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Dumbing of Age

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Mary is back!
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>>82405026
So is willis talking about himself because it certainly feels it. He really needs to gain more selfawareness.
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Willis has added ANOTHER gay couple to the strip
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>>82405026
>blue haired girl has Willis' haircut
He's not even trying to be subtle about the self-inserts anymore.
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>>82405026
Using what looks like boozles for what I'm assuming is alcohol withdrawal is a little awkward.

At least there's no hideous profile drawings in this one.
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>>82405199
You're being too generious. Willis literally only has 3 hair cuts at his disposal. Her haircut is literally the same as every other person's, but short. Hell, Mary's got a slightly more angular version of that exact same haircut.
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>>82405160

What makes him think that Mary is expecting an award? She makes a distinct point that no one is getting one.
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>being a nice person is supposed to be a charade

again, why are we supposed to like Ruth?
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>>82405026
>willis will never cure his sameface or samehair
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>>82405264
Just so you know, posting anything from the comment section is a bannable offense for some reason. Just to avoid future issues with this.
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>>82405582
Willis seems like the kind of guy who has had the same haircut for twenty years. He probably cuts it himself.
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Do we have any news from Patreanon?
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>>82405026
I thought the red haired one with glasses was a lesbian and that the dark haired christian one knew she fucks girls. How could she be faking sticking up for queers when she's gay herself?
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>>82405026

I hate stories that do this shit, characters that hate each other intiating conversations with the person they hate
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>>82405866
Mary's referring to Carla as queer. It's kinda weird for her to say that since she'd be the type to lump everyone under the queer label, but there are gay and trans people who reject the queer label for various reasons.
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>>82405026
This will be useful for later.
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>>82405260
I seriously thought she was just a blue Leslie.
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>>82405939
I'm going to get some mileage out of this one.

Mary is literally the only sane character.
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>>82405320
because she has grrl power and also she is a lesbian
why are you against such rich diversity
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>>82405026
...are we sure he has no self-awareness?
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wait isn't the redhead trans or did I mix her up with another character
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>>82405199
>Drawing himself as a lesbian

So what's he going to call himself after the sex change?
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>>82406078
I read this comic pretty much only when I see these threads, and the only character I like in any way is Mary

the other characters are swarmy unlikeable douchebags who try to one up eachother in being douchebags in every way
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guys we need more hourglass expansion pronto.
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>>82406170
Shit how would his kids react?
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>>82405866
Mary is doing reverse of "homophobes are just repressed homos". She thinks Ruth was only doing lesbos to win libertanian/sjw points.
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>>82406197
They'd grow up to make webcomics about awful parents and tranny strawmen
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>>82406126
was that not already obvious?
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>Early Joyce and Current Mary are only likable characters in the whole comic
I don't get it, I thought you guys said Willis used Christians as strawmen
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>>82406197
>Yeah, that sounds like something dad would do.
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>>82406236
and the cycle continues...
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>>82406241
he has a voice in the back of his head that whispers louder and louder with every passing day

some day, it'll eclipse all the other voices and he will be sane
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>>82406249
it has been foretold now,
by Cycle Cera
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>>82406219
You don't get libertarian points for doing lesbos, you get libertarian points for not caring about people doing lesbos.
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>>82406236
>>82406249
>Willis's children will be conservative Christians
>Their children will be hippie communists
>Their children...
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>>82406236
Wouldn't the anti-thesis of Willis be an inconsistent but interesting and well-characterized webcomic?
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>>82406327
Yes. It's called Blaster Nation
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>>82406327
So... It hurts!!?
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>>82406348
>Blaster Nation
>Good
Just... Fuck you, man. Fuck, I don't know what to say here other than fuck you. Ugh.
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>>82406348
>>82406382
What is this one about?

>>82406350
Mm yeah, also hits the opposite on "nothing really bad sticks to the characters" to "shit's done fucked up yo, AGAIN AND AGAIN"
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>>82406382
>Ugh
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>>82406382
>Blaster Nation
>Bad
https://soundcloud.com/anusfarts/grand-it-up
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>>82406414
I don't know how else to explain that it wasn't an 'angry' fuck you, but an exasperated, 'I can't be doin' with this' fuck you.
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>>82405026
>blue haired Lesbian Willis

IS THERE ANY OTHER "LESBIANS" THAT I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT?!
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>>82406160
The redhead is an alcoholic lesbian.
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>>82407973
Bisexual
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>>82406241
he's not very good at it
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>>82406413
>What is this one about?
Slice of life about mostly terrible people, but the story also makes sure that they do stumble and have to make good of themselves at times.
Rock Cocks is about degenerate sluts fucking and making music that prompts fucking. It's lovely.
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>>82405195
Grace and Mandy have already been shown as a couple. Fucking casuals, not keeping track of every minor character in DoA and coming in here talking nonsense
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>>82406170
UltraCarlamus Prime.
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>>82405026

BASED MARY

>next comic:
>willis tries to pretend that what mary just said is wrong
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>>82405260
i never thought i'd be defending willis about anybody, but it is just retarded to claim he doesn't have an adequate selection of hairstyles
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>>82405320
Because she's got red hair. Everyone in this strip with red hair is meant to be one of the good guys.

Note that I said "mean to be".
>>82406219
>>82406279
You're both wrong; you get libertarian points for getting offended at homosexuals getting the same rights as other people and being pissedoff at rape victims for a) wanting their rapist to be convicted and b) getting raped in the first place
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>>82408211
Ok I admit I am not very keen on the political parties of the murricans.
What are the pro-sjws called?
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>>82408115
>Carla suddenly shows up and gives Ruth a literal merit badge

Take THAT, Mary!
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So wait... what IS the charade?

What am I taking away from this comic?
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>>82408353
Ruth is suddenly pretending to be nice, especially to the lesbians, and pretending to do her job properly after months of being a rude lazy bitch
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>>82405060
It's even worse than that. The comic literally only makes sense if you assume Ruth is a stand-in for Willis.

I mean, Ruth is in bisexuals with Billie. Mary fucking knows that. So the idea that Ruth's being nice for liberal brownie points is absurd.

Dammit Willis, I knew you were incompetent at writing
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>>82408353
Ruth is putting a charade of acting nice.
Mary thinks that her supporting LGBT rights was a charade.
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>>82408295
I'm pretty sure the only pro-SJWs are SJWs.

Hell, I'm liberal and I think SJWs are, at best, paving the road to hell.
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>>82408416
But there's that Bernie guy, right? He's for LGBT rights, yes? What side is he on.
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>>82408452
>apparently, some SJWs are considering dropping the G from LGBT, because according to them gays aren't as oppressed these days.
...that's some new favour of crazies. Not sure if crazier than truscum feminists or they still hold the cake.
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>>82408537
In my country (Bongistan), we have a libertarian think tank/online magazine who shoves their oar into every political issue by taking a completely contrarian stance, for no other reason than to piss off the dumb old liberals.

They got in the news a few years back when one of them claimed that all the people who got molested by Jimmy Saville, Stuart Hall et al. should just let it go and stop making such a fuss. Their editor once made a speech in Parliament saying that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry, because they hadn't protested the issue in the right way, then got pissy when polticians started laughing at him.
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>>82408729
Well that's where your country differs from America, where the Libertarians by and large just want the government to leave them the hell alone. Small scale isolationists, you might say.
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>>82408729
Sorry, forgot links:

http://www.freezepage.com/1462189088OCKWCMZPZT
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmpublic/marriage/130214/pm/130214s01.htm#13021470000269
>>82408816
I see...
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>>82409148
In the middle of this comic, I had hope arise that Mary would try to help Ruth since she seems to be having trouble with alcohol abuse, but my first impulses are usually foolishly romantic.
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>>82409145
>prosecuting pedos will destroy freedom!
>so let's take all these rights away from people who were raped/molested when they were young!
Christ... this is fucking ridiculous
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>>82409662
Oh, it gets even better: you see that one book that she used as a citation? It was written by one of the former editors of Spiked, and the whole article came out a couple of months after that book had gotten a bad review

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/mar/13/moral-crusades-frank-furedi-review

Anywho, Mary's pretty badly written, isn't she? I mean, even by Willis' standards...
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>>82406170
Joyce wharever his wife's maiden name was.

Must destroy all links to his brutal evil upbringing.
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>>82410015
Not Jocelyne?
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>>82406241
what about that bro who fucks every girl?
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>>82405199

>dat figure

Come on Willy, let's be honest with ourselves.
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>>82409713
Mary is the only well written character.

The problem is it is by accident, and we're supposed to hate her instead of sympathize with her.

>trying to study
>annoying tranny stomping through the halls on rollerskates
>ask her to stop
>nope
>glue her skates

>tyrannical RA gives you shit for standing up for yourself
>get dirt on her
>throw it in her face

>stand up for your beliefs no matter what people think, never back down
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>>82408416
that's the thing, you can actually broadly agree with SJW on issues and not be one or approve of them.
SJW is a set of tactics and identities, not any kind of coherent belief.
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>>82409713
>some guy in the comments section recommends Spiked's review of the instead
>somebody points out the conflict of interest
>Y-YEAH, WELL, IT'S BETTER THAN THIS HATCHET JOB!
My sides are on the far-right AND the far-left!
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>>82411456
Mary is also a classic bigot asshole though
Like you can support trannies right to use what bathroom they want while still hating how much of a shit human being they are, but that's too much for Willis
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>>82411456
Can a character be called well-written if the effect that the audience gets from her is the opposite that the author intends?
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>>82406279
To be fair, he said, "libertanian," not, "libertarian." Which I think refers to the fabled promised land of high seas pirates.
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>>82408211
You don't actually know what libertarian means, do you.
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>>82412051
Do gay white guys avoid stupid shit like those societies?
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>>82411864
That's just Willis trying to remove any kind of nuance or subtlety from his writing.
>Mary has a legitimate grievance? Better make her say something bigoted!
>Sal seems like an asshole? Better make Walky dumber/Amber angrier!
And so on and so forth...
>>82412056
A far-right movement that thinks it's centrist, that used to hate Communism but now just takes lazy shots at liberals e.g. acting like SJWs represent modern liberalism, and acting like they're the last bastion of free speech, even though the only opinions they'll defend are the ones they have.

Also, they hate any attempt to regulate big business, even though laissez-faire has been proven to be the main cause of every stock market crash since at least The Panic of 1873.
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>>82411456
Mary is not well written, she is a simplistic villain with no depth other then stereotypical religious beliefs. But she is actually likable in the fact she is a somewhat relatable villain being trapped in a world full of hatable protagonists being clearly written by a bigoted author with no self awareness.
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>>82412152
Most students in general avoid the stupid shit with societies, getting on with important things like getting smashed and not doing their essays, but there's always some. Generally speaking student politics is a cesspool filled with self-righteous, self-important idiots with half an eye to a junior position in the Labour party, and nobody in their right mind wants to get in on that, but if you leave them to it they just embarrass everybody.

