ATLA/TLOK

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>>82558588

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>>82558604

Thanks op

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>>82558710
The End

>>82558588
please no

>>82558588
>actually pointing out how she bends everything in fire/earth style
heh

>>82558633
>fish jerky
I-Is that a thing?

A-fucking-dorable.

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>>82558866
actually yes

>working on FCBD
>in tight with LCS, ask to hold some issues for me
>ask them to snag me Grant Morrison's Avatarex
>I get this instead
Honestly, I just laughed, it's a pretty good read and for free, who can complain?

>>82558866
Yes, yes it is with the right kind of fish.

>>82558866
Salmon jerky is better than sex.

And tastes like it too.

>>82558645
Babby Korra a qt

>Avatar Free Comic
>artwork doesn't looks like horrible shit
I'm already impressed

>>82559720
How bad were the other ones?

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>>82559751
They ranged between just plain old fuck ugly...

>>82559806
The worst thing you could have posted was the Toph/Ty Lee comic.

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>>82559806
... amateurish webcomic tier that doesn't suit the action/adventure genre...

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>>82559859
... and Palcomix

>>82559878
>>82559859
>>82559806
Jesus christ, dat QUALITY.

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>>82559720
Fun fact: Heather Campbell is the artist for the TF2 comics

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>>82560411
Her Avatar/Korra fanart is also great. Shame she stopped updating her tumblr.

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>>82561686

This is actually really sweet. I wish we got this kind of animal companionship in the show outside of Season 1. Even having this as a backstory filler short in Season one would've helped a lot.

>>82559878
Okay that is literally just Palcomix minus the diapers or spanking. Is the Brazilian sweatshop the makes up Palcomix moonlighting as an actual artist group?

>>82562105
Fuck I know. So many miss opportunities. Fuck Asami and her car.

>>82561686
I loved her Avatar fanart so much, it's really cool to see her get to officially do work for them.

>>82558621
oh, she is doing something retarded.

Again.

>>82558710
- it's a fucking Wild animal, Korra
- can i keep it?
- okay.

>>82562615
It's probably just some random group who does crappy anime style art. They are a dime a dozen.

Palcomix also has several artists, and most of them are not named. So it is entirely possible that they hired a guy who also happens to work at palcomix between jobs.

It's so fucking hilarious that somehow they managed to post a video online about where Palcomix makes their pictures, and it was ACTUALLY a Brazilian sweatshop. Like 6 guys back to back drawing awful anime porn.

>>82564729
..seriously? it's from where i live?

damn.. i'm sorry.

>>82558604
>polar bear dogs are wild animals
Didn't we see domesticated polar bear dogs in ATLA?

>>82558866

Man, Salmon Jerky it tastes like ambrosia delivered to you from Poseidon himself.

>>82565586
no
maybe eel hounds, but no polar bear dogs

That was cute. I miss Korra.

>>82564601
Avatar animal guide etc

>>82560411
>>82561686
Really wish they got her to do the ongoing comics. The current artist isn't really bad but it's just too cutesy.

>>82558588
They got one thing right, she definitely isn't the most dangerous.

>>82565939
Where would I even get salmon jerky?

>>82566204
According to google you can make your own or get some at trader joe's.

>>82566204
Grocery store. If it's not next to the rest of the jerky there you might have to resort to a specialty shop, health food store, or Whole Foods. Maybe an asian market?

>>82566131
They apparent replaced the Artist who was gonna do the Korra comics so hopefully they can actually get her.

>>82566440
People have been saying this on /co/ for awhile but googling it brought up nothing. Do you have an actual source for it?

>>82566479
Dont have a source, but apparently the artist confirmed it when asked on her twitter.

It could be bullshit but that would explain why the Korra comics were delayed.

>>82566751
They were delayed? I figure she would have done enough by now that they could start publishing on schedule.

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>>82560411
Fun fact: THE TF2 COMICS HAVEN'T UPDATED IN FUCKING FOREVER GOD DAMN IT VALVE

>>82566103
>Avatar animal guide etc
you know that's bullshit. Also, they 'agreed' before Katara said anything.

>>82567162
Who cares, Roku had a fucking dragon.

>>82567453
Wan and Kyoshi didn't have anything. Also, Aang's Bison is more of an airbender thing than avatar thing.

Also, the point is not only that it is dangerous, but Korra is, like, 5 years old. Roku was probably an adult when he got his spirit dragon. Arguably, the fact that it is also a spirit means it has... Some level of reasoning beyond wild animals.

>>82568410
Wan had the Deer thing though

>>82559256
Fuck, now I wish I weren't allergic to fish.

It's cute and fluff but...I just can't get over her character. "I'm the avatar deal with it!" Eugh, then proceeds to ignore any teachings or wisdom because "like, I'm the avatar, I can do ALL the shit in case you haven't noticed". And it felt like any time she got her butt kicked she just wallowed in self pity like a brat throwing a tantrum.
If anything doesn't go her way, she tried to find a work around to do it herself.

Ehh. Sorry I know that sounds petty and whining but my friend recently rewatched it and goes on and on about how 'it was great and I don't see how anyone can say it's bad"
He's a drama queen Himself so of course he doesn't see anything wrong with it...I just had to get that off my chest..

>>82558733
...I miss my dog.

>>82568410
Avatars tend to like having a animal companion. I think Katara was just tossing the idea out there to help korra out.

