>82756434
Lord English's appearance would have been the big reveal instead of the other way around.

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so IPGD and Hussie are definitely fucking.

>>82756558
He looks like he just came out of Auschwitz

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>>82756558
she also posted this but i only saw it now
what does it mean

>>82756581
piggy is a sick fuck

>>82756558
Is he holding a pregnancy test

>>82756581
it means IPGD is trying to turn Hussie into a /d/eviant

>>82756209
A lot of this is personal, so take it with a grain of salt. Still:
1. Put more emphasis on her flaws. I find it hard to relate or care for characters without clear issues. Have her mess up, slip up, say stupid things, and be clearly awkward more often. (Nothing too cringe, though, or at least not more cringe than her writing smutfics about the Alpha kids. That's already top cringe.)

2. >>82756256 is right. Make her less of an exposition lady and more of a hilarious, loveable dork. Caliborn is funny! Why? Because he's ridiculous, overdramatic, and oddly clever in his insults and his plans. Take some inspiration from that.

3. Another thing that bothers me with Calliope is that she's involved in Homestuck's plot by existing, and only because of that. She's related to the big bad and prophecized to be a secret weapon against him and that's all. Otherwise she mostly stands around acting cute and being a goal for Roxy. She's a McGuffin made flesh, and that sucks.

Now that doesn't mean she needs to fight LE or gather up an army or do something important. She can stay on the sidelines. But her appearances need to be interesting, and for that I see two things that could be focused on:
a. The way she deals with her confidence issues after Caliborn's bullshit wears her down. She wants nothing but happiness, doesn't she? It should not be cast upon her like a blessing from the sky. It should drive her. She can't be the melancholic skull snake girl forever.
b. Her desire and attempts to interact with the heroes she loves so much. Seriously! She grows up being obsessed with them, but her conversations are almost exclusively with Roxy. I want to see her talk to Rose and Terezi, to Dave and Tavros, to Nannasprite. Roxy and Calliope's adorable interactions get boring after the eleventh time.
c. Her role as a muse. She's basically THE passive booster, right? So have her try to give some emotional support and make her kind words have some impact.

Things like that.

>>82756621
it looks like a box of tampons

>>82756558
.... are those tampons

>>82756558
was there ever any doubt

>>82756558
He looks like some sort of bizarre modern art sculpture.

>>82756660
>She's a McGuffin made flesh
But she is a skellington

>>82756663
>>82756686
Yeah you can clearly see the "playtex" label. It's a real thing.

I wonder if things would have been different if someone else had sent him those dildos back in the day. Who knows.

>>82756747
>you could have been the one to influence Homestuck
>it could have been any one from /hsg/
>it ended up being the only one who wouldn't make Hussie make ERIQUEST2012

>>82756660
i agree with nearly all of his but i dont agree with the last one. not all characters can be seen interacting with everyone, there just isnt enough time in the comic. better to cut weak dialogue than pad. a conversation should only be in there if andrew thought of a hilarious or hugely plot-impactful thing for the characters to say.

>>82756770
ipgd put shrek being eri's dad into the comic so i count that as a small personal victory

>>82756558

hes becoming too fucked up by his bad ending

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voting is open for the shirt contest

>>82756558
he deserves a good fucking to help him find peace with himself and get back on the right track

>>82756558
I'm glad that we can confirm Hussie is alive and free

>>82756660
>>82756807
and by the last one, i meant the second to last one. good post though

>>82754870
Point me to the rule that says discussing a finished work isn't allowed.
I'll wait

>>82756558
>people thought those muscles were real.

>>82756841
where do we vote?

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Bowman knew cal was LE the whole time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFJUa31fVHw&feature=youtu.be&t=1m58s

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>>82757072
http://community.welovefine.com/m/contests/designs/Homestuck-Design-Contest-3/list/id-44830
here friend

>>82757074
(whoops, forgot to say to skip to 1:58)

>>82757093
>The Cherub Hoodie

It's like dA-tan from metastuck designed it

>>82757093
Most of it looks so bad to use but really diggin the dirk USB.

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>>82757259
if we love fine added red light up LEDs when it plugs in it would be perfect
would buy

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>Roxy is the rogue of VOID
>she's the most prominent character in the VOID session

Alright that was pretty clever Hussie

>>82757487
doze.gif

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Feferi's long, long neck.

>>82757502
Better than Eridan and Feferi looking like random niggers with skin conditions

>>82756558
He looks like he's having a PTSD flashback

>>82757074
Was that really supposed to be a twist that surprised people?

Lil'Cal was always portrayed as this fucking creepy puppet

>>82757584
it honestly kinda disappointed me. i liked him being creepy and inexplicable rather than genuinely evil. but its hardly a huge gripe. arquius being part if lord english more than made up for it

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https://www.wattpad.com/103369061-but-we're-moirails-daily-routines-and-creepypasta

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002730
>yfw this page inspired fraymotifs

>>82756581
ipgd is pregnant with hussie's kid

has she ever come back since HS ended or did she really leave forever?

