DC REBIRTH

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Action Comics #957 new cover by Ivan Reis and Joe Prado.

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Because of >>82713384, Rebirth checklist updated again

>>82713384
I like the blue boots

>>82711791
Will we ever get a decent Cyborg run justifies his being part of the Justice League?

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>Still no Super-Sons writer announced

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>>82713384

Posting its variant by Ryan Sook

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Tec #934 variant by Rafael Albuquerque

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>>82713384
>Wonder Woman

>>82711791
>>82713384

So is New52 Supes kill or just written out of the story for a while?

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Wonder Woman Rebirth #1 Variant by Stanley "Artgerm" Lau

Latest interviews on this series:
http://www.comicosity.com/interview-rucka-sharp-and-scott-rebirth-wonder-woman/
http://www.newsarama.com/29250-rebirth-wonder-woman-is-6-2-strong-striking-all-woman.html

>>82713810
Get your hand out of your pants

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First look at Wonder Woman #2

Sauce: https://twitter.com/NicolaScottArt/status/730905692538736640

>>82714194
Nice

>>82714194
Is he capable of doing backgrounds? I feel like all he does are pose shots.

>>82714929
>not checking his DA first

>>82714184
Neither. Or, I suppose, the "Super" aspect to New52 Clark will be written out. He'll still appear, but presumably as a supporting character or deuteragonist in AC/Superman.

>>82713509
I'm still hopeful for John Semper, to be honest. If it's more like his animated cartoons, it might be halfway decent.

>>82713415
wait so gotham academy and earth 2 are dead or what? I dont get the thing at the bottom

>>82715482
tl;dr, they're just continuing as normal

Technically, Gotham Academy is getting renamed and (presumably) getting a #1 sometime in September. But, as far as we can tell, it won't have any links to what goes on in the DCU Rebirth Special or be tied to the ongoing aspects of what "Rebirth" means for the DCU.

Earth 2 will apparently be the same. I don't know if it's getting renamed or renumbered (it's solicited up to at least July still as "Earth 2: Society"). But it will apparently be unaffected by Rebirth, as well -- presumably until the JSA stuff happens that Johns and co. implied would come.

Are they reseting the universe again?

>>82715698
Thank god. Gotham Academy is my favorite comic they have running at the moment. I'd be super disappointed to see it die.

>>82715733
Not exactly. It's more along the lines of making them like their pre new 52 counterparts when it comes to character and storytelling style, but do this inside the new 52 universe and keeping the new 52 aesthetics, in most cases.

>>82711791
>http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/flash-rebirth-dc-comics-joshua-williamson

Thoughts?

>>82713384
It's amazing how much Berganza is fucking up already

>>82715698
>Technically, Gotham Academy is getting renamed and (presumably) getting a #1 sometime in September. But, as far as we can tell, it won't have any links to what goes on in the DCU Rebirth Special or be tied to the ongoing aspects of what "Rebirth" means for the DCU.

It's a part of Rebirth. It was in the DC Rebirth catalogue as a part of it

>>82715880
The more I hear of this book, the more I dislike it. Not a fan of the colouring either

>>82714184
It looks like he's going to lose his powers and just be Clark Kent or die.

>>82716093
?

No, it wasn't part of the April Previews catalogue, and it's been stated (by DiDio and in other places) that it's not a part of Rebirth.

I don't understand why they are bringing back Pre-Flashpoint Superman as the main Superman of this universe. He doesn't know all these people, he doesn't have memories with them. They have to build his relationship with them from zero again.

>>82716335
Superman fans don't care. They bitched so much editorial gave up.

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>>82715880
I'm confident that Williamson will make Flash a respectable book again. One aspect that I've liked about his work is that he sets up his narratives in intriguing ways -- Ghosted approached spookiness via crime; Birthright jumps back and forth in time. While the whole "multiple speedsters" aspect sounds kind of dumb, I think he'll make it work. Because more than anything, he's been getting better as a writer with each series he's been on.

In terms of art, it feels like Di Giandomenico's pencils work best in context. But he does have his moments of pure awesomeness (pic related), which is probably why Williamson is OK with using him.

And of course, going back to Williamson, the fact that he's a big Flash nerd (and DC fanboy in general) is a HUGE boon for making me like him. Because hey, at least he's not Venditti and Van Jensen.

>>82716335
Because people have spent the last five years complaining about New 52 Supes, so rather than try to address those complaints with character development and more stories like Morrison's run where his new traits worked, or Unchained where he came pretty close in personality to Post-Crisis Clark, they're just replacing him wholesale.

>>82716335
>They have to build his relationship with them from zero again.

it's like his ties with them will be reborn

>>82716335

It shuts up people still mad Superman and Lois aren't a thing and let's them introduce a new Superboy untainted by Lobdell that they can pair with Damian

>>82716133
>Ivan Plascencia

>>82716228
>No, it wasn't part of the April Previews catalogue
You mean the digital version.

>>82714109
>My feet hurt
>This costume is too blue
>I miss my red man shorts
>Why does Batman keep freezing up when I tell him about my mom?

>>82714194
http://www.comicosity.com/interview-rucka-sharp-and-scott-rebirth-wonder-woman/
>Rucka: We meet [Diana] at 18 in “Year One.” She’s 18, but she’s not 18. She’s lived through thousands of years of being 18.

>thousands of years of being 18

the fuck?

>>82716825
like a manchild but for women

>>82716892
Womanchild?

>>82716228
>it's been stated (by DiDio and in other places)
Source for this. And it was in the Catalog saw it myself when I was pre-ordering my books at my lcs

>>82716556
I like his work in other places, but not here. It just doesn't work with Carmine's art imo.

>>82716462
>the fact that he's a big Flash nerd is a HUGE boon for making me like him.
Not for me. Everything he has said about it I haven't been a fan of. Williamson himself has an attitude I just don't like either.

>>82716462
>And of course, going back to Williamson, the fact that he's a big Flash nerd (and DC fanboy in general) is a HUGE boon for making me like him. Because hey, at least he's not Venditti and Van Jensen.

