How's Your Webcomic? /hyw/ #266

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Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag

Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:

>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/

>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV

>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'starlinemike' or 'scribblehatch' and they'll add you in.

>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ0lck7oo4A

>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf

>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/

>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf

>Guide to promoting your comic:
http://miss-melee.tumblr.com/post/143483233951/

How do you draw buildings? I'm so bad at architecture.

>>82446066
Look at a building.
Draw it.
Does it look good?
No, it doesn't.
Move over a little bit and try again.
Good?
No.
Try looking up an aerial view online.
Still bad.
Try looking up the side of the wall and draw that.

Eventually you will start to understand the basics of architecture. Probably.

>>82446148
>look at a building
Good point, tbH.
I based most of my buildings off video game buildings but they never match up with the story because two different themes.
Thanks, anon.

>>82446066
at least theyre angular enough that perspective becomes simple (and more obvious what went wrong if you get them wrong. and easier to fix.) but yeah architecture is hard. i never pay attention to the shape of boring shit in real life. big city buildings are all kind of the same rectangular prisms with grids of windows, apartment buildings are the same, but even then I can't plan out where they should go, what height they should be...

Anyone else having a gorillion ideas you start working on, only to have them fail because you start thinking of new ideas?

Shit fucking sucks.

>>82446356
I was like that as a teenager but now as an adult I've moved past it.

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http://bug-quest.tumblr.com/post/143803076800/you-cant-say-you-take-much-pleasure-in-this

THE ULTIMATE FIGHT

>>82446356
Can't you connect them or are they all completely different stories?

>>82446382
I just can't seem to sit down with a concrete idea for more than a month. It's more like this during winter/spring though, for some reason. I hope I can get some focus during summer.

>>82446429
They're all different stories completely, most of the time, but it does happen that I take elements from some and combine them in another thing.

>>82446356
I had to connect them all to keep them from going irrelevant.
Now there's a plothole so I have the portal to Earth/Cuoe in New York/Halogen City.

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Dumpin my Preteen Demon fanart from the last thread, cause Teagreen did some rad art The Sisters fanart.

>>82446309
Just look up some pictures of city streets (or whatever you're drawing), and try to get a feeling for how things look. Plenty of cities are drawn in cape comics too, which can offer a look at how people stylize buildings or what shortcuts are taken in their construction compared to the real thing. It's pretty tedious work to actually draw them, but figuring out how to set that stuff up shouldn't be too hard.

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Stylisation - AKA: how not to tumblrnose your shit

Just how do you address your comics portrayal of people and expressions. Simple or realistic? Somewhere in between?

I'm struggling at the moment with faces where i'd like a measure of appeal but simple enough to not become a problem time wise. At the moment for example i'm looking at Goseki Kojimas work in Samurai Executioner which somehow managed to be both simple and complex

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>>82446066
The short answer is a lotta perspective lines and a hatred of city-windows.

But shit, this is comics, you can cut corners. I've traced over Saints Row 4 screenshots I've taken or make a house in the Sims and use that for reference. It's good to know how to build it from scratch, but deadlines are deadlines.

>>82446356
Mini-comics, yo. Find the most interesting part of an idea and do a little 8-12 pager about it. Then leave it forever. It's out there, you've done work, and can move on.

Also, obligatory post of the mini I'm workin on: imgur.com/a/zkylk

>>82447103
I want this to be much more than just a mini.

>>82447103
Fuck this anon
>>82447177

Be proud of your restraint.

>>82447221
Fuck you, dude.

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tfw no views

>>82447040
The eye area should be more expressive than the mouth.
>>82447177
Just make it mini bruh. I am incapable of making a long-running idea. I ended the storylines to all my stories by killing off some characters due to old age, mass extinction, or murder.

>>82447766
Go away.

>>82447766
>>82447865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yW13T2sfKg

>>82447925
마 대변인은 이날 브리핑에서 이같이 밝혔다.

>>82447040
Flip the art to see what he originally drew, they were flipped for western reading order.

I've made another big Tumblr post about how to make good Project Wonderful ads, based on my personal experiences. It was going to be a series of posts in this thread but condensing them into one big thing is just so much easier.

http://miss-melee.tumblr.com/post/143807247566/how-to-make-a-good-project-wonderful-ad

I hope this is of some use to someone here. I'm far from perfect and I'm still learning, but hopefully I delivered some good info there. I do wonder how much of it was just really obvious stuff that everybody already knew, though. What do you guys think?

>>82447973
Wut, are you using google, I can't make out that sentence.

>>82447040
i embrace the parts of reality i like while downplaying the parts i dont

>>82448340
私は歳好き.

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Someone show me some good color done on MS paint, there was >>82413100 I wanted to know more about
when I use some kind of MS paint for some reason when I use the brush, and I fill in the pic, it gives me this:


White specs and shit around the fill.

please help out, what is the right panel composition for a discussion?

>>82449069
Without knowing exactly what is being said, the personalities and moods of the characters involved, and where it's taking place, I can't answer that.

>>82449069
Unhelpful answer: the one that works for the story.

But generally speaking, whoever is speaking first should be on the left, to avoid crossing balloon tails. This is not a hard and fast rule, however.

Is there anything more specific you want to know?

>>82448844
The best thing to do would be to not use MS Paint.

There are plenty of free and better drawing packages out there, such as Krita and MediBang Paint.

>>82449256
>people unrionically use mspaint because AHussie drew in it even though he actually used photoshop
>people unrionically use mspaint and they aren't drawing a sprite comic
>people unrionically use mspaint and they aren't doing an art challenge
>people unitonically use mspaint outside of India who don't know there's better programs out there, some online
Lmao.

>>82449440
>drawing
>sprite comic

>>82449460
Shut up and go away.

