Too soon. Give it another ten years.
>>82455442
Agreed anon
Posting later
>>82455394
>>82455394
God damn it, fuck you man.
I just wanna forget this ever happened.
ONE DAY MORE
>>82458059
>>82458324
Give a few minutes
Coming in a few
>>82458324
I would watch an OMD musical
>>82455394
Is there a "one more gay" edit of this?
>>82458324
ONE DAY MORE TIL REVOLUTION
MUH AUNTIE MAY
Is this the comic where Aunt May says she's always known Peter was spider-man before she dies?
N-no aunt may! You were only 82!!!
>>82459530
This art is terrible
>>82459560
>Peter visits Beast
>Beast doesn't tell him about the golden kid who can fix any injury
Hank is an asshole.
>>82459375
Wait, fucking what?
Jarvis is Aunt May's Cousin?
I...
What?
>>82459624
He's just saying that so the hospital isn't suspicious
>>82459653
To this day I still can't fathom why Peter couldn't let her Aunt die, I mean, shit happens, people lose loved ones every day.
Why did Peter have to be that special snowflake that didn't lose his?
God damn it, now I'm more pissed. He doesn't even care about her anymore nowadays.
All this story ever did was ruin Peter's life in every way.
>>82459622
Or, you know, plot reasons.
>>82459728
Guilt.
He failed to save his Uncle and now he failed to save his aunt. They were the only people who gave him genuine love and they died because of his actions.
>>82459790
HHHHHHHEEEEEEEEERE WE GO!
>>82459800
>They were the only people who gave him genuine love
But Mary Jane, though.
He still had her, and we damn well know what could've been had this fucking thing never happened.
Peter could've been happy.
We could've been happy.
Instead all we got was suffering and anger.
>>82455394
I actually like this book, I just fucking hate the ending and the implications of the reboot at the time.
>>82459876
Why does she have a bar for energy projection?
I can't believe faggots still get triggered by this.
>>82459886
yeah the whole story was just retarded.
A bullet wound.
In a world full of advanced surgery, super intelligent people, and magic, they can't fix a fucking bullet wound.
Why was this allowed to happen? Why did no one stop Quesada?
>they could have done a story where Pete learns to overcome his hang-ups about death and mark a major milestone towards his adulthood
>instead they give him a magic divorce and make him a teenager again in all but age
for what purpose
>Oh fuck, I'm starting to regret having a kid and getting married!
>Guess I'll make sure my hero Spider-Man doesn't have to go through it!
>And also use him to get rid of my sexual urges for my daughter!
Man fuck Quesada.
>>82459560
>Reed Richards brain has been used to recreate the universe.
>He has build weapons capable of killing celestials.
> Made a bridge that allows him to see everything throught space and time.
Can't save a wounded old lady
???
>>82460131
Because he was the editor-in-chief.
>>82455394
We're gonna celebreate
>>82460229
They wanted a young Peter with no marriage
>>82460266
>They
Quesada wanted it.
>>82460275
They're all guilty for not stopping him.
All of them.
>>82460290
He was the boss, they couldn't even if they wanted.
>>82459728
It's not just that shit happens. She's an old lady. Her time would be up soon anyways, and no amount of "It was my fault" should change that. Sacrificing his future for a person with no future, ruining all possibilities for him and people around him, it was such a selfish and nonsensical decision.
>>82460241
>muh special treatment
Seriously, this makes me even more pissed off at the bait and switch they did with Aunt May's "death" later on. Since it was such a proper farewell compared to this shit.
>>82460309
>Only following orders
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nuremberg_defense
>>82460309
Sorry for using a videogame example here, but Kojima, the guy who had all creative control for the Metal Gear games, wanted Snake to die at the end of Metal Gear Solid 4.
He stopped because the staff refused to do it, and so he was forced to come up with an ending separate from what he wanted.
As much as people say they have to do what the boss tells them to. Ultimately if enough people show they won't budge, then the boss would be the one conceding more often than not.
I love how many plotholes this story has.
You mean to tell me Peter talked to Doom, and Doom had no way of helping May? The man would have done it in a heartbeat if it meant Peter owing him a favor later on.
>>82460340
Oh, fuck it all.
So this is how it all comes tumbling down.
Did Quesada even admit why he decided to pull this bullshit? An apology? Fucking ANYTHING?
How does one man get away with basically ruining another man's life? Even if said man is fictional, I bet that in its time people must have gotten fucking mad as all hell.
>>82460391
Yeah, but Kojima is reasonable.
Quesada would have probably fired people for not complying.
>>82460417
He got what he wanted. Peter became a bachelor again, because Quesada sees Peter as an extension of himself.