>characterwank is fine when I like the character

>>82713415
God's work, whoever does this checklist.

>>82716335
Nostalgiafags

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Supes' costume somehow got worse. I actually liked the belt and the cuffs. The collar not so much but it never bothered me. Batman looks pretty much the same. Wonder Womens' design is 9/10, it would be 10/10 without the cape.

Skirt WW>any other WW

Anyone know where I can find scans to recent stuff? New52, recent releases, etc. Help a poorfag out.

>>82713415
who the fuck is Superwoman?

>>82717282
Lois. Not sure if New 52 Lois or one from previous continuity.

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>>82716660
>Post-Crisis Clark has lost both of his parents now
>All of his friends are gone and replaced by a bunch of youngins who look the same but aren't
>His new universe as a whole is darker, more bitter, and less accepting of heroes
Thank fuck he has Lois and Jon, the poor guy would probably lose it otherwise.

>>82717318
It's New 52 Lois if I remember right. She got New 52 Clark's powers and apparently they're killing her.

>>82717443
>N52 Superman is literally dying
>has no parents and only some friends
>Yeah, but poor Post-Crisis Superman with his belove Lois and a kid! He is the real victim here!

Fuck you

>>82717476
WHOR DONE RIGHT!
If we were joking.

>>82717476
Whor done right

>>82717490
Go fuck yourself faggot. Just because I pointed out how fucked up Post-Crisis Clark's situation is doesn't mean I'm not incredibly bitter about how they're treating N52 Clark.

>>82716825
When was New 52 Diana born?

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>>82711791
It will be shit ... and people will hate it as much as they hated New 52.

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>>82717230
>tfw N52's costumes are actually better
Why are we still here?
Just to suffer?

>>82717639
To bitch about classic Wally, red trunks and boring Hal.

>>82717230
Check win O threads

>>82717661
Superman is literally just a blue man. Batman looks like some guy masquerading as Batman.

Wonder Woman is nice, though.

>>82717230
>>82717639
The worst part is that the other Superman design that they came up with that had a gold belt and red boots was significantly better and they passed on it for this shit.

I think the new 52 WW costume was fine though and didn't really need to be changed again. This one has too much shit on the boots, though I don't mind the skirt.

>>82717639
I dunno, I'm really like Wonder Woman's. Batman's gold rimmed emblem and purple lined pimp cape are really growing on me fast too.

I have no fucking clue what they were thinking with Superman though. I'm missing the New 52 suit already. I really liked it other than the dumb seams everywhere.

>>82711791
I believe DC has finally pushed to hard on sups costume and the push back will be glorious
Hopefully that godawful aquaman costume will get swept up in the chaos to

And I truely believe editorial will take a lighter hand as they claim at the very least I doubt there will be another Batman doesent sit.

>>82713384
Wait there resuming the old numbering again.
That's going to cause a lot of confusion with there being 2 action comics 1-50 but nothing else.
Or was it only detective comics that ever got the numbering reset

>>82717854
Detective and Action only.

This shitty new Superman suit is the main reason I think this is a stealth farewell to pre-Flashpoint Superman and new 52 Superman will be back active eventually. Like they'll have the old one mentor him for a while and then pass the name back after he's learned to be a "real" Superman or something to appease everyone. That full blue costume is so just against the idea of Rebirth that they're selling. I can't buy that it's meant to be a legit full-time thing perpetually. The only thing it got right was the collar.

>>82717812
>Batman doesent sit.
What nigger?

>>82717137
But you don't understand how bad The Flash became when you had two writers who -- literally -- never read a Flash comic in their lives.

The fact that he presumably knows the difference between Zoom and the original Reverse Flash is enough for me to be comparatively happy.

>>82717230
Batman's new costume is so inconsistent, it all depends on how they color it

>>82715846
I can't auctualy decide if that's a good thing or a bad thing

>>82717854
I don't think it will cause confusion given that we're talking 1930s comics vs 2010s ones. Pretty easy to know what series someone is talking about. And even just generally going back to classic numbering isn't unusual. DC did it a few years ago with WW and Adventure Comics.

>>82716335
Pretty much the only Superman I have read of the new 52 is the first volume, 49,50 and what's in justice league but he dident seem to bad to me i especialy liked his powerlevel

Although now that I think about it he did seen a little to aggressive

>>82716462
>Because more than anything, he's been getting better as a writer with each series he's been on.
Why can't more writers be like this

>>82718016
It's also happened with at least a few Marvel books, like Thor.

>>82717899
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/07/when-batman-sits-down/

>>82718157
>seven League chairs
>Batman stands behind
>if you sit on his chair, he glares at you until you get off
What a dick.

>Superman fans get their hero back
>all the others are stuck with the shitty new 52 versions

thansk DC

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>>82718222
Also, that Flash.

>>82717812
>doubt there will be another Batman doesent sit.
Of course there won't be. That was years ago under a different editorial regime. That's completely irrelevant to Rebirth

>>82717906
Being a fanboy is completely irrelevant. It's the actual writing that counts. Azzarello was not a fan of Wonder Woman when he started writing her, but his run ended up being great.

>>82718111
Marvel just bullshits numbers to reach milestones

>>82718236
This is not my Superman. My Superman has a son named Chris Kent not this Jon faggot. You don't speak for me.

>>82718236
Supergirl is losing her New52 personality too for a more classic approach. And Bertinelli is returning to her mob hunting Huntress roots

>>82715777
It'll last for a bit, Didio's vouching for it, like with Jonah Hex.

>>82718486
>Chris Kent
Oh yeah, the kid he adopted for a week before he lost him and never put an effort in to find.
I'll admit it's a sweet story, and it would have been nice if something came of it, but this is a boy that Clark has raised.

>>82718632
>and it would have been nice if something came of it,

He did come back in New Krypton before getting sucked back in.

And I'm just saying I won't accept them trying to sell Jon as Lois and Clark's only child as if that's the truth. They are clearly not actually respecting pre-Flashpoint history.

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tfw DC will die in your lifetime.

