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Homestuck 2.0: The Search for More Money

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Watch for more than thirty seconds without cringing and win a prize

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxHnKT_2u64
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>>82630714
Whats wrong with the guy on the right?

Who are these people.
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>>82630714
Stop making threads about homestuck
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>>82630759
It's a comic. I'm allowed to talk about a comic on the comic and cartoon board
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>shitty characters you followed:
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>>82630770
You're talking about a youtube talking about fanfiction, video games, fans, and "celeb" personalities
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>current state of affairs.
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>>82630714
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>>82630821
Homestuck has always been more about the fandom faggotry and less about the terrible comic.
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>>82630898
Speak for yourself, I started this thread because I want to talk about the future of the comic

It don't look so good
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>>82630911
The comic is over, move on
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>>82631095
>Homestuck 2.0
My friend, it's only just begun
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>>82631182
The webcomic as hosted on MSPA is ended. All we're getting from here on out is shoddy youtube clickbait and teen pandering. The mixture of hatred and apathy people had towards Paradox Space will be quaint and nostalgic in comparison to what's coming.
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>>82631198
>Hiveswap
>A secret project they teased in the video
I'm sorry sir, but the ride never ends
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>>82631202
Not comics or cartoons. They have nothing. They were already begging for ideas for a youtube channel. Move on
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>>82631209
>not comics or cartoons
The mystery project is highly likely to be a cartoon

>move on
Fucking make me, kek
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>>82631240
You know nothing about it. All you know is that the rest sure isn't /co/. Figure out something else in your life. Move on
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>>82631261
No
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what the shit happened to hussie
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>>82631362
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Serious question, when did Dave become a submissive bitch? And I mean before he decided to bend over and take it up the ass from Karkat in the post-retcon. Was it when he started crying in his room? I'm trying to pinpoint exactly when people think this happened.
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>>82631287
Gosh, Joey is so cute! I love her!
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god damn carne vale is so good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdPU0emEeUg
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>>82631439
No! Joey ruined Homestuck and stole two million dollars, I hate her! I hate Joey!
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>>82631381
I like to think that the end of bro's arc he'd changed too much. When he's in the nakpot being pap'd with onions it seemed okay, but after bro died it seemed a little strange. And then he did basically nothing up until act 6 where large timeskips allowed his submissive character to just appear as if from nowhere
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>>82631441
angel, go look at /vp/

also what homestuck related thing are you working on right now
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you all have nothing
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>>82631510
I see the only payoff to homestuck being caliborn smashing up his clock. It was the last thing in the story that I thought was cool. A big fucking shame about the rest.
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>>82631452
Joey is worth all that money, and more! She's the cutest girl ever!
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>>82631547
>diamonds droog tastful nudes
oh my
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so a literally who and a cripple announced... stuff?
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>>82631535
incredible
also why the delete mods?
these are homestuck things that are coming in the future
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why would hussie want to make homestuck a cartoon when he COULD make homestuck REAL?
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Damn son
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So who was the worst Post Scratch kid?
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>>82631706

Jape
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>>82631620

What was deleted?
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>>82631706
pic related
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>>82631723
joke was really fun til a6a5. jane was kind of just nothin
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>>82631731
some post talking about someone who got triggered by my art and the edit anon did
as well as my post listing what homestuck art was being worked on
guess you guys can't know that, mods say so
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>>82631756
how much does a comic like the johnroxrezi masterpiece cost
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>>82630714
RU
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>>82631774
50 lord english bucks
or 50 nepetas
whichever comes first
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>>82631806
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-7v4qnHP8
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>>82630714
so hussie sold Homestuck or something?
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>>82631806
ok cool maybe ill give u some doller when i decide what exactly i want done to the waifu's of homestuck
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>>82631893
alright
i'll be here counting my neps
theres 50
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>>82631929
burglarnep is my fave
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>>82631929
Dresspeta is Bestpeta
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i wish hussie would take the 50 nepeta challenge
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>>82632092
thats sweet lolita nep
very rare, part of a matching set
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He didn't even get to apologize. Honestly it would've been the smallest thing. Even most of the solarafags would've agreed that he should've said something. Even though he got payback for what he had done almost immediately while other *actual* abusers were happily doing the most disgusting shit. But no. Have another shitty joke instead.
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>>82632206
>equius would have apologised

what
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I AM NOT A WEENIE!
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>>82630714

Obligatory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6mfH48D7t4
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>>82632386
oh look my shitty video
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>>82632477
>>82630714

Wait

What the fuck is this shit?

I thought Homosuck was over
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>>82632553
The games will never stop.
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>>82630821
And half the threads on this board are talking about movies and TV shows.
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>>82631535
>horribly pornographic male fantasy
take my keks to you
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>>82631929
>genie nep coming out of LOLCAT teapot
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Aranea's t
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>>82631706
Jane had the potential to become an interesting character, but never did.
Jake was so fucking stupid that every time he ever said or did anything I hated him a little bit more.
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>>82619548
>Clocks destroyed: 1001
I forgot homestuck used to have brick gags.
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>>82633176
errible, terrible plot-devicey character arc
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>>82633176
rumpet. She plays the Trumpet
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>>82633176
toes?
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>>82633449
>>82631706
>>82633449
>Jane had the potential to become an interesting character, and did, but then was almost immediately DAOOTS, albeit in an arguably appropriate and fitting manner. Then the retcon obliterated all that.
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>>82633553
>Vriska's theme has guitar sounds
>she plays the fucking xylophone
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>>82633519
come the fuck on collide was like a brick gag montage.
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Who's looking forward to Gamzee's Fridge Adventure?
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>>82633563
That would be kinda hot if you cropped out her feet.
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>>82633611
why does the tumblr audience not realize that we know where he ends up anyway?

le free the cloun mayme needs to end
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>>82633578
Considering it was all outsorced I wouldn't count on hussie making them.
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I watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2TzBgFx3mo&ab_channel=TexTalks just now. It was pretty decent, although not as novel as the previous video, and flirted with BYB territory a few times. Tex makes a deal about willpower and a possible overlap between the aspects, and whether this should bother people or not, which I think was wrongfooted:
- First, I don't see much of a basis for why this would bother anyone, especially given that all the different Heroic titles converge according to canon.
- Second, willpower fits much more neatly with the Class system than the aspect. The differing classes consistently have differing internal resolves and ways of influence or outright controlling others versus being influenced and controlled, while the same cannot be said for the aspects.

That said, it was a good watch overall, remaining sane and coherent throughout. The scale of activity he proposed towards the end of the video was good but ignorant of some established data on the hierarchy. Here is an image addressing this point.
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>>82631209
>Not comics or cartoons.
Homestuck is a webcomics.
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I'm well aware that this is totally retarded but I'm re-reading dave's conversation with dirk where he talks about his horrible time being raised by his narcissistic and uncaring guardian, and how he never showed any remorse, and getting some serious god damn emotions thinking about my relationship with my mother.

What a dream, to have the opportunity to talk to her some alternate version of her on an equal footing and be able to get some closure on the shit she put me through.
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>>82630714
Haha, that flip stache.
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>>82630743
Depression
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>>82633743
I still consider it one of the best convo of Homestuck.

I ad been waiting for years for Dirk and Dave to interact, and I wasn't disappointed.
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>Dirk and Rose never interacted once
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>>82633857
>Rose and Jade never interacted post-Cascade
This is the real tragedy.
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>>82633938
Did Rose and Jade interact more than twice ever
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>>82633938
I would have really liked to see a four person chat between the beta kids, and one for the alpha kids. Even in Act 7 they're all just hanging out with their romantic interests. I hope the epilogue delivers in some way.
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>>82630714
I'm pretending to do work right now and can't watch the video. Just sum it up for me, senpai.
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>>82634001
the finebros thing but with homestuck. a content aggregator that hosts fan content on their channel so they get paid for it, hosted by your favorite d-list, has-been child actor
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>>82634001
"Wow some people reacted to our last thing!"
"Here's some guy in a wheelchair who will do something at some point"
"Hussie fails to pet a horse for 5 seconds"
"Nothing"
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>>82634037
How ironic, that Homestucks demise would be in the proximity of some horses.
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>>82630743
The brown dude is Ruffio from Hook(hence the pic in the OP) and the voice of Zuko from Avatar.
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Just got my ramble on in IRC and was wondering who else feels like i do here.

>Maybe why i like Homestuck is different to others
>Like to me it's a continued escalation of Problem Sleuth, which in turn is an escalation of Jail Break
>It's all about the narrative trolling you
>telling you they key is just painted on the ground
>or that the window is fake
>the adventure game style that wont let you have your way
>that makes complicated RPG systems as a joke
>PS escalated that so greatly and when HS started it felt like a continuation, by starting us off right off the bat with the most annoying inventory system possible
>that was 'the joke'
>But then things started to get more serious and grand
>and that was also 'the joke'
>everything that happened felt tongue in cheek
>Like whenever serious stuff was happening there was always jokes and Hussie trolling you
>doing SBaHJ jokes right after Eridan snaps
>that was the beauty of Homestuck
>Everything was a continuation of the joke that had been going on since Jail Break
>the joke of Hussie trolling the readers and dragging them through beautifully choreographed nonsense
>Dirks speech about irony and 'meaning it' always felt like a reference to the tongue in cheek nature of Homestuck
>Homestuck is Hussie taking the joke so far that it really felt like he 'meant it'
>and that is the source of my investment in the story
>not characters sitting around talking about their feelings really seriously
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>>82634206
the problem is that half way through this meta joke, hussie had to start taking it semi-seriously because of his new demographic, and it became less of a joke and more totally legit.

it's like somebody who does something ironic enough times until they're just doing it while shouting "don't worry guys, it's still ironic!".
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>>82634206
same

but i feel like taking it seriously yourself to some degree is also part of the pleasure. enjoying it being good and also somehow enjoying it intentionally ruining itself. i think most people who enjoy this comic take the story at much closer to face value than i do. complaining about stuff like jake not having a conversation with dirk when to me thats a hilarious fucking joke.

>>82634264
maybe it just got too ironic for you man ;))
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I am rewriting A6 and decided to archive-read the whole thing again. Yesterday by rose's walktrought page I left the computer, laid on my bed and cried for 10 minutes. Ignoring the comic hurt less.
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>>82634294
you cant rewrite homestuck, its a first draft improv mess and it will never be anything else
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>>82631261
I mean I don't care for Homestuck at all. However, "the rest" Includes the comic. This is a comics and cartoons. Homestuck is a comic. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean this isn't the board for it. I'm sorry but that isn't how it works.

By this logic people need to stop making topics about DC shows and Marvel movies.
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>>82633743
>Dave is Hussie's self-insert
>His dad died during the gigapause
I wonder if all these characters meeting up with alternate universe relatives and talking their feelings out stems from Hussie's own desires.

>>82633983
>Internet friends know each other for YEARS
>Caring, touching friendships
>They're ready to put themselves in danger to save each other and go on suicide missions with them
>Suddenly get romantic interests from outside the group
>Barely ever talk to the others again
This is so terrible.

>>82634206
One of Homestuck's biggest problems, IMO, is the way the reader is repeatedly teased and denied something he or she would really want (kid reunion, character arcs payoff, etc.)... and then that's it. Who enjoys that? I mean... if you do, alright, I'll respect that, but I'll also have to call you a terrible irony-hipster.
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>>82634264
Hey, Rambleman here, just wanted to say that i am of the opinion that Homestuck was great all the way up through act 6 and only got bad after the hiatus.
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>>82634264
it's called post-irony.
next step is new-sincerity
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"Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more; it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."
-- Famous playwriter and rap legend Snoop Dogg
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>>82634399
the plot died under it's own weight and the only way andrew could wrap it all up was through ambiguity. unfortunately he decided to do it through an anime short that took 3 fucking years to make and by then his fanbase had moved on.

Without the anime it would have been a disappointment but at least it would have been timely.
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>>82634399
ya seen this?
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>>82634407
>dfw only one homestuck/IJ crossover
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>>82633740
I'm also listening through the "Quick" update video again, which is prudent given that I glazed over it the first time (too much action on screen). In a fashion similar to the proposed activity scale, Tex is good but ignorant of pertinent points.

For a start, the frog temple. I too forgot that only the kids meteors were duplicated by the Scratch - it was only by rewatching the Gold Pilot flash that I remember Jane makign GCat in their frog temple. Now this is the real plot hole. How did the frog temple get to Earth post-retcon? Pre-retcon Jade could have FG'd it towards Skaia and let it make a portal, but post-retcon non of the assembled Heroes had that ability. That Frog Temple is vital for the Liv Tyler loop and in turn Bec Noir, so it's a big deal that this is unaddressed. Issues such as whenever Jake put the weapons into the capsule are pretty irrelevant next to this, although how and when Jake recieved the weapons is more pertinent.
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>>82633176
highs
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>>82634326
the worst part is when the meetup actually does happen it was written terribly
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>>82634206
>Just pretending to be retarded
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>>82634449
Did Roboslick actually make it to the Alpha session before Game Over?
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>>82634585
yeah, he was flying around like Dirk was
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>>82634281
Fuck you. You people are the worst.

The saddest thing is that at some point Hussie KNEW that the "whole so ironic it wraps round" thing was retarded, but he somehow ended up taking it seriously.

>inb4 THAT'S THE JOKE, AHAHAHAHHAHAHA IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE IT'S NOT
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>>82630714
what is up with that guy in the wheelchair? He is tall and small at the same time, as well as fat and thin, has a manly face but seem to have tits. What is going on?
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>>82634621
look at his thumb
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>>82634621
The entire what pumpkin staff merged to form one superbeing. unfortunately because they're homestuck workers they're not that super.
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>>82634510
>Pre-retcon Jade could have FG'd it towards Skaia and let it make a portal, but post-retcon non of the assembled Heroes had that ability.
Why couldn't post retcon Jade do it?
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>>82634510
all the stuff in the a6a6i1 flash still happened post retcon, otherwise how would vriska end up with the earth? jade goes through the portal and shrinks it, then in the surprise derse raid vriska puts her to sleep and captchalogues the shrunk earth.

theres time inbetween that for gcat to be created and the frog temple sent to ancient earth
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>>82634646
so he has some kind of genetic disorder or something?
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>>82634699
well it explains the wheelchair
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>>82634620
i dunno man i do genuinely find it funny. im not 'trying' to find it funny, either, it makes me laugh and i like it. id say im very lucky that theres something in the world that satisfies this taste for me because clearly its a rare taste and im sorry you dont get to enjoy having it.
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I wonder if you could alchemize anything rad with a shrunken Earth.
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>>82634591
If he didn't actually make it into the session then it would kind of make sense, since the retcon doesn't affect things outside of the relevant sessions/universes, just like being in the furthest ring allows you to escape the scratch, Meenah still remembers GO Karkat, and (Vriska) is a thing.

I guess Hussie actually rescued two Slicks.
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>>82634751
I don't get how that explains the kids even got to that point without slick existing through acts 4 - 5 though. he had quite a journey.

