Civil War

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IRON MAN DINDU NOTHING WRONG

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>We failed to protect her smile
why live?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUFWXpYJKaI

Thread theme.

>I wish that I could turn back time, cause now the guilt is all mine

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Captain America: "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." I can do those things, because I'm not a hero. I don't deserve this shield.

Iron Man: No, you can't! You're not!

Cap: I'm whatever the Accords needs me to be. Call it in.

Tony: They'll hunt you.

Cap: You'll hunt me. You'll condemn me, set the dogs on me, because it's what needs to happen. Because sometimes the truth isn't good enough, sometimes people deserve more.. Sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded.

Peter Parker: Cap? Cap! Why is he running, Mr. Stark?

Tony: Because we have to chase him.

Parker: He didn't do anything wrong.

Tony: Because, he's the hero the Avengers deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a proud patriot. A watchful protector. The First Avenger.

>muh Bucky
>muh guilt
>muh family
>muh fear
>muh homework
>muh daddy
>muh accords
>muh December 16, 1991
>muhmy
am I missing anymore "muh"?

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>>82440038
Can it all be solved with a Civil Union?

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>>82440134
Cap could have whispered sweet nothings in Tony's ear and it would all have been okay.

>>82440125
>muh father made that shield

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>>82440125
>Muh waifu

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>>82440125
Give me back muh Rhodey.

>>82440155
>sweet nothings
Like what? "I'm proud of you son" to trigger his daddy issues.

Real Thread theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbo-3kHqE48

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>>82440237
>I'll love you like ur daddy never did.

>>82440116
P O T T E R Y
O
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T
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Y

>>82440243
So what does he say in this song?

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mfw

I actually sympathised with Tony, holy shit.

>>82440194
I prefer that SW costume to the one they actually used. Seems more sleek and less cumbersome, even though it's probably the other way around.

On the other hand, Vision in Civil War looked a bit redder and less purple.

>>82439968
I fucking hate Tony and his fanbase.

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Describe Civil War with one picture.

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>>82440337

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>>82440337

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>>82440243
>>82440285
Someday you will be faced with sadness
Worrying all alone in the night

Softly a hand will reach your heart
In the depths of your mind
Something will begin to awaken

Surely I can become stronger

Someone who has lost the light
Cries with tears softly falling
Feeling your own helplessness
Still, even if it is only a little
The thought that you want to be better
Will become kindness and wrap around you.

Someday you may lose sight
Of the dim light ahead
And be desperately searching
So I will keep singing

If you lose everything
And can’t see through your tears
Feeling isolated and alone
When everything seems awful
And you don’t understand
The meaning of living
Surely Someday…
Surely Someday…

Beyond the sky
The day when you can see it
Will surely come someday

Searching for the meaning of happiness
Trusting in tomorrow again and again
Even if it seems you will be crushed and broken
Everything in me marks the end of that
Until that day I vow I will not give up

Surely Someday
Until that day
Surely Someday

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>>82440176
>muh daddy issues
>>82440194
>muh dick
>>82440218
>MY LEG

>>82440368
Why do they look like they're planning to take over the world?

>>82439968

Am I forgetting something or did we get no closure on Black Widow? After she helps Steve at the airport Tony said Ross was coming after her and she vanishes for the rest of the movie. I assume she'd end up with Cap but he seems to be raiding the Raft solo and there's no sign of her in Wakanda. Seemed odd they'd just ignore her when they showed how everyone else ended up in the last sequence/stingers. Maybe she could sleep on Clints couch for a while, his family were supposed to be off the books so Ross might not know about them and I doubt Tony's looking for her.

>>82440408
>Disney
They are.

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>>82440096
>I've lost everything. EEEEEVERYTHING.

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>>82440483
You could have stopped it.

>>82440483
>>82440408
They already have. This is the victory lap.

>>82440483
wouldn't mind living in a country run by Disney
>citizens of Disney country are called Mousketeers

>>82440543
something something mouseschwitz.

>>82440561
Who does mickey gas?

>>82440624
The jews.

Quick, what MCU movie should I rewatch before seeing Civil War?

No TWS since I saw it about 10 times already.

>>82440728
Age Of Ultron, Cap 1 and ANTS

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>>82440728
Ant-Man.

Also Hurt Locker

Would explain why Hawkeye and Falcon sticks to Cap so much

>>82440728
AoU to catch up
or Hulk to shake things up a bit

>>82440728
ANTS and Ultron

>>82440728
The Dark Knight

Cos Civil War is literally the MCU's The Dark Knight

Standing

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Best boy.

>>82440836
ON THE EDGE

>>82440889
>muh bacon
>muh mission report December 16, 1991

>Cap BTFOing Tony

I know it was his movie so he had to win the fight but damn I wanted Tony to put Steve's faggot ass in the ground

>m-muh Bucky

Fuck off

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>>82440956
Commie, leave.

>>82441022
Tell that to Howard Starks cracked face

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>>82440337
Everyone wants Steve: The movie.

>>82441101
heh
would have preferred
Tell that to Tony's mom's snapped neck

>>82440728
this >>82440751
and IronMan 2 for reasons

Was Cap not worthy in AoU because he didn't tell Tony about his parents and lied to him?

>>82441216
No, it's because he's lame

Mjolnir doesn't like dorks

>>82441216
But he was worthy though, he just did not want to be.

>>82441248
Stark, go back to your bottle.

>>82440836
HERE

>>82440370

That pottery. Base Japs

>>82440069
Only Scott can bring back the smile, he needs to do something silly and funny.

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>>82441645
perhaps he can use his proficient computer skills to entertain her?

>>82441454
I REALISE

>>82441730
Gimme a print out of Wanda smiling

>>82440889
Do you really think it upsets me, Cap? Calling me a rat because I look like one? I don’t mind it. Rats are ugly, sure, and nobody likes them, but they’re very intelligent and they have a strong survival instinct.