>>82718680
>I won't accept them trying to sell Jon as Lois and Clark's only child
But do you accept him as the son of Superman, if not the only one?

>>82718738
Yes but only if they honor Chris as well as a brother he never knew. I kind of understand ignoring Cir-El since that was kind of weird, but Chris was a mostly normal kid and it was published in the last 10 years.

So far only Moz is in my good books for remembering Chris.

>>82719112
Then give Clark and Jon a chance, and hope that someone can remember Chris somehow.
Because Supersons is looking really fun.

>>82719168
>Then give Clark and Jon a chance, and hope that someone can remember Chris somehow.

At this point I don't have much hope. Jurgens isn't going to do it and he seems to be in charge. Since it probably wasn't emphasized by Johns already (one of Chris's creators) then it likely won't be addressed.

>Because Supersons is looking really fun.

Hard for me to go this far when we don't know the creative team. Damian hanging out with other characters is usually good though.

>>82719200
The only thing I've seen about the team is that Wikipedia says it's Christopher Burns, who's done some Darkwing Duck comics, and Dennis Culver, who I don't recognize anything about.

>>82719268
There was a rumor that they were the early team on the book but then got replaced. We don't know the real team yet. We'll see.

>>82713488

So do I

>>82713509

He's going to suffer Manhunter syndrome. Like MM can't get past White Martians, Cyborg will be stuck with tech threats

>>82719327
I don't. The more red they take off, the more his outfit looks like Ultraman.

>>82716825
>>82716892

That was what DCAU Wonder Woman was like. She seemed like a naive child but she was shown to have known people who are long dead with their work now in museums

>>82717566

It can't be as bad as ANAD

>>82717639
>>82717230

New 52 Ultraman unironically has the best "Superman" costume

>>82718256

>Batman sits on the expensive computer systems when there are perfectly good chairs

Damn rich assholes

>>82717566
>>82719475
People always bitch. Times good for some franchises were bad for others.

Like with OYL, was anything but Superman and GL good then?

>>82719575

Nothing so far actually sounds bad from Rebirth so far. Action under Jurgens wont be bad just a bit bland. Batman and Wonder AWoman are in great hands. There are some titles that look a bit iffy though (Superwoman) but to early to call bad

So do I need to catch up on anything before buying some titles? I just want to read some Teen Titans without wanting to kill myself. Fucking Lobdell.

>>82719168
>Supersons is looking really fun.
You literally don't know anything about it beyond the leads and your headcanon

>>82720238
Pak's TT has been ok actually.

>>82719655
>Superwoman looks iffy
Based on what?

During the first fight in Super Sons, Damian hits Jon so hard that his Jacket rips apart.

Yeah that's right, we're going to get shirtless Super sons by Jorge Jiminez.

>>82720328
No it hasn't. It's been pretty shit.

>>82720238
No, you don't.

>>82720353
>No it hasn't. It's been pretty shit.

I think you're overreacting. It's truly been readable.

>>82720380
A lot of things are readable. But it's still been bad.

>>82720333
Please be joking. I'm hating this fucking book with every new bit of information released.

>>82720389
I really don't agree. It's not amazing or anything but it's fine. Certainly a step up from Lobdell like he mentioned.

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>>82717230
>Supes' costume somehow got worse
It would be so easy for them to make it infinitely better.

>>82716335
People kept bitching about how New 52 Superman was "too edgy" despite most of that nonsense being limited to the first year or two of the New 52
>>82716490
>Morrison's run
Funny that you bring that up because that's one of the places they were getting "edgelord" Superman from alongside the first arc of Justice League. Supesfags are retarded and I love the fuck out of Superman.

>>82718525
It's pretty weird that Jonah Hex isn't around anymore. That book seemed to be a constant thing in DC for yearsz

>>82720401
It's a joke anon, but I won't be surprised if it happens.

I mean, SuperBats is a thing, and with the huge shota community on co..

>>82720401
Not that anon but what don't you like about this? Doesn't sound anything offensive or crap like the Red Hood shit.

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Not a fan of Ravager's new suit.

>>82721492

How can you fuck up Ravager? Just do Deathstroke with tits

>>82721546
Most of Rebirthed costumes are pure shit.

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>>82713415
Not a huge DC guy so, don't get all wadded up.

Didn't decide on nightwing or deathstroke until seeing this image though.

>>82719327
I disagree with you but I can respect your opinion as long as you agree we need the red trunks back.

>>82721845
I think they keep doing obviously worse shit to distract from the trunks debate, like right now for me it's not nearly as much of a concern as the lack of red boots

>>82721845
I'm a third party who thinks a shirt and pants look is fantastic for Superman. Preferably a costume with that vibe instead of regular old shirt and pants. The trunks are nice as an iconic thing but I mostly see them as a throwback to circus strongmen in the era and just a way to break up the colors of the costume.

I think the true common enemy we should all be against is the Man of Steel onesie look. Fuck that

>>82721492
The mask kills it.

>>82718453
Azzarello shat on WW mythology for his Greek god wankery and wrote an else world Wonder Woman. Venditti has 0 respect for previous mythos, look what happened in both case then speak faggot.

>>82721977
It was barely a WW story, her characterization was very absent. Could have been any "heroic" sort of character and nothing would have changed.

>>82719655
>bit bland.
I'd use that word carefully while mentioning Jurgens.

>>82720328
It's trash desu. Art is shit too.

>>82720764
Morrison's Superman wasn't even edgy after 4 fucking issues. Fuck superfags.

>>82721977
>>82722017
As someone who (unfortunately?) read Azz as their first actual Wonder Woman run, how do her previous stories compare? Would I like what they announced for Rebirth? I kinda liked Azz when I read it like a year back, it just wasn't anything to write home about.

>>82722017
>her characterization was very absent.
End this meme.

>>82722069
Morrison's Superman was perfect for me. It's a modern version of Earth-Two Superman who's one of my favorite versions of the character. I guess people don't understand character development and think characters should hit their end point right from the start.