>>82448844
1) the windows 7+ versions of microsoft paint always do that
2) you would need the windows xp copy
3) "MS paint art" is never actually done in MS Paint - it is done in other programs, such as GIMP, photoshop and SAI.
4) you should probably get a graphics tablet before taking on any digital art, reguardless of whether it's on MS paint or not

>>82449158
>>82449206

it is kinda a mundane conversation, both sit opposite to each other.

>>82448844
It baffles me that people don't realize you're shitposting.

>>82449901
Here's an idea: have something happen.
People move during conversations, things happen in backgrounds, etc. You're not being held at gunpoint and forced to make the characters sit in place, are you?

I'm going to try to learn 3D modelling in a day so I can build a city for my comic to ease my issue with city building. Wish me luck, /hywcg/!

>>82449599
Sprite comics are just copying and pasting, man. Ain't no drawing involved.

t. someone who made sprite comics as a teen

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>>82449863
You're confused. They're using the "brush" in MS Paint when they should be using the "pencil". I mean, they shouldn't be using either of them or MS Paint at all, but look.
<<
Windows 8 MS Paint.

>>82450124

one is using the laptop, the other is reading a comic
.

>>82449863
I'm using paint.net thanks to a mention from some anon
I got Sai too actually, didn't touch Gimp
I just don't pay for Sai at the moment and I feel like a bitch if I print screen then paste elsewhere..

>>82450552
just pirate it

>>82447040
Depends on the project. People IRL don't have outlines, but few of us straight out paint our shit. The manner in which you reference reality should probably be keyed to the tone of your current story.

"Appeal" is pretty bullshit without specific context. I don't think I'd read Hellboy in Disney's style.

>>82450552
As someone trying to art I mean, I know you'll think I'm a fag but I rather not. I want to get better than actually buy it.

Also,
>>82450398
Fuck
I mixed the two
and I got the fill the pencil with black finally
I ditched the brush

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Forgot pic
Filled the hair outline and shirt with black and it didn't give me any white spots

>>82449901
If it's a calm, everyday discussion, make the panels large and regular and zoomed out.

Show the environment when neither character needs to emote. Like, a close-up of what's on TV if they're watching TV and talking, some random passer-by if they're sitting in a café, stuff like that. The kind of things that would briefly grab your attention if you were talking to someone in real life.

>>82448844
honestly dont know if you're shitposting but i use sai's binary pen

Are you doing your best?

Tell the truth.

>>82450668
get a graphics tablet bruh
then you can control the lineweights and contour easier and dont get awkward mouse scaling
you also get layer control and a bunch of other stuff

You can also bind keys to things like increasing/decreasing brush size, making you not have to travel to a menu constantly

>>82450124
>People move during conversations
shit, i try not to

post some comics or what's the point of these threads

>>82452548
I can tell you as one of the first-wavers at that point is we have creators talking to each other.

You mandate that we post comics all the time to fill some imaginary quota and you destroy comfiness, which is more or less the point.

>>82452889
>*that the point is

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I end up just posting this page, because its been 2 months since my last update... Procrastination is killing me.

>>82453082
can you get to work you lazy fuck

>>82453206
I am actually working, and recently they increased my hours from 8 to 10 hours a day.

My comic isn't paying bills so...

>>82453274
well what are you doing during your free time?

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Oh, forgot to post this, I have been meaning to try out different type of faces for my main characters.

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>>82453436
Fallout 4 and drawing oban porn, nichijou, and assorted nsfw stuff.

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>>82452548
You first.

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>>82446029

Recycling and disposing of space junk is boring work. Incinerate the unusable stuff, and break down the good stuff to raw material.

>>82453524
coolest hammer ever
>>82453583
now i remember what this reminds me of, were you drawing a frog witch earlier?

and yeah space junking seems like something robots would do

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>>82447103
>tracing
Top lel
Not gonna make it

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>tfw your comic is so bad you'r mom tells you your wasting youre time

>>82453969
Quit this roleplaying shit.

>>82453969
Are you me?

>>82453750

>space junking seems like something robots would do

There is something of a revolution in A.I. looking to replace a plethora of jobs - including junk jobs. Unfortunately the costs can't be justified, and so they continue to use an antiquated system because at the moment it's cheaper to employ and pay people relatively crap wages than it is to buy cutting edge technology. No this is not a singularity apocalypse story.

>>82453750

>frog witch

Sounds like something I'd draw, but I don't think that was me.

>>82454202
that's weird. i mean, how little must you be getting paid if your salary is cheaper than a robot

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>>82454125
Don't bother telling them to go away.
They won't. Cellphone moron didn't.

Hoard posting patterns into your filters.
That made cellphone moron go away.

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>>82454726
Jesus, having to censor your own internet in case you get triggered. How sad.

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>>82454955

>>82454726
What if someone posts something that starts with "tfw your comic" but it's actually good and conducive to discussion? Hothead.

>>82455270
That's what peeking at posts is for.
You can unhide them.

If it's really a gem of a post we'll learn about it.

By default though, they are beneath our notice. They are peon posts.

>>82455544
>peon posts.
what a neckbeard, you can't make this shit up

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>>82453485
Keep at it, dude! Have a fanart. hope you like it.

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WIP of the next page!

>>82455609
>Neckbeards say peon
>This fact any many more straight from my ass!

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>>82455816

>>82455816
since*
happiness* though i reckon that might have been intentional
(weird to see SD this pissed off man. he's becoming more than one note lately)
knows* no apostrophe

loving annabeth's head in the third to last panel. good shit there.

>>82455919
So, what'd you vote for?
>>82455889

>>82455919
Thanks man. I will fix.
And yeah, all of the characters are changing slowly.

>>82455821
and an idiot too

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Working on a new comic
Should mc which is a Russian or Polish dude have a mullet or no

>>82455951
'some other thing' as in 'do whatever you want'

>>82456120
yes to long in back
no to flat and boring on top. give him the same spiky and interesting front as the one just above 'half closed'

>>82456147
I gotta tell you, you're outnumbered.

