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Talkback thread >>82642773

Hack writing edition
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Who are Zoom's Friends?
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How tall is the actor who plays Jay. He looks like a freakin' giant.
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Oh please, this episode's actually been pretty good.

>all those fucking meta villains
>all that cannon fodder that's just there for cheap namedrops
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ARMY OF METAS
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>>82646431
E2 baddies
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>the humans
>this planet
When the fuck did he turn into an alien?
SOMEONE BETTER OF SCREEN'D THAT
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Who was that chick with the gigantic tits that was chanting with the rest of the villains?
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>WHOSE WORLD IS THIS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_srvHOu75vM
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>>82646431
C-list metas apparently
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I completely forgot about Caitlyn. Oops
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>>82646459
hes from another universe retard
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Wait, Zoom can open Breaches?
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>>82646459
He's a META human, so something like the Homo Superior shit they do with X-Men
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>>82646448
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>>82646448
wrong thread fuck
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>the humans think this is world is theirs
>he's not leading a pack of gorillas alongside Grodd

DROPPED
R
O
P
P
E
D
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>>82646492
Yeah but say this Earth then nigga
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>>82646443
google says he's a 6'4" manlet
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Absolutely awful episode. Thank god next season is the last
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>>82646448
I like a big butt but that's freaking dumb
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>>82646443
6'3"
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>Laurel is going to get better closure on Flash than on Arrow
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>>82646490
I wonder if she's going to stay with Zoom, probably to get inside info.
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>Next episode
>Zoom returns to Barry's lab to find Caitlin gone
>Removes his mask and puts his head down
>Looks back up and sees Barry standing on the roof of the opposite building before running down the side
>POTTERY
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>>82646536
This was an incredible episode, what the fuck are you on about?
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>>82646536
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>>82646443
6'3 says google
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This episode was like coming out of a bad dream. The entire Zoom plot has been schwarbage up until this point. Every character was acting like an idiot. We're only now getting back to what makes The Flash great.
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Was that Red Hood off to the side?
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>>82646372
>barry talking about moms
>iris comes onto him

Iris is a fucking weirdo
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UPCOMING EPISODE

22. Invincible (May 17, 2016)
>ZOOM MAKES HIS MOVE - Zoom unleashes an army of Earth-2 meta-humans on Central City. Barry is shaken when he sees their leader is Black Canary’s Earth-2 doppelganger, the Black Siren (Katie Cassidy). Meanwhile, Wally takes to the streets to help the Flash stop the meta-humans, which worries Joe. Iris and Henry are concerned about Barry taking on Zoom.

23. The Race of His Life (May 24, 2016) - SEASON FINALE
>FLASH VS. ZOOM - After Zoom reveals his true plan, Barry vows to do whatever it takes to stop him. The two speed into their final battle with the fate of both worlds hanging on the balance.
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>>82646476

>Next episode preview shows an actual Canary Cry

Use it once, and it's done better than Arrow had for 2 seasons. Fuck.
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So Wally and Jesse are gonna help save the day but Henry will die in the process
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Next episode on the Flash:The Fire Rises
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>>82646576
They both have mommy issues.
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>>82646470
Good taste
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>>82646534
Perfect for Supernatural then.
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>>82646557
LET IT HAPPEN
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>>82646582
>Zoom reveals his true plan
Won't his plan interfere with Darhk's nuke idea?
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are we getting killer frost?
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>>82646559
But Kevin Smith directed it, and it was dumb retarded fucking filler shit!
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>>82646600
this looks ridiculous
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>>82646527
yfw Gorilla Grodd appears during the last episode and eats Zoom's brain.
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>>82646625
we multiverse now. fuck if earth 1 ruins zooms plan for all earths
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>>82646630
Kevin Smith isn't a bad director, when there are other people also in control of the show to make sure he doesn't fuck up, he can do a good job.
It wasn't filler, it was character development that made sense.
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>>82646629
She ded if you mean E2
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>>82646536
Probably the best episode of the season if not the series. Sorry there wasn't enough HYPE moments or references.
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>>82646630
This episode had the most plot-relevant development since they went to Earth-2. If you're looking for filler then watch the episode with Wells vs Old Kid.
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>>82646582
>Wally takes to the streets to help the Flash stop the meta-humans, which worries Joe
>which worries Joe
Wally could literally go to buy a pizza and it would worry Joe at this point.
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Did I spot Libre/Hourman in there?
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>>82646582
>22. Invincible
Confirmed?
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post >yfw 2 weeks break
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>>82646629
Well, Caitlin was looking at a bunch of chemicals so maybe
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>>82646625
>Zoom didn't stop by Star City and tear Felicitys head from her shoulders on his way to the bathroom

SHIT SHOW SHIT NETWORK
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>>82646625
No one working on Flash gives a shit about what's going on in Arrow anymore.
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>>82646511

which thread would that be?
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>>82646677
They said Caitlin of E1 can still be KF. E2 Caitlin had a delayed reaction who says E2 cant either.
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>>82646677

They've hinted pretty heavily that her KF powers are separate than simply being a meta.
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>>82646372
Magnet?
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>>82646582
I wonder if we're going to find out what Robert Queen is doing on Earth 2. Either way, Laurel will be better on Flash than she was dead on Arrow
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So who has a cap of all those metas?
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>>82646720
No one in the world gives a shit about what's going on in Arrow anymore.
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>>82646705
And I was told no more breaks this season
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>>82646750
He's in jail.
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>>82646724
there is no thread but i can make one
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Ok episode.
>>82646756
I do.
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>>82646762
There isnt
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>>82646372
>) literal rehash of arrow season finale.
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>>82646625
>Darhk
>Arrow
Ha.
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>>82646782
>That mask
JUST
U
S
T
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>>82646778
Fuck off Felicity you ruined everything
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>>82646625

don't worry, felicity will save the day and provide a solution to kill zom in the same day
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>>82646782
if you truly read comics (at all), youd know its not ABNORMAL for heroes cities to get wrecked by villans with muh evil scheme
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>>82646716
He loves doing evil shit.
Leaving Felicity alive is the evilest thing he could do.
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>>82646756

>That NotMadameXanadu in the last episode

How come the magic-themed season has had practically jackshit Magic DC characters.

The rest of the episode was okay though.

>>82646750

>Berlanti wasn't happy with killing Laurel off
>Just brought her over to Flash for a recurring role as Black Siren.

I guarantee you based on the preview alone Black Siren has a change of heart and helps Barry.
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One of the metas is wearing Trickster II's outfit.
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>>82646582
>The hero fights off a horde of mooks sent out by the villain while his soon-to-be sidekick helps on the sidelines

Shades of Arrow Season 2.
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>>82646742
This
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>>82646825
SHES the KEY
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>>82646823
?
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>>82646825
>Felicity calls Rays atom suit back to the present with a device she installed the night she wore it
>Giants up and catches the nuke, throws it into space
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>>82646875
Season 2 was great though
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Did Wally and Jesse get speed?
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>>82646854
The only DC comic character left on Arrow is Olivier. How fucking sad is that. Its like DC told them no to using anymore characters after they tried to make Felicity Oracle
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>>82646843
Top fucking kek
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>>82646875
Be very thankful they aren't copying Arrow season 3 or 4
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>>82646932
Probably, though they won't show it until next season.
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Wowee that was actually really good. Why the hate, /co/?
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>>82646937
Nigga all of those characters are DC comic characters you retard
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>>82646937

>Dahrk
>Malcom
>Nyssa
>Starling

>Not DC characters

Arrow is shit but DC character are there.
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>>82646782
Is that supposed to be Rose?
What the fuck is happening in Arrow?

