ITT: Plots that need to die.

>getting rich changes who you are as a person

>>82370816
>Boys vs Girls
>Girls always win because boys are stupid/sexist/overconfident.

Hello everyone, I was sent here to be the champion of /co/ and save all of your shows starting with WOY!

>>82371276
>Hey wait he's not the champion!
Yeah, I'm really not. Now how are we gonna in fuck up what I fucked up?

>>82370816
>It's a "made up lie becomes true" episode

I came in this thread for the longnose and stayed for the discussion

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Lying can save entire nations.

>Punching bag character lashes out at everyone who picks on them and does a good job of dishing it out.
>"Its better if I go back to being a punching bag for everyone so they feel better."

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>>82370816
I hate this so much.

Steven Universe had numerous episodes with this.

And the one with Mayor Dewey especially on how he was lying about when the power would be returned to Beach City, and Steven defended him by saying that he lied to them out of love.

The people had a right to know so they could figure out what they were going to do already. Not spend time relying on false promises.

>>82370816
>character gets a new style or hobby and their friends hate them for no reason
>some dumb bullshit that will never happen again happens to scare them away from it

>>82373476
What SU usually goes for is that while the lie usually doesn't help matters, it doesn't mean that the liar should be vilified. The greater message is about community and understanding.

>>82370935
this

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>Characters are playing video games
>They play on modern hardware, the game has Atari graphics and sounds
>Characters furiously button mash for no reason

>>82370816
>Plots that need to die
Super powered main character ... loses powers.

I'm not talking about Avengers/JLA being depowered so a supernormal like Bats or Green Arrow can save the day and show his worth. I mean: you sit down to an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and suddenly she's just a normal girl. Newsflash: if I wanted to watch a NORMAL UNPOWERED PERSON do shit I could be watching LITERALLY any OTHER fucking show!

This is right up there with the Ground Hog Day episode and the Freaky Friday Body Swap episode in the list of things that will get me to drop a comic or tv show at *lease* for the current arc.

There's also the CW favorite: "keeping secrets" for no logical reason other than the writer's want some "drama."

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>>82373292
>an elaborate lie can build a nation

>>82373722
That's a cliche, not a plot.

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>>82370816
>new kid comes to town
>acts like a jerk to the protagonist
>acts like the nicest guy around literally anyone else
>protag calls him out
>new kid plays innocent
>protag's friends all side with the new guy

And it's not like the protag's friends don't trust him, they just for some reason listen to this kid they met 10 minutes ago over the guy they've known for a decade or more.

Fuck these episodes.

I got one.
>The protagonist ditches his friends for the popular crowd.
Kill. This. Shit. Dead.

>we need to beat this video game to advance the plot episodes
"Characters play video game" episodes are fine, like Regular Show's power glove or South Park's WoW episode, but if your killer is hiding themselves behind a video game, or your grand adventure takes you through an 8-bit world, you need to go fuck yourself.

>its an "OP is so immature the morality lessons in kids cartoons offend him" thread.

>>82373864
>new kid comes to town
>everyone likes him except the protagonist
>they start to favor the new kid
>protagonist spends every waking moment trying to reveal something wrong about him
>turns out the new kid was actually evil
>new kid gets kicked out, protagonist vindicated, status quo returns

Because maturing and accepting people you don't like just isn't a believable story.

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>>82373776
>he doesn't like the body swap episodes

>>82373887
Shut up danny phantom did a great job with their video game episode and resolved it with a moral about applying that determination in school and real life. Hell they even fit in the "someone's always better than you" message.

>the show has a muslim character
>no one gets beheaded
>no girl gets raped
>nothing blows up

>>82373997
What was the danny phantom video game episode about even? That description isn't helping me remember it at all.

>>82374021
>no one finds anon's edge funny or original

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>head trauma induced prophecy/telepathy "cured" by future head trauma

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>>82373877
>>82373540
The Weekenders handled these pretty well though.

There's probably more plots they did that have been mentioned in these threads but I haven't watched that show in a long while.

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>>82373877
this
it really makes me want to not see that person again in the show, like legit shit. also this shit
>>82373864
>>82373971
this shit pisses me off. like for real, why do they do this bullshit, and then expect me to believe these people are friends. wtf man?

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>>82370816
>Gender role reversal episode
>The boys act like stereotypical women
>The women act like stereotypical men
>The show is never like this prior or after.

>>82374044
Technis invades their favorite video game but Danny can come to help them play the game and beat him until he passes a make up English test.

>>82373591
For shitty politicians?

>Swedes/Brits/Germans
>white

>>82374044
Well the villain, technus literally went and hid in the video game, and they had to advance through the video game to beat him, while Danny had to study for a test.

To be fair I probably only remember it because it was my favorite.

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>it's an episode where one character can't get the attention of anyone because they're busy with shit for just a day
>naturally, character decides to run away forever and ever
>everyone realizes that the character is gone, must go on a pain-in-the-ass search
>they find the character, everyone gives him a big hug and the end

>>82370816
It's a "Lying to achieve your ends is worse than being honest and achieving nothing." episode.
Fuck off, you don't change the world without getting your hands dirty.

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>Team of Heroes comprised of both genders are travelling the countryside to save the world from a great evil
>Journey leads them to pass through some little podunk town in the middle of nowhere

"OI, I'M A MEMBER OF THE TOWN COUNCIL, AND I'M GOING TO BE VERY OUTSPOKEN ABOUT HOW I DON'T RESPECT WOMEN!"

>Team decides to take a few days off their crucial plans to save the entire fucking planet so they attempt to teach some backwoods idiot a lesson

Just once I'd like to see them say "Well, you're a cunt" and just carry on with their fucking lives, because who honestly gives a shit what some dipshit from nowhere thinks?

