Captain America: Civil War Spoilers Thread

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>Peter has a fucking school chair in his room

holy fuck

1st for Vision is a cuck.

>>82549415
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queensbridge_Houses

He's probably the poorest Peter in all media

>>82549395
All americucks are asleep right now, doubt the thread will be alive until later.

>>82549395
Anyone else glad Ironman is less of a missile-fountain this time? Tony even has fight with his "iron fist".

>>82549395
Why is War Machine such a big guy.

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How does it feel that Disney is losing to Disney

I don't feel sorry for Scott or Clint at all. Tony was right, they had families, they shouldn't have come.

>>82549621
That's what they get for calling ESB simply an "old movie"

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Does anyone else love Hawkeye now? He used to be hands-down the least interesting Avenger, but now I think he's great. Best dad.

>>82549621
I think Disney needs to stop gobbling everything up, they'll end up eating at each others earnings

>>82549679

It helps when he's written by people who actually write him as the character he is in the comics.

notice ironmanlet was wearing his manlet boots at the MIT talk.

>>82549679
>steamrolled by Vision
>went soft on Natasha
>Black Panther doesn't care
I like him but he kinda jobbed continuously in this film too...

The movie has been out for at least a week, there's no reason to sticky.

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>>82549712
Notice how Wanda stole his manlet boots.

>>82549679
I feel like he still should be more of a mary sue in every way except screentime

>>82549558
Its 12 in the afternoon here...

Why did Howard Stark have some sort of knock off super soldier serum with him?

He is a mechanical engineer.

>>82549781
>he doesn't wake up at 10PM

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>>82549679
>Does anyone else love Hawkeye now? He used to be hands-down the least interesting Avenger, but now I think he's great. Best dad.

Almost everyone does. Even if he jobbed against Vision. Then again Hawkeye is more of a sniper/strategist than a powerhouse. I'm even surprised he had EMP arrows with him.

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>yfw Panther sided with Cap at the end

>>82549679

I loved him going up against Vision with everything he had knowing he would get floored.

Classic Hawkeye shit.

>>82549748
It'd keep you faggots from creating like 20 shill threads on the catalog and reduce it down to one or two like it should be.

>>82549705
I hated how he was in AoU, pretty much every time when he was the focus they were joking about how he was useless compared to the other avengers.

>>82549832
From T'chaka's conversation with him, it sounded like he wasn't thrilled with the accords or Wakanda reaching out in the first place.

>>82549413
>Link?
http://www.craveonline.com.au/entertainment/985969-captain-america-civil-war-writers-b-movies-podcast#/slide/1

Very detailed podcast from the writers themselves.

Note that they say they haven't handed in the Infinity War script draft yet, they are still working on it and nothing is official for that film as it is too early.

>>82549721
To be fair, what is a dilf with a bow and arrow going to do against the motherfucking Vision?

>>82549395
Am I wrong, or did nobody hit Wanda? All I remember is her hitting other people in the fight, I don't remember anyone hitting her.

Why did he retire? Was it just a story excuse to explain why he wasn't at the UN?

>>82549985
Warmachine did. Wanda is pretty much the strongest in the whole 12 man battle royale at this point and the closest to match her would be the motherfucking Vision. Even then he's busy with everything going on.

>>82549895
Apparently IW starts filming later this year.

>>82549395
>mods won't sticky thread about live action movie on the comics & cartoon board
Oh boo hoo. Cry some more.

>>82550037
when? I don't remember, what did he do? almost anything that hits her would kill her.

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Anyone else really disappointed Steve didn't die? I was hoping Steve would die, Bucky would be Captain America in his place and Tony would go full on MY GOOD FRIEND IS FUCKING DEAD I NEED TO SAVE HIM. Tony would then find out about the Life Gem and go to the end of the Earth to bring Steve back.

>>82550052
They did it for BvS.

>>82550052
>mods wont contain conversations about a live action movie on the comics & cartoon board to one thread
Sounds worse if you don't want it here.

>>82549452
As someone who lives near Forest Hills, I'm a little upset they moved him to LIC. I'm hoping at least they lived in a house there and were forced to move when Ben died.

>>82550082
Fuck that. You kill someone and you keep them dead.

>>82550078
Please fuck off with your company wars, these threads are bad enough already.

>>82550076
He sonic blaster her when she was moving the rubble using her Hex powers so that Cap and Buck could get the to the Jet

>>82550082
I'm more disappointed Rhodes didn't die. I see no reason he still needs to be alive at this point.

>>82550078
>1.jpg
Where is he now?

>>82550076
He used his headache-inducing-wave-shooting thing on her while she was clearing a path for Bucky and Cap's escape.

>>82550125
/tv/, shitposting

>>82550082
Doesn't seem like there's much of point to Cap dying.

>>82550116
The whole point about gems is doign the impossible. Tony like in the comic, after seeing Steve dead would see how wrong he was about Steve and being controlled. He'd get mad and vow to avenge Steve.

>>82550082
Nah, Cap dies in IW 1 and Bucky takes the mantle in 2

>>82550124
It's sad, he's nothing but a background character at this point. 5 robots got away stop them War Machine OKAY!

>>82550082
>Anyone else really disappointed Steve didn't die? I was hoping Steve would die, Bucky would be Captain America in his place and Tony would go full on MY GOOD FRIEND IS FUCKING DEAD I NEED TO SAVE HIM. Tony would then find out about the Life Gem and go to the end of the Earth to bring Steve back.
I am just going to repost what I understood from what the writers explained:

>The reason they didn't kill anyone, and in particular not killing Steve Rogers, is because they want the team broken and disorganised when Thanos show up. Death of a team member would have forced the team to rally and reconcile, and that would not be the desired end of this film.

>Further, the writers think death at this point in the story is actually LESS painful than the alternative. They want the team members to fight, and then to live with the fact that they are no longer friends. Not having deaths is one of the reason why the team is currently in taters, as death is too great a unifier.

>>82550082
I was hoping one of the Avengers would die. I think it's too early for Bucky to be the next Cap. But it needs to happen. I'd be happy if they gave him his own movie. Cap and Black Widow could should up in it too.