>>82558710
>Korra's parents trying to throw each other under the bus.

Adorable.

>>82568410
Wan had the deer thing and Kyoshi had a air bison though we only saw one instance of her long and illustrious career.

>>82573612
>Kyoshi had a air bison
Eh? When?

>>82573679
In the comic The Rift.

>>82558633
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>>82573707
That was Yangchen.

>>82572242
Bryke were probably like that when they were kids. The entire series is projecting the writers emotions, feelings, and lives all over the place.

>>82573806
Oh yeah

>>82573846
The Problems with Success.

>>82572242
I doubt they could have done anything else, that was her established personality, especially as a child. It would be weird to alter that here.

I liked it, it was cute and felt like it was Korra. Mostly though i'm happy they didn't shoehorn more korrasami into it.

If the actual LoK comics are like this i'd be pleasently surprised, but i doubt they're going to drop the shipping.

>>82561686
>>82561719

Must be a pretty damn cool thing to go from a fan of a franchise to being able to officially work on it.

Good art, expect Tonraq wasn't ridiculously attractive enough.

>>82571192
Cat Deer

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>>82558588
I want to FUCK that baby

>>82561686

I love Makani. It's a crime that we won't see her on a Beifong family comic. She just gets those characters. Her fanart for them always left me in stitches.

>>82572242
>Eugh, then proceeds to ignore any teachings or wisdom because "like, I'm the avatar, I can do ALL the shit in case you haven't noticed"

She actually developed past this by the end of the series, though. This was the core character flaw which she needed to overcome, and she did. She didn't even want to fight Kuvira at all in S4.

>>82577359
>She didn't even want to fight Kuvira at all in S4.
So? She still believed she had to stop Kuvira as the avatar, which would suggest she in fact didn't move past the idea that she is the only one who could do it properly.

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>>82561686
>Makani has twice now made official comics for franchises that she made fanart for

Lucky.

>>82576471
>but i doubt they're going to drop the shipping.
They already confirmed that they are not

>>82578487
As expected then, and that's a shame.

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>>82577131
Lets not do this again

So when's that comic that justifies Korrasami coming out?

I'm looking forward to the shitstorming.

>>82578626
In true tumblr fashion, the artist got "depressed" and taken off the comic

>>82577457
Which is why she didn't believe she was the only one who could stop Kuvira. She had the "we had to give them something to do" group with her.
It made some sense to have them in seasons 1,2,and 3 since they split up to attack Amon's group on two fronts, in 2 they guarded her body, and in 3 they fucked around while she got fucked up waiting for them.

>>82579585
Then why was it that Korra was the only one who could face Kuvira? Because in the show it was because it was the job of the avatar.

And in fact Korra did want to fight Kuvira after her visit to Zaheer, but they hadn't planned for the mech and had to improvise. Then they came up with a plan to get Korra close enough to Kuvira to end the fight, no one else was even considered for taking her out.

>>82572770
> I think Katara was just tossing the idea out there to help korra out
And the next day, they find her dead, eaten by a polar bear dog. It's just stupid to allow that.

>>82579637
>in fact Korra did want to fight Kuvira
not him, but i wonder about that.

I mean, Korra didn't have a Reason to fight Kuvira. People simply told her to fight and she did.

>>82579703
Maybe Katara knew the type of Avatar she's become.

>>82579741
She was sad when Tenzin didn't want her to go save Jinora. She also gathered up the RC army and went out to destroy rail tracks to slow Kuvira down. And when Raiko surrendered Korra abducted Bataar to make Kuvira back off. Ever since she talked to Zaheer Korra was determined to keep Kuvira out of RC whatever it took.

And as i said, she took it upon herself to be the one to confront Kuvira in the control room. It seemed like a given to her and the group.

>>82579766
just saying she could get a wild animal When she becomes that avatar.

>>82579842
>She was sad when Tenzin didn't want her to go save Jinora. She also gathered up the RC army and went out to destroy rail tracks to slow Kuvira down
i'm not questioning if she did it, i'm saying that she didn't have a reason to fight of her own (at least not until RC was attacked). Everything before giant mecha was just Korra fighting 'because people want her to fight'.

>>82579916
Well she wanted to prove to herself and others that she was back, that the Avatar was back. That's one of her reasons to fight Kuvira. Another would be the freedom of RC and the Earth Kingdom (granted she didn't do much for the EK after getting rid of Kuvira).

>>82579703
>And the next day, they find her dead, eaten by a polar bear dog. It's just stupid to allow that.

The adults did come off just as stupid as the teenagers. In that regard LoK was consistent.

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>>82558692
So even as an infant Korra was an irresponsible fuckwit with no regards for consequences... and her parents never disciplined her. No wonder I hated the series

>>82580030
To be fair though aren't most children "irresponsible fuckwit with no regards for consequences"?

>>82580074
She kept that persona through to adulthood. And her parents, guardians, teachers, and others around her were even more daft.

Though that anon was probably Mozart or someone.

Aren't we supposed to be getting a real Korra comic sometime too?

>>82580120
Depending on how long the powers that be knew about Brittany Williams biting off more than she could chew, the comic may have been pushed back. If any information is coming up it would be at San Diego Comic Con.

>>82580074
Yes, which is why adults have a responsibility to correct them before they injure themselves or others.

>>82558710
Man, Korra had terrible parents. No wonder she's a screw-up.