No wonder Tony left him.

>>82441794
>not computing
;__;

>>82439968

>Iron Man allows the deaths of thousands as an arms dealer
>creates villains like Vanko, The Mandarin, Ultron which cause more deaths
>is a fucking prick in general
>didn't want to be under goverment regulation a few years ago (and was right for it) but now does because of MUH GUILT
>nearly got pepper killed

TONY DINDU NOFFIN
HE A GOOD BOY

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>>82440096
A challenger appears:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeNNfS0ZTnU

Because Captain Hypocrite.

>>82442142
You don't understand anon. His dad didn't tell him he loved him enough.

>>82442142
>creates villains like Vanko, The Mandarin, Ultron

They made their own choices.

>>82440413
Im just gonna pretend shes staying with Laura.

>>82442221
Nah Ultron made his choice based on what Tony made him for.

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Would Pym be for Scott being a part of the fugitive Avengers or would he ask that he turn himself in so that he doesn't wind up an absentee dad to Cassie like he was with Hope.

>>82442221

>HE DINDU

>>82442177

I swear I'm the only person that liked that band...

>>82442221

>ruins their lives
>doesn't have it coming

>>82442376
>Vanko
Tony didn't ruin Vanko's life, his dad did.

>Mandarin
Killian got buttmad because Stark stood him up on new year's eve. Does that mean Stark is responsible every time someone he's blown off goes apeshit?

>Ultron
how the fuck was he supposed to know the AI would suddenly come to life and build itself?

TONY IS INNOCENT

>>82442304
Scott turning himself in means turning the suit in, so no.

>>82442498
The last one is just a lack of science fiction reading mixed with a bit of god complex.

But yeah, the other ones he's jut a causal link in a chain of shit, but that doesn't make him morally responsible necessarily.

>>82441786
THAT there are flecks of green in your blue eyes.

And people say he wasn't Zemo-y enough.

This movie is fucking garbage.

>>82442746
I'm interested anon, what capeshit movies do YOU consider to be good?

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"Sergeant Barnes?"

>The Marvel Universe is sprawling - the Marvel Cinematic Universe is enormous. Just think of all the characters that haven’t been introduced yet that are going to be introduced by the time that we’re working on Infinity War. We have a tough task just telling the stories of the characters who exist [on the big screen] in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, let alone adding the entire Marvel Television universe.
>Anything is possible in Marvel. It’s certainly something we’re considering. But our focus is on telling the stories of the characters that currently exist on the movie side.

http://screencrush.com/avengers-defenders-infinity-war-russo-bros/

So, no Defenders for IW.

>>82442966
I thought everyone knew that after the fallout with Perlmutter.

F4 appearing in the MCU has a higher chance of happening than Feige and Perlmutter working together again.

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>>82439968
That moment when Clash kicks in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzTnWkOD4QE

>>82442304
I think his hateboner for howard stark is bigger than advertised.

Makes Hank Pym was sort of Howard's Seth Killian.

>>82440370
Reminds me of Soon by Yes.

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>>82443115
>I THOUGHT I WANTED IT BUT NOT LIKE THIS

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>>82439968
>Larger than Life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goT5jslG8HA

>>82443115
Man I thought the OST was kind a weak efter seeing the movie, but I'm listening to it now and It's really good.

>>82440125
>muh hot aunt
>muh giant ants

I wonder how many of these people saying Tony should be held accountable for all the things he's done in the past and all the things that happened - indirectly - because of him are the same people crying about poor widdle waifu Wanda.

The arguments I've seen to condemn him seem repeatedly used to defend her. But he doesn't have a vagina so I guess he's a monster and she's misunderstood.

so, at the end who remains on the official avengers team? only ironman, spiderman and vision? war machine doesnt count because you know

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>>82443658
GUYS, GUYS, GUYS!

What about an army of GIANT ANTS.

HUH?! HUH?!

>>82443961

>thinking he can't just get robo legs

>>82443961
Oh, he's still in it. Rhodes said it himself. This isn't going to stop him.

>>82443867
They've both done bad things, the difference is one is holding the other accountable for what they've done(though he's done just as much bad), while Wanda let her grudge against Tony go in AOU.

Also Tony is much older and more experienced, he should KNOW BETTER not to just leave her there with Vision. She left because she felt betrayed, knowing Tony didn't even trust her enough to talk to her face to face.

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>>82440345
not enough tears

>>82443867

That's not what's happening at all you giant FAGGOT.

I don't mind if Tony is still an Avenger, I'd love it actually (in terms of working with everyone else in a civilised manner).

However where the fuck does Tony get off thinking he can tell people what to do and that Barnes should be locked up when he's done worse.

He has no high ground on anyone.

>>82444206
>Bucky is a tool used by a secret society that infiltrated all matter of world government
>Cap! You must let the government hold Bucky accountable! It's the law!

Tony can't be this retarded.

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>>82444261

>implying

>>82440335
>>82442142
This, Tony apologists are the worst.

>>82444113
>the difference is one is holding the other accountable for what they've done
Tony did what he could to make sure she was comfortable given how hopeless the legal situation with her was. He wasn't holding her accountable, he was making sure they didn't put her in a straight jacket like they did in the Raft. He wasn't being an ass when he said he was protecting her. It was a shitty situation, but he made the best he could of it.

The irony is that Wanda probably realized that when they put her in there.

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>>82444261

>tony can't be this retarded

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>>82444261

>>82443167
>Howard's Seth Killian
Hank Pym made fightan games?