>>82460444
Mephisto moves in devious ways isn't quite as charming as
>Fool, Doctor Doom does as he pleases!
but still feels about as corny.
Also he just looks like some pervy flasher that really likes red.
I imagine One More Day was a very subtle way of Joe trying to tell his wife he wanted a divorce.
>>82460350
Can Peter and MJ never marry each other (again) after this deal? Wouldn't it be sweeter to make one of them just incapable of loving the other and unable to know why, while the other does know and is still in love?
>>82460417
>I bet that in its time people must have gotten fucking mad as all hell.
>in its time
>>82460548
>the scheme so supreme I let out a scream
>>82460595
>Well gee MJ, not even Reed could save her.
>Lets just give my aunt another 5 years at most and give up this marriage we've worked so hard on.
>>82460548
>MUH SCHEME SUPREME
>>82459068
Page one.
I already can't stop vomiting. What a melodramatic piece of crap.
What pisses me off is that Quesada didn't make Aunt May's injury seem more severe. Like
>"Sorry Mr Parker, the bullet created shards all over her insides, we can't save her."
>>82460671
>>82455394
I had never read this up until today.
I refused to believe people when they said that this ruined Spider-Man for many years.
Now I see the truth.
And I'm so mad.
Who approved this shitty thing? What could've possibly gone through a man's head that he decides that ruining a decades old marriage was an okay thing to do?
Was there no backlash to this? Did no one care enough to complain?
If that's the case, then this was the fan's fault as well for never speaking up.
>>82460725
>That's right Peter!
>I caused you to abort your future child through all time!
>>82460702
Quesada is the devil and he hates God for his failed marriage.
Makes sense.
>>82460765
>Goes off and fucks another man anyways.
>>82460737
There was a HUGE backlash the moment it was finished. Its arguably the biggest mistake Marvel ever made.
>>82460739
>>82460694
>Putting an arc reactor in Aunt May
Truly, this is the only way to save OMD.
>>82460788
Oh, fuck you.
That's pouring salt into the wound.
>>82459079
This is the most Gary-Stu of all Gary-Stu's. Quesadilla literally drew himself as Peter Parker and ruined one of the sweetest romances in the history of comicdom. They could have done an entire series based on Mary Jane just being a sweet woman who loves a super hero.
>>82460780
Wanna know what would have been hilarious?
Aunt May having a stroke right after Mephisto reset the world.
>>82460809
>Aunt May's wheat cakes
>Thank you Aunt May, For Truly the Hunger is Upon me once more.
>>82460862
Isn't Lilly the girl that turns into a demon or some shit? I remember her from The Origin of the Species story, kinda.
>>82460737
>Was there no backlash to this? Did no one care enough to complain?
>>82460900
>To JMS from the Marvel gang
They have no shame huh
>>82460900
And then the hatemail came pouring in.
>>82460901
>>82460965
Now this is just in poor taste.
>>82460965
Oh my fucking God.
They even had the balls to rub this shit in after the fucking bullshit they pulled.
Jesus christ.
I'm legit mad now, I realize that there was a reason for why I never bothered reading this garbage.
At the end, did anything good ever come out of this trainwreck?
>>82459110
>Tune your ear to the frequency of despair, and cross-reference by the longitude and latitude of a heart in agony
Was this supposed to be comically stupid? It sounds like the opening of an episode of The Scary Door.
The end thanks for suffering
>>82460901
Honestly that would have at least been the proper "Mephisto" thing to do.
But this wasn't about Mephisto.
This was a story about Quesadillas.
>>82461012
>At the end, did anything good ever come out of this trainwreck?
Renew Your Vows, but that would've happened eventually without it.
>>82461032
Thank you for ruining my day.
I never asked for any of this.
>>82461033
Seriously. Replace every panel of Mephisto with Quesada's face. That's what the story truly is.
>>82455394
I think I die a little on the inside whenever anyone brings this shit up.Now go fucking go balls deep and storytime A Moment in Time, that's just some inexcusable shit, for real.
>>82459886
Peter is a dumb ass man-child.
It's not his fault, the writers made him that way. There are ways to make Spider Man appealing while still letting Peter Parker grow up. Get a real job, start a family. They just want him to stay in a permanent state of adolescence because Marvel has decreed that nothing can ever really change. That leads to him coming across as obnoxious and self centered all the time and making absolutely pants on head retarded decisions if the end result is the status quo goes back to what the writers think readers want to see. which is the same recycled shit that worked in some other decade.
So, Quesada honestly thought Peter/MJ was an unpopular pairing? Why? Does he not read comics by other writers?
>>82460244
Underrated and checked.
>>82459560
reed fucking richard can't fix it?