>>82722073
Yeah you'll like it. Cucka is modernizing Wonder Woman and mythology there will be bit grounded. Azz WW is good. He missed some things but mythological take was better than anything since Cucka left in 2006.

>>82722069
>>82722118
I guarantee you the people bitching did not read this run nor have they read any Superman ongoing. They are the "Superman's only good stories are in Elseworlds" types.

>>82722095
She was as boring as people claim Hal Jordan is

>>82722152
Nah they're mostly pre Flashpoint faggots and clois memers.
Guy who reads elsewords wouldn't meme about characterization or cast or any shit.

>>82722152
I got the impression it was more people who were just angry about the reboot and just getting their anger from out of context pages or panels they came across. It didn't help that early New 52 had this...neo-90s.....feel to it...which I guess turned people off from noticing the handful of good things.

>>82722161
Every personality traits she had before, she had there too. She didn't get as much character development and panel time wondercucks wanted.

>>82722217
And if you're talking about the fun zany Wondy, she has been missing since 90s.

>>82722069

That's because most Superfags aren't defined by their love for Superman but by their hate for Batman.

>>82722464
Not surprisingly it goes both ways. It hurts to be a World's Finest fan

>>82721492
Who cares. Christopher Priest.

>>82721652
>Deathstroke
>Depends on Rebirth issue
Nigga what? Look at the writer and pick them both up.

>>82722095
People have a hard time noticing a character's personality unless it's shoved right in their face.

>>82722118
>Earth-Two Superman
Just call him Golden Age Superman, gramps.

>>82725124
Don't want to confuse him with any other Earth-Two Superman with any kind of history like...uh...

>>82711791
OP I don't know who you are but I appreciate your daily countdown

>>82715698

Earth 2 seems to be cooking up it's own in-story reboot machine. After all the effort they put into this universe they aren't gonna simply drop it for the old one.

>>82721492

Are you kidding? That looks dope.

>>82725542
How does it look like they're going to do it now? I haven't gotten around to the last couple of issues. It'd be nice if Earth-2 gets fixed and Prime Earth gets it's own JSA soon.

>>82725692
If I remember my "leaks" correctly, it has them fighting in WW2 and then transported to today. All of them young and fit but out of their time.

>>82725775
and the Earth-2 reboot in the works?

>>82725818
If there's any reboot. Nobody mentions anything about Earth 2.

>>82721492
Post the one without the under armor.

>>82722017
I agree, she didn't even snap any necks!

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>>82726050

>>82717562
A regular 23 years. This is a pretty big retcon that's obviously there to get rid of the sex-and-murder expeditions since there's no way a thousands-of-years-old Diana would never notice those.

>>82718710
Don't most superheroes enter the public domain in like 40 years? Cape comics are on borrowed time even if the editorial teams knew how to manage them.

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DEATHSTROKE #1

Written by CHRISTOPHER PRIEST
Art and cover by CARLO PAGULAYAN and JASON PAZ
Variant cover by SHANE DAVIS


“The Professional” part one! Deathstroke’s latest contract takes him to a war-torn African country, where he finds himself caught in the middle of a disintegrating alliance between a ruthless dictator and a deadly super-villain. With an entire nation at stake, Slade Wilson must choose between fulfilling his contract and saving an old friend.
On sale AUGUST 24 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T+

>>82718710
What makes you so sure?

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HARLEY QUINN #1

Written by AMANDA CONNER and JIMMY PALMIOTTI
Art by CHAD HARDIN
Covers by AMANDA CONNER
Variant covers by BILL SIENKIEWICZ


“Die Laughing” part one! Welcome back to Harley Quinn’s crazy world on Coney Island…now get ready to wave goodbye, because everyone there just might get eaten alive! Harley’s gotta protect her neighborhood against an all-out zombie apocalypse! Break out the chainsaws, everybody!

On sale AUGUST 3 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T+

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SUPERWOMAN #1

Written by PHIL JIMENEZ
Art by PHIL JIMENEZ and MATT SANTORELLI
Cover by PHIL JIMENEZ
Variant cover by TERRY DODSON and RACHEL DODSON


“Who Is Superwoman?” part one! Lois Lane takes flight! Now powered up with the abilities of Superman, Lois pledges to carry on the super-legacy as Superwoman! There’s only one problem: Lois’ new powers are killing her, and neither she nor her friend and confidant Lana Lang know what to do about it. Will Lois even survive long enough to learn the deadly secret of Ultra Woman?

On sale AUGUST 10 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T

Does anyone have any hope for the Constantine book? I feel like it should be on Young Animal.

>>82726130
This one doesn't look so great. Is it a fan edit or just an alternate version?

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>>82726537
Alternate version, doubt we'll see it.

>>82726495
Can't wait.

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I wish Kerschl was doing the interiors on Flash. His Flash is my favorite.

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Are you ready for sexy Bruce, /co/?

>>82726854
I wish he was back on Gotham Academy but the only thing I saw listed him as a writer.

>>82726962
Y-yes

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Fernandez's Nightwing looks great

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>>82727206
Ah, shit, wrong version

>>82727157
>>82727206
>>82727231
Sauce?

>>82727231
not enough bulge imo

>>82727256
Fernandez's facebook and instagram

>>82726854
I miss the days when there wasn't lightning flying around everywhere.

>>82727297
Thanks!

>>82726854

this is still the only great Barry Allen story

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Rebirth checklist again updated.

Meanwhile, Gary Frank's Twitter has a few black and white portions of his part in DC Universe: Rebirth #1.

>>82727331
I imagine this is how they chose the artists for Nightwing.

>>82722152
Completely agree, lowest common denominator facebook faggots screaming NOT MUH even though they've literally never read a Superman comic

>>82726530
>I feel like it should be on Young Animal.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly.

It kind of sticks out like a sore thumb in the core DCU, given that there's not even a single other magical/mystical book in the lineup -- and plus, as the sales show, it's not even like there's much demand for a DCU Constantine book right now.

>>82727719
The Young Animal books are set in the DCU I thought?

>>82727776
Maybe. I was being unclear. I kind of meant "DCU" more as "intended for a broad-ish audience".