Tony is shit

>>82444361
>>82444376

the hivemind is real

>>82444361
>>82444376
Holy shit

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>>82444361
>>82444376
Impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLMH_bakXck

>>82444361
>>82444376
Nice

>>82444113
Which goes back on his face when Steve didn't trust the truth about his parent's death to be good for him and had a similar but more explosive consequences.

>>82444180
MCU Rosamia Badam pls leave

>>82443867
>Wanda let the Hulk loose in Johannesburg
I'm a waifufag and I think that she deserves punishment for that
Meanwhile
>Tony created Ultron
>Tony 'created' Killian'
The damage done by the both of those far outweighs that done by the Hulk.

>>82443322
What about this Larger Than Life?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEb2CecR11I

>>82444113
You don't get to 'feel betrayed' by something like that, just because you feel bad or apologize or start trying to do the right thing. Her little mindrape stunt in AoU fucked him up and led him to create Ultron. He's not actually an iron man, he's a severely damaged human being, she should expect him to be scared of her.

If he wanted her dead that would be one thing, but he's just afraid to talk to her face to face because of her own past actions. That should not be taken as a "betrayal."

I don't hate Wanda or anything, and I can sympathize with her. But everything that's happened to her she brought upon her own head at least as much as Tony, and everyone is acting like she's an innocent victim everyone is just bullying her for no reason. Meanwhile, Tony is responsible for everything wrong in the MCU and blah blah fucking blah.

It's the hypocrisy and eagerness to overlook all of Wanda's shortcomings that pisses me off.

>>82442304
He probably would tell him he shouldn’t have gotten involved at all.

He frowned at the whole Sokovia thing but he also thinks the Starks are tools.

>>82443167
I think he just disliked Howard for trying to take his tech he has no beef with Tony but he probably wouldn't want him to touch his tech eitheir and he sure as hell wouldn't trust him since Tony is publicly known to be an unreliable little shit.

>>82444261
>Theatrened by terrorist
>Give home adress to said terrorist
>Just come fuck my shit up
>No security
>Refuses to even evacuate girlfriend
>Surprised when terrorists fuck his shit up and blow his house to smithereens.

MCU Tony is only good for building robots, and even that he fucks up on a major scale in AOU. He ALWAYS makes the wrong choice in the end.

>>82444596
This. Tony's made mistakes but until the Bucky incident, he's never done anything intentionally destructive out if spite.

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>>82440116
>He's a proud patriot. A watchful protector. The First Avenger.

>>82444620
>>Theatrened by terrorist
He wasn't threatened. Happy got hurt and he went off the deep end.

Interview with President Ellis from IM3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DgGY_snj-I

News report from the attack in Lago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_Wou74TE7A

This shit is pretty cool actually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYmn3Gwn3oI

>Tony fans right now

>>82445190
Yeah, it's nice additional info on how the population of MCU reacts to the Avengers.

>>82444620
Tony wasn't threatened, he told the Mandarin he's coming for him and put out his home address telling him to.make a move, which was a stupid idea, but it's not like that's difficult to get ahold of. He's fucking Tony Stark

>>82445273
I mean.
It's true.
You could just look it up.

>>82445086
>ATCU facility destruction mentioned in the ticker.

Agents of SHIT posters BTFO.

>>82445273
Not that anon. But Tony is full retard in IM3. He even points it out himself - why the hell isn't his security system up after he just challenged a terrorist? People can just walk straight in. He doesn't notice the army of helicopters around his house before switching on the television for fuck's sake. Not only that, he also somehow figured he walk around in his half-finished piece of shit beta suit, and not one of the other 50 more powerful/endurable ones he has stocked up in his basement.

He keeps talking about how keeping Pepper safe is the most important to him, but doesn't budge when she wants him to leave the Malibu home with her, despite knowing she will be in as much danger as him if it's attacked. So basically his pride is more important to him than his girlfriend's life.

>>82445190
>someone supporting the Avengers
fuck that was nice to see. I needed at least one incident of that in the movie. Like, if the Avengers weren't there, Rumlow sells a bio-weapon and half a country is wiped out. If Wanda hadn't lobbed him skyward, the death count would've been triple the casualties actually inflicted.

>>82445418
>AoS gets exposure in viral marketing for a movie, gets linked as part of the movie universe
>BTFO
???
Unless you mean the ahitposters against Agents are the one getting BTFO in which case that could probably have been better phrased.

>>82445190
>this blonde lady still on tony stark's dick after 8 years

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Bucky more like unlucky

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>be me, US president
>prominent American CEO kidnapped in Afg-Pak border area after the 20 soldiers with him are killed in total disaster ambush
>everyone knows
>head of country's largest arms corporations turns out to have been selling weapons to the Taliban for the lulz
>military science experiment creates green rage monster
>fucking retarded general continually attacks some scientist when he's not doing anything, always resulting in the rage monster being released and millions in property damage
>US special forces illegally serve up arrest warrants and cross into friendly countries with extradition treaties to kidnap this guy
>again, thanks to general retard
>dozens of deaths
>general retard tries to fix things by making another green rage monster
>results in a city block in Harlem getting trashed

[cont.]