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See, some of these shirts are good ideas, just poor execution on drawing them. Just like homesuck :^)

>>82758047
No, she just said that the ending would not be liked.

>>82758099
Homestuck's art is fine. It's one thing to dislike the style but you can't say it's poorly-drawn.

>>82758047
shes hiding out in these threads spreading positivity as an insidious anonymous force. the threads will slowly die and people will get kinder and kinder towards andrew hussie. years from now, in the very last homestuck thread, she will make its very last post before the withered remaining anons give up on truth and happiness forever: 'act 7 was genius y'all'. when that last thread reaches the archive her head will crack open and andrew hussie will climb out ready to travel back in time and put us through this shit all over again

>>82758047
Does she still do art? I haven't seen anything she's drawn since like 2012.

>>82758209
she can but doesn't want to

she rather wants to be in marketing, but has to do paintings for her classes

her recent assignment got pissed on by her cat

>>82758099
Caliborn looks like he has down syndrome in that pic, which kinda makes sense because he's literally retarded
>>82758141
I think he was referring to homestuck as a whole having "good ideas and bad execution", not the art.

>>82758243
damn that sucks

>>82758313
nah, she deserves something like that happening to her

>>82758201

why would you try to be positive about homestuck

i mean the closest thing to hope is a youtube channel

paradoxspace would practically look good at this point

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>>82757074
how can one man be so based?

>>82758378
> why would you try to be positive about homestuck
Alienation marketing, see redit.

>>82758378
Paradox Space was a good idea.
The problem was that almost every writer they hired was shit.
If the youtube channel hires people who aren't shit, it might be good.

>>82758329
for what?
shilling for homestuck on 4chan?

>>82758441
for being a terrible person

>>82758378
hey man there's a lot to like about homestuck ((im not ipgd btw))

>>82758537
fuck off ipgd

>>82758537

nobody believes this

you guys ready for hiveswap ft. toby fox to initiate the HS renaissance?

could be worse
could be halftruth

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>>82758667
Toby will do the bare minimum he needs to on Hiveswap because he's moved on to greater things

All his attention will be dedicated to making the successor to Undertale

>>82758667
I'm ready for some Homestuck Expanded Universe novellas

ST8P
G8NKING
ME!!!!!!!!

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>>82758667
>HS renaissance
wow
thats going to be what it is

>>82758698
toby leaned so hard on homestuck for ideas and style when making undertale. andrew has proven at least that he is an infinite fountain of ideas even if his execution is all over the place. whatever toby does next has no guarantee of not being a retread. the music will be guaranteed to be great at least.

>>82758872
I think Toby said just as he released Undermeme that if he were to make another game it would be with entirely different mechanics.

Whether they'll be good mechanics is another question.

>>82758842
I don't get it
do I have to know art history to understand why Homestuck 2.0 is like the renaissance

>>82758704
>having the full story of the 6.5 years the alpha trolls spent doing nothing in their session told in exacting detail

>>82758905
Yeah, I've heard he has no intention of doing a sequel, which is funny because the KS page implies one was a possibility. I think the fanbase drained some of his love for it.

>>82758921
maybe all of that ominous foreshadowing during Meenahquest will actually mean something

>>82758917
a renaissance in this context is like a sudden renewal of interest because of prestige.

>>82758872
Toby isn't as good of an ideas guy as Andrew (but then, almost no one is) but he knows his limits and knows how to stay focused on his goals

If it's a retread, it'll be a well-made retread

>>82759015
Wish people would call Fox more out on ripped off ideas.

>>82758872
>toby leaned so hard on homestuck for ideas and style

earthound and the mother series. not homestuck.

i'm not saying homestuck wasn't an influence but it clearly wasn't as major as the mother games were. and keep in mind, they also inspired homestuck, so any similarities may also arise from that.

>>82759093
examples? just like homestuck it's mother all the way down

Is LISA the anti Untertale?

I regret never having given Mobius Trip & Hadron Kaleido a chance
My eyes have been opened
Bowman is made of magic

>>82759189
Goats are just Mimigas from Cave Story.

Cave Story, Under Tale.

Undyne is basically a Vriska that isn't terrible (and a fish).

The quirky humor is just taken from Earthbound.

>>82759230
I can't think of an indie game in the last 10 years that hasn't taken inspiration from/had nods to cave story desu.

>>82759015
>but then, almost no one is

wew

>>82759093
homestuck is 99.9% parody and self-referential masturbation

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>>82754836
>i also liked having to solve the lord english fight myself like a puzzle because puzzles are fun
>puzzles are fun

>>82754836
after rereading homestuck so i could get the whole picture, the ending was less disappointing, even good

>>82759163
no way, i've played mother and homestuck innovates a huge amount. undertale is practically a homestuck videogame and a more distant descendant of mother

>>82759366
b u l l s h i t
the ending is ambiguous, abrupt, predictable, cliche, tonally inappropriate... the list goes on and on and on
it somehow has every possible ugly feature, even ones that should be mutually exclusive

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>>82759230
I give you the first two ones, but-
>Undyne is basically a Vriska that isn't terrible (and a fish).
What? They're not even slightly similar.
>The quirky humor is just taken from Earthbound.
You for real?