Hellblazer is the kind of series that should be as weird as it wants to be, no strings attached. It's made for an imprint of some kind -- nowadays, Young Animal would maybe fit best.

>>82727231
This is very Samnee esque, isn't it?

>>82727895
Yeah fair enough, I'd agree with that.

I would guess that it's maybe just that Way doesn't care about it that much so they kept it in main universe editorial.

>>82727719
It's the only thing I care about in that lineup. I keep hoping DC announces more titles because the current lineup sans the Young Animal books is a wasteland.

>>82727206
Yeah, he's a really good artist. He did an issue or two of Batman Eternal and I was quite impressed. Glad he's getting more work.

>>82726962
Hnnng

>>82727374
>old comics can't be good
No.

>>82728122
>Glad he's getting more work.
Well, double-shipping surely helps artists to get work at DC.

>>82728184

that's not an old comics crack, it's a Barry sucks crack.

stand by it too, help me w/ recs

>>82726495
I wish this had better art...

>>82727476
How is Lupachino doing both Superwoman and Supergirl?

>>82728228
She's not doing Supergirl outside of covers

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>>82727476
>Gotham Academy

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Batgirl #2 solicit just revealed by ComicVine.

BATGIRL #2

Written by HOPE LARSON
Art and cover by RAFAEL ALBUQUERQUE
Variant cover by FRANCIS MANAPUL

“Beyond Burnside” part two. Batgirl is off to Singapore! Following the mysterious advice of the ancient superhero known as Fruit Bat, Babs dives into the dangerous world of MMA fighting. But her first opponent may be more than just an adversary in the ring. Could she be connected to Babs’ new travel-companion-slash-maybe-crush?

On sale AUGUST 24 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T


>>82728284
Did you read the text on the bottom of the checklist?

>>82728244
Sauce?

>>82728284
Gotham Academy will have an annual sort of thing in August too. Might want to add that to the chart, solicits will be out in the next week though.

>>82728356
>>Did you read the text on the bottom of the checklist?
I did. I'm saying the chart is wrong.

>>82728244
Look at her twitter. Doesn't seem like she's only doing covers for Supergil.

>>82728356
>Fruit Bat
What dumb name.

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Batfamily books are getting good artists so far.

>>82728190
Most of the Rebirth artists are mediocre though.

>>82728360
>Gotham Academy will have an annual sort of thing in August too.
Sauce or did you made that up?

>Might want to add that to the chart
Wait for the Second Semester solicit reveal

>>82728387
But you didn't pay attention to:
>(later retracted)

>>82728356
Who is Hope Larson?

>>82728431
Hence, "get work". Not going into quality of their work.
>>82728464
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_Larson#Works
To me, she's literally who.

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>>82728412

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>>82728501

>>82728447
>(later retracted)
Meaning what exactly. That them not being part of Rebirth has been retracted or that them being on Rebirth has been retracted. If it's the latter, the image I posted is the latest straight from the DC Rebirth catalogue.

>>82728447
>Sauce or did you made that up?

They had the note in the last issue >>82667034 and Cloonan referred to it as an annual on twitter

>>82728431
Well many of the competent artists are either with Johns or were too busy working on something close to Rebirth and couldn't be on an ongoing right away. Finch's last Wonder Woman issue was back in January or February so he's probably been working on Batman since then.

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>>82728516

>>82728228
Both of those books are monthly so she might just be doing an issue here and there for both to give the regular artists more breathing room.

>>82728541
I have flashbacks of Quentin Quire eating apples in Uncanny X-Men.
Also, food. Alfred will whoop Bruce's ass.

>>82728519
From the WonderCon press Q&A:
>Earth 2 and Gotham Academy Next Semester will continue the previous series, and aren't "part of the Rebirth event."

But: >>82728284

>>82728524
I get it

>>82728412
>>82728501
>>82728516
>>82728541
Pretty impressive, Who is the artist?

>>82728627
Dexter Soy.

>>82728412
>>82728501
>>82728516
>>82728541
How does this book keep getting good artists?

>>82728683
Artists can draw helmet in any way they want.
I'll be surprised if he remains of book after dozen issues. Although, if you see how much work he gets and that Lobdell is steady paycheck...

>>82728641
Oh, the guy from AK genesis? He is really good.

Well, it's seems that Red Hood will be the only batbook on my pull list.

>>82728907
Too bad I'm sure that Lobdell will find a way to screw those pages up. I really like Soy's art as well.

>>82728907

>Well, it's seems that Red Hood will be the only batbook on my pull list.

Seriously? It's a book written by Scott Lobdell, a hack full of stupid ideas.

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Which books besides Supergirl do you think Husbando will be getting?

>>82728943
You just know skyline here will be full of boxes >>82728541

>>82728994

>Hi, this is me reader, Jason Todd, as i was back then. let me explain everything that is happening in this page...

>>82729038
>see this guy? That's Batman. Yep, THE Batman.

>>82729038
>>82729058

Don't forget about him explaining his feelings back then and his feelings now going on and on about his angst.

>>82728412
>>82728501
>>82728516
>>82728541
OK, I'm interested in the the book now. What will be about?

>>82729099
Just imagine Rorschach written by Lobdell.

>>82729145

Rebirth one shot with Scott Lobdell making Red Hood's origin more convoluted by retconning yet again new stuff in.

>>82729145
It's Lobdell so it'll be shit. Don't bother.

>>82729171

Jesus! Lobdell's characters are always snarky and making pop-culture references. Rorschach acting Melrose Place character would be weird.

>>82728641
Why does Lobdell keep getting good artists? Fuck this.

Can someone tell me what DC Rebirth is?

>>82729240
Plus, his journal would end up with thousands of pages. Dude on last page would just nope fuck out and never publish truth.
>>82729341
New #1 issues.

>>82729200

I just want to like a Red Hood book. Why does the one guy who is still on the same book he was when the new52 started have to Lobdell?

It's not like his Red Hood is some sales juggernaut or critical darling, it wouldn't hurt to switch things up

The fact that Scott Lobdell will be writing Bizarro AND INTRODUCING Artemis worries me.