My lot got the university in the news quite recently having sombreros, handed out by a local Mexican restaurant as part of a promotion, banned from campus for "cultural appropriation". I despair sometimes, I really do.
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>>82405320
>>82408353
She's pretending to be a lot of things.
1. Nice
2. Sober (she's going through severe alcohol withdrawal)
3. Not depressed to the point that she just stays in her room not giving a shit about her job.
4. Good at her job (relates to 3)

Mary used to not have that hair bang prong that all his characters have. I guess he got tired of that variety.
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>>82412393
Lefty Toons are usually a bit didactic for my taste, but in that example their wordiness works.
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>>82412202
>>82412393
You guys need to quit basing your entire opinions on strawman comics. Libertarianism as a political philosophy covers both sides of the political spectrum, in fact it used to be considered a hard-left position due to its overlap with several forms of anarchism. It'd be like saying that Democrats and Communists are the same because they're both liberal.
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>>82405026
Mary's response in the final panel really only makes sense if the redhead had said "That's what you think A charade is" rather than "THE charade".
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>>82411456
>>82411864
>>82411944
>>82412314

Reminds me of Rob from B^U. Written with the intention of being annoying as hell, but was the only likeable character and decent human being in the comic.
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>>82406126
Stuff like this happens because writers think their critics are so horrible and off base that they feel no needs to exaggerate their critiques. So they put them in stories word for word, but think they'll still come across as extreme and obviously wrong to others as it did to them. Because to people like Willis, that line itself is simply too unbelievable to take seriously.

"You're just doing it for brownie points" is a common accusation thrown around in internet shit fights. I know women MRA get slapped with it, accused of only wanting to ingratiate themselves to men. And men feminists get the exact same things thrown their way.

It's always seen as baseless shit flinging by the implicated party, and so it's a common "unbelievable" opinion to put in a strawman's mouth. They miss the fact that, in some situations, it's really hard to interpret someone's actions any other way.

This is pretty much always what leads to the strawmen characters in polemics gaining fans: writers get so wrapped up in their own perspectives, they don't realize that what they think of as extreme, absolutely obviously wrong opinions make perfect sense to a number of people. And these people aren't insane for holding those opinions. Mary's entire fanbase on /co/ is because of this: Willis putting some opinion in Mary's mouth that's supposed to be utterly terrible and turn the audience against her, but people totally agree with her anyway. Because what was supposed to be an example of a hateful person pushing stereotypes and bias against a minority's actions ends up reading as a reasonable person getting fed up with an asshole's bullshit. Mary is supposed to be going "too far" with all this, but a lot of people think her reactions are in fact entirely within her rights.
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>>82414910
It's not even that, I don't think, it's that since Mary is written to be an asshole Willis expects everything she does to be interpreted as a negative due to her being an asshole. He ignores the fact that most people make a complete distinction from a person's personality and behavior and their judgment of said person's behavior. It's why people here think that Mary is in the right, even if she's been an uppity cunt about it once, and think that Joyce's mom was wrong for somehow expecting Becky to take over the expenses for maintaining her father's house. Mary could have called Carla a degenerate shemale and still have been in the right while Joyce's mom could have been the most loving and supportive person ever and still been in the wrong.
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>>82415152
Yeah. Being a shitty person and being wrong aren't synonymous.
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I want my Ruthless back
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>>82415179
Reminder that anti-smoking laws were literally created by Nazis.
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>>82415291
Ruthless wouldn't be bad if we got some actual resolution to her being a violent drunk.
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>>82413434
Who was he?
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>>82406078
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>>82405026
Huh, apparently she's saying what people rightfully claim about Willis.
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>>82415291
Ruthless deserved to be fired for half the shit she pulled.
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>>82412314
>being clearly written by a bigoted author with no self awareness
Holy shit this. As a bisexual person I find myself rooting for Mary. Willis can go to Hell with his stereotypical sexual minorities characters. He's basically writing the awful stereotype of each (lesbians that either do it only for attention or are abusive butch dykes seducing previously straight girls, gay and bisexual men being limp-wristed, no spine pussies, black characters being criminals or sassy bitches and so forth), but presenting them as "good'.
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>>82419447
>Cum Deus lo Vult
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>>82419773
Sarah, while one of the worst characters in the strip, is hardly sassy.
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>>82419915
>Sarah
>Worst character

How do you live with such shit taste
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>>82408351
>Becky suddenly shows up and gives Ruth a literal merit badge

There's Becky!
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>>82419773
>As a bisexual person
um
ok
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>>82412051
It might just be my personal experiences, but lesbians seems to be more accepted in society than gay men are.

Lumping trans-ness in with sexualities is also stupid.
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>>82408351
>Trannies get outraged at cis white male David Willis giving himself a merit badge

I would kind of like to see this
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>>82414910
What's funny is "doing it for brownie points"* is a common attack on sjws by other sjws, and I think walky is getting close (not over it yet, but close) where the fags and trannies he panders to notice that he's a cis straight white male presuming to speak for them and engage in the usual practice of eating their own.

*their preferred nomenclature is "ally cookie" as in "oh look he met the minimum standards of human decency, somebody give him a cookie"
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>>82419773
I was thinking more for Willis depiction of christians as either sheltered pushovers or mega bitches, but I see your point about the portrayal of the other characters. It seems that Willis doesn't understand both the religious community or queer community, aka the two communities who are/where his target audience.
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>>82413463
Pretty much this. I believe there are libertarians outt here who aren't bigoted dickwads... in much the same way that Juvenal believed that black swans existed.
>>82414523
Aren't all the libertarians pinning their hopes on Trump, because he wants to remove kebab?
>>82419915
I assume Anon meant Sal
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>>82421289
That shits been around for awhile. It was a pretty common gripe in feminism a decade or so ago before SJW became the face of internet American liberalism. And a general joke about human nature long before that. Chris Rock did a bit about it too.
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>>82421377
Didn't Sullivan try to trademark "South Park republican"
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>>82419773
>As a bisexual person

Sorry faggot, there is no bisexual.

YOU EITHER SUCK DICK or YOU DO NOT SUCK DICK.
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>>82421377
Didn't Sullivan try to trademark "South Park republican"?
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>>82422581
Superior comedian coming through

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG1yxFbI0hA
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HE ACTUALLY DID IT
THE MADMAN
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>>82414910
>>82415152
I refuse to believe anyone is incompetent enough to accidentally write well.
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>>82422783
And yet Toe Dad already happened
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>>82422783
Incompetence manifests in different ways. There have been hundreds, if not thousands, of scientists and doctors through out history who have not only been able to expand the frontiers of our understanding of the world, but also been a pack of loonies who believed in baseless shit. Even in the modern world, there have been scientists who denied HIV was an actual thing, and yet made headway in treating cancer. To be terrible in one aspect doesn't equate to being terrible in another.

By all accounts, Willis used to be able to actually tell a good story without getting bogged down in all this shit. Yes, standard, crazy, early 2000's webcomic absurdism and seat of the pants writing for a gag SoL that turned into some crazy sci fi epic. But a solid story and characters people enjoyed. When it comes to peoples deeply held beliefs, things start to get fuzzy. It's perfectly natural, expected even, that Willis is capable of creating a solid form and widely missing the mark on function. He writes the line in the third panel because, as a writer, he understands how to craft a good line. But to him, it means something wildly different than it does to us. That it solidly fits two different, very different, perspectives on reality is more a reflection on how much context and point of view matters than on Willis accidentally getting something right. The line by itself carries no special weight towards either interpretation, but both points of view have a lot of baggage that shapes their readings of it.
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>>82423188
>third panel
Whoops, fourth panel.
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>>82405026
>>82412381
Surprising. There aren't any gums showing in these comics.

I wonder if it has anything to do with Plebcomics taking a huge shit all over his comics and "style".
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>>82422598
Yeah I think that was him. A bunch of 2000s liberals complained but I don't think they realized that Trey & Matt were pretty much Goldwater Republicans.
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>>82423471
Are there examples of the gums being really bad in older comics? I don't remember them at all.
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>>82423471
>>82423963
This strip >>82412381 is fairly old. I don't think he did the gum thing back then. Also, I think his art was a little bit nicer before? Something about it is cuter. I can't really explain why I think so.
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>>82424175
The heads are bigger, The lines are thicker, and the characters are more exagerated making them look more cartoony.
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>>82409145

This seems familiar.
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>>82424836
Given that one has a patreon logo, I'm going to guess that one was building off of the other.

I think I've seen a counterpoint to the feminism one too.
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>>82405026
I wonder how many threads would be derailed into bitching about Willis's hypocrisy if people used panel 4 as a reaction image regarding left-aimed clickbait?
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>>82423471
Source for the Plebcomics thing?
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>>82424836
>that obvious as fuck Christina Hoff Sommers pastiche
This is in rather poor taste
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>>82425458
To be fair, she is as awful as they say she is. :^)
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>>82408115

He totally will, though. Ruth will go on a whole tirade about how "It's just the right thing to do/basic human decency/whatever" even though it's already been established that Ruth doesn't give two shits about right and wrong given that she's fucking someone on her own floor and refuses to take responsibility for doing so.
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>>82424836
I just looked that dumbfuck up and he literally made a comic about how he is a self-proclaimed neckbeard and how neckbeard shouldn't be an insult because it is "gendered" and "promotes bodily normalities."

These people expect me to take them seriously.
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>>82426373

The dude's literally a /pol/ caricature: overweight, poorly groomed hyper-leftist jew with a massive nose. It's fucking surreal.
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>>82426373
>neckbeard shouldn't be an insult because it is "gendered" and "promotes bodily normalities."
Funny, that's precisely why I think it should be an insult.
But then I'm not a feminist, I'm a misandrist. And a self-loathing neckbeard.
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>>82425254
only because I like em so much
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>>82427833
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>>82427845
http://plebcomics.tumblr.com/tagged/comics
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>>82413278
>Democrats and Communists are the same

They are
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This took a turn for the stupid.
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>>82431486
>The state frowns upon murder, sir.
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>>82431558
Mary said a very loose anti-trans statement. That is on par with rape, which is worse than murder.
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>>82431558
>DAMN THEIR OILY HIDES!
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>>82431558
>Willis said there'd be no death in this comic because with the decompressed timeline the comic would have to spend the next year in mourning
>nobody would mourn Mary's death
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>>82431486
>I can still do as I please.
OH NO! SHE CAN STILL DO AS SHE PLEASES! Which seems to include drinking a soda? Won't somebody stop her before she refills it!?
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>>82431668
That madwoman.
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>>82431486
Willis still hasn't explained how Mary totally definitely knew Carla was trans, and intentionally made a trans slur instead of telling carla that because she's acting like a boy, she'll take her to the boy's dorm where she belongs.
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>>82428743
>middle class, educated, with seemingly every advantage, but who still feels aimless and dissatisfied
Oh look it's feminism in a nutshell
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>>82431486
Oh boy I can't wait for whatever bullshit Carla will do
I'm sure it will be punishment to fit the crime
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>>82411864
If I had a penny for every gender I'd have 2 pennies.
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>>82431486
I love how Willis is writing Mary like a bond Villain because any amount of nuance would make you hate her less.
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>>82431486
So I'm confused. Is Ruth trying to act sober to get back with Billie? Why did Ruth break up with her if Mary's evidence was gone? What was Ruth stopping Mary from doing before that now makes this a holding pattern? Didn't Mary just want to study and Carla was the one who was breaking school policy by skating in the hall? What possible contraption could Carla make to get back at Mary with that wouldn't look like extreme overkill and realistically lead to possible expulsion for what should have been a minor altercation? What can Ruth even say to Superiors about Mary? If Brother Dean can preach on campus with no consequences from administration I don't know what Ruth thinks her boss can do about Mary one time saying something. What operation is Mary talking about? Is it against the rules for RA's to drink? It wasn't at my college. What other operation could she be talking about if there is no connection between Ruth and Billie anymore. Am I dumb or is it this comic?
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>>82431486
There's this thing in storytelling, comics specifically. It's an element of foreshadowing, or really, connecting the dots. I think Scott McCloud covers it in his book, but basically, if it shows someone holding a gun at someone else, and then cuts away with a bang sound effect, then between the panels, the author hasn't killed that character. The reader does, by making the connection of the bang and the previous context. The author doesn't HAVE to show them die, because we get it immediately.