>>82758820
WOOOOOOW IT TOOK ALL FIVE OF YOU TO KILL ME

>>82759391
undertale contains none of the dumb ironic humor homestuck thrives on or any of it's wordy wit. what it is closer to is earthbound's humor and mother 3's heart.

>>82759468
The first time I saw Undyne I tought "yeah this IS sea vriska", dunno how people missed the visual reference.

>>82759468
>red boots
>black shirt
>blue pants
>eye patch
>obsessed with being a hero

>>82759230
>Cave Story, Under Tale.
This could easily be a coincidence.

>Undyne is basically a Vriska that isn't terrible (and a fish).
The similarities are kind of superficial. They have broadly similar personalities, with the key difference that Undyne is a genuinely caring person who is just pretending to be a psycho bitch.

You must have better examples than this.

>>82759549
>yellow eyes
>spikey teeth
the pile doesnt stop getting taller

>>82759230
They have visual similarities, but the other than that Undyne's not much like Vriska.
Papyrus is much more like Vriska (mixed with Rose's incompetence) than Undyne is. Or I guess the player in a Genocide run.

>>82759578
Yeah, sure. It's just so happens Undyne is similar to a character in a work of one of the Undertale's creator's friends.

>>82759329
do you remember when homestuck felt like it respected your intelligence? it didnt have to spell shit out to you, itd flip between a bunch of different threads and events totally out of order and let you watch and rewatch flashes like descend and cascade with no explanation given until you worked out what the fuck even just happened. i felt like that died out during act 6 and he got way too obvious with moralising and explaining through tons of exposition cos he realised his thirteen year-old fanbase were genuinely too dumb to get it most of the time.

i got a little bit of the old feel back again from act 7 and i liked it. but i get why other people dont.

>>82759502
what? undertale is full of the same dumb ironic humour and tells its story through tons of funny dialogue in a similar way. its meta as fuck, too.

>>82759647
Puzzles are fine for the middle of a story but an ending should give a sense of closure. Hussie didn't even give us a "puzzle" with a clear solution. There are five wildly different interpretations of the ending and they are all valid. We didn't get a puzzle, we got a cop-out.

>>82759645
I didn't say there are no similarities.
I said the similarities are superficial. It's not like Undyne is literally fish Vriska. She has similar clothes and kind of acts like a cunt sometimes, but unlike Vriska she isn't actually a cunt, she doesn't treat her friends like garbage, and she doesn't have borderline personality disorder.

>>82759647
There's a massive difference between
"things aren't spelled out, but it's easy to put the pieces together if you think for a moment"
and
"things aren't spelled out, and every theory makes as little sense as its opposite because we've got zero clues as to how the jigsaws fit with each other"
you fucking pooplord.

>>82759703
theres only one solution that makes sense with all the evidence that we're given and if you don't know what it is you should prolly read the comic or go upvote the dumb theories you think are 'valid' on reddit and tumblr

>>82759792
fuck off
your headcanon is not the only correct interpretation
I've seen every argument for every side and no one has convinced me that the ending is unambiguous
You've clearly given up actually arguing for your pet theory because you know you've got nothing

>>82759792
You should feel free to explain not only why your interpretation is correct, but also why all others are wrong.
If you can't show your work, then your assertion that one answer is obviously correct and all others are obviously wrong is clearly wrong.

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>>82759792
>No but, see, it's that simple. I've got the one valid theory, and being a Smart Person, I realize the evidence is right in front of you. If you can't see it then you're morons.
Damn, you've got your head pretty far up your own ass. I hope you're enjoying the view at least.

>>82759855
Paradox space pretty much means my dirkxdave fuckfic is canon

>>82759647
Snore. Those puzzles are for babies. Hussie made way better puzzles than that back in his heyday with Problem Sleuth.
I have picked apart his flashes and seen through all the smoke and mirrors of his riddles. I have gotten to the truth he is guarding. The great big mystery behind Homestuck. And you know what it is?
It's bullshit! Meaningless, boring, fanciful bullshit wrapped in tedious dialoglogs to keep you guessing. Real authors cut to the chase. They power through all the nonsense and go for the gold.

Not only is it impossible to prove that the ending is unambiguous, I can prove that it is ambiguous. In Act 6 Act 6 Intermission 5, we are given two contradictory clues.

1. Vriska hints that the "four heroes" will emerge from the Juju and defeat English.
2. Dave suggests that defeating Union Jack will fulfill the prophecy that he will defeat Lord English.

It is not possible for both of these clues to be true. They are contradictory, so one of them must be red herring. It's not possible to know which one, QED the ending is ambiguous.