>>82646781
Ok good, I was fooled for moment
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>>82646937
And gay Mr Terrific

>>82646836
This /co/, they all read from Wikis
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>>82646979
It's a conspiracy against DC
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>>82646979
/co/ is on the hate train now. There will never be another pure hype episode like season 1 and early season 2 ever again.

Soon, the hate will consume this threads, the flaws will be magnified and the qualities scrapped aside, and in the end, it'll become hate circlejerks like "Arrow".
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>>82647027
That was from S2 of Arrow
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>>82646875
>>The hero fights off a horde of mooks sent out by the villain while his soon-to-be sidekick helps on the sidelines
This is just a capeshit trope, Arrow wasn't the first to do it.
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>>82646979

Because /co/ only likes when things are in full on happening mode even if it's shit.

It's why they love Gotham and Agents of SHIT. It's like a dangling shiny coin. A slow episode built around character development isn't something /co/ typically likes.
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>>82646854
Not even Berlanti was strong enough to stop Guggenheim. That fuck is like the Bendis of DCTV.

>>82646937
>Thea
>Diggle (Lemire and soon to be Percy)
>Damien Darhk
>Malcolm Merlyn
>Nyssa
>Felicity (Firestorm but barely alike, then that extremely shitty Arrow run)
Come on, man. I don't like Arrow either, but stretching it isn't worth it.
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>>82647058
Abandon thread I guess
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>>82647027
It's Isabel Rochev, Robert Queen's former mistress who later became Slade Wilson's apprentice and briefly became Ravager.

Nyssa killed her.
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>>82647053
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>>82647118
I was being facetious anon
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>>82647037
Hes Mr.Terrific thats felicity's gay friend who lets ger steal his ideas and inventions.
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>>82647053
>>82647058
>>82647088

Jesus Fuck. Like this episode had great pacing, great music, fairly on-point writing and even hit some feels at the end and had a pretty strong climax with him coming back. I thought it was a pretty great package.
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>>82647099
What did Guggenheim do I don't really know who it is.
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>>82647065
>implying I watched any of the Arrow except for the crossover episode

>>82647109
So they had a ravager that wasn't even Rose?
What a load of shit
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>>82646372
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC49U33ad6o
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>>82646979
It was Ok
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>>82647088
>A slow episode built around character development isn't something /co/ typically likes.
People enjoyed the Matches Malone episode of Gotham though. I don't know why there's so much hate for this.
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>>82647099
Thea is from the comics?
Diggle is an OC dude hes not comic original
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This episode was great, aside from Iris being a complete cunt.
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>>82647088
>If I shit on other shows it makes this one better!
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>>82647169
How many speed dickings do you guys think Zoom gave Siren before he was affected with oneitis for Caitlin?
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>>82647099

Thea isn't technically a DC character but at the same time she's a reworked Mia.

And Felicity is more like her comic book counterpart now than she was at the start.

She's a bitch and a CEO now after all.

Also they just introduced Starling as the new Black Canary.

Also Lyla is a comic character too.
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>>82647188
There isn't I don't see that much hate
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>>82647161

The dialog was a cut above the norm, except some of the characters spoke in the third person like they were reading someone's description of how they were feeling.

But all-in-all a welcomed, cerebral episode of the show.
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>>82647164
Why wouldn't you? its a great show
>>82647193
All those characters appear in the comics
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Where are the webms?
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>>82647163
Ran Arrow into the ground.
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Anyone have a magnet yet??
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>>82647221
It was primarily in the last thread, probably just shitposters.
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>>82647227
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/John_Diggle_(Prime_Earth)
>John Diggle was created for the television series Arrow, first appearing in the pilot episode. His first appearance in the DC Universe was in Jeff Lemire and Andrea Sorrentino's Green Arrow (Volume 5) #24.
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WHO THE FUCK IS THE MASKETTA MAN
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link when
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>>82647223
I like Kevin Smith Dialogue. Usually it feels real and down to earth as opposed to just reading lines but I saw that third person shit too. Did Smith have any say in the dialogue do you think?
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>>82647227
When was Thea in the comics. And only after being in the show for some of them.
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>>82647273
He must've had an excavator because he took it subterranean then
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>>82647294
The viewers
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>>82647294
>Garrick, that's my mothers maiden name
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>>82647220
Starling is in jail now, isn't she? There's no way Ollie took her in as part of the team. But then again, Ollie hasn't been making sense for a while. The showrunners have really ruined the show.
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>>82647227
>anything involving Oliver Queen
>good
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>>82647290
Next he'll tell you that because he appeared in comics, he's technically a comic character
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>>82647294

He's Jay.

>"You wouldn't believe me if I told you"
>Cisco vibed the Flash/Zoom fight after the reveal
>Berlanti promised he wasn't making Jay a badguy after the outcry and said no reinvention
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>>82647161
The stream fucked it up for everyone who doesn't have cable or access to cable
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>>82646649
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>>82647277
1080
Waiting..
720

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360

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>>82647359
>Cisco vibed the Flash/Zoom fight after the reveal
When was that?
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>>82647323
Last half of Season 1 and all of Season 2 were good. Then it went to shit when they killed off Sara and started pushing Felicity. Believe it or not, there are /co/mrades who used to watch and love the show instead of just shitposting about it.
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>>82647279
or maybe the episode was shit?

>>82647290
>>82647308
>>82647347
They were in comics published by DC so their comic characters
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>>82647294
>Barry unmasks him
>It's a smirking Wells who is actually Eobard Thawne
>It was ME Barry!
>suddenly frees himself and runs from the room
>cut to black
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>>82647294
the real jay garrick
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>>82647386
The speedforce blesses you
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>>82647333

No. Starling ran off before the police raided the dance and that was the last we saw of her.

I'd be willing to bet Ollie will take her under his wing to teach her a better way at some point.
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>>82647305
>I saw that third person shit too. Did Smith have any say in the dialogue do you think?

I'm sure he inspired Jason Mewes' scene, but he might not have had any other say in the script.
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>>82647227
>its a great show
You're either a liar or an advertiser

>>82647393
I know dumbass I used to be one I stopped bothering halfway through last season
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>>82647334
Oliver Queen is based af. Barry is a cuck but you still manage to watch him
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>>82647394
(you)
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>Barry strapped to lightning/particle machine
>dissolves into the Speed Force, leaving his suit behind in tatters

>Barry catches the shadow he's been chasing
>shadow is sudden Barry (suited up)
>suddenly suited shadow-Barry is the only Barry

>returns to real world, still wearing his suit
>old tattered suit is still on the desk

Guys, the suit Barry is wearing now is literally made out of Speed Force!
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>>82647390

At the start of the Time Wraith episode. He picks up Jay's helmet and he vibes the fight.