By having Mary's last line be "You're not the hero." and immediately cutting to Carla, it's indirectly insinuating that she's the hero. The worst thing Mary has actually done is a slur, which may be against a zero-tolerance policy, but this is active harassment and escalation on Carla's part. In other words, Carla is no longer transitioning, she has completely become an entire cunt.
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>>82433342
Cerebus would disagree with you.
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>>82433415
Of course they would, they're a self-perpetuated victim and actual lunatic.
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>>82406288
>Willis's children grow up and eventually rebel against him by becoming responsible, ambitious, productive members of society.
>They further this rebellion and contrarian attitude by attempting to maintain a healthy relationship with their parents, despite their father's disposition.

Please let this be a thing.
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>>82433342
>Carla is no longer transitioning, she has completely become an entire cunt
Too bad he'll never one for himself
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I honestly hope that this ends in Mary's death or otherwise permanent disfigurement, given Willis' No Death policy for DoA.

Why would I wish this on the only decent character in the comic?
Because it would put Willis in a corner in which his characters are reprehensible and unforgivable monsters who continue their daily lives as if nothing bad had ever happened to a person that they knew; worse yet if said characters were directly involved in whatever happens.
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>>82433596
>impying these nutcases would do anything but praise willis for killing/mutilating someone
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It'd help if he'd actually show what Mary is doing to take advantage of the situation like she's implying. All she ever wanted was to study in peace without a retarded tranny harassing her and everyone in the dorm. Presumably, she has that now? Has she been trying to throw massive parties all year but mean Ruth kept stopping her? Mary "winning" is merely Ruth doing her job and Mary getting nothing but a proper shot at an education.
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>>82433646
A fair point.
But the seed is sure to be planted in their mind that the DoA cast are all complacent in this act of violence. Sort of like the beginning of a horror movie where a bunch of teens run over a guy and then make a blood pact not to talk about it, even after the guy comes back to life and starts killing them all.

>>82433685
That's probably the most egregious thing about it. Mary is being treated like Literally Hitler, but the worst thing she did was magically out a transsexual who had, prior to that moment, never let on in any capacity about their genetic makeup. Hell, objectively, the worst that she did was get glue on Carla's skates.

These threads always remind me that DoA has elements worth salvaging, if only somebody could distract Willis long enough that somebody else could wipe the website clean and begin again from the ground up.
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>>82433685
She did try to get that bible study going with Ruth which had minimal turn out and fell apart immediately because "who gives a fuck" writing ended that conflict with no pay off. Now it should just be Ruth dealing with her own issues and Mary being by herself studying as the blackmail is gone and Ruth is to busy to pursue revenge.
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Doubt it will ever happen, but:
I'd like to see a Bisexual, Lesbian, or Gay character introduced who also happens to have very conservative, traditionalist views in general.
Maybe they're Christian and strive to be virtuous, maybe they're gay but are vocally against SJW shenanigans, maybe they'd be like Mary and call other characters out on their two faced actions.

I dunno, just some character where you can't just go ahead and write them off as "wrong" the second they voice a dissenting opinion.
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>>82433646
>Mary is horrifically injured by Ruth and Carla's revenge scheme
>every so often we are shown Mary's attempts at recovery
>as the strips progress it becomes clearer and clearer that Mary was permanently disabled by their revenge and will never return to anything approaching normal
>eventually strips featuring Mary will be nothing but four panels of her weeping softly surrounded by pictures of her former life
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>>82433823
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Was there even a resolution to the whole Carla thing? Or is that what this mad scientist Carla revenge panel is leading to? Did he ever show Ruth telling Carla to tone it down or anything? If Mary is seemingly content, I can only assume Carla has not continued to be a cunt, and if Ruth is seemingly being forced to do her job, I can only assume that she is somehow preventing Carla from being obnoxious any further for the time being (though that seems to be because Carla is busy planning to be super obnoxious very soon), but as I've said, I can only assume all of it because Willis won't show it.

Instead of showing any of it, he keeps skipping around to all the other characters' wacky adventures while the ones not shown continue off panel.
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>>82433815
>I dunno, just some character where you can't just go ahead and write them off as "wrong" the second they voice a dissenting opinion.

Sure you can, it's called internalized bigotry.

>>82433730
>These threads always remind me that DoA has elements worth salvaging, if only somebody could distract Willis long enough that somebody else could wipe the website clean and begin again from the ground up.

Out of all things, DoA makes me want to write fanfic the most because it's very clear there is a foundation for a good drama/soap opera.
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>>82433904
I hope Mary will merely be psychologically scarred and become a creepy goth girl.
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>>82433963
>a creepy goth girl.
Ostro or Visi?
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>>82433963
Goths 4 Jesus would be interesting. Kinda weird to balance the darkness that consumes the world angle with the bright and glorious afterlife promise
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>>82433930
>Did he ever show Ruth telling Carla to tone it down or anything?
Nope! She was right to be an asshole! Because everyone else is one (despite the fact that they're not at all).
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>>82434138
Christian goths were a thing. I say "were" because goth in general is dying out.
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>>82434138
Obviously her faith would have to be broken before she lets the darkness consume her. I mean, for the best revenge against her, you have to destroy the one thing she loves; her religion.
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>>82431486
This is pandering to his commenters.
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>>82431486
Also, who gets busted for language in a dorm?

Just confirmed with my wife who graduated from the very school this takes place in that it's not a thing.
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>>82434298
I bet Willis whacks off to the idea of this every night while he's in the cuckshed.
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>>82411829

I believe the word you're looking for is just SJ. Social Justice itself is not evil, but the "warrior" part is ehat ruins things for people. Especially since the "warrior" part is a reference to "keyboard warrior".
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>>82434336
>implying he isn't in permanent chastity
>implying his children weren't conceived using a turkey baster, test tube, and cattle prod
>implying his wife even allows him the dignity of a cuckshed
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>>82408437

Social Justice, minus the warrior part. Unsurprisingly, the biggest enemies of Social Justice happen to be their biggest proponents.
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>>82428743
I love Wondermark
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>>82424836
mr Buzzword reporting in
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>>82431486
Nice IED you're working on there, Carla.
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>>82434440
That's a bit of an oversimplification of the history of fairy tales. Disney toned down the violence, but stuck close to the spirit of them as morality tales.
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>>82435122

Mr. Buzzfeed, more like
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>>82431486
Figure B reminds me how dumb uses of trampolines result in broken legs. I can hear the rubbery jiggle of feet hanging off bone.
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>>82411456
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>>82431486
>willis thinks carla is the hero
>everyone in his comments section is rooting for her
>they can't wait for her elaborate supervillain plan
>they pray for her to succeed in inflicting horrible violence on another person
this is perfect
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>character is a reasonable portrayal of values opposite those of the author
>some of the people reading the comic sympathize with the character
>the character magically turns into a villainous caricature of him or herself

I love it when this happens
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>>82436410
>the character magically turns into a villainous caricature of him or herself
but she isn't a villain
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>>82436551
you don't have to be a villain to be villainous
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>>82436576
She is to Willis
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>>82436561
she's not villainous either
she's heroically standing up to a violent drunk
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>>82436591
sure
he's just wrong
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>>82436596
We can see that, but Willis doesn't.
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>>82424836

>Everydayfeminism

That website is seriously unbelievable

Every article reads like a parody.
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>>82431959
>Willis still hasn't explained how Mary totally definitely knew Carla was trans

Sometimes you can tell by looking.
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>>82433415

Cerebus can lick my ass.
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>>82436354

I got in a "discussion" with some fans that maybe, just maybe, verbal "slurs" aren't equatable with actual violence, and that maybe a key component of stamping out bigotry should be waving off "slurs" or treating them as ignorant bile by ignorant people, i.e. beneath notice. In summation, I was told that I was wrong, that it was the most "horrible thing you can do to a trans person", that treating it as frivolous is the same as "driving on the sidewalk and expecting people you've hit to walk it off", etc.

And this kind of shit is what I'm afraid of. It's a fucking slippery slope wherein nutcase SJWs will see "bigotry = actual violence", and therefore justify violence as legitimate eye-for-eye "justice".
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>>82437560

>SEXUAL HARASSMENT! YOU HEARD HIM, THE FUCKING CIS-SCUM MAN!
>He wants me to lick his ass!
>Do you know what kind of DISTRESS this puts on me?!
>I'm literally balled up in a corner crying.
>This is literally the WORST feeling anybody could inflict on anybody else!
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>>82433775
It wasn't even a Bible study - she just wanted Ruth to say a prayer at the meeting that was meant to help everyone in the dorm deal with the whole "armed gunman" thing that happened a few days ago.
>>82434167
Christ, that whole strip was so stupid
>I don't have to be nice to people, because I'm trans!
>Also, I'll guilt trip you, even though nothing bad has ever happened to me before now
>>82434332
I'd imagine that it'd be a slap on the wrist i.e. you'd probably have to be sent to somebody above the R.A., who'd tell you to maybe not use phrases like that
>>82435739
I appreciate the allure of MaryxCarla, but there's something about MaryxBillie that I like. I suppose the fact that I'm not into futa probably has something to do with it.
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>>82431486


MAKE MORE EDITS
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Usually the MSPaintretard challenge is to make the characters sound more human, but because Mary is already best character, the challenge was to make her sound more "symbolic", like a comic book character

be gentle /co/
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>>82425687

No, she's worse.
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>>82438412
That's literally already happening though.

Some girl got a bottle of piss dumped on her because she was saying some shit about genders and rape culture that didn't align with the SJW hivemind in public. People were treating that as a legit totally not insane response to an opinion they didn't like, because apparently words = assault, so assault in retaliation is perfectly a-ok and even JUSTICE to them.
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>>82438412
This argument actually makes me mad.
Ok, I get that being misgendered as trans person can have incredibly negative conotations. Trans people tend to not be all there mentally in the first place (it comes with the territory) and someone calling you out on it might be harmful mentally or cause you some grief or fear of violence or something. Gotcha.

Violence is an actual physical assult. Words have a meaning. Don't just...change the definition of a word to make how it makes you feel seem more poignant. The difference is, violence is universal. Words are situational. If someone called me a faggot, I wouldn't give a shit. If someone broke my knees, me, and basically every person with working knees would feel the same pain.
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>>82439095
The Steven Universe fandom on Tumblr drove an artist to a suicide attempt last year with regular bullying, and some dipshit defended it by saying that the artist's problematic art made them feel unsafe, and therefore it's a-okay to drive them to suicide. If you've ever seen the art, it's really fucking ludicrous that anybody would be that offended by it. It's run of the mill stuff like 'drew Rose Quartz too thin' and 'made a humanized Garnet look white'.
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>>82439312
The scary thing about tumblr is the fact that anyone who believes that they're in the right and that it legitimizes their awful actions. Like that's the same mentality of evangelical christians and serial killers. "Oh they deserved it, so it's fine to be horrible to them". Fuck that mentality. You can't preach peace and love and act like you give a shit about people's mental state and then bully people who don't agree with you to such an extent that they try to take their own life or fall into a depression. And I've seen it happen to multiple people.
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>>82418941
Rob was basically the CoD babby who worked in the game store with Ethan. He was in the strip to mock the obnoxious shooter fan, but he was so friendly and happy to talk about games with friends that he was immediately more sympathetic than every other character except maybe Lucas, who realized he's surrounded by shitty people and that there's no escape
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>>82439487
They care about the 'right' sort of people -- again, like evangelical Christians or any garden-variety bigot. Everyone else can go fuck themselves.
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>>82411864
>Mary is also a classic bigot asshole though
she only even gave shit to Carla because she was giving shit to her. Why is that wrong?
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>>82438812
Also, make even more edits!
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>>82438812
>Because that's what heroes do: make peace and drink soda.
Inspirational as fuck.
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>>82431486
Too bad Carla just horrifically burned his right hand, by holding that work piece while welding it (with a somehow curved electrode). He's not even welding anything together! He's just burning an electrode on the end of a piece of metal.
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>>82440733
>>82441080
I learn so much from these threads... it's beautiful.
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>>82440439
Having Mary do a kind of clever gender-based insult that you could misinterpret lowers the impact. It's still bad, but added to the fact that Carla's trans status has been talked around in the comic made a lot of people miss what was going on, and then have to react to the charged explanation given in ancillary stuff and reactions.