I guess retcon magic just werks
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What does Karkat represent in Hussie's personality
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>>82634084
kek
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>>82634746
What if all beta lands are alchemized togheter
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>>82634746
EARTHFUCKER
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>>82634407
>new-sincerity
disgusting
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>>82634449
If the retcon timeline overwrites the Game Over timeline, then why wouldn't Slick just be transported from whatever timeline he is from to the retcon timeline, instead of the Game Over timeline?

Also John's changes technically begin BEFORE Slick cracks the vault, since his first interference (minor though it is) is on Alternia before the trolls enter.
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>>82634828
The part of him who tries to act all mighty and feels like he's destined for greatness when he's actually a fragile baby who failed to get anything done in the end
Vriska isn't his waifu, she's his power fantasy

>>82634840
LOWASALARAHACAFAF?
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>>82634924
>Vriska isn't his waifu, she's his power fantasy
I think she's both, they aren't mutually exclusive
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>>82634646
What about it?
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>>82634924
vriska represents hussie's desire to fuck with huge numbers of people on a level beyond all possible imagining and get away with it
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>>82634449

>all events in the Game Over timeline are erased from history...this means Roboslick has to be recreated

This is what I don't get. Slick originally "died" in Cascade to blow up the Green Sun. This didn't change with the retcons and still happened. Hussie makes him a robot and he starts traveling to the Game Over session, but he never actually makes it there before it gets retconned. All that's changing is the session Slick is travelling to, not Slick himself.

The retcon didn't erase the entire comic. There's still stuff left for John to change, after all, and none of it contradicts Slick's story.
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>>82634736
I think you've just been eating Hussie's shit for so long you've convinced yourself it's delicious mole sauce
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>If Hussie isn't working on new Homestuck content it's going to be shit
>If Hussie is working on new Homestuck content it's also going to be shit because he obviously no longer enjoys writing his own story
WORST
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>>82634974
The best I can figure is that John's retcons are a somewhat localized phenomena, and a vaguely linear progression includes the post and pre-retcon events from an outside perspective.

That's why Slick showing up later chronologically means he also shows up later in the comic, because the retcon didn't exist first, then after he spent time getting closer, it did, and at the same point in time from the session's perspective.

Other evidence for this includes Pre-retcon Outer Rim events still having happened, and Caliborn's computers being able to view post-retcon and pre-retcon events.
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>>82635115
Didn't Hussie say that Homestuck was just a warm-up for his fourth project?
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>>82635115

When you put it that way, Hussie got the worst ending of all. even worse than the one he wrote. maybe he knows this and is bitter.
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>>82635157
Years ago.
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>>82635115
>>82635162
Andrew? Andrew Hussie? Is that you?

Andrew, I can't and won't make this any simpler for you.

You failed at life. You failed. When one thinks of what man is capable of, pushing himself to the limits physically, mentally and emotionally to achieve heights of success never before mentioned, your name will not be whispered in the same, reverent fashion that others have.

Nobody will remember Andrew Hussie. You aren't even a header or a footer in the career of someone else. You are nobody. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

In short, you are an enormous failure.

Andrew, being that you're about 35 years old and your brain has probably hard-wired itself to accept such failures by now and write off such criticism by being "flippant", really suggests that you've passed beyond the proverbial breaking-point. There's no turning back. This is your career, this is what defines you and this is what you'll defend to the end.

The abhorrent failure that is MS Paint Comics, Andrew Hussie, that is your legacy.

Maybe I'm over-reaching, however. Who knows? People CAN change. Maybe you'll read this, Andrew, and think long and hard about what a wasteful life you've led. Maybe you'll think, "wow. It's incredible just how abysmal and pathetic I really AM!" Maybe you'll lift some weights in the morning. Maybe you'll take a self-help class.

Maybe in a couple of years, Andrew, you'll have learned from this failure. I doubt it, though.

I genuinely doubt it.

Now excuse me, I have to work on Undertale 2. My accountant estimates over sixty million dollars in sales.
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>>82635157

It was a "warm up" in the sense that he tried a lot of experimental concepts in Homestuck that he could refine for whatever he did next. It's not like he had something in mind. Plus that was on Formspring and and so long ago that some of those answers turned out to be wrong.
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>>82635115
>>82635162
HUSSIE
SUICIDE
WHEN
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>>82635102
wow yeah, maybe my tastes arent real and my subconscious constructed them to hide my waking self from the reality that everything i enjoy is total shit and designed to make me feel bad. maybe all of my perceptions of reality are in fact created by me and i live in the fucking matrix holy shit have you considered that?

well get fucked, reality. i like enjoying all these objectively bad things. imma carry on doing it
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>>82634663
Because post-Retcon Jade is asleep? Follow the timing of events pre-Retcon:

- Jade goes Grimbark, Jane goes Obey
- Jade intercepts the meteor and teleports the heroes to LoMaX
- Jade follows the meteor through the portal to earth, shrinks it, then brings it back through
- At around the same point or afterwards, Jane goes into the Frog temple and makes GCat
- Presumably Jade shooshes the FT meteor towards Skaia and lets it do the work

Now here's the sequence of events post-Retcon:

- Jade goes Grimbark, Jane goes Obey
- Jade intercepts the meteor, only to be put straight to sleep by Vriska
- Jade is now out of the action until after her segment with the Calliopes

Now we have accounted ways for Vriska to jump through and grab Earth via the Walletball modus, and Jane still has the time and spaced needed to ectobiologise GCat and make it back to Derse to fight the heroes. But the only way I can see for the FT meteor to get hurled towards Skaia now is for Betty Crocker to lob it. This only raises more questions - why did the Condesce retreat from the heroes if she was capable of this feat? Why would she fought them one-on-one? And so on.

>>82634680
You forgot much of what was discussed in the fast and loose era.
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>>82635226
One of the hallmarks of a bad work of fiction is when someone has to resort to Plato's allegory of the cave to defend it

I mean, like what you like, but there's a difference between anti-climax and flat out dropped plot points
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Will Dave fuck Jade as hard as Hussie fucked Homestuck
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>>82635307
Only once Karkat dies.
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>>82635230
you're right, jade did get put to sleep before going through the portal with the meteor. presumably she could still have sent the frog temple/gcat through though, she'd just have had to have done it beforehand.
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>>82635328
Why? Do they have to fuck each other gently while he's around, so as to not be so loud that they wake him up?
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>>82635387
Right.
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>>82635277
im not resorting to anything, im taking the piss out of you for outright stating that im lying about my tastes. presumable so you can fool yourself into believing that your opinion of the whole 'hyper-irony' thing is objective fact.

i just like it and thats that. if you dont that fucking sucks for you. dropped plot points was not even close to what we were talking about and yeah im not fucking happy about those but thats irrelevant
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Reminder that Jade had the hardest life out of all the kids
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>>82635424
I hope Jade calls out Jake for being an abuser in the epilogue
maybe they can all call him Joke some more
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>>82635424
What about post-Sburb?
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>>82635443
Bec will turn out to have been neglectful and secretly an alcoholic.
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When people write homestuck fanfiction do they include the dialog in a normal way or do people talk in their quirks
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>>82635462
hahahaha
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>>82635476
usually fanfiction authors don't use quirks
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>>82635476
all dialog is written both with quirks and immediately after each line again without quirks
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>>82635424
>not jake or dirk

At least she had a super dog.
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>>82635424
And now Jade will be taking the hardest dick
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>any and all homestuck spinoff content will revolve around trolls with a few humans here and there
>the best characters (and the ones hussie seems to have the most fun writing) will never show up again
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>>82635476
Based on my vast experience of drunken fan-fic reading, most people simply write the dialogue normally.
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>>82635503
Neither of them spent three years with only their ghost-clown-mom and a bunch of retarded amphibians for company
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Does Dave sleep/shower with his shades on?
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>>82635537
jake probably would have enjoyed that to be honest
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>>82635547
No.
First off, we saw him asleep without his shades, and Dirk canonically showers without his shades. Dave presumably does as well.
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>>82635503
Jake was stranded on a shitty island and did have some tough times and loneliness in it, but at least he was alright in the alpha session. Jade during that time was on the golden ship being a wreck for 3 years, with nothing to do.

Dirk is Dirk, and managed to survive being a goddamn baby stranded in the middle of fucking nowhere. He's alright
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>>82635424
Worst Beta kid life: Jade
Worst Alpha kid life: Uh, Roxy? Jake and Dirk didn't have it easy either
Worst Post-Scratch troll life: Tavros hands down
Worst Pre-Scratch troll life: Damara, easily
Worst Ancestor life: Handmaid, closely followed by Psionic
Y/N?
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>>82635617
jake was ALRIGHT in the alpha session? what fucking comic did you read? he'd have been a lot better off in jade's position alone on the boat, in all honesty
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does anybody else get the impression that Dave and Rose never left their houses (or in Rose's case, her mother's property) before they played SBURB
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>>82635649
Jade probably would have loved all the attention, adventure, and a Strider trying to fuck her, yeah.
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>>82635656
Among Dave's ironic selfies is one of his reflection in the window of a Burger King
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>>82635656
We know that John actually went to a circus with his dad or something, right?
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>>82635686
shit, myth busted
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>>82635686
And Rose mentioned there was a burgerking 40 minutes from her house.
I guess we know which fast food franchise would be having homestuck movie toys in their kids meals.
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>>82635744
dude real talk
I would unironically love that
I, a grown adult approaching 30 years of age, would buy burger king kids meals for a week to try and collect all of the shitty homestuck toys
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>>82631095
so you say, yet here we are again with a continuation of the comic
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>>82635708
The Cirque du Soleil, yeah
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>>82635744
>rose lalonde with net launcher and rocket arms
>get all eight kids to combine them into mechahuss
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What is the last piece of art Hussie made that has been published on the internet
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>>82635830
presumably this
a picture of terezi crying
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>>82635708
yeah, Dad was kicked out of a Cirque du Soleil performance
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>>82633176
ight nook :^)
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>>82635656
What I'm curious about is if they were homeschooled or legit went to school. Obviously Jade didn't, but is there any evidence that the kids did too?
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>>82635919
How the fuck did Jade learn anything
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>>82634736
Fair enough. There's no point forcing yourself to hate something.
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>>82635954
spacedog is smart, yo
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>>82635115
At least I haven't checked Prequel for a while, so there's bound to be a bunch of new updates.
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>>82635817
im emailing dante basco about this RIGHT FUCKING NOW
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>>82635981
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>>82635971
Spacedog is canonically dog anon. Even Hussie said he's super powerful, but more or less just a well trained dog with some cosmic override behaviors.
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I wish Hussie would make a long rambling post about why we're wrong about Homestuck and why it would be shit if he did it the way we wanted him to
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>>82635954
internet
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>>82635919
Rose's mom could have hired a tutor or something
Dave's bro probably didn't care what he did
John strikes me as the most likely to go to school
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>>82635954
Prospit.
She still doesn't know things. She probably has this weird accent and says complicated words wrong and doesn't know basic social cues and rules. Like how you shouldn't give your credit card to random strangers, the nigerian prince doesn't want to give you money, and that you can't walk around naked when there's company over
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>>82636033
she had the internet and used it often, I don't think she'd by fooled by nigerian princes
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>>82636004
I think the reaction to the ending may have been too great even for his ego. He had always maintained he would prove all his detractors wrong in the end, and with that reaction his confidence must be shaken.
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>>82636033
She didn't walk around naked when there WASN'T company over

This nudist Jade meme has no basis in canon
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>>82636033
>Jade probably has a cute fake english accent
adorable
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>>82636066
Did she even have an email address?
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>>82636111
How else did she sign up for FurAffinity?
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>>82636111
Hussie established a furaffinity account for her. She had to have at least a dummy email.
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>>82635981
Sorry
WE'VE BEEN ON PAUSE SINCE HALLOWEEN
BECAUSE KAZERAD SPENT HIS TIME MAILING 1,000 BOXES OF MERCH TO PEOPLE INSTEAD OF WORKING ON THE COMIC
YOU KNOW, THAT COMIC EVERYONE IS INTERESTED ON AND ON WHICH THE MERCH IS BASED
AND WHICH PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO READ RATHER THAN HAVE T-SHIRTS OF
KAZERAD IS FUCKING UP AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF CROWDFUNDING CAMPAIGN SHIT --AGAIN--
;_;
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>>82636103
It'd be a weird southerner english accent mix.
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>>82636135
I forgot about that account. If it's really Hussie, does that mean that Jade's ears are canonically really REALLY soft and fluffy?
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Remember when Hussie could draw?
http://smokinghippo.com/TSOtutes/inking_tutorial.html
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>>82636167
Like the softest sheep or the most satisfying pillow. Only they also twitch and move.
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>>82636262

>fagged in the head

triggered
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>>82636262
I just bought some inking pens so this tutorial is god send
Its sad to think that Hussie will never share his wisdom about colors
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>>82636135
holy fuck, what was the account? is it still up?
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>>82636370
gardengnostic.
It's really not much. It's the artists she favored in the comics in her favorites list and one or two blog posts briefly about how she likes her new ears, she's scared of sleeping, or how she doesn't understand why everyone is following her
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>>82636416
>or how she doesn't understand why everyone is following her

I can think of two good reasons
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>>82636416
aw lame

her faves are a little lewd though
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>>82636503
Her beautiful green eyes?
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>>82636503
i'd cyberstalk a cutie like jade and pester her for pictures of her ears
and feet

who wouldn't?
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>>82636506
Never forget, she named a consort yiffyiff. And had unrestricted internet access
Jade KNOWS.
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>>82631706
Jake, absolutely
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>>82636555
People with not weird fetishes
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>>82636416
I've never been to this site, how do I search the username?
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>>82636326
He helped his father develop a photoshop plugin to help artists choose color palettes, I don't know if you can actually get it anymore though.
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>>82633627
>if you cropped out her feet.
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jake was dumb but he was funny and good-natured
y'all think roxy is the best alpha kid but it was actually jake
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>>82636586
So there's pretty much no way jade isn't a chronic masturbator right
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how do we fix Jane and Jake?
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>>82636640
Ugh nevermind I figured out by not being stupid
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>>82636683
Jaken ever finished his character arc
Roxy did, if she even had one
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>>82636702
Make them evil

Make Roxy kill them
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>>82636702
Make them fuck and get it out of their system, bringing them closer to their pre-scratch selves.
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>>82636702
Make Jane go evil for good and probably die, make Jake complete his character arc.
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>>82636719
well yeah, roxy was the main character of act 6
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>>82634264
After seven years nothing is ironic it's just the actual thing that you're doing
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>>82636719
his character arc was 'spending time with other people is actually not that fucking great in the slightest'. and it was fine. he got to do some heroic shit and one day he beats the shit out of clockwork caliborn. he'll live a happy life doing cool stuff on his own just like grandpa did.
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It is my opinion that Dirk isn't just the worst post scratch kid, he's also the worst character in the comic period
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>>82634313
>its a first draft improv mess
Then why not rewrite it
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>>82636792
Not with Vriska around.
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K9 unit Jade
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>When Hussie went through the trouble of setting up accounts on furaffinity for not only Jade but other characters too so they could message her.
>Also briefly kept up posts for Jade as the story progressed

Finding all this out just makes me even sadder. What do I have to do to help you finish strong Hussie? You were so on it before.
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>>82634967
>vriska represents hussie's desire to write a shitty character
She never really did anything interesting or important
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>>82636829
She stole countless pages of screentime
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>>82636827
The fact that Jade no longer updated things after Cascade made me sad.
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>>82636683
Jake could have been okay if Caliborn had kept mentoring him and they produced funny pesterlogs together.
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>>82636881
instead Dirk hogged all of the caliborn pesterlogs to himself
fuck Dirk
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>>82630714
Daily reminder that Lord English wins , kills everyone
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>>82636880
What they even be
>I'm so happy, I'm in a relationship!
>Now I'm sad
>Now I'm evil
>post-retcon these posts are deleted
>just a big long post of jade talking about how she doesn't have any motivation to check her page anymore and she's deleting it and is then going to go cry herself to sleep.
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>>82636880
Dave was more active on it honestly. There's a post to someone's comment in April 2013
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>>82636920
hussie sincerely hated drawing him. 90% of his appearances were copypasted from the first moments he appeared.
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>>82635344
Trouble is, GCat wasn't made before she went to sleep. See the timeline.