How does Spidey stack up strength wise with the rest of the MCU? Just below Thor?

>>82550209
>Death of a team member would have forced the team to rally and reconcile

Good point, didn't think of that.

>>82550256
>How does Spidey stack up strength wise with the rest of the MCU? Just below Thor?

Probably above Cap and below Thor. Seeing that he carried that thing in the airport when Cap broke it with his shield. He's pretty strong for a teen kid.

>>82550231
I agree, I'm glad Cap didn't die for the reasons the creators stated about it being too easy of a unifying fix, and because I want Bucky to have more recovery time before he has that responsibility of taking over thrown on him.

God, Bucky's life really sucks. Iron Manlet almost murders him, but it's okay because T'Challa is a bro and awesome doctors in Wakanda fix his brain and give him a new arm, he's good to go with his new life, and then Steve gets killed by a crazy purple alien dude collecting jewelry. If I were Bucky, I'd nope back into the ice.

BuckyCap and Falcon movie will be based, though. I love Falcon flying around and throwing Bucky at things.

>>82550078
Couldn't you tell this was shitposting?

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I can't wait for his movie to be better than his actual comics.

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>still waiting for a screenshot of Bucky and Sam smiling at Steve after he kissed Sharon

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>>82550296
I fucking hate WB and Snyder even more after watching Civil War.

DC deserves better.

>>82550329
>>82550209
This was done by BvS. Looked at how "meaningless" the death felt. Yeah sure people now love Superman in their world but didn't some people doubt and hate him a few days BEFORE his death?

In the comics, his death had meaning because he was established as THE SUPERMAN. A God in a world gone mad

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Why did they kill the coolest character off 5 minutes into the movie

>>82550374
Amen. Snyder is fucking horrible, I hope Affleck can save the Justice League but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Panther's accent was not good. Only serviceable at best.

>>82550412
>Casuals: Why is Punisher evil

That's why

>>82549832
>>82549881
So, Caps gets a new shield with Wakanda symbol on it?

>>82550412
He served his goal. If he didn't die, the whole thing wouldn't have kickstarted and the public would blame him and not the Avengers.

>>82550445

That's a shit reason. Now, casuals will be wondering why Punisher is getting his own show. Isn't he supposed to be dead?

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WHERE THE FUCK IS HE

>>82550412
>Why did they kill the coolest character off 5 minutes into the movie
The writers mentioned why.

After they agreed to not kill Cap in this film, they had to decide what to do with Crossbones. They decided that he doesn't have enough of a future prospect, and that it would be a great misdirection for comic readers that they would assume Crossbone would get away.

And the other point is that they NEED the incident with the bomb to have no living villiain surviving. Because had he lived then the bombing would be blamed on HIM and not the Avengers. Civilians are petty and would blame the nearest living person they felt was responsible. By having Crossbones kill himself, it is the unfortunately realistic way to cause the angry public to get mad at their rescuers instead.

>>82550496
Infinity Wars Part 1. Weaving has recently said he'd love to come back since the Marvel world is so huge and fun now.

>>82550462
Probably a white ones without the star. Thanos will destroy it and Tony will deliver to Steve the original one.

>>82549721
>Holding a fucking superman/infinity gem amalgam
>for a whole minute
>with three arrows

I honestly was kind of impressed and gave him credit for his effort. plus his plan was Wanda.

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>>82550364
Here's the full scene.

>>82550506

So if some terrorist aloha's himself in a crowded place, everybody's going to be pissed off at the first cop on the scene?

I would have bought it if it was just Wakanda being faggots about muh people.

>>82550610
The problem is that it was Wanda who pushed the explosion into a building full of people.

>>82549395
>calling someone shill while literally asking a board to promote a bad movie from a multibillion company

>>82550606
How did I miss this scene?

>>82550437
Considering they made up the accent for a fictional country it's fine.

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>>82550606
>YFW You will never have BROS who cheer for you for getting the pussy

>>82550532
What scallywag... he said he no longer wanted to be part of the Marvel and now that the franchise is a gold mine, he knocks to return?

Fuck off Smith.

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>She's probably a hundred years old now
>So are we

>>82550610
I like how they never pointed out that stopped criminals from stealing something that could become a biological weapon that could kill countless more people.

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Despite this being a comic book film, I did like Wanda's line in response to Vision's "They'll be afraid of you"
>"I cannot control their fears, only my own. "

Sam stole the movie. Incredibly creative use of a bland power/ tech set. Scotts two scenes where great too.
Peter felt shoehorned in though. Wa still great seeing him in action especially in less than ideal terrain.

>>82550610
>>82550700
The Crossbones exploding scene was fucking retarded.

So, either she lets him explode in the crowd, killing people and Steve, or tries to move him somewhere else, and kills people in a building instead.

Or doesn't stop him, and the biological weapon would go off.

>>82550709
They needed to clarify that Tony looked for him to pacify/wrap up his allies in a non-violent way to bring them in. They didn't. It's implied, though, since Stark says "What we discussed, keep your distance and web them up."

So it was clear he picked Spider-Man to round them up.

>>82550610
#NotAllVillains
Yes. People are this stupid.

Also was thrilled that Wakanda and Panther where handled the way they where. Was dreading a Huldin version.

I feel that Rhodes was supposed to have died, but they flaked out on it.

>>82550709
Sam stole Winter Soldier. Mackie is so fucking perfect and polarizing he's hard not to love him.

>>82550734
The point is that they have been going all over causing insane destruction in the ways they stop the crimes from occurring, and a lot of criminal activity is because of them in the first place, like Ultron.

Sure, it's awesome to send Hulk smashing in a city full of pedestrians during an alien invasion, but the aftermath is still Hulk smashed and probably killed people just like the aliens.

>>82550610
People are this retarded in real life as well. Heck If this was in our world, you'd probably see threads from /pol/ and tumblr fags ruin and bad mouth the incident.

>>82550606
>can you move your seat forward

>>82550606
As much as I dislike Sharon, Bucky and Sam make up for it

>>82550020
Quicksilver death and sokovia probably shook him, especially when his job got mixed with his home life.