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>>82759198
Lisa is edgy stuff for edge lords

>>82759549
>>82759540
Oh, I thought you meant personality wise. Then yeah, u right.

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>>82759923

>>82759836
>>82759855
real talk i literally cannot be bothered. its the one about the 8 kids travelling back to the masterpiece in the distant future and then the betas coming out of the juju to cueball english into the black hole. hst worked it out the day act 7 was released. the juju also represents the comic if you care about that kind of symbolism. im not hunting down any evidence because i dont actually care that much.

>>82759461
tastes like salt, to me

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Not enough romance.

>>82759990
Lisa isn't all that edgy, though. It's a black comedy.

>>82760042
yeah I'm fucking salty so what

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>>82760050

>>82760019
And how do you prove that's the ONLY valid interpretation?

>>82760050
What the fuck is this

>>82760064
no no nonono
You cant invite them to answer you when you've admitted you're salty
You need to wear it proudly and not invite trolls to suckle on your salty juice

>>82760082
>im not hunting down any evidence because i dont actually care that much.

>>82760072
I need felt shipping pics this instant

>>82760019
An academic who won't share his methods with the community is just some guy who doesn't know what mistakes he made.

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>>82760111
Ara ara~ ehehe

>>82760138
im not an academic pal im a rando posting on 4chans board for comics and cartoons

>>82760173
it was an analogy fucknuts
obviously we are not discussing abstract mathematics here

>>82759937
quality post

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>>82755721
CONFOuND THOSE DuMB BITCHES
OH HOW I HATE THEM
I HATE JANE
I HATE ROXY
AND I HATE CALLIOPE
THEY DRIVE ME TO MuRDER

>>82760113
>I have no evidence to back up my claims
Wow great dialogue we've got here
Don't you have some rocks to bang together

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>>82760019
>Makes fun of people who Don't Get The True Ending, Groan
>Disappears in a puff of "too lazy" the moment anyone asks for any form of proof or even a clue
Every. Single. Time.

>>82760228
he refuses to engage because he might have to confront the reality that his headcanon has flaws
it's like shipping but for logicfags

>>82760228
What were you expecting
Even the author can't explain the ending because it was so crappy
why would you expect anyone else to?

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>>82760219
KEK
fucking lost it

>>82760295
if Hussie comes out with a solution that makes me go "Wow, how did we miss that?" instead of "Ah, so it was that theory that was correct", then I'll respect him all the more

but there are already significant contradictions and continuity errors in Act 6 so I'm not very hopeful

>>82760295
For someone to lazy to provide proof you sure are putting in effort to shitpost about your headcanon

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Maybe everything leading up the ending is so noncommittal because Hussie's ghostwriter had no idea what to make of the ending, either.

>>82759963
I think 2 was simply Dave thinking he can "trick" reality into letting his predicted hero role go as long as he kills off some guy who looks like English.
There are other contradictory clues about the ending (for example, the role of the green sun's destruction, of the black hole, of the house juju and of juju!dave's caledflwch; we don't know which one depowered and/or defeated LE in the end). But this isn't one.

>>82760064
"You're angry, you lose" is a popular philosophy among 16 year olds who think having feelings = irrationality = automatically losing the argument. Just ignore that guy.

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i want these to make it

>>82760451
Do you happen to have a clown fetish?

Only clowns would wear those.

>>82759963
Those aren't even slightly contradictory. I'm baffled that you somehow think they are.

Lord English was a really weird choice for a final boss. The comic always had many antagonists but they had different weight to them. Jack murdered johns parents as well as alot of other people we care about on screen, this clearly gets the auidence mad at him. condescension also set up this really bad dystopia thing that we get to see partially first hand. Lord English kills whole universes worth of people, which clearly sets him up as the bad guy but since we dont actually see it happen and the people are people we don't know the auidence doesn't feel alot of hatred towards him. Then after cascade we get introduced to the cherub kids, which at first seems like it might fix it. Maybe hussie shows us caliborn fucking with the alpha kids and trying to get them killed, which would be a good way to get the audience to hate him as much as they do the other antagonists. But then he doesn't. The worst thing we really see him doing is calling them names over the internet. Not only is this no where near as bad as the other antagonists, but it can almost be endearing. He comes off as the twelve year old kid who thinks he's hot shit and makes up dumb insults at anyone who they dont like. The worst thing he does is kill calliope, which COULD have made the audience start to hate him, but then its kind of undone when we learn that happens to every cherub, so actually thats totally normal. By the end the story is apathetic towards him at best and almost like a comic relief character at worst.

>>82760440
>I think 2 was simply Dave thinking he can "trick" reality into letting his predicted hero role go as long as he kills off some guy who looks like English.
I disagree, or rather, I'm not comfortable dismissing it as evidence just because of that. Many of the clues we have are not characters saying what will happen, but rather, offering up their own interpretations of what might happen. #1 is Vriska's interpretation of how events will play out and #2 is Dave's. They happen to contradict each other. Neither character actually knows what they're talking about. They're just saying things with the narrative purpose of providing foreshadowing to the reader.

