One of the stupidest articles I've ever read

>>82354387
>have diversity titles, they sell like shit
>your fault, shitlord
>stop having diversity titles, because they sell like shit
>your fault, shitlord

Where were you when Marvel died from movies and SJWs?

>>82354387
What all sides of the issue fail to take into account is the fact that no one buys comics.

>themarysue

Why are you reading anything from that frigid shithole to begin with?

>>82354506

I was reading it because of the whole Tilda Swinton as Ancient One controversy. I remembered how when it was first announced they were all like
>bbbbut that's Tilda Swinton, and you have to use her!

And then after the trailer came out they all screamed "whitewashing!". I thought it was hypocritical how they changed viewpoints to suit their narrative.

And then I happened to end up on this article.

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>>82354387
>the reason for low sales of diverse comics isn’t so simple. It’s based on multiple factors including accessibility, affordability, and a lack of general knowledge that such diversity is even out there.

Whoa what the fuck look at this crazy SJW.

crazy bitch, taking crazy pills

>>82354675
They aren't wrong, but that's just the reason for low comic sales overall. Especially affordability and accessibility.

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>>82354387

>>82354387
I forget, did themarysue have an article or two that side eyed DCYou before the books came out?

I know some people did but I can't remember if they were the ones that did.

>>82354387
If it's any consolation, neckbeards are totally retarded too.

>>82354462

>marvel died from movies

Marvel comics are an IP farm for Disney, sorry for your loss.

>Even television shows like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. aren’t as diverse as they could be

2 of the main characters are Asian women, you dumb fucking cunt

>>82354919
Nobody cares about minorities any more, diversity means that everyone is gay.

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Can we finally agree Norman Osborn was right?

>>82354919
>as they could be
To be fair they COULD get rid of or race change all the white people
but they already have non white people so they don't feel the need to do it

>>82354919
and all the black guysT(R.I.P)

>>82354387
They're kid of like Hollywood that way. They say they care about others but constantly cast brunette and blonde caucasians as the leads in EVERYTHING. It's not even just minorities who get fucked over. Unless you're Domhall Gleason, you better not be a red haired caucasian otherwise you're not getting cast for shit. Some African Americans break through but most get caught at the "magical negro ceiling. Even all times greats like Morgan Freeman" have spent their careers giving pep talks to far less talented assholes like Gerard Butler. And if you're Native American, westerns and nothing but westerns, And even than don't expect to play Tonto. In all these cases we have examples of hypocrisy by the far left. The far right may be full of bigoted, small minded assholes but at least they're honest about it.

>>82354954
Why the fuck should they they? Oh thats right - "people of color" only means "black"

>>82355031
>the far left
>in USA
lol

>>82354946
Even gay isnt a big deal anymore. Now its all about the trannies

>>82355071
Gay, tranny, it's all the same to me.

>>82355036
Where did you get black from?

>>82355091
TRIGGERED

>>82354675
>>82354720
Yeah, affordability and accessibility is a problem for comics overall.

However...

>and a lack of general knowledge that such diversity is even out there.

Isn't this what a lot of sites like the Mary Sue are supposed to help with?

>>82355107
Presumably from past experience of being kept down by those mean minorities.

>>82355036
Why are you assuming that they only meant black characters?

Hugo Strange was made into an asian guy

>>82355091
I shudder to think what's next

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>>82355167
Hopefully it's thin attractive women, they're being oppressed now

>>82355107
The author is a black woman - even without looking at her credit, "Latonya" is a dead giveaway. She vemoans the lack of people of color in AoS, despite there being 2 Asians leading the show. When black SJWs talk about "people of color", they dont mean Hispamics, Asians, or Native Americans - they mean just blacks

Funny how you guys have the power to be behind every "sjw" 's shoulder to know if they buy comics or not

Comic distribution is fucked tho

>>82355184
Zootopia and GotG are to blame.

>>82355184
Wait, is that Germany under all those pins? what the fuck is going on there?

>>82355107
95% of the time "diversity" or "people of color" are brought up as terms, it just means "we want more black people". Occasionally it might mean "we want a couple more white women".

>>82355306
Jewish revenge

>>82355306
Do you seriously not know a map of Europe when you see it?