>>82550765

How the hell is Rhodes crippled from a fucking fall, when Iron Man takes a tank shell and falls out of the sky from cloud-height and is literally unscathed, in one of the first suits he ever made?

Don't know if true or not, but a site claims the Bluth Staircar is in the airport scene.

>>82550256
Above Cap and nowhere near Thor

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>>82550606
MISOGYNISTIC!!!

THIS IS A SEXIST FUCKING SCENE

JOSS WHEDON WOULD HAVE NEVER ALLOWED THIS

FUCKING BAN THESE MOVIES

>>82550812
>No.
Too bad Bucky's back on ice, the interactions between him, Steve, and Sam were great.

>>82550412
Cuz they needed something to Kickstart one of the main conflicts of the movie. I was a bit disappointed he was just "mwa haha" evil though.

I loved all the throwbacks to The Incredible Hulk with Ross actually showing up again, the Super Soldier serum showing up again, and more references to the other attempts at Super Soldiers like Ross talked about a lot in Incredible Hulk.

>>82550850
Could Peter lift the hammer?

>>82550765
>I feel that Rhodes was supposed to have died, but they flaked out on it.

Probably, but without him it would be really too tough for Tony.

I doubt we will but I really hope we get to see Spider-Man pre-Civil War days in his movie.... I really want to see more of that makeshift costume. We never really got a good look at it.

>>82550883
No

>>82550883
>Could Peter lift the hammer?
Since you brought it up, the writers of Civil War bring up the possibility that Vision might have lost his "worthiness" at some point after AoU. The idea being he was pure in the beginning because he was a newborn, but now that he is starting to learn and form ideas he just might be making mistakes now.

>>82550883
I don't think we know enough about this Peter to figure that out, he's a good kid but I doubt he's worthy.

>Get to the super secret base
>Ok this is it... we're going to have to fight like 5+ Winter Soldiers
>Wait, they're all dead? Wut?
I actually liked that twist

>>82550633
It's not so much her fault as both choices were bad.
>A: let crossbones explode and kill Cap, herself, and a market full of people
>B: Let crossbones explode up in the sky next to a building
Either way, she was fucked. There was no good choice

>>82550841
Well Spidey had to watch out for bridges, and Falcon had a problem with hop-ons.

>>82550883
Spider-Man is not worthy of Thor's hammer, because he would never willingly kill someone, even if they were a massive super villain.

>>82550934
So Thor's worthiness requires he never makes mistakes?

>>82550837
the suit probably has some super science impact reducing tech. when Rhodes hit the ground he was basically in a metal coffin

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>>82549621
>that cut off BvS post

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>>82550412
>coolest character
I mean, he was good and all, but to me his outfit felt like one of those YouTube parodies.

>>82550966
This enchantment surrounding Mjölnir prevents it from being wielded by anyone save those who have been found worthy. Thus far, this includes Thor, the Red Norvell, Buri, Bor Odin, Beta Ray Bill, and Captain America. To anyone else, Mjölnir cannot be lifted from the ground. nor wrested from Thor’s grip. Those who are deemed worthy are able to wield Thor's powers. Captain America said "I've never wielded such limitless power before!" "It's almost intoxicating!" As the true master of Mjölnir, Thor can also will unto others the ability to wield the mystical hammer, bypassing the worthiness enchantment, and also empower them with his own godly abilities. As long as he is alive, no one but himself is able to wield the hammer.

>>82550950
>kill someone
>Make you worthy .

WUT? Not even in the Nordic logic that makes sense.

>>82550841
I actually noticed it. I wasnt sure it was the Bluth staircar but it was definitely the same coloring

>>82549452
Hey, at least it's not Detroit

>>82550966
>So Thor's worthiness requires he never makes mistakes?
The idea is that Vision's worthiness wasn't earned but was what he was born with. And as the writers noted, Thor loses his own worthiness all the damn time. So if Thor can lose his own worthiness if he wasn't careful, so could Vision. And Vision really lacks the experience to make the right choices.

>>82550999
I think the point he's trying to make is you have to be willing to do what has to be done even if it conflicts with your morals.

>>82550968
>>82550837

Pilots survive crashing their planes all the time, because they still have control over how they come down.

Not so much when they are flying "dead stick", as said during the scene.

>>82550999
Yes it does.
You conquer your enemy and goals, even if it means killing them to accomplish it.

So Tony forgave Steve and Bucky in the end or is his autisitc rage unending?

>>82550978

Sure, the outfit was shit, but he instantly established himself as a seriously competent character. Dual wield power fists were just a bonus.

I'd have loved to see what he was capable of with more than 5 minutes of screentime.

>>82551050
This sounds more something Carl of Clausewith would say.

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>>82547649
He looks like fucking Prince

>>82550941
That shit was so creepy, just the trio coming upon Zemo's murder scene of the test subjects. Loved Zemo.

>>82551068
>So Tony forgave Steve and Bucky in the end or is his autisitc rage unending?
He was not rational at the time but he did calm down afterwards. But he still can't be BBF with them because the Accords are still in effect and Ross is keeping Tony on a tight leash now.

>>82551114
Those weren't Zemo's test subjects. Those were the 5 super assassins that were frozen/dead a long time ago.

Am I the only one who noticed that they explained the whole "exploding suits" incident in Iron man 3?

That was a nice touch imo

>>82551024
Still does not make sense. Based on the Beta Ray Bill, to be worthy someone must be a champion of nobility, strength, courage and wisdom according to Asgard standards.

Spiderman can not lift it because of his humility, and mental weakness, because the hammer requires also a great mental strength, which does not mean doing extreme things or kill people.

in fact, it still makes no sense given that Tunderbraker was nothing special

>>82551068
>autistic rage
Are you sayin Tony isn't justified in his anger towards Bucky killing his parents and Cap not telling Tony that Bucky/HYDRA was responsible for his parents's death

>>82551124
Iron Man 3 was a fucking disaster of a movie. I hope they never let Shane Black near a Marvel property again.

It's easily one of the worst Marvel Studios movies.

>>82551068
1. Cap should have talked to Tony outside of this battle, personally, and directly about what he knew
2. He should have prepared Tony emotionally and physically
3. He should have explained his thoughts on Bucky and feelings away from Bucky and before this could have ever happened.