>>82760512
Dave says that defeating Union Jack might fulfill the prophecy, so he won't need to go fight Lord English. But if he goes and fights Lord English anyway, then that line is a red herring.

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>>82760219
Oh Homestuck, how I love you...

(...r fanbase's disposable income!)

>>82760498
they're pajama pants man
they look awesome

>>82760050
>>82760072
What in the name of Christ are these abortions

>>82760642
https://youtu.be/YR3O-23PD3o

>>82760425
Reminder that Andrew Hussie Sr. was the real writer of Homestuck

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AND HERE COMES ANOTHER FRESH FUCKING CANCER FOR YOU!

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>>82760425
actually now that I take another look, here we have Vriska contradicting herself and agreeing with Dave
So I'm not sure we can trust her on anything

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How long had Hussie been planning Roxygen?

>>82760678
She said, glancing bashfully at the newly purchased horn.

>>82760708
>LOFAM 1 had Sadomasopedorobonecrobeastiality
>LOFAM 2 has this shit

>tfw you just realised that SS died in the same place when he killed snowman

>>82760765
Seems to me that right there we have two characters pointing out that the prophecy is probably irrelevant.

>>82760940
No he didn't, unless you just mean on the top of a roof

>>82760723
i'd a vriska

>>82760918
LOFAM 2 > 1 >> 3

>>82760948
If that's the case, then it adds weight to the "English becomes trapped in the juju" theory rather than the "kids emerge from the juju and defeat English" theory

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Daily reminder that Hussie somehow made Vriska worse. Twice

>>82760974
There's a third one, too?

Jesus christ, I remember when the first was new

>>82761019
And they were even planning on LOFAM 4, im glad it did not happen. On other hand the beforus album is also bad so were even.

>>82760723
wrigglers are so damn cute

>>82760908
for a very, very long time

i kind of wonder, karkat's whole "how is incest a problem" spiel makes sense based on how trolls give birth and grow up mostly solitary, in fringe cases like for the sufferer, do trolls experience the westermarck effect?

>>82760765
Dave did beat LE, though, just in the form of Lord Jack. Plus, if it's true that the 4 kids got released from the Juju at the end of the story, that would make it so Dave killed LE twice.

>>82761277
it's been a long, long time.

>>82761365
which means the prophecy was true, and Dave and Vriska's interpretation was a red herring

i need more aradia

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>>82761447
Okay, but don't get greedy, anon!

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>>82761447
oh yeah?

>>82761360
I don't see why they would. They're not humans at all.

>>82761215
The ancestor album is also fanmade, right? Cause I actually liked that one

i'm trying to think of a /co/ way to explain quadrants by comparing them to relation ships

heart is peter parker + mary jane
spade is batman + catwoman
diamond is the hulk + betty ross?
club is ?????

>>82761584
People give credit to Hussie for worldbuilding, but beyond physical appearance (which is also basically confirmed to be gray humans with horns), Trolls are just violent bisexual humans who are raised by animals.

>>82761584
they're not humans, but their psychology isn't too dissimilar. it could be a holdover from when they used to procreate together, instead of using an intermediary creature like the mother grub

>>82761623
Ashen is such a dumb quadrant that I doubt Hussie even tried to make it coherent.

>>82760908
Probably just after he decided to make Rose a lesbian, so pretty early on.

What is that red light? Is that what kills English? Does it knock him into the black hole? Or is it coming to drag him into the Juju?

Why does it zoom in on the door? Is this shot from English's perspective? What is tearing up the ground here? The light? The black hole? English himself?

I doubt that these ambiguities are part of a puzzle. I think that the events of this animation were just poorly conveyed.

>>82761678
>it could be a holdover from when they used to procreate together
>when

what?

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>>82761713
forgot my image

>>82761714
I think it was implied that before the Summoner's uprising that trolls reproduced heterosexually, or at least in pairs

>>82761665
I like to think that the reason why humans are so similar to Trolls is because when creating the genesis frog, the frog collects information about the trolls and makes great parts of it similar to their culture and biology. I imagine this is specially in Earth, which is the planet where the frog temple falls.

>>82761745
I can't believe people say this looks even remotely good.

You want to go the anime-eqsue route? fine, but don't make it looks like a low budget 90s shounen. Just because it has pretty colors doesn't change the powerpoint tier animation.

>>82761784
That's the obvious explanation but it just feels so lazy.

I mean, I guess it's better to not even try make them unique than to make them just a regular generic alien society, but I expected better from pre-act 6 Hussie

>>82761847
it looks better than most TV anime IMO
Caliborn's movements are very detailed
There are a lot of OAVs with better animation though

>>82761847
you say that as if homestuck's animation isn't panning over still frames and sprites with one or two frames of animation


by the standards homestuck has set, it looks amazing.

>>82761932
Hussie made flashes have great cinematics though.

>>82761847
so contrarian. it wasn't worth the four years, and the nature bit looks clunky as fuck, but it was very well made in most regards.