>>82636995
Proof?
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>>82636988
Dave didn't have a furaffinity
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>>82636995
um yeah thats how homestuck art works pal i dunno if you noticed
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>>82636904
Dirk is the least funny alpha kid, and that's saying something
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>>82636416
Wrong
The account shown in Jade's browser is vampireprincess007, an artist who eventually took down her gallery.
I know this because I've watched the Midnight Crew Adventure flash a bunch of times

Or maybe gardenGnostic is Jade's account and Hussie set that one up too. I dunno.
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>>82637081
Well whoever created the davestrider account in 2012 did a fine job of keeping in character.
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Bro is TSO Hussie
Dave is Non-Homestuck MSPA Hussie
Dirk is Homestuck Hussie
Alpha Dave is Homestuck 2.0 Hussie
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>>82637153
And the lil cal, bec, and Nep accounts too that have replied to the gardengnostic one too.
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>>82637143
There is a gardengnostic set up on furaffinity, more or less the exact same time Jade was revealed to have an account, and favorited the exact images she liked in her browser.
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>>82636693
Pretty sure anyone in her position would be. Cake can only relieve so much misery.
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>>82637105
yeah but it's not this blatant senpai. in fact hussie did not have english appear at all after caliborn enter until collide.
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Introducing Dante to Homestuck was a mistake
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>>82637187
I miss the kids on social media. The first four felt like they had a real online presence.
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>>82637246
english being a nebulous threat is the whole point of the character though. whether that was a good choice is pretty fucking nebulous too, but i think the reasoning behind him not appearing much is pretty clear.
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I lasted half a second, but only because I didn't expect a Kickstarter style video.
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>>82637250
Introducing Rufio was a mistake.

Also when's Liveblogger gonna continue, if ever after the start of Act 6 hit them like a brick?
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So it's Compilation of Homestuck?
You fuckers get to feel how I did when Dirge of Cerberus came out.
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>>82637359
>Liveblogger
le ebic rusecruise
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>>82637359
the start of act 5 hit them harder theyll get over it at some point
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>>82637400
Did liveblogger have as many people telling them everything was going to shit when they started Act 5?
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>>82637366
Roxy Anime by Studio Trigger CONFIRMED
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>>82637433
yeah
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>>82637359
>>82637250
Isn't it fucking weird that the guy who voiced Zuko is willing to do more for Homestuck than the fucking creator of it is?
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>>82637450
Brazzers parody where
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>>82634870
that pic hit me hard

my fet hurt
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>>82637469
No?
Hussie's spent because he worked his ass off for two years.
Dante hasn't done shit so he's full of enthusiasm.
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>>82637450
Roxy even has the obligatory Trigger Abusive Mother!
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>>82637508
dante didn't even read it all and just skipped to act 7
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>>82637508
>Hussie's spent because he worked his ass off for two years.

And they said HST couldn't tell jokes!
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>>82637469
>making a video to talk to fans is a bigger deal than communing with a mighty hoofbeast to ask its advice on how to fix everything

yeah fuck off andrews still doing everything he can for us
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did anybody else get a really profound sense of foreboding when vriska and john first found the house juju
a feeling like "wait why is he introducing another macguffin, is this thing that JUST got introduced going to be important?"
I think that was the first part of Act 6 that was undeniably and irredeemably shit from a narrative standpoint
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>>82637508
>Hussie's spent because he worked his ass off for two years.
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THIS IS FOR YOU, ASSHOLES

MY FINAL FUCK YOU

ENJOY YOUR SHITTY FUCKING COMIC
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>>82637250
maybe, but his reaction when he got to the part where Hussie tries to revive Rufio was absolutely priceless
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>>82637583
thansk grubanon
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>>82637583
And a little something for you, kind sir!
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>>82637583
Thanks. I'll raise it and love it like a daughter.
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>>82637534
>dude horses lmao
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>>82637583
its perfectly shaped for use as a fleshlight
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Hussie's taken the horse jokes too far. He's really beating a dead horse now.
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>>82637583
BABYFUCKING
BABYFUCKING
IT'S AWWWWWRIGHT
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>>82637737
Nobody in Homestuck fucks babies
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>>82637583
can someone post that greentext from yesterday
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>>82637554
To some extent I suppose I did, however given how important over the top magical items and powers became it made sense to me that they'd have to find some form of item to rival some of LE's. I think more than anything the issue with the house juju was that Vriska's hunt through the dreambubbles wasn't given the narrative weight it really needed to make us care. We're told the ghosts are luring LE away to buy time for Vriska's crew to find the juju, but it doesn't mean anything as they're just ghosts, they're willing cannon fodder and no one else particularly cares about their demise. It just ends up making the hunt a chore and missues an opportunity to develop LE as a meaningful threat to the main cast.

I think there were greater issues with Act 6 than this one, but it stands out as one of the biggest wasted opportunities in the comic for sure.
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>>82637766
>implying
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>>82637567
>>82637527
The first two years, not the last two, you numbskulls.
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>>82637766
Jade has babies in her vagina, the sick fuck
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A few days ago we came up with the idea of the kids trying to live normal lives in a world where they're worshipped as gods, and I think someone said they were working on a fic for that

Did anything come of it?
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>>82637866
Still working on it right now.
Trying to figure out how I want to go at it.
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>>82637897
Awesome, I love you anon

That was such a fun idea though, we need more things like that in these threads to break up the shipping wars and stuff
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>>82637866
>Rose gets good at makeup to try and make them seem older so they can live in a nice neighborhood they've found for a little longer
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>>82637766
i would a grub
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>>82637830
lil kan best kan
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>>82638005
They can't have makeup on all the time.
What will Dave do when his teenager confronts him and asks why you haven't aged after all these years dad
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>>82638053
i want to touch that kan
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>>82638072
that sure was something
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>Homestuck 2.0
Just let it fucking end. Let hussie make something new and move on from this shitty mess. Good God.
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>>82638072
Highly OOC, dave would have started fucking jade right away
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>>82638156
well,

you kan
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>>82638072
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>>82638005
what if the kids, even after all these years are actually not good at blending in. Or maybe they are, but weirdos always manage to find them. Maybe it's because their social circle clearly mimics the gods. So they start, centuries earlier, modifying the pantheon and inserting new gospels, trying to make their worshipped selves resemble their real selves as little as possible. Nobody suspects Jade is, well, Jade, when godJade is a thousand-foot tall being made out of frogs and trees that has a million dog ears growing out of her.
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>>82638227
she's probably used to that kind of thing already. the slut.
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>>82638282
>I want to fuck Kanaya until she loves me
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>>82638156
>>82637830
Did Doc Scratch touch Kan since he had a thing for young girls?
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>>82638189
dave is a beta
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>>82638271
>yet no matter what they do, for some reason whatever they do in their lives is always reflected in whatever holy book exists
>have a few kids and a few years later there's a news story about how historians discovered in some lost library somewhere additional writings that were meant to go with the Book of John, that details private albeit skewed details about their lives and specifically mentions their kids and anything else they were trying to keep secret
>they just can't fucking win
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>>82638315
Did AR like girls?
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>>82638340
okay, jade would have started fucking dave right away
And I don't mean like, when he came over to her house, I mean as soon as they got to the new universe
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>>82638315
Yes. It scared her for life and made her a lesbian.
>>
Wouldn't it actually be pretty trivial to hop over to the trolls' session and grab their quest crypts?

Like there should be a facility out in the veil somewhere that lets you teleport over there.
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>>82638315
i'd hope so
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>>82638340
He's -the- beta.
IT'S HERE
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>>82638369
okay probably
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>>82638340
Doesn't matter, Jade's phermonal musk would set him off and quickly make him want to screw the pooch
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Is the medium what everything inside the insipisphere is made of, or is it the empty space between planets. I'm confused.
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>>82638386
That shit's probably all destroyed, but John could retcon the trolls to their quest beds.
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>>82638362
He cybered with Roxy. Scratch loves Lalondes.
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>>82638439
"The Medium is the generous ring of space surrounding Skaia, and bound by the Veil. It's where the planets orbit. As it is in between these two things, it is literally the medium, as in the space in the middle.

The Incipisphere is all of these, Skaia, Prospit, the Medium, the Veil, and Derse, stopping short of the Furthest Ring. It is in fact a bubble in the Furthest Ring.

Paradox space is even broader. It encompasses everything, including the Furthest Ring, all Incipispheres ever, and all universes."

-Huss
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>>82638053
>google kan
>select images
>be amazed
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Hussie has been an agent conscripted to kill a universe all this time, no different from Spades in A2 and Bec Noir in B1. He created a universe, gave it cancer, and terminated it. This was all to serve an agenda we do not understand and cannot stop.
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>>82638421
>musk
Pretty sure jade just smells like sadness and cake.
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>>82638497
Hussie has proven invaluable in shaping the villain of my novel. He is supremely arrogant, cold blooded, and completely delusional. He's such an archetypical mold for a monster.
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>>82638569
Hussie is a fallen hero led astray by a monstrous woman, just like Macbeth. His fall is tragic.
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>>82638569
>there are at least two people in HSG whose villains were inspired by a webcomic author who is this much of a hack
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>>82638469
Okay thanks. Gotta get it straight.
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>>82638598
Halftruth could have only helped so much, man. Hussie's done too much bullshit on his own for me to be comfortable blaming anybody else for it.

I want you to imagine the Gigapause unfolding before your very eyes, a void the mass of two universes, with the Green Sun's birth music from Cascade playing, as Hussie calls you a sucker. That's not Rachel. That's not anybody else. That's Andrew Hussie. The man is dread incarnate.
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Making characters OP by the end was so stupid.

- Aranea could control multiple people AND while a ghost, which gave us the impression post-retcon's poor dialogue was serkets fooling john and roxy until the dave/dirk convo that didn't involve them. Dead damaras using her powers on the incisphere look stupid too.
- John's powers were not removed by the end despite andrew could bring any bullshit to revoke it (hit by crowbar, dying etc) so letting his dad and a bunch of characters not alive looks bullshit while keeping them alive wrecks character buildup but john doesn't sound an asshole. Its a lose-lose situation.
- Roxy can make anything with her powers with no apparent penalties, as long its for someone else. The ammount of exploit is so big she could bring back the beta kids offscreen and the juju sacrifice would be pointless.
- Vriska is... Vriska.

On other hand, other characters were to the weenie zone:
- Karkat did nothing
- Where did Condy's drone army go?
- If Jake from the new universe is that whom fought Caliborn it took literal years for him use his powers and it didnt even kill him.
- Caliborn's immortallity being from the clock makes sense but feels less threatning. WHY DID ONLY DAVE BRING A CUEBALL WEAPON.
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>>82638569
>>82638598
Hussie is, above all else, the Demiurge. Yaldabaoth himself. An arrogant, ignorant creator god who claims a cow as his own and abuses it at his discretion.
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How do I change Worm's page colors? These light gray letters on the dark gray background is giving me a goddamn headache.
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>>82638809
You read something actually good.
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>>82638824
But I am, I'm reading Worm. It's a lot better than Homestuck so far, which isn't saying much, but still.
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>>82638761
>cueball weapon
>yfw slick could have just shot scratch instead of snowman and solved everyones problems
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>>82638845
>a lot better than Homestuck
Kid, I hated the ending too, but you're being a petulant brat. That isn't true and you know it.
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>>82638849
Scratch isn't affected by cue balls. He is a cue ball. He has to die for LE to appear.
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>>82638053
I prefer killer kan
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>>82633740
Ok but seriously this is autistic, hussie did not put this much thought into the game mechanics and active / passive was just something he added in to make his ending work without everyone discovering their superpowers
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>>82638909
dynamite wwith a laser beam
guaranteed to bloww your mind
anytime
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>>82638908
there's nothing that suggest he isn't also weak to the cue ball
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>>82638871
The ending, yes, along with the other 70% of the comic. Homestuck stopped being good just before year 2. You aren't allowed to talk about "reading something actually good" when you're a Homestuck apologist. Sorry, them's the breaks!
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>>82638932
As a first guardian he would just teleport out the bullet like that jadeximp flash
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>>82638956
>Homestuck stopped being good just before year 2
Pathetic.
I'm no Homestuck apologist and I want Hussie to get jumped for Act 7. But you wouldn't be here still if you really felt that way.
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>>82638956
Buddy, we all know you don't believe that. I get that pretending that you always hated Homestuck is an easy way to get over the ending, but you're among peers here.
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>>82638927
Everything in that image is straight from the Huss's mouth.

>>82638928
>dynamite with a laser beam
Careful what you wish for.
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>>82639013
wow, it's pretty crazy how you can read anon's mind like that
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Is Ava's Six Billion Demons any good?
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>>82638932
That's reverse-doublebad logic there buddy. You have to prove he'd be weak to the cueball, not the other way around.
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>GC: W3LL Y3S, TH4T M4Y B3 TRU3, BUT 3V3N SO 1 DO KNOW TH4T LUCK 1S 4 V3RY R34L TH1NG!
>GC: FORTUN3 1S TH3 3SS3NC3 OF L1GHT, 4ND 1T SH1N3S ON THOS3 WHOV3 M4ST3R3D 1T
>GC: BUT 1 KNOW SOM3TH1NG MOR3 1MPORT4NT TH4N TH1S
>GC: 1T 1S 4 B1G S3CR3T
>GC: M4YB3 TH3 B1GG3ST 4ND MOST 1MPORT4NT S3CR3T OF 4LL
>GC: LUCK DO3SNT 4CTU4LLY M4TT3R >8]

>yfw luck mattered so hard, vriska got everything she wanted with no consequences and terezi turned into an emotionally damaged wreck
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>>82639057
what? he's literally the same entity as Lord English, he contains all the same parts, therefore he should be weak to the same thing
there's no reason he wouldn't be, but >>82638996 is right, a bullet wouldn't work
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>>82639066
Vriska is basically a gag character at the end.
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>>82639034
Damn good
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>>82638072
>no John/Roxy/Terezi threesome in the Vriska Hospital
>no Dave/Jade hidden public sex when they visit their child's graduation day in the Karkat Vantas memorial elementary school
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>>82639066
It doesn't matter, though. Vriska was fated to get that. All her luck did was tell the script "she gets more scenes and always wins", but that was the script. It could not be changed, and thus didn't matter. She wasn't lucky, just fated, like everyone else in this boring garbage fire of a comic. Leave it to Hussie to make the horrors of predestination and murderous time forces DULL.
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>>82639098
Nope. Lil Cal, Doc Scratch, Caliborn and Lord English are not identical entities at all. The cueball in particular nullifies Caliborn's personality and nature in Doc Scratch. Doc Scratch cannot spontaneously travel through time, he has no Clockwork Majyyks, no crazy lazers, no unconditional immortality (which is the whole thing that cueball weapons nullify in order to be effective).