>>82374021
Go home Chris Carter; you're drunk.

maybe not a plot so much as something that tends to crop up at the ends of shitty plots, and can be done well, but:

>we both know you've been a shitty friend to me and will more than likely continue to do so in the future, but I'll stick by you anyway because

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>It's a girls vs boys episode

>>82370816
>>It's a "Lying is fine as long as you're doing it to spare feelings" episode.

Most lies you will ever tell others (and yourself) are exactly that. Society just couldn't work if everyone just frankly said what they honestly thought all the time.

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>>82373446
They should do the "It's a Meg episode so go ahead and change the channel" gag for every Meg episode.

>>82374550
>implying we aren't changing the channel long before they get the chance to tell us

>>82374464
KND is literally the only show I can think of that did it well. Every other show just says fuck it and goes with the classic
>durr hurr men are dumb
Moral.

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>>82374668
*kektopus intensifys*

>>82374781
KND had a lot of gender based episodes, but none of them ever felt too heavy handed.

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>character gets rich but loses all his money in one episode

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>>82373722
>*BEEP BOOP BOOP BEEP BOOP BEEP*

>>82375623
You say that like it isn't somewhat grounded in reality.

>>82373446
They shouldn't even lash out in the first place, that's some unnecessary feels bullshit right there that ruins comedy.

If anything, it should be
>punching bag thinks about lashing out
>punching bag is about to lash out
>suddenly everyone is really sweet and thankful for punching bag taking their shit
>punching bag decides not to lash out
>everyone then punches punching as a reminder not to let it go to their head
>punching bag reconsiders lashing out in the future
>end of episode, leaving the audience to think they might lash out someday but they never do unless the writers decide to tie up loose ends with the show

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>>82375623
>money fundamentally changes Character's character in a negative way, so they give their money up willingly

>>82373961
>lying to people is being mature

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>>82370816
>lying is bad

>>82370816
>Stealing is okay if you do it because you're poor/doing it because it's "the right thing".
>Stealing is wrong if you're hanging with a cool kid and you steal something luxurious to look cool.

Really puts out a mixed message to the kids, especially ghetto kids.

>>82370896
>All the boys become inexplicably sexist with traits they've never had before just to make the point

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>it's a "character overhears part of a conversation and misinterprets the whole thing" episode

>>82370816
>Character gets hypnotized by antagonist
>Antagonist isn't smart enough to make them say "Guess what guys I'm not hypnotized anymore." and have a double agent
Also, >Hypnotized character usually becomes un-hypnotized only for the antagonist to never try it again.

>>82374054
Fuck you, I liked that american dad episode was great.

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>It's a non self aware date rape episode
I don't agree with Mr. Enter a lot, or really anyone who uses the term "mean spirited" as a weapon, but this is seriously pretty fucked up.
Inb4: More like ducked up

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>>82370866
Thanks god, Bob's Burgers dodged that bullet, with bob's friend.

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>>82375809
>I can think of no instances in which lying is the more mature option

>bullies are just kids who lack self-confidence and/or have problems at home

You know, even though studies have literally showed this to be complete bullshit.

>>82373476
>and Steven defended him by saying that he lied to them out of love.
You are missing the point of that episode big time.

This episode is about Steen realizing that the Crystal gems are being coy with him and Steven realizing why they are doing it by making a parallel with Mayor Dewey.

I mean it(s almost literally there:
>It's okay! It's okay! Mayor Dewey was hiding things from you but he did it because he didn't want you to worry!
>He was just sheltering you from the truth because he... *enlightenment and understanding dawn on him* He loves you.

Replace it with
>It's okay! It's okay! the Crystal Gems were hiding things from me but they did it because they didn't want me to worry!
>They were just sheltering me from the truth because they... *enlightenment and understanding dawn on him* They loves me.

Now the important part is that Steven right after that actually CONFRONT the gems and ask them to be frank with them. The moral, at the end, is actually that THE TRUTH ACTUALLY NEED to be told, as Steven make sure the gems finally get to be honest with him.

But the moral is also that when people lie to you, it's not always out of malice, but because they care, even if it's not the right things to do. Lying doesn't make one a bad person and that's the other moral of that episode.

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>>82377567
When it's a self aware Date rape episode, though, it actually turns out to be awesome:
> “All I wanted was for you to hand me a screwdriver! But instead you had me buckle down and…make you a…roofie…juice serum, so you can roofie that poor girl at your school. Are you kidding me, Morty?! You’re really gonna try to take the high road on this one? Y’know your-you’re a little creep, Morty! Your-you’re just a little creepy creep person!”

>>82377669
Shit anon. You got me questioning my own ideals...

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>>82374201
Some days truly just make person feel like no one will miss them, anon if you left you would love to have someone just be "yo what up"
>They amplify that shit cause kids will disappear(little fuckers)

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>>82375731
Wow, you made an episode that's actually worse than the episode you're against. That's pretty impressive, really.

>>82373837
The postman is about an elaborate lie?
Did the guy not have anything to send, and he just traveled through the nation just to make them think there is still civilization to inspire people?

>>82374201
for some reason this pisses me off from the perspective that nobody would actually look for you in real life, not from the perspective of the character being stupid.

>tfw invisible.

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>>82373864
>Watch the Deadpool episode from Ultimate Spider-Man
>His team mates do just that

That show triggered my autism and almost made me despise White Tiger, and feel bad for how awful Luke Cage and Iron Fist are treated.

>Two sides compete for treasure
>Treasure is lost
>Muh "friendship is more important than treasure
Even the walking dead did this

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>Liars are always caught

>>82374144
Back to pol or int

>>82375623
It makes sense from a writing point. Money can solve 80% problems and next episode would be hard to write. Also they would move to a different house.
Being rich is good. Having suddenly rich characters would ruin the show.