I mean, can you imagine just how convoluted he will make Artemis origin? Her history will be more confusing that Donna Troy!

>>82729410
>The fact that Scott Lobdell will be writing Bizarro
He wanted to write him for years. Remember Doom Patrol pitch?
>interesting lineup
>Lobdell as writer

>>82729410
I can't wait for her to be tsundere for Jason because Bizarro is too gross looking for anyone to find attractive.

And by "I can't wait", I mean " I dread the moment"

>>82729145
Here the synopsis:
>Now the Red Hood plans to use his status as a villain to take down Gotham’s underworld from the inside. Joined by a fallen Amazon named Artemis, and a half-baked Superman clone named Bizarro, this dark trinity will soon discover that the line between hero and villain is difficult to discern…

Additional comments from Lobdell:
>Red Hood, Artemis and the new Bizarro are described as a “dark Trinity”.

>The "dark Trinity" will not be friends from the beginning like the old Outlaws.

>Artemis regards Bizarro as an abomination because he has no soul.

>Jason Todd isn’t sure how much of a soul he has after being brought back from the dead, and feels Bizarro is a kindred spirit.

>A man who has had trouble making close friends in his life, Jason is not a leader of the team but an equal.

I'm also interested in the book and will pick it up.

>>82729400
It's a containment title. What pisses me off is that he keeps getting good artists.

>>82729449
>You're stupid, Bizarro
>You're welcome! (at least that's what I think is Bizzaro's "thank you"?)
>Artemis rolls eyes in background and ughs

>>82729464
>Rocafort wasted his first few years of new 52 with Lobdell
And then he was put on Teen Titans. DC literally wasted him.

>>82729329
>Why does Lobdell keep getting good artists
Why does Lobdell keep getting work?

>>82729491
Red Hood was the reason he got noticed...

>>82729491
Rocafort is terrible.

>>82729443

Yeah, but that worries me. H'Ell was going to be Nu52 Bizarro before the editor stood up and stopped him.

I mean... fucking H'Ell, dude. His ideal version of Bizarro is basically Radditz.

>>82729449

Oh, Jason and Artemis will be long time lovers for whatever reason, because every DC chick fucked Jason at some point. Remember how Deathstroke's daughter was all over Jason's dick when she showed up in RHatO because they had a thing in the "past"?

But seriously, i don't even mind Artemis fucking Jason. I'm just worried about how messy and confusing he'll make her past. Take Nu52 Superboy. He just needed to make him a clone of Superman and be done with it, but nooooo.... let's create a time-travel story so fucking confusing that will put pre-52 Hawkman in shame.

>>82729532
And he could've been put on a different book with a writer who wasn't shit but they didn't.

>>82729527
Nepotism. Or they keep him around because 20 years ago he wrote Generation X.
>>82729532
Starfire controversy surely helped.

>>82729450

>Artemis regards Bizarro as an abomination because he has no soul.

>Jason Todd isn’t sure how much of a soul he has after being brought back from the dead, and feels Bizarro is a kindred spirit.

>A man who has had trouble making close friends in his life, Jason is not a leader of the team but an equal.

So much goddamn angst.

>>82729553
>Yeah, but that worries me. H'Ell was going to be Nu52 Bizarro before the editor stood up and stopped him.
Ha, no shit? I just skimmed through pages, didn't pay attention much.
>Remember how Deathstroke's daughter was all over Jason's dick when she showed up in RHatO because they had a thing in the "past"?
Come on, underage mercenary love is the best.

>>82718486
It is the same superman. It's not his fault that Chris sacrificed himself.

>>82728534
I would say the majority are competent but only several or so are truly great.

>>82728683
I'm pretty sure Lobdell has blackmail info on everyone in the comic industry.
>The number of murdered prostitutes that man must have helped bury over the years.

>>82729624

Yeah, but Ravager never interacted with Jason before and she just showed and acted as his jilted lover.

This attempt to make Red Hood a ladies man is pathetic.

>>82729662
>This attempt to make Red Hood a ladies man is pathetic.
it is. everyone knows Dick is the ladies man of the Batfamily. and Jason is basically the opposite of Dick, so shouldn't he be a rapist or something?

>>82729693
he should be gay but they'll never make a male Robin gay because of Wertham

>>82729693

>so shouldn't he be a rapist or something?

Before the reboot Jason hated rapists because of his past and was basically a momma's boy. He didn't knew how to act around women other than try to act cool and come out as pathetic. That was much more cuter than him being a generic action movie protagonist.

>>82729662
Women love the angsty bad boy shtick though, I'm pretty sure Jason has plenty of female fans, going by Tumblr and fanfiction anyway.

>>82729743

You can be a angsty bad boy and still don't know how to behave around women. I think that is a lot more appealing.

The female fans can think of their OC as the woman who will finally teach Jason the pleasures of da sex.

>>82729721
>they'll never make a male Robin gay
Tim

>>82714152
loving the purple

>>82729833
You may not remember the pathethic attempt at making him a ladies man in Red Robin.

>>82729798
I haven't read Outlaws since about 2013 so it might have changed, but the only time I remember Jason dating he tried to be as normal as possible and told the women he owned a dry cleaning company or something, the date was so boring she was glad when they got attacked.

>>82729693
He's a rapist in most Dick/Jason and Jason/Tim fics, does that count?

>>82729833

Scott Lobdell made him fuck the entire cast of Teen Titans. No, seriously.

I think Lobdell likes to make the Robins his self-insert or something.

>>82729833
Muh bi-curiosity.
>>82729867
And that's it, no more dating.

>>82729897
>Scott Lobdell made him fuck the entire cast of Teen Titans. No, seriously.
For real? Even male ones? And that cute black smoke whatever she is?

>>82729867

You mean that blond chick? Before that Lobdell showed that he fucked Essence, then tried to fuck Starfire (it's pretty obvious that Lobdell went back on them fucking because of the backlash) and then that he fucked Ravager.

Basically any women not named Starfire.

>>82729936

He fucked Cass, the smoke lady and almost fucked Raven.