4. Cap admitted he was being an idiot in the letter.

>>82551134
Humility has nothing to do with it.

People who wield Thor's hammer kill.

>>82550808
A slav killing black people, the perfect /pol/-storm

>>82551122
I didn't mean to say they were Zemo's, they were Hydra's

>>82551171

Wasn't the first Thor movie all about him needing a lesson in humility in order to be worthy of the hammer?

>>82551141
Which is why I like how they addressed it. They could have just forgotten about it but they gave a brief explanation as to why Tony built armors again.

>>82551140
>Are you sayin Tony isn't justified in his anger towards Bucky killing his parents

on a primal level, yeah. But he knew that the guy was brainwashed

>Here's your shield Captain America!

I love Scott being such a fan of Cap.

>>82550606
Bucky and sam were the greatest suroprise of the movie

>Move the seat
>I hate you

everyone wal laughting

>>82551243
>I love Scott being such a fan of Cap.
And to think he was originally pro-Accord until the Antman writers told the Civil War writers that Hank Pym would object.

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>>82551171
>People who wield Thor's hammer kill.

you just bullshitting.
Killing or nothing killing has nothing to do with the hammer.

>>82551230
Yeah but its not just that, imagine the shitstorm tony had to deal with, aince cap is running wild and coercing half the team to go with him, ross and the world breathing down his neck, cap not telling him about bucko killing his parents, pepper, all the guilt of ultron, and now your best friend being in the hospital. Its the straw that broke the camels back

>>82551287
You're the one full of shit.

>>82550347
Should they put Shuri in or no?

>>82550082
I was listening to this podcast >>82549895
and the writers touched on killing Steve
>Death by this point in our cynical world makes the movie trite and less painful...
>I wanna see friends beat each other and walk away live with the fact that they are not friends anymore...

What exactly are Black Panthers eyes?

>>82549670
Shut up grandpa

>>82551275
And this is conjecture because they didn't outright say this. But combining the fact that they had previously made Antman Team Ironman, and then was forced to switch, it might explain why they said they needed another hero on Tony's side at the airport. (switching Antman means suddenly Cap has two more heroes than Tony does.)

This person, as explained in the podcast, was Spiderman, but then they thought they lost him so they gave Black-panther a combat role. Then they end up keeping both of them.

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I knew my crowd was a patrician I've because they only clapped at Giant Man, and have the motorcycle flip and Panthers triple kick the gasps they deserved.

>>82549395
"The superhero movie as a political radiography, psychological commentary and tolstoyan drama"

Why are movie critics such insufferable assholes?

>>82551302
It's useless to slam your fists on the table like a whiny child. Killing or not killing has always been only a rule that changes depending on the times and the writers.

Now GTFO

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>>82549452
Poor Peter. Guess we know what color Aunt May gets 'd every night.

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>>82551394
You're just a little mad baby.

>>82551288
And yet Bucky is not to blame for any of those things happening.

Yes, Cap was wrong not to tell Tony ahead of time. No, Bucky does not deserve to be murdered because of shit that he had no control over.

You really think Tony would have been proud of himself after he cooled off and realized he just killed Steve's best friend, who is a torture victim and brainwashed POW? And he let the real villain just get away? He'd be no better than Zemo and he'd know it, it'd be a hole that Tony would never be able to climb himself out of, and Steve would never forgive him.

I feel bad for Tony, but he had to be stopped.

>>82551397
Aunt May = BLACKED

>>82549395
>Shill mods won't sticky edition

You goddamn burgerland. If you didn't know, the movie came out a week ago.

>>82551400
o shit waddup

>>82551424
Nobody cares if a 3rd world country watches a movie.

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>>82550606

These charming scenes are what makes movies timeless classics.

Thanks for uploading it anon.

>>82551424
Believe it or not, America is more important than the rest of the world.

>>82551397
POOR

PETER

PARKER

>>82551400
oh shit waddup

that was my face when DAT BOI Peter Parker showed up

in the theater I was like
oh shit waddup

the guy next to me stared at me

>>82551406
>I feel bad for Tony, but he had to be stopped.
Thats what im saying too. I dont condone his actions but damn i can see why he did it. Bvs had an awful setup for the fight. This gives a clear understanding of why tony went berserk

>>82551287
Do you not understand that not wanting to kill and doing it when you need to aren't opposing concepts? There's nothing praiseworthy about being willing to do what has to be done if what has to be done is something you're fine with anyway.

>>82551397
>MCU Uncle Ben is black

im surprised no ones mentioned the Agents of Shield tie in with the Kree blood experiments

>>82549395
>Shill mods won't sticky edition


Blame evan posters for that, they became fucking cancer when BvS was out

>>82550606
That car reaction scene almost made up for how rushed the romance was.

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>>82551494
>MCU Uncle Ben invented rice

>>82551511
It's not rushed.
They've been back and forth since Winter Soldier.

Anyone else think the best fight scene in the movie was cap and bucky vs the special forces right near the beginning? Seeing bucky use his metal arm to block bullets was awesome, and that pause when they were about to breach the door and bucky just pounds through the wall was so good.

I was so fucking hyped seeing Spider-Man and I was ready for him to take the limelight, and they immediately switched back to the serious tone of Iron Man and Captain America.

It made me realize that even with Spider-Man there, these two incredibly grounded serious characters could make it all work, and Spider-Man worked even better because of that.

>>82551533
If they did the movie didn't do a good job of implying it.

>>82551486
Okay then, fair enough. I can see why he did it because he's emotionally unstable and volatile and easily triggered, and Zemo knew this. That's Stark for ya. Never trust a Stark.

>>82551560
Go watch Winter Soldier. She's basically begging to be fucked.

Gotta appreciate how Spider-man was just happy to be there.

>>82551506
I feel it is somewhat unfair

>>82550082
Here's the thing. I was really happy with them bait and switching a plot where it looks like they're going to do the work together in the end then it falls apart and becomes proper Cap vs Ironman but it didn't amount to anything because Cap didn't die. It seemed like they were trying to have their cake and eat it too.