Part of it is he's trying to be 'subtle' (don't show, don't tell), but another part is that he's scared to offend his audience. He even closed comments on the "boys' dorm" strip to avoid any drama. It would've been so much better if there was an earlier or intermediate strip where you introduce Mary finding out that Carla was trans, or how she feels about it. Maybe establish some real antagonism, cause since that one moment she hasn't continued to antagonize Carla, in fact it's been just the opposite.

The whole thing ends up seeming like Mary was stressed about a test and reacted as such to someone making too much noise for her to study in peace. Especially, since she hasn't really done anything to Carla since then. Also, having her blackmail be "you're shitty at your job" to a bad RA who deserves it is not going to make her look terrible, even if the language she uses is fucked up. At the very least, if Mary is now in blackmailing crusade mode, you'd think you could show her trying to get to Carla more, or even just have Carla say 'Mary's been on my ass since that day' or something. Instead Willis has her giving 'villain speeches' while doing nothing out of the ordinary.
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>>82431486
The really stupid thing about this is that RA girl has nothing to fear.

It's not generally illegal or even all that frowned upon for an RA to date a student. They're not in control of their grades, they're not really in a real position of power over them, and they're usually in the same age-range.

The whole situation could never work in the real world. There'd be no reason for RA girl to not report everything Mary does or says. I guess Mary could claim she's a drunk, but it's her word against the RA's at that point, and the rest of the dorm clearly isn't going to be backing her up.
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>>82441631
>Mary's been on my ass since that day
I would read that fanfic.
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>>82422356
>Chris Rock did a bit about it too.
Link please
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Every-time he tries to vilify Mary she ends up being the most sensible character.
and cutest
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>>82441631
Yeah, if the Willis I remember tackled this story arc today, he'd at least show Mary trying to flex her blackmailing muscles and exert more influence over the dorm. Maybe have some sudents complain only for Ruth to catch sight of Mary smirking in the background and brush their complaints aside with a feeble excuse.
>>82441658
Really? I was under the impression that an R.A. having a relationship with a student crossed at least one line
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>>82441658
It's against Indiana U's regulations, but the point is valid.

What is funny about the whole situation is that there's no real reason why Ruth is clinging so hard to this RA job. She hates doing it, she's not fit for work for *many* reasons, and regardless of Willis's throwaway excuse of Ruth being 'the only decent candidate', I bet that whoever replaces her would at least be sober.

It all speaks of obsession with the position over sense, and Ruth probably needs to see a shrink. Except that, you know, Willis prefers to have his mentally ill characters run around in superhero costumes rather than doing the sensible thing and getting help.
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>>82441986
Okay, so we have...

>Ethan, who put himself BACK in the closet, because reasons
>Joyce, who was almost raped AND shot on two non-consecutive occasions, being told to hold her anger in check so that Becky, the most overtly blasé and "I don't give a fuck" of Willis' characters, doesn't have any negative repercussions
>Amber, who was traumatised by being involved in a violent robbery and immediately mocked by her own father for not doing anything AND stabbed the would-be robber in the hand immediately afterwards, creating another persona that almost got her killed in The Car Chase That Physics Forgot, and is pushing aside everyone who cares about her because she hasn't discussed the aforementioned robbery with anyone
>Ruth, who is a violent, drunken bully that holds onto a job she hates for no reason other than it gives her power, and basically dragged another student she victimised for no damn reason into a suicide pact... with sexy results!
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>>82442180
>Joyce, who was almost raped AND shot on two non-consecutive occasions
Don't forget that they took place in the same fortnight, because Willis cannot into pacing!
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>>82409148

why the fuck did this comment get deleted?

why?

it's literally someone pointing out earlier plot details from the comic.

jesus fucking christ, mods
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>>82420897

we do exist, you know
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>>82433904

I still don't get why Sierra was the straw that broke the camel's back, here. Mary wouldn't have even bothered with finding out about Dorothy's atheism if she hadn't first freaked out that oh my god oh dear lord this broad ain't wearing any SHOES!
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>>82427845
For a pleb, she has a surprisingly patrician sense of humor

Unrelatedly, someone call NASA, they can see my sides with the Hubble Telescope
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>>82442180
You missed Danny needing therapy so he can cope with his newfound bisexuality, Walky needing tutoring help and Sarah being a friendless hermit who can't make positive relationships

It really does piss me off that Willis more or less ignores how fundamentally broken and in need of help his characters are.

I mean, I'm not against characters being self destructive. Mountain Goat's Alpha Couple does it right and it's beautiful. But the Alpha Couple sticks to its guns about how terrible they are, while Willis wants to have his tragic characters and his quirky college students at the same time.
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>>82441631
They're not even villain speeches, they're mostly just smug chiding.

>>82441658
Depends on the university, I know mine didn't allow RA's to date people they were in charge of. They also didn't allow booze in the dorms, violence against students, and underage drinking either.

>>82441684
http://pastebin.com/Npa9rVY8
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>>82441658
>The really stupid thing about this is that RA girl has nothing to fear.

Except that she's a blatant alcoholic on a dry campus who has provided liquor to an underage student.
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>>82442647
This is my favorite so far, good job
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>>82443729
If I had to guess why Willis doesn't write any good college characters who are in control of their life, it's because he doesn't know what that looks like.

Mike was the closest thing, but he doesn't show up anymore.
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Why is Willis defending his comment sections misogyny?

http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/143797749267/fifthfiend-here-are-some-dumbing-of-age
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>>82443729

>needing therapy

Wait, when did they establish that?
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>>82446604
Eh, I sort of speculated on that. At the very least, he does seem pretty insecure about his attraction to guys
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>>82446955
He should at least look into maybe some on-campus counselling or support groups.
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>>82446955

Yeah, that's one of the plot threads I'd like to see resolved. I predict now that he's single he's going to act on his feelings for Ethan, which is great. I'll be delighted if Willis ever dares to go full homo instead of focusing on chicks.

>>82447194

Has he gone back to the LGBTBBBQ awareness meetings?
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>>82446235
>>82446318
>Deleting your comment to make a more clickbaity line.
Really? Willis is dumb, but that's pretty stupid too.
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>>82447605
Well... shit.
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>>82444549
>http://pastebin.com/Npa9rVY8
Excellent.
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>>82431668
she must be stopped
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>>82442509
lol what the hell is this image? did she get into a fight with aaron diaz too?
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>>82449672
Of course she did. Aaron Diaz is a loudmouthed SJW cartoonist too, and pleb's purpose in comics in mocking those.
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>>82438412
Sometimes people get so obsessed over micro-aggressions they lose sight or ignore when a macro-aggression occurs.

I don't know, it just seems like there's some circles who think two wrongs do indeed make a right.
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>>82439095
>Don't just...change the definition of a word to make how it makes you feel seem more poignant.
Unfortunately leftists have already been doing this. Racism has been reinterpreted to require institutional power even though the term institutional racism/oppression already encompasses that concept just fine.
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>>82405026
This is not a charade, it's a enigma
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I thought I'd finally get in on this edit dealio.
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>>82454142

Mary called Ruth Mary?
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hey guys I actually spotted the cartoon while browsing and I have to ask you guys.

This art is VERY familiar and I used to read a webcomic that looked a lot like this. I don't know the name and I know I read it 4-5 years ago maybe. I dont really recognize any of the characters here, but the style is very similar.

Anyone willing to spoonfeed? Artist name? Do they do any other comics? Names I could google?
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>>82456679
you're probably thinking either Blaster Nation or Shortpacked. Shortpacked is Willis, who writes this, BN is not.
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This makes me wanna make my own college slice of life comic. Just feels approachable.
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>>82456865
>Blaster Nation
Oh man, I remember reading that ages ago. Is is still good? It was never great but always good enough for me.

>>82456923
I want to see a college SoL comic set in some third world country where student activists actually fight for freedom like the Latin American students under their dictatorships.
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>>82446318
So is Willis basically saying that the comments section is essentially free-reign now?

I wonder how quickly it can descend into a cavalcade of triggers.
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>>82446318
Wait, we're not allowed to want the irredeemably evil villain dead if she's a woman because that makes it problematic?

Well fuck me Tumblr, right when I think I've sussed out your moral code you move the goalposts yet again.
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>>82441080
I think Its supposed to be a Oxyacetylene torch, but really weird looking and without any filler metal in use. But I doubt he has ever seen someone weld.
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>>82457900
Nah man that's definitely an arc welder. Even though it's the wrong color in addition to the stuff the other guy said.
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>>82457900
>>82458170

Even if it were Oxyacetylene, the flame wouldn't be bending or be that color, and Carla wouldn't be wearing a welding helmet since the lens would be too dark of a shade level.

You'd use a lens with a shade level of 10-12, and for oxyacetylene, you'd use like, a 3.

Yeah basically, Willis doesn't know shit about welding. I wouldn't expect him to become an expert for one frame, but come on. He got just about everything wrong.
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>>82434167

I really feel like this would have worked a lot better if Carla had been annoyed with Ruth's attitude in a different way.

>"I should've stood up to her for your sake, but...you have to understand..."
>"Hoooooold up there, buddy. I just got through saying I can be an ass and I'm not apologetic about it. This isn't the first time someone's given me shit, about that or being trans, and I sure as HELL don't need you charging in to try and speak for me (badly) when I do. I can take care of myself."

I'd be fairly pissed if someone shoved themselves into a situation I could have handled to try and fight my battles for me, especially if they fucked it up like Ruth did.
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>>82438412

And you know what's funny? What you said describes why terrorists do what they do and why SJWs seem to be sympathetic towards them when they kill non-Muslims who tell them off.
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>>82444549
>http://pastebin.com/Npa9rVY8
Nice.
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>a subtle acknowledgment of our webcomic's new showrunner

Anybody else kind of pissed that Willis can't stay focused on his stupid Mary revenge plot for 5 minutes?
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>>82460484
don't worry, we'll be disappointed with it eventually
for now just enjoy good triumphing over evil for one brief moment
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>>82460484
He can't focus on any of his plots for more than a week at a time, really.

With his buffer, he could easily release two comics a day.
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Sup faggots.
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>>82460584
This is going to end in Mary's dismemberment, isn't it.
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>>82460584
I should've pointed this out when I posted the picture, but does anybody else see what Willis did with Roz there?

Somebody is doing something right outside the door, and instead of investigating Roz just ignores it and focuses on her book. He's trying to make Mary out to have been irrational during the whole hallway incident, and he thinks he's being subtle about it.
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>>82460640
Jesus, you're right. As if taking the fucking approach at communicating to try and stop a disturbance is a bad thing.
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>>82460484
>new showrunner
wat

>>82460752
Mary is canonically pure evil and everything she does is automatically wrong.
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>>82460752
Blahblahblahglueonthecarpetblahblahblah.