>dozens more deaths
>CEO tells my government to fuck itself on live TV after effortlessly bypassing our computer security
>he's clearly in possession of illegal weapons, heck he's basically wearing a fighter jet
>audience cheers and say we got BTFO anyway
>an alien mech goes on a rampage in a new mexico town
>oh nvm, we covered that up
>now aliens are literally invading New York
>are less capable than a WW2-era military and apparently there's only a couple thousand of them
>guy on steroids, guy with bow, guy wearing fighter jet, and girl with pistols BTFO the aliens
>decide to nuke New York City anyway after 15 minutes and 75 deaths
>only saved by CEO wearing a fighter jet
>oh well, at least I still have SHIELD
>turns out my country's main intelligence agency was infiltrated by terrorists
>like literally half of its personnel are terrorist sleeper agents
>also my VP is part of an unrelated terrorist conspiracy and trying to kill me
>also another local CEO is selling weapons to the Taliban and planning to take over the world or some shit
>launches several high profile attacks on US soil
>my only response is to send one soldier who gets BTFO immediately
>I get kidnapped
>am only saved by the same CEO who also stopped the aliens

>he creates an evil robot who nearly destroys the Earth
>my government sits with a dick in its hand the entire he and his buddies stop it
>none of the people on his team including him and the bitch who made Hulk wreck a South African city block get any punishment
>fucking general retard is now secretary of state
>human personification of my country decides my government sucks and moves
>fractures the only team that's been keeping the planet from becoming Mad Max
>star soldier BTFO again
>more bombings on US soil I didn't even mention earlier
>mfw i still have my job

Movie was okey. The problem is that looking back across the movies, the only person that really needs oversight is fucking Tony himself.
And zemo was a total waste of space. The movie would have worked much better without him. Honestly, the conflict would have been much more natural without him, and wouldn't have had such a simple resolution.

>>82447224
But the conflict is not over.

>>82447348
Yes it is. Caps letter to Tony instantly reconciles the two through the power of last minute words. Cap forms his own Secret-Avengers team which tony can use, the same way Coulson is Secret-Shield for President Ellis. Not that the tv show is relevant at all for the movie, but the comparison can be made.

>>82447458
No, they are still on the run, what Cap said is
>If another thing like the chitauri invasion or Ultron happens give me a call because the Accords won't matter if the Earth is toast

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>>82447181
>>82447166
How can one man be this incompetent/unlucky

>>82447706
did cap get powerboosted again or is he still on WS levels?

mom told me to become gay and get a man like him during that

>>82447860
>that spoiler
Kek. Every mom wants Cap as their son in law.

Did the Winter Soldier killed Tony's parents in the comic?

>>82447952
Nope
He killed Wolvie's waifu though.

>>82448035
Jean?

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>>82448282
Daken's mom, I forget her name
Anyway Bucky spent a lot of time in Japan so if they ever want an excuse to push him even deeper into Raiden/Sam territory that would be it.

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Bucky is moe

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>>82447706
Laughing Evans edit when

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>>82448770
something about his mouth is cracking me up

>>82447860
good taste

Just got back and I'm going to regret posting this, but yeah, I was with Team Iron Man by the end.

I was neutral at the start and both sides had pretty fair points but all the events of the film felt like proof that yeah, they needed something to reign them in. ok yes I know it'll be abused because this is a film adapted from marvel but based on what happened in the movie

Steve seemed entirely motivated by his friendship with Bucky, he just happened to be right in this instance. Then he didn't seem at all interested in engaging or arguing his points.
There's standing your ground against the world and then there's ignoring and stomping over it.

>>82440243
>no rock version everywhere
fuck

>>82440243
Not weeaboo enough.

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>>82440337

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>>82440337

>>82450652
How do you engage and argue with a man who is entirely motivated by misplaced revenge?

Bucky was a tool, a weapon. Tony wouldn't accept that because of his personal stake in things, and was willfully oblivious to Cap's point that a large organization can be corrupt.

We've seen from TFA that Cap will disobey orders for the greater good. This shouldn't be a surprise.

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>rewatching Cap: TFA
>Howard helps Steve rescue the guy that would eventually kill him

>>82451241
He recognizes Bucky before he kills him.

>>82451164
>How do you engage and argue with a man who is entirely motivated by misplaced revenge?
If we're talking about the end then yeah, you're not wrong. They're all pretty fucked up by the end.
>willfully oblivious to Cap's point that a large organization can be corrupt.
I never got the sense that Steve was trying to fight for his point, not with anybody.
His point that the large organization was a good one but it's not like you can just ignore it and hope it goes away.
And even that organisation has a point, the team really needed find ways of decreasing the chances of civilians being killed in their battles. Not to mention they're actions are going to affect and complicate international affairs. They couldn't just avoid responsibility.

>>82451164
>>82451494
>Cap will disobey orders for the greater good.
It all hinges that Cap's always going to know the greater good. Which will be true as long as the studio say so but from an in-universe point of view.

Cap to me looked like he was avoiding responsibility and his actions felt inept and short-sited.

>>82451597
But Cap wanted to take responsibility and not pass it off to the UN? His actions were perfectly legitimate considering the amount of corruption and politics that would stop the avengers from ever being able to stop a crisis again under orders from the UN.

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That's what he gets for trying to impress a poser.

>>82451672
That's why I was neutral at the beginning.
But what were his plans for taking responsibility?
What where his plans for dealing with UN as an entity without joining them? and the politics that they would inevitably affect?

But after that his main motivation seemed to be protecting Bucky, and maybe dealing with Zemo. He didn't seem to be thinking about the consequences, just his immediate surroundings and circle.
I would have had way more confidence if he did more to argue his very reasonable point at the start.

>>82451981
we never really got to find out because of the events in the movie, his arguments were placed forth and pretty much afterwards he had to protect his friend and deal with Zemo. Also say I agreed on the points about Cap and his side, why is team IM the right choice? That end of things is still wrong and shouldn't happen even if cap's way is wrong.

>>82452063

Well, to be honest, IM isn't completely wrong, the whole problem rests solely on the assumption that people are corrupt and as such, the UN will control the Avengers for their interest.

But if we take out the whole "corruption" from the equation, everyone on the table would sign on a heartbeat. Including Capt America.

Black Panther sums it perfectly the whole situation when talking with Black Widow for the first time.

"I agree with the Accord, not with the politics."

The Treaty is good, it makes sense, the real and only problem is that it's run by men, and men are falible.