When Lord English is summonend, Doc Scratch as an entity, personality and collection of powers and attributes effectively dies. It's not unlike a larva-to-imago relationship. Butterflies may be vulnerable to having their wings clipped, but catterpillars, not so much.
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>>82639013
>>82639021
You guys don't actually think Act 6 was an almost immediate nosedive in quality? You didn't just keep reading in hopes that Hussie would get some of his magic back (which he did to some extent with Caliborn and the intermissions)? You didn't think it was weird that he started using dialoguelogs as weird exposition dumps instead of allowing you to infer things for yourself like he did in the preceding acts?

He introduced the alpha kids and made it perfectly clear that the focus was going to be "THEY GOT ROMANCE PROBLEMS!" There's almost no dynamic between them other than ROMANCE PROBLEMS, so we just have these non-characters who have more personality in their introduction pages than they do in their conversations constantly whining about how they're getting smooched too much or not enough. Even the fucking trolls had more shit going on, and they had quadrants.
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>>82639158
>elementary school graduation day
Who the fuck does that
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>>82639280
I always thought the point of Scratch was to act like a Calliope surrogate, so Caliborn could swap with him and enter a universe without ending up doomed or anything.

I still don't get why the finale wasn't an insane glitch fest to get him killed. It was just a generic, lazy brawl.
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>>82639272
>Leave it to Hussie to make the horrors of predestination and murderous time forces DULL.
Perhaps most neatly represented by the collapse of anything intimidating or compelling about Lord English as a threat.
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>>82639158
>no Dave/Jade hidden public sex when they visit their child's graduation day in the Karkat Vantas memorial elementary school

I want this
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>>82639294
Yeah, I was kind of pumped for Act 6 with the Jane intro flash, but it went downhill FAST. There was just... no real chemistry or kindness between any of them. They all seemed to hate one another. It got old, really fast.
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>>82639321
Mmm, the Calliope-Scratch parralels were just one drop in the barrel of "things that went no-where in the comic". See Cronus's past and Mituna for instance. What was the point in bringing that up and talking about it if it was to amount for naught? Did he just type in the first thematic-feeling bullsht for each character and then forget about it? Maybe it's easy for an author to do.
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>>82639328
He's the friggin Lord of Time, presumably he has enough Time powers to make you shit your pants in horror. But all he does was slap people and shoot lasers. Hideously uninspired.
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>>82639272
So... Is Homestuck the first happy, "regular" story about predestination, the absolute power of fate, and the meaninglessness of one's actions?
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>>82639280
Tangential, but it's been proven relatively recently that butterflies retain their caterpillar memories/consciousness.
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>>82639360
Hussie isn't an author. He has said on record that he thinks writing is nothing compared to art. Which he proved with his absolute disaster of a 7-year-wasted work.
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>>82639280
well in that case he's not immortal at all so just smack the cunt
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>>82639386
Homestuck wasn't happy or regular at all. Everyone acted like sociopaths where the massive death and terror barely fazed them. It ended up an ugly story about sheer apathy and how if you try to be more than you are, you will DIE.
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I don't understand what's everyone's problem with Vriska. In the end she helped all the other characters and led them to victory.
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>>82638909
Good choice anon
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ara
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>>82639280
This kind of confuses me. Wasn't doc scratch implied to have personality elements of AR? Being Rose's creepy uncle and all.
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>>82638909
Remember when there were huge debates over whether or not Kanaya had a forked tongue?
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>>82639522
glub glub SHRUG
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>>82631362
He's probably scared of saying anything so not to fuel the internet outrage machine (note how he's deleted all his tweets and tumblr posts), plus he has negative charisma (check out any video of him speaking) so has instead decided to let other people speak for him and embrace being a living meme.
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>>82635195
Thats bowman
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>>82639522
I'm a bit confused on that, myself. English's soul was directly translated into the ectobiological son of Cal and the cue ball, in order to emerge from it upon its death. So that means Arquius was also really there in the soul mix, and Scratch could literally be Arquius. However, it's possible Arquius is just part of English, and Scratch as the ecto-son of Cal and the cue ball is a completely different entity. And yet, Scratch clearly has personality traits of AR and Equius, and that plot twist was in part enacted to explain Scratch to begin with.
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>>82639557
Hussie is a mess.
Hussie is a waste.
Hussie is a big fat mistake.
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>>82639592
Such a stupid last-second 'twist'.
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>>82639557
>just like Lord English
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Clearly, MSPA entered a doomed timeline the moment Hussie decided to stop taking user inputs.

Least this deepart thing lets me do something neat with all this useless Homestuck art.
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>>82639564
>>82635195

no read the file name it's TobyFox
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>>82639396
No, he meant he found writing easy, like the dialogue and prose aspect, not story. He used to shit out those pesterlogs without any editing at all. He was always all about storytelling.
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>>82639622
I liked it because it confirmed some dumb pointless fan speculation. Just like their being a link between AR and Lil' Hal.
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>>82639378
Did we ever see Caliborn use any time powers? Did we ever even see him time travel or freeze something in time?
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>>82639696
Then he should take some classes on how to write competently.
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>>82635578
Dirks shades were electronic
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>>82639713
Nope. For being the "most active class," Lord sure doesn't seem to do anything.
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>>82639395
Cool, but how?

>>82639426
He is however a near-omniscient First Guardian with chiefly Dirk's personality and the protection of Lord English.
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>my utter face of relief when I found out Vriska was coming back

I remember sitting there, witnessing the events of Game Over and thinking to myself, "If only Vriska were there, she'd fix everything." And she did! She cured Rose's alcoholism, using the knowledge she gained FLARPing as a substance abuse counselor. She used the lessons she learned driving literally every other sapient being away from her to become a better leader than Karkat, and her passion for gaming gave her inexplicable metagame knowledge on which strategy would be most effective to defeat their various enemies.

Really, bringing her back was probably the best decision Hussie ever made.
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anyone got the more updated version of john slay a gay every day egbert with kanaya?
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>>82639753
I forget the details, but butterflies were demonstrated to remember learned behaviors from their caterpillar stages.
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>>82639794
This is fucking hilarious
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>>82639738
isn't hussie's only training in computer science or something? and he became a comic book guy because he was rich enough not to work or something

hussie is a pretty mysterious guy though
im pretty sure no-one actually knows how old he is, his age on wikipedia is only a guess iirc
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>>82639438
This nigga got my reference

You even got it right rather than posting a Deff Dread, which happens
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A Prince of Light could destroy all of Vriska's luck and put her in her place.
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>>82639877
This really doesn't look like Kanaya
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>>82639794
My headcanon is that Steelcorridor is actually Caliborn. He's really opinionated, he's got a lot of weirdly specific hangups about sexuality, an obsession with a guy he perceives as the alpha male, and charming but questionable artistic talents. He's Caliborn
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>>82639875
Jesus that sounds like the awful godmodding I'd do in old roleplay sessions...
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>>82639429
I meant to say, it had a happy, "regular" ending, despite all the unsaid things about how much abuse, destruction, trauma, loss, and cosmic unimportance happened to like half the cast.

>>82639778
I'm not mad about this pasta existing
I'm mad that there's a fucking reason for it to exist in the first place.

>>82639751
>Caliborn, the Lord of Time, has the MOST ACTIVE CLASS in the comic
>Does LITERALLY NOTHING with his time powers, besides set up some loops in the background
>Calliope, the Muse of Space, has the MOST PASSIVE CLASS in the comic
>A version of her CREATES A BLACK HOLE and DESTROYS THE ENTIRE GREEN SUN
Who let 2016 Hussie take this story away from 2010 Hussie.
WHO.
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>>82639870
He's not mysterious at all. He's some 30-whatever skinny nerdlinger from suburb Massachusetts. I grew up there. I knew a million guys like him. I went to Amherst all the time. He has a lot of money from daddy so he doesn't have to worry about fucking up.

That's it. That's Hussie. Some awkward dude with great color sense and neat story ideas who ran out of steam.
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>>82639875
*IT WAS A DOOMED TIMELINE ALL ALONG*
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>>82639940
That wasn't a pasta, I'm just a natural shitposter. I made a pretty similar post a few weeks ago, so maybe that's why.
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>>82639522
What's confusing about it? Caliborn is repressed by the cueball, so the next most active component, Dirk (Lord>Prince>Bard and Heir) takes over. I reckoned everyone had ironed this out by now. (Gamzee and Equius provide accents to both Scratch and English's personalities)

>>82639592
Occam's Razor: the cueball has no personality, it just supplies knowledge that the AR accesses with its characteristic speed and efficiency. Doc Scratch is only near-omniscient, as shown by delays in certain cogniscence (is that how you spell that?), surprise over the hatesnog and Vriska's cueball and so on.
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>>82639959
Actually, all that still happened. John never retconned those bits.
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>>82639297
Like every school? Did you really never have an elementary school graduation?
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>>82639914
at that point in the story, hussie hadn't drawn anything for a year or so, everything before the masterpiece was drawn at the beginning of the gigapause.

so he probably literally forgot how to draw kanaya properly.
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>>82639940
Oh, I know. I just mean the 'happy' ending they got felt hollow and ugly because of all that was lost for no reason beforehand, and what a bleak future most of them have anyways.

Frankly the death obsession and mass slaughter might have worked better if some of the kids/trolls or Caliborn worshippers in the comic just outright said "Nothing we do matter so we may as well go screaming into double-death and cease existing in this pointless nightmare existence that wants nothing but for us to follow script and die in humiliating agony"
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>>82639659
Sweet image bro, reposting some of my stuff from yesterday.
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>>82639973
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>>82639875
Vriska's entire character and arc is like a fun RP session hijacked by That Guy and turned into a masturbatory fantasy that's fun to nobody but him
And the GM running along with it because he loves tormenting his other players and they'll swallow everything he throws at them because his story is just THAT good
Fuck you Andrew. You're the worst GM. It's you.
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>>82639973
John's girlish lips are confusing me, anons.
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>>82639818
Awesome man. I remember seeing an image based on actual scans of cocoons from the point of metamorphosis on either end, and what appeared to be a nervous ganglia remained intact throughout the process, so this makes sense.

>>82639914
Hideous isn't it? There's another bad one like that from the FnL days as well. It looks a bit like Byron as a kid, which makes me wonder if it was intentional.
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>>82640036
but some of them did do that
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>>82635195
But Undertale is already on its way out.

And Fox didn't keep his word on some of the Kickstarter rewards either.
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>>82640070
It's edit, they were originally Jade's fully, girlish lips
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Requesting John making out with Roxy and Terezi while they visit Vriska's grave
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>>82640121
that was an edit too, they were aradia's

huss is a hack artist
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>>82640118
>But Undertale is already on its way out.

Good. Fine. Great. I'm fucking sick of things that stick around for years. It had its time of sunshine and victory, let it pass gracefully and move on to something else.
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>>82640048
Haha, holy shit, you're right. It's like those /tg/ copypastas where one player is obviously the DM's pet and everybody has no choice but to go along with it.
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>>82639991
Are you sure it isn't that AR and Equius make Scratch, while Caliborn and Gamzee make English?
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>>82640121
That was also an edit.
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>>82640048
The baby is you
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>>82640118
Undertale won't be defeated until something with the same breadth of teen appeal comes out. There's nothing on the horizon threatening to do so.
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>>82636262
Does this site host some of his other tutorials?
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>>82640199
It's being defeated by the lack of new content.
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>>82639924
if only you knew, anon-kun
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>>82640177
I fucking loathe Vriska and a lot of Hussie's style in that regard. I've GM'd for years and took a lot of work and pride in learning how to smartly adapt to good players introducing what I know will completely upturn the plot I had planned. It's how I love to do it, I make a timeline and then let them bend it around all crazy and adapt to make the whole process more organic. I have an amazing team of players too.

I loved reader suggestions since it felt like that on a different and grand scale. Then he abandoned it for 'his' story and holy shit did that go poorly. Vriska not going away and just happening over and fucking OVER was giving me goddamn flashbacks to the bad old days.
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>>82640118
>But Undertale is already on its way out.
Always time for a sequel game:^)

>And Fox didn't keep his word on some of the Kickstarter rewards either.

Top fucking kek, only sperglords like Kazerad care about Kikestarter rewards.

Let me lay it down for ya, sweet heart

1.5 - 2 million copies sold

And that's from Steamspy, infamous from UNDERreporting

Toby don't gotta worry for SHIT

A sequel will sell MILLIONS

And that's BEFORE merchanedizing, motherfucker!
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>>82640187
Can someone make two Aradias kissing?
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>>82640187
Aradia is already just a knockoff of Jade though
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Years later and I'm still not sure what the hell Homestuck is.
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>>82640118
Which rewards?

>>82640178
I'm sure I made an image detailing all the cross parralels, which I would've posted with that last post but I couldn't find it. I'll look further, or otherwise I'll just make it again with the text I have saved.

>>82640199
Yet. The thing is, did anyone know Undertale was going to blow up like this a year or so in advance? Did any sizeable amount of people have accurate estimates of it? Otherwise there's no knowing when something will be dethroned as The Thing Teen Girls Talk About (And Sometimes Boys). It could be seven years.
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>>82640217
The king has grown ill, but his throne is unchallenged.
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>>82640242
It's about the principal of the matter.

Didn't Fox already come from a loaded family?
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>>82640258
Trash.
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>>82640177
>>82640048
Compound that by having the DM's girlfriend invite a bunch of new players who become obsessed with this one quirky race he made as a diversion, who become utterly obsessed with them and lead him to make central content more and more centric around them, then they all end up migrating away in any case when they split up. The analogy is complete.
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>>82640274
Except that people move on to the next thing, even if it isn't all that popular.

Like everything, Undertale will be forgotten and perhaps embarrassingly looked back upon.
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>>82640274
the undertale fans will just go back to touhou or whatever if undertale doesn't keep producing content
without new content, you just end up with 3000 Katawa Shoujo Generals
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>>82640315
You... got beef with the game, don't you. Undertale is going to sit in the Top 100 chart forever man. Whether you hated or loved the game, it was well made and popular. Who the hell would be embarrassed by it, save for personal fandom idiocy?
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>>82640275
He does have a Jew-beak but I dunno
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>>82640275
>It's about the principal of the matter.