>someone discovers new thing
>they take it too far

>subplot that is between 2 characters that does the relationship drama BS.
>b-but it didn't mean anything
Stop this shit

>Nerd loser character is a wimp.
>they try to improve themselves
>THEY SHOULDN'T CHANGE WHO THEY ARE

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>It's a "Technological Progress Is Bad!" episode
>New technology or science goes wrong because it was taken so far in a way even a five year old could tell was bad or for no reason at all
>bonus points if the same thing done by the main character(s) never goes wrong

If you really want your head to hurt, think of how many episodes of Batman Beyond involve science being cool and helpful for Batman but for literally everyone else it either ruins their lives, mutilates them, mutates them, or outright kills them.

Literally the whole first season of Gumball.

All shitty and predictable

>>82373877
But tht actually happens

>>82380233
The inverse of this is just as bad, though in my experience less common.
It's always "character thinks facebook datamining is wrong = he's a fucking Luddite who thinks computers should be banned [he can't use them anyway] and the internet is satanic" tier.

>>82379807

>watching Ultimate Garbage

serves you right.

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>>82377669

this was a shit episode.

so shit. so so fucking shit. you've gone and triggered me faggot

fucking shit and cringy, just awful episode.

>>82373476
In the context of the episode, Stven started out defending Dewey because he had made a good point, but Steven ultimately decided that Dewey's way was not right for him, so he went back to fight when shit hit the fan.

>>82380322
The score one that one and the scenes, of Steven being pissed and solving the course and then EVA congratulations were all, good shit. Overall shitty message though.

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>>82370816
>Guy brags to look cool for girl
>he fails but win when he acts normal
>just be yourself

>two characters dance around being in a relationship with each other because reason.

>break up after a week because reasons.

Bonus points if reason for break up is because woman can't have kids for unexplainable reason.

>>82375971
The Simpsons even did that this season. Damn.

>>82379833
What when?
In the comics? Idont remember that

>>82380233
Splicing was about to get regulated hard because everyone old enough to have met Langstrom knew it was going to have side effects out the ass.
WHICH IT DID.

>>82374021
Speaking of Muslims characters, why ware they almost always girls? How many male Muslims characters are there in comics and cartoons that aren't side characters to a Muslim girl?

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>>82380233
>Watch Thunderbirds are Go episode "Falling Skies"
>Villain uses "Technological progress is bad"+sabotage to slander competition
>Moral essentially is "Technological process is good, just put in failsafes

>>82380027
Then use a different premise!

>>82381017
That one Green Lantern with a gun.

>>82375731
This is 10 times worse never fucking write anything ever again.

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>>82375737
She did nothing wrong.

>>82381017
Muslim men can't be easily differentiated from the rest because of a hijab.

>>82381022
TBAG did so many things right.
>The icelandic undersea train driver is actually icelandic and not just someone mangling all the pronunciation

>>82381149
Can't give them Middle Eastern or South Asian features and traits?

>>82381149

Plus it's in our nature to want to protect women more than a man.

>>82374021

There are only 2 times I've ever seen Muslims in a cartoon and that was an episode of the Proud Family where Penny spent a whole week with them and like a 3 second scene in Statick Shock's Chrismas episode

>>82381195
No because you can be Arab, Persian, Indian, Malay, or whatever, and still not be a Muslim. Muslim women also get the whole 'rebellion against misogynist cultural norms' schtick where they can have a 'rebel' character who's rebelliousness would be politically correct and inoffensive compared to a 'rebel' Muslim man.

>>82370816
>it's a "the villain never wins" episode
>it's a "incompetent villain from above teams up with hero to defeat the REAL evil" episode
>it's a "Hero's dim-witted and only defeats the villain by being annoying/distracting/messing up everything" episode
>it's a "educational shit because guest animator/the channel has to do one" episode
>it's a "protag or anti-hero is constantly denied his goal" episode

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>>82370816
>"I'm brutally honest"

>>82374464
When was the last time a show did this?

TTG doesn't count.

>it's a "character bitches about how they just want to be normal and what a curse incredible superpowers are" episode

>>82381592
I guess I can see why its done, it just seems like the safe way to approach Muslim characters.

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>Magic vs Science

>>82381681
yeah ,you really don't wanna offend people who bomb your office for making a satirical cartoon

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>>82379929
>le /pol/ boogeyman

>>82381651
Furturama did this
Also
>it's a "love can overcome anything" episode

>it's a 'character is incapable of having a healthy relationship with non-supers, so the writers have the super LI act out of character to eliminate them from MC-bowl' episode

>>82380027
So don't have your characters become rich in the first place. Use a one-off character or don't do that plot at all.

Or have the sack to change a character's situation rather than dryhumping the status quo.

>>82380511
I'd like to see a show where a guy brags to look cool and then works to actually achieve what he was bragging about to sort of retroactively make it true.
Like 50% of my accomplishments came about as a result of trying to live up to my bragging.

>it's a "old people are fucking like rabbits" episode

>>82374302

I think Avatar handled this well. Aang and Katara HAD to put up with that guy's sexist shit if they wanted to learn waterbending.

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>>82375935
I know it's not /co/, but I'm currently watching this anime and loved how it addressed your first point. It's nice to see morals addressed more complexly in child-oriented media sometimes.

>>82380904
Nah in the show. I know it's irrelevant to the board but it pissed me off. It's the episode when we first meet Jesus and they fight for the food truck, which ends up sinking into a lake. The episode still ends in a hopeful note regardeless.