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>>82551421

>>82551546
> that table flip

>>82551421

>Not Tony Stank

>>82549395
>Shill mods won't sticky edition
There's not nearly as much discussion about this movie as I expected, although after watching it, there's not much to discuss.

>>82551488
Snyder... fuck off.

>>82551494
>Uncle bean abandoned Peter, and May lied to him about his death

>>82551587
That was cool as shit. And Marvel stairwell fights are always GOAT, him and cap beating as up and down 5 stories

>>82551574
First scene she shows up is pretending to be a normie, then she busts in trying to save Fury. Next time we see her she's reporting to Pierce and Cap is pissed at her for lying to him, and after that they don't meet again.

>>82551592
There wasn't much to discuss about BvS either
heck even the "no spoilers sticky" was useless since the trailers showed almost all the good shit

Just got back from watching this.
Man, the actual plot involving zemo was fucking shit. seems like a waste of a villain.

seems like the only thing the movie had going was the action scenes.

>should tell tony
>"Tony wont belive me"
why the fuck will he not belive Steve duting that time?

What was the point of the Spidey post-credit scene besides saying he has has a movie coming out? What was that hologram for?

>>82551576
Same with antman.
>anybody got any orange slices?

>>82551634
Except there was a ton of discussion about stuff. And why did you immediately turn this into company wars?

>>82551645
the movie was just to set as introduction to black panther.
The realtionships between the team reamined the same at the end.

>>82551582
>but it didn't amount to anything because Cap didn't die.
Why would you want Cap to die when he was going to be in Infinity War? They refuse to kill him when no one was going to believe them.

More importantly, if he died then there would have to be a funeral. And that means all the Avengers would have to be best friends again and end up working together. The whole POINT of not killing anyone is to STOP the team getting back together.

>>82551658
It's the Spider Signal anon

>>82551546
There were so many great little one-off moments in that fight, like Bucky casually picking up a cement block and the baattering ram and beating up niggas.

>>82551676
>The realtionships between the team reamined the same at the end.

hurr

>>82551677
Exactly. Leave them hurt, maimed, and angry. Gives them way more room to play with character interactions and (also an excuse to keep characters out of each others movies during the rest of the phase)

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>>82551658
>What was that hologram for?

>>82551645
zemo was a great a villian. he's the only one who actually succeeded with his plans.

>>82550863
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tX03hMJ9eZE

>>82551676
>the movie was just to set as introduction to black panther.

thats actually how i felt when i left the theater.
an intro to black panther and spiderman.

the plot was just so uninteresting that in various parts of the movie, i asked myself "why are they fighting? why are they at the airport? why did they randomly recruit people?".

>>82551737
none of them died
and tony looke happy for steve at the end.

>>82551673
>And why did you immediately turn this into company wars?
It's not a company war it's a perfectly reasonable comparison, besides the only discussion were complaints and trolling.
CW has had multiple threads and needs a sticky so that it won't eat up a lot of threads

>>82550947
Yeah, but the public hardly ever cares about miniscule details like that.

>>82551703
I feel like they had the most fun with the cap and bucky fights. BW is usually just that leg wrap flip move and some light Kung fu, and everyone else just uses their weapons. Cap and bucky get all Jackie Chan and use their environment and shit. Oh and caps shield
>okay, that thing does not obey the laws of physics AT ALL

>>82551724
>(also an excuse to keep characters out of each others movies during the rest of the phase)
Yep, VERY important. It means both Doctor Strange and Wasp would be on their own when they deal with problems in their debut films. Secret Avengers is in hiding and the original Avengers is under Ross' thumb.

>>82551500
>im surprised no ones mentioned the Agents of Shield

thats your problem right there, expecting people to give a shit about Z listers, the show

>>82551579

They are still cancer >>82551583

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>>82550707

>>82551579

I think that is pointless to have a sticky because it would just be like 500 posts with Chris Evan's picks

those evan posters became the worst kind of cancer on this board

>>82551703
Yeah, I think that fight scene really showcased how powerful Winter Soldier is.

>>82551812
I also look forward to both teams trying to recruit new members and competing with each other. It'll be like divorced parents squabbling if they ever bump into each other while recruiting.

>>82551663
>anybody got any orange slices?
i didnt get that. was it suppose to be a joke of something?

or just some lolsorandum comment?

>>82551771
i found the reason for cap not to sign pretty weak, tony was protecting wanda and he still got mad. Same for his distrust about Tony not beliving him when he scapes with bucky.
Zeemo plan seems imposible, i find hard to belive that no one from the avengers or gorverment find about the stark murder and bucky braniwash zeemo discovered from hydra documents he got from the fucking internet.

>>82551676
>The realtionships between the team reamined the same at the end.

Stark hates Cap
Barton hates Stark
Lang hates Stark
Maximoff hates Stark
Wilson hates Stark
Romanoff is AWOL
Peter is in the big leagues
Vision is full of doubts and feelings
Rhodes is pissed at everyone not saluting

Those are some considerable changes.

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>>82551724
>Leave them hurt, maimed, and angry.

Against Tony. which remains a bit alone at the end. I am a bit sorry for him because the abandonment of the group was his nightmare and one of the reasons why he attemp to get them to sign. Everything ends badly and while Steve is left with the group, Tony has virtually no one.

Suffering.

>>82551582
>it didn't amount to anything because Cap didn't die
That's not even the issue. It didn't amount to anything because the entire conflict was brushed under the carpet in the last 5 minutes of the movie. Cap writes an apology letter, Tony is happy his friends get broken out of jail, and everything is hunky-dory.

>>82551879
Wanda was effectively on house arrest despite the Accords being ostensibly done to protect them.

>>82551875
He had talked before about how doing giant man made him pass out before, so it was a joke about like, post sports game snacks. Like when soccer moms bring Gatorade and orange slices.

>>82550606
Holy shit, I bet her dick was so hard when she was kissing him.

>>82551879
>i found the reason for cap not to sign pretty weak, tony was protecting wanda and he still got mad.
No, because Tony said Wanda has no rights because she isn't an American. Steve is offended at that.

Further, Tony only signed because he thinks he can weasel out of it later. Steve refuse to sign because he only sign his name on things he intend to follow.