Fuck, who knows. He probably fucked Bunker too.

>>82729936
Just the female ones. He was possessed by Raven, who was apparently evil at the time.

>>82729957
I remember one anon saying Outlaws should be OT3. To me, it'd make more sense than acting like DAMAGED AND IN NEED OF SUPPORT 24/7!

>>82716335
At first I thought like this, but then I realized that thematically it makes sense. If rebirth is about reintroducing traditional storytelling style and values into the new 52 universe, replacing the more modern and cynical approach, then literally reintroducing DC's Flagship character and the character that embodies these traits would be fitting.

In a way it reminds me of the fact that current Barry Allen is post crisis barry, who at the same time was not affected by the crisis. Since Barry Allen is the forerunner of change in the DC universe, it would make sense to introduce him into a changed universe. Since superman is the embodiment of classic dc, it would make sense to reintroduce him into a world that is trying to go back to its roots while incorporating the new.

>>82729904
>implying Tim wasn't gay for Conner

>>82716335
>>82730011

Screaming about Wally being a great fit for the same thing (Return to 88-11 DC)

>>82729980
>>82729986
I know what I'll read tomorrow.
I liked Bunker from tie-ins to Death of the Family. He'd probably look better with decent coloring, though. Fucking Dalhouse.
Fwiw, his coloring on Legends of Tomorrow isn't making me stab my eyes.

>>82729998

When the book was announced Scott Lobdell went out and told people that there would be no romance in the book and that Red Hood, Starfire and Arsenal would be fuckbuddies.

You can see that in issue 1 and 2 that was very much the case, but then all hell broke lose and Starfire and Arsenal became a monogamous couple.

>>82730011
I hope classic Superman realizes Barry caused the current DCU and treats him like the villain he is.

>>82729410
This pisses me off. The idea of a "dark Trinity" could be great if it had a good writer behind it.

>>82729897
This was post n52, right? I remember post crisis Tim actually rejected Ravager's advances.

>>82729957
I'd forgotten about her
>http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Essence_(Prime_Earth)

I can't decide with Jason either he'd could only have quick anonymous sex with no commitment because DAMAGED, or he'd really have to be deep in a relationship, and would likely burst into tears halfway through cumming.

>>82730075
Classic Superman himself is basically a villain for sitting out so many potentially world ending events

>>82730025
Oh, I'm not implying. I'm fan of that pairing, even if I didn't read many comics with them. But I don't think they'll pull Iceman with any of Robins.
>>82730073
How come DC's writers always buckle before backlash but Marvel profits?

>>82728541
I just realized how fun of a story it would be seeing Batman go through the drive-thru in the Batmobile.

>>82730082
Lobdell is pretty consistent at coming up with interesting ideas and then fucking it up with absolutely horrible execution.
>>82730083
This was issue #18 of the first New 52 Teen Titans series.

>>82730083

Yes, Post-Nu52 where Timothy Drake is not the real name of Nu52 Tim but a fake name given to him by the witness protection program because he stole Pinguim to get Batman attention and placing himself and his family in danger. Also, his a genius and a Olympic level-athlete.

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>>82730117
Come on, he saved Batman from that deadly arrow.
>>82730143
Bonus if he uses this.

>>82730128
Tim is being written by openly bisexual James Tynion IV with rebirth, so who knows. Although I don't know if Connor is going to exist now that they have a new Superboy on the scene to ship with Damian.

The amount of butthurt over Lobdell and Redhood in this thread is so damn high.

It's hilarious.

>>82730128
Marvel purists eat up any shit the mouse farts out. DC purists feel the need to be catered to and spoiled.

>>82730075
Wasn't there a threat that Barry had to prevent by creating the new 52? I think it was one of those dropped storylines from 2011.

>>82730195
>Tim is being written by openly bisexual James Tynion IV with rebirth, so who knows
>implying writers make this decision
DC will never have a gay/bi Robin.

>>82730128
>How come DC's writers always buckle before backlash but Marvel profits?
whatever deal Stan Lee made with the Devil to get credit for all Marvel creations included a curse on DC apparently

>>82730195

>Although I don't know if Connor is going to exist now that they have a new Superboy on the scene to ship with Damian.

Honestly? I don't want to ever again see Scott Lobdell's Superboy.

>>82730220
It's inevitable with the push for diversity.

>>82730195
>Source?
Tynion's actually gay so that might be interesting. If true.

>>82730197

I hate everything Lobdell with pretty much all the character he has handled thus far. The dude is like DC's Bendis.

>>82730195
You do make interesting point. But still, I don't think it'll happen. But seeing how there's no Connor... Tim/Clayface OTP?

>>82730286
>Lobdell...is like DC's Bendis
no, people liked Bendis at one point

>>82728991
I'm still hoping they'll give him a Shazam book.

Nu52 Connor means more Harvest. Do you guys want that?

>>82730278
From his tumblr
>So here’s the big thing that I wanted to say.
>I’m Bisexual.
>I’ve never been a big fan of that word, or at least I’ve never really felt a real connection to it, but Queer never felt right either, so I’ll stick with Bi for now. I think part of the problem I still have with the word is how misunderstood it all still is. A lot of gay men view it as me having one step stuck back in the closet, and a lot of women view it as me having one step out of the closet.
>My story in short - First came out as Bi in middle school. It didn’t go well. Like really not well (Middle Schoolers are mostly evil, by the way). I changed schools for High School to an All-Guys Catholic school, where I started identifying as Gay. Found some amazing friends and fell a little bit in love with all of them at one point or another. I helped start our school’s first support group for Gay Students, and battled our small-minded principal to try and make it public. Graduated, and went to a super LGBT friendly college, Sarah Lawrence, which has a predominantly female population. Fell in love with a lady for the first time since middle school. Had a massive identity crisis when I realized that I wasn’t actually gay, and that the original prognosis of “Bi” was still the accurate one. Fast forward about 6 years, and here I am.

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>>82730339
Only if Lobdell is writing him. Another writer could easily retcon that, or just bring back the pre-Flashpoint Superboy.