>>82355385
I know, but I still don't get why there is a massive cluster of furries in germany?

>>82355184
Frogs are fighting the good fight.

>>82355428
>I know
>>82355306
>is that Germany

>>82355184
>tfw my country has single furry
We still stone our gays, God knows what people would do to him.

>>82355184
>There are people who don't want Islam to come and purge this degeneracy

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>this shit again


Also why the fuck do you people read gutter trash SJW sites MarySue and ComicsAllience anyway? You all just love being angry I bet

>>82354387
>Reading clickbait
>Posting clickbait
pls stop

>>82354387
The article this was in response to was shit though. comicsbeat did a rundown tearing the article apart.

It didn't account at all for Digital or trade sales and only looked at the Diamond index for its analysis.

And it is the fault of the companies. readers want more diversity but they do fuck all to promote it. What little they have is handed off the back benches to draw and write and when called on the shit quality of books or is the most transparent BS ever conceived IE Whor and Black Cap.

>>82355153
And they made Iris and Wally West black. But they arent the leads, and thats what the author here wants - black people as the star, for no reason other than their race

>>82355517
>>82355565
Stop advertising your butthurt and report. The more people know it makes you react, the more it'll be posted.

>>82354387
Huh? That article sounds right to me. Haven't comic sales been dwindling long before Marvel and DC started their diversity initiatives?

>>82355186

thick curvy bitches > sticks

>>82354387
>It's funny how they'll demand diversity, yet have no commitment in supporting titles of that nature, or comics in general. But they'll always be willing to give their two cents on subjects they don't take a part in.

Same with soccer moms of old. Demand things be changed to more wholesome family entertainment, without really caring afterwards about the changes. Their job is done. What matters is pushing their ideals onto others.

>>82355653
For real. I need some Christina Hendricks sized tits in my live-action shows

http://www.comicsbeat.com/comics-and-diverse-characters-where-the-sales-are/

Better response from an actual site that analysis comic sales.

>>82355517

Because on the Internet, the gutter trash voice of The Mary Sue gets amplified 1000%.

They'll take bullshit problems and make mountains out of molehills.

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>>82355184
DELETE THIS

>>82355653
Why is it that defenders of fat always jump to euphemisms immediately?

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>>82354387
>there are still less respectable comic shops that can discourage female comic book readers.

Let's face it, she has a point here.

>>82355806
Which shops are these?

>>82355816
No, Marvels CEO gave his personal money, not the company's

>>82355514
>Wanting middle easterns from the middle ages to come and rape your women and purge you of anything less than a puritanical society
You and the SJWs can fuck off on this.

>>82355859
Yes, personal money he made from Marvel.

>>82355887
Which is his right. If you work for Disney, and donate to Sanders, it doesnt mean Disney now supports Sanders

>>82354387
don't post links to Mary Sue. don't give them clicks.

>>82355806
>us strong independent womyn ain't afraid of no stinky misogynerds
>plz, nerd overlords, plz no bully us ;_;

Make up your mind, women.

>>82355933
>it doesnt mean Disney now supports Sanders
Good luck convincing the general public.
>Which is his right
So you're OK with him helping Trump? Suspicious.

>>82355816
no, they don't. stop being a moron.

>>82355933
this.

>>82356010
Im ok with anyone donating money to whatever canidate they want. It's THEIR money - if they want to piss it away on shitty candidates, thats their right.

>>82355806
I don't think there are too many shops that can afford to shy away any customers.

>>82354387
>/co/ points out for years that the regular "direct market" is flawed, killing good books with its shortcomings.
>Everyone is generally in agreement.
>"Feminist" site points out exactly the same thing
>Called the stupidest article ever because it invokes women & diversity.

>>82356081
>>82356046
Remember that the money you give to Disney goes to Trump; but if you like Trump, it's your problem not mine.

>>82356082
To be fair, lots of shops tend to be run by spazzes.

>>82356128
Which ones?

>>82356093
I'm disappointed when books I like are cancelled but I don't expect publishers to piss away money on something that isn't making money.

>>82354387
>ITT: nobody reads the article

They're saying that the "low comic sales" is a bit of a misnomer because it only counts direct market sales, while a lot of readers are more likely to buy digitally or purchase trades at bookstores.

So basically what /co/ agrees with all along.