>>82551908
He has Rhodes. Who is also pretty angry at everyone.

But I agree the movie was basically "Tony and Steve suffer, also explosions".

>>82551883
>Stark hates Cap
>he is happy at the end with the letter and ignores the defense when steve brokes into the jail to free ttheir friends.And can bet your ass same will happen to everyone else.

>>82551911
>It didn't amount to anything because the entire conflict was brushed under the carpet in the last 5 minutes of the movie. Cap writes an apology letter, Tony is happy his friends get broken out of jail, and everything is hunky-dory.
Err... were you half asleep when you watched it? Team Cap is now wanted criminals and Tony is under Ross' direct control. Exactly how is that normal?

>>82549395
So Bucky was supposed to make Tony's parents death look like an accident but he shoots the window or something and that makes the car go off the road and hit a lamp post but both of Tony's parents are alive and he had to punch them to kill them. So why did the car go off the road?

>>82551875
Orange Slices are halftime / post-sports snack filled with vitamins which replace the ones you've just sweat out of your system.
They're also filled with fluid and carbs making them ideal to regain energy.

>>82551908
True, but he has Rhodey who believes in him, and presumably vision too. And cap seemed to come around at the end, judging by his letter, there was grudging respect and an admission that he went about it wrong. I think it sets up for some great growth and potential for dramatic reconciliation and sacrifices in the IW movies.

>>82550670
He always said, even before Avengers, that he would comeback maybe if he didn't have to wear the makeup.

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To be fait. The ending was a bit.ambiguous. we'll see what happens in the next movies

>>82551908
>Tony has no one

Rhodey? Peter? Hell, even Vision.

>>82551936
> Steve is offended at that.
but she wasnt
and Rummania or some other ountry mentioned during tony phone call didnt sign the Accords and they were the ones wanting to get her. Tony was protecting her.

biggest unresolved question for me:

who left coffee grounds in the sink?

>>82552056
Cap of course. He's the most retarded out of all of them

>>82551911
I dunno about " hunky-dory I mean..now Cap and his crew are wanted felons, and even though he and Tony are at least on okay terms, that doesn't account for the rest of the teams' feelings toward Tony.

>>82552056
Stark. He creates his own problems.

>>82549452
>>82550115

The neighborhoods they showed him as living in for the previous films are really fucking expensive, which doesn't make any sense for the type of home life he's supposed to have in the books. I'm glad they made the move.

>>82552074
BUT WAS HIS AUNT ALWAYS A MILF

>>82552049
>but she wasnt
And? Steve Rogers does NOT believe human rights is exclusively reserved for American citizens. And he would literally fight to support that view.

>>82552056
Vision

>>82551963
>Team Cap is now wanted criminals
they know they were criminals when they accpeted caps offer.They know Tony cant change that. And Tony ignores Ross orders even at the end.

>>82551964
He breaks the front wheel of the car causing it to hit lamp post.

The punch and strangling are a bit stranger but I guess Hydra could mess with the autopsy

>>82552098
>And Tony ignores Ross orders even at the end.
And Ross will hang that over Tony's head for the foreseeable future. Ross is the real leader of the Avengers now, he made UN his bitch.

>>82552095
>does NOT believe human rights is exclusively reserved for American citizens.
Well he sure as hell doesnt care about that when other country wants to get her hands on her for crimes against other persons human rights.

>>82552074
Well, in those versions Uncle Ben is a pretty well-off guy: Head electricist of a major company in the Raimi movies, bridge construction supervisor in the Webb movies.

Which bears to question: What is Uncle Ben's job in the comics?

>>82552096
but vision doesn't drink coffee!

or does he?

>>82550895
He really has lost everyone except Rhodes at this point. I thought he'd be more fucked up after losing Jarvis than he was, but you can still kind of see it in AoU even if none of the other characters notice (par for the course), and of course at that point he still had Rhodey and Pepper. He seemed to be growing close to Bruce and then Bruce fucked off.

If they'd killed off Rhodes he'd have had even less than he had in that cave in Afghanistan. And everyone would probably still assume he was fine, because he's got all that money and all those quick jokes.

>>82552126
>Well he sure as hell doesnt care about that when other country wants to get her hands on her for crimes against other persons human rights.
The only reason that happened was because Crossbones was dead and they needed someone else to blame. It was unreasonable.

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>>82552042
Yes, yes, but Vision is in some personal crisis, Peter is too much young, and Rhodey ( his best friend, probably the only one who has) risks being paralyzed.

At the beginning the base of the Avengers will be a sad place.

>>82552121
>And Ross will hang that over Tony's head for the foreseeable future
he didnt do it for the moskow incident. What makes you think he will i the future, tony is good a diplomacywith burocrats.

I still don't understand why this movie is so praised while pretty much everyone kept shitting on BvS.
CW wasn't even that good in comparison.

>>82551560
She was literally throwing herself at him in Winter Soldier during the Apartment Sequence, and every single scene where SHIELD is acting suspicious about Cap she calls them out on it.
It was pretty clear that she wanted his dick.

>>82552133
>Pepper left Tony because of Ultron

>>82552151
That's the plot of Infinity War 1.

>>82552158
>he didnt do it for the moskow incident. What makes you think he will i the future, tony is good a diplomacywith burocrats.
Ross outright refused to accept evidence that Bucky was innocent. That was the hint that he is now in charge and is going to create the Thunderbolts now. He now has the power he wanted since TIH.

>>82552146
>he only reason that happened was because Crossbones was dead and they needed someone else to blame
niggeria wasnt the country that wanted her dude, it was romania or some other european shit. It is mentioned during the phone call tony gets and when he says why she put her on house arrest.

>>82552162
Most of the world doesn't share your opinion, Mr. Anon.

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>>82552203
>mfw Zemo is the leader of the Thunderbolts

>>82550606
cap is such a slut

he's kissed three entire women!

SLUT

>>82549781
Its also saturday, i just woke up, had to catch the latest show.

>>82552203
They didnt bring any eveidence of it, and Bucky would still have to pay his crimes. Since is more than one not just the fake bomb.