I'm honestly interested in seeing how this plays out, because he can't have another fucking car chase without it seeming silly.
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>>82460584
Also, I just checked, and she's whistling the Overture of 1812. You know, the one with the cannons?
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so carlas revenge is probably going to backfire or shes gonna be made out as going too far, whatever you think about willis theres too much buildup for it to go well. "the heros sticking it to the villains and then laughing" isnt how he write this story, its gotta be horrible drama until the end.

also someone post the bonus strip
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>>82460484
>>82460584
Seeing these together makes me realize that Mary's room has only been shown as a kind of dark dank hole.
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>>82460791
Mary's a two-ton bitch in a 95lb body, but the problem is Willis refuses to show Carla as anything other than quirky and fun.

Guarantee you that he'll eventually have the entire floor making quirky little comments about Mary's religion or some shit by the end of this, and Carla's big revenge plan will turn out to be something completely retarded like her gluing Mary's feet to the floor or something, with Mary complaining about it and then Carla going "Yeah, sucks doesn't it?" and we're supposed to be like "oooooh, she's referencing what Mary did! SO WITTY!"

Also on a side not, everybody realizes Carla's the most privileged fucking character in this comic right? She's loaded, parents paid for her own room, passes(?) as female, is able bodied, loved by her parents, and worst of all she's WHITE. But bloobloo, she's trans.
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>>82460792
>>82460791
Well, the glue thing is escalation but this frames it as though intervening at all when someone is being disturbing is wrong. From the getgo Mary WAS in the right. Even after everything, she's still less disruptive than Carla was.
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>>82460863
Well it's Roz's room too so that matches her vagina.
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>>82459500
Thanks, I try my best.
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So I'm looking over the preview panels, and here's what we're in for.

Looks like a flashback to Amazi-Bitch beating up her dad...
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>>82461040
...Amazi-Bitch bitching out of a bitchfest with that other bitch...
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>>82461051
...Joyce, Beckyâ„¢, and The Good Son actually going to break into Beckyâ„¢'s house...
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>>82461062
...some wacky bullshit with Carla...
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>>82461040
>Amazi-Bitch beating up her dad
Pretty sure that's some other dude.
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>>82461076
...an actual change in date, as evidenced by the change in clothes...
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>>82461076
...Willis bitching about his old church...

...actually, I'm gonna have to remember to come back here after I'm done dumping the other preview panels...

>>82461089
I assumed it was a flashback.
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>>82461119
...some bullshit with Carla and Sal The Blacker Twin...
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>>82461134
...some gay megachurch bullshit...
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>>82461148
...some gay college bullshit...
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>>82461160
...some gay lesbian bullshit...
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>>82460874
>passes(?) as female

Until the Mary incident, there was zero indication that anyone knew Carla was trans and Carla's past dialogue indicates that the university doesn't know.
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>>82461171
...and whatever this gay-ass bullshit is going to be. I assume it's Carla bitching at Mary or some bullshit.

Fuck, it's all bullshit, man.
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>>82461177
>Carla's past dialogue indicates that the university doesn't know
cant think of what youre referring to. it is 100% guaranteed that the university knows.
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Fuck me, I didn't think it would actually work.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you two strips of DoA we aren't supposed to see.

June 16, 2016...
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>>82461281
...and June 18, 2016.
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>>82461177
Actually unless you followed his twitter or tumblr you wouldn't have known at all until Carla outright stated that in the comic.

There were plenty of people in the comments section wondering why Carla was so freaked out by Mary's "Where you belong" comment, and a lot of them got deleted because Willis didn't like the idea that Carla being trans wasn't cut and dry.

I know at least one fucker tried to explain how some people might have viewed Mary's comment as her just calling Carla a tomboy, but then that comment deleted as well.

Willis is dead set on there being no confusion here that he actually shuts down the comments section to stop people from making theories. I shit you not he did this for when Carla said she was trans.
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>>82461281
>>82461292
shit, good job
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>>82461281
>>82461292
Holy shit what black magic is this?
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>>82411456
>>82411864
>>82412202
>>82412314
Look, the fact is, /co/ doesn't side with Mary because she's any less horrible than anyone else, she's a bigot, a blackmailer and a fucking hypocrite in regards to her own religious doctrine.

We do it because she loses.

/co/ will always cheer for the loser and ignore what an absolute cunt they are, overlook every mean thing they do, because they get thwarted, they lose in the end. Happened with Tom and Jerry, happened with Cat from Catdog, it's happening with Mary.
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>>82461281
>>82461292
Guys I think David Willis is actually here. I mean, this is fucking one whole month ahead of what we usually find. This is beyond Patreon.
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>>82460584

Does Carla really think this is going to put him on some sort of moral high ground?

Even if all that whatever he's building does is something innocuous like dump paint on Mary or pants her. it's only going to make Carla look like a petty piece of shit and that Mary was right for calling him out for being one.
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>>82461319
Thanks. Like I said, I didn't think it would work.

>>82461347
See >>82461119? If you squint, you can see the filenames for the comics themselves.
Seeing how Willis buffers his comics for months ahead of time, all I had to do was plug it into the proper URL and they came right up. Ultimately, you could do the same for any comic if you know the proper "password" that follows the date in the filename.
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>>82461350
Jerry's a fucking asshole vermin though.
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>>82461397
Sweet fuck, did you literally just now try this out?

Why the fuck did nobody else thing to do this?!
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>>82460874

HE's trans.

Carla's still a guy
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>>82461437
Probably because none of us bother to check Willis' Tumblr. I just did it on a whim to see how much longer we'd be dealing with Carla's bullshit.

Ultimately, the reason nobody tries to crack through and find other uploaded strips is because of how outside of bypassing DoA.com's 403 Forbidden error screens to access the actual index of comics uploaded to the server, you'd likely need to brute-force a unique passcode for every possible strip in the future. The former would probably be easier, or at least faster.
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>>82461464
Okay buddy we get it you don't like futa.
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>>82448526
In all fairness he's actually facing charges because when the manager tried to get him to do it and followed him outside he tried to run the manager over in his car.
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>>82461493
Well thanks for the effort nonetheless anon. Course now we have to wait a whole fuckin' month to see Joyce's new big fat tits.
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>>82461299
He likes to think it's people's fault when they interpret stuff not the way he intended, instead of his vague often unclear writing.

I remember there's that one strip where Becky sees Joyce changing in the window reflection, and she says something about showering. There were some comments about her going to the shower to masturbate (or cold shower) and he was like "Ugh, my stupid readers are so shitty they assume Becky is doing the worst possible thing!!!" (Basically the last panel of that plebcomic.) The correct response is, "Oh, no! I wrote the bad comic."

Also, the idea that diverting to take care of your sexual urges so you don't feel tempted to act on them (with someone who explicitly isn't interested) is not actually terrible.
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>>82461228
Where she says she can't join roller derby. If she was out as trans it'd be a very clear Title IX issue.
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>>82461506

Futa, shmuta. Im just calling Calling a sexually confused male exactly what he is
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>>82461592
>mfw anon just likes dudes
Face it bro, she's a futa and you're in denial.
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>>82461554
No problem.
This at least proves that the uploaded comics are accessible despite not being truly live, meaning that they CAN be seen if you know how to get to them.
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>>82461188
Based on the upper lip, hope it's because Mary stole Carla's hormone stuff.
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>>82461628
True, and maybe Willis finds out about this and has a massive freak out over it. Win/Win.
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>>82461292
>>82461281
why do you guys read this? and why can't the author improve his fucking art?
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>>82461671
A freak out, maybe. I dunno if he'd actually do anything about it, at least not without having to fuck with whatever the automated process of making strips go live is.

>>82461692
We read it out of habit, out of Trainwreck Syndrome, and out of sympathy for the devil.
The author can't improve his art because he's hit a comfort zone.
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>Leaked two stripes before release
Everyone here is just mega-fans of this comic, huh?
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>>82461350
But Dog is usually a thoughtless asshole while Cat will always eventually see the error of his ways. Cat can basically never catch a break. Also, while Mary is bad, she isn't worse than almost everyone else in this comic.
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>>82461394
>him
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>>82461740
Nah, I just saw an opportunity and I took it.
Though if other strips can be found somehow, I'll be sure to leak them all too.
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>>82461823
The problem is that at the end of it she is just like the rest of cast. But yet she is treated as the villain.
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>>82461394
According to Willis and the faggots on his site, Carla is already on the moral high ground despite her actions.
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>>82461281
Is it wrong to want Carla to be called out on his transgenderism? Like outed in front of most of the female dorm?
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>>82461901
How?
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>>82461574
thats got nothing to do with the university
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>>82438412
>I got in a "discussion" with some fans that maybe, just maybe, verbal "slurs" aren't equatable with actual violence, and that maybe a key component of stamping out bigotry should be waving off "slurs" or treating them as ignorant bile by ignorant people, i.e. beneath notice.
Yeah, I remember there was a period where I was a hardcore leftist/socialist and I would get mad at shit like that but I wound up backing off when I realized I was convincing myself to adopt a position I didn't actually believe.

In reality, due to language being maleable, I've always held the belief that words have as much power as you give them. If you don't react or freak out if someone uses nigger, faggot, tranny or whatever then at some point (years, maybe over a period of a few decades) the words will cease to have the same value that they do. They're insults and if you're not insulted then what power do they have? By taking the constant outrage tack or using "the n-word" you're continuing to empower those words and the people who'd use them.

That's something that I think the anonymous nature of 4chan actually deals well with. Because of its nature, nobody (in theory) knows who you are. So calling someone a faggot or a nigger holds no power as a true slur and thus all of those connotations are basically tossed away.
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>>82461350
>
but so far mary is winning
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>>82461493
Is there anyone willing to take a shot at bypassing the 403 screens? I'd love to see how Willis would react to several weeks of strips being leaked.

>>82461292
Becky looks better in the dress.
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>>82461281
>readers are supposed to like this character

why and how? All I see is an insufferable, obnoxious dickhead.
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>>82461918
By being transgender and having a slur used against her. I suppose if Ruth had crushed Mary back when Mary said that Carla belonged in the boys dorm, things might be different, but the cycle of revenge/moral equilibrium hasn't reset itself yet.

Obviously the only way for Carla to react isn't to admit any fault for antagonizing Mary or correcting her way, but to ramp this shit up to super villainish Looney Tunes levels.
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>>82461957
Well, I wrote it wrong; it's not so much a 403 error as much as it is a redirect from ~/comics/ to the root webpage. That is, trying to access DoA.com/comics just boots you back to the front page.

>>82461985
Why? Because they're trans.
How? By oppressing them, causing the reader to feel bad for them.

Because you don't need genuinely likeable characters in today's modern comics climate. No, all you need to do is get your readers to feel bad for characters!
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>>82460584
fuck that tranny up, mary
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What is up with this rapid tranny defense force thing nowadays? I don't even think the gays get this kind of cuddling.
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>>82460584
>trannyman
>aggressively physically molesting a woman in her home
why is willis a misogynist?
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>>82461493
We are in debt to your haxor skills.
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>>82460584
why is it the place of willis, a cis white straight male, to preach to women how they're supposed to feel about men pretending to be women and invading their spaces?
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>>82462072
Ehh, you are forgiven. If I had an idea of where to go from here other than brute-forcing the strips, then maybe I'd be gloating more.