>>82354748
Sites like TMS have a MASSIVE bias against DC. It's bizarre.

>>82356117
Sorry, thats not how logic works

>>82356117
>Remember that the money you give to Disney goes to Trump

That's a false dichotomy.

Ike Perlmutter is a millionaire and his money would be going Trump regardless of his emplyment.

Purchasing a comic book does not directly or indirectly support Donald Trump.

>>82356220
We're talking about Trump, after all.

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>>82356117

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>>82356261
But it does, anon. And surely MCU money helps Trump too.

>>82356159
>I don't expect publishers to piss away money on something that isn't making money.

For the record, DC published Jonah Hex at a loss for years on principle.

Likewise Gotham Central was basically DOA but given leeway.

And Marvel is infamous for pushing Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel by now.

If companies have an agenda they can afford an investment on occasion.

>>82355443
Maybe they're just tired of being called Frogs.

>>82356320
>But it does, anon.

Repeating a logical fallacy does not grant it authenticity.

>And surely MCU money helps Trump too.

Again, no. Ike Perlmutter, an independently wealth man, made a donation to Donald Trump.

Ike could continue to make donations regardless of his employer. He is very rich.

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>>82355750
I can't do that friend

>>82356403
>Repeating a logical fallacy does not grant it authenticity.
And yet it's working for Unca Donald...
>Ike could continue to make donations regardless of his employer
I don't think so; he's greedy enough to look for other ways of giving money without losing it. Such as donating marvelfans' money.

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>>82356320
Did WB hire you to try and run a counter smear champagne against Disney?

>>82356489
>everybody who trolls me is making money
Do we need to do this?

>>82356489
>champagne
Good one, angry Trump supporter.

>>82356489
>talk to some friends no, seriously
>someone mentions Civil War
>hide my power level and tell them that I heard the Marvel people endorse Trump
>they believe me and tell Marvel to go fuck themselves
I did my patriotic duty.

>>82356201
DC should man up and start suing those sites for libel and slander.

>>82354387

the premise of the original article this is based on

https://popcultureuncovered.com/2016/04/18/comics-youve-got-your-diversity-so-why-dont-you-buy-them/

is completely flawed because

1. as far as we know from the diamond top 200 diversity comics are selling about as well as non-diversity comics were selling

Like, i hate whor, and you hate whor, but whor is currently selling about as well as thor was selling at this time in his most recent run.

2. we don't know what the digital sales are, because dc and marvel don't give a fuck about telling us, so we have no idea how well anything is selling

3. even if diversity comic sales were lower than sales before diversity comics, we don't know that disney would give a shit, maybe they're 100% willing to take a hit to sales for the sake of shilling Holy Diversity. it's not like this is the movies or anything that matters.

>>82356683
Steve Orlando had a comment on this sort of thing recently on twitter. Too lazy to dig for it but basically digital sales don't matter much at all with how things are paid out.

>>82356683
>maybe they're 100% willing to take a hit to sales for the sake of shilling Holy Diversity
Wrong. The comics are irrelevant except as future movie pitches.

>>82356201

it's completely straightforward and expected

the mary sue is a diversity shill site, dc shills diversity less hard than marvel

like they may give cyborg a push or introduce black wally west but they aren't introducing black teenage superman or blonde female batman or butch dyke wonder woman.

so mary sue shits on dc more than they shit on marvel

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>>82354387
>stupidest articles I've read
>themarysue
There's your first problem.

>>82356968
>Wrong. The comics are irrelevant except as future movie pitches.

which is one of the reasons they would be willing to take a hit to sales for the sake of shilling Holy Diversity

>>82357019
>dc shills diversity less hard than marvel

They had an article where they literally said DC was trying too hard with their diversity.

>>82357161
Because TMS thinks that it's wrong if DC does it.

>>82357079
I don't think they care enough.

>>82354387
Never forget that TMS publishes inflamatory shit on purpose because it's the only way they can get an audience

>I dropped in flagrant half-truths and lies, interpreted events in the broadest, most negative light imaginable, and tried my very best to make every objection I raised to include as much racism, sexism, and in the case of Tifa, body-shaming as possible.