>>82452063
I say I agreed with Team Iron Man at the end or I guess the call for regulation since the destructive behaviour on all sides seemed to prove the need for it.

At least if they has signed this thing, they could work together to play the system as much as everyone else done. Or at least engaged in dialogues to get a fairer or better deal. I mean it's not like their voiceless.
You have to engage with something if you want to influence it.

Honestly though it really was something that should have been thought of when the Avengers were founded.

>>82439968
>His mother's name is Maria!

>>82452381
But the point of TWS was that you can't have a government like that and not get corruption. It's a daring point to make and they sweep it under the rug because "LOL SUPER NAZIS ALL DEAD NOW".

Cap had to defend an innocent man who was tortured and brainwashed. Would it be easier if Cap could hand him over to someone who can help? Sure. But there's no way of knowing that HYDRA won't just take control of him again.

>>82452464
nigga what
people are loving the shit out of this movie, all the theaters on my town are full all day since it opened here

you just starting a company wars where there isnt any

fuck this /co/ntrarian season
its always the same

>>82452581
>his friend's name is James!

>>82452753
But Cap didn't seem to have a plan for how he was going to protect him other than to hide.

Corruption is inevitable but so is the fact they exist and their integral to the structure the world is built on.
If they were on "friendly" terms with the governments of the world, at least then they might be able to find ways of protecting Bucky without openly antagonising the powers of the world.

Or just any sort of alternate plan.

>>82453113
After the HYDRA blow out there really was nowhere safe. They had agents EVERYWHERE, they almost got that death machine up in the air and nobody would've been the wiser.

That's HYDRA's deal. Cap just cut off a few heads.

>>82445006
>he's never done anything intentionally destructive out if spite.
He did intentionally treat Wanda terribly because she is not American, and said so.

>>82453113
Bucky was fine until the powers of the world let Zemo have a go at him. Placing Bucky under control of another organization that can easily be infiltrated is the worst choice. Pierce himself was a trusted public figure and we saw how he abused that to have control over Bucky. Somebody like Bucky really is best off the grid and hidden so that Hydra or more Zemos can't get to him. T'challa is the only one with the technology they can trust in this case. Government is fallible because it operates under the assumption that the people in power are good and making the right choices.

>>82452753
>Would it be easier if Cap could hand him over to someone who can help? Sure
Cap tried and then Bucky got Zemo'd.

People forget that Cap was ready to sign up for the Accords until he found out they essentially forced a number of his friends into living in glorified prisons like stockpiled weapons, waiting to be unleashes by a possibly corrupt system. Having Zemo then break in and activate Bucky's brain washing just solidified to him the fact the Accords and the people overseeing them were inadequate for the job.

Why didn't they just destroy the quinjet? Especially vision when he was trying to block the hangar

>>82453263
That's fair.
My disappointment in Cap came mainly from the fact that he didn't seem to have any intentions of dealing with the problem.
To me Tony seemed to be trying.

It's to the film's credit I guess that they did a good job of setting up a believable conflict with weight on both sides.

>>82453714
Well, Cap can't fix the world. He said in TWS that he hated having to compromise to do good, and now the HYDRA thing only furthered his disdain for the whole political thing. He focused on keeping his best friend out of enemy hands, because he owes Bucky his life.

I can't fault him for that. He's had to watch the life he had crumble to dust. Saw all that he fought for perverted. And then he finds a remnant of his past that he can help.

>>82453519
Perhaps I'd have been more impressed if they found an efficient way of keeping Bucky off the grid much earlier.

>>82453814
Plus it quickly escalted from help Bucky not get shot on sight to trying to stop the super soldier plot and Zemo in Siberia. He tried informing Tony and wasn't listened to. They were ultimately wrong about Zemo's actual plan, but at the time rounding up Team Cap was the only choice.

>>82453814
He was doing so on a global stage where other people were going to get involved whether he liked it or not.

It felt irresponsible of him to continue acting as though he were in a void.

>>82453941
They didn't have time to try. Once they caught Bucky after he was Zemo'd, they thought they had to go stop something worse happening in Siberia that relied on Bucky's knowledge of the base. There literally was no time for Cap and Bucky to even breathe between everyone coming after them. They went with T'Challa after the dust settled.

Good movie
Gonna see it again tomorrow

>>82454052
And that was the point where should have stopped and started thinking a little more.
Think of a plan, try engage in talks again.
And really, wasn't sure if it was intentional on the part of the writers, but Steve never felt like he pressed hard enough with the knowledge they had. Same with the accord stuff.

honestly any one who isnt team cap needs to kill themselves right now

>>82454840
over a movie

>>82455002
mcu is serious business you nigger

>>82453714
>To me Tony seemed to be trying.
Tony is not trying, Tony is failing. And that is why Tony ended up breaking the Accords he signed himself at the end, because he tried to go by the book but Ross blocked him. Tony himself didn't believe in the Accords, he only signed it because he was always planning to break it in secret when he needed to. Cap just don't plan to sign anything at all unless he really WAS going to obey it.

>Maria Stark
>Maria has 5 letters in it
> also has an "I" which doubles as a 1
>5 + 1 = 6
>6 Letter name that starts with an "Ma" and ends with an "-a"
>Martha

Is there anything Martha's can't do?

They can bring people together but also tear them apart!

>>82455196
So would Tony have done better if he went round the book and bent it?

>if F. Gary Gray hadn't been busy doing Straight Outta Compton he might've directed Civil War
thank goodness
I wasn't here for the original reaction to the Russos directing Winter Soldier, what were people's reactions like?

>>82455861
>Them?
and
>DEAD FRANCHISE

>>82455591
>So would Tony have done better if he went round the book and bent it?
The whole reason Tony signed the Accord was because he doesn't want to deal with the responsibility anymore. It was all about him, him, him. Never the big picture. A textbook narcissist.