Ultimately, it's just two strips that we're going to see in a little over a month. There's enough in them to know where the story is going, but for now it's no big score at all.
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>>82462008
basically the rules of justice say that trannies are so oppressed by the entirety of existence that this gives them a natural god given right to be as much of a cunt as they want to anybody they want and anyone who has a problem with that is a trannyhating monster
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>>82461903
I really just wish this was all being handled by a writer that understood nuance because Carla deserves to be called out for being an shit person.
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>>82460584

I love that this comic emphasizes how much bigger and more physically imposing carla is than mary, really showing her height and weight advantage compared with the other girl
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>>82446318
Holy shit, this is how we beat him.
We don't point out his hypocrisy or his terrible storytelling. We take comments section and hashtag them to even more angry SJWs and have them turn on him
it's so brilliant
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Carla
>Rich
>White
>"Was" male

How am I suppose to feel sorry for let alone root for such a character? Literally the most privileged character in the comic.

>Oh, because he's trans
Back in the day, the mentally ill were sent to the Loony Bin away from the public for there own and everyone else's safety. Carla's general behavior pretty much enforces. "She's" planning some kind of revenge scheme over a comment.
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>>82461281
>Do whatever you want

I never wanted to see a hate crime against a fictional character more than I do now.
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>>82462200
To be fair, a lot of the people in this comic need psychiatric help badly.
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>>82462350
The only one that needs psychiatric help is Mary!!!
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>>82462200
Why do you pretend to care about privilege and then disregard trans as "mentally ill"?
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>>82461885
That's what I was trying to say.
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>>82441631
The best part is, Mary DID try to actually use that blackmail to influence Ruth. He tried to make Ruth hold a service or something.
Everyone (Ruth included) fucked off while Mary had her eyes closed in prayer, and it's never been brought up sense.
For a villain, she the most villainous thing she's DONE is fuck up Carla's skates. Literally everything else is just talk.
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>>82462710
No, she blackmailed Ruth into letting her lead a public prayer.
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>>82462710
Yeah, Ruth fucking refused to do anything to help those kids after the Toedad incident.
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>>82462811
Either way, Ruth didn't do jack shit despite the leverage, and since Ruth is likely to be still there after a timeskip (>>82461281), Mary didn't do anything as a result.
If Willis were a better writer, I'd assume that's foreshadowing that Mary is bluffing.
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>>82461397
Nicely done, sir.
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>>82433815
Or, I dunno, a gay that hates lesbians or vice versa. You know, a shockingly common phenomenon with history and nuan--

Where am I? How did I get to a DoA thread?
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>>82463089
Nah, this is Willis. How about a racist lesbian?
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I'm already mad because I just know whatever 'revenge' Carla gets will be humiliating/life ruining for Mary, who is the ONLY character I like in this godforsaken comic. Toedad too, and christ, he got his neck broke.

God damn you Willis, accidentally writing likeable voices of reason and then treating them as though they were strawmen.
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>>82463298
I'm fairly sure toedad's neck isn't broken
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>>82463352
man what's it when you need a neck-brace
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>>82463298
Toedad wasn't a likable voice of reason. Willis wrote him in a way that made it possible to interpret him as mentally ill, allowing a reader to see him as a sympathetic or tragic character, but never as a reasonable character.
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>>82463370
Whiplash
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Carla seems like a foot taller even without skates.

Am I imagining it or did she forger her T-blockers?
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>>82460584
I just realized that bit of music at the end has no time or key signature and it's bugging me the hell out

I mean, it's ostensibly Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture (which is a hell of a weird choice), but now I'm thinking of it in some weird minor scale.
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>>82461863

Yes, him. If you are born with a dick, you're a man.
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>>82461281
>>82461292

I'm impressed. It's a pity only these strips could be recovered, they don't tell us anything interesting.
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>>82463544
That could potentially be way too decent to be associated with a Willis joint.
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>>82461188
Why is Dina eyeing Walky and Dorothy like prey?
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>>82405026
Does Mary regularly throw out slurs like queer, or is Willis trying to curb her sympathy by making her more and more bigoted?
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Now that I think about it this buffer of his seems like a bit of a risky idea. Obviously it helps him keep updating while taking care of his children, but having all his strips up on the site ahead of schedule means that if someone got lucky and pinched them all it could have an affect on his traffic. Though I think his fans would still buy Willis' volumes anyway.

I imagine he'd get really upset regardless.
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>>82463550
>thinking in a world where androgen insensitivity syndrome and fucked up intersex shit exists physical traits mean anything
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>>82463866
>queer
>a slur
Huh? I thought queer got reclaimed
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>>82463898
It's basically their Jew.

It's ostensibly the correct term, for a general LGBTQ'nA*#I'm Speshul person, but when used by a non queer, it's still derogatory.
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>>82463893
Yes, but those are genetic anomalies, and mostly result in sterility.

Humans have two proper sexes with separate and unique physical traits.
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>>82463866
She called a list of restrictions that her roommate tried to get her to sign which included a ban on ablest speech "dumb."

When Mary was blackmailing Ruth, she had a weird archaic way of speaking.
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>>82463957
It's complicated. some LGBT peeps are okay with it, some aren't. In general, a lot of the older ones aren't comfortable with it because, when they grew up, it was still 100% a slur
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>>82464139

Speaking personally I don't like to use it because I read a lot of literature so I always equate it with "weird" or "bizarre". Despite being homosexual I don't particularly want to be seen as either of those things, or stand out as them.

And then in modern usage people call themselves queer when they're just bi and making up stupid bullshit to make themselves feel special. Fuck that noise.
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>>82463990
>implying you should ignore the existence of people just because they are rare and or sterile
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>>82464217
They're defective people. It's unfortunate, but they aren't a reason to change how things are classified.
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>>82464217
Not ignore them, but you shouldn't treat them like they're the justification for abolishing the determiners which actually fit most of the time, and are the intended biological result.

Intersex disorders are the result of faulty replication machinery; it's literally not supposed to happen.

Humans have two proper sexes, and sometimes, through mechanical error, those sexes become muddled or improperly expressed.

Also, the term intersex is a misnomer in and of its self.

They aren't actually between sexes, they're just improperly represented sexes.

For example, a Klinefelter Male is a male, because he has a a paired XY chromosome, despite having two X chromosomes.
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>>82464196
I only use queer to describe a very strange homosexual because then it is a pun.
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>>82464196
>posts on /co/
>in a willis thread no less
>thinks he isn't weird
Good one mate
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>>82461281
if i didn't know all i know about willis i'd think carla is an experiment to gauge how much bullshit readers are willing to tolerate from a trans character just because they're trans
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>>82405026
So where's Becky now?
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>>82431630
When everyone is dead, nobody will be. Genocide Run, here we come.
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>>82455719
Oh, bugger. I'll fix it later, promise.
>>82460640
Oh, fucking hell...
>>82460839
>Carla
>being in the wrong, or having anything go wrong in her life
Pick one.
>>82460874
Yeah, Carla has never had to deal with any kind of problems in the history of this comic. Even that stupid remark of Mary's didn't seem to trigger her THAT much.
>>82461062
Becky could just ask the police to open the house for her so she can get her stuff, right?
>>82461281
If I knew somebody like Carla in real life, I would do all I could to avoid them, purely so I wouldn't have to keep myself from smacking some sense into their empty head.
>>82461292
>tfw Joyce is only allowed to be happy for a few panels
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>>82461281
>>82461292
what would willis do if someone posted these in the comment section? Like just lie and say you did some fanart to get people to click on the link and spoil themselves one month in advance.
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>>82466281
>If I knew somebody like Carla in real life, I would do all I could to avoid them
Poor Mary doesn't have that luxury since Carla is being obnoxious and rude right outside her doorway and the RA is too drunken and useless to enforce order.
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>>82466402

Nah, just tweet them to him directly and say "hey you dropped these. Be more careful next time :^)"
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>>82466402
what's sad is that those strips don't even spoil anything. They are so devoid of actual content that reading them now changes nothing. We've gained no new information and nothing is happening in either of them.
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>>82464462

Knowing all I know of Willis, I think that's pretty much half true.

Fans don't like this character? It's obviously bigotry! So I'll just shove it in their faces again and again and again and again! SPITE, FUCK YEAH!
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>>82466869
but they do like Carla. They support Carla no matter what. A year from now, Carla will have murdered Mary in cold blood and fed the corpse to stray dogs, yet still be hailed as the hero in the comments.
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>>82462095

I dunno, his most (in)famous comic was about him preaching what women in general think is attractive in a man.

Funnily enough, I've more than once seen criticism against that comic being deflected with "Well you're just a cis white male, so you can't assume what all women like".
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>>82461930

When discussing this with said people, I used the analogy of insults based on "ignorance" being like bullets bereft of powder, i.e. ineffectual, while words based on truth actually have the power to harm people.

I was again told I was full of shit and that this idea is, once more, like driving into a bunch of people and expecting them to walk it off.

I'm forced to assume, then, that when someone calls a tranny an "unstable man pretending to be a women", it's a legitimate truth.
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>>82466990

Oh right, I meant critics.

But then, fans can be critics, though I doubt he's wise enough to think so.
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>>82466778

>Willy: "Omfg these disgusting thieves are stealing my comic again, wtf is their problem?!"
>Fans: "Ugh, ikr, they're fucking stupid. You should look into ways to make it more secure."
>Willy: "Wuh... bu... WHY SHOULD I DO THAT?!"
>*Makes passive-aggressive tweet about being told it's his fault*
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>>82467318

Sounds like a plan. Do it!
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>>82464217

Claiming that there aren't two genders because genetic defects exist is like claiming that humans don't have two arms for the same reason.
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>>82464217
>>82463893
>there are tall men and short men so average men don't exist

Except in this case average men would be 98% of the population instead of 60%
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>>82467707

Try 99.9%

It's also not really tall and short men compared to average men, it's more like people with Dwarfism and Gigantism compared to people without growth disorders.
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>>82461350
Mary just wants to study and the other characters are trying to catch her up in their drama

I don't give a fuck if you're a homosexual, if you're being so loud constantly in the fucking hall that I have to make an issue of it then clearly you're in the wrong and I don't care if you're offended that I insinuate you enjoy sucking dicks overmuch
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>>82463893

Thinking? Try KNOWING.

Even a man who gets GRS is still a man afterwards. Just a sexually confused one that is now mutilated.
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>>82462200
Countering a micro-aggression with a macro-aggression is a-okay, right? Two wrongs totally make a right.
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>>82462095
He has to establish he's one of The Good Ones that support ladies, ethnic people and lbgt people to maintain his internet cred. Its basically all he's got.
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>>82463298
I'll be honest, I'd like to see Mary in the hands of a better creator. I'd like to see someone do some nuance to make her an understandable character while still being able to write her negative personality traits (wow, a complicated and flawed character?), something she--or any character--will never get in Willisland because everything exists to act as a projection for his mental issues.
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>>82463866
It's Willis so the answer is that he was mad that a small fraction of people (i.e. us and the occasional commenter) was noting that Mary may be a cunt but she was right to be pissed with Carla (for being a shit) and Ruth (for being terrible at her job) so he has to go overboard to prove we're wrong because fuck taking a step back to examine your work and self-critique.
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>tfw don't even waifu Mary and can't stomach her inevitable suffering in the name of "social justice"
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>>82468930
It's pretty absurd, isn't it?
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Maybe we should start coming up with some short strips about Mary ourselves? Then find someone to draw them, and do something productive with our creative talent and boundless impotent rage.
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>>82463866

>slurs

I thought that was wgat the Q in LGBTQIAPAGANGAMSTYLE+ meant.
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Man these threads are weird.

I mean, are we actually celebrating intolerance now?

Willis is a poor writer and his choice of fandom is... unfortunate... but sometimes I look at these threads, and all I see is a bunch of extremely buttflustered Christfags with backwards views looking for an excuse to get into a huff.