>>82552203
Is it posible for them to do the bolts now that suicideaqaud is a thing

>>82550606
She looks like a less attractive Jennifer Lawrence.

>>82549679
His scene rescuing Wanda was great

>>82550462
Captain Wakanda??

>>82552280
They did Civil War right after BvS and that was a pretty good success.

>>82550734
the point is that rumlow put them in a no-win situation.

wanda chose to save the 100 people in the ground and killed 50 people in the building and for some reason people got mad

>>82551287
He killed countless giants.

>>82552225
Well, most of the world has shit taste, then.

>>82552308

I think it was supposed to be a final straw thing that didn't come across fully

>>82552320
Guess which demographic you belong to.

>>82552308
>and killed 50 people in the building and for some reason people got mad
becasue those people still matters to the law even with the most of good intentions.

>>82552327
ross made it pretty clear

>>82552280
The bullshit with the Accords opens up the possibility of the Thunderbolts more than anything else. Ross will want his own team of supers in case the Avengers decide they don't want to play ball with him.

>>82552289
>She looks like a more attractive Jennifer Lawrence.
fixed

>>82552274
>They didnt bring any eveidence of it
Tony SENT Ross the police reports, including the disguise used to impersonate Bucky that they found that Zemo intentionally left behind. Ross read it and ignored it, because he is Ross and it is more politically convenient for Bucky to die.

Just came back from the movie and holy shit, I loved Zemo as the villain. Something about a regular guy managing to fuck up the Avengers is so great, considering aliens and robots and shit couldn't do it.

Loved it, not sure if I like it better than TWS or not. Easily my top two MCU movies anyway.

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>>82549395
Imagine a world where cap's shield is made of uranium.

>>82552280
People would probably call ripoff if they tried Ellis's version, but the original version of the team concept could still go over fairly well.

>>82552362
Bucky had more crimes than just the bomb thats why they still wanted him.

>>82552098
But, where the hell is Nick Fury now? It was a respected figure for anyone. it would be enough that there was him to solve all this mess. Bad time to take a vacation.

>People on Facebook keep calling CW a BvS ripoff.
I think I'm getting an aneurysm. How can people be this god damn retarded?

>>82552387

stopping Zemo Sr from nuking everyone or some such shit

>>82551447
Poor Dr Connors...

>>82552347
i was joking about that last part. of course people were going to get mad.

the scene with the social worker at MIT was a bit rough. you can go out of your way in the movie to save everyone you can. you can save a million people and go home feeling like a winner. but if so much as 1 person dies and their family finds you, they have the power to make you feel like complete shit.

>>82552127

I don't think either of those jobs would pay THAT much. The homes in the neighborhoods from both films are $1-2million+ homes.

>>82552383
>Bucky had more crimes than just the bomb thats why they still wanted him.
You missed the point; Ross REFUSED to pass the new info to the UN, because he is in charge and he doesn't care what the UN wants. The UN is just there to approve everything Ross wants, the worst case scenario has happened. We have Ross with no accountability.

>>82552377
considering how MCU Zemo is, it's probably going to be Ellisbolts

>>82552178
You're blowing it way out of proportion. They really needed another scene together in this movie before the smooch.

>>82552364
All things considering, if Black Widow made all those Hydra files public, why didn't Tony find out what happened sooner?

He never considered sifting through all that Hydra data for intel?

>>82552437
I don't know, they've been pushing the original version really hard over in Marvel lately.

I am happy for this because I really hate what Ellis did to the team.

8/10 movie. All the characters had their spot, Vision had more character and made more sense than he did in Avengers 2, same with Wanda, and there were supposed to be important there.

The main story is great and the villain makes sense (and I am not mad they made Zemo so different from comics).

I would add 2 points if they cut some storylines and some characters. I still think Spider-Man didn't need to be there - it would work better without him - and the story would be better if they cut out Sokovian Accords and made it purely about Winter Soldier and reaction to him. Also I think it would be better without Black Panther and his storyline.

Not saying it was bad, all the characters - including Black Panther and Spider-Man - had an arch, a motivation, a clear goal, etc, but the story would be more clear and "pure" without them.

But it was a great movie. Will see again.

>>82551331
God damn they get it.

>>82552001
Most of my theater didn't get this, either. I have a feeling that this joke was lost on a lot of people who have been complete and utter nerds their whole lives.

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Holy fuck they really made Peter a poorfag, actually this might be the poorest Peter has ever been.

Almost always May at least had a nice house even with gorillion of bills but now he lives in ngga hood.

>>82552440
>You're blowing it way out of proportion. They really needed another scene together in this movie before the smooch.
On that note, the Civil War writers say they believe Steve Rogers was no longer a virgin when he was frozen in ice. The idea being it makes no sense that someone that physically attractive and travelling across America, could not have possibly avoided meeting hot and willing women.

And really, Peggy Carter was never officially Steve's girlfriend for most of the film.

>>82552430
it didnt matter and he didnt says the UN wouldnt know, they had zeemo arrested for a reason and was the one acused for wakanda kings death. THE UN WANTS BUCKY with our without the assesination of wakanda king he has a worlwide crimanl record. He does what the UN wants it doesnt matter if he likes it.

>>82552489
May is so sexy now tho

There is no way she is single

Andrew Garfield was almost integrated in the MCU in 2012. I wonder how different the movie would've turned out had that happened.

>>82552489

that's the right thing to do

now he's even more sympathetic, he can't turn in to a rich dick asshole, he can have banter with tony when tony takes him to his towers and shows him his cars and shit, and mj will love him for who he is not what he has, it's fucking perfect. peter is the people's champion, and the fact that he's super smart, nice and honest and also broke as shit will make the people love him even more

>>82552475
>same with wanda
the only thing she did all movie was agreeing with the last man she talked to.

>>82552522
Peter said he's been Spidey for six months, so we can assume Ben had already died and that was "if you can help, and you don't, you have failed" thing Peter groomed about.

Stark will fuck her though, 100000% sure.

>>82552520
>THE UN WANTS BUCKY with our without the assesination of wakanda king he has a worlwide crimanl record. He does what the UN wants it doesnt matter if he likes it.
You outright ignored the fact that Ross IGNORED EVIDENCE. He didn't say the evidence doesn't matter, he just refuse to do anything about it. Ross never gave a damn about the UN.