>>82580103
>>82580239
I'd agree with that. Just wanted to say that i don't find it strange that Korra acted like that as a child.

tfw they ran out of this and i was there by 2 hours late

>>82579947
>she wanted to prove to herself and others that she was back, that the Avatar was back. That's one of her reasons to fight Kuvira
that would be a reason to fight, not with Kuvira. Also, it would be an extremely selfish reason.

>Another would be the freedom of RC and the Earth Kingdom
EK is in the exact same situation with Kuvira than before, if not better. RC was only threatened by the end of it.

>>82577457
Yea because someone raised that the Avatar has certain responsibilities and wanting to fulfill those doesn't make sense.

>>82582293
> not with Kuvira
Kuvira had an army parked outside RC and had developed MWD. Seems like a pretty good reason to take her down when she is threatening peace on a global scale.

>EK is in the exact same situation with Kuvira than before, if not better.
She conquered her own nation, and from their opinions it wasn't that great to be used for her warmachine. Though i agree they wasn't well off before or after either.

>>82582400
I don't mind her fighting Kuvira. But saying she needed to not think being the avatar means she has to and can handle these things is wrong. It was also wrong to say she didn't want to fight Kuvira when she did.

A major character flaw that was never adressed would have been that just because Korra could beat the bad guy, beating them doesn't actually solve the issue.

>>82561719
>Bumi?
>Kya?

Who the fuck are the other three?

>>82582734
Tenzin and the beifongs?

>>82582734
Guessing it's Tenzin, Lin and SuYin

>>82582753
>>82582800

The Beifongs I might could see. But I doubt that'd be Tenzin. He shouldn't have hair.

>>82582914
He hasn't shaved it yet.

>>82582930

He grew up strictly on Air Nomad traditions and customs. He should've had his head shaved consistently since early childhood.

>>82579916
> Everything before giant mecha was just Korra fighting 'because people want her to fight'.

Korra actually refused to fight Kuvira, even on Su Jin's demands, until after Kuvira proclaimed herself empress and was ramming down Zao Fu's door. She was defending the freedom of a state that was being invaded.

>>82582532
>A major character flaw that was never adressed would have been that just because Korra could beat the bad guy, beating them doesn't actually solve the issue.
I kind of thought that was what the whole final confrontation with Kuvira was about- she was clearly beaten but she wasn't willing to give up until Korra talked to her.

>>82583084
It's fanart bruh, maybe Makani felt like seeing what Tenzin looked like with hair.

>>82583113
Didn't do a good job though since the problem is still present. Removing Kuvira doesn't fix the power vacuum issue of the EK, and introducing democracy like they did to an area filled bandits and warlords is going to end the same way it did with Kuvira.

Also Korras talk with Kuvira imo didn't seem to do anything, Kuvira had allready given up before they started talking.

>>82582532
>Kuvira had an army parked outside RC
i'm kind of talking about why fight Kuvira before that. If we're talking about RC, it's Korra's 'home', so there is plenty of reasons to defend it. But before that she decided to fight Kuvira for no reason other than "well, since you guys asked.."

>had developed MWD
wat?

>Seems like a pretty good reason to take her down when she is threatening peace on a global scale
RC is hardly global. The conflict stayed inside Earth nation all the time, with land that was stolen from the Earth kingdom. The only act "against another nation" was against RC, and because it was land that Aang kind of took from the EK.

>She conquered her own nation
yeah, they need a leader.. and?

>from their opinions it wasn't that great to be used for her warmachine
opinions literally doesn't matter in ANY country. If you decide now to stop paying taxes and not to be part of your country, do you think they will just shut you up, or let you take your home and start a new country?

>>82583181
>Removing Kuvira doesn't fix the power vacuum issue of the EK, and introducing democracy like they did to an area filled bandits and warlords is going to end the same way it did with Kuvira.
Oh yeah I can agree there, the ending really should have been about the Krew deciding to head to the EK to try and help instead of the ending we did get. They really got too caught up in trying to recreate ATLA's ending with Kataang that they failed to realized they made pretty much everyone, Korra and Asami especially, look like selfish assholes.

>>82583103
>Korra actually refused to fight Kuvira
No. She said that "she needed to talk with Kuvira first".

Her talk was "kuvira, you have to stop". That's hardly 'refusing to fight'. That's basically threatening Kuvira if she does not stop.

>Kuvira proclaimed herself empress and was ramming down Zao Fu's door
Zaofu is part of the Earth kingdom that was refusing to join. There is no such thing as 'freedom' in this case. As i said before, it's like you're deciding on your own to stop paying taxes and create your own country. You can't do that.

>>82583256
I think the whole situation was intentionally written in a way that Korra couldn't win and by no fault of her own. She's been out of the loop for three years, has barely fought or interacted with anyone, and she gets dumped between Zaofu and Kuvira and gets told "fix it" with her only argument being "well, Su doesn't trust Kuvira".

Now if Korra had known about something like the prison camps (which maybe she could have stumbled across) things could have gone differently, but as it was portrayed, there was really nothing Korra could do and it's more the writers' fault instead of her's.

>>82583206
Kuvira was coming to take over RC through violence, they knew this because Bolin and the Beifongs saw the WMD (the Lazor) and Zhu li could tell them the invasion was coming.

>RC is hardly global.
The fire nation had pledged to come defend the URN should they need it. The watertribes most likely would aswell so the invation would spark a global war. Also Aang, Zuko and the Earth King agreed to form a new country, nothing was taken/stolen.