No, 'Mary' (great pottery there Willis, bravo, you fucking hack) is not likable, literally none of Willis' characters are. I only need to read the comics in this thread to see that. Her views are stupid and ill-informed, and I'm not sure why Willis being a terrible writer is somehow being used as an excuse to pretend that they aren't. Is that literally the only purpose this guy's stuff serves on /co/, to contain all the retards that agree with his strawmen?
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>>82433342
>The worst thing Mary has actually done is a slur
She didn't even use a slur. She said that Carla belonged in the boys' dorm. That's it.
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>>82470581
What has Mary said that is wrong?
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>>82470581
the problem is exactly what somebody in an old thread said, it's a 'Dad from American History X' problem. She makes good points (especially regarding Carla getting preferential treatment so that Ruth can get 'ally points', but because she said a 'bad thing' we're supposed to ignore any valid thing she says as 'the bad point of view'
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>>82470675
Dude, come on, stop being so intentionally opaque.

Can you imagine what would happen RL is some crazy bitch tried to hold a seminar in a university dorm about how gays are evil and everyone should accept the power of Christ in their lives? Or insulted some trans guy/girl to their face?

They'd be a pariah, and for good reason.

Actually, now that I think about it, these threads seem more like a "stare long into the abyss" sorta deal. Yes, Willis' strawmen are dumb. No, anything that requires welding is not a good response to being insulted verbally. But in trying so hard to shit on Willis' terrible strawmen, you're actually becoming those very strawmen.

This is like, I dunno, it's almost like /tv/'s meme magic, except focused on yourselves.
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>>82470801
>Or insulted some trans guy/girl to their face?
She only said "You belong in the boys' dorm" after Carla had been harassing her non-stop. She wasn't going up to her to throw slurs at her.

People are free to preach whatever religion they want, too. She wasn't threatening anyone or inciting violence. She was just saying things that the rest didn't agree with.
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>>82470801
>Can you imagine what would happen RL is some crazy bitch tried to hold a seminar in a university dorm about how gays are evil and everyone should accept the power of Christ in their lives
she didn't do that
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>>82470883
That kinda is a slur. It's certainly a malicious statement. And we all know this character is portrayed as acting this way constantly, no matter how unrealistic that is.

People are free to preach, and people are free to tell them to get fucked. If you preach a viewpoint that [insert people] are filth, that's what's probably going to happen, and you have nobody to blame but yourself.

I just find it weird that people seem to be agreeing with her stance purely because Willis doesn't. Do you guys realize how creepily groupthinked that is? I like shitting on Willis, these threads can be fun when they're about that, but it seems like they're slowly becoming about actually agreeing with and liking his strawmen instead. Which is fucking odd.

Also, I never intended to avatarfag, but it turns out Killy has a lot of confused faces. Way more than I expected.
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>>82470581
>Her views are stupid and ill-informed
Yeah I agree.
Who the fuck goes to university to study, it's stupid
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>>82468525
The comic itself could be run with Mary and Joyce as the main characters and having a parallel story about how their Christian beliefs changed based on how they react to attending college.
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>>82471018
I had no idea Carla was trans until it was pointed out to me that it was a slur.
Since when was Carla's transness actually common knowledge in the dorm again?
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>>82471018
>That kinda is a slur. It's certainly a malicious statement.
It's a belief.

>And we all know this character is portrayed as acting this way constantly
Mary is portrayed as keeping to herself the vast majority of the time.
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>>82471054
It kinda must be, since Mary used it to insult her.
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>>82471152
Before the follow-up panel came out, a lot of people read that line as "You're acting rowdy, like the boys".

Would have been interesting drama if Mary didn't know.
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>>82471054
>>82471152
i assume that carla's apparent passing is an effect of the comic's artstyle and that she's actually as obviously a man as the typical tranny
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>>82462137
underrated comment
also
>other
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>>82471065
>It's a belief.

A belief that she stated in the form of an insult, clearly meant to shock and denigrate, toward another person. Come on, man Willis is a shit writer, but at least be intellectually honest with your criticism. We all know what she was doing there.

>Mary is portrayed as keeping to herself the vast majority of the time.

Because she hates everyone and only ever speaks up to tell them how awful they are for not being good Christians. Again, this isn't really the mark of a good character or commentary, but that doesn't really matter in this argument. She literally tries to blackmail her dorm leader whateveristcalled into hosting a mandatory lecture on Christianity and why not being Christian is evil. How can you think this is someone you'd want to waifu?

I could definitely get behind crusader Mary art being sent to Willis to rustle his feathers, but convincing yourself into thinking she's right or good? That's weird, man.
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>>82467318
Don't forget
>Jeph Jacques: People who steal others' comics are the worst
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>>82471275
She may not be good, but she is right. Carla is a fucking disturbance and would be kicked out of any dorm run by competent people.
Or well, she would if she wasn't trans.
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>>82471275
but she's not wrong, that's just it. These people are immature shitheads causing huge problems while she tries to fucking study

She says 'the bad things', so that all doesn't matter, but she's still clearly the victim here.
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>>82470883
>She only said "You belong in the boys' dorm" after Carla had been harassing her non-stop. She wasn't going up to her to throw slurs at her.
it is a slur.

She is not attacking it on her being an asshole but on something she can't be blamed for.

it's like saying, well at least my mom wasn't gang-rapped". It's as non-sequitur and uncalled for.
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>>82471275
>A belief that she stated in the form of an insult, clearly meant to shock and denigrate, toward another person.
Because Carla was following her around to harass her, with no sign of stopping. Insulting someone to get them to back off is fair game.

>She literally tries to blackmail her dorm leader
Because her dorm leader is sleeping with students, physically abusing them, and letting a non-student crash in the dorm indefinitely. Ruth absolutely SHOULD be fired, and Mary giving her a chance not to be is fucking generous.

>How can you think this is someone you'd want to waifu?
I don't want to waifu her. I just get pissed off seeing a character who just wants to be left alone get shit on and treated like a bad guy/
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>>82471365
Jesus christ are you american or something? If someone has been a cunt constantly you're well within your rights to insult them.
That's why the word cunt even exists. To call out cunts
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>>82471018

Nigger, I'm gay and I'm rooting for Mary out of spite. It's a shitty webcomic with shitty characters, just shut up and enjoy the ride.
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>>82405026
I like her.
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>>82470581
>I mean, are we actually celebrating intolerance now?

it's weird isn't it

4chan used to be fairly left-leaning years ago

then tumblr, social justice and fedora memes came about and here we are
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>>82471343
She doesn't seem to really care about being disturbed, she cares about being disturbed by people who are not evangelical Christians.

I'm not nearly invested enough in this to actually slog through the archives for it, but there's a comic where she pretty much states that's why she avoids everyone and keeps to herself.

Also, has anyone noticed how much Nihei's expressions changed while he was drawing Biomega? There are far less unintentionally confused or sad expressions on Kanoe than on Killy. I kinda miss them.
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>>82471365
>on something she can't be blamed for
From Mary's perspective, calling yourself a girl and choosing to stay in the girl's dorm instead of the boy's dorm is absolutely a choice that Carla made.
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>>82471437
No other characters have been observed causing quite as much noise and disturbance as Carla. Are you just retarded? Is that it?
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>>82471437
>She doesn't seem to really care about being disturbed
She clearly does. Wanting to study instead of dealing with annoying shitheads is her entire motivation.
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>>82471437
Stop avatarfagging
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Things Mary has done:
1) The boys dorm statement to Carla
2) Call out Ruth's RA fuck ups using language that is puritanical and treats lesbianism as perversion, with only Carla listening
3) Try to force Ruth to hold a group prayer during a group meeting (failed btw)
4) Insinuate (to Ruth) that Ruth is only trying to be nice to get liberal brownie points while using the word 'queers'

I wouldn't agree with most of her language regarding lgbt people.

None of those is holding a seminar? I'd say 1 is messed up, but it was retaliation for extended harassment that broke the rules of the dorm, that she couldn't defend against because said RA has already assaulted her. I mean physical assault, not verbal. 2 is kinda bad, although it doesn't directly attack said 'perverted vagrant' Becky as she is not there (and not supposed to be there), and is paired with the salient point that Ruth is a shitty RA. I don't think you can write someone up for judging people for having puritanical views though, and don't think there's an issue with that, despite disagreeing. 3 would've been bad had it worked, but it didn't at all, so, whatever. 4 is kinda dumb, but I don't think it's actionable outside of use of the word "queers".

I get that she's bad and has bad ideas, but she hasn't performed any truly indefensible bad actions yet! She should! And then I'm fine with whatever.
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>>82471469
Sure. Never really argued against that, Carla is as stupid a caricature as Mary. Generally, though, you'd respond to someone like that by calling them an asshole. It's pretty telling that Mary thought the worst thing she could say about her was that she's trans and doesn't belong in the girls' dorm.

>She clearly does. Wanting to study instead of dealing with annoying shitheads is her entire motivation.

Do I really have to dive into the ancient pits of this comic's archive to find the comic where she explains why she doesn't hang out with anyone? It's not because drama. It's because she thinks all non-Christians are bad people.

Again, dumb writing, but I'd rather attack that than pretend that I agree with some creepy fundie because it might make Willis' tushie slightly raw.
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>>82471431
4chan was never a place like Tumblr though that cares about feelings.

4chan has always been completely a irreverent place where you're going to hear people getting called nigger or faggot.

Also, 4chan was only left leaning because the conservative mindset was predominant at its inception.

4chan's core userbase isn't overtly political, they just like to make people uncomfortable, and since the most outspoken group of political people today are whiny liberal 20 somethings, adopting more conservative facades is the way to make them squirm.

You don't know anything about what this website is
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>>82471657
>It's pretty telling that Mary thought the worst thing she could say about her was that she's trans and doesn't belong in the girls' dorm.
As opposed to calling her an asshole? Is calling her an asshole worse? I don't follow your line of reasoning.
Both are insults. One is just more clever than a simple "asshole"
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>>82471657
>she doesn't hang out with anyone [...] because she thinks all non-Christians are bad people.

This is literally not a bad action. There is nothing malicious or abusive or even annoying about avoiding people you don't agree with. Do I agree with her thoughts? No, but that is pretty much the best way to act on those thoughts.
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>>82471712
One tells you that she thinks Carla (is her actual name meant to be Carl? If so I find that slightly hilarious) is an asshole, and wants her to go away.

The other tells you that she thinks Carla is legitimately a slight against morality, and that she hates what she is, not simply the way she's acting.

It's difference between saying "hey, go away you dumb asshole" and "hey, go away you dumb spic."
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>>82471769
>banter means you think someone is a slight against morality
Fuck me I don't understand you people
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>>82471618
>I'd say 1 is messed up
it's the damn truth!
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>>82471764
Yeah, not saying it's wrong either.

But it shows what her actual motivations for all the shit she does pull are. She's not just trying to get some peace and quiet. In what world does blackmailing an RA so that they make prayer sessions mandatory seem like the action of someone trying to just lay low and get on with their homework?
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>>82471808
>lol bantz

Are you kidding me?

She wasn't trying at friendly banter. She was clearly trying to be as hurtful and malicious as possible.