You think "principals" mean shit? ALL ABOUT SALES BABY! BRAND RECOGNITION! STREAMING ON YOUTUBE! A FANDOM THAT WILL DEFEND EVEN THE SMELLIEST TURD YOU SHIT OUT! You think some measly "kickstarter rewards" matter? You think a complainer won't get EATEN ALIVE by the MILLIONS OF FANS who will WORSHIP THE GROUND TOBY STANDS ON?

Ha! GAHAHAHAHA!

>Didn't fox already come from a loaded family

And now it's EVEN MORE LOADED!

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WUTS DAT SPELL? LODSEMONE!
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i wonder what toby thinks of hussie selling out
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>>82640390
I think Toby doesn't give a shit and is moving on to a better life
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>>82640356
I don't have a beef because I enjoyed it. But I know that it will just be replaced by anything new. Fandoms are like locusts. Or attention starved magpies perhaps.
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>>82640355
There isn't going to be any new content because Undertale's explosion scared Toby away from the brand. He's absolutely terrified of ending up trapped in the shadow of one IP like his best bro Andrew. He abandoned all of his spinoff plans as soon as it became a sensation. His new game is going to be something completely different, and I'm looking forward to it, as much as I'd have enjoyed more Undertale.
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>>82640390
What do you think of a homeless man who begs for change in a crowded subway station?
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>>82640405
Let's hope it's one of pressure and failure.
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>>82640151
this has about the same effort as the average homestuck panel put into it
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>>82639924
am I gonna have to do some kind of big AMA to explain everything I've drawn or something?
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>>82640459
Andrew, go back to your tiny dice.
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>>82640488
Could you just explain this drawing? It's the first one I've seen that I don't understand.
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I feel like Homestuck being such a failure and people ripping Hussie open wouldn't be nearly as bad if he hadn't been such an arrogant unpleasant fuckhead about so much of it.
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>>82640488
No, I don't care, I just want you to keep doing you. My precious son.
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>>82640178
equius is obviously what makes english so RIIIIIIIIPPPPED though. im pretty sure all 4 characters make up both scratch and english just in different ratios
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if I learned anything from Homestuck and Undertale, it's that nothing else matters as long as you have really catchy music
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>>82640529
I think it's just "state of union" but with Homestuck threads.
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>>82640538
>Someone else took over the story in 2012
I'd sure believe it
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>>82640529
poking fun at the fact that every line of dialogue within /hst/ about dave, jade, karkat (and nepeta) and vriska is the exact same thing every time
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>>82640555
Not true. Re-read the Masterpiece. Caliborn says he gradually grows bigger and stronger in the process of destroying universes. And we've seen cherubs are naturally ripped as adults.
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>>82640565
I'm laughing at people who think Toby is doomed because he makes amazing music and that will NEVER stop being a powerful and wanted talent for the scene he's in

He's fucking gold-plated secure for life, he can just make music for games and whatever else and he's set
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>>82640472
noice
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>>82640616
the only music so far he made is beepboop crap that doesn't stick

i can't even remember most of the UT music
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>>82640538
Does it make you feel better that it eventually bit him in the ass? His fanbase got so big that were too many contradictory "factions", so his curmudgeonly behavior always ended up pissing off or alienating one group or the other. Now he has none, and has to use a private Twitter account so he can release his uncontrollable snark on the few people who will put up with it.
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>>82640653
it must fucking suck to have awful taste, man
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>>82640659
He did this on purpose. He wanted to kill off his fanbase. Act 7 was the black hole that destroyed the Dream Bubbles.
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Can Toby's music save Hiveswap?
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>>82640653
>beepboop crap

What onomatopoeia music should he be making? Bingbang? Waawaa? Maybe a bit of dingdong?
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>>82640653
it doesn't really matter what you or I think
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>>82640681
Oh the irony of you saying that.
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>>82640690
is toby even on the hiveswap team
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>>82640375
I dunno if beak is the right word, Hussie's nose is more beaklike for instance. Tobe's nose is pretty big however, but then the rest of him's small so it might just be the contrast.
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>>82640697
But it was important enough for you to respond ;) .

>>82640695
Perhaps something that doesn't try to wallow in the retro appeal. Moonsetter is the only good thing he ever did.
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>>82640686
I disagree, I think Hussie actually loves interacting with his fanbase, considering for a while his most prominent works required user input. It just got too big with Homestuck and he didn't know how to handle it.

If he actually wanted to alienate himself, he wouldn't have deleted all his tweets and tumblr posts. He would have kept them up for posterity, as a big middle finger to all the people he's pissed off. But he didn't, because he realized he fucked up.
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>>82640472
now do a Jade/Dave version on Karkuck's grave
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>>82640540
I don't think I like being headcanon'd
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>>82640695
fuckin high quality post
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>>82640659
Not really. I hate seeing arrogance and insecurity drag a good work down. Never let your ego write checks your talent can't cash.

I'm really not sure why Hussie didn't just shrug and nosell everyone who got pissed or grouchy. If he had kept calm and not engaged, and especially hadn't riddled the comic with his diatribes, I don't think things would be nearly as bad.
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>>82640734
Wallow, that's a good word. Nice winky face, too. Really hammers in that you think your opinion is superior.
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>>82640734
man why are the anti-toby hipsters such asshats
I get that he is undeservedly popular but do his antifans have to be 100% obnoxious 100% of the time
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>>82640720
yes
that was the big selling point to the last hiveswap update
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>>82640728
He looks like a shekelgoblin but I don't know if he is one
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>>82640745
I have a very hard time believing the man who gave birth to the Gigapause didn't want to eradicate his fanbase. He even said somewhere he just wanted the MSPA readerbase to be himself and a few weirdos again.
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>>82640266
>>82640178
I found the image. For some insane reason I copy-pasted it into Paint rather than just screencapping the spreadsheet, so it's harder to read than I anticipated and need realigning. Otherwise this is comprehensive, answers all component questions.

>>82640614
I don't remember him saying this specifically. I remember him expressing a desire to grow bigger, and obviously Caliborn will be big as an adult being a cherub, but the stuff about universes in particular is drawing a blank. Link?
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>>82640755
What is this an image of?
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>>82640828
That's a good point, considering he was mostly doing his work for the few, dedicated, original fans he had.

I think he went about it all wrong, though, and I think he realizes it.
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>>82640755
What...is that meant to depict?

>>82640804
Tangentially at most. I'd say no, but put a fair valency on ancestry, maybe dad's side.
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>>82640734
>Moonsetter is the only good thing he ever did.
Hussie tried his damnedest to ruin Moonsetter, and while it was a heartbreaking effort, I don't think he actually pulled it off in the end. The original feelings Moonsetter inspired in me drowned out the Vriska after a while.
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>>82640828
>>82640859
I hope he uses Homestuck 2.0 as a smokescreen to distract his fanbase from whatever his next original work is
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>>82640883
I wasn't even reading the comic anymore by then, so most of the good songs are just pure on their own still.
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>>82635578
We saw him asleep without his shades because a nakkodile stole them while he was sleeping.
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>>82640844
I appreciate this image you made and posted, so I'll spoonfeed you the bit.

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/ACT6ACT6.php?s=6&p=009345
>AND WHEN ITS INFILTRATION IN THAT UNIVERSE HAS TAKEN HOLD, THE SEED WILL HAVE BEEN PLANTED. AND IT WILL PAVE THE WAY FOR MY EMERGENCE, TO WREAK MY BADNESS. FROM UNIVERSE. TO UNIVERSE. TO UNIVERSE. EACH ONE WILL FALL. AND EACH TIME I WILL GET STRONGER. AND OLDER. AND BIGGER. AND BUFFER! OHHHHHHHHHHH YES.
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>>82640386
>OF
whop your badge on the countah
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>>82640695
Bingbang and a bit of wiffwaff, preferably.
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>>82640954
I mean, we already know exactly what they'd look like without shades. Literally Roxy and Rose with heavy eyebrows.
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>>82640978
>Homestuck existed in a lifeless void with no characters seen save those immediately important
>We will never see kid Caliborn fucking around in some random universe terrorizing people and players from other sessions in the first years of his ascent
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>>82640844
>favors blunt instruments

that's wrong. English uses the same weapons as Caliborn. The Cane/Rifle

And caliborn has a universal specibus from leveling

and English being destructive seems more like Caliborn than Gamzee. Caliborn has explicitly stated he wanted to kill everyone and his run through the dream bubbles was fueled by the desire to kill Calliope (and anyone else)
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>>82640978
Fuck Caliborn is just perfect. Imagine if he had been setup as the villain from the start, with Bec Noir like a next-to-last boss. I'd love to have seen him jeer Act 1-4 Rose.
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>>82641048
See in Homestuck 2.0! HAHA!
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>>82639870
His father was a painter and Hussie helped him develop a program that selects color pallets for artists. It's not writing but it explains why the colors in his art are so gorgeous.
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When Union Jack was created, did he just go berserk with Clockwork Majyyks, or was he actually possessed by a duplicate version of Lord English, with his memories and everything?
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>>82641072
glub glub SHRUG
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>>82640996
So we know Rose has an oedipal complex as well, and is also into MILFs.
How long until she dresses up like Dave as an excuse to get at Jade
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>>82641050
A1 Eridan better have been Troll Caesar.
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>>82640978
You're misusing the term spoonfeeding. Don't be patronising.

That sentence described Caliborn getting bigger and buffer at the same time as he infiltrates and conquers more universes. It didn't state a causation between the two. Caliborn was observing Lord English, who by that point was part Equius and thus already buff. Aside from growing larger, the buffness stems from Equius.
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>>82641063
Miracles
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>>82641094
not long at all
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Hes not even beating a dead horse at this point, he is petting it. preparing to fuck it.
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>>82640538
>Trust me, all the decisions I take that may seem completely stupid to you will end up making perfect sense. The will advance the story in ways that will blow your mind.
>4 years later
>THANKS FOR PLAYING
Hussie's mistakes should be mandatory reading for new artists. No one needs to repeat them.

>>82640653
I didn't think of Undertale as much more than a Good Game Of The Month, but I know like 80% of the soundtrack by heart. It's good. Not legendary, but damn, without that music I don't think the game would have moved me at all.

>>82640686
>Act 7 was the black hole that destroyed the Dream Bubbles.
I don't think that's on purpose.
But Terezi ending up so much worse off than they started? Karkat not mattering? Jack Noir living while Spades Slick dies? Vriska avoiding that karma like a bullet hell pro? I think THOSE were meant to piss every single fan off.
Or at least every single fan that wasn't going to give him money no matter what.
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>>82641094
>everyone thinks dave will go lustcrazy once jade gets pregnant or whatever
>it's actually rose who does
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>>82641127
I have to side with the other guy on this one. Unless you consider Caliborn to be an unreliable narrator, he's clearly saying that getting buff was a gradual change throughout his rampages.

The real question is how Lord English was summoned into those other universes without Lil Cal being involved, and whether the process is the same as in A2 (Doc Scratch ensures the death of the universe and then transforms into Lord English)
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>>82641050
The cane is a blunt instrument. At no point did that say LE uses blunt instruments exclusively.

On that note, the image was made some time prior to Collide. It could be updated with Equius's favouring hand-to-hand combat and further examples of Dirk's decapitation.

Caliborn's destructive influence on English is acknowledged in the piece. Caliborn however is just generally or maliciously/gleefully destructive. Gamzee specifically flies into frothing grimacing rages, which is an LE trait.
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>>82641187
the only thing I enjoyed about Undertale is the soundtrack
everything else is amateur hour
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>>82641070
His father was also some kind of hardboiled journo, I found out last thread.

>>82641098
That wouldn't complete the parralels. He'd be some kind of magic minstrel.
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I still think the greatest ruse Hussie ever pulled was somehow convincing his entire fanbase that his cast of quite clearly Caucasian people were somehow black, brown, and asian

Like, Jesus Fuck

What?
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>>82641127
Equius was never *that* buff. Darkleer isn't *that* buff. The causation seems pretty implicit. Hussie put Equius in the soul mix for Scratch's sake, not English's.
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>>82641209
At no point did anything I say deny the change was gradual. In fact I explicitly stated it in the post to which you respond.

The very segment of the Masterpiece the anon linked to covers Cal's infiltration of universes and sessions. He does it via Gamzee's chucklevoodoos, making copies of himself in dreams.
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>>82641296
It was the start of his long downfall. Instead of just saying "See them however you like" or "It's a visual comic" he had to keep fucking opening his mouth. Do not engage. Do not engage. Do not engage. Do not engage. Do not engage.

DO NOT ENGAGE YOU STUPID MEALY MOUTHED FUCK
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>>82640844
How come Caliborn is considered the most evil guy in the universe and not AR or Equius or Gamzee when they're all important parts of that shitty amalgamation of souls?
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>>82641296
Not just black brown and asian, but weird black brown and asian where they all have weird skin conditions and dress like they're never going to hold down an actual job ever.
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>>82641296
I can see the black haired kids as pale Asians
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>>82641321
Equius is the definition of buff. In a setting where the authour avoids and evades in-and-out of the story defining the physiques of any of the kid characters, he consistently draws and portrays Equius as ripped, and incapable of handling many objects without breaking them. I don't know if you remember Darkleer's one upper-torso appearance in the comic but he was as buff or buffer than Caliborn's parents, and he's just an adult relative of Equius. Admittedly, none of these characters are as buff as English. But Equius's contribution is non-the-less clear, and requires some unusual assumptions to deconfirm.

>Hussie put Equius in the soul mix for Scratch's sake, not English's.
Link?
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Can Calliope age? Will she be 12 feet tall and swole someday?
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>>82641350
Caliborn is the dominant portion of the soul. He's a Lord, and you know his personality. Dirk and Equius have no desire to invade and subvert universes and sessions.
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>>82641063
Caliborn turning into English would have had the same impact as Jack getting the ring (and Bec powers). It would have been insane. The great kind of insane.
I wonder if LE would have worked if Caliborn had been part of the "protag" cast early on? Like, someone everyone thought would be a harmless dumbass and ended up being the biggest bad in the entire comic.
Maybe he should have been one of the pre-existing characters. Like, I dunno. Tavros. Lord Spanish, now THAT would have been fucking hilarious. Or Equius. You know what I mean.

>>82640883
One of these days I think the wounds will heal and I'll be able to download Moonsetter again.
Right now it still hurts.
But one day. I swear.
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>>82640844
>Roaring fits of destruction
>Horses
Already Caliborn traits.

>Blunt instruments
What? I didn't notice Lord English change his weapon preference from Caliborn.

>Aggressive relationship with Vriska
???

>"Dark water" in Scratch's head
Is that not just the usual stuff in an 8/cue ball?

>No yes/no conversations

Other than that, good chart.
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>>82641330
There's a couple of problems with that, though.
1. Jujus are not supposed to be replicable. Lord English kind of found a loophole to this in that he is created through ectobiology with a ghost imprint of a "full" Cal doll, but there is only one such doll and it eventually becomes Union Jack.