WHAT FUCKING USE IS HE
>>82461220
Also Doom. And Tony. And Beast who knows mutants that can heal people through touch.
>>82461090
Oh, that would be fun. Does anyone have it on hand?
>>82461192
No, he just hated the idea of a married Spider-Man. Coincidentally he underwent a bitter divorce some time before.
>>82460407
That's nothing. Earlier in the run Peter is owed a favor from Loki. "Hey, can you sneak out a piece of that gold apple that makes you Asgardians immortal to save my Aunt?"
>>82459560
This is the most retarded thing ever.
Spidey goes to consult FIVE, count them, FUCKING FIVE of the smartest and most resourceful people on the 616 universe and some-fucking-how not a single one has any idea how to treat a MISERABLE GUN WOUND when half of them have the technology to cure cancer?
I just literally can't.
What the fuck is this and why does it exist.
>>82459560
>Visits Morpheus, the fucking Vampire
Vamp May when.
>>82461316
I mean look how smart these fucks are.
>>82460417
I believe Spider Man lost a few readers. I haven't bought a spider man comic since OMD. I have no reason to follow the story any more. It's completely different and convoluded. Some great stories are no longer cannon because MJ and Peter were never a thing. No "Kraven's Last Hunt", No Spectacular Spiderman #200 with Harry Osborne's death. No Maximum Carnage.
Fuck you, I like Maximum Carnage, so what? Wanna fight about it?
Does anyone have that picture that points out that Quesada made a character based on his daughter for Peter, who Quesada self inserts as, to date?
>>82461339
This is fucking hilarious.
>>82461370Anon, please, I liked Maximum Carnage too, albeit a bit uneventful and kinda dragged on a bit, I still enjoyed it. The videogame was specially good and something I remember very fondly.
>>82461339
>Can't come up with something smart for T'Challa to say.
>Fuck it, let's just have him shit on Wolverine.
10/10 writing.
>>82461520
I also like the fact that they're all wearing lab coats, especially Tony and T'challa, who are suited up underneath them.
>>82461265
i think mephisto (Quaseda) trying to make every hero forget that their have ability to heal people
It warms my heart to see a new generation of /co/mrades know and share my hate for Joe Quesada.
>>82460900
I had never finished the story, so I never read the text in the bottom.
What a kick to the balls.
>>82461564
How did Quesada last so long as Editor-in-Chief. He didn't make that many good decisions, IIRC.
>>82459068
I'm dying from the first page lmao
>>82460350
Please I would have given all my aunts and uncles.
>>82459677
Where the fuck are those nigthwalkers when the x men fuck shit up
At least we still got MC2.
....Is MJ not canon to the MCU?
>>82459325
What a goddamned piece of shit human being
>>82462052
Yeah, Tony's characterization did not have a good time during and after Civil War.
>>82462013
>....Is MJ not canon to the MCU?
She will be. People threw a shit fit over OMD in the newspaper strip, and they'll set theaters on fire over it.
Marvel getting the rights back is the best thing for the fans since Disney will push hard for synergy.
>>82460739
why does marvel still exist after this
>>82462052
more like
>What a goddamned piece of shit writer
Iron Man went from 0 to 100% nazi during CW.
>>82459451
>if you should read but one comic this decade, this one's it
lmaooooo
>>82459624
Lol no, they were dating at the time though. The relationship was actually kind of sweet.
>Peter doesn't really react to all the weird people suddenly telling him their life stories
>Mephisto very clearly explains that he will alter the past so that Peter and MJ were never married, but Peter the genius doesn't understand what he's talking about
>Peter and MJ have a super duper special rainbow love that's a literal gift from God
>MJ says "I remember all of it. Every little detail. And no matter what that monster does, nothing will ever take that away from me", after Mephisto explains that he will take that away from her
>Peter and MJ doing a deal with the devil
Man, even without the retcon, this is still shit.
>>82459959
You didn't read the arc where she learned the Masenko? I cry every time.
>>82461008
>JJJ being a real sap at heart
God, I love it.
>>82461032
Fuck you
Fuck this
Fuck Everything
>>82462273
Too bad it never happened now.
>>82462102
>>82462141
I've read Civil War, I thought he was a bit cartoonish there, but I didn't realize how close he came to Godwin's Law until now.
>>82459560
>>82462440
>>82461008
One day, /co/
One day they will retcon the retcon
Movie synergy will come back into play
Quesada will finally kill himself
Marvel will realize that MJ and Peter belong together and it could not be otherwise
And the tears will run down our cheeks
And we will be at peace again
>>82462311
J.J has plenty of other great redeeming moments, though.
>>82461293
Not like Thor wouldn't do it anyway.