The level of intellectual dishonesty flowing around this whole subject is really unnerving. These threads were much better when we were laughing at the concept of Amazi-Girl.
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>>82411456
A true hero.
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>>82471919
Banter doesn't have to be friendly, faggot. Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean you have to pull your punches.
Hell it means the opposite.
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>>82471919
>The level of intellectual dishonesty flowing around this whole subject is really unnerving.
I often think this thread is mainly made of people bannd by Willis in his comment section, just so that they can keep complaining about it. The point they will go to twist their perception of a situation they will go just to feel offended is amazing.
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>>82470581
Hey. One of the thread regulars here who also doesn't like Mary (or Carla, for that matter)

Ignoring the people who are Mary fans for lulz (DEUS VULT) and the people who would fit better with /pol/ than /co/, I think that people waifu Mary because Carla's portrayed as such a complete shithead for the duration of their conflict (seriously, who the fuck skates in the halls?) and Willis chose to have Mary be a villain in the most oblique, not-triggering-to-the-audience way possible. If Willis was a good writer, he'd write Mary as a proper shithead and have her blackmail actually have some fucking impact. Instead, she's written as an incompetent smartass who's going to get a hilarious comeuppance.

Personally, as someone whose politics lean leftward, I think the whole Mary-Carla conflict is one of the worst failures of Willis specifically because it gave so much ammo to the sort of /pol/tard who actually likes Mary
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>>82471963
And if you use it as an excuse to insult someone that way, you're showing yourself to be an intolerant asshole.

Being racist or homophobic or whatever is literally the opposite of clever banter. If two guys were arguing about something, and one of them just said "well, you're a fucking faggot, you faggot", with the implication that this was a good reason to hate them/disregard them/whatever, would you think that was clever?
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>>82472029
Yeah, I've also gotten the impression that these threads have mainly devolved into people Willis kicked off his comments section half a year ago intentionally trying to find ways to misinterpret the comic in increasingly ludicrous ways to justify being bitter at him.
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>>82471657
>>82471437
>>82471275
>>82471018
Stop avatarfagging
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>>82472074
>well, you're a fucking faggot, you faggot
And if that's what Mary had said I'd agree with you. But she didn't. There was setup to her insult. It was actually funny.
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>>82471860
>She's not just trying to get some peace and quiet. In what world does blackmailing an RA so that they make prayer sessions mandatory seem like the action of someone trying to just lay low and get on with their homework?

In the world of this comic, where she only escalated to doing that after being unfairly deprived her peace and quiet and threatened with repercussions from a corrupt and shitty RA. She's not just fine with being left alone now, now she's being antagonistic in kind.

I react to all of her garbage way differently if she starts all this stuff apropos of nothing, but it escalates smoothly from Carla being pretty mean and unreasonable to her.
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>>82472140
It really doesn't matter if it's funny. It's an attack on something totally irrelevant. It's phrased sneakily, but it's essentially the same situation.

>"Hey don't skate in the halls."
"Why?" (fuck off Carla, you know why)
>"Because FUCK FAGGOTS, YOU FAGGOT."

Being sly about the way you phrase it doesn't really make you any less of a shithead. It means you're stupid enough to be so fixated on something that's not relevant at all that you literally cannot keep yourself from bringing it up.
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>>82472260
>that you literally cannot keep yourself from bringing it up.
This is what, the fucking third time Carla was causing trouble for Mary?
Get the fuck out.
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>>82472290
>someone is annoying you
>that makes it totally fine to be a hateful asshole

Okay.jpg

I don't think either of them was in the right. Carla shouldn't have been skating in the halls, that's dumb, and the carpets are probably not good for it.

But it doesn't really make Miss Moral Panic's views any more valid. Or make "hurr you're a queerino" a good response to anything.
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>>82472363
All I'm saying is she didn't jump straight to it. It took several repeated attempts to antagonize Mary for her to pull out a slur.
And I still maintain that it was funny.
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>>82472290
Do you also have a three strike rule for calling people niggers?

Grow up.
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>>82472363
What she said barely qualifies as "being a hateful asshole". She thinks Carla is a boy. She's entitled to that belief, and if Carla can't handle hearing contrary beliefs from someone she's intentionally following around and harassing, that's her problem.
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>>82472095
>>82472029
>>82471919
epic samefagging itt
the willis/tranny defense force is real
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>>82472363
>>82472418
You've never gotten angry to the point that all you can say is hurtful shit to purposefully upset the person that's bothering you? Hell, I've had black friends being huge assholes to me that the only way I could get them to stop was, y'know, 'nigger'.
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>>82472561
>You've never gotten angry to the point that all you can say is hurtful shit to purposefully upset the person that's bothering you? Hell, I've had black friends being huge assholes to me that the only way I could get them to stop was, y'know, 'nigger'.
The difference is that those were friends. Marie and Carla barely know each other to get in the "it's okay to slur each other".
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>>82471275

why do the willisfags itt pretend it's some big revelation that mary was insulting the tranny?
do they not get that not everyone agrees to follow their rules that nobody is ever allowed to be mean to a tranny, that trannies are not special snowflakes whose special trannyfeelings must never, ever be hurt?
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>>82472593
Carla's been basically harassing/bullying Mary constantly because 'lol dumb christian prude', so I can see why she'd go past boiling point
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>>82472593
They weren't close enough for Carla to be an antagonistic bitch either, but there we go.
It's all up to personal opinion which we think is worse. A couple words, or being a loud and annoying faggot for no reason
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>>82471919
why is it okay for someone with a male body to harass and threaten a female?
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>>82468930
>tfw you do waifu Mary and your only hope is that Willis spills his spaghetti so hard over Mary's punishment that it backfires and causes another shitshow of people siding with her, forcing him to close comments again.
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>>82472748
like look how much bigger carla is than mary in this comic >>82460584
someone explain to me why this person with a male body, because he wants to be considered a girl, is now entitled to continually harass a girl noticeably smaller and weaker than she is
how is it even imaginably reasonable that when she fights back against her physically imposing harasser - who the irresponsible RA will do nothing about, mind - with words, she becomes the bad guy
how literally insane are leftists that they think this is okay?
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>>82472854
>when she fights back
meant to say "when mary fights back"
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>>82471431
That's because 4chan has always been counter-culture.
But yeah, the moods have visibly shifted. Before 2008 calling someone "right-wing" was a shorthand for retard. Now 4chan uses leftist as an insult.
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>>82471657
The thing is: she avoids people. Carla had to go out of her way to antagonize her. And Ruth called her on that.
Just leave the little bitch alone and everyone's happy. But no, you gotta shove your mutilated genitals in her face and then wonder why she's angry.
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>>82472550
Well, this completes the list of intellectually dishonest counterpoints, I guess.

Nobody has been defending Carla. People are just amazed at the idea that Mary could be likable, seeing as she is kinda a puritan Christian nutjob willing to blackmail people into letting her lord her imagined moral superiority over others.

There are no likable characters in this comic. Or good characters. Mary isn't a good characters because she happens to be on the 'wrong' side of Willis' beliefs, or because you happen to share her beliefs.
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>>82473006
>willing to blackmail people
She's blackmailed one person. A person who has in the past physically assaulted her.
And apart from the group prayer shit, all Mary blackmailed her to do was to do her fucking job
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>>82472838
He's already playing some "I'm a serious adult and parent now who can't monitor things 24/7" cards. I think closing the comments and being even more untouchable is part of his long game.
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>>82473006
>Calling someone a nutjob for having different religious beliefs that they keep to themselves
As for the blackmail, she's just telling Ruth to do her fucking job.
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Man, how heavy a drinker was she that stopping a few days is making her see spots and trip balls?
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>>82473048
The group prayer was part of making Ruth do her job since kids on the floor had been through a traumatic experience recently.
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>>82473209
Naw, son, she was literally just trying to fuck with Ruth. I can't follow this logic. See the comic in >>82471618, she doesn't actually give a shit.

Fucking with Ruth is actually totally ok, because she is the worst non-parent in the comic, by virtue of her actual actions.
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>>82473006
why is mary not entitled to defend herself against a larger, stronger male-bodied person who the university's representative will do nothing to stop from harassing her?
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>>82405026
>You just want your liberal brownie points for sticking up for the queers.

Wait. What? Did Willis just got redpilled or what?
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>>82405320
Not to defend her or Willis, but not all people are good and nice by default.

That's why people say evil is easy but good is hard. Because to most people, good is a conscious act, like holding your breath.

How long can you hold your breath for?
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>>82472854
>>82473322

I also want to point out that mary specifically isn't one of willis's fantasy superheroines like amber, sal or ruth who we see exhibiting the strength of a full-grown man
she's an ordinary, unathletic 5'2, 90 pound girl, being constantly harassed by a taller, stronger Person Who Wants To Be Considered A Female
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>>82473142
>forcing everyone to attend mandatory Christian prayer session, regardless of their beliefs or religions, is the RA's job

You need to stop reading this comic, it is actually turning you stupid.
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>>82473006
>willing to blackmail people
This also describes Ruth, who blackmailed a resident under her because she hates her and didn't want to do her job to find their roommate. And that's detestable because she is not only in charge of her, but also physically more imposing.

This is all Ruth reaping what she sowed. She showed that she can be partial, abusive and arbitrary. That's how the floor is run. Mary is just throwing the same shit back at her.

>>82473456
And Willis wonders why his fans have fantasies about 'misogynistic violence.'
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>>82473408
Yeah, but we don't have to pretend that those assholes are good people. Willis makes those assumptions about his badly-written characters, abusive shitheads who refuse to take any responsibility for their actions, and gets offended when we don't cheer when anyone who dares criticise these dickheads gets their "comeuppance".
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>>82473006
It's because the entire crux of this argument hinges on her having two very valid complaints. And then there is the characterization problems. Mary's a judgmental, bigoted asshole, but she's mostly self-secluding. Her transgressions are putting glue on Carla's skates, an insulting insinuation - that within the context of information presented in the comic has a completely different meaning, telling her RA to start doing her job or she'll report it, demanding to be able to lead a group prayer at a floor meeting, and using the word "queer" as a slur. Now lets look at the heroes of this arc. Carla is an intentionally antagonistic asshole and, by direct admission of the author, an attention whore. She was skating through the dorm halls - something that wouldn't be allowed by the rules at all and in reality could get her skates confiscated - and continued to do so after another resident asked her to stop. Ruth is a violent, barely functional alcoholic who can't even do the basic functions of an RA and has a history of physically assaulting residents. She facilitates and exacerbates her girlfriend's alcoholism, physically and emotionally abuses her girlfriend, and, instead of helping her girlfriend deal with the psychological and emotional upheaval that comes with the reality of college, makes a suicide pact with her. Mary's an asshole, Carla's a different type of asshole, Ruth is a goddamn monster. You can't have a story of justified comeuppance when your villain is equal to or better than your heroes, it's a failure of basic storytelling.

It's pretty telling that Willis has dedicated more time to Carla and Ruth getting revenge on Mary than he has on Joyce getting roofied and nearly raped.
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>>82473941
>Mary's an asshole, Carla's a different type of asshole, Ruth is a goddamn monster.

This post is a great summation.
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Man, we haven't had a thread reach autosage for a loooong time
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>>82474903
Feels kinda nice.
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>>82474989
You know what? It does.

That said, I'm surprised the number of images posted didn't go into triple figures.
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>>82475099
There haven't been a lot of edit worthy strips recently and the constant plot switching doesn't let the stories build so we don't have a singular focus.
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>>82474903
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm only here for Mary. Joyce (and Becky's) family drama bored the shit out of me.
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>>82475363
Speaking of which, what was that diner where Joyce's other brother was an inhuman cunt? I'm kind of curious as to what their menu's like. Don't know why... not like I'll ever go to Indiana.
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>>82475420
I assume it's just standard diner fare. Lots of fried foods and things that can be cooked on a griddle or range. Maybe some stuff from an oven, but only things that can be held for long periods like breads or desserts.

>>82475363
I really liked Dina and Sarah's interactions, but I get the feeling Willis is going put Sarah's personality in the shitter hard and fast.
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>>82475685
It looked like a specific diner, possibly a chain of some sort.
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