2. What happens to all of the duplicate Lord Englishes in the other universes? Clearly English can travel between universes on his own... is paradox space just littered with Englishes? Did every single one of them die because of Vriska's bullshit?
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>>82641446
Roxy is counting on it.
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>>82641455
Dirk and Equius both have that creepy guy who likes to manipulate people thing going on though, and they seem to form the bulk of Scratch's personality. Scratch isn't any better than English.
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>>82641208
>dave you've been really weird tonight, why don't you take off your glasses?
>I think it makes things hotter.
>did you just use punctuation???? :O
>uh i mean no i didnt jade just relax and take your pants off
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>>82641487
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005531
Instances of myself have spawned in countless universes, and my objective is always the same.
I have never once failed to complete this objective, and I never will.
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>>82641416
>and requires some unusual assumptions to deconfirm.
It only requires evidence directly in the comic, like Caliborn explicitly explaining that he gets buffer by shredding through universes. Equius's physique would have been a fine expanation for his muscles otherwise.
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>>82641405
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>>82641533
Shoo, fuck off.
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>>82641542
So if I'm right about this, there are potentially an uncountable number of Englishes scattered across paradox space. We saw ONE of them get killed. But there's no reason why the other Englishes can't, say, team up with each other and seek revenge in Hiveswap.
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>>82641550
>making this buck-toothed, squinty-eyed girl Asian
Racist as fuck tee bee ache
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>>82641607
I'm just picturing two Englishes doing the "It's time to blow *SNAP* YOU UP!!" bit from Tiny Toons now.
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>>82641491
Roxy's lips look like Jasper's head
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>>82641533
>>82641610
F8CK OFF
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>>82641249
>The cane is a blunt instrument. At no point did that say LE uses blunt instruments exclusively.

but implicating that the cane is gamzee's influence is stupid.
Caliborn used a cane before and after becoming Lord English
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>>82641610
Begone from this thread you trash child.
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>>82641689
Nepetafag has been posting for years straight. You have no power here.
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whens jasprose coming back
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>>82641446
>12 feet tall
Here's LE next to Hussie. He's above average for a male cherubs.

Calliope will still be delicious amazon. Just don't get zilly.
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>>82641729
I wish he had a trip so I could filter him
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>>82640472
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>>82641321
darkleer's forearm is five times larger than Mindfangs and bear in mind adult trolls gets tall as fuck
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>>82641607
I guess. That or there's only ever one and he just uses/teleports to/grows out of Scratch every time he enters a new universe.
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>>82641607
i think that most englishes dont end up in the green sun and therefore in paradox space, since there appears to only be one. they just emerge at the end of a universe and then eat the whole thing
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>>82641753
I thought paradox space was all of existence, not just the universes in the immediate vicinity of the green sun.
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>>82641747
Where's Loki put their NSFW
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>>82641747
NOICE
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>>82641754
Why don't you ride your little kar out of here you shit bucket.
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>>82641751
so there's only one Lil Cal who just gets returned to the void every session? I don't think English destroys everything and then just sits there; he's gotta move on somehow.
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Imagine being Andrew watching this video and having to be all like "damn, Dante Basco, your cosplay is fuckin' fine, all gray with your flaky body paint and horrific lopsided horns. I would totally kiss you, both my self insert and the real me." when all he really wants to do is jack off to Vriska in his bedroom. Like seriously imagine having to be Andrew and not only sit in his computer chair while Dante flaunts his horrible cosplay in front of you, the low audio barely concealing his terrible singing and badly composed track, and just sit there, video replay after video replay, hour after hour, while he accepts he ruined a celebrity's life. Not only having to tolerate his monstrous fucking visage but his haughty attitude as everyone on Tumblr tells him he's JUST LIKE US and DAMN, DANTE BASCO SINGS LIKE *THAT*?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and watch all this terrible cosplay give you types of cringe you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been fucking nothing but a healthy diet of MSPA fangirls and later alleged rape victims for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the sburban jungle in Boston. You've never even seen anything this fucking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's breaking out on his facepaint as dances to a laser light show, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to watch this horrible video based off your webcomic and revel in his "Homestuck (for that is what he calls himself)" beauty, the beauty he worked so hard for liveblogging in the previous months. And then Rachel calls for another replay, and you know you could kill every single person in the What Pumpkin studio before the security guard that tells people about Homestuck could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're fucking Andrew. You're not going to lose your future TV career over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it.
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>>82641738
>delicious amazon Calliope
Drawfriends I need this
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>>82641738
We don't have a size comparison of an average male cherub next to anything but an average female cherub. And if Hussie were 6 feet, English can't be much bigger than like 7 or 8 or so? He's tiny.
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>>82641846
This is actually an alright picture.
Mostly because it doesn't involve KatNep shipping.
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>>82641471
Already addressed roaring fits of destruction here >>82641249. It seems I have to remind people that traits between components can overlap - nothing says that they can't.

>cane
...it also seems I have to remind people that influence doesn't have to take the form of a hard change either. Making an existing trait more intense is still influence.

Gamzee engineered Vriska's death pertinently and tactically. Post-retcon, live Vriska completey screwed Gamzee (and Kurloz as well) over.

Nope, normal cueballs are completely omniscient. I covered Scratch's lag earlier in the thread.

Good catch on the yes/nos! Another thing to add.

>>82641487
First, JuJus CAN be duplicated, as is demonstrated repeatedly in the comic - it's just that there can only be one active JuJu, with the special powers, at any point. Second, JuJus are entirely capable of being mixed into other things, or serving as components. The contrary certainly isn't stated. It's a bit like the Warhammer of Zillyhoo being the ultimate hammer, yet it can still be mixed with the Fluorite Octet.

What happens to the spare englishs is a question I've had for some time. Best answer is that they drop down dead when another Doc Scratch erupts via circumstantial simultaneity, something Caliborn is okay with as it lets him keep destroying things.
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>>82641446
>>82641738
>>82641847
>not knowing how caliborn gets that void ring
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What was English's end game? To fuck his dead sister?
The kids get nothing out of killing him. At least Condesce is the describable threat to the on-going existence of the living kids. English is happy to fuck off to nowhere and kill space squids and the shitty dead children living in their foamy semen
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>>82641747
Delicious. Uncensored where?
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>>82641503
Being a bit creepy and manipulative is not enough to make someone a villain. Negative traits on the whole are not enough to make someone a villain. For all their negatives, you cannot say Equius and Dirk are villains.

Scratch's personality is not relevant to the fact that he is compelled to serve Lord English. He does evil because he has largely no choice. In his own words, he is a weapon.
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>>82641827
A+, saved for later.
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>>82641738
LE looks a lot bigger compared to dead dreambubble people and Ms. Paint
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>>82641892
wasn't English going to eat their universe or someshit?
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>>82641982
after it died.
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>>82641900
Congrats you ruined it with your shitty ship.
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>>82641952
What is it that makes Scratch "compelled" to serve English, anyway? He's made of something that keeps English dormant, and he's omniscient. He could just stop.He can't "doom" himself because he's part of an immortal soul that defines the alpha timeline by simply existing in it.
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>>82641549
We've already covered how that's not what he's saying.

Equius's componency in English was never required to explain anything. You're misunderstanding the exercise, which is cataloguing the influences each ingredient has on Lord English and his relative incarnations. Equius is notoriously buff, and even by Cherub standards so is Lord English; it wasn't needed that Equius was a part of LE, but now that we know he is, it would take very large assumptions to theorise that he didn't somehow contribute. In other, why WOULDN'T Equius's componency have upgraded English's muscles?
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>>82641805
maybe he normally grows out of the actual cal doll? and then when hes done with a universe he returns to the void as cal again. then after an eternity of wrecking universes, the cal doll gets to the A2 universe and only then is doc scratch created. having the cueball parts as well as full sentience allowed him to put in motion the plan to create the green sun, and move from there into the dream bubbles.

it seems fairly reasonable that when doc scratch says there are infinite copies of himself in other universes he could mean other cal dolls rather than other actual doc scratches
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>>82642002
Stop giving him attention, he just wont quit. He'll do it every single thread for the rest of his life. Just leave him be, with his trash ship
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>>82642018
casualty, perhaps gamzee's influence.
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What did she mean by this?
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>>82641693
It's not an implication if it's a direct statement. It's not stupid to observe a connection between one character who uses blunt instruments, and another character who uses blunt instruments that was influenced by the former. I'm pretty sure by now I've covered everything else to be said about the cane elsewhere.
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>>82641952
Well Caliborn was compelled from the moment he hatched by the nature of his species to be evil, so it's not like he had much of a choice either.
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>>82642034
Gross.
>>82642045
I have to at least remind him every now and then how shitty it is.
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>>82641876
You forget that LE has the world's worst posture.

He's 10', minimum.
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>>82642089
He wont listen. In fact I'm almost completely positive it's just a bot he set up to actively look for homestuck threads
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>>82642076
english uses the cane because he's dominantly caliborn.

you may as well open a line of bullshit about rose using a wand because of her relation to Dirk/AR and English using a wand
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>>82641887
>First, JuJus CAN be duplicated, as is demonstrated repeatedly in the comic - it's just that there can only be one active JuJu, with the special powers, at any point.
Yes I understand this, that's what I meant when I said jujus can't be replicated. If you try to make a copy of a juju, you just end up with an inert object that looks like the juju.

The problem with lil cal is that we've already seen his full timeline, or at least, the beginning and the end. You're telling me that the same doll traveled through infinity+1 universes and never once transferred its essence to another entity in the same manner as Union Jack? It's not impossible, but it's unlikely to the extent that it warrants explanation.
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>>82642118
>the original KatNep anon could be dead for all we know
Spooky.
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>Disney Infinity shutdown
>Homestuck 2.0 and the ending in general

man i wish my life consisted of more than webcomics and toys so that i could not be pissed off right now
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>>82641899
https://gyazo.com/033016badf62a449e81ed200b4e3bf45
here m88
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>>82642164
John was trying to keep Terezi single so he could swoop in and have her
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>>82641876
While it's not impossible for the two cherub's we've seen to be wildly different in size to LE, it would be pretty unusual for Hussie not to have used the two of them to give general indicators of Cherub size and physique to the audience. As far as default assumptions go, LE being the same size-ish as his father but more muscly is the most likely (I won't say majority).

>7-8'
>tiny
Most people's example of a fuckhueg dudesize from fiction is a Warhammer 40,000 Space Marine, and they are only 7'-7'3" in armour.
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>>82642164
John had no way to tell that would make Dave gay.
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>>82642164
>>82642176
I actually wonder if this was Hussie's intent.
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>>82642118
Nah I see him, or at the very least other KatNep posters, talking back every now and then.
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>>82642120
Why is that shitty ship in a pikachu car?
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>>82642157
NOICE
O
I
C
E
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>>82642024
>We've already covered how that's not what he's saying.
But that is exactly what he's saying. There's nothing saying Equius didn't enhance his muscles, but he got ripped while destroying universes, and got buffer with each excursion.
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>>82642176
>John "Unsolicited Niceguy Advice" Egbert
That's almost worse.
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>>82641891
That is an outstanding question, aye.

>>82641969
We have no clear perspective shot of Ms Paint stood next to English. The two we have are too distorted. Further that there's an obvious gap in size between the two and it becomes very vague. Ms Paint is not tall compared to humans.

>dead dreambubble people
When do you see this? Characters in collide are portrayed in chibi proportions, coming up to only Dad's knee for instance.
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>>82642238
>unsolicited
Terezi asked him to do that on the first place
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>>82642144
Aranea said English has had many incarnations, which might be implying more possessions.
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>>82642164
John should have just fixed the fucking timeline on his own without any scarf bullshit. Let him be free and make his own choices jesus
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>>82642238
terezi knew hed do that with her MIND POWERS. it was totally solicited
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>>82642254
Nope, that was all John taking matters into his own hands. She only sent him back for the original "you don't need him" with Karkat and to help her investigation.
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>>82642018
Caliborn is still an influence on Scratch in spite of his surpression. A Lord's role is compel others via the carrot and the stock to serve his agenda. Couple that with Lord English constantly existing at the same time as Scratch, being a much stronger first guardian and able to time travel effortlessly to any point when Scratch might betray him to fuck him up, and I see no way for Scratch to leverage that omniscience, besides surreptitiously helping his enemies over the course of a very long-term strategy. 8^y
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>>82642149
>>Disney Infinity shutdown
Wait, what? Why? I don't even play, that just seems really sudden and unwarranted to me.
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>Terezi didn't care enough about her friends besides Vriska to try to retcon them back to life
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>>82642276
john is literally incapable of making his own choices its like the whole point of the character
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>>82642266
Well, English is a separate entity created through ectobiology, he's not a necessary part of the equation. But you're thinking that lil cal's essence does end up transferring to other people, hops from person to person, then ends up back in the cal doll before the story of Homestuck resumes? I guess that could work but it feels more to me like Hussie just doesn't give a shit about continuity anymore.
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>>82642198
Nah, it was likely to be about leaving her free so Vriska could swoop in and save her, then drain all her character to fuel her crusade against LE. Just like her sweet old lusus taught her.
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This is the only Homestuck 2.0 we'll ever need.
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>>82642157
Many thanks.
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>>82642321
>implying that's an intentional characterization
he just gets shifted around when the plot requires it
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>>82642320
>Terezi gets abused so hard that she warps reality to bring her abuser back to life

What was Hussie meaning by this?
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>>82642276
BREATH
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>>82642077
That's a seperate and very valid point altogether. If we'd have seen other "bad" cherubs and been able to reference Caliborn and Calliope's behaviour in context, they could've been more compelling. As it is, Calliope is treat as a martyr when she's just nice but boring, and Caliborn as satan when he's a douche but awesome.

>>82642143
Thanks for that revelation. I had no idea that Caliborn also used a cane! This is totally unaffected by the fact that an influence doesn't have to be a change, as has been explained repeatedly.
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>>82642346
whatever happened to that ponography image that was on the sbahj site?
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>>82642346
>epilogue is just a SBAHJ flash
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>Kanaya puts up with Rose's abuse in two timelines
>Terezi gets abused by Vriska her entire fucking life to the point where she can't exist in a timeline without her

Is Hussie trying to say something about women?
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>>82642374
HAS
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>>82642362
Abuse is ok as long as you're one of the main characters.
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What is this about Hussie's father dying? How did anyone even find out?
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>>82642411
He doesn't know anything about women.
He doesn't know anything about life period, why do you think all the kids live isolated lives?
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>>82642412
NO GAMES
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>>82642362
Clearly Terezi killing her abuser not out of spite but a desire to perpetuate the common good was a mistake

VRISKA DID NOTHING WRONG
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>>82642144
Basically >>82642266. I don't see how the fact that plain Cal can also be used to hijack others interferes with the Scratch chain. LE cannot always turn up in a universe, as was exposited in Scratch's "calling card" spiel. He sometimes has to make do with weaker go-betweens.