>>82456181
oh no! that matters so much!
after all when I said 'do what you want' to dewd I really meant 'do what other people want you to do', i just stuttered.

>>82450535
More details. Are they browsing, searching, working, what? Where are they at?

>>82455544
Put your trip back on.

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>>82456482
Ah I knew I was forgetting something.

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>>82456596
>tfw your coming is not going to make it for next week's due date due to your trip out of the city for your job

>>82456596
look at this retard

>>82455816
>work in progress
>work
>progress

>want to make webcommic
>can only draw anime
>can't draw cartoon shapeyness
>tried to mix the art styles
>it's shit
Why even try /co/mrads

>>82456864
>can only draw anime
That's code for "I can't draw at all", right?
I'm actually forever stuck drawing characters that look like those bobblehead Dizzywood characters.

>>82456864
Also, remember: don't draw an object, draw something that perceives the image of what that object is.

>>82456864
>implying you can draw at all
just because you can reference anime screenshots doesn't mean you "draw anime".

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>>82446029
Really slow for me...writing-wise is an ok but for the most part is about finding a suitable style. since /co/ anons seem pretty touchy about this aspect.

as i am with what i got. you guys think i should polish my current style? also plz donutsteel

no actual parts drawn, but i just censored it to play safe

>>82456939
>>82457003
;_;
>>82457003
Hardest part m8y

>>82457222
i know i could use some anatomy work...still learning

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>>82455641
Oh boy, somebody who knows what betaman is. I don't usually take note of the names, but I will now. Thank you so much for the fan art, I love it! I'll do my best from now on.

>>82456864
you definitely dont wanna mix shapey cartoons with anime
however, go take a look at sanrio, and you can potentially learn how to do that instead. it's still something finnicky that requires a lot of attention to shape proportion, but it might be more up your alley

>>82457222
not so much the style, but work on maybe how 'pinched' everything is. it's a bit too pinched i'd say. looks... unpleasant. sometimes it helps to imagine holding the character in your hand like an action figure. This thing would break

>>82457222
Pervert, I hate nude characters.

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>>82457533
it's kinda like this...

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>>82457372

Your art reminds me of Phantasy Star Online.

>>82457529
thanks. i'll work on that

>>82457605
Well that's fine because it's sexy.

>>82457679
any tips on how i can work on it sticking to the concept?

>>82457796
Sketch before drawing it to make sure the pose seems natural and make it look less stiff. Put her in a pose.
Also, stop copying and pasting the lower legs.

>>82457865
thanks for the advice. i did sketch it digitally before doing the rest, but you can't really expect much from a novice like me. i tried doing the legs differently, but they ended up looking weird at the time and i wanted to dish this out onto my gallery asap so it ended up like this

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>>82458042
i'm more familiar with pencils and paper longer than i am with digital medium to be honest(still practicing with it whenever i get the time to do it)

>>82458146
it's still shit. throw away that 99 cent store eraser and fisher price notebook and pick up some real art materials

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>>82446029
Things are going okay.
I updated yesterday.
http://cosmic-tales.tumblr.com/page/4
I am going to limit myself to black and white for awhile until I have time to study up on color theory and maybe get a more up to date digital set up.
I ended up scrapping pic related and one other page. I have rethought the chapter and I am going to do the layouts over from scratch. Tonight I am going to do designs, maps and layouts.

>>82458377
i gotta admire 4chan for all it's brutal honesty

>>82458377
>>82458447
and i said im STILL practicing

>>82458146
>slanted view of notebook
>adds in art supplies to the shot

C'mon dude. This ain't Normiegram. Just take a picture of your drawing.

>>82458146
whoa, early 00s style. that's neat

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>>82458514
better?

>>82458558
thanks. still trying whatever i can to improve and practice everytime

>>82458447
That anon isn't me.
The 2nd pose works because it's from the front and there's no need for a spine.
The first is weird because she's leaning back on the top half. The shadow is also strange since her left hand looks like it's going forward from the shoulder but the shadow stays flat.
It would work in a NG animation but comics have to show their own motion in a single panel and there's none in the first picture.

>>82458629
thanks, will take that into consideration but as i as said in>>82458042 i was hasty back then i didn't really take this one(and possibly others) seriously.

so that other anon was a troll then?

>>82458751
¯\_(ㅇㅅㅇ)_/¯

>>82458584
Muuuuuch better son! Liking the simplicity of it.

>>82458807
>>82458844

well in any case, i just came here to show what i have and could do so far, and to get advice on how to get to do better. never said that i'm a pro at this, nor did i brag about how good i am. i'll stop here and continue practicing. again, thanks for your advice

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Just finished penciling the cover to chapter 2. Gonna take a coffee break, and get started on some commissions.

>>82457498
K

>>82459001
Dude it's all good. Keep it up man!

my little sister says she wants to make a webcomic, how do I support her? I know nothing about webcomics except that there's a lot of drama.

>>82459004
Go away.
You're too good for this thread.

>>82459126
Show her that webcomics don't just mean the typical "gaming" and "nerd" culture. Show her some actual comics with a story driven plot like lackadaisy, space mullet etc. or good gag comics that don't rely on said sub cultures.

>>82459190
Don't listen to this pleb.
>>82459126
Show her Jerkcity, first and foremost. Then PBF, MM&O, and C&H but skip every panel by Kris, he sucks.

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>>82455889

My sides?

>>82459126
Wellll basically ask her why she wants to publish it instead of just making it, and go from there. If she wants to show it to her friends, awesome. Just have her share it with her friends. If she REALLY wants to get going and have a big audience and shit, let her know that requires a lot of maturity and the results aren't guaranteed to be pleasant, but you'll support her all the way, then tell her about making your own site and sharing it with others

>>82459190
>>82459288
She doesn't even read webcomics, she reads some cape and animu shit sometimes. She watches cartoons sometimes too.
>>82459449
She's always liked drawing and writing, it's mainly her passion but I also think she wants to reach out to people and give them something to enjoy. She told me the characters are going to be traveling through different cultures or some leftist shit like that, but she's extremely lazy so I don't know.