>>82377538
Amercian Dad has funny versions of all of these, they make them completely over the top

>>82380233
In BB the people it goes bad for are trying to yse it for evil/are insane though so it's ok

>>82374201
Has anyone done this except SpongeBob?

>>82381707
Fair enough.

>>82377669
>congratulations!

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>>82381137
>mako tits

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>>82370816
>>82381642
>it's a "protagonist is brutally honest to an annoying friend and spends the whole episode feeling bad and trying to make it up to him" episode

>>82379503
it starts as a lie, then it becomes truth further into the story.

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>>82382657
>protagonist saves a guy's life
>guy starts acting like a slave out of gratitude
>protagonist starts abusing it
>for some reason, the only way to get the guy to stop acting like a slave is to get him to save the protagonist's life instead

>time travel from the last episode to the first

example: mighty max. Fuck your lame attempt to play the same shit over and over.

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>>82381714
Where do you think the retarded joke that the majority of Swedes/Brits/Germans are not white comes from? Who would find that funny? Poltards.

>>82377629
Fantastic episode because of that and because of parnell

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>>82381717
>It's a "why actually deal with your problems when love overcomes all" episode

>>82374464
>It's an episode where your hair gets insulted.

>>82381700
skeptic character denies that it's supernatural despite having witnessed supernatural events/characters in previous episodes.

>"Let's take care of the enviroment"
>Not because this the planet we live on and the drastic change of climate threatens our own populace
>Not because certain species may be lost endangering the habitat and other species that depend on it
>No, do it because your hurting the cute animals feelings.

>>82381808
>I'd like to see a show where a guy brags to look cool and then works to actually achieve what he was bragging about to sort of retroactively make it true.
That's the synopsis of A Goofy Movie.

Though after his little performance Roxanne seemed like she wanted to bang regardless of Max's status.

>Bob is shy and has low self-esteem
>Something happens to Bob that boosts his confidence.
>Now Bob is an jerk.
>Bob's must be bought down and return to being a doormat.
I mean you could use this set up to talk about how people's low self-esteem tends to manifest in either extreme passiveness or a façade of extreme egotism and how both modes of behaviour are rooted in the same problem but nope!.

>>82383458
Better than
>"Do it cause it's the right thing!"

>>82380250
First two seasons of Gumball were the best ones you faggot.

>>82377910
i don't think that episode is given enough credit for the concept of the love potion itself.

>>82382793
Astro Boy did that, but they pulled it off really well since the manga used it an excuse to flesh out Astro's backstory. What was originally a quick one-off story turned into an entire character arc about domestic abuse and civil rights. It's an amazing read.

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>Character A saves Character B's life
>B devotes life to serving A
>A is annoyed by B's constant servitude
>A sets up fake danger so B can "save" them and get even
>fake danger becomes real

what cartoon hasn't done this story

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>the moral is "it's better to be good than bad because evil never wins"
>this is only true because the villain has to lose every time for the plot (or they're just straight-up incompetent)
There are so many better ways to justify that message without being retarded about it. Why do writers do this?

Getting shrunk down and going inside another person.

It's just been done too many times before. There's only so many jokes you can squeeze out of it.

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what to know what grinds my gears? It is when a character get defeated by a superior fighter, then go train for two or three months, which allows them to fight said person on the same level. Despite the better fighter having trained for years and years.

Looking at you Kung-Fu Panda!!

>>82383927
Most shounen anime, too.

>>82380129
>the missing kink

>>82380250
This guy gets it

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>>82370816
>Character wishes he was never born
>Is shows what life would be like if he didn't exist
>Everyone's lives are worse without him
>He decides to stay
Or the even better variant:
>Everyone's lives are BETTER without him
>He decides he wants to stay because he realizes he likes making everyone around him miserable

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>>82370816
>One character tries to get another character to confess his feelings to his love interest
>Continues to goad him on
>At one point they are right in front of the love interest
>"Come on, you love Love Interest, right?"
>"NO I DON'T, I HATE HER AAAAAAAAH"

>>82383927
>Looking at you Kung-Fu Panda!!
Ehhh, I can see where you're coming from, but...not really, no.

First movie, Po didn't really fight the villain so much as he Deus Ex Machina'd the villain.

Second movie, the villain was still far superior to him in terms of fighting skill, but the villain's hubris was his own downfall. Plus more Deus Ex Machina in the form of "suddenly learning how to do a new move that just happens to hard-counter the villain's main weapon".

Third movie devolved into spirit world magic bullshit, so even more Deus Ex Machina.

>>82384161
>Protagonist defeats superior villain through Deus Ex Machina

>>82384309
>>82384161
Well in 1 it wasn't as bad as you think. They show that Tai Lung's main weapon was the pressure point business, not just superior fighting ability. Without his trump card he had to fight on an even field but with desperation clouding his judgement, tipping the odds in Po's favor so he could deus ex machina the finger hold.

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>It's a "forced romance between two characters who have zero chemistry" episode.

>>82381651
It wasn't as blatant, but the Gravity Falls episode was just as cringy

>>82380745
>Bonus points if reason for break up is because woman can't have kids for unexplainable reason.
What cartoons are YOU watching?

>Character A acts like a complete dick to character B. Not your usual sort of dickish behavior, more like stuff that would end friendships and alienate others.
>Character A does something sort of nice at the end; is instantly forgiven for all of the horrible stuff they did.

It's worse when it's never brought up again or other characters aren't just a little wary about it.

>>82381149
Why aren't there ever any Sikh characters? And why isn't there ever a PSA about how Sikh men in turbans aren't muslims, even though they get more harassment than actual muslim men who don't wear anything special?