>if you decide now to stop paying taxes and not to be part of your country,
There's a difference between my country wanting my taxes, and another country i don't live in wanting my taxes. And no, taking my taxes by force doesn't justify taking them.
Also Kuvira had a deal with the world, which she broke, making her claim to the EK invalid. She basicly enslaved the EK people.

>>82583243
For sure. I think that Korra should have learned better (or clearer at the very least) that violence doesn't fix the core problem. And i certainly don't feel like she did even if she spared Kuvira.

>>82583407
I think she DID learn that violence doesn't solve everything, she just doesn't know how to put that in to practice. I'm not counting Kuvira because "omg we're so alike!" was dumb, Korra barely interacted with Kuvira there was no way she could to come to that conclusion.

>>82561719
Damn,an actually excelent LoK fan art. It's fuckin' cool,thanks for sharing.

>>82583506
I'm not sure, she did seem to default to "fight the bad guy" in every season, and then hoping everything would be fixed afterwards. Though i agree there was starting to be some development coming, i just think Bryke dropped it.

>>82560411
I do not remember this page

>>82583407
>Kuvira was coming to take over RC through violence, they knew this because Bolin and the Beifongs saw the WMD
at that point Korra didn't know of this. They only knew Kuvira was planning to attack later on the season, and had little time to prepare. My point is the starting motivation for Korra to antagonize Kuvira.

>The fire nation had pledged to come defend the URN should they need it
there was no 'pledge'. Actually, the fire lady herself said she wouldn't do anything ('needless war', she called it). And i doubt the water tribes would care for a war on the other side of the globe.

>Aang, Zuko and the Earth King agreed to form a new country
the thing is, it is not shown the Earth king agreeing to this in the comics. Also, Aang was very demmanding on this. He didn't 'ask', he straight out created a division between RC and the EK. Not only that, for years later on the earth queen, and Kuvira, referred to this as "stolen".

>and another country i don't live in
Zaofu and the regions were part of the EK. Just because it is in chaos doesn't make it less of a kingdom.

>taking my taxes by force doesn't justify taking them
yeah, go discuss that with your government.

>Kuvira had a deal with the world, which she broke
she decided to take charge of the EK, which i doubt is a bad thing considering the alternative.

>>82583833
>My point is the starting motivation for Korra to antagonize Kuvira.
They did, because they rescued people who saw the weapon and people who worked with Kuvira who could tell them about it.

>needless war
Isn't needless to protect your allies, from someone who very likely would become a future threat to yourself. And considering how much the watertribes cared about Varrick blowing up a building in RC i think they would most definately care to aid RC.

> referred to this as "stolen"
Fact is it wasn't stolen when they were given their independance by the rightfull king of the area. They might've disagreed with doing it, but it was done at that time.

>Just because it is in chaos doesn't make it less of a kingdom.
You're right, but Kuvira ended the Earth Kingdom. None of the former EK areas owe her anything anymore. Especially not Zaofu, which the beifongs bought from the earth kingdom.

>go discuss that with your government.
I'm talking about a foreign government. And if i don't like my current taxation, i can apply to become a citizen of a different one.

>which i doubt is a bad thing considering the alternative.
She invalidated her claim to the EK by breaking the deal she had made with the rightful owner of it (Wu). Then she tried to abolish it further invalidating her claim the the land.

So in fact Korra had good reason to fight Kuvira over lands that Kuvira had stolen from it's people and Prince, and to protect other countries from suffering the same.

>>82558733
I have a Great Pyrenees sleeping at my feet right now as I read this page.

Feelsgoodman

>>82558588
>Attacks an old woman teaching you how to bend water
What a spoiled little shit. No surprise she turned out a dyke.

>>82558866
I was raised on fish jerky

>>82561719
that fucking hoverhand

>>82583601
It's an extra page she drew

>>82558733
Thought it was cute.

>>82584448
Lin does look like she's about to break a stalagmite off in someone's ass. I'd be reluctant to lay a hand on her too.

Is it sad that that comic was better written than the entirety of season 2?

>>82561719
Bumi could have been such a cool older brother
>respected commander in United Forces
>"wild man"
>looking fit and exuberant in his first appearance

>then actually introduced properly in the show
>fat, sniveling bumbler
>no one respects him
>not even suddenly gaining airbending makes him important

I hate Korra.

>>82558733

>that feel when I cremated my dog two weeks ago

>had that The Boys moment where I call for him but realize he's not coming

FUCK.

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>>82561719

>Tenzin hoverhanding Lin

>>82583256
But there was no EK at that point. The old monarch died, the new one usurped, and no one else acted as regent or formed any other central government like what had been destroyed.

While Kuvira was the closest thing to a government the anarchic Earth country had at that point, she couldn't do shit unless the various states signed a huge contract waiving their rights and land to her. Zhao Fu never signed such a contract, so not only did they have no obligations to her, but she later appealed to them as a foreign government. It was in every way an invasion.

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>>82559878
this is not okay

>>82566751

Whoever said this is bullshitting. She's still on board.

>>82584025
>They did
the starting motivation for Korra was literally Opal and the kids saying: "you HAVE to fight Kuvira"

>Isn't needless to protect your allies
go discuss it with her.