That is, if Tony hadn't pissed him off so badly.
Civil War was a neat concept, but it really just started everything bad that happened with Marvel that hasn't been undone. Villain Iron Man, Thor not being able to hang out with other capes regularly, manchild Peter, and a fucking event every year while advertising the next two events and teasing how they connect together.
>Quesada
>Bendis
>Slott
What did Spider-Man fans keep doing to deserve such an onslaught
>>82460900
So the whole point of this comic was for Mephisto to feed off of our misery, right?
>>82462535
And this is Parker Luck
It's all some sort of fourth-wall-breaking 2deep4u commentary on comic book fans?
>>82460737
One More Day is an industry-wide meme.
Its like Women In Refrigerators, Doombot, Woman Of Kleenex, and Preptime.
>>82462535
They got great stories from JMS.
>>82462535
>Quesada divorces his wife
>Kills off Pete's marriage
>Bendis gets himself a new African kid
>Kills off Pete to replace him with a new black kid
I think I'm seeing a pattern here...
>>82462575
>Woman Of Kleenex
I am unfamiliar with this one. Explain?
>>82461012
>At the end, did anything good ever come out of this trainwreck?
Did you like SpOck, Spider-Verse, Spider-Gwen, or Silk?
If not, then no.
>>82461068
Can we get someone on this?
>>82460716
Another one of these
>>82462594
Back in the day (70's? too lazy to look it up) someone wrote a paper about how Superman fucking Lois Lane would cause his sperm to shoot out of her like a gun, and if she got pregnant somehow the baby would kick through her uterus in a shower of gore.
Its never been canon in comics this was the way it worked, we've had confirmed sex between them even before that paper but casuals believe it. The handwave explanation is "red sun heat lamps while getting it on, babby don't get powers till the cord is cut".
Its more used as a reference to superpowers being the Midas Touch where its actually a really shitty life-altering thing in disguise. You know, basically Invincible and The Boys.
I'll never stop being angry about this, it's fucking ridiculous. Every now and then I think "Hey maybe I'll give Marvel another go" and then I remember this, Ultimatum, Mettle dying or even just Quesada's fat fucking face and it just kills my mood. I don't even know if I'll go back if they do ever undo this fuckfest but I'd be a helluva lot more forgiving if this bullshit never happened. At least the movies so far haven't pulled anything this retarded, too much money involved for that.
>dearest person in your life
>is your aunt who's already old and not your wife who you've planned to spend the rest of your life together.
Worst writing ever
>>82462627
Spider-verse was okay, Spock wasn't terrible. Silk is awful and Spider-gwen feels kind of pander-y but isn't terrible. Mr Negative is a shit villain, Anti Venom was fucking lame too.
>>82460739
Very fast bullet moving at incredible hihg speed
>>82462722
I have no marriage and I must scream. QUESSEEEDAAA!
>>82462592
To be fair, comic creators using their real life inspiration for the characters is how Hulk, the X-Men, and Spider-man came to exist in the first place.
Shit, X-Men especially. That was basically Stan Lee lashing out at the world.
The problem is that these guys can't isolate their bitterness from what they write. To relate to the character and be able to keep writing, they have to make the character feel what they do at the present rather than using experiences from your entire life and from the lives of those around you as inspiration.
>>82460332
>rationalwiki
>>82462627
Not that anon, but I liked the Patton Parnel part of the spider-verse thing. I kind of wished we could see a Spider-Monster who was around longer.
>>82462736
>Anti-Venom
>bad
>giving SpOck any kind of praise
Your taste is terrible.
>>82462535
>What did Spider-Man fans keep doing to deserve such an onslaught
they keep feeding the hand that bites them
>>82462766
After fucking Ultimatum happened comic companies really needed to institute a policy where you aren't allowed to make any creative decisions for at least two years after a personal tragedy, maybe longer depending on what it is.
>>82462530
>Civil War was a neat concept, but it really just started everything bad that happened with Marvel that hasn't been undone. Villain Iron Man, Thor not being able to hang out with other capes regularly, manchild Peter, and a fucking event every year while advertising the next two events and teasing how they connect together.
That's the problem - it was a concept. They all got together, had this idea, and then proceeded to force it down everyone's throats no matter how badly it flew in the face of common sense. It's the very fucking opposite of organic writing and it's been that way for almost a decade now. Characters are simple vehicles for the writers to do and say whatever they feel to the point where characterization is annihilated and irrelevant.
It wouldn't have been so bad if they forgot about it like they did with all their other crossovers, but they insisted on thoroughly fucking over the rest of their books with that shit and doubling down on what they knew immediately to be a horrendous fucking mistake with such contempt and condescension for the audience.