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>>82761447

>>82761916
>it looks better than most TV anime IMO
are you a time traveler from the 60s?

>Caliborn's movements are very detailed
very detailed but shitty. a high framerate doesn't make good animation automatically, it's like Ping Pong except clearly not done out of an artistic choice but out of lack of ability

and lets not forget the fact that the only scenes that could legally be defined as animation are a few seconds of caliborn and the genesis frog. the rest are LITERALLY zooming away from still frames

>>82761932
>you say that as if homestuck's animation isn't panning over still frames and sprites with one or two frames of animation
>by the standards homestuck has set, it looks amazing.
That was the style of Homestuck, a style Hussie refined for years, even before Homestuck itself, and was aided by actual good artwork to be panned over rather than the puke in Act 7

Hell, some of the sprite animation is more fluid than the Caliborn bits in Act 7. Go back and rewatch John's fight against the Ogres

>>82761983
Why is it that the only arguments people have in favor of Act 7 is "you are a contrarian (despite most people hating Act 7)" and "it's just good"?

>>82762106
>are you a time traveler from the 60s?
no just the late 2000s which is the last time watched a bulk of anime

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>>82761847
that part was great though
the detail in the explosions and the ground breaking
the clock being smashed, lord english's nicely detailed face twitching, caliborns fluid movements
for how few people worked on it its stunning

>>82758944
It's not that the fanbase drained his love of it, but that they scared him away from doing more with the IP for fear of ending up trapped in the shadow of one project like Hussie.

>>82762139
a lot of people dislike act 7 including me, I wouldn't say the majority but, a noticable amount of people. we're talking about the animation quality, not act 7 in general. pretty much everyone says it looked nice

>>82762141
Then consider rewatching some shows.

I recently watched a few episodes of Medabot, which even if you actually liked the plot or whatever you couldn't possibly claim it is well animated, and it's STILL miles better than Act 7.

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>>82761745
I'm not sure what else this could be other than LE's life force getting sucked into the juju. I'm not even a fan of that interpretation.

>>82759256
I guess I played Cave Story too late to enjoy it. The games it inspired went on to do better things than it did.

>>82762184
You clearly weren't here when it dropped

>>82762152
>the detail in the explosions and the ground breaking
ok, sorry, i just realized I was being trolled and taking the bait, i'll stop now

>>82762267
>You clearly weren't here when it dropped
oh fuck off

I bet Hussie made Act 7 as some sort of pilot for TV networks to watch.

>>82759997
Except they are extremely similar personality-wise. Undyne could be Beforan Vriska and no one would bat an eye. The only thing that sets Vriska apart is her being an abusive, selfish monster.

>>82761665
It's so the god tier clothes fit you fuck

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>>82762106
>and lets not forget the fact that the only scenes that could legally be defined as animation are a few seconds of caliborn and the genesis frog. the rest are LITERALLY zooming away from still frames
except for the trees splitting the earth as waves crashed, vriska walking with the army, john moving around, calliopes cool spell shit, lord english's entrance
jesus give the girl some credit
you can be as salty as you want about hussie not answering questions but at least acknowledge that the ending took fuckloads of time and effort

>>82762267
i was here when it dropped and the consensus was 'wow fuck that was beautiful but wheres the rest of the comic'

The music on Act 7 was great too. Act 7 would have had greater reception was it not for the fact that it did not explain fucking anything.

>>82762286
Nice come back

Almost everyone in those threads complained about the animation itself, and i even remember a specific post saying the animation was good that got like 20 replies of just >implying

>>82762429
You are literally wrong

>>82762429
except that none what you just said is true

>>82762291
>TV network executives masturbating to their Homestuck waifus under their desks
>80-year-old CEO muttering about Vriska's bouncing anime titties under his breath during a conference
>his intern swears she heard "Vriska titties" emanating from this husk she made coffee for
>dozens of employees fired for picking Rose over Jade

>>82762408
Nice to see i got you to backpedal enough to the point of "well it was one girl who did it! (For three fucking years)" if i wasn't about to go to bed i might have gotten you to call me entitled

>>82762209
I skimmed through an episode of Battle Tendency.
That's presumably a well-animated show with a decent budget, and it still looks roughly as well-animated as Act 7, using a lot of still frames with filters and other tricks to create the illusion of animation.

The problem with Act 7 isn't really the quality of the animation, it's the inconsistency of the art. Vriska goes off-model like 3 times in the span of several seconds. But the technical aspects of the animation are great.

>>82754903
Anon, Redwood, /hsg/, Hussie and the eri corps

>>82762429
what comebacks even are there when someone just lies flat out. 'you are wrong', 'fuck off' work about as well as anything

>>82761745
It means Lord English can't move out of the way or even time travel out of this situation to prevent it from occurring

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>>82762223
That's easily just the furthest ring shattering some more. He's not going to let us make heads or tails of this thing that easily.