Do you think the UN would not care that the personal who ACTUALLY blew up their building, would be on the loose? This isn't about Bucky, this is about catching the one responsible for blowing up the UN. Are you saying it is fine to let the real culprit get away because you rather catch the scapegoat?

>>82552529
Would've been terrible

>>82552489
>Tony made the Spider-Man suit instead of Peter

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>>82552400
You're on facebook. That whole site is cancer

>>82549801
You know he was involved with turning Steve Rogers into Cap, right? He also was a founding member of SHIELD

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>>82552489
I'm cool with it

So Iron Man is going to use his mind alteration hologram thing to get Bucky's trigger words out, right?

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>>82552347
>>82552308

Wanda is not to blame. Cap would have to immobilize the Crossbone immediately, rather than get to chat and give him all the time to make Allah akbar.

I understand that was important for Steve, he still human, but if I had to blame someone, it's all him, the rest of the team acted flawlessly during the mission.

>>82552489
This is also the youngest he's ever been

>>82552601
Makes more sense in the context that Peter is far too poor to develop an actual supersuit.

>>82552400
Except their right. Especially when the hero vs. hero conflict of CW was so forced, whereas in BvS it was at the center of every plot point.

>>82552584
>Stark will fuck her though, 100000% sure.
I hope not, that would be weird really

>>82552618
Vision has the Mind Gem. If that can't do it, nothing can.

>>82552643

I remember the Russos literally saying that CW got the green light because BvS became a thing

>>82552595
I like Holland, but I actually liked Garfield. He would've been fun to see bounce off the characters, too.

But I doubt Garfield's version would ever support Stark even out of admiration.

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>>82552643

>>82552192
Yes.
Honestly though, immediately after Iron Man 1, the writers just fucked Pepper's characterization all to hell. Part of what made her character so great was that she was the only one who could correctly interpret Tony's bullshit, and call him on it. Then Iron Man 2, 3, Avengers - every appearance after that she either didn't pay attention or didn't care. The end of IM3 was probably the worst. If you have to sacrifice a significant part of your identity to make a loved one happy, and their reaction is to be happy with that, it's not a good relationship.

Huh. I really got off track there. Anyway.

>>82552590
>Do you think the UN would not care that the personal who ACTUALLY blew up their building, would be on the loose?
And the evidence pointed to the psychriatist who helped bucky run away. How do you find that guy, by finding bucky who supposedly was helped by him becasue nobody knew about the dam brainwiashing even in the end of the movie.

>>82550082
But anon, the life gem doesn't exist

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here ya go

>>82552584
>Tony reverse cucks Pepper with Aunt May for ditching him at MIT

>>82552635
>>82552489
>so poor, he only computer is a Macintosh most likely older than he is

>>82552489
My problem is that (might be my impression) that the living room was actually pretty nice (where Aunt sat with Tony) but Peter's room was literally a closet,bed and old fucking PC.

This is some Harry Potter shit.

>>82552666

source for my post

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/26/director-says-marvel-made-captain-america-civil-war-because-of-batman-v-superman-announcement

>Filmmakers Joe and Anthony Russo believe Marvel moved forward with Captain America: Civil War because of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice's announcement.

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>>82552562
>he can have banter with tony when tony takes him to his towers and shows him his cars and shit,

>>82552679
>Tony Stank - Table for one.

>>82552673
>How do you find that guy, by finding bucky who supposedly was helped by him
That is retarded and I will leave you in your delusions. Bucky was being framed and here you are still saying he could be on the same side? You are crazier than Ross.

>>82552666
They began drafting "Captain America 3" right after "The Winter Soldier" and it'd be just Captain America and Falcon searching for the Winter Soldier while Baron Zemo manipulates the government. When "Batman V Superman" was greenlit, Feige decided to move forward with "Civil War", which was something that had already been pitched to him and he had considered, but always had some reluctance towards because it was so massive.

It's been said the script was written before the writers got to see "Ant-Man", so in the very first draft Scott was on Team Stark because they didn't know he'd hold a grudge against Iron Man.

>>82552584
Civil War II: Is It Weird That Tony Is Banging Peter's Aunt?

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>>82552654
weirder things have happened

>>82552672
Who hurt you, Anon?

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>>82552643
>whereas in BvS it was at the center of every plot point

>>82552738
Spider-Man Homecoming: Tony marries Aunt May and she and Peter move into Stark's home.

>>82552691
He probably got it from a dumpster.

I like the idea of dumpster diver Peter.

I can bet that there will be scene where Peter gets bullied or something at school, Tony finds out and next day he picks him up in Lambo.

>>82552731
>we have this guy that framed this know crimianl
>BUT HELPS HIM ESCAPE
Do you still let him go? it was perfectly reasonable to still go for bucky since it was obvious they had a relationship of some kind. No one knew about the brainwashing.
Which is fucking stupid becasue aparently zemo knew about this by reading hydra documents from hte internet but thats other topic.

>>82552738
>Civil War II: Is It Weird That Tony Is Banging Peter's Aunt?
Weirder than the actors actually banged in real life, before she got married.

>>82552672
Is it true that Paltrow would like to return, while the Marvel has no intention of calling her again because of her Budget?

>>82552776
He DID get it from dumpster, he actually said he saw CD player that he couldn't snatch from garbage.

>>82552801
>>we have this guy that framed this know crimianl
>>BUT HELPS HIM ESCAPE
That's enough, it is clear you are crazier than Ross, go and turn yourself into Red Hulk or something.

>>82552784
I'd prefer it if Peter learns to become cool on his own rather than leeching Tony's cool.

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>>82552522
hubba hubba

>>82552805
All it's know is that they didn't call her.

>>82552776
>>82552809
Tony literally called him a dumpster diver, too, if I remember correctly
That whole scene where he checked out Peter's room was gold

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>>82552192
>Ultron was a better lover

>>82549801
He loved Cap to death
Maybe he wanted to try again

Peter and May will take care of Tony loneliness

>>82552367
every guy he throws it at gets cancer