It's fucking bad writing 101: you don't force a plot on your characters - you let the characters dictate the outcome and the action. And yet the writers and editors wonder why we hate them.
>>82462201
>Peter doesn't really react to all the weird people suddenly telling him their life stories
I honestly don't want to spend my time re-reading through the story, so I must have missed the resolution of what that was all about.
What was that all about?
I have had dreams where I was writing for Marvel or DC and made some big change to a long standing character, the minute another writer condemns me I reply "Is it really any worse than Spidey selling his daughter to the devil?"
>>82462535
>we could've had Stern again
>we got Slott
Fuck this world.
>>82462990
The mystery people were alternate versions of Peter, basically showing the lives he may have lived had he not become Spider-Man, and the little girl and woman are both the daughter that Peter would have if he had decided not to take Mephisto's offer.
>>82462736
>Spider-verse was okay
The main event was Ultimatum-tier in terms of writing quality.
>>82462201
I got the impression that it was like a dream for him, so it wasn't like having a normal conversation. The book did show that he was exhausted and obviously there was supernatural forces going on around him.
>>82463056
Sure, but I loved all the shout outs to spider-canon, it was a fanboy book. Also, using a villain from the J.M.S run was really effective for me because that was one of the main spider books I grew up with.
>>82462766
The problem is that they're hacks. I mean you want to beat around the bush about it, but that's what it is. Comics never really attract serious literary talent, and the Big Two especially have no interest in paying for it.
Our problem is that for a few years you had an exponential level of talent explore the genre and the industry that made it's dollar on readers. Look at all the Hollywood scripts optioned - they're overwhelmingly Moore and Miller. Millar gets a bunch of money, but I think that's because he sold his soul to the Devil and they always change his stories.
>>82462807
B-but Stargirl
>>82462807
The issue is that personal tragedy has also had a direct hand in the creation of some of the greatest artworks of all time.
Tragedy makes any work more extreme, basically.
>>82463026
The response would probably be "You aren't the boss, your story has to actually be good".
>>82463130
>Comics never really attract serious literary talent, and the Big Two especially have no interest in paying for it.
Because the only way to get into the Big Two right now is nepotism.
That's it. Not by being talent scouted, not by you coming to them with a job application, its "Hey, I know a guy."
>>82462767
I just posted the first thing that came up in the google search for the joke. Don't actually concern yourself with the shitty website.
>>82462807
Without divorce as a catalyst we never would have gotten Cerebus- the sexist years or the movie True lies! We need personal tragedy for our most batshit insane creators! I don't want to live in a world where 9/11 didn't happen and we didn't get holy terror, a world where I can't make fun of "loss". THE WORLD NEEDS OUR MELANCHOLY ARTISTS!
>>82463157
I love fapping to people's dead sisters, so I mean yeah obviously this was a good thing.
>>82463208
The problem is when those guys get to call the shots at a continuity that's been built up by masters over the decades.
Like handing creative control of the works of Tolkien over to the Fifty Shades woman because she was just next in line to become the boss.
Or giving full creative control of JK Rowling's Harry Potter universe to Uwe Boll because the dude was friends with the owner of it.
You wanna create your own thing and go nuts with it, all the better. But there's a certain level of curatorship that needs to exist when handling bigger works.
>>82463274
>giving full creative control of JK Rowling's Harry Potter universe to Uwe Boll
Not much would change, because both Rowling and Boll are hacks.
Actually, Boll is capable of producing stuff like Rampage once in a while, so maybe it'd even improve.
>>82463274
Literally half of all superhero books are trash, by necessity writers need to pick and choose which stories to acknowledge. Continuity just isn't worth worrying about, fostering talent and taking risks is more important than worrying about reigning in mourning creators.
>>82459560
>Even visits Dead Girl
He's really covering all his bases
>>82458357
What program is that?
>>82460737
Oh no, everyone, EEEVVVVVERYONE considers it to be an utter disaster and Quesada's personal crusade.
But because it's Quesada's and because of runs that happened after, there's no retconning it now. A permanent black stain.
>>82455394
Has Deadpool ever made fun of this?
>>82462627
A lot of those could've happened even without this.
>>82464399
Yeah, I think so. It was years ago though so it would be difficult for me to find the issue.
>>82464367
What really bothers me is that if they'd just written about them growing apart and getting a divorce it might have worked, Queseda had this weird hang up about Peter being divorced, the level of man baby that they forced upon the character is absurd, like having him be a married virgin and not allowing him to get a college degree.
More recent books seem to be moving him rapidly into Adult territory, but with the new movies having a young Peter I wonder how long that will last.
>>82464137
He visits DocOck too, holy shit poor Peter
>>82460391
>>82460440
IIRC Kojima wanted Otacon and Snake to both face execution for their "action" throughout the series.