I had missed the first few minutes of that episode until I rewatched it on Saturday and I pretty much never see it come up here despite the fact that it's a huge clue that Zoom is lying about everything.
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>>82647394
Well I cant compete with that logic
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>>82647394
When the fuck was Thea in the comics? Oh she wasn't? So she's an OC stuck to die with the show when it ends.
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>>82647441
Nah, he's a hypocrite and a piece of shit
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Fuck willtv
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>>82647419
That pisses me off so fucking much
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>>82647437
It is a great show
>>82647443
?
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>>82647386
>those seeds
it's funny, because I know the only reason so many are australian is because our netflix is fucking six months behind on most shows
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>>82646875
> all these sidekicks
At least we'll soon get a proper teen titans tv show?
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>>82647461
I guess he thinks Thea filling in for Mia Dearden actually makes them one and the same.
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>>82647458
This isn't that fight.
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>>82647500
>It is a great show
It WAS a great show for an entire season and now it's fucking garbage fuck off
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>>82647495

I just hope it inspires someone to pick Starling back up and set her back on path.

It pisses me off so much that she became the casualty of a creative team switch. I honestly really liked her.
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>>82647500
Emily Rickards please go
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>>82647500
>?
:^)
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>>82647543
So was flash but you still watch it
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Wait, so the next episode description implies that Barry already knows that Laurel died, but when exactly did he go to Oliver at her grave? He had super speed then, but Barry lost his speed for quite a while when all of that was happening. When exactly did he go?
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webm of earth 2 metas when?
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>>82647548
Remember Sin guys?
Anyone?
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>>82647169
Neat, saw the Hawks in there
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>>82647520
Not with the DCEU happening.
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>>82647588
either before or after he lost his speed
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>>82647588
He knows through Felicity who of course was the real victim and naturally he had to console her. Who is Oliver is that one of Felicity's friends?
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>>82647548
>Actually liking Starling
For what purpose? She's the kind of generic sexually ambiguous aloof badass that's being permeating comics recently.
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>>82647653
At this point,a Titans show on the CW will wind up being better than a Titans movie.
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>>82647588
Wasn't he in the episode that had Laurel's funeral? He was standing there while Ollie was kneeling at her grave.
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>>82647452
Last time that happened Barry became the Black Flash.
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>>82647653
>>82647728
There was almost a Titans show on TNT, but TNT didn't want to do it.

CW could very well decide to do it, seeing as how all their capeshit is successful
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>>82647653
Snyderverse, raping fucking everything it sees
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>>82648023
Not to mention that the cw is a moody teen/young adult channel
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>>82647543
Arrow was never a great show.
It was always a mediocre time-killer at best, complete garbage at worst.
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>>82646932
Seemed like Jesse did for sure. Wally is still in the air.
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>>82646372

It just now occurred to me that they dropped the ball by not doing a callback to Barry's death in Crisis.

I guess they're just saving that for something bigger.
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>>82648321
I think wally will get his powers. He's gonna participate in the finale.
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>>82648321
He has it, he's just having a delayed reaction like Barry originally did. Now watch it come up next episode.
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>>82648454
I don't want it, look at Arrow when they had Roy and Thea and shit it just muddled shit with everyone being Arrow Jr. I would prefer if it was just Barry as the speedster and his associates doing the tech work.
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>>82648510
Fuck that. FlashFamily is the best part of the Flash mythos.

Arrow fucked it up by not giving Roy a dedicated arc after becoming Arsenal. Thea was the only half-decent part of S3/4
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>>82646372
Are you there Speed Force? It's me Barry.
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>>82646630
It...wasn't filler at all on Barry's end though.
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Has to be the worse episode ever. I'm usually cool with fillers and shit, but Christ it was awful. Holy shit.
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>>82648441
Man, more speedsters need goggles.
Or at least one of them does.

Also what the fuck, why did Wally just dissappeared into his room after Joe told him to. I thought we might at least get one tease
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>>82647625
>that torso
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>>82647058
Are you suggesting that Arrow doesn't deserve every ounce of the shit it gets right now?
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>>82648559
They never did anything with Roy

Ever

Pissed me off
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>>82648751
Now, yes.
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>>82648785
they didnt even bother to renew their contract with the actor
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>>82648817
Haynes chose to leave.
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>>82646979
Nobody hates this episode. This was objectively good.

We hate the rest of the season. One episode can't save it.
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>>82648848
maybe he saw the way it was going
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>Speedforce is an STD, and Barry is the AIDs monkey
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So the suit is literally speedforce now?
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>>82647441
Barry isn't a cuck at all though. Pretty much every girl he meets wants his dick at some point. Even Iris.

Felicity, Linda, Caitlyn, Patty, etc

Pretty sure in one S1 episode one of Iris' friends or coworkers or some shit was trying to convince her Barry is cute too
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>>82649030

Yep. Finally got his suit made of gofast.
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>>82648909
http://screencrush.com/arrow-season-5-colton-haynes-roy/
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>>82649030
>>82649185
Am I the only one who's kinda bummed they skipped the ring-suit and went straight for gofast? Especially since they built it up with Reverse Flash and Cisco.
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>>82648817
>>82648909

Colton Haynes said he left because of mental health problems he was trying to deal with.
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>>82649409
is that code for drugs
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>>82649371

Cisco's probably working on it as a side project. Wants to spring it on Barry as a surprise.
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>>82649409
has he tried hard drugs?
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>>82647169

>Canary cry has VFX on flash
>is literally nothing in Arrow

TIP TOP
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>>82649371
>But why did you choose to give me these powers?
>Because you are the Flash

We causality loop now.
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>A Speedforce Carol

Shitty filler episode yet again
>>
kevin freaking smith
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>>82649371
>>82649454
And a thing I was wondering.. What about the Tachyon enhancement? Is it still available to him? Does he even need it? If he doesn't, whyyyyyyy go through such lengths to get it in the first place?
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>>82646494
they never closed the breach at the hospital
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>>82649452
>>82649465
Nah, he was just depressed because he was in the closet. He's out now, though.
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>>82649409
he left because he thought he would be in movies after that cameo in The Rock earthquake destruction porno
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>>82649612
what
he needed it the first time, but not after using it
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So... who are they?
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>get behind me
>no you get behind me
PLEASE PLEASE STOP THIS FEMINIST BULLSHIT!! YOU'RE RUINING THE SHOW!!!
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>>82649740
Uhm, yeah.. Otherwise, why would they integrate the device into his suit?
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>>82649786
Is that fucking Red Hood all by himself? (the guy with the white clothes)
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>>82649786
far right in first pic is Dr. Zoidberg
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>>82649788
>literally one line in the show

Get over yourself.

At least it's not Supergirl.
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Do people in this thread even know what filler actually is?

Or character development for that matter?
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>>82649786
>Female(?) Trickster
nice
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>>82649853
>cisco scared of the dark and girl powa isn't
the brainwashing is real
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>that 'run, Barry, run' after all that 'sit, Barry, sit'
fantastic A-plot and a shitty B-plot made worse because Barry has to come off his fantastic A-plot to fix the shitty B-plot
the emotion just did not transfer
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>>82649925

k
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So E2 Laurel is going to come by next episode right? Is she the evil version as well?
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>>82649786
Yellow hood makes me think of Libra.