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>>82370816
>it's a "someone is bothering the protagonist so thtey make a complex plan to get them to stop bothering them, instead of just FUCKING TELLING THEM TO STOP" episode

>It's a "Character B is due for some character development so he/she suddenly gets incredibly upset by something minor despite constantly being used as a metaphorical punching bag and just not caring".

just makes the character seem bipolar.

>>82377392
I hate these with a passion.

So much energy wasted.

>>82375623
This shit bothers me too. That one ep in Futurama.

>>82375731
>encouraging kids to be pushovers
>giving them false hope
faggot

>>82381017
Non-threatening to the audience.

>>82373722
>characters are playing video games
>gameplay is actually rendered with modern 3d graphics
>show is cancelled because they blew the budget creating 10 seconds of realistic gameplay footage

>space aliens/evil genius going to destroy the planet
>"humans must be killed because all they do is start wars!"
>hero convinces them to stop by showing them 2-3 people not acting like assholes.

>>82383927

DBZ in a nutshell

>>82384151

>the two of them clearly have feelings for each other.
>about to kiss.
>someone interupts them
>"WE WEREN'T,GOING TO KISS I HATE THEM!"
>spend rest of episode angry at each other for no reason.
>end episose with relarionship back at square one

>>82381630
Literally Wander Over Yonder except for the educational part

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>It's a character gets hit on the head and has amnesia episode
>Problem gets resolved by another hit on the head at the end of the episode

> it's a pacifist community that refuses to fight back even when there a nonstop M.P.R. express heading their way.

>Protagonists try to convince villagers to fight back

> Villagers refuse and believe they can calm the raging marauders' murderboner.

> Worst-case scenario the men and boys are killed while the women and girls are used as cocksleeves

> Protagonists are forced to fight the marauders anyway and they get called out for it.

Raises my B.P. to no end.

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>It's a people fight each other because MISUNDERSTANDING and never sit down or talk rationally episode

>>82374668
>>82374550
When's the last time you actually had the TV on at the right channel at the right time to accidentally see the beginning of an episode of Family Guy? For me it can't have been more recent than 2007.

>>82384086
I have only see the second case in that FOP episode.

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>its a heroes outsmart the villain but villain still wins at the end episode.

>>82386125
>Star Trek episode where Kirk goes to a planet taken over by the Klingons
>tries to get them to rise up and assert their freedom
>they don't give a fuck even when they start getting 'killed'
>Kirk gets pissed cause they're faggots and shouts at them and walks off to go hang out with his Klingon bro
>turns out the aliums were ascended beings who don't even live in material bodies all along and talk down to Kirk for trying to save them

ree?

>>82373722
>>Characters are playing video games
>>They play on modern hardware, the game has Atari graphics and sounds
>>it's an indie game

>magic vs technology
> 9 out of 10 magic > tech
> a similar scenario happens with modern military vs fantasy army
> they have swords, we have FUCKING guns. Shoot the GODDAMN wizard!

It's why GATE is in my mangalist: Dakka >magic

Also big tittied, '70s bush bunny girls

>>82375935
>villain stealing something is bad
>stealing from the villain and causing him property damage and physical harm is good

:)

>>82383441
Lots of people witness supernatural events in real life though

>>82386381
>magic vs technology
>they are somehow mutually exclusive and no one even tries to make a magic powered mecha suit with infinite ammo

>>82386576
if they happen in real life they are by definition natural events

>>82386725
no, they just have to have an origin 'beyond nature' which has a variety of meanings

for instance God is outside the universe, the natural world, and his physics-defying miracles are 'supernatural' in origin

>>82386725
Wow, you completely missed the point. People WITNESS supernatural events in real life. That has never been accepted as proof of the supernatural. There are people who have claimed to see ghosts, magic, and psychic powers in real life. That's not sufficient proof that those things are real.

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>he is the biggest, strongest, most scariest person in the show
>HE IS SO MISUNDERSTOOD!
>naturally, he is into ballerina, pink stuff, and girly stuff
>or anything feminine in general
Why can't this just die?

>>82386924
I like how Drive handled it, apparently in order to soften up the character's silent, violent and isolated nature they had synth pop playing while he was being more human compared to his cold and professional career criminal persona.
They didn't have to go all the way to the opposite side of the spectrum and show him walking around in a pink cheerleader outfit.
>Winding Refn chose to give the Driver very little dialogue and instead have him drive around listening to synthpop music, taking control when it counts
See this is the difference between someone who knows how to use various media to convey something subtly and the hacks who go for whatever cliché or stereotype will get them by.
Of course the Driver character has now lead to its own subset of clichés but that's not the point.

>>82381522
>>82385360
That's what I figured but I just think it would be nice to get a Muslim character that isn't within such a small, sympathetic mold.

>>82386381
>Also big tittied, '70s bush bunny girls
Now you got me curious.,

>>82383927
I normally agree with you but for some reason I think KP pulls it off well.

Po is basically a tank. Imagine you're playing a fighting game and you have a lot more experience and skill in it than your friend but his character has thrice the defense and thrice the health of your character.

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>Heroes murder and maim a countless amount of goons and sentient monsters to get to the main bad guy
>I WON'T KILL YOU, BAD GUY, BECAUSE THEN I'D BE JUST LIKE YOU!

>>82387120
gelbooru type in sao satoru

>I KNOW YOU'RE STILL IN THERE! YOU HAVE TO FIGHT IT!
Thank god Zootopia shit over this concept.

>It's a "MC gets cucked for a laugh" episode
It needs to be REALLY fucking funny. And even then, it's inherently a bad idea for an episode.

>>82386381
>Tech: Fighting power involves maximizing the effects of the known forces of physics.
>Magic: Fighting power does not conform to the laws of physics, and actually quite often goes out of its way to break them.
>Is somehow baffled by how most types of magic tend to outrank technology.