>>82459848
ha, just let her play then. she sounds like she needs to figure that out on her own, in order to really do what she wants to

>>82459888
Thing is, she might actually be serious because she's made reference sheets and scripts/plot triangles for it already. She's having me read them to give my input but I'm bad at critiquing and supporting that's why I came here.

>>82459126
>my little sister
Is she hot

srsly bro how hot is she

>>82460013
Grab her a copy of Scott McCloud's "Making Comics" and Scott McCloud's "Understanding Comics" if you've got the cash. If not, pdfs of it are super easy to find.

If she can read em both cover-to-cover, she's genuinely serious about it. Plus, she'll start with a super-solid foundation.

>>82460013
ohh I see. Well if you're unable to give good critique, you should admit it. all you can do is be honest and be yourself.. and if she's okay with that, then keep doing your best. but if she needs better feedback, there's no reason she cant post her shit for better helpers to see. hell, i'd help her. she might not even be the youngest we've had in here (i definitely recall someone posting something their little sister made once, and we were able to give useful feedback)

>>82460046
yeah, pics of sis or fuck off

>>82460046
>>82460284
I'm not posting my 16 year old sister's pic on 4chan you monkeys
>>82460166
I'll just download it somewhere, thanks
>>82460184
She can't post here and she's afraid of the "creepy pedos on that site". If you want though, I can give you the basic run-down and a few concept sketches of hers, but they'll be crappy phone tooken quality.

>>82460567
She also can't post here because it's against the rules, anon. Now post her, in that outfit, y'know.

>>82460567
nah I'm done helping her.

>>82460608
noooo
>>82460648
Ok

>>82460567
Does she have any idea that her attitude is the sole reason all these "pedos" are so "creepy"

>>82460754
No it's because i told her to browse here once and she went straight to /b/. She refuses to come back on. Besides, she's pretty Reddit tier, thank god she's not a tumblrite.

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>>82446029
A boy falls in love with a girl.

Unable to confess, he is gifted by a deus ex machina with the girl's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls her, and is overjoyed to find out that she has a crush on him as well.

But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day's confessions to the girl, she only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the girl he called is not the same girl he fell in love with. In fact, she doesn't exist in this universe at all. She is the girl's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with the MC's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of her crush.

Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of LOVE.

OP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycfdfinG_P8
ED1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXDNGS9V4Us
ED2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4DyTjrruVo
PV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcVGDV67L-g
EP 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_rz1bluG_k

>>82460881
those are both pretty bad
buuut yeah i cant blame anyone for being spooked by /b/
that said, i miss the freeform fun of /b/ from 2008 or so.

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Another style-test for the next big arc in The Sisters. Sorta meh about it. Might ditch the sketchy lines but keep the papery feel.

>>82460881
Couldn't you have just told her not to go on /b/? I mean jesus.

I'm a 29 year old man and I don't go on /b/.

>>82461149
ahh i'm liking this, it's more of a natural progression from your current style. and i like the sketchiness too, reminds me a bit more of poodledoopleness. so charming

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>>82461149
Also the last style-test in case anyone missed it. And because Jam seems to be the /hyw/ favorite.

>>82461163
Thanks! Honestly it was Audra's sketchy B fanart that made me consider going that way.

>>82461200
yeah, i like how we all inspire each other. you've inspired me a lot. In fact I think Uzi's jaunty ponytail was probably Jam's first

>>82460968
I miss old /b/ too but that's why you go to /int/ for dank memes
>>82461151
Nah I thought it was pretty funny and made fun of her for like a week for being a /b/tard

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>tfw no one talks about your comic here

>>82461637
we actually hate your comic

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>>82461771
but no one even reads it

>>82461959
If you tell me your comic, I will read it right now and give you fanart. For real.

>>82460567
>16 year old
Who wants to bed here art is deviantart awful?

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>>82461637
Oh wow these filters are better than I thought. This comment was hidden, so not all the words have to connect.

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Eeeee

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>>82462258
>filters posts
>retard then goes about to unfilter it, read it, and respond

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>>82446029

hey guys whats up? i just started on a new page of FATES

its gonna be awesome when its done yall!

>>82462569
>CalArts potato mouth
>borderline animu
I don't know what to think

>>82462237
No she's really good at drawing, in lots of different styles too. She made up a new style of her own just for this even though she usually sticks too amine-style Art.

>>82462808
>She made up a new style of her own
post her art

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>>82462603
>this guy is more informed, more educated, and in general more worldly than I am
>WHAT IS HE A FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG?

I will bridge the chasm to the future with the corpses of you and your kinsmen. Enjoy the monosodium glutamate poisoning you lummox.

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>>82462762
The potato mouth is a joke.
How is my stuff even anime? I haven't watched anime since I was 13.

>>82462836
anime means "good" to people who think art should look bad

>>82462823
>this guy is more informed, more educated, and in general more worldly than I am
*tips fedora

>>82462886
Ah right that's the hack insult I meant.

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>>82462822
She's asleep now but here's a something she doodled in my binder awhile back. It's a minor character, idk to much about her honestly.

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>>82462868
Uuuuughuuwa

>>82463027
hmm. good stuff. lot better than i was at her age. i kinda like that body shape too. nice and medium
funny how often i have to say this, but tits are a bit too high and cranium is a bit too small. that seems to be a universal foible, even for people as good as this (i mean damn, that hand. that's a damn good hand)

>>82463065
Cool I'll tell her that. One time I told her the style and plot reminded me of SU and GF which was supposed to be a compliment but she got all sad about it, which she shouldn't because those are great shows.