>>82447224
Without Zemo there's no conflict, idiot

>>82451597
There is a reason why Cap dropped the shield
And said Tony was better at leading the avengers.

He lived ling enough to see himself become 'the villain'

>>82455905
Heh.

>>82453814
Bucky is also his last tie to his previous life, specially after peggy death

Cap: Tony if you sign that they will come q point where you need to go somewhere and they won't let you
Tony: we will work it out
>at the end of the movie both things became true

>>82443167
>Pym always said you could never trust a Stark!
>Who are you?
>Come on, man...

I loved that. Scott really looked bummed out. I love ants

>>82455936
I haven't seen the film yet, but the only two explanations for your post would be a complete misunderstanding of the character, or a completely out of character arc for MCU Tony Stark in this movie. Given how impressed most people seem to be and all the positive reception the movie has gotten from pedestrians and comic fans alike, I'm going to guess that it's the former rather than the latter.

>>82453612
nobody can answer it, so we agree this is the movie's major plot flaw? ok then

>>82444361
That's only alcoholic.

>>82448770
cute

>>82445273
The Mandarin blew up Happy.

>>82459130
He survived tho.

>>82459130
He woke up at the end.

>>82451064
> "Aliens are attacking America! Wanda, please save us!"

> "Oh, hang on, you said I'm not an American citizen, so I have no rights, and therefore I have no right to help you...so kindly fuck off and die ou American cunts!"

>>82447348
> Tony can use people who hate him top kek.

Hank, Wanda, and Clint, will hang Tony out to dry.

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>>82459471
She's now a corpse.
I doubt she would even react.

>>82451241
"Captain Barnes?"

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>>82459023
Sebastian Stan makes these weird scared or confused faces all throughout the whole movie. It's actually pretty adorable. Might even be intentional since he wasn't doing that in the last film and it would make sense with what's going on with him.

You ever wonder if Howard and Peggy maybe DID have a fling together at one point and in fact Tony is Peggy's son?

>>82460125
Why would Howard be the one to keep the kid if it was a fling? If anything he'd have paid off to make him disappear

>>82460125
What if it was Cap the one who impregnated Howard.

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>>82459806
Is there a version of this without the stupid text?

>>82460175
> Cap is Tony's father.

>>82460333
That might actually be better for Tony

>>82460175
What if it was Howard who impregnated Bucky.

>>82452246

The biggest problem with the Accords and one that nobody in the movie brings up, is that while they're a good idea in theory, the last time the Avengers worked under someone they almost nuked them and thousand's of civillians because they looked like maybe they might lose.

And that they want to put them in the hands of Thunderbolt Ross, the idiot who thought it was a good idea to juice Blonsky up on defective super soldier serum, regularlly tried to kill Banner for no reason and has a habit of treating superpowered people like shit.

The Avengers have really good reasons not to trust anyone who's telling them to do this but instead they treat it like it's an entirely moral issue alone.

>>82459806
Bucky is cute. CUTE!

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Under normal conditions the accords are clearly the best option, but the MCU Earth governments are insanely incompetent. Whoever decided to give four people from around the world the authority to nuke fucking New York City should be thrown into a blender.

Damn, fuck Joss Whedon. Pictured: the true solution to the Chitauri problem.

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People are really fond of the plum scene huh.

>>82462020
>60,000 rounds of ammunition
So War Machine flies around with a couple tons of ammunition in his suit. Got it.

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>>82462262
Didn't he have more arm left in the flashback?

>>82462966
They probably cut off more and more of it with upgrades.

>>82462966
Never noticed the gangrene. How long was he down there for? And probably without eating?

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>>82463031
No clue how long until they found him, but after they put him on ice again until Zola was able to get out and continue the experimentation. Bucky's life is literally the most horrific part of the MCU.

>>82463244
>tfw a wolf probably ate his arm off

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>>82463317
Sebastian has said that during the original shooting they showed him losing his arm during the fall, but then went back and reshot it so he didn't and so he had doubts that he'd even be coming back. They didn't even tell him that the second movie was TWS until they announced it and he got a call from a friend congratulating him.

>>82463031
It's fresh blood which implies soon. But we never see him actually hit the ground or anything, so it's possible a rock fell on his arm after he landed and the Russian guys 127 Hours'd him free.

So which torrent is english and watchable? I don't feel like wasting my time downloading and trying a gorillion different ones til I find a non shit one.

>>82463367
I never knew Seb and Seabass were even nicknames for Sebastian until the Best Friends The Evil Within LP.

>>82463367
Someone posted a draft of the early script where he lost his arm because it got shot off by HYDRA laser (rather than Cap trying to save him from the train and not getting there in time). Which is weird because it should've been cauterized by then.

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>agreeing with Tony
There's only one thing Tony has ever done right in the MCU and that was making the suit for Peter

>>82447706
someone needs to put an "I'M FUCKING ZYZZ BRAH" caption on when he flips his hand

>>82463604
What about guiding the nuke into the Chitauri portal?

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>>82448770
The entire Bucky vs Black Panther fight is a goldmine.

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>mfw people think Cap should've been on the side of the accords because "america agreed with it"

Captain America would more accurately be named "Captain Freedom". He doesn't fight for America, he fights for the ideals America was founded on.

>>82463703

>Captain AMERICA

>Wants to violate your country's sovereignty and cause untold collateral damage in order to kill the bad guys

Sounds about right.

>>82463703
Captain Patriot.

>>82463703
>he fights for the ideals America was founded on

Low tax rates and being controlled by a rich elite instead of a king?

>>82463767

Don't forget slavery

>Paul Rudd looks the same as he did in Halloween
What the fuck.

>>82463860
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9boDl-fJKA
Paul Rudd is a Hamon user.