Snake still ended up dying anyway.
if they wanted a younger spiderman, they should have just introduce Miles Morales with Peter Parker going into semi-retirement due to marriage and fatherhood.
>>82460244
lel
>>82464496
Miles Morales didn't even exist yet, Ultimate Peter was still alive. God damn there are some youngfags in this thread.
>>82459122
>Spiderman
>not having blue thought-bubbles
>>82461192
No, he think married and older Spidey just limited the writer creativity so he try to make Spidey young and single to make more fresh and new story. It's all about business not what he hate or love, JQ was CCO after all.
>>82459560
Doctor fucking Doom can't cure a wound and use it as leverage to have Peter owe a big debt to him which he could exploit at any time?
>>82459517
Tilda Swinton sure could use a facelift here
>>82459544
I'm willing to bet half of my life's income that any Latin scholar would have a heart attack reading that sentence.
Comicbook writers NEVER get other languages right
>>82465368
No, he's talked about how he hated a marroed, happy leter parker. It had everything to do with personal prefence, amd nothing to do with business. Joe Quesadilla is a fucking hack
>>82462132
>yfw the Avengers just straight up kill Mephisto, in true MCU fashion
>>82455394
one of the best stories I have ever read
>>82461041
>Renew Your Vows
Wasn't that the one where Slott's new OC villain rips Hulk's arms out and beats up the Avengers with it. Then Pete has a kid called Anime instead of Mayday because fuck everything?
>>82463090
>Sure, but I loved all the shout outs to spider-canon, it was a fanboy book
If by "shout outs" you mean going out of its way to shit on every Spider-Man that wasn't the main one then sure. I mean fuck, the majority of Spider-Men are still dead from it.
>>82461560
>>82461560
That's... Wow. You just completely hit the nail on the head with regards to the problem with comics, particularly Spider-Man and Marvel comics as a whole, since Civil War. The whole aspect of the superhero as a healer has been so stripped from comics that all we have left is a bunch of kids at the reins smashing their action figures together.
I just don't understand why this needed to happen.
Like for what reason plot wise did Peter Parker have for retconning his own marriage? What bigger plan was at stake?
>>82462717
The papar also postulated that Supermans sperm would be able to fly like him, so every time he jizzed the swarm would fly around looking for a woman.
>>82464454
Maybe they'll try doing an Ultimate universe again for a young Peter.
>>82466325
Quesadilla is a little bitch, that's the only reason it happened.
>>82462627
SpOck is great. Not the best ever, but I liked him as a limited-time thing.
Spider-Gwen... has potential? I like the idea of exploring a hero from an alternate Marvel universe and her costume is great, they just need to improve the writing. (Without her we wouldn't have Gwenpool, though.)
Silk's the polar opposite of Spider-Gwen; awful concept, great writing.
Spider-Verse was such a fucking disappointment, though.
>>82461041
>Renew Your Vows
Yeah, that wasn't good at all. People just think it is because Peter and MJ are married in it. Ignoring the fact that they're still married in that AU, Renew Your Vows was complete and utter garbage.
It only exists to bait fans and as a launching spot for Slott's shitty OC, Regent. That's literally it.
>>82459800
She was a hundred fucking years old and would never have wanted him to make a literal deal with the devil.
>>82465466
>Wasn't that the one where Slott's new OC villain rips Hulk's arms out and beats up the Avengers with it.
That's not in there. But Regent was obnoxious and killed most of Avengers for sheer shock value.
>Then Pete has a kid called Anime instead of Mayday because fuck everything?
Yup. That definitely is in there.
>>82462627
>Did you like SpOck, Spider-Verse
Anyone with an iota of self dignity would know these two stories were fucking terrible.
>>82462736
>Spider-verse was okay, Spock wasn't terrible.
These are objectively wrong statements. Both of these stories were blights against comic history.
>>82463090
>it was a fanboy book
It literally was not.
It was Slott's "I hate Peter Parker!" book.
It was, literally, about systematically murdering Peter Parker. Universe by universe.
Spider-Verse was the antithesis of a fanbook. It was a hate book.
Thanks JMS.
>>82467258
It was more of a "LOLUMAD?" book.
It's a comic equivalent of a moderately attractive woman inviting you to her house, telling you to take your clothes off and when you think things are gonna get good you get a kick to the balls.
That's what Spiderverse was. Everytime something moderately exciting happened, it was shat on (Leopardon is the closest example of that I can remember right now). Inheritors were just "monkey see monkey kill" there was no tension with them, because tension and build-up requires good writing. It's just sudden deaths for shock value.