>>82463193
Style looks nothing like SU or GF.
I know there're animators who draw like that though. It kind of reminds me of Zeurel's art.

>>82463027
it's not "REALLY GOOD" but it's good for a 16 year old. If she is serious about art tell her to lurk /ic/ for a while, but don't post unless she is willing to take a beating. Alternative Art/Stylization General or Beginner Thread are good places for her to start posting, the most vicious people are in the Draw Thread, which are for the more frustrated losers aiming for fine arts, like myself.

>>82463027
i drew better when i was sixteen just sayin.

>>82463027
It is good.

>>82463257
I think she's taken inspiration from artists like that online, she's trying to go for "the cartoonish crowd" as she puts it.
>>82463279
I think I can send her there, she's actually good at taking critic. I'm an asshole and she puts up with me fine anyways.
>>82463354
Hopefully you are successful then
>>82463419
Don't get tricked though, this is just a high test girl. The rest of the characters are abnormally thin, maybe I'll post them tomorrow but I've got a final tomorrow so I'm going to be heading off.

>>82463279
>stylization general
pls no

>>82463487
just shove a loomis pdf in her face and tell her if she doesn't read it she'll regret it

>>82463027
well that's not bad, she can make something of it.

>Thing is, she might actually be serious because she's made reference sheets and scripts/plot triangles

That's kinda normal for a girl who reads a lot of anime/manga. It may or may not be a phase.
How are the scripts? Actually, how good does she want her comic to become?
There's a difference between making a webcomic for fun and making one for internet fame and patreon riches which probably won't happen.

>she's extremely lazy
if she's too lazy to learn how to form a interesting script, update regularly, and improve her artwork, then there is no comic. Yeah, it seems overwhelming when you get around to attempting it, but keep in mind there is no penalty for fucking up and trying again.

>/ic/
The sticky post at the top basically has everything you can ask for art related

>>82463566
I'll get her loomis for her birthday then
>>82463613
>how good are the scripts
Honestly the basic premise sounds really generic but the way she goes about doing it is odd. The story is a girl-meets-guy type of thing but it's supposed to be a comedy and plays a lot with absurd cartoonishness, as if it's always making fun of itself. It's not a romance either, the main protagonists are in a handcuff type situation.
>how good does she want her comic to become
Really big, she's being a total jew about how to gain an audience. Thing is, she's good at hiding the pandering, I wouldn't know some of it without her telling me before hand.

>>82459004
This looks professional and awesome

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>>82456120
Like >>82456179 said, make it spoken in the front, but I wouldn't give him a full on mullet, maybe just a bit. Image for reference to what I'm talking about.
Also, usually ruskis don't have that hairstyle, I would make him polish or Scandinavian.

>>82464155

on second thought i will bump later when more is colored

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>>82463793

>generic
doesn't matter as long as its interesting

>the way she does it is odd
making it simpler is always better. A clear goal that someone wants to reach and how they are going to do it. Conflict arises when someones motivation runs counter to another's.
Did the script hold your interest? Did it at least not turn you away due to cringe? It may need revising if it did,
That 'Scrub Authors Goodie Bag' post at the top of this thread has a pdf link to the book of storytelling, 'Invisible Ink'.
It's pretty good, though it's actually meant for one-off stories like in movies or novels, not for, say, cape comics where they want the conflict to drag on for as long as possible.

>Really big
probably thoughts of grandeur that I also had at that age. She may burn (or bore) herself out by biting off more than she can chew, though if she knows what audience to target, and kept updating her comic (no matter how bad it may be), she will have gained a foothold in comic making and will probably have an idea of where she wants to go next when she grows up.

Also, her theories of how to gain an audience may not pan out, especially the first time around. Prepare her for disappointment and try again

>>82463793
>she's good at hiding the pandering

What kind of pandering?

>>82464427
I'd like to assume that monster is just playin around, and not actually angry.

>>82459004

>that tangent between the ear and the horizon
This really needs fixing.

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Knocked out another page of Lido. I'll post it to my site in the morning.

>>82464427
>Did the script hold your interest?
It turned out much different then expected. I thought it was going to be episodic, but after awhile it starts developing deeper and there are some plot twists I wasn't expecting. She's keeping it pg but there's some very adult concepts in there, I don't know how to feel about it. I wouldn't say it's bad though, I just wouldn't have taken my own time to purposely find it and read it if I was some random guy. However, she does do a lot of research, hopefully that will be recognized by whomever.
>Did it at least not turn you away due to cringe?
I'd say some points where cringe but I called her out on it so hopefully she'll change them.
She's prepared to fail too, but I think she's going for the absurd comic route because it's a pillow for bad righting she can fall back on. She needs to learn to take critic anyways.

>>82464630
Incidentally, last page with cars and very soon I'll get to shift to traditional lineart and forget I ever wrestled with the electronic devil of digital lineart again. Also the actual story will move forward. Fun.

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not sure about this one

>>82464555
Where do I begin? I can tell she's put some fetish bait in there, though it works as plot device (hypnotism, body swapping, one of the characters gets turned into an animal at one point). Ethnic variation is huge but then again these characters travel everywhere. There's a lot of history and /X/ shit in there too to appeal to redditors. Also memes, but I'm keeping an eye to make sure it doesn't get over the top obnoxious.
I should also add that she's an AP lit. kid so she's pretty educated on storytelling for her age but then again reading Hemingway doesn't make you Hemingway.

>>82464670
>>82464786
it's 2 AM for me so I hope you're here tomorrow.
If she's AP Lit for storytelling, that gives her an advantage that puts her above most beginners such as, well, almost everyone in this thread.
Remember to keep the story small, then work it up in a way that's easy for the reader to keep track of. Don't make it profound for the sake of profoundness. I personally hate memes, but the good ones are subtle enough to not intrude on the story for those who don't get the reference.

>>82464887
Sure I can post tomorrow, thanks you guys. I really want to help her with this thing.

