what would it take for the comics industry to:

Fuck off weeb, as much as marvel or dc can suck currently ,anime and manga is in a worse state

>>82550705
>>let artists draw their own stories, get rid of writers

Already tried this. It was called 90s Image.

There's a reason why they stopped.

>make the money from the merch and games/tv, not the comics themselves
For Disney and Warner Bros., this is already the case.

>release large collections in cheap paper
>let artists draw their own stories, get rid of writers
>cater to every possible group and niche
These comics already exist. But they are few in number because they don't sell very well. To support them and encourage more of them, buy fewer Marvel and DC comics, and then spend that freed-up money on more self-published single-creator pamphlets with cheap paper.

When the big publishers see that cheap paper comics are making money, then the big publishers will be more willing to experiment with cheap paper comics. When the big publishers see that single-creator comics are making money, then the big publishers will be more willing to experiment with single-creator comics. When the big publishers see that niche comics are making money, then the big publishers will be more willing to experiment with niche comics.

You can only inspire change in the big publishers by changing your own buying habits.

>>82550813
Those guys were more interested in making quick bucks than telling good stories

>>82550943
>implying shonen jump or other magazines aren't like that
Specially since the whole manga market is determined by what sells, IKKI is one of the few examples of total creative liberty to the authors but it is scarce

>>82550786

Please explain how. Honest question, please don't get angry

>>82550705
>let artists draw their own stories, get rid of writers
What a horrible idea. Not every artist is a good writer, and not every writer is a good artist.

>>82551108
But the majority of good writers are also good artists. They just tend to work with other artists so they can do five books at a time instead of one.

>>82550705
>release large collections in cheap paper
Kirkman does that with Invincible and TWD compendium.
>make the money from the merch and games/tv, not the comics themselves
It happens already.

>>82550705
>let artists draw their own stories, get rid of writers

Not every artist is also a good writer. In fact most aren't.

>>82551143
Still horrible idea, if we went with that then we'd miss out on guys like Quitely who only do art, or guys like Johns who only write.

>>82551143
Novels would disagree with you on that front.

>>82551209
>Kirkman does that with Invincible and TWD compendium.
Marvel does it with Essentials, and DC does it with Showcase Presents.

>>82550705
>let artists draw their own stories, get rid of writers
Why would anyone ever want to that?
Not everyone is Miller, Ross or Cooke

>>82550705
Reason that manga has such variety is that all kinds of people in japan read it. Comics have a more narrow target audience.

Is OP implying that mangaka draw and write their own stories and not just crack the whip on their assistants?

OP, have you ever looked at comic sales before? The comic book reading audience is quite small.

http://desustorage.org/co/search/subject/comic%20sales/

>cheap paper

This is a myth in North America. It's a lot more obvious when you think about it.

You're thinking of the newspapery, low quality paper -- the kind that NEWSPAPER COMPANIES themselves are starting to move away from. Combine that with the fact that the newspaper industry has been in the shitter for a while, and you get a situation where there's not that much demand for pulpy paper and the printing needed specifically for it.

If there's little demand, then the comic companies themselves can't just piggyback on those newspaper companies and their friends. They'd have to start from scratch, which would cost more money to them in both the short and long run.

>>82550705
>large collections in cheap paper
Some really popular trades have shitty paper. Like newer editions of Death of Superman

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>>82551298
comics artists should have assistants to do backgrounds and secondary characters, nobody buys Jim Lee or Greg Capullo for the backgrounds, they want to see their characters.

>>82550705
>release large collections in cheap paper
Never. A good analogue however would be a digital magazine containing multiple capeshit comics in one release.

>let artists draw their own stories, get rid of writers
Never. Few pencillers could carry their own art single-handedly, let alone do all the artwork by themselves.

>cater to every possible group and niche
There aren't enough people reading comics to begin with, let alone every snowflake faggot who feels excluded because 100% of characters in his favorite capeshit aren't mentally ill like him.

>make the money from the merch and games/tv, not the comics themselves
Basically everything outside of Marvel/DC is creator-owned. The easiest way to make money is to sell the movie rights though.

>>82551395
You're right, more people working on any given issue of a comic and bringing the cost up is exactly what the industry needs.

>>82551108
Seriously, the time this worked out for DC was Gleason but you still have Daniel and Finch who are shit.

>get rid of writers
Kazuo Koike says go to hell.