I'm not autistic enough to say that it's "crime against Spider-Man", but I can safely say it's a crime against good writing.
>>82460716
what did she say to mephisto?
>>82459388
Just fucking let her die you dumb bastard! I can't believe anyone at Marvel thought this was a good idea.
>>82455394
Why people are so butthurt by this even now? It sucks, it was terrible, but it's over. Deal with it.
Personally, he's better without her. The real problem is give him an equally worth or better love interest. It worked to Cyclops for a sizeble time.
>>82467501
I'm still so fucking salty about Leopardon.
All they had to do was have Leopardon force Solus to respawn, but get smashed in the process. That way, it still feels like a win for the good guys. Instead, we get the hypest reveal of the entire story followed by complete, utter, and disappointing failure.
>>82460828
>Peter, I couldn't save Aunt May. It'd tie me to a criminal
>But I could save the IRON MAIDEN
Cue Aunt May in an Iron Man version of the Spider-Ma'am costume
>>82462627
Those could have happened with the marriage. In fact, they would have been better stories WITH the marriage and with Peter having an emotional touchstone to keep him going/remind him what he's fighting for.
But no, we get juvenile manchild.
>>82459477
No, that was a good story
>>82467064
The problem is Slott is an objectively shit writer. The ideas could have been great, but his execution is the flinging feces tier.
>>82467629
Fuck off quesadilla. Take your friends Brevoort and Slott with you. Go stuff your fat faces with schwarma until your overworked hearts explode.
>>82461032
>mfw I only read this addendum story and not any of the blood-boiling other shit
>>82467834
I agree. SpOck could've been actually good had someone who knows how to write villains did it. But he was written by Slott, so he ended up being a biggest idiot in the cast of idiots. And don't give me that "he's way over his head, he's arrogant" crap. You can do pull this off without making your main character look like a complete and utter moron. Grendel did it well.
Actually, I would love evil Spider-Man written by Matt Wagner now that I think about it.
>>82467865
Fuck off JMS*
>>82467980
Aw, don't be mad quesadilla! Go self-insert yourself into another comic so you can date your daughter.
>>82467968
Matt Wagner is an awesome idea.
>>82459544
>ancient not even translated
>>82459570
Really? We're repeating things said two pages ago now?
>>82466551
>her costume is great
>the fucking hoodie
>>82459790
Is that OAA or Mephisto?
>>82455394
MJ noooooooo
>>82460900
Spidey a few hours later.
>>82467610
Bong
>>82469860
Yo, what.
When is this revealed?
Was it during A Moment in Time?
>>82462722
In the end Marvel was the one needing a reboot.
>>82461032
"Mmmmhmmm." - Mephisto, a few seconds ago
>>82469898
"One More Day" page, the follow on, explains how Pete got his secret id back with a nudge here and slight change there in time by Mephisto, who is in disguise most of the story.
>>82470149
No it wasn't it was "One Moment In Time" page
Areminder, without the marriage? No daughter. No daughter super-hero? No lives that se would have saved surviving. Perter and MJ magically aborting their daughter leads to other people dying in the future, all to give Aunt May, a woman at peace with her own death, like, five more years, maybe.
>>82470200
Shit yeah, it was "One Moment in Time" oops.
>>82464454
>but with the new movies having a young Peter I wonder how long that will last
They're clearly grooming Spidey to be the MCU synergized book.
Sales are tanking on it though. Slott's greasy ass isn't moving off of ASM anytime soon so if you like the new direction (go fuck yourself, by the way) it'll continue on that path for probably at least another year.
>>82467968
Did you read Superior Team-Up by Yost? That was fantastic and everything the main title should have been.
>>82460788
>face it tiger, you hit just hit the jackpot
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seriously though, someone please storytime A Moment in Time, I'm almost enjoying my anger.
>>82465368
He wasn't COO then, he was just Hack - I mean Editor in Chief.
That's the company lie parroted by Quesada, Brevoort and Slott, but looking at the shit pumped out of the Spider titles after OMD and it's obviously such a falsehood, Pinocchio's nose would reach from New York City to Tokyo.
>>82460950
Did they ever published any of it?
>>82463039
What?? Really?
>>82462535
Made a deal with the devil
>>82466551
This is why we can't have nice things
I don't blame Straczynski for this, at least not completely.
With Quesada as chief editor or something, there was only so much JMS could've done to prevent this.
But if he had stood up to Quesadilla, he would've been fired on the spot, and Quesarito would've gotten his wish anyway.
What pisses me off the most is that no one ever tried to do something to fix this. IIRC, JMS actually quit or something after OMD, didn't he? That's why we got Slott to take over.
I may never be able to live peacefully knowing why this shit happened, but I can at least suck it up and do as if it never existed.