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>>82462644

bump!

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I'm just going to post WIPs for the next few pages of my comic.

Thoughts naturally welcome, particularly about composition/pacing/dialogue.

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>>82465293
(seriously early WIPs, mind)

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>>82465301
("my brave dear", the next panel being them climbing up with him behind her)

>>82465301
Why you drawing on line paper, senpai? are you in math class right now?

>>82465312
I was in English, actually.

I'm just using them as base drawings for digital inks, so I wasn't too fussed. Legal pads are great for brainstorming. My best work always ends up being made (and squandered) on lined paper.

i learned, if you're going to just use shades of gray as tones for items, hair, etc. in your comic (you're B&Wing), sticking to just 3 (or 4) shades is the best. And then using black for shadows. It looks kind of empty, but it's better than having clusterfuck of shades.


And then for SAI users, you can type anything in Paint, select it using the box Selection Tool, paste it to SAI and then go to Layer -> Desaturate. Very useful transferring of texts and making the white bg of it transparent for those who are stuck with SAI and have no PS.

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>>82465011

highlighted and stuff, just needs word balloons and its done! ^^

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>>82465581
like this tomodachis

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Today's guest comic by Fubas!

... don't ask.

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>>82465583

Added in some sound effects! ^^

>>82465781
>Lens flare!
>uh... Plastic wrap!

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>>82465803

and its done, i hope yall like it! more pages here: http://fates.thecomicseries.com/

see yall the next time i start on a new page, peace yall! im outta here

>>82448318
I for one, find this useful and appreciate it.

I suppose I should have posted this question here instead of trying to start a thread yesterday: what is the general opinion on Comic Fury as a hosting site, both from a creator perspective and from a reader perspective?

>>82460013
>Thing is, she might actually be serious because she's made reference sheets and scripts/plot triangles for it already.

Has she made any actual comic strip pages yet? Even just roughs/pencils. That's when you'll know if she's serious.

Her figure work >>82463027 is acceptable, but how's her visual storytelling? She'll need to be able to draw people in various emotional states and actions, as well as backgrounds, scenery and props. Don't forget the lettering and speech balloon/caption placement, the panel layouts, and pacing.

Gathering references, making design sheets and writing scripts is all well and good, but if you're serious about drawing comics, then you should be drawing comics.

>>82464604
Yeah, someone else had pointed it out to me earlier after I posted it. I'll try and fix it up a little later. Thanks

>>82463027
It's a better starting place than most people. She needs to start working on her basic shapes and study principles of anatomy and motion. She's clearly in that stiff emulation phase everyone starts in.

Shame she'll probably make a bunch of online arguments over nothing if she's the kind of person who generalizes whole sites like that.

>>82466689

ComicFury isn't too bad. I feel like it was a better site from 2009~2013, but at some point, it basically became Tumblr lite, in the sense that there's a huge transgender/feminist/PC/whatever crowd that hangs out there, and you had to watch every thing you said on the forums so you didn't step on any toes.

If you don't care about the forums at all, it is a pretty good "generic" comic site to host on.

>>82467111
Oh yeah that's true.

I got perma banned for calling myself a faggot.

Also several people hated my comic.

>>82467346
In fairness, several people HERE hate your comic.

>>82465781
You should probably have politely declined to host this.

>>82466838
>Has she made any actual comic strip pages yet?
No, not at all, but she says she wants to finish working on the story before actually drawing so idk. Also part of it is she's really busy, she doesn't really get time to draw between her studies but that's not much of an excuse. Sometimes she'll doodle little skits at school and post them on snap chat, but that's purely for fun.
She's terrible at drawing backgrounds and people sitting, but she does watch a ton of how to draws on YouTube to help. I'll give her your advice on that.>>82466978
>principles of anatomy and motion
Literally the only reason she took anatomy class this year, she also started going through my mom's nursing and medical books for reference.

>>82468287
If she jumps straight from studying anatomy to things like panelling and coordinating a page, she's gonna have a hard time. She should practice making pages without worrying about the level of detail sometimes.

>>82468406
I'll tell her. I have to go but I'll post when I get back home.

>>82453438
Dude, that's cute as fuck

>>82467510
I don't know,it was well drawn and made me giggle when I first saw it.

I love it :)

>>82453824
senpai that's the shit you do when you HAVE made it.

>>82447103
>make a house in the Sims and use that for reference.

use google sketchup, anon

>>82469448
Why?
It's complete nonsense.

>>82469782
Because it's flattering, and when you're that low on the chain you're willing to settle for any garbage.

>>82469655
i've heard you mention it before, how easy is it to use? how much time does it take to set up a scene?

>>82469954
Not that guy, but it does look pretty simple.
I'm gonna check it out, at least.
http://www.sketchup.com/learn/videos/58

>>82469782
Exactly, when ever I ask some one if they want to do a guest comic I always say 'you can do whatever you want, go wild!' And he certianly did.

Also my comic is complete nonsense anyways :^)

>>82469954
I don't use 3D programs really but the most efficient way to use sketchup is to make a bunch of placeholder boxes where things will be, set up the camera and then draw on top of that image.
It's a perspective / composition aid.

FUCK DRAWING, I HATE IT

>>82470307
Then paint.

>>82469954
... it's the first time I posted this here, but anyway, I don't use it myself, but I fiddled with it and it's pretty easy to model stuff. It might get some time learn how to build a house looks good from scratch, but I think the thing is that you can download assets and import them. Building walls is as intuitive as building walls on the sims, it's just that because you aren't constricted to the tiles of the sims it can be a bit overwhelming at first.

>>82470231
but like this guy said, it's great to use as a crude reference for perspective, you don't need to create a whole set to trace over.

>>82470307
i just want to write and have a cute drawfag gf draw all my shit.

>>82470648
kill yourself

>>82470648
>g.i.r.l.