>Fact is it wasn't stolen
Aang literally demmanded in the comic that it should be set free, and we have no word from the earth king on the matter so you can't claim it was set free. What we have is later people telling that the land was stolen.

>but Kuvira ended the Earth Kingdom
the government changing doesn't mean the country is not the same anymore. Do you really think the death of a king or the end of a dynasty means the end of the "contract"?

>She invalidated her claim to the EK by breaking the deal she had made with the rightful owner of it
you fail do explain how exactly taking the government out of Wu's hands is something bad. Also, the whole point of the argument is Korra's motivations. I don't think Korra was fighting "to put Wu in the throne", or if she even thought that far ahead.

>>82586111
One of the many many things LOK did wrong was introduce too many potentially interesting characters and either completely fuck them up or just out right ignore them.

>>82586777
>But there was no EK at that point
the country doesn't die because the king died, or because someone else took power. Do you chose not to be part of the United States anymore if Trump gets elected, for example?

>>82587036
>"you HAVE to fight Kuvira"
Oh that part. At that one Kuvira was threatening to invade a free city and enslave it's people with her army parked outside. And Kuvira was offered to leave but chose not to.

>What we have is later people telling that the land was stolen.
The Earth King is shown to see the happy people, and that says he needs to see followed by Zuko being right. He and Zuko set free the colonies and they then built RC. The land wasn't stolen despite what the greedy queen said or what power hungry Kuvira thinks.

>Do you really think the death of a king or the end of a dynasty means the end of the "contract"?
No but Kuvira ended that contract when she abolished the Earth Kingdom and established the Earth Empire. Or rather she tried, she never had the authority to do so, and lost the authority to rule the country when she broke the deal she made.

>I don't think Korra was fighting "to put Wu in the throne"
I don't think Korra cared about Wu at all. It was about the people of the EK and URN, two countries Kuvira was trying to invade.
Besides, EK isn't a meritrocracy, Kuvira being a better leader (arguably) has no impact on her ownership of the EK.

>you fail do explain how exactly taking the government out of Wu's hands is something bad.
She enslaved Wu's people against their will. And she tried to invade other countries. She's a warmonger and that's why she's bad.

>>82587171
That's the thing- there was no other government. It was total anarchy, the EK splintered into a mass of independent states. Kuvira did come along to maintain order, but she could do nothing without a contract. This is not in any way the same thing as a new president taking office, because the central government is still there. The anarchic Earth country had no central government

>>82558733
The feels. What a great free comic.

>>82558692
>doesn't that mound of snow look like someone waterbent it
kek

>>82586908
No Toph! Who did this to you?

>>82587602
I imagine if you lived at the South Pole and the only things you ever get to see are mounds of snow and sexy brown people, you become experts in both,

>>82558588
Good scans for a paperback.

>>82558733
Any idea if a Korra comic will be coming out alongside the Last Airbender comics?

>>82559806
>>82559859
>>82559878
Yikes, Korra was the lucky one in this story.

>>82587746
Such a thing was announced a while ago, with the promise that it'd contain actual relationship development along with...whatever the actual plot will be.

It's not coming out till after the next series of ATLA comics though.

>>82587386
>free city
literally part of the Earth nation

>The Earth King is shown to see the happy people
and?

>He and Zuko set free the colonies and they then built RC
by 'he' you mean Aang, right? because again, the earth king didn't agree to anything.

>No but Kuvira ended that contract when she abolished the Earth Kingdom and established the Earth Empire
>abolished the earth kingdom
she just took power. She didn't say the nation was over. I don't think se even have the power for that. It's like saying a king can suddenly say that his nation doesn't exist anymore. Those people still depend of one another, and those lands still belongs to everyone. Zaofu simply took it and said "we are independent now".

>It was about the people of the EK
the ones that are in a objectively better position than with the Earth queen, as far as Korra knows.

>She enslaved Wu's people against their will
Wu's dynasty was doing the same thing, obligating people to stay in the Kingdom.

>>82588916
>literally part of the Earth nation
It's on the same continent. Wether it is a part of the Earth Kingdom i don't know for sure since she bought the land, but i know for sure it isn't part of the Earth Empire which Kuvira represents.

>and?
It's implied strongly that The King and Zuko made a deal about letting go of the colonies. In fact they did it to stop the war they were having for the area.

>she just took power.
She abolished the earth kingdom in her own words. Which does in fact end any claim it would have had. And no she didn't have that power, which means everytime she took a part of the Earth Kingdom she stole and enslaved that land.

>the ones that are in a objectively better position than with the Earth queen,
The ones Kuvira stole land from and enslaved which Korra knows about because she has witnessed it firsthand and from other people telling her about atrocities Kuvira commited.

>Wu's dynasty was doing the same thing, obligating people to stay in the Kingdom.
They were a part of the Kingdom from a time where they perhaps willingly joined up. Wu wasn't holding people against their wills though, as we are shown they were more than willing to support His rule, but not Kuviras.

>>82561719

>hoverhand

So Tenzin was always a beta.

>>82584264
Scandinavia?

>>82589149
>It's on the same continent
not 'part of the same continent', Zaofu IS part of the EN. That's why Kuvira attacked. The metal guys are just a clan living there. They're not another country. In the end of the day, Zaofu had to obey the queen. That's why Suyin didn't like her.


>It's implied strongly that The King and Zuko made a deal about letting go of the colonies
it's not implied at all, and stated otherwise in LoK. The one who stopped the war was Aang by literally ripping the earth apart. Backing from a war is hardly consent.