Bane in the bottom right picture
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>>82649786
Is that Namor on the lower right
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>>82649786
Guy in all black on the bottom left screen is Jason Mewes in a second cameo.
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>>82649786
IS THAT FUCKING BLACK KNIGHT
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>>82649979
She's evil but most people are expecting a face-turn.
Gotta set up that JSA cast
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turns out I missed last week's episode without realizing. Did I miss anything not covered in the "LAST TIME..."?
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>>82649786
my first thought for the green dude was Atomic Skull but I don't think he can fly
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>>82649984
>>82650013

are these bait
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>>82649906
That's because women love big black dark and nerds are intimidated by it. Or at least pretend to be, it's obvious they want to suck on the dark.
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>>82649786
I'm gonna guess the guy in the green flames is E2 Fuego, perhaps a latino dude instead a latina bombshell
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>>82650083
Zoom kills all the nameless cops in the CCPD as a show of force and Barry spends the whole episode debating whether he should let Wells try to create a mini particle accelerator explosion to get his powers back
so really only that second part mattered which was the last 5 minutes of the episode
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>>82648441
>you actuality think wally will look like that
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>>82649786
one of those better be Etrigan
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>>82649878
>A bunch of angsty teens who parrot all the memes they hear in this awful place

Nah, I bet 90% of the people shitting on Arrow doesn't even watch the show either, and just repeat the same lines over and over again.
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>>82650203
cool, kinda glad I missed it then.
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>>82650232
Rebirth Wally is going to wear the yellow.
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>>82650253
>arrow internet defense force knows that the arrow threads are so dead he has to come her to shill it

fuck off
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>no E2 constantine
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>>82650202
apparently Fire has been namedropped on The Flash as one of the people killed/missing in the explosion
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>>82650342
constantine isn't a meta
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>>82650342
Anon, E2 Constantine is a well adjusted man with a loving family, with little to no ties to magic at all. Let him have his peace
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>>82646431
Need screenshot to name names.
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>>82650460
Victim of 3 separate pyramid schemes and unable to resist a good shell game (has never won)
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>>82650342
>it's literally just like earth 1 constantine
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Is flash not shit again?
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>>82649786
>that fucker with the pink hair off to the side
who the fuck is that beta master?
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>>82650307
>The best way to show this is not a place full of kids repeating the same shit is repeating the same shit again

Never change, /co/
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>>82650703
The Jokester
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>>82650389
In which earth, smart ass?
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>>82650689
Eh.

The episode is good, but it absolutely doesn't solve the other issues this season has had. It's just a nice little pause, building up hype with the speedforce and setting up Jesse Quick. Plot-wise, it was nothing too special, but it's a reminder of how good a show like The Flash can be when it's not trying to create drama for zero reason (e.g. the dads don't spend the episode brooding but instead get their shit together pretty quickly; fun banter between Cisco and Iris instead of any kind of weirdness; etc.).

It felt more like the fun, comic-booky Flash in the majority of Season 1, rather than the "child of Arrow" that it became during this season.

As far as we can tell, the two(?) remaining episodes are still going to be trash.
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reminder that Barry's suit is now made from/by speed force.
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>>82650504
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>>82650761
E1, the episode with Blackout
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>>82650761
>If Earth one has a possible female fire, why would her earth two counterpart be a different gender?
Is the point I think he's trying to make. None of the couterparts I can think of have been genderbent to far
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>>82650342
>>82650504
>>82650959
Stop trying to make Constantine a meme.
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So do the special effects drain their wallet so much that EVERYTHING has to happen at that crappy coffee place?

Somethings it feels like I'm watching a episode of friends designed to appeal to the abercrombie and fitch crowd
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>Barry you're not ready to get your powers back
>no boss battle yet
>you have to remember first
>remember why you came this far
>ok, now you are ready

GOOD EPISODE
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>>82651076
You what?
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>>82651076
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>>82650232

He will wear a modified version of Barry's red suit
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>>82650283
So? DC doesn't care about synergy THAT much. They already got rid of that shitty homage to the CW suit Barry was wearing.
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>>82651104
Flash ring WHEN
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>>82651700
Pls. I need Barry to henshin
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>>82646685
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>>82646582
Barry vows to do whatever it takes to stop him
Breaking his neck?
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>>82650924
Reminder it doesn't matter in the slightest and will never be addressed.

Also if Barry was going to get the ring, this would have been the time.
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>>82649786
Icicle.
i don't know about the other fuckers, but one of them looks like green lantern (alan scott), and the other like shazam. LIKE being the key word
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>>82652102
Probably punch him so hard in the cunt, he opens up some space-time shenanigans.
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>>82652102
No he forces jay to fuck Caitlyn, which is the worst way o go
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>>82652164
I think the costume designer was just told to go have fun.
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>>82648559
>FlashFamily is the best part of the Flash mythos.

DC doesn't believe in the Flash Family. Ethan van Sciver convinced them to kill it to match his own worthless preferences.
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God, why the hell didn't Barry just kiss Iris? This stupid will they won't they shit is annoying. Keep that shit on General Hospital.
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Requesting Webms from this episode. I remember the guy responsible for the earlier Webms have stopped. Is that why there are none?
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>>82649409
He was pulling a Michael O'Hare?
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>>82649839

That's a chick with a pink wig.
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>>82648441
No fucking way they're going to put Wally in the yellow suit. Its too similar to Reverse Flash, casuals will bitch.
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When exactly did Earth 2 turn from Golden age to earth 3?
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>>82652406

when everyone there was a meany
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>>82652344
Yeah. The guy said that he got dissspointed with the season so he decided to focus on some other stuff
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>>82652406
when Zoom systematically killed all the good guys, leaving only villains
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>>82649649
>he was in the closet
Wasn't he out while on the show?
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>>82652547
I don't think it was explicit.
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>>82652156
>>82651700
Cisco and Barry saw Eobard use it right? They'll figure it out eventually
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>>82649786
looks like a design your own supervillain costume party
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What was the consensus on this episode? I only just watched it and thought it was a lot better than the past few episodes except for the Barry/Iris romance feeling cheesy and zombie Girder being a kind of dumb plot point, but I don't know if that's because it was actually that much better or if talkback threads with /co/ really influence my opinion that much.
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>>82646372
Felt like the episode and especially "Barry in Speedforce" part was little on the cheesy side, but on the other hand, I'm watching fucking soap opera based on children's comics, so I should be able to handle little cheese every now and then.
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>>82652370
What if the only suit STAR Labs have on hand when Wally gets his powers is one of Wellsobard's old suit?
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every mom scene Gustin gets makes me sad
>Time travel closing the door and hearing her die scene
>Earth 2 phone call scene
now this
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>>82653065
At least he finally got closure.
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>>82653060
They seriously better do this and then modify it to be his own suit for S3. Also S3 better just have some more speedster sidekicks and fucking rogues as the overarching villains, I feel like the writers might be trying to be too ambitious with a grand scale.
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I can't wait for an under-budgeted, underwhelming finale that will leave a ton of questions.