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>>82470648
>>82470746
>>82470803
>>82470867
Oh... she got offended... so it really was a girl

>>82471577
false, don't get baited my man

>>82464630
aw lovely day out.
>>82464673
wait, you're going to move FROM digital lineart? why do you 'get to' and why would that be a good thing? it gets easier, yknow. analog never gets easier..

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Bump.
I swear to god, this comic is going up today no matter how much I can't get it to stop sucking.

>>82464688
the fact that she's freaked out by it is funny (my cat sees shit that isnt there all the time. once in a while it's a bug) but I kinda want a shot of the cat doing her proper rear-up presenting in a way that WOULD turn him on, so he's not just obliviously hitting on girl cats

>>82465781
i miss when surrealism was all the jam
>>82465983
>er.. NUDGE!

>>82472999
I feel like if Sanngridr was a main character her nickname with most people would be Sangria, but I'd be calling her Skingrindr

>>82473152
>Skingrindr
A monster name, or some sort of sex reference?

>>82473354
just a misreading my eyes made, that sounds badass

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played around some more with character design/hairstyle and colouring.

>>82472994
A shift in the story justifies and would be emphasized by the art shift. I've never been able to achieve the same level of nuance with a tablet as with a pencil or pen and I feel like it'd be more... intimate? More organic, elegant. Analog isn't easier but I feel like it looks a bit better for the same level of effort.

I'm going to be editing and coloring it digitally, though.

>>82474612
hmm.. interesting
okay well good luck

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>>82475067
Thank you!

These are pretty sketchy for an example but here's the look I'm going to be going for. I'm still debating sticking with cleaned up pencil lines or going for fully inked.

>>82476061
i would at least clean them up a bit more, but.. sticking with that is okay. it gives it an authentic and hazy look.

>draw a pretty decent roof for this house
>check past comics for consistency
>you drew it as a fucking diamond shape in the past
>this character is not the type to have purchased a new roof
time to 'fix' it.. weird how the apparently lazy way is actually harder later on

>>82476061
Try maybe varying the hardness of your brush a bit more. There are places where it's a bit nifty (white blob on the tee) but it can get out of hand easily in context, especially if you use backgrounds.

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So I finished lining the next page.

>>82472999
When will the story proper pick back up?

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Did an inking test and decided to draw another character for that college comic I may or may not do. Hooray for procrastination.

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>>82478027
I wanna say May 18th, but it might go as long as June 1st because I can't into time management. I had a lot of problems in chapter 1 that I'm trying to avoid for chapter 2 by having an actual buffer and working out the pages farther in advance, which has already saved me a lot of trouble

>>82453750
Pretty sure frog witch was me showing off my aforementioned terrible time management skills.

>>82478439
Procrastination is the fucking worst. I actually saw a guy post a link in these threads that seemed really helpful, but in a stunning example of dramatic irony I never got around to bookmarking it.

>>82478693
ohhh yeahhh that was you. wel glad to know that's one more we havent actually lost
ooh shit that goat.. he's staring trouble right in the face

>>82478693
This page is looking stellar.

>>82478693
was it this one?
http://jessicaabel.com/2016/01/27/idea-debt/

>>82478786
>staring trouble right in the face
Well I mean technically she's off by like ninety degrees, but I guess running away from your problems is the best idea sometimes so you're right in spirit.

>>82478812
Thanks! I'm still not set on the outfit of the pursuer, but other than that, I'm really happy with how it's turning out, too.

>>82478915
Nah, it was a youtube vid with an American psychologist talking about his research on grad students and procrastination at some Canadian university.

>>82478693
>>82479009
You will never stop procrastinating until it utterly destroys you.

But if you really wanted to do it, you would do it.

Right?

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>>82476061
this is pretty ugly right now, anon. The thing that works best is the girl's hair, but I feel that for this to work you should use less saturated colors.

First, don't blur the pencil lines like you did on the guy's chin;
Don't blow out the gray out of the pencil lines, they are too sharp right now and are giving a dirty look;
Don't go full black lines, maybe make them more redish brown;
Try to emulate lackadaisy if you can, without the sepia tone over everything;
Don't color black stuff you are going to color later;
Get a pencil brush in case you need to retouch some lines digitally (like the guy's chin);
If it doesn't get much better, just go back to digital ink. That page you posted before was better. You still need to make those brushes less blurry for the background stuff, but still much better overall.

>>82479221
procrastination is like fear
it's pretty fucking important. it keeps you alive. keeps you from blowing all your energy on every little idea you have. the hard part is keeping it under control instead of letting it rule you

>>82457222
consider varying the leg position, so that they aren't more or less identical

>>82479414
Why not let it rule you? No one here is going to make it anyways. Just let it go, enjoy life, play some video games, watch some media

>>82479221
Maybe?
I don't know.
What does it even mean to really want something?

>>82479634
>What does it even mean to really want something?
You want something so bad you constantly find yourself thinking about it. You dream of it. That's when you know you REALLY want it.

I literally have dreams where I'm writing comics. I think about my comic endeavors all the time, when I'm eating, when I'm at home, when I'm at work. I want it so bad.

>>82479746
Must be nice.

>>82468287
>she'll doodle little skits at school and post them on snap chat
Lol, that sounds terrible. What are they like? Sounds cringey a.f.

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http://bug-quest.tumblr.com/post/143860653580/

she's back, with her model as inconsistent as ever!

she's a shapeshifting mess

>>82479746
I don't see how that would stop anyone from procrastinating, but I can't say I've ever experienced it. Hope it works out for you.

>>82479924
I very much enjoy your work

>>82480218
I very much enjoy you enjoying my work!

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>>82479319
I'm trying to keep the colors fairly realistic, I don't actually see how they're especially saturated there, but I appreciate all your recommendations. Here's something with a bit more effort put in, reddish lines and all. I'm going to try it with inks as well to compare, but how does it look as-is?