>Which does in fact end any claim it would have had
changing the name of the regime, or change the government, does not end the nation, and her words won't change the fact that those regions were together in the first place. Your argument shouldn't be that "Kuvira took power over many small nations", but that she "took power over the whole thing", which makes more sense. In any way, someone had to take power and Kuvira is the best option, considering they wanted Wu in power.

>stole land from and enslaved
first of, how can you lose something that wasn't yours in the first place? You really think it was many small nations. Let me put it this way: the lands belong to the queen, technically. NOT to the people. It's the same thing today; you do NOT own your house, or your land. The government does. Kuvira took the power (and the land) from the queen/government, NOT from the people. They have no saying on the matter unless they take it themselves, which would be like you trying to take land from the government today.

>Korra knows about because she has witnessed it firsthand
Korra literally didn't knew anything that was going on until the jkids told her that she had to fight Kuvira.

>from a time where they perhaps willingly joined up
people aren't thousands of years old

So yeah, they ARE holding people there against their will. That's how governments work today and always did.

>>82585889
The hoverhand is probably the reason why.

>>82591291
> They're not another country.
Maybe not, but Kuvira is. Kuvira does not represent the owners of the Earth Nation she is a usurper stealing the lands from it's rightful owners.

>The one who stopped the war was Aang by literally ripping the earth apart.
Splitting the forces and stopping the war. It is then implied they found a peacefull solution since the fight stopped completely.

>Kuvira is the best option, considering they wanted Wu in power.
Wu is the rightful heir. Kuvira was just gathering up the land for him initially but changed her mind, meaning she has no right to the land. No change in government happened, she just decided to no longer be a part of the government and went to war with the EK and the rest of the world.
She was also a terrible ruler considering most didn't want to follow her and she made enemies with every other nation in existence.

>Kuvira took the power (and the land) from the queen/government
So she unjustly stole the land. The Queen/government owned the land because they had a sort of "contract" with the smaller provinces. Kuvira forced the provinces to join up with her.

>Korra literally didn't knew anything that was going on until the jkids told her that she had to fight Kuvira.
She saw Kuviras army when she flew into Zaofu. It was obvious Kuvira would force Zaofu to surrender.

>people aren't thousands of years old
Contracts of old still holds i modern times. Thats what the EK was, an alliance between different states/kingdoms under the Earth King/queen. Kuvira ended that alliance by force and then forced people to join her. She has no legitimate claim to any land or nation she made.

>That's how governments work today and always did.
Maybe they did, but most do not anymore. And i Avatar they certainly didn't considering anyone could freely leave and go to another country. Example would be Mako and Bolins parents.

>>82591291
>>82591812
Actually let me just shorten i down for future arguments.

Might doesn't make right. Not in Korras case or in Kuviras case.

>>82580030

She's a literal baby. Your retardation has no such excuse.

>>82591812
>Kuvira does not represent the owners of the Earth Nation
yeah, she is taking power from Wu. And that's a bad thing how? remember that she effectively brings stability to the nation. Being 'rightful owner' doesn't mean shit if you're a bad owner that didn't even bother to show up until the situation on the nation was dealt with. You keep saying that "she is not the rightful owner" but that doesn't really mean anything when the entire place is in chaos.

>It is then implied they found a peacefull solution since the fight stopped completely
the only thing 'implied' is that the Earth nation had to back off. In LoK people even called out the earth king for that.

>She was also a terrible ruler considering most didn't want to follow her
that is just wrong. She united most of the nation without any issues and stabilized the place, bringing food and defending the people. They only wanted her out after she attacked Zaofu, because "not on muh city". Until that point no one wanted to stop her.

>Kuvira forced the provinces to join up with her.
dude, that's Exactly how the earth queen, and any country today does it. You are 'forced' on that contract in any situation, so it's useless to discuss it.

>Contracts of old still holds i modern times
First of, it is unlikely everyone agreed on said contract at the time. The ones that don't agree just had to suck it up, just like democracy today. Second, according to you the new people are forced on that contract. You certainly didn't chose to make any part of it.

>most do not anymore
stop paying taxes and see what happens.

>>82591925
wanting to stabilize your country so people can live a better live makes it right.

>>82561719
>Still no official comic arc exclusivley about either the Gaang as adults or Tenzin and co. as kids.

That would be a hell of a lot better then the most recent arc.

>>82592289
She didn't though. She just tried to replace the actual rightful owner with herself. And in the process made the country worse than under the Earth Queen.

Had she done her actual job (help people out and give the throne to Wu), everyone would have been better off than under her.

>>82592500
> She just tried to replace the actual rightful owner with herself
people were objectively on a better situation than Chaos. She did not made the country worst than chaos. I think comparing with the earth queen wouldn't be fair considering Kuvira had to take people out of shit first, and she did a good job at this.

>Had she done her actual job (help people out and give the throne to Wu), everyone would have been better off than under her.
better with Wu? are you for real?

>>82592548
She did stop the chaos, and made her people slaves instead. Not really that great of a trade-off.

The Worst Wu could do would have been Earth Queen pt.2 which is better than Kuvira. Atleast they wouldn't destroy their lands and be slaves under Wu.

And Kuvira only kept power because of her army/technology. So again Might doesn't make Right. Which is why Korra had to stop Kuvira.