And when the dust has finally settled, I get to laugh at every faggot who had hope.
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>>82647305
Smith didn't write it, and TV directors don't polish the scripts. His contributions to dialogue would have been minor on-set suggestions.
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>>82649786
A bunch of Vancouver comicon rejects.
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>>82653118
At least Arrow won't make the big-bad his bitch with no effort again, r-right?
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>>82653122
Well he at least had to have done the part with Jason Mewes right?
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>>82649786
Is that white titty woman Nattie from WWE?
I'd pay to see more wrestling in my cape shows just because why the fuck not
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>>82652986
it feels like they've stopped stalling for time and are ready to conclude the Zoom story at a reasonable pace now
>>
Even with a good budget and huge resources, a lot of movies have trouble pacing a fight with a bunch of supers at once.

I honestly don't think a tv show can pull it off well. Not unless each fight lasts about a minute and people get jobbed off-screen.
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>>82649786

>these costumes

Truly, what a terrifying army.
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>>82653588
My favorite part is the random women who look like regular E2 people who either put on a hat or a coat.
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>>82649786
https://youtu.be/B8ELYGDCNZ0?t=7m33s
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>>82649786

It looks like a few cops could just shoot half of these people.
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>>82653793
Bruh just try and pick a fight with Old Man In A Hat and see how you fair you cocky bitch
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where was the double cross? Was waiting for it but didn't even pop up
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>>82653908
Season finale
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>>82649786

It's like they grabbed a bunch of people and told them to cosplay their OC in ten minutes, and all they can choose from is material in a thrift store.
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>>82654027
inb4 Caitlin
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>>82646566
>schwarbage
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>>82646566

I don't know what episode you were watching. The fact that it was less bad than the last two doesn't make it great.
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>I don't know how to explain it. It's...
>It's the speed force.
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>>82649786
Cosplayers
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>Cisco: iZombie's back
tfw that's the only DC property they can enjoy in the Flashverse and they're not missing much
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So, is Barry's mom the speedforce?
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>>82654529

No, the speedforce is a doppelganger.
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>>82654529
Either speed force had some connection to the afterlife or is a lying dick.

Also how did Barry "reject" the speed force if this episode was just about him accepting his mom's death?
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>>82654529
no, the speedforce is as much Barry's mother as the woman who physically birthed him
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>>82654529

>Speedforce gives birth to the Flash

>Barry's Mom gave birth to him

P O E T R Y
O
E
T
R
Y
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>>82647305
I noticed this episode had a lot of the:
Adjective Barry, Adjective
(Sit Barry, sit. , Run Barry, run. Stand Barry, stand. Go Barry, go. Come Barry, come.)

Then I found out this episode was directed by Kevin Smith.

Then I remembered Kevin Smith was orgasming about how much he loved the whole 'Run Barry, run." line.
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>>82655046
>See Barry
>See Barry run
>Run, Barry, run
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>>82654029

Zoom only allowed COSTUMED villains in, some of them had to think quick and just throw something together to get into the party.

He doesn't want to be associated with loser villains who can't even put in effort for even a BASIC costume.
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>>82655046
I bet that fat tub of shit was blubbering the whole time "directing."
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>>82654529
Yes. Just like Anakin's dad was the midichlorians.
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>>82655242
Anakin's dad was Plagueis
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With regards to the Jason Mewes scene, the direction felt poor.
Jason comes out shows off the car.
Monster comes by and starts wrecking it.
Jason yells, "That was my mom's car!"

There needed to be an intermediate scene in there, something where it showed the monster destroy his car and then him just saying something like, "no no no!!!"
THEN the 'moms car' line.
Stupid Kevin Smith.
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>>82649786
That chick with the beige sweater and leather jacket deserves the D of justice.
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>>82655673
there's no D in justice, just ice
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>>82647347
>>82647394
>>82647461
No use to argue with an idiot who points out comics that came after the show and wholly different characters like Mia being Thea. Showfags are retarded.

Might as well be arguing with someone who thinks Rock Lobster was a song created by family guy.
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>>82655720
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>>82646685
Yeah, what if he buys a wrong pizza?
>>
http://www.strawpoll.me/10182609
Important Best Dad poll
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Great fucking episode. Coincidentally, it actually made me Kevin Smith a bit.
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Standars have gone so low than people are praising this episode now, fucking wow.
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>>82655877
Black Dad is objectively the best
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>>82656018
>le Flash is bad meme

Yawn
>>
I like Iris and I think she's a good character.
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>>82655046
>>82655115
When I got a new faster solid state drive, I named it C: (Run, Barry, Run).
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>>82655969
Unwatch it, you don't want to Kevin Smith any bits.
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>>82649786
That serious Zoom speech then it pan to the non- threatening looking army ever
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>Sit, Barry, sit
>Meeting the physical manifestation of the source of your powers
Am I watching Samurai Flamenco right now?
>>
Just started the episode and there's a sad Joe, sad Henry and sad Wells.
I don't know if I can handle all this.
This going to be a good episode?
>>
Is no one else going to bring up all of Wells' reactions to the speedforce? He's consistently dropped cues that he's intimately familiar since he came in and it wasn't even sure that the speedforce would be an actual thing until this episode. Wells 2 is still keeping secrets.
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>>82655818
>Insert five minute "heart to heart talk" scene where Joe explains the importance of not putting pineapple on pizza here

>>82656337
If you're one of those people into "feels", you'll probably think it's spectacular.
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>>82655969
>it actually made me Kevin Smith a bit

Is Kevin Smith the new Jay?
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>>82656459
Fuck you black dad! If I wanna have pinenapple on my cheese pizza I'm gonna get mothereffing pineapple! Pineapple dindu nuthin wrong!
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Am i the only one who thought this episode was complete shit/ filler?
The only decent episode this season was when he went back in time to talk to Eobard Wells
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>>82649786
Green lantern
>>
Everything outside of Barry interacting with the Speedforce and his return was definitely filler. I like how they recycled a villain but also found a way to make him incredibly dumb so he wouldn't cause too much of a problem for real plot advancements.
>>
Fuck all this typical /co/ shitting on everything. This episode was based af and Barry got the speed force back and it felt good
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>>82656657
Literally everything that isn't S1E15 tier is SHIIIIIT
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>>82656428
Yeah, I'm surprised I didn't see a bunch of people bring up the Johnny Quick theories again.
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So who is Zoom?

Don't tell me it's Jay - you can clearly see Tony Todd under the mask. Zoom also ran out of the room in S2E19, but Jay entered in from a different direction with completely different clothing.

No it's not implausible for a speedster to do those things, but I don't believe in coincidences.
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>>82656703
I'm more inclined to believe it's thawne again but he lost his powers for good and the flash he was targetting was the real Jay Garrick who turns out to be Flashdad-2. It explains why he gives Henry these suspicious looks cause he's expecting him to be someone else.
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>>82656730
Zoom leaving. Caitlyn tells him that if he wants to talk to her he has to take off his mask.
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>>82656756
Jay entering.

A webm would be better, but I don't know how to make one.
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>>82656570
Character development isn't filler.
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>>82656763
>blue lightning almost spells out ZOOM
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>>82653122
>>82647305
I assumed the "Sit, Barry. Sit." was his idea.
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>>82656857

Was his idea to make Iris pretty good again?
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>>82656879
You could tell he knew how to get her to enjoy herself and open up.