And Lackadaisy is ideal but a bit extreme. I'm already terrible with my scheduling.

Thank you for the critique!

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>>82480585
(and the uncolored linework, for comparison)

>>82480585
Not that guy, but I'm liking it better. Letting your drawing carry the texture and shading of your image is probably a better call for you than soft brushy stuff, wherever you can manage that. Not that I'd rule out some highlights or something.

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>tfw if you deleted your comic tomorrow no one would even notice

>>82481098
Stop.

>>82481098
矢野顕子

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Sister guy here again, I told her I was posting about her stuff here and she says that's fine as long as we remain anonymous.
>>82479897
No they are actually pretty funny. One time she drew her MCs fighting over an airplane wheel and then it cut to 9/11 recording. Today she drew something with the Zootopia characters talking. Here's something I screw capped of hers back in April. Other than that, sometimes she'll post anatomy practice.

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>>82480585
Aaaugh, I'm not even going to clean this mess up

I forgot how supremely bad I am at inking. I could probably work this out with practice, but I think pencils are a much better look for what I'm going for anyway.

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The isometric view didn't come out as well as I'd hoped. Characters are too small, and the layout isn't as complex as i'd like. Next time I do it, I think I'll try it as a full or double page spread.

>>82481182
please tell me they were joking like "ehhh it won't need it anyway"

>>82481271
it may not be impressive to you but i am saving this for future inspiration

>>82481182
>Sister guy
This is gonna get you confused with the guys making The Sisters.

>>82481271
I like the isometric thing, for what it's worth. Would've been better if the little room in the second panel connected back to the main corridor to where they are in panel 3.

>girls
Oh, hadn't even noticed the halfling/gnome/whatever was female.

>>82481156
>>82481162
Hey guys. That post was invisible to me. Maybe, just maybe use my goddamn filters, ey?

>>82462258

Isn't it tantalizing?

>>82481524
Put the code back in the namefield, tiny.

>>82481236
Cute, now draw her naked/barefoot

>>82481387
Are you talking about the 9/11 joke? What happened is f says to m "I thought you could fly a plane", m says he's working on it and then they start fighting over the wheel. Then they stop to look ahead and 9/11 happens.
>>82481423
Oops

>>82481236
I very much like this style

>>82480585
This is much better, even though pixels on the lines are still a bit too sharp, leaving it a bit too grainy, it looks much cleaner.
My favorite part is the effect of the shadow on her top, the colors worked great.

>I'm trying to keep the colors fairly realistic, I don't actually see how they're especially saturated there

Maybe there is something wrong with my eyes, I don't know. On a second look they really don't seem that saturated, I mostly thought they looked like colors I would choose... and I suck at choosing colors

Keep us updated on your stuff

>>82481182
>with the Zootopia characters talking
POST POST POST POST

>>82481809
>furfags

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>>82481271
Dude, that's really rad. Looks like it took a long time to draw, that's dedication.
>>82481809
it's just some stupid sketches but since you asked, 1/3
>>82481886
>liking anthros is furry

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>>82482074
2/3

>>82481676
oh.
airplanes don't have wheels, they have a pair of steering yokes.
i thought they were fighting over the landing-gear wheel. that would have been really funny.

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>>82482113
3/3
>>82482149
Oh I didn't know that. You learn something new everyday I guess. She just recorded a YouTube video of 9/11 for the end which was the funny part, it's great because most of her friends flipped shit on her afterwards.

>>82482289
i seriously cant tell if i like your sister or not. perhaps that's for the best

I started making a webcomic, but I need some help using sound effects. Anybody got a good suggestion for the onomatopoeia of an approaching missile?

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>>82482311
She's an annoying shit who's popular in school but is secretly a bum at home. She gets home, changes into boxers and plays skyrim and makes me take care or her, SHES A SHIT. But she can be fun sometimes.
>tfw love hate relationship with siblings

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Thumbnailing some regular Mimis. Gonna try to not have Charles for a few weeks.

>>82482600
vvvvvrrrrrRRRRRRROOWW

>>82482600
Badupadupadup
Badupadupadup

>>82482686
Why is she so cute?

>>82482600
Weewoo-weewoo-weewoo

>>82482787
He said approaching misle, not breaking down car

>>82482600
Dattebayo

>>82482686
>sunshine lollipops starts playing

>>82482600
basically the same as an overhead plane, yeah? like KHHAAAAAA

>>82482600
SKREEONK!

>>82482600
>BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>82482628
yeah that sounds about right.
bet you cant wait to find out what kinda kook is going to turn out to be a match for her

>>82482600
skeet skeet skeet

>>82481271
might want to tweak the kerning. The letters are really close together for my blind self.

>>82482600
Zip-zop-zoobity-bop

>>82482802
Because she is pure unlike us.

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>>82481659
Sure, I could use the practice anyway. No lewds of Lido characters, though. That's just bad form.

>>82481722
I appreciate that.

>>82481789
Thank you! I definitely will.

>>82480963
Yeah, I got rid of the pencil shading on her neck and it looks a little weirdly smooth, but not too bad

>>82482962
I really have no idea at this point, she's not bad looking but I don't know anyone who would be able to put up with her personality
>>82482600
sherewwwww

>tfw can't draw
where can i find an artist to team up with ??

>>82483449
Maybe that Batman thread?

>>82483331
careful now, her right foot is tilted sideways but the view is overhead

>>82483449
I found my artist on /co/. Anything is possible.

But it's not possible if you do do pathetic, thinly-veiled begging like that. Fuck outta here.

>>82484032
>ANYTHING is possible
>except this
fuck off retard

>>82483846
It's not overhead, her left foot is extended, which is the part I did fuck up on because it doesn't look very natural. Thank you very much for helping me figure that out.

>>82484032
Agreed. Instead of complaining about a lack of artistic skills they should present the ideas they want to get drawn and see if anyone's interested.