Also, what >>82386698 said.

>character adopts healthy lifestyle
>other characters find him annoying
>sabotage him so he goes back to being a loser so they don't have to put up with him

Just like real life.

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>protagonist encounters bully
>gets beaten up
>teachers, friends, and parents tell him to just be nice to him
>it works
>they're friends after that

Mature character leaves, immature character throws wild party, things get out of hand, mature character announces their return, immature characters have to clean everything up before they get back.

On another note, Sisters is a terrible movie.

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>it's a video game references episode

That's just lazy writing

>Character leaves group
>suddenly everything falls apart even though them being gone a week has never caused that before
>They have to come back

>>82375623
The only time this was done well was in jojo part 4

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>>82386815
Except for the fact that not really because gods and goddesses are fictional characters that don't actually exist in the real world and just about every modern miracle ever has been debunked.

>>82373476
Basically this >>82377853 in the case of that episode.

Fuck the ending of The Test though, pretty sure that one was literally what OP is talking about.

>>82386129
>They team up after
>They use their powers in a cool conjunction
makes it worth it

>>82389018
No it wasn't, that was steven learning he had to lead/help these dumb gay babies and that they were barely getting by without Rose

>>82389062
by lying to them to spare their feelings

>>82370935
that sums up most of the CW shows at least.
Arrow especially.

That would negate about 1/3 of all Arrow episodes.

>>82389111
And what would exactly saying the truth achieve?

Steven realized the test wasn't for him but for the gems. And he could either act petty and small-minded, spoiling it all - or he can be the better man and act exactly as they hoped he would just so they can feel better.

Existing in an environment where a small white lie means nothing to you (except that you had to lie, oh no) but a whole lot to other people is a part of being an adult. That so many anons here hate the episode's message just makes me think a lot of /co/ isn't emotionally fully mature yet.

>>82389448
All I can say is I'm glad not to have you as a family member. Having an honest heart to heart with the gems would have been infinitely more productive for their relationship than bullshitting them into thinking they were bullshitting him into being happy.

>>82389657
I'm sure your constant brutal honesty makes you very popular

>>82389819
It literally does. I've had people come to me for advice because they said I'm the only person they can trust to be straight with them and I'm proud of that fact.

>>82389448
Of course they're not fully emotionally mature. They like the first season of Gumball, even The Meddler.

>>82389657
Sounds like you were lucky enough never to deal with truly neurotic people, or just people who were in some really tough times (like the gems). There are situations when brutal honesty works, and there are situations when it causes the other person to fucking disintegrate or have a nervous meltdown on the spot.

>>82377669
Half of /co/ is legit retarded.

>>82389657
I'm sure it would have really helped my mom if I told her that I sobbed uncontrollably and nearly crashed my car when she got drunked and fucked a man she barely knew in the room right next to mine after my parent's divorce.

Saying "it's fine" when she apologized a few days later and never telling her how much that hurt surely ruined her life, right anon? Fuck lying, I should have told her that her actions disgusted me.

>>82385957
Generator Rex had the balls to keep him with amnesia

>>82370816

>It was the evil white guy in a business suit all along!

>>82388413
That's the most annoying and yet depressingly realistic trope there is, honestly.

>>82389111
The point was that the roles reversed and Steven finally understood where the Gems were coming from, and understood that he was now in the position where he needed to consider doing the same. Sometimes people just need to believe something. He realized that just as much as they thought he needed to believe he was useful, they needed to believe they were doing right by him. So he did what he had to do to boost their confidence.

I thought it was a great episode to showcase how mature Steven has gotten. And it's not as if it was an outright lie: he DOES need their support. Though I won't argue that the better option would be for him to talk with them, tell them that he understood what and why they were doing this, and telling them that it wasn't necessary and they could be realer with each other.

>>82390948
That's something you do afterward. If you do it right then, you're hurting them more for literally no reason.

>>82391049
Depends how you do it, I think. It seemed to me that when Steven realized why they were doing this, he appreciated that they were looking out for him like that. He's a charismatic kid, he could figure out how to frame it so it didn't hurt. Come from a place of appreciation of their intent, and it won't be inherently hurtful.

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>character finds their present life boring
>lives ideal life
>misses old life because ideal life is boring

>>82384161
You don't know what a Deus Ex Machina is. Po won in the first movie because he played on Tai Lung's obsession with the scroll, and both one and two the methods were heavily foreshadowed, with two having the technique being the main focus of the damn movie. Nothing in the trilogy came out of nowhere, each technique was foreshadowed at some point, which is not a Deus Ex machina by definition.

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>>82384521
Fucking Hey Arnold, that was the worst example of this shit.

>>82391171
I always thought that Tai Lung losing was because of Tai Lung's own weaknesses as much as, if not more than, Po's strength. Tai Lung was completely thrown off by the scroll being empty because everything he worked for and suffered for and became hinged on what was in that scroll.

I do think that fingerhold was a bit of a Deux Ex Machina, but that was the whole joke of it.

>>82384521
>What is every episode of CW shows?

>>82391088
Or he could just...not be retarded and take a chance for no reason and just be nice for a little while before tackling the problem?

Seriously, why is it such a big deal that he needs to be direct in that exact second?

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>>82388876
Bibbity Boppity Boo
Here's your (you)

>>82391392
I wasn't arguing that he shouldn't wait. I'm just saying that there are ways he could have done it in the moment that wouldn't have been very hurtful. Why is it such a big deal that this is the case?

>>82390457
You probably should've told her anon, especially if she almost got you killed because of it. What would lying even achieve in a situation like this by repressing it?

>>82381717
>it's a "love beats the big bad" episode
Fucking G Gundam man.

>>82386885
did they witness them or just claim to witness them? make up your mind.