>>82592641
>made her people slaves instead
only some of them, which is exactly what the earth queen did with the airbenders.

>Atleast they wouldn't destroy their lands and be slaves under Wu
they weren't destroying the land. Also, with Wu the Earth nation would be a slave to the other nations. He literally said he would let the council lead for him. Being conquered like that is the worst possible outcome.

>Kuvira only kept power because of her army/technology
she was going very well before the start of S04, as we know. We don't really know a proportion of regions that 'did not wanted to join her', but i doubt many had anything against it in the first place considering she was kicking bandits out of the villages. It would be very pessimistic to believe most villages didn't want that.

>Might doesn't make Right
every government works by might over people.

>>82592854
Airbenders were enslaved, and that wasn't right either. But Kuvira did it on a much larger scale with entire provinces.

Actually we're told that Kuvira was over mining for metals to the point that the lands was taking damage. From the Guvenor of Yu who also told us that he and other govenor were forced to sign up for Kuvira.
And about Wu, it would still be better than under Kuvira. They would have their own ruler, and quite possibly a talented council to get them up and running. Who know maybe Wu could have turned it into a successfull democracy.

Kuvira only helped those who gave up all rights of their lands to her. I doubt anyone who knew about the contract would sign it willingly.

>every government works by might over people.
In a sense, but they aren't right or justified because of violence. They are justified in using violence though (which is a seperate debate). Governments are justified in being governments because they improve the living of most (or all) of their citizens, and their citizens have expectations of their governments that justify the government so long as those expectations are met for the majority.

>>82593197
>Kuvira did it on a much larger scale
the thing about those camps is that, we are only told they exist. We don't know about scale. It's not even stated that 'entire provinces were turned to slaves', as you claim.

>we're told that Kuvira was over mining for metals to the point that the lands was taking damage
I don't think 'taking metal' would causa such a large scale damage to the earth nation, and anyway when exactly is that stated? because i don't remember that. The only thing she was taking in abundance was the vines, and it's literally just wood.

>From the Guvenor of Yu who also told us that he and other govenor were forced to sign up for Kuvira
>others
that's very subjective

>They would have their own ruler, and quite possibly a talented council to get them up and running
i don't know what you mean by "their own ruler". Kuvira was also their own ruler. Anyway, the council is not formed of earth nation citizens, it's serving other interests, of other nations (like RC in S01, and that didn't work).

>maybe Wu could have turned it into a successfull democracy
at that point there was no talk about democracy, and even then it's the worst possibility for regions that rely on one another, and are in chaos without a proper leader taking resources from other parts of the nation to stabilize the place.

>Kuvira only helped those who gave up all rights of their lands to her
that's how a nation works

>Governments are justified in being governments because they improve the living of most (or all) of their citizens
so basically, "it doesn't matter if it use might or not, as long as it improve the lives of the majority of people". that sounds like what Kuvira did, considering literal chaos.

...an avatar ruler would make much more sense. Kings and Queens who would be in tune with the planet and spirits, easy to recognize and with the wisdom and knowledge of past rulers.

>>82593851
>an avatar ruler would make much more sense
an avatar ruler would let spirits anally rape humans if they wished. Having comitment to anything other than your people is bad for your nation, and more than once the avatar was going to fuck up humanity because "spirits dindu nuthin"

hell, Aang almost destroyed a village because a spirit thought humans should worship his waifu instead, i shit you not.

>>82593812
They state that Yu province will be turned into a mining province. So those people are used for mass mining of metals. And how much damage it does depends on how you mine, and seeing how Kuvira gets her vines it doesn't look good for Yu province.

>that's very subjective
She forces them to sign a contract making them her slaves, and we're told it has happened before. Not vey subjective.
Wu is their own ruler, because he is their actual monarch and he would have influence over the council. Kuvira however isn't their ruler, she's their slave master, and only for her own benefit.

>without a proper leader taking resources from other parts of the nation to stabilize the place.
You can have an elected leader. Or a Monarch as they did have. Kuviras intended job was to bring stability so Wu (and council) could take over. She dropped the last part and made the country her slaves instead.

>that's how a nation works
Usually it's a mutual benefit contract. Here however it isn't. Again as Yu Govenor pointed out Kuvira doesn't stay around and help the people once she has what she wants. The people have no rights at all under her like they normally would.

> that sounds like what Kuvira did, considering literal chaos.
You ignored most of that point. And you're wrong because Kuvira improved living for the minority of people.

>>82593851
I'd agree, but there is some good in having them be somewhat impartial to nations.

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>>82558733
>cute bubbly girl when she's a kid
>became a brooding lesbian when she reached adulthood
What went wrong with Korra's life?

>>82594606
Bryke and tumblr

>>82594128
>So those people are used for mass mining of metals
"used" would imply "not payed", or "forced". I don't think that was stated. At all. She wanted the metal, that much is true, but it is not said how she would get it, or how she normally does. The only people we know go to concentration camps (or treated as slaves) are rebels.

>She forces them to sign a contract making them her slaves
oh, was that written there? "make you slaves"? also, saying it happened before is different than saying it happened every time before it. The subjectivity is on the part that we don't know an exact number of how many regions were forced like that.

>Wu is their own ruler
did they vote for him? no? so he is imposing himself. People have no say in it no matter the situation. Being "their monarch" is a poor excuse if no one actually chose him.

>he would have influence over the council
by his own admission, he doesn't care what the council does.