>>82463652
Yeah you're right, I hated that movie so I forget about it all the time

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>>82463692
He has a hilariously emotive face. Probably why they made him wear the muzzle.

>>82464032
is he trying to be a meme

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>>82464050
Maybe.

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>>82464032
Legitimately terrifying.

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>>82464050
This is just who he is, respect his life choices.

>>82442266
Ultron was entirely Scarlet Slut's fault.

>>82443567
Yeah it's not really well synced to the scenes.

>>82464123
Ultron was already in the works before the events of the movie happened.
Tony was going to use it anyway because he's tired of having to defend the planet.

Plus what she did was give visions to everyone about things that would make them afraid, she had no control over what was shown.

She could have shown him Pepper's dead body, for example.

>>82454552
>Think of a plan, try engage in talks again.
With who? Ross?

>>82457510
Go see it then argue. Even Black Widow say that Tony is too full of himself.

>>82439968
>MCU's best villain happens to be their first hero

Why did Marvel do this?

>>82441106
this is a sfw board sir

>>82464163
Are you missing the part where she and her brother willingly helped Ultron?

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>>82464062
he looks like Javier Bardem

>>82464350
And the part where she literally ripped out his heart the moment she realized what he wanted to do?

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They should give Blaine super serum + some Murikan firearms and replace Captain America with him on the Avengers, he will kill HYDRA and Commies wherever they may be rather than attacking American troops because he doesn't think they're treating a mass murderer nice enough.

>>82464532
But he's a falseflagging faggot hired by the HYDRA Commies to gain the heroes' trust, only for them to [trigger] him and kill them all from within.

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>>82464090
they need to give him proper ham and cheese the next time he appears

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>>82464739
I'd feed him my ham and cheese, if you know what I mean.

>>82447166
>>82447181
>mfw I still have my job
>pulls mask off to reveal it was Obama all along

>>82447181
According to a promotional video, he picked Ross for Secretary of State

>>82464357

>"Wait who is this?"
>"It's, uh, your conscience, we haven't been speaking much lately.

I think Tony's Pro-Accords stance would have had more legs if he claimed that if it was put into action, then heroes could help heroes faster with sudden threats so that individual Avengers won't have to go against scenarios like TDW, TWS, and IM3 by themselves

Black widow should be renamed helicopter girl.

>>82455936
I saw him more as deliberately trying to think of the bigger picture. He realised he wasn't trustworthy and wanted to be held to account to the wider world.

I mean I suppose you could argue that the guilt meant he was still brining it down to himself but again; trying.

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I wonder, after the airport fight would the public even trust the Avengers anymore? Using a public place to have a brawl, no less an airport (even if it's evacuated and shut down).

I've seen the movie and probably missed something during the epilogue.

Did I miss something? Who hired Crossbones?

>>82465684
Would the public even know what it was about though? It's not like there were cameras. As far as the public were concerned, they were evacuated and then there were explosions.

>>82465690
Zemo I believe

>>82465690
probably Zemo, but Crossbones said it was Bucky

>>82465697
An airport was evacuated, sure as hell reporters would jump on that shit.

>>82465697
>>82465701
Surely it could have been Zemo using the get up which he used to make it look like Bucky blew up the UN?

>>82465721
Probably? I'll admit, I'm really interested in what they cut from this movie. It was close to two and a half hours long, managed to cover about 10-12 people's worth of story (even though some were kinda bare and straight to the point), and still worked great. So if there's any cut content, or a directors cut that goes more into detail on things that might have been overseen (who hired Crossbones, how was Scott actually brought on, what actually happens to Widow after the fight, how the team was arrested/how they ended up at the raft, etc, etc)

>>82465697
>>82465701
>>82465721
I got the impression that Zemo was working alone, not affiliated with HYDRA. Didn't seem like the Nigera incident was something he had a hand in.

>>82465752
>Didn't seem like the Nigera incident was something he had a hand in.

I have to say though without what happened there, the whole thing with the UN and the accords wouldn't have happened so...

>>82465752
Crossbones wasn't with HYDRA anymore if I recall. He's a hired gun now.

So, who's looking forward to Uncle Tony for Spider-man?

Or Doc Ock and Tony fighting over Aunt May's hand?

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>>82465815
graet now really want to see that story adapted in some way

Was I the only one who was as disappointed with this movie as BvS. Both could have probably been a lot better

>>82448374
Itsu?

>>82465883
Not really, BvS was based on two good stories, while CW was based on one of the worst comic book events ever made.

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>In BvS, a dead anticlimactically mom ends a fight
>In Civil War, a dead mom reignites a fight for a satisfying climax
POTTERY

>>82451064
>How can you see into my eyes like open doors

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>>82440337

>>82440368
>And then Snyder said "we're going to have a fricking Captain America movie if we're not careful"

>>82448770
>>82463692
AHHH HELP STEVE HE'S GOT CLAWS

>>82447224
Zemo was GOAT.

>Doesn't have powers
>Doesn't hava a gimmick scream/laugh/quirk
>Doesn't even fight
>Delivers one of the best lines in the movie
>Fucking gets what he wants at the end

I don't see how he was a bad villain.

>>82464232
She says that again? You used her exact words from IM2 in your initial post, are you just referring to that scene? The words of one character regarding another shouldn't trump the actions of the character in question. I'm not arguing that he has an ego, but that he only thinks of himself and "me, me, me." Show trumps tell. The character has shown that he's deeply flaws and he knows it, and while he may objectively think he's hot shit (because the world has been telling him so since he was a child, because his father never did), emotionally he's a stew of disconnected feelings, self-hate and depression.

He's fucking tragic, and it's made all the more tragic that none of the people close to him have ever noticed, because until he recently started failing to hold it together he got the job done.