I'm pretty sure most of their budget directors have no experience with helping their actors act - the cast usually seems lost except for Jesse L Martin, Tom Cavanaugh, and Carlos Valdes. They need to hire based Robbie Duncan McNeill.
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>>82652310
I thought that was weird too, this episode and last weeks he didn't say anything and they didn't kiss. My guess would be they are leaving room for some drama to drag it out longer like Eddie returning or some bullshit.
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>>82657426
I like kissing girls.
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>>82654647
>lso how did Barry "reject" the speed force if this episode was just about him accepting his mom's death?
By regretting not saving his mom which would mean giving up his powers I guess.
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>>82652310
Who cares? We know she's end game anyway. Doesn't matter.

J-Just like L-Laurel... Right, guys...?
>>
Was really hoping for a Reverse Flash vs Zoom episode

Ah well
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>>82656763
>>82656756
You're overanalysing it. It's a warehouse, he can come from wherever he wants to. He can probably go throught walls too.
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>>82657621
they're saving that for the final fight
>The Flash is MINE to kill
>>
The writer for this episode mentioned on Kevin Smith's podcast that the Speedforce's speech about being there throughout the history of the universe was taken from a Sandman issue, spoken by Death.
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>>82646431
Looks like New 52 Captain Cold is among them
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>>82652310
You don't think it would be weird to kiss his GF on top of his mother's grave?
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>>82658058
Kevin Smith said the season 3 villain is in this crowd. The one with the hood up and red eyes stands out the most
>>
Conceptually I find the episode pretty damn spot on.
Just a shame that Barry and Iris haven't really had better chemistry to sell the climax better. But aside from that just about everything was smooth sailing.
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>>82658058
the Legion of Zoom
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>>82646372
>Hack writing edition
This episode wasn't so bad.

Versus Zoom was so shit though that I haven't watched any eps since then live.
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>>82648865
>One episode can't save it.
Hey,Supernatural actually managed this so...
>>
>Barry gets back from the Speedforce
>doesn't seem much faster at all
Disappointing desu.
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>>82658090
Get hype for the Raincoat Killer.
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>>82658858
Well at least let him rest after just getting back. He wasn't back for even 5 minutes.
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>>82658058
holy shit that is him. It's obviously not Wentworth though,
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>>82658090
>>82658904
He's called "Cicada".
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>>82658090
Source?
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>>82654390
ain't gotta explain shit
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>>82646625
>Darhk triumphantly launches his warheads, Ollie and the team are helpless before his magic.
>Suddenly there's a flash of blue lighting
>Zoom catches all the missiles in mid air and shoves them up Dahrk's ass before he can blink
>Snaps Felicity's neck with a bemused expression before stopping at Coast City for pizza
>Arrow fans everywhere rejoice
>>
Man, Flash really needed to be a half season for this Zoom storyline. So much padding and non-integral stuff slotted in to fill up the gaps.

I sort of enjoyed this episode, but the fact that it didn't further the main storyline at all doesn't really help it out.
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>>82659306
I blame Legends for taking the Rogues. You need a good Rogues episode here and there to break things up, and they could have been properly uniting their team as a subplot.
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>>82647452
The Barrydust is still there too. He's 100% speedforce now.
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>>82649612

To get to Supergirls earth
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>>82647193
>Diggle is an OC dude hes not comic original
Just like Phil Coulson.

Never stopped Marvel.
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>>82659306
>I sort of enjoyed this episode, but the fact that it didn't further the main storyline at all doesn't really help it out.
It explored and shed more light on the speedforce. Developed Barry's character further and remembered what character relations of the show are important and developed them too.

That you're already very familiar with the speedforce thanks the source material doesn't really mean it doesn't have a place in the actual show. The fact that Barry's and Iris's relationship isn't actually as developed as it probably should be for an episode like this to really hit home doesn't really mean that the show should just ignore their relationship. Previous episodes ignoring their relationship is really why the relationship isn't as developed as it should be already.

And you had Wells be really devoted for his daughter while still standing up to work for and as part of the group.
You had Henry be really distraught in regards to his son yet didn't completely stop functioning as a human being, and instead got back his composure and focused on being as helpful as he could anyway.
And even in the midst of all they didn't just ignore Wally since his development is important. And did that cute scene with Joe and the coffee mug and stuff, and as brief as it may be Jessie getting the spark of the speedforce near the end.
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>>82656570
>filler

It's really weird how many people are calling this episode filler when it wasn't filler at all.
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>>82646782
>Season 1 finale
>Building crumble as a cataclysm caused by a villain who had similar abilities and costume as our hero, strikes the city. The episode ends with a cliffhanger.

>Season 2 finale
>The city is under siege by a superpowered army lead by a villain who was once the hero's friend. A long teased sidekick finally gets their own suit and fight alongside the hero.
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>>82656018
I wouldn't say the "standards" have gotten low. It's just that this season has been so garbage that an episode by a guest director and guest writer (both of whom are basing their work off the show's first season instead of its second) seems miles ahead of anything the usual writers could come up with.
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>>82660469
As least one of them needs to be running around with a giant bomb in the background
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>>82659962
It's less the speedforce stuff as it was the entire Girder thing. Literally zero connection to zoom and zero character development in that particular plotline.

Like if you snipped up the plots from variouse episodes you could probably have a solid 13-ep arc already done and then have a second smaller less world-threatening one for the back nine in which you further cultivate the character development and relationships.
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>>82660275
You can have filler that develops characters and relationships, without really advancing the main plot. It's less "filler" and more like "padding" I think.

In any case the main Zoom plot doesn't move forward any further than if Barry had simply gotten his speed back in the lightning burst at the end of last week. That's why people are complaining.

You'd still have to deal with Wally and Jessie this episode, but Girder iterally advanced nothing. No character progressions or plot progressions. That did annoy me.
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>We gave you a gift and you denied it
>BITCH WHAT I'M THE FUCKING FLASH
>Yeah, we're never going to explain what we just said
This episode's writing was...questionable.

Iris can't act.

The villain crowd at the end looked like a bunch of underpaid extras who were totally unable to summon any enthusiasm for the 20 bucks they were paid and it would've been better if they just hadn't shown them.
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>>82660674
So you guys are complaining about your stories being realistic?

I mean somedays really weird shit happens that doesn't actually advance my career or overall life story in any significant way but was still interesting as a self contained event or was a direct result of or lead into something else that happened that may have carried more weight

That's literally just how life works

To be honest if it were just nothing but the A plot of the season constantly advancing it would be significantly less interesting and not realistic.
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>>82660748
>We gave you a gift and you denied it

Fuck that annoyed me.

EXPLAIN YOURSELF.