>You can have an elected leader
and how will the elected leader of a region deal with a situation that requires resources in another? a monarch, or any other kind of leader could deal with that.

>She dropped the last part and made the country her slaves instead
you really like to use hyperboles, right?

>as Yu Govenor pointed out Kuvira doesn't stay around and help the people once she has what she wants
the only thing he pointed out is what they do to the place later (take whathever they want). It is not said that they "stop helping", and that would not be much possible since they need those people alive and well to work for them. Taking away the troops simply doesn't work for Kuvira.

>you're wrong because Kuvira improved living for the minority of people
because living without food and being robbed every day is better than whatever situation they were with Kuvira? i don't think so.

sincerely, there is very little to sustain your claims that she is making everyone a slave, and we do see her helping people.

>>82594606
She lived a sheltered life in the south pole for most of her life then moved to the city and got her shit all fucked up repeatedly.

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>>82594606
she never received a good dicking in all her life. That's where it all goes wrong.

>>82594929
That's because they were in fact forced. And if you didn't like it you go concentration camps. It's not rebels btw, it's anyone who disagrees with Kuvira.

And it was implied (and confirmed by Kuvira) that they indeed are slaves with no rights once the contract is signed. Which would be a do or die choice.

>did they vote for him? no? so he is imposing himself.
The people did not have a problem with him as a monarch as far as we know. In fact some loved him. Add to that, that he is the rightfull monarch and there you go. He is chosen because of his family and the tradition of that country. You might not like it, but it's more claim than Kuvira had.

> a monarch, or any other kind of leader could deal with that.
By being the elected leader of the country. You know like a president, or an elected mornarch would.

>you really like to use hyperboles, right?
No idea what it means. But that is what she did. She attemptet a coup from the rightfull ruler and enslaved the countries people.

>Taking away the troops simply doesn't work for Kuvira.
She does take most away though since she needs them for wars leaving behind small garrisons at certain places (like the 2 guys Ikki run into).

>i don't think so
It's better than living without food and being robbed by those you thought would protect you. Oh and also slave away in their mines.

Everything points to her making everyone slaves and generally treat people poorly. And we're directly told that the help we see doesn't last. Just face it, Kuvira was awfull for the EK, and anyone else would have been better for it.

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>>82595181
Should've tried it out with Bolin, would've probably fixed everything desu

>>82595181
>Implying Mako didn't hit that while they were a thing
Let's face it, Mako's idiocy pushing Korra and Asami together is probably the best thing about them hooking up.

I swear if the future comic series doesn't take advantage of this by having Bolin innocently throwing it in Mako's face, I'mma riot.

>>82595327
>good dicking
reading comprehension, anon.

>>82595405
Sorry, I interpreted it as a statement of quantity, rather than quality.

Carry on.

>>82595235
>That's because they were in fact forced
even if not stated anywhere in the series?

>The people did not have a problem with him as a monarch as far as we know
remember the pie incident. Remember Kuvira's fanclub.

>He is chosen because of his family and the tradition of that country
add to that: "and not because people freely chose him". It makes as much sense as Kuvira, except she actually helped people instead of doing absolutely nothing.

>By being the elected leader of the country
"any kind of leader..."
my point is that, democracy, dictatorship, monarchy.. whatever, they must stick together, and not become small nations. The democracy by the end of LoK is destined to failure since they will be still lacking resources and go back to chaos.

>that is what she did
she took every last person on the country and forced them to work for her without any kind of retribution?

>She does take most away though
i don't think you understand: she MUST keep enough troops to uphold order. It doesn't matter if she take some, as long as there is security. She even needs security, to assure that she will get the metal. So basically she must give people food, shelter and protection to make the deal work for her. Claiming she didn't is idiotic. If she took the troops, bandits would come back and take everything, including what she needs.

>It's better than living without food and being robbed by those you thought would protect you
she is not doing that, and if she takes food you die, so there is nothing for her to gain by doing this. As i said, she must give you food, shelter and protection.

>Everything points to her making everyone slaves and generally treat people poorly
zero statements in the show points out to her 'making everyone slaves' or 'generally treating people poorly'.

>>82572242
>>82580103
>>82580557
>>82573846

It's because they became over protective and raised her in isolation. Never allowing her to properly experience the world and grow as an avatar.
Partially due to Aang's legacy, and partially due to the Red Lotus's first attack.

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>>82594606
>>82594822
>>82595181
>>82595318

we can never have a good avatar thread ever can we

>>82597192
...y'ever wonder if Korra's character arc was actually representative of regressive tumblr feminists and the sort, or is that giving the writers too much credit?

>>82599055
It was representative of Bryke not thinking.

She was raised in isolation. Why? We find out in season 3 the reason was people were trying to kill her. And apparently there are more since they built that compound. Yet more attacks are never mentioned.

Was the Fire Nation not safe? What did Aang do to make it so the Royal Family wouldn't want to train the next Avatar in their royal protected palace?
Was the Earth Kingdom not safe? We know the Queen hated everything come Book 3, but before that was established we don't know why King Kuei's successor would be hesitant to have the Avatar train and sit in on proceedings.

Korra wouldn't get the commoner life like say Roku...but she'd at least get a feel for the other cultures and meet other people.
Bryke didn't think their backstories through. And the Mako Brothers are in this boat as well.

>>82597192
And also partially due to her being discovered at such an unusually young age.