How do the Felt get from Universe to Universe? To add to the question pile.
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>>82642426
Obituary. Hussie shares his father's name, so it's easy to come across news of his father and googling for Hussie.
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>>82642426
>What is this about Hussie's father dying
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>>82642411
It was a cry for help, he himself was trapped in an abusive relationship, with a woman who kept involving herself in his professional life so he couldn't escape her.

Also, Rose isn't abusive, what the fuck? She's just drunk and a disappointment.
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>>82642235
No, it isn't. I'm not going to repeat myself. My explanation can be easily found earlier in the thread, dissect that for an objection.
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>>82642412
NOTHING
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>>82642449
>Obituaries

Well fuck me. I forgot those even existed.
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>>82642452
>why don't you ritually follow Hussie's personal life, you fucking moron?
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>>82642411
Caliborn shares Hussie's true thoughts on women. He gave those thoughts to the villain so nobody could say Hussie himself was sexist, but then he made the villain so charismatic that even tumblr feminists liked him. It was all part of Hussie's plan to destroy social justice forever.
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>>82641607
>We saw ONE of them get killed
Strictly speaking, we didn't. It would only have taken a few seconds of animation to have shown LE being destroyed, sealed away or whatever. Don't you think one of the reasons to preserve maximum ambiguity about that encounter (besides pissing people off) could have been to allow this particular English to be a recurring threat?
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>>82642360
its so fucking obviously an intentional choice and if you cant see that youre dumb as hell. john spends the whole comic getting ordered around by person after person, including, for the first 3 acts, the literal readers of the comic. he's the heir of breath and he goes where the wind takes him. hes supposed to represent the player character of a video game, which are famous for having no agency of their own except that of the player who is in control of them.

this is like 'meta aspects of homestuck: the absolute basics'
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>>82642495
Hussie's personal life is more interesting than Act 6.
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>>82642276
Johns an idiot though. I mean unlike regular time travel theres no split off timelines to unfuck things here, one wrong move and shit spirals out of control.
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>>82642471
>Rose isn't abusive
good joke
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>>82638598
Halftruth is like Yoko Ono

i.e. they both did nothing wrong, but are blamed anyways
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>>82642303
>A Lord's role is compel others via the carrot and the stock to serve his agenda.
Nice headcanon. Wait until Hussie reveals what its passivact boysclusive wreckerpecker stats are, perhaps when he reveals that the verb for Mage is "ejaculate."
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>>82642495
Dude it's very old news that still gets brought up everytime the kickstarter gets brought up. You have no excuse
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>>82638777
DEEPEST FUCKING LORE.
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>>82642379
Aranea's exposition made it sound like all bad cherubs just go around blowing up planets and killing people.
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>>82642509
>he's supposed to represent the player character in a videogame
you mean the only person in a videogame with agency? that person?
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How would Rose be as a mom?
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>>82642525
Did you learn everything about society and interpersonal relationships from The Huss himself?
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>>82642509
Good summary. Really it's disappointing to hear people say Breath is freedom (I found an old summary of my own while looking for a reaction image about 10 minutes ago that did just this), when what they're grasping at is looseness, mobility, unboundness/unfixture and so on. While Freedom is an example of being untied down, the opposite is not true.

John inherits/recieves motion and fluidity, so he gets blown about and changed constantly.
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>>82642523
John isn't stupid.
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>>82642573
awful.
In terms of parenting, it'd go like this

John > Roxy > Jade > Jane > Dave > Jake > Rose > Dirk > All the trolls
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>>82642446
The problem is that only one Cal doll (the doll containing the unique essence of Lord English) in all of existence can be used to create Doc Scratch. Every Doc Scratch was created from the same Cal doll at different points along that doll's timeline.

However, the doll is also able to transfer its essence to other entities through a very simple process. Given that the doll has passed through countless universes, it's unthinkable to suggest that no one ever considered looking it in the eye. So the big question is, how does the cal doll contain the essence of lord english both at the beginning and the end of its timeline?
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>>82642530
I like the yoko ono comparison, because while yoko/halftruth still fucked up certain things, it's still also lennon/hussie's fault for not separating personal and work relations like every other person on the planet
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>>82642613
Dirk could make you a fighter, instead of some insufferable boring normie like the rest.
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>>82642504
I wouldn't put it past Hussie to be that trollish, but at the same time, it's kind of a hackneyed plot device for him
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>>82642634
Yeah he'd do that by storing swords in the fridge and showering you with smuppets and psychological torture
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>>82642613
>Dirk that low
Bro did nothing wrong
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>>82641827
>and you know you could kill every single person in the What Pumpkin studio before the security guard that tells people about Homestuck could put you down
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>>82642478
Caliborn says his growth is gradual. If it were due to Equius, he'd just instantly become musclebound.
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>>82642572
when you play zelda, link has no agency. he doesnt make decisions in his brain. you, the player, make the decisions, and then you tell link what to do with buttons. john is link.

the only exceptional thing is that the role of 'player' over john is regularly taken over by other characters in the story, eg. wv, vriska, terezi
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>>82642523
John isn't dumb. He's a bit ditzy and naive, but he's still pretty smart.
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>>82642634
John got to be a fighter even with a good parent. Dirk just crippled Dave's ability to do shit that isn't mumblerapping and watching his back.
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>>82642573
you just want me to post that one steelcorridor comic
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inversion theory is canon
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>>82642543
Are you telling me that Caliborn and Lord English don't incentivise people to act agains their best self interest, distinctively and more competently than any other character in the comic? It's not headcanon if it neatly fits canon and makes less assumptions that alternatives.

You'll probably be waiting forever.

>>82642552
I like to think Aranea is a biased and unreliable narrator, who if asked would define herself as a good cherub even though she behaviourally lines up with her own idea of bad.

Cherubs are much more interesting if bad ones are inherently violent, competetive and particularist/selfish, but not necessarily heartless cutthroat monsters/liars and so on. They are engineered to form the role of pruning mechanisms and weakness testers inside a universe, in tension with the good cherubs who act as an immune system and regulator.

Bad Cherubs can go off the rails and function as a virus, and good cherubs can go off the rails and function as a cancer. Balance, like Skaia and the Horrorterrors.
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>>82642678
the videogame abstraction shit was dropped in like the first 10% of the comic, why would it somehow keep applying to john?
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>>82642611
>>82642690
He deosnt need to be dumb is the point im making. Terezi could do it because she had bullshit mind powers. If john put like, one bucket of water on someones door somehwere it could have ended with everyone dead.
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>>82642509
>dave and karkat are knights
>only ones to break naming introdution in half
How I never caught this
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>>82642615
That doesn't make any sense. We've only seen two Cal dolls in comic, one of which was shown to make one Doc Scratch. The others must've come from other Cals, inserted into other universes.

Those Cals could both supply the ectoslime needed to make Scratch, AND sacrifice their eyes to possess another. Not that this is entirely necessary - it's just an option.
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>>82642736
>Are you telling me that Caliborn and Lord English don't incentivise people to act agains their best self interest, distinctively and more competently than any other character in the comic?
I'm telling you it doesn't make sense to assume that's what a Lord "does." You can/t assume anything about classes or aspects. You will be wrong.
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>>82642768
ara's aras
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if breath isn't freedom which aspect is
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>>82642768
God damn she thicc
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>>82642796
light
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>>82642618
I'd promote this. Although Yoko is more dippy/loola-land mad and Halftruth is touchy-screetchy hypocrite, they both lack keen self-awareness.
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>>82642573
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>>82642796
Life.
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>>82642768
Goddamn
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>>82642573
Why aren't my parents John and Roxy;_;
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>>82642818
>I'd promote this.
?
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>>82642796
time
gaining control over the one thing that controls everyone
true freedom
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>>82642677
You might not have noticed, but Equius is a thirteen year old, and no-where near as musclebound as either adult Darkleer or Lord English.

We've only seen Lord English at one age - indeterminately-old adult. The first time a Doc Scratch emerged as English, it was probably just a slightly older Caliborn in white suspenders, with Equius's shown level of muscularity - high, and functionally very strong, but not tanklike yet in bulk. Lord English would then gradually age with each incarnation until we have the modern reality.
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>>82642830
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>>82642830
>the letters spell out ABORTION
it's the little things
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>>82642787
The "bad juju" inside Cal cannot be replicated. It doesn't have to be the same doll, but it has to be the same juju inside the doll. The theory is that the timeline looks like this:

1. Roxy sends Cal (with bad juju) into the void
2. During this period, the bad juju travels through countless universes, creating many Englishes
3. Gamzee summons Cal from the void, miraculously still containing the bad juju, and uses it to create Doc Scratch in his own universe.
4. The doll ends up with B2 Jack and finally transfers its essence to him, creating Union Jack.

This is the only way I can see it working out.
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>>82642900
Wait till you find out what it took to make that kid!
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>>82642789
When you can make exactly the same sorts of thematic reductions for all other characters, and when Caliborn is intended to serve as demonstration for his special traits in the game setting among other things, you can bet your boondollar it's feasible.

I take it you hate science.
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Why did Hussie make all the A1 kids and trolls 13? They all act and look at least 2 years older than that
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>>82642867
>Aradia will never abuse her time powers to turn your life into an eternity of hell from which you have no escape as you're driven mad to a state of animal-like existence, from with death will never deliver you

sign..........
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>>82642736
I wonder if cherubs can ever go through role reversals, like how viruses can end up forming symbiotic relationships with their hosts and the immune system can end up attacking the body and giving people shit like MS and lupus.
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>>82642866
? to you dude. Promote means support, what isn't clear?
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>>82642928
Could've been worse. They were originally going to be 10.
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i think aradia would be a good mother!
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>>82642924
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>>82642958
why not just say you agree instead of phrasing it so weird
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>>82642924
Would Roxy be ok with John having BlackRom with Terezi?
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>>82642924
why
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>>82642990
No, Roxy wouldn't want anyone else touching her John.
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>>82642922
When Jack is killed, the bad juju would return to the void, potentially in the form of Lil Cal once more, right?
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>>82642830
>>82642924
i think it's this guy shit which made me dislike rose. like somekind of fucked up conditioning
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>>82642962
Stop and think for one second. All of you. Imagine. IMAGINE how different this disaster would have been if they were all 10 instead of 13. I don't think we'd have heard a fucking wink of romantic bullshit that drowned half the comic to death.
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>>82642922
Yes, it can. The same way anything can be replicated by ectobiology, alchemy and so on. Doc Scratch is derived from the JuJu Lil' Cal, but is his own, seperate JuJu. Think of it that way.

Additionally/Alternatively: Lil Cal alone doesn't impart all of Lord English's personality, or not completely. Union Jack was mostly just angry and wouldn't have had Lord English's ability to follow an agenda or converse, and/or Jack's personality still shone through. Only the Scratch method leaves English unmolested.
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>>82643007
I don't see why that would be the case but I guess anything is possible at this point.
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>>82642990
She knows.
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>>82641892
English's general MO is causing the destruction of universes. What he's doing in Act 6 is a detour from that, because he found out that Calliope's ghost was out there and could potentially be used against him. Perhaps because of A2 Doc Scratch's knowledge of dream bubbles.
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>>82643003
Would she fight Terezi to keep her John?
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>>82643023
It'd be way better

Kids and fun >>>>> Teens and drama
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>>82642881
Yes, because English got bigger and buffer by destroying universes, which he would have done whether Equius was a part of him or not.
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>>82642748
a lot of shit in homestuck carries on mirroring video games long after the suggestion boxes closed. doomed timelines are supposed to be times that a 'player' fucked up, lost, and returned to a save point. game over/collide are supposed to be the bad and good ends. classpects are just video game as fuck.

john representing a agency-less player character (with a variety of in-universe 'players') is really consistent throughout the comic right up until terezi takes control of him for the retcon and vriska takes full control of everything for the end
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>>82642990
Yes, but both her and John know that humans can't actually have hate romance. It's a lie they tell themselves to keep together.
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>>82642940
That's basically exactly what I was proposing. Showing this would do a lot more to balance Calliope and Caliborn, and endear the former while castigating the latter. Hussie would be showing rather than telling.

That said, if Aranea's word is absolute canon the good cherubs are just straight-up morally correct and vice-versa. Which unlike the contrast between Horrorterrors and Skaia, and Derse and Prospit, makes no sense.
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>>82643050
Obviously they'd both reach a pacifist agreement and Roxy would materialize another John using her bullshit-ass powers. She'd also hand one over for Rose and (Vriska) while at it
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>>82642924
if they can make male kids that means one of them has to have a Y chromosome :^)
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>>82643027
>Yes, it can. The same way anything can be replicated by ectobiology, alchemy and so on.
Not for Jujus. Remember, when the lil cal doll was duplicated by the scratch, only one of them kept the bad juju inside. The other one was left empty, and that's the version that ended up with Dirk.
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>>82643051
>three day delay turned into a 7 year nightmare
>Hussie doomed his comic the second he let just three days pass by
>We will never see the true 4/10 timeline
>Instead we got this
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>>82642978
That depends on using "promote" to mean "support and proliferate" being weird. Proof's on you.
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>>82643092
Would Rose dress her John up as a woman so it doesn't feel weird?
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>>82643065
Now you're just repeating yourself and ignoring earlier parts of the discussion.
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>>82643141
No, her being exposed to John's homo-repelling aura would turn her straight and she'd dunk Kanaya to the trash where she belongs
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>>82643173
Jane restored a guy who got decapitated
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>>82642748
Right up until it's end Homestuck was a heavy video game-extrapolated, abstracted and consolidated story. Nothing was "dropped" in the first 10% of the story.
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>>82643173
Jane... well her only power was a one-time Life spell. That was it. And I guess being 20 pounds of pussy and ass tittymonster too.
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>>82643148
It is absurd to think Equius was an essential aspect of LE growing muscular when we saw male cherubs are ripped regardless.
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>>82643173
Life was shown rezzing peeps and also stealing life from LE as an attack during collide
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>>82642790
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>>82643103
Yes for JuJus. Making a second one is different from using it as an ingredient. Doc Scratch is a seperate JuJu.
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>>82643173
Life is just healing. I want to know more about Blood and Doom, and what the fuck Mages do.
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>>82642640
Well the hackneyed thing is usually for the big bad guy to get beaten in a spectacular fashion and then come back later through some loophole. Hussie didn't even do the first part.
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>>82643165
>>82643207
>tfw no seal consorts
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>>82643173
Thems the breaks when you have the healing aspect, just have to imagine the way it works differs depending on the class. For instance, Meenah's Life powers seem focused on stealing life from others, whilst Janes were obviously focused on healing the injuries of others.
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>>82643173
the life aspects metaphorical influence on jane was making her a fucking GREAT baker
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>>82643225
What, you don't?
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>>82643214
It is absurd, which is why at no point have I argued that and indeed have stated several times to the contrary. Perhaps you should examine arguments better.
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>>82643241
Blood is something to do with vitality and bonds. Maybe. Doom is... like... I guess the dark power of Time with dooming and death. Maybe. Mages appear to be a counterpart to Seers. Probably.