I assume that the "gift" was a chance to see his mum and resolve his guilt and accept her death but honestly it wasn't super clear.
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>>82660829
The gift was his speed, and he gave it to Zoom.
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>>82660615
>Like if you snipped up the plots from variouse episodes you could probably have a solid 13-ep arc already done and then have a second smaller less world-threatening one for the back nine in which you further cultivate the character development and relationships.
I feel like this would be kind of awful, I'd much rather have the more character development episodes dispersed throughout the season than all in the back. That being said, the pacing for this season has been pretty bad since they introduced Earth 2 and Zoom. He had a serious presence at first, then they kinda just didn't do anything for a while, and now he's on Earth 1 and still hasn't really done much aside from last episode and the brief couple of minutes he got today.
>>82660748
>This episode's writing was...questionable.
Yeah, that was pretty dumb. Didn't seem to go anywhere.
>Iris can't act.
I think she's a decent actress. Nothing special, but it's the CW so I don't really expect great acting here. At least she had something to do this episode instead of being pretty much the useless generic love interest like she normally is.
>The villain crowd at the end looked like a bunch of underpaid extras who were totally unable to summon any enthusiasm for the 20 bucks they were paid and it would've been better if they just hadn't shown them.
I actually started laughing there, I agree it would have been better to just hear them chanting while the camera stays on Zoom. Also him referring to them as his friends in the pseudo-demonic voice felt awkward.
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>>82649452
If by "drugs" you mean "gobbling cock all day long", then yes.
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>>82660866
Barry protested exactly that and then they said it wasn't the speed that they were talking about. And barry was all what do you mean then oi???
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>>82656428
Jay Garrick is the E2 Henry, his lineage changed so his surname is Garrick instead of Allen.

Wells 2 also had a lineage change, but on a mother's side instead of a father's. His surname is the same but he has different blood in his veins. Thawne blood.

Wells will use his knowledge and experimentation on the speed force to perfect his machine and give himself an artificial connection to the speed force, becoming the Earth-2 Reverse Flash
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>>82660829
>>82660866
He says the thing about zoom and the speedforce says it wasnt about that, it's about him resenting the speedforce for giving him the ability to save his mother but saving her would create a paradox that would take his powers away.
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>>82660905
I don't mean shaft away all the character developent that has happened so far. I just mean you could have a secondary arc more focused on character deveopment rather than speedshenanigans. If we cut half the random enemies from this season and worked it all more tightly into the Zoom thing then it'd have been a better season.
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>>82660950
>saving her would create a paradox that would take his powers away.
I'm willing to accept this as true just because the writers have forced everyone in-universe to accept this, but it's total bullshit. We were shown several times that Barry still becomes the Flash if his mom doesn't die.
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>>82660989
a different Barry would become the Flash while this Barry would be reduced to a mere time splinter
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>>82660980
Oh okay, I see your point. Honestly I think 22/23 episodes is longer than a season of a show needs to be in the first place, I would be happy with 10 to 15 episodes as long as they deal with the main content of the season.
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>>82661044
That timeline of E1 would cease to exist, time would be repaired.
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>>82661078
Nigger fuck you. Shows used to go for 26 episodes a season.
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>>82660905
Watching Iris try to act is like watching a plank of wood.
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>>82660935
doing all this to stop his unruly speedster daughter jesse quick?
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>>82660905
Iris was almost certainly cast for her interactions with Eddie, which were totally genuine.

Unfortunately, they were totally genuine and not acting, and when she's forced to act she can't fucking do it.

She looks at Barry like he makes her slightly nauseous
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>>82647536
iirc Dearden is her middle name on the show
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I guess Patty's not coming back?
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>>82660989
>We were shown several times that Barry still becomes the Flash if his mom doesn't die.

Bullshit. When?
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>>82661956
Literally every time we saw the newspaper from Thawne's original timeline.
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>man in the iron mask is Hal Jordan
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>>82661989
Explain.
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>>82662287
In Thawne's original timeline Barry's mom didn't die but the Flash exists. The accelerator accident happened much later, Barry is married to Iris, etc. etc.

Then Thawne went back in time to kill Flash. It didn't work so he killed Flash's mother to spite him. Turns out that fucked up the timeline and made Barry not the Flash anymore, thereby severing Thawne's connection to the speed force and marooning him. He takes over Wells, causes the accelerator explosion, and trains Barry to be the Flash so he can re-establish his connection with the speed force.
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>>82662381
Are you certain Barry's mother was alive? Maybe someone else killed her in his timeline making her death fixed. Thawne's meddling with the past could have been what really changed Barry's future.

If you're right, this show just got a whole lot shittier.
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>>82662164
Why would Zoom say Barry wouldn't believe him if he told him who the man in the Iron Mask is? Barry doesn't even fucking know Hal at this point
>You wouldn't believe me even if I told you
>Tell me anyway
>Okay, it's Hal Jordan, the Green Lantern
>Who?
>TOLD YOU YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE ME
>No, I believe you, I just have no idea who that is.
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>>82662479
>Maybe someone else killed her in his timeline making her death fixed
If that were the case then saving her from Thawne wouldn't mean anything as that would still happen.

Thawne meddling in the past nearly destabilized the future and is the whole reason he lost his powers in the first place, throughout season 1 he kept checking Gideon's future newspaper to make sure the future (Barry as the Flash disappearing in Crisis) still happened so he would still exist and have a home he recognized to go back to.
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>>82663244
>If that were the case then saving her from Thawne wouldn't mean anything as that would still happen.

Maybe Thawne knew this, he intended to double cross Barry when they made their deal at the end of S1. He wanted to fuck Barry over by telling him he could save his mother or knowing that Barry would cause paradox. At the end of the day Thawne hates Barry, so he would get sent back home and still get to shit all over Barry.
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>>82655046
He's Kevin Owens now
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>>82646582
>The Race of His Life
>The two speed into their final battle with the fate of both worlds hanging on the balance
>Kevin Smith said that the finale is so crazy they don't even know how to follow it up

Guys, is it gonna happen? Are they going to play Ballad of Barry Allen?
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>>82646559
It was awful. It was a cheap try to make a relevant Flash episode. Like he missed the creation of the character and he thought he was just too good to write an episode that followed the plot, he wanted to make something big, he wanted the episode where Flash understands he is the Flash (despise the fact we had almost a dozen of those already). Le epic born again episode. Fuck you, hack.
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>>82654498
Hey, maybe in the CWverse Human Target didn't get executive meddled into shit in the second season and is still running?
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>>82657158
Man, you don't imagine anyone saying "this needs more Tom Paris" but there you go.
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>>82664011
Smith didn't write the episode, anon. Unless you're complaining about Zack Stentz.
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>>82658058
Probably Icicle, dude.
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>>82664011
He didn't write the episode. Writing and directing are two entirely different things.
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>>82646372

I like hearing Zoom and Zack Stentz (the writer of the episode/guy did Andromeda and First Class) talk about Flash. Kevin Smith is sucking their dicks hard but it's interesting to listen to.

http://www.smodcast.com/channel/fatmanonbatman?audio=126
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>>82665118

"Holy fuck what are they gonna do for season 3." - Teddy Sears

haha great stuff
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>>82660771

He rejected it in the sense that he was not able to accept his mother's death as being a crucial factor in him becoming the Flash, and his purpose as being too great to sacrifice it for just one person.

He readily gave Zoom his speed just to save Wally. Up until that point he was still trying to make up for not saving his mom.