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>>82730302
And people loved pic related. Only difference, albeit very important one, is that Bendis has way more editorial pull than Lobdell.

>>82730197
Well, Jasonhaters got triggered by the fact that some anons here showed interest in red hood and I agree it's hilarious and kinda pathetic too.

>>82730339
No it doesn't, just retcon it all out.

>>82730362

>or just bring back the pre-Flashpoint Superboy.

Now you're talking!

>>82730286
Isn't there any book, any book at all, that Lobdell could potentially be enjoyable on? I'm sincerely asking. I would love to see someone do something interesting with Jason Todd again, so can't Lobdell do something else for a change? He always struck me as less outright terrible than extremely mediocre and generic. Isn't there a book where his sensibilities could actually work?

>>82730410

I like Jason Todd, pre-52 at least.

I just hate the one Scott Lobdell came up with, but that's mostly because he turned the character into an insufferable character.

>>82730370
>reading Marvel
not even once

>>82730348
>>So here’s the big thing that I wanted to say.
>>I’m Bisexual.
>>I’ve never been a big fan of that word, or at least I’ve never really felt a real connection to it, but Queer never felt right either, so I’ll stick with Bi for now. I think part of the problem I still have with the word is how misunderstood it all still is. A lot of gay men view it as me having one step stuck back in the closet, and a lot of women view it as me having one step out of the closet.
>>My story in short - First came out as Bi in middle school. It didn’t go well. Like really not well (Middle Schoolers are mostly evil, by the way). I changed schools for High School to an All-Guys Catholic school, where I started identifying as Gay. Found some amazing friends and fell a little bit in love with all of them at one point or another. I helped start our school’s first support group for Gay Students, and battled our small-minded principal to try and make it public. Graduated, and went to a super LGBT friendly college, Sarah Lawrence, which has a predominantly female population. Fell in love with a lady for the first time since middle school. Had a massive identity crisis when I realized that I wasn’t actually gay, and that the original prognosis of “Bi” was still the accurate one. Fast forward about 6 years, and here I am.

Jesus Christ dude just suck a dick and get over yourself worked for me.

>>82730428

The problem with Scott Lobdell is that the dude only knows how to writer 90's X-Men story-lines. So the longer he stays in a book the more convoluted things get.

Take his Superman run. The guy managed to create a story extremely convoluted where you had 5 different time-lines going on at once and a fucking time-loop used as a plot device.

>>82729721
Jason never show any interest in males tho. If anything, he seems to dislike them actually.

>>82730410
I love Jason, but I hate how Lobdell writes him.
Arkham Knight Genesis was great and it's a real shame it's not Jason's canon origin story.
But even his appearances in B&R Eternal were better than how he's written in his own book, and B&R Eternal was shit.

>>82730428
Doomed was kind of ok? But it still has that problem with the redundant narrative boxes. That's a writing style issue and not something that would change with characters or themes.

>>82730195

Conner was on that first image!

>>82730410
I'm fine with Jason as a character, I just hate Lobdell. With corporate comics, the quality of the writer matters a hell of a lot more than the quality of the character itself.

>>82730533
But he was a child prostitute, after all.

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>>82730691
Do we have to count things introduced by Tony Daniels? I prefer to pretend he's never written anything.

>>82730128
>How come DC's writers always buckle before backlash but Marvel profits?
I too want to understand

>>82730195
>Tim is being written by openly bisexual James Tynion IV with rebirth
DC will literally never allow a Robin to be gay or bisexual.
Even Damian, who is 10, has shown interest in women, and if Batman's biological son can't be gay or bi, then the ones who aren't related to him can't be.

>>82730866
>looks like someone was taking a bath
>a bloodbath
>YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>82730866
I thought Winick was the one who introduced it

>>82730971
>/co/
>reading comics

Come on now

>>82730971

It was Winick, yes.

>>82730971
Only place I remember them hinting at it was in Battle for the Cowl with Bruce's message, Winick might have created it actually, he did start to get creepily attached to Jason at one point.

>>82731069

It was in his Green Arrow run. Jason said to Mia that he understood her because he too had done shameful things to survive in the streets.

>>82731123
i thought he just meant wearing the original Robin costume

>>82731069
>that time Winick had Jason in prison and Jason made a joke about liking being fingered

Okay Judd, calm down now.

>>82730866
>https://www.myinstants.com/instant/yeah/

>>82730533
>Jason never show any interest in males tho
Now that I think about it, you actually right.

The only guys Jason seems to like and tolerate are Roy and Tim.

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>>82731193
He's pretty tsundere for Bruce and Dick though

>>82731193
And with Bruce he's NOTICE ME BAT-SENPAI.

>>82731193
And it took years of being tsundere to come to like Tim.

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>>82731123
Don't think I read that one, I take back what I said about Daniels then. Anyway I'm pretty sure Winick was in love with Jason by the time DC took him away from him.

>>82729553
>H'Ell was going to be Nu52 Bizarro before the editor stood up and stopped him.
Huh, that explains a lot then

>>82731552
If only the Young Justice editorial was as good as the Superman editorial.

>>82731591
Berganza isn't editorial for both Superman and YJ?

>>82731591
I still laugh at how that line shrunk to just Teen Titans after like two years or so and just about everything had horrible reviews

>>82711791
I'm predicting a ton of pornography to come out of Super Sons.

>>82731657
Was Berganza a group editor in early new 52? Superbooks had Idelson.

>>82731657
>>82732743
He was executive editor until he got demoted in 2012

>>82732823
If we're lucky he'll get demoted elsewhere after that CONTROVERSY.

>>82731209
>Dick
Jason seems to genuinely dislike him.
>>82731683
Do comic reviews actually matter? I hardly see anyone care about them.

>>82721977
>Reboot
>but it's gotta be exactly like Perez or you're shitting on it
autist

>>82718236
>continuityfags still don't buy books or value anything about the comic book medium other than MUH CHARACTER
>complain anyways

thanks faggot

>>82726381
>big corporation characters
>entering the PD
fucking lol