>>82762512
how is that backpedaling in any sense of the term?
id like you to name me one other animated 10 minute long project done by 1 person who probably has a life outside making that animation who did it in less than 3 years and came anywhere near to the level of beauty and impressiveness she did, let alone a project that was created for the sole purpose or completeing something for millions of people who read a comic for free. i dont care that you are trolling, you are an entitled shit if you're picking apart the animation quality when that was act 7's biggest redeeming quality.

>>82754903
Eridan
Nepeta
Fef
AR, WV and PM and their special interests
solluxander

The real question about Act 7: Why isn't there any porn of Aradia or even Vriska in its art style?

>>82754903
(you)
(you)
(you)
(you)
(you)

>>82762512
sorry anon i meant >>82762681
for >>82762508

>>82762681
I'm not backpedaling, I'm a different guy. I think the animation looks good but the character designs changing is distracting.

>>82762429
nope. everyone said it was beautiful, because it was. it just didn't clear up what we wanted it to.

shit i got b8d hard

I personally don't like Act 7's animation because it's so disconnected from the rest of the comic. It feels like a fan made it (which is true) than the legitimate ending.

>>82762681
go 2 bed angel

>>82762776
the same can be applied to plenty of flashes and other parts. The art outsourcing gets so common it's not even funny

>>82762776
i get that
hussie getting those 40 pages of detailed art leading up to it seemed like it was supposed to help ease the transition
archive readers probably wont be as bothered by it

>>82761005
>Act 5 Vriska: "I never learned a single thing" edition, now with extra Vriskaness!
>Version of Vriska who improved, but became Fanon Tavros in the process
It's like he tried to insult literally everybody with an opinion on Vriska at once.

>>82761745
Every time I watch this again I get pissed off a little bit more.
Soon I will shed my human skin and rain vengeance on the entire state of Massachusetts to pay for Hussie's sins.
A RECKONING
WILL NOT BE POSTPONED INDEFINITELY.

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Let's rank the kids in terms of how creative they are with their powers

JOSEPH JOESTAR tier:
Roxy
Dirk

DANCE WATER DANCE tier:
John
Dave

Shit tier:
Jane
John

Dog tier:
Jade

HOTPOCKET tier:
Rose

>>82762832
How about instead of moving your goalpost you link the thread from the archives explicitly proving your retarded ass wrong fuckface

I personally don't like Act 7's animation because everyone looks like they have down syndrome

>>82762881
???

>>82762873
FUCK I meant Jake instead of John for shit tier

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>>82762832
no i have shit to do

>>82762873
>Dirk
Are just talking about their aspect powers? What does Dirk do besides shoot people with soul killing lightning?

>>82762906
but arguing with strangers on the internet is not shit to do

its just shit

>>82762906
I'm glad that edit will be my legacy

>>82762873
I don't think any of the kids were particularly clever with their powers except maybe the time players but even they were just kind of told what to do

>>82762883
Why didn't the animator use the same character designs that they used in lullaby gods? It's not like we haven't seen the characters look that way in canon flashes before.

>>82762873
How is "I'm going to suck souls and put some souls in a really stupid place one time" creative use of soul sucking powers?

>>82762692
The only people who still draw Homestuck porn are Mindwipe, Shamefuldisplay, Angel, and roughly three newer artists who hang around these threads. Only Angel could probably make a decent pass at it if you commissioned her to.

>>82762991
Probably because those character designs were more difficult to animate

>>82762945
It is shit that people do. Like you and me, for example.

>>82763021
Could have cut down the runtime of the Genesis frog for more appealing character animation. Seriously, that was beautiful, but did it need to be four fucking minutes?

is there like a dictionary of troll terms? i need it for a thing

>>82763080
preaching to the choir man

>>82763081
No. I've been wanting one myself lately too. You should make one.

>>82763081
http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Troll_terminology

>>82762996
Christ, is this really it? Homestuck porn seemed limitless.

>>82760765
Well duh, of course Vriska thinks the prophecy is bullshit. In her mind, who else would defeat English but her?

>>82761745
Okay, let's try to make sense of this
>0:00 to 0:05
Red energy is unleashed from the Juju. Lord English watches like a moron.
>0:06 to 0:15
Caliborn smashes his clock. Pink energy comes out.
>0:16 to 0:18
Shot of the Green Sun becoming a black hole.
>0:19 to 0:21
Red energy races towards the juju's door as the ground splits apart for a few seconds.
Now this is the interesting part. I think this is actually meant to be LE's point of view: the red energy caught him somehow and dragged him towards the juju, presumably to trap him there. That's why the ground is tearing up: LE is trying to anchor himself to the ground, but fails, that's why the camera speeds up slightly near the end.
Yeah, I got nothing.

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Ah shit, did they remove the HST banner ad?

>>82763243
How many days did you buy?

Why was destroying the Green Sun the big thing that made LE killable? His immortality had nothing to do with his First Guardian powers.