This I believe is what the speed force meant, but it was insinuated as fuck.
>>
list of metas?
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>>82665764
Think you're quoting the wrong person
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>>82666193
Say no more.
http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue8/ou_metagame
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the speed force was mom the whole time it all makes so much sense now
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>>82666781
I'd bang the Speedforce.
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>>82666557
Remember, pokemon isn't about having the pokemons you like, its about having the best pokemon of them all
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kevin smith got to direct cuz he retracted his batman v superman comments
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so wait is wally gonna be a flash too now cuz barrys not gonna touch him cuz season 2 seems a little early to be laying to ground work for the second flash
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>>82667081
He finished the episode before he even made those comments. Dumbass.
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>>82646769
Please do.
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The only thing that can save this season is a Felicity cameo. You know it's true. She'll defeat Zoom and save everyone.
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>>82667590
She'll do it with hacking.
Zoom later acknowledges that he was beaten and would've gotten away with it if it wasn't for her.
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>>82652370
>No fucking way they're going to put Wally in the yellow suit. Its too similar to Reverse Flash
Barry's proto-suit was red spandex and a helmet.
Wally's will be red Flash pants, because Cisco will only have a short time to make a suit. He'll make pants, quip about how he needs more time, and throw Wally the RF top with Barry's Season 1 emblem.

Can someone Photoshop that outfit combo?
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I haven't watched Arrow since Ollie "died". Has it gotten that bad?
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>>82667794
yeah that was a good time to drop it
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>>82662381
>>82662479
>Barry's mother's death is a fixed point in time
If it's not RF, it's a mugger or a home invader.
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>>82667794
I saw it up to when felicity got driveby'd. It's gotten really fucking bad. I'm not someone that drops shit because I like to see it to the end which is why I stuck through to the end of season 3, thinking it would somehow all tie in and make sense in the end, but I really couldn't take it anymore. She's honestly taken over every facet of the show. And it really does feel great to be free of it, to not have any interest in what happens.
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>>82667727
Same anon, as you can see I suck at photoshop...
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>>82668199
i actually love that
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>>82668199
I like your idea. Seems like a really Cisco thing to do.
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>>82668295
>>82668578
Thanks - now if I could just get you anons to see the light about Ironmask being Hunter's dad, James Garrick...
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>>82668784
you wouldnt believe me if i told you
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>>82668825
Not sure how to take this. Were you just quipping at me or do you have your own idea/theory?
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>>82667794
Believe me, it's worse. Actually you pretty much picked the perfect spot to stop, it's literally all downhill from the Ra's fight, better to believe Ollie died on the mountain and everything after that never happened.
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>>82669067
Sort of both, it's what Zoom said when Barry asked about maskedman, which leads me to believe it wouldnt be Zoom's dad, because i think Barry would believe that
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>>82669156
There's a way for Hunter to drop the J-bomb without bringing up that it's his father...

>"You wouldn't believe me if I told you."
>"Try me"
>"...it's Jay Garrick"
>"What? ANOTHER Jay?"
>"Told you you wouldn't believe it..."


Or

>"You wouldn't believe me if I told you."
>"Try me"
>"...it's Jay Garrick"
>"What? You just told us YOU are Jay!"
>"Told you you wouldn't believe it..."
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>>82669254
Honestly it's going to be someone we haven't been introduced to, just so the writers can say "HAHA TOLD YOU!"
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>>82669254
>>82669283

they are trowing tons of false flags to keeps us wondering, just wait 2 more weeks for this shit to end
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>>82669283
>Honestly it's going to be someone we haven't been introduced to, just so the writers can say "HAHA TOLD YOU!"
But anon, Hunter's Dad is literally the only character we've ben introduced to that would know the military knock code! Why would they show us the military knock code and then show us Hunter's Dad was a soldier?
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>>82669547
The masked man is actually Jay Garrick from Earth-2, his backstory as a soldier is intact. What we think of as Earth-2 is actually Earth-3.
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>>82669611
>Everyone with super powers is evil
>Only man standing up to them is the Lex Luthor stand-in (Wells)
Makes sense.
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>>82669611
>Earth 3
Earth 3 is already established, and nobody Barry knows is on this Earth.
>>>/wsg/1048462
>>>/wsg/1048464
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>>82669763
No, just because it's the third Earth he visited doesn't make it Earth-3. Pre-COIE not even all the Earths had number designates.
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>>82669763
see
>>82669702
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>>82669702
>>82669852
But not everyone with Powers was evil for sure on Earth 2.

Dr. Light was a petty thief and even Jay/Hunter said she never hurt anyone before. Selfish, yes. Criminal, yes. Evil? Hardly.

And we still don't know if Atom Smasher was evil or just under the control of Zoom.
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>>82658090
Link? Did he say THE s03 villain or A s03 villain?
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>>82668825

I honestly can't imagine it being anyone that would be that shocking to Barry.
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>>82669825
>Wally isn't black until CW, now New 52 Wally is black
We're talking about a CW show.
$10 bucks says they name each Earth in the order Barry visits them, and each Earth canonically numbered accordingly in New 52.
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>>82647732
Yeah he was.
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>>82658058
Is that E2 Vixen with the fur scarf/vest on the left?
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>>82660469

Not particularly. It's not going to be that great, with that bunch.
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>>82660935
But anon, E2 Barry's Mom and Dad were going to Atlantis after Zoom had Ironmask held captive...
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>>82661285
Are you seriously gonna post that in every thread?
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>>82661104
Time doesn't work like that.
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>>82670189
To be fair we only heard his mom speak, so it's possible that barry has a different dad in earth 2?
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>>82670274
Fuck, I can't come up with a counter for this except genetics, and that can be explained away due to budgets.....
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>>82670371
Or divorce. Or E2 Barry's dad being infertile and his mom getting artificially inseminated by "Jay Garrick" Henry Allen, who like all true great heroes, gives sperm daily.
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How do you guys stand the over-the-top acting and writing? Don't you every get tired of "run Barry, run" over "believe in yourself?" I would stop watching but I already got this far.
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>>82670604
Well I've watched plenty of toku some I'm kinda immune to overacting and "believe yourself" speeches. Though I have to admit I haven't been enjoying this season at all. Which is sad, because Kamen Rider Ghost is ALSO pretty fucking lame, so that's two shows I'm watching to get closure but don't actually enjoy.
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>>82656459
But thats an important talk anyone should have with their son. People who put pineapple on pizza belong in camps
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>>82670371
I can't think of anything that wouldn't just come off as horribly contrived. Like, they could just as easily pull the whole "twins run in the Allen family" schtick from the comics (Barry Allen and Malcolm Thawne, Don and Dawn Allen). Jay Garrick is E2 Henry Allen's twin brother. Henry was raised by their father and took the last name Allen while Jay was raised by their mother and took the last name Garrick.
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>>82670371
>"You look just like my father!"
Reminder that Barry's Dad is irrelevant, Barry's Mom's genetics were mostly dominant genes so he will look the same so long as his mother is the genetic identical to the Nora Allen we know on Earth 1.
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>>82671334

What if Nora isn't his mother in another Earth? Uh? What now smartass?
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>>82660829
It's the speedforce anon, it aint gotta explain shit.
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>>82671425
Then Barry Allen doesn't look like he does, and/or isn't The Flash at all.
:^)
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>>82647383
THICK
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>>82659263

He's not the villain Star City deserves, but he's the one it needs.
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