>>82466481
>>Doesn't even fight
I like that. Because what is the point? He doesn't have an army of space aliens, and THEY lost. To try to physically kill the Avengers with less resources than what Loki had at his disposal, is silly and futile.

No doubt he CAN fight, he is a former government black ops agent. But he is smart enough to know not to try to head-butt a brick wall. Do what it takes to win, not do what is the most glamorous.

>>82457748
No one had a clear shot of it. The quinjet is apparently fast enough to outrun Ironman and WM. Also, they weren't trying to kill Cap.

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>>82466141
I like how Tony snaps a Bucky first for killing his mom and then snaps a Steve because how jealous he was that his dad praises him almost all the time.

>"He killed my mom"
>"You don't deserve that shield. My dad made that"

>>82466481
>>Fucking gets what he wants at the end

What line? Memory's a little foggy.

>>82466509
>He's fucking tragic, and it's made all the more tragic that none of the people close to him have ever noticed, because until he recently started failing to hold it together he got the job done.
He is tragic, but he still only following the accords because of his own personal pain. There is nothing wrong with that technically, at least it isn't illegal. But in the end Tony never really wanted to deal with the backlash and just think of the Accords as just something to appease the angry mums with dead sons.

But then Ross happened, and now Ross is the real person running the Avengers and the UN is just going to robber stamp what Ross wants.

>>82455196
>he was always planning to break it in secret when he needed to.

This. He hints Cap about this a lot. Cap just doesn't want to live his live in bullshit.

>>82466556
Martin Freeman's character was taunting him how Zemo gained nothing and Zemo sneered back and asked "are you sure?" then Freeman's character stopped smiling.

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That feel when you realize this movie is basically batman v superman with better cameos for future movies.

>>82453612
because either it was the quinjet that Tony and the gang came in with or no one had a clear shot. Besides all they wanted to do was catch Cap and his posse.

>>82466556
To Captain America, when he gets real close: 'I'm glad to see there are some green spots in your blue eyes...'

Or something like this.

>>82466574
>This. He hints Cap about this a lot. Cap just doesn't want to live his live in bullshit.
Yep. And that's because for Cap he lives in an older time when a promise, a word, and a signature men something personal to him. For Tony a signature is something you can weasel out of as long as you have a good lawyer.

>>82466581
>>82466600
Oh fuck me, I quoted the wrong bit.

>>Delivers one of the best lines in the movie

I meant this one.

>>82466585
>That feel when you realize this movie is basically a better batman v superman with cameos for future movies.

FTFY

>>82466634
Spiderman and giant man where the only 2 things that made me like this movie more than BvS, but the motivation for the villain was AS2 electro kind of bad

>>82466793
>but the motivation for the villain was AS2 electro kind of bad
Seriously? You actually think that? Zemo wanted revenge because his entire family died, that's a pretty understandable motivation, and it refelected perfectly with many of the themes of the movie. Electro was just some loser who latched onto Spider-Man and was then butthurt when it turned out he didn't remember him. There's no comparission.

>>82466793
>but the motivation for the villain was AS2 electro kind of bad

You have shit taste. Zemo was nothing like that.

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>>82466991
My son was an avengers fan, now he ded, this means you all must die. great plan m8

>>82467205
>My son was an avengers fan, now he ded, this means you all must die. great plan m8
You joke, but people have murdered for that, all the time. And he was special forces, so unlike the average joe he actually HAS the means to plan a revenge.

>>82467205
>My son was an avengers fan, now he ded
You seem to have missed the part where his son's death was objectively the Avengers' fault

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>>82467205
>Muh things to trivialise

I believe it was done right.

You created a monster that killed my family. Now I'll destroy your family.

>>82440069
Bitch deserve it, anon.

>>82467278
At least the avengers where trying to help the victims, unlike in MoS.
Being bussy rescuing other people =/= killing

>>82463735
A little gratitude please.

If Cap stayed frozen & there were no Avengers, NYC would be a smoldering, radioactive crater & Loki would be God Emperor of the World.

I can deal with a few civilian casualties & trashed buildings if it means not being conquered by Kree or Tony's botched science fair projects.

>>82467323
he aparentlly discovered the avengers created ultron in the same movie tony discovered who parker was and lex discovered who batman and superman where.
Plot hole much?

>>82463703
But that speech make him more of Captain Hitler than Captain Freedom, anon.

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>>82467244
IKR Homer Simpson Almost killed Burns for not remembering his name

>>82467454
To be fair, Kent & Supes look a lot alike.

Bruce Wayne is one of three people rich enough to live La Vida Batshit crazy.

Also, Tony's fuck ups are all public knowledge.

>>82467482
>IKR Homer Simpson Almost killed Burns for not remembering his name
You are using Homer Simpson, a know violent RETARD, as your example?

>>82440728
AoU, Iron Man 1 and 3 and ANTS to understand most of the reasons why everyone went for their actions.

I swear, you might hate IM3 due to MUH MANDARIN, but it explains a lot of things that Tony went for in Civil War.

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>>82467499

>>82467454
Tony is a fucking genius who has an army of robots and an AI at his disposal. He can easily find out who that kid on youtube is.

Tony's fuck ups were made public.

Stop being a nitpicking faggot.

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>>82449204
kinda shit at photoshop, hopefully someone can come along and do better

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>>82467686
i just dont get how this movie got a rating so fucking high.

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>>82467717
?

>>82467785
I know right?

it should be higher if it's not because of mad DC fags

>>82451064
>Wanda wants to be hardcore but her mom won't let her

>>82467785
There are no bad scenes in this movie which is a fucking accomplishment because it's such a huge, unprecedented project, it had everything to be a mess. Some people want Marvel to fail so bad they can't even perceive that. I don't care for corporations but I can spot a great movie when I see one.