>>82763268
I'm not the guy who bought it, but the guy said it would last until 6/13 or until it got 80,000 views or something like that.

powers dirk has shown:
die alot
ruin his friends lives
steal souls

?????

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>>82759703
>>82759784
>>82760225
>>82760228

you convinced me to waste literally a period of my life to lay out the ending for you. i cant remember anything i regret doing more, but here it is:

http://pastebin.com/T8jtwNjD

>>82763296
destroying the green sun wouldn't weaken him
but it'd create a black hole to throw him in.

That's what I like to think at least

>>82763299
Did he really think directly challenging the mods and linking to a bunch of trashy Homestuck shit would fly?

>>82763334
Don't forget the power to ruin his relationships and the power to abuse children.

>>82763296
Maybe the furthest ring getting demolished motivated him to go through the white house to wherever that goes. It would be a parallel to Jack at least.

>>82763338
Not those guys
but why the fuck? Understanding the ending doesn't make it anymore satisfactory.
it just feels even more of a waste of time after analyzing every ounce of piss from Hussies imaginary commissioned fan-work dick

>>82763367
Maybe if the mods did their fucking jobs they wouldn't need to?

>>82763338
>an eight ball (Lord English)
>Vriska is presumably the tip of the cue
This is worth disputing but I'd give you a pass because it's stated that his weakness is cue balls.

>The juju is like LORD ENGLISH FKIN DETECTED
There's another piece of support for this at p=009323, where Caliborn explicitly states that the Juju changes its nature.

>releases the beta kids who do the cueball thing and knock him in the hole.
You have this listed as a fact, but it is speculation. Yes, Vriska suggests that this might be the case, but we have no reason to believe her, especially given that Dave's prophecy is bullshit. Furthermore, she doesn't say anything more detailed than "the four heroes come out and finish him off". The black hole outcome is implicated nowhere.

>>82763338
>obvious shit everybody knows

Wow... You must be a fucking genius.... For solving this epic puzzle...

>>82763490
yeah like i said i wish i didnt waste time writing this shit out. but what can i say, my ego cant handle not responding when i get called out by anonymous people when im posting anonymously on the internet

>>82763598
How long is your dick?

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>>82763334
dirk is that ninja character in RPGs that is really fucking good the entire game until you hit the final dungeon.

then they can't stop dying and the majority of the time you just use your other players to cast revive on him

>>82763598
Shut the fuck up ipgd

>>82763655
>that mind/time fraymotif
what the fuck just happened

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>>82763655
like fuck man just stop dying

>>82763582
the cueball/eightball/pocket thing is so simple and obvious that it could not possibly be anything but a fact, and i refuse to entertain the possibility that it isnt and anyone who does is being intentionally difficult

>>82763645
5.5 inches

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>you will never hump the Condesce's legs

>>82763718
Hussie forgot to tell his outsourced artist how fucking time travel works in his story

>>82763744
It's so simple there really wouldn't be any reason NOT to make 5 to 10 seconds of animation to show it. That's the flaw I'm seeing.

>>82763744
>the cueball/eightball/pocket thing is so simple and obvious that it could not possibly be anything but a fact, and i refuse to entertain the possibility that it isnt and anyone who does is being intentionally difficult
No it isn't, because it contradicts symbolism from earlier in the comic. Under your interpretation, at different points in time, we had three different characters representing the 8-ball and two different characters representing pool sticks.

8-ball: Snowman, Vriska, Lord English
Cue Stick: Vriska, Lord English

You MUST admit that this is legitimately confusing and in no way obvious to the viewer why Vriska and Lord English would have swapped roles. I've only seen Tex bother to provide a reason why they swapped, and it's pretty convoluted and unintuitive. So what reason do you have for believing this?

>>82763760
if only rose fucking died from that and stayed dead

kanaya can keep the corpse. the relationship would probably be an improvement, even.

>>82763834
Rose Corpse is the best Steven Universe character

>>82763732
To be fair, Heart doesn't have the same bullshit defensive abilities that Mind and Time do. So Dirk is just getting focused like a motherfucker whilst trying to damage whore like a Prince would. It all worked out anyways given the combo abilities of Time and Mind fraymotifs work on allies.

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>>82763760
>Rose and Kanaya's wide, wide masochist streaks

>>82763845
but in SU rose's walking corpse is a little fat boy

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>>82763860

>>82763893
I want to kiss her

>>82763830
my headcanon for why is:
>When they get sealed inside, the kids are stuck (heh) in the juju/homestuck for the comic's duration, and they are released the moment it finishes.
as i wrote in the paste. but thats not facts, just what i think.

>>82763831
vriska has never been the eight ball. she has always been someone who smashes eight balls.
the army stretched out behind vriska with her at the point alludes pretty heavily to her being the tip of the pool cue. on the other hand, it doesnt really matter if what is the pool cue or not since the cueball/eightball/pocket thing still works fine without one.

>>82763760
i have masturbated to completion to this picture before and will again

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WHAT DOES THIS MEAN I-PUNK-GUY-DEODORANTS