But I'm sure one day everything will be accounted for.
Fuck you, Queso.
>>82460755
>dem feels mang
why do autists complain about suffering in a Spider-Man comic book? oh yeah, coz they be autism
>>82472997
>dem feels in one of the worst set up and flat out stupid comics of its decade
Sorry for having common sense
>>82472923
I'm still waiting for a retcon that also retcons all of slott's shitty run, nothing of value has happened since back in black anyway , aside from the zeb wells stuff
>>82472923
Straczynski was given the reigns of Thor sometime around the end of Civil War. Reportedly, he was assured that he would be granted at around a year (the exact length varies from story to story) to write the title without having to tie it in to any of these massive crossovers. Joe Quesada has commented:
Back in the day when JMS said he wanted to write Thor he asked me one specific thing in order for him to take on the title. The agreement between JMS and myself – and forgive me because it’s been over two years since this happened– but basically he wanted eight issues undisturbed without getting involved in a line-wide crossover, he wanted eight clean issues where he could develop the character and the world. Looking at it logically, while I knew Thor had to eventually come back to play with the rest of the MU, I thought that eight months in our publishing schedule really wasn’t a lot to ask for or to sacrifice in order to let JMS work his magic, so I agreed and we held true to that and beyond. We literally avoided having Thor appear in any crossovers in a way that would disrupt the story. In fact, we actually gave JMS way beyond the eight issues, giving him what will eventually be 17 issues and well over two years when it’s all said and done.
>>82473132
Joe did literally nothing wrong
>>82455394
You forgot to write Storytime of Pain in the title
>>82473335
If you discount everything he wrote in this run then you're right, but only about this run
>>82462477
they'll never do that, at least not while everyone at Disney wants Spiderman as a teenager in high school, and I blame Bendis for this. Fuck him and Ultimate Spiderman and his popularity.
>>82473550
Pretty much
>>82459403
2forshadow4me
>>82462722
What's that picture from?
Anyway fuck this story. Fuck this story so hard, in the most degrading and violent and nonconsensual way possible. It spits in the face of the hundreds of thousands of people who've had to stand by a hospital bed and watch their loved one die, or the thousands of soldiers who have to live with survivor's guilt because they were indirectly responsible the loss of a comrade's life. It's a tragedy that millions of people have had to deal with, and most of us had the goddamned good grace to accept it instead of acting like mortality is a suffering relegated to other people or that we're too fragile and special to live with guilt.
>>82475749
I have no mouth and I must scream.
>>82460407
Hell, he ALREADY owed Peter a favour from earlier in JMS' run. And he has a time machine.
>>82460540
No, Quesada's got a weird hangup about divorce. he literally killed off Jean Grey because he didn't want her to divorce Scott, despite Morrison clearly building up to that across his run.
>>82461683
He did kind of save the company after it went bankrupt and was responsible for Marvel Knights. That goes a long way.
>>82462013
>At least we still got MC2.
Where Peter is dead & Mayday is currently stuck on another Earth?
BONG
>>82460716
I bet she offered her unborn child that Parker didn't know MJ had.
>>82476669
>>82461371
I second this, does someone have it?
>>82477966
It happens sometimes
>>82462535
So can anyone explain to me why Slott's silver surfer is so good and his spider man is so mediocre? Like is there a specific reason or is it just a case of "occasionally writes something good, occasionally writes something bad"?
>>82470552
Yost can take characters who are terrible conceptually (Spock, Kaine, X-23) and make them downright enjoyable.
>>82466551
I thing it was great until the last issue drawn by Coipel (Not counting the final issue), and then it fell flat. Almost as if the change of artist determined the change of quality.
>>82459774
Sorry, you're right. Quesada is an asshole.
>>82462265
>tfw Piccolo died to save Mary Jane
>>82459908
Same. It's because JMS is a good writer but Joe Quesada is a shithead.
So what's going on with current Spider-man? Is he still in the secret wars thing Marvel did a couple months ago or did that get resolved?
>>82481196
Pete's Tony Stark and going international so that Miles, who got into 616-8 by giving an old burger to ... Molecule man? I forget, can be Spider-man in New York.
Miles was 'always' in 616-8 though, so he has no reason for taking Pete's secret identity what with it being in use and there being other, more qualified people to take it up should Pete be out.
>>82481370
So Secret Wars is done?
>>82481432
Yea
The Richards family fucked off to somewhere (ditching Johnny and Ben because fuck those two) and started recreating the multiverse.
They didn't recreated Miles/Maker's universe because, I dunno, racism or something
>>82481562
So everything's back?Including all the spidermen Slott killed
>>82480994
Dodge