You're Welcome
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why were those posts deleted?
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>>82643273
Not that guy, but I don't get all this craze for Aradia
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>>82643285
Janitors are allowed to do whatever they want and there's no actual way for them to be held accountable.
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>>82643284
i hate this chart it's stupid like all charts
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>>82643285
the pokemon ones because they're not related to the topic
fuck knows why the jane one was deleted. Probably "cuck" in the sentence got the hotpocket slaves triggered
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>>82643285
Can't wait for my 3-day all-board ban!
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>>82643314
Yeah it is but it's colorful
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>>82643230
I don't know what you're trying to argue. Are you suggesting that Doc Scratch can be created from an empty cal doll?

I'm not saying that creating Doc Scratch makes the juju inert. Go back and read my posts. I'm saying the juju has to travel through a billion universes to create a billion Doc Scratches, and it's very unlikely that the juju wouldn't become inert at some point in one of those universes.
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>>82643321
>hotpocket slaves
what
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>>82643214
'essential'? no. but equius's one special trait is that he is notably strong. even if english picks up strength from other places as well, there is some base level of strength or strength multiplier that comes from the fact that he is part equius.
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>>82642922
>>82643027
There can only be one, which is why the scratch creates a hollow Juju, Doc Scratch is technically a separate Juju, and Calliope says that alchemizing her Juju is literally summoning it. But there can only be one Lord English, not multiple literal copies, because of the fact that he keeps more ripped with each universe he consumes, and if we are to believe his defeat can ever hold any meaning. Having two LEs in a room is more like having two Daves than two Aradias: they are just the same dude on different points of his personal timeline.

So Cal flops from universe to universe, and is used to call Lord English into each one, but there has to be some way for LE to get back inside the Juju, or at the very least use it as a gateway, or else Cal flopping around would only work once, despite the fact that it is stated that he uses Cal to enter many universes. So there's not really any reason to think that Union Jack had to be the end point for the bad juju.

I kind of lost where I was going with this
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>>82643284
Mages are the active counterpart to Seer right? Sollux could see into the future, but i don't really remember him telling others about the shit he saw so there's that
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>>82643348
the janitors, also known as princes of breath
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>>82643369
see >>82643347
I understand the distinction between using the juju as an ingredient and transferring its essence to another entity. But the process for transferring its essence is so easy that it should have happened already by the time Union Jack is created.
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>>82643374
whooooo knooooooooows

>Hey Hussie people clearly like this game thing, how about they play the game and explain stuff
>No. Now watch these 1000 pages of Jane shaking her tits over how much she wants to fuck Jake while Karkat cries in a 40 minute flash.
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>>82643338
That needs quite a lot of updating.

Has anyone ever noticed that yellow is used as a colour for explosions and gunshots throughout the comic? I feel I should've mentioned this already, it's quite distinctive.
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>>82631381
When Hussie decided Dave being exactly what people assumed he was was profitable.

Remember when people thought Rose's mom was a vicious alcoholic because Rose said so? Like imagine if Hussie went "yeah rose's mom beat her with a wine bottle all day and she hates her and that makes her quitting on her friends and heroic destiny okay." that's what happened to Dave because fans will move mountains for a woobie to comfort.
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>>82643394
>princes of breath
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Also why do you guys keep saying Doc Scratch is a Juju? He isn't.
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>>82643457
Careful. Posting Eridan stuff will net you a 3 day ban.
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>>82643409
i dont think that going all jack english is a guaranteed result of looking in cals eyes. plenty of characters stare in cals eyes and nothing happens apart from some kind of hypnosis or uneasy feeling. caliborn had jack up on the screen and was staring through cal into jack when jack went mad, it was a unique situation
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>>82643374
I like to think that seers guide others by informing them of what path they should take going forward, whilst Mages take it upon themselves to forge out that path actively. Sollux was pretty active in saving the trolls whilst also dooming them at the same time, given he was the one who primarily adapted sburb from the ruins.
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>>82643394
what does hotpocket slave mean then
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>>82643457
>destroyers of not-freedom
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>>82643409
Either LE decided to enter Jack for some reason as Lil Cal's final destination, or it's no big deal because Cal will still resurface somehow.

Or Jack wasn't even possessed by the essence, just really pissed off and granted powers by Cal the same way LE granted powers to the Handmaid and the Condesce.
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>>82641187
Undertale was a clever game with an interesting concept that it executed well. Ironically, I think Homestuck's biggest strength was Undertale's greatest weakness. I had a hard time connecting with any of the main characters because their dialogue was so shallow and kind of sterile. In fact I had found it difficult not to actively dislike some of the characters I was supposed to find endearing. When Hussie wrote an annoying weeaboo character we all ended up adoring her anyways, and when he made a character who was spineless and shy we initially felt sorry for him, and when he later became unbearable the jokes were at his expense, giving him appeal as a joke character. But when Toby did something similar it was like hitting us over the head with "you should find this irritating behavior endearing because you're also probably an awkward nerd and can relate". It just felt so inauthentic.

If only we could combine Hussie's stellar character writing with Radiation's cohesive story telling. Then we might have a winner.
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>>82643457
they destroy freedom of posting, it makes perfect sense
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we got to page 10 already huh
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>>82643476
janitors have been deleting shit all week
can't even talk about what smut im going to draw
no warnings though
im at least going to use my eri reactions
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>>82643544
Must be all the Homestuck 2.0 hype!
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http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002657
This is the same guy who made vriskagram.
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>>82643527
>stellar character writing
all the characters in the story fall through the categories of Cool dude, badass dude or weenie
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>>82643489
yeah I guess your right
still feels like SOMETHING should have happened to the juju in all of those universes though
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>>82643347
No, and frankly that's a crazy assumption. Doc Scratch and Cal contain versions of LE's soul, so naturally something containing LE's soul is needed to alchemize/ectobiologize something else.

At first you were using the JuJu to define the essence of Lord English's soul, and not literally Cal itself, so I abstained from comment. But now it seems that you ARE saying that you think exactly one Cal is travelling from universe to universe. This is the problem: that isn't happening. The original Cal in the void never leaves, it simply inserts its prescence into other universes via Gamzee's powers. Infinite Lil Cal can exist, each of which can come to bear LE's soul.
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>>82643585
Hussie didn't make vrikagram. He farmed it out to people who still thought he was worth a fuck.
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>>82643585
lies
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>>82643629
>The original Cal in the void never leaves, it simply inserts its prescence into other universes via Gamzee's powers. Infinite Lil Cal can exist, each of which can come to bear LE's soul.
Probably one of the best ways to make sense of it.
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>>82643594
That's not exactly true, but as gimmicky as they sometimes are they still feel real and likable because of how well he writes their dialogue. The pesterlogs/dialoguelogs are without a doubt one of the best parts of homestuck, comparable only to Hussie's landporn.
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>>82643369
Where is it stated that Lord English consumes universes?

Lord English gets ripped because he gets older and keeps on fighting stronger enemies harder and harder. He's growing into an adult cherub, with some assistance via Equius.
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>>82643527
characters are more important than story, so Homestuck is better than undertale
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>>82643394
Janitors are Maids of Rage, eternally maintaining and sustaining conflict
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>>82643693
Well that's true, mostly in the earlier parts. Past act 6 act whatever all the characters 'scept a handful become a joke
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>>82643527
Alphys was a mistake and there's no question about that. She is the Jane of Undertale.11
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>>82643489
What with circumstantial simultaneity and all, it could be that one glare was good enough for any other instance of possession that LE finds useful for himself. Whenever someone peers into Cal's eyes and the soul within goes "yep, this is possession fodder", the Rainbow Magic turns on and they possess away.
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>>82643738
I liked Alphys because she was believably loathsome, but I still liked her by the end since she was at least trying.
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>>82643726
i think that the alpha kids dialogue have good dialogue if you like soaps like i do
except jake
Jake's writing got so shitty atfer a while
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>>82643629
Putting aside everything else you said except this:
>each of which can come to bear LE's soul.
This is the part I disagree with. We've been told that you can't "copy" a Juju, and evidence from the comic supports this (the scratched version of lil cal). What makes you think it can work like this?
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can believe janitors deleted my aras
any requests and ill try and get them out before the thread dies
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>>82643760
>Hey guys do you like this kid
>why not have him speak in old-timey english that sure as fuck wont get obnoxious 2 acts in
>brilliant idea right guys?
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>>82643662
Cheers famm. Cal himself is stated as being inextricably entangled with the void after all, it would be weird for him to be able to leave or being uncovered (where it explicitly says otherwise).
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>>82643779
aradia holding her wiggler with anon
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>>82643760
BOY HOWDY!!!!
>repeat 90,000 times

I still think it would have been a funny twist if it turned out that the kids made each other. Like, it turns out that Rose and Dave combined make Roxy and Dirk. And then vice versa. Same with the other four. Infinite incest loop.
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>>82643779
Well, threads going to go down imminently. But perhaps for next thread an action ready Nepeta in a sports bra would be much appreciated.
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>>82643779
That you loki?
If so you have a link to the other lewd stuff you did?
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>>82643760
jake was always awful
we just wanted to believe he was going to get good
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>>82643738
She was the worst of it, but Papyrus just toed the line between annoying and amusing with me, and I personally felt pretty ambivalent towards Undyne.
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>>82643762
Cal and LE can each still follow their own internal timeline in terms of what they do, preventing any actual instances of there being more than one.
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>>82643779
Rose dressed up as Dave to try and seduce a pregnant jade
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>>82643762
Saying this in light of the fact that we've discussed and concurred on the fact that Lil Cal can be physically duplicated: the fact that JuJu's magic cannot be duplicated is unconnected from the ability of Cal to become a vessel for souls, which is its established intrinsic property.
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>>82643831
they were all awful save Roxy

I fuckin' hated Dirk too and wish he had been clubbed down a few more dozen pegs
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>>82643694
Huh. I don't think it's ever stated, as far as I can find, I don't know where I got the idea from.
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>>82643823
not loki, sorry

>>82643819
i'll try
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>>82643825
>nepetas displaced boob
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>>82643790
>>82643809
not just that, but originally he used to rp and have his actions in text
it complemented his stupid english and made it worth reading but he stopped and he's JUST an annoying fuck now
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>>82643904
He literally turns into a joke, the comic even admits it. At one point he's just a fancy word spitting machine, and never gets a chance to develop as a character
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>>82643831
i totally loved jake until a6a5. he starts out super blustery and fun. old timey shit is fucking funny and thats that. i read the whole of act 6 pretty recently and didnt even realise other people dont like him.
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>>82643869
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003992

"Predation" is open to interpretation of course. It could mean he loots them.
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>>82643114
>Proof's on you.
?
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>>82643861
I think I understand what you are saying now. The "bad juju" essence of the souls follows an independent path from vessel, so the doll can be created in many universes, and the "bad juju" can eventually travel to that universe and inhabit the doll.

But still, you end up with basically the same problem. The soul juju can't be duplicated. It has to travel that entire distance as a single entity.
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Go watch Overlord

It's an anime about an evil skeleton lord who goes around conquering another universe after he was originally just a guy who wanted to play a game.
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>>82643809
Yeah I'd have liked this, if the roundabout of the Scratch make Skaia improvise and say "Okay! Your confusing origin is now retroactively X instead of Y because otherwise this wouldn't make sense."

However, it would've stopped Hussie from making the plot point about Beforus being Catch-22'd into losing the game, scratching and summoning LE. UNLESS -

- The Beforan troll's ectobiologised copies of all 24 trolls, but sent only the ones of their ancestors to Beforus and themselves to Alternia
- Karkat also ectobiologised copies of all 24 trolls, but sent their ancestors to Beforus, and only him and his friends arrived on Alternia

This would be impractical to display or distinguish from normal and successful Ectobiology, but would otherwise justify the Beforan Scratch.
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>>82643988
>anime
Nah.
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>>82643890
What if she's from a PS1 game and having z-fighting issues and integer coordinates? Why would you bully poor nep for that, have some consideration.
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>>82643869
It was commonly theorised before we saw the creation of the Green Sun, and for some time afterwards less popularly as well. It was certainly my headcanon by the time I caught up with the comic in early '11. But it's pretty clear that Lord English invades universes:
- to Fuck Shit Up
- to ensure his own creation in a roundabout manner
He's basically just like Bec Noir in his rampage of destruction, only with enough (ie endless) forethought to stymie ennui.

Maybe that ennui finally caught up with him, which is why he went to his death in Act 7? Once last fuck you to a bunch of trolls and then bye.
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aradia
aradia
aradia
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>>82643988
Overlord only gets props for being better than every other MMO anime by default, having a fucking skeleton be the main character, and for Sebas being amazing.
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>>82643890
Teach your young troll titty control etiquette today.
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I think Hussie may not have thought through all the way how Cal/English leaves a universe (are there infinite LEs?), but figured if he got most of the way there it wouldn't matter because so few fans would understand anyways.

>>82643809
that was what i assumed until we were otherwise shown
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>>82643994
they didnt know they were catch-22'd, it was just always inevitable that they would make the choice to scratch the session
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>liking any of the living characters in Act 6

How does it feel to have absolutely terrible taste?
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>>82643890
The stuff she's being stuffing in her bra is finally slipping out obviously.
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>>82644083
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXzFCS72QIA
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>>82644018
He has a horned handmaid who wants to bone him.
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>>82643988
>Overlord
MAI NIGGA
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>>82643976
Now you're just not following english. If it's a second language then that's okay, but you can't expect people to explain every turn of phrase to you.

>>82643985
Correct for the first sentence. As for the latter, remember that the original Lil Cal inhabits the Void, where there is no stable clearcut time and space. The soul could be slingshotting back and forth to and from universe-sessions and the Void from its perspective. When an individual Cal gets made, when that Cal becomes an LE (or contributes to one), if at all, and when that LE or Cal empties to empower another can happen in messed up orders. LE is exactly the kind of beast that can engineer this.
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WHY DID HUSSIE SAVE SLICK JUST TO KILL HIM
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>>82644083
at least you always have caliborn, huh mr. edgy?
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>>82644054
The light novels are even better, because so much detail had to be cut out, but I understand nobody having time for that.
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>>82644124
he brought him back for fanservice for the intermission idiots
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>>82644145
>intermission idiots
Hold the fucking phone
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>>82644116
>listening to that right now
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>>82644117
>The soul could be slingshotting back and forth to and from universe-sessions and the Void from its perspective.
This is just speculation though, right? I don't like the idea that when English dies, his soul just automatically teleports back to the vessel out in the void. Seems too convenient.
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>>82643988
I remember seeing a gif of that about a year ago and being mildly amused.

It's funny how Japs have a way of liking the same stuff we do, but in a different way. I've always thought westerners found different things to enjoy about the same scenes and story arcs in manga that the JP audience, and with stuff like MMO anime and entire franchises based on recounting RP sessions it seems it goes both ways.
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>>82644083
Roxy is alright.
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>>82644168
hurr hurr he shoot him a lot so fahny
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>>82644083
>liking any of the living characters in Act 6
are you implying that that its better to like the dead characters?
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>>82643947
Remember when Sollux was a character who was relevant? Yeah, me neither.
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>>82644234
there are no good characters who make it into the end of the story
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