>>82383441
fucking Kaiba still doesn't believe in magic even after witnessing it

>>82388615
>it's an anime reference episode
>the only anime are it references are DBZ, Sailor Moon and Speed Racer

>>82383833
spongebob

>>82391231
>adult swim
wait what show is this

>it's a Christmas episode
>Santa gets injured and can't deliver presents
>It's up to the protagonists to save Christmas

>>82392053
Other than Powerpuff Girls, what are some cartoons that reference mecha shows?

>>82392113
Fuck you I like this

>>82380322
Fuck you it's a top 10 episode

>>82392139
Weirdly enough I think Regular Show has done it a couple times, I'm pretty sure it even parodied the intro to Evangelion to an extent.

>>82377669
>>82380322
>>82380404
Does it always have to be about the message though? I think that episode is interesting if only because it shows Steven's response in this situation. You don't have to agree with his choice for it to be a form of character development.

>>82377706
I've known this was bullshit since I was eight
>>82370896
The girls always win because having the boys win is sexist obviously
>>82386280
And they fucked it up bad
>>82385717
>Humans kill, so I am completely justified in killing them
>>82387304
>Refuses to kill villain that is guaranteed to break out of prison and kill thousands of more innocent people because "muh morals" means more than thousands of innocent people

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>episode starts out explaining how strong the friendship between two of the characters is
>they undergo an extremely simple test of friendship
>over the course of the episode they come to hate each other

>It's a "nerd character points out all the common tropes used in the show" episode.

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>Smart character is explaining something sciency
>"In English, please."

>>82374090
Gintama had that, but they only started to behave like that when the gender cult threatened to never reverse it if they didn't do it.

>>82385394
American Dad actually used up most of their budget for a season to do that. Not with 3D graphics but same general idea.

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>>82392996
>The science is wrong

>>82392083
It's the pilot called Whoopass Girls. Funny enough, Fuzzy Lumpkins was the first villain in the show.

>>82393164
Oh, huh. I never knew it aired on adult swim, interesting.

>>82393132
Nigga don't even get me started on wrong science
>that Jimmy Neutron episode where they go back to dinosaur times
>200 million years ago is apparently the late fucking cretaceous
>leptictidium lives alongside dinosaurs and is one of the first mammals to evolve
>t. rex's skull could crack fucking diamonds
That episode pissed me off as a kid so much

>>82382793
I.C.Wiener?

To quote Plague of Gripes

'Cartoon life lesson: "You like me, but isn't being a friend better?" "You're right! I'll change how I feel to fit your comfort zone!" Right.'

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> It's a Prince and the Pauper episode

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>>82393419
>It's a Prince(ess) and the Pauper sub-plot in the best entry in the franchise

>>82373996
it's over used anon and you know it

>>82373996
>It's a body swap episode
>The characters' voices swap too
Literally the worst

>>82373591
>it doesn't mean that the liar should be vilified.
People have a right to be angry when they've knowingly been lied to.

>>82392257
not to mention transformers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnGnS_sblR8

>>82394139
It's too bad that happens 95% of the time,

>>82394139
>>82394300

I was surprised when Sonic Boom opted for the other method.

>>82394139
This is easily the worst part of any body swap episode. I usually like those episodes otherwise. Are there any cartoons where the voices stay with the body? I think Shin Chan did it once but no other cartoons come to memory.

It just feels like wasted potential. You have talented voice actors, have them play the roles of the other characters.

>>82394139
The only episode I remember them not doing this was the Justice League one, and it worked so well because Lex and Flash spoke so differently from each other that you could tell who was who just from tone and articulation.

>>82391950
That's the point; it's impossible to know. With no physical evidence you can't tell whether any given person os lying or not. Even if you could somehow read minds, human perception is imperfect. Someone might fully believe they saw something when they didn't, or maybe they saw something else and jumped to conclusions.

>>82394343
Justice League Unlimited is the go-to example.

>character holds off important information becasue their afraid how other character will react
>things inevitably get worse
>information is revealed at last/worst possible moment
>other character makes a damn fuss over it usually rightfully so
>everything would have been fine if everyone was fucking honest with each other
This happens way too much in media.

>>82392923
That would actually be a good episode if that ever happened.

>>82392923
>>82394566
Community did it a lot

>>82375623
Black people do it all the time.

>>82395781
Well yeah, black athletes.

>>82396246
And lottery winners.

>>82377392

>every rugrats episode

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>Hero finally gets the upper hand on irredeemable bad guy after seasons-long struggle to do so
>"I won't kill you because I'm better than that"
>Bad guy inevitably escapes and resumes killing and raping innocents

>>82387074
REAL HUMAN BEING

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>joke villain is sick of being a joke villain

>trains to become stronger

>gets better equipment

>gets defeated for stupid reasons

>joke villain goes back to being a joke villain

>>82381666
due, you gotta see it from their perspective, some of them already have lives and things they can do, they're usually not losers like us who have nothing to contribute to society/don't do much, so they don't seek that type of life, especially if it'll get them killed but i hate that shit too desu familia

>>82388705
this only works when played for laughs, like that episode of KND when number one was gone for a few days and as soon as he left all their villains started attacking and number 4 took over

>>82389819
dude, when you're brutally honest in real life, a bunch of people come up to you for advice and shit, also
>Caring about being popular
literally end yourself my dude

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>>82370816
>some event traps main characters in close proximity
>to pass the time,they tell each other 2-5 minute long stories that serve as character trivia or lazy development

>>82397330
what
nigga those episodes are great
name the one you didn't like

>>82390457

You're a bitch just like your mom.

>>82397330
Hey fuck you, that was a really good episode of Over the Garden Wall.

>>82377538
what episode?