>>82550705
>>make the money from the merch and games/tv, not the comics themselves

Lol he thinks comics make money

>>82551062
Anime is funded by the fans more or less, and because over sexual, usually pedophaelic, stuff sells the most they're forced to either shove it in and also recycle plots over and over to ensure they make money. Season are always 3/4ths shit, no matter what.
Manga usually has the problem of editors or writers not knowing where to go at a certain point, or fall victim to the cliches and tropes they're expected to write about, so things either go to shit fast or wind up with an ending nobody really wanted. But there's fuckloads more variety and it's considered its own genre of book, so it has an edge on things overall. The workload is extreme and unforgiving, and basically slave labor though.
From a financial perspective, neither are usually worth the time, and its more of a labor of love from the people making it.

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>>82550705
>let artists draw their own stories, get rid of writers

There's plenty of indie comics already do that. And being talented in one area doesn't correlated to being talented in another areas.

>cater to every possible group and niche

Try reading Dan Dashly's storytimes:
http://desustorage.org/co/search/username/Dan%20Dashly/type/op/

Also, as a lot of people have said, the reason for a lot of the things OP listed (glossy paper, limited niches, wanting profits from comics) is because the industry made the bet that limiting their audience would work out better for them in the long run.

Once upon a time, a lot of these things were the exact opposite. But, primarily with the Big 2, things changed when more profit could be had by raising prices. As prices rose, books directed towards certain audiences -- kids and women, for simplicity's sake -- had big drops in popularity. The companies still wanted the lost revenue from those books tanking, so they made the "links" in their universes much stronger, so that an unpopular series would still be "important" just by being in the overarching universe of Marvel/DC.

And so, the companies moved towards making their comics for a very specific niche. This audience behaves in ways stranger than the old audience, and the industry now relies on this behavior and can't really afford to go back or reach out in any meaningful way (because, worst of all, ALL of their writers/artists/editors/execs grew up and consumed comics as a part of that weirdly specific niche, which means they have limited perspective).

For all of these reasons, it's nearly impossible to expect these big companies to do things differently.

>>82551418
this guys could be apprentices & students and do it for free

>>82551858
Just what America needs, more unpaid internships.

>>82551905
you wouldn't take a free internship with Jim Lee?

>>82551395
>Nobody buys Capullo for his backgrounds
Get out

>>82550705

>>release large collections in cheap paper

Marvel and DC already do this for collections of older stories, though I wouldn't mind it for newer things too.

>>let artists draw their own stories, get rid of writers

I support more single-creator comics, hell, that's the default for webcomics, and there are some that are done very well. But I don't see why, judging on how this is phrased, you think writer-artist teams are inherently bad. They can be just as successful as single-creator comics. Moreover, mangaka often make liberal use of unnamed, underpaid assistants to help them pump out chapter after chapter every week.

>>cater to every possible group and niche

DC tried this with DCYou and it sold like garbage. The western comic audience is just too small to care about anything other than capes to support big companies like the Big 2. Image, Darkhorse, etc. get by because they're much smaller.

>>make the money from the merch and games/tv, not the comics themselves

DC and Marvel already do this.

Mangaesque anthologies are a pipe dream because the lead time required to put together that much content for an unrealistically low price point. That Japanese publishers are able to do it WEEKLY is a feat in of itself and a testament to them working the shit out of their talent.

>>82551241
Those are mainly for older comics, and they don't seem to stay in print for very long. Especially the Essentials, since Marvel has a habit of not keeping most of their books in print for financial reasons.

>>82551858
>In Japan, mangaka pay for the help out of their own pocket
>expecting anybody in America to do it for free.
Seriously?

>>82551940
Are you willing to uproot yourself and move to where Jim Lee is? California is not cheap.

>>82551143
That fucking horseshit. Stop posting.

>le "all mangaka are writer-artists" meme
Obata never writes shit.

>>82550786
Nah i wouldnt say that

>>82550705
Tell, you retard, what is Legends of Tomorrow?

>>82551477
>Season are always 3/4th shit
Well this season is pretty good.
And sure if you dont like over sexualising i can see why you dont like it but i enjoy it.

>>82551228
Johns actually wanted to start as an artist. Plenty of artists can't write, but most writers can art.

>>82555199
Isn't that the dumping ground for miniseries that were suddenly canned for some reason?

>>82550786
>Constant flow of new things to read/watch
>Ingrained into Japanese culture, so Japan would have to collapses before new things stop coming

K. Manga/Anime flow is more stable than Comic flow.

>>82555199
I'd like to see it last. It'd be cool if they change features every now and then.

>>82550705
Diamond would need to go bankrupt leaving the comic industry to revert to newsstand distribution and digital comics would have to stop existing.

Also you'd need about 1.5 million new readers to start buying comics

>>82555382
just like shonen anon

>>82555376
There's Johns' fanart of the Flash. Doesn't look bad, but he forgot to draw one arm.