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>>82397080
>villain has a new foolproof plan that blows all their previous plans out of the water
>it fails due to some ridiculous once-in-a-lifetime plot element
>the villain never tries that plan again

>>82398526
>villain has a new foolproof plan that blows all their previous plans out of the water
>it fails due to some ridiculous once-in-a-lifetime plot element
>the villain tries the same plan with a new twist that accounts for the ridiculous plot element
>unfortunately it exposes a completely new fatal flaw and they still get their ass kicked

>>82396716
that was cool

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>>82399667
Kuuga's a pretty good show.

>>82394357
That show is gold.

>>82399929
>that filename

>>82392996
Duckman did something similar but to a better effect
>they're English words Duckman
>well we don't LIVE in England? do we?

>>82396716
>>82397080
What if an irredeemable villain was spared, but in such an embarrassing manner that they become a joke villain?

>>82386295
Love those
https://youtu.be/tmBR7B6sIvw

>>82386295
David Xanatos in a nutshell.

>>82402032
But the hero won at the end of that episode.

>>82402079
The part where he gets hit with the UV amplifier was longer than I wanted.

>>82373864
>Siding with your friends just because friendship
Human garbage

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>>82404232
>Not trusting your friends

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>antagonist captures the protagonist
>with the protagonist being restrained, the antagonist can easily kill him without a fight
>decides the tell the protagonist his life story for ten minutes which is more than enough time for the MC's friends to rescue him

>>82404318
My friends are pieces of shit.
But also, friendship doesn't magically make a person right.

>>82404368
i know that anon, it's just that usually, if you know someone for a long ass time, you usually at least check out that person just in case they're right. and sorry about your friends being shit anon i could be your friend

>character has to pick between best friend and ambition
>its better to be a loser with friends than advance youself, ever

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>>82404330
>Same thing happens when the protagonists capture the antagonist

>>82404424
If you know someone for a long time, you also know when they are full of shit. But I guess that's a moot point when your potential friend pool is higher so you don't have to take what you can get.

>>82370896

This.

I'm getting tired of feminazi propaganda leaking into cartoons.

It's not funny, it's sexist; boy's shouldn't have to feel bad being a boy after watching a stupid cartoon.

> main character has a crush on ______
> various cringe shenanigans ensue

>>82399541
ppg?

>>82404751
NATURE OF LOVE

>>82404751
>CW shows in a nutshell

>characters get stuck in elevator
>they decide to take a stroll down memory lane

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>>82375731
>kids should be content to be beta faggots constantly stepped on by bullies
kys

>>82388498
This actually happened to me irl. Bullied by a kid, it gets to the point where the principal is about to expel him if he keeps this shit up, so he eases up.

>Start egtting along with him
>Be friends by the time we finally graduate
>Lend him money one time when he was struggling, wiuthout expecting anything in return
>Don't talk to him again for a few years
>Find out he got stabbed to death during a bar fight

>It's a "literally me" episode
>Protagonist doesn't kill himself at the end.

>>82404672
>boy's shouldn't have to feel bad being a boy after watching a stupid cartoon.

Feminazis seem to think so.

Also while we're on the subject:

>Girl power episode
>Girls finally get to kick ass for an episode

I don't see how more feminists aren't going after these kinds of episodes because it implies female characters can't do shit outside of their own special snowflake episode, not to mention a poor attempt by the writers to save their asses from SJWs. Either have them do shit throughout a series or nothing at all. There is no middle ground.

>>82385717
>Hero fails to convince them and has to stop the villains with force, proving their point and ending the episode on a low note

>>82381651
TTG is the cartoon of a general anon. You can't exclude it just because you grew up and it's satire no longer appeals to your mature taste

For those complaining about boys vs girls, Rick & Morty, Family Guy, and South Park subverts that shit hard

>>82381910
>I think Avatar handled this well.

I don't. It only becomes tolerable when Toph is there to counter Katara's bullshit.

>>82380293
>The inverse of this is just as bad, though in my experience less common.

When does that ever happen?

>billionaires can be heroes while they make money off the exploitation of the workers
They are the villains

>>82408986
>Family Guy

This is a given since they've been doing that shit since the beginning.

>South Park

I'd say you were right but then again Breast Cancer Show Ever

>>82381917
Shit, I should get back to Ashita no Nadja.

>>82388615
Teen Titans Go has an episode literally titled Video Game References.

>>82374201
half the time when characters are trying to hang out with their friends, and their friends are all busy, its because

>theyre planning a surprise party for said friend

this happened on mlp and i think ruby gloom also

>>82370816
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTw0YIAXpfs

This episode then?

>Burthday gacha implimented
>Sakura's is one of the later ones
>Will probably have all the future limited cards she'll have that I'll most likely not get
Looks like there's little point in rolling anymore. Gonna save up all my gems and roll all of that crap during then.

It's not like I'll miss out on stuff considering the game has been going full powercreep since Halloween.

Maybe I'll roll Sadone and Hinata's as well.

>>82409370
>Breast Cancer Show Ever
I'm pretty sure 90% of people wanted Cartman to get the shit beaten out of him at that point.

>>82370816
every episode of the cw

>>82383927
Freeza in DB Super/Resurrection of F does this. Gets revived, trains for....what, a month or maybe 4 months at most? And is now on the same level as Goku/Vegeta who are reaching literal god tier levels of strength and it still took them years and years to reach that point.

>Characters think the other one has it easier.
>They switch roles.
>They act like braindead retards fir plot convienence
>"Your life sucks too"

Also, what does CW stand for?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciWAI1YUxLA

>>82375731
This is impressively bad! Wow! Thank God you don't write for shows.
Also, fuck you. I love "bullied kid lashes out" plots.