>But because it was from a feminist perspective, that was a-ok.

https://medium.com/listen-to-my-story/what-i-learned-as-feminist-critic-sandy-beaches-f1ee45a7e0aa#.hrdh2z1jq

>>82355070
Different political beliefs can exist within the same country. Someone obviously hasn't been or read on anything outside their little shithole.

>>82356769
here it is

https://twitter.com/thesteveorlando/status/722100174273830912

>>82357313
>Different political beliefs can exist within the same country.
That's not what the polling stations say, boyo.

>>82356683
>>82355727
>>82355581
I think the original article and the Beat article are both flawed in some ways. The Pop Culture article for example doesn't mention how Ms. Marvel is also doing well in Bookscan's sales list (Vol 1 was the second most ordered last year after Millar's Civil War; Vol 2 and 3 are also in the top 10 ordered Marvel GNs for bookstores) and Heidi brings up the top twenty orders on Bookscan list where more than half of those books not usually associated with the graphic novel section (Dork Diaries is usually set in the children's book section). It feels like a whole lot of arguments are overlapping.

>>82356683
>whor is currently selling about as well as thor was selling

i was wrong, thor was at about 35k two years ago, whor is at about 55k now

so hey, eat shit male thor, the market has spoken

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>>82357161

I don't believe you

>>82357369
God this comparison always annoys the shit out of me.

Look at how much publicity Whor had to get a running start, while Thor was getting by just fine off nothing.

>>82357338
But sold book is sold book. What's the difference?

>>82357510
ask him

>>82357385

they'll probably start putting whor into the cartoons

they'll probably make a whor movie

(which won't even be a big loss because the thor movies have been shit)

then the whor comics will get even more popular off her movie success, so male thor will stay extra extra extra dead.

>>82354387
>But they'll always be willing to give their two cents on subjects they don't take a part in.

Yes, yes, we know. /co/ doesn't actually read comics. Wait, what were you talking about?

>>82354462
Marvel died ten years ago, people are just starting to notice the stink.

>>82357481
>was getting by just fine

by which you mean "selling 20k less"

the fact is that Whor got all that publicity, and because of that publicity it's getting 20k more in sales than thor was getting, so tough shit for thor

>>82357338
>payment structure on [trade and digital] books means they can't help a book stay alive in most cases
so how do the publishers manage to make no money at all from selling comics in the format /co/ buys them in?

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>>82357551
stop it

>>82357610
8 years ago, actually. When DnA's cosmic run ended.

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>>82357637
>>82357551
>>82357369

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>>82357551
it's the future we chose

>>82357510
The difference is that the company has to have money come in on a monthly basis, because they're paying artists. (The reason some people don't do indies is because you CAN make more money off them if it's successful, but it's all on the back end, and you have to eat--WFH is a steady monthly paycheck. If you have a writer who has made enough bank to be able to pay a big page rate upfront, like BKV does for Fiona Staples, that's something else.) So the floppy sales come in quickly and let you cover expenses without going into a hole; the digital stuff pays quarterly, I believe.

>>82357637
Alright I'm talking to someone who can't put two and two together, got ya.

>>82357770
>the digital stuff pays quarterly
What a robbery.
Thanks for shedding some light. Comics business is shit place to be.

>>82357451
You're right. My bad. The article was about how insincere DC's diversity push was, because they had a few minority characters all being written and drawn by white dudes.

>>82357637
>>82357551
>>82357369

If you really want to talk about sales, the last time anyone really gave a shit about thor as a comic was the JMS shit which sold around 100,000 a month from issues 1-12 + 600

So by that measure if they really want thor to sell, they should

>Get rid of Odin (and also thor's shitty boring mom(s)? they weren't around then either)

>Make Thor king of Asgard

>have him put Asgard in the middle of the midwestern United States and tell the US Government to suck a dick

>beat the shit out of Tony Stark

In fact sales took a big hit following issue 600, which is where they pulled that really stupid shit where thor left asgard and baldr became king

So if you want to talk about what people are willing to buy 100,000 copies of a comic book about it's specifically about thor being the blond white patriarchal king of asgard who bosses everyone around and tells people what to do and generally exhibiting Apex White Privilege.

>>82358198

Oh and I forgot:

give loki a really juicy pair of tits

that is, by our best available measurement, the shit that people really want to see

>>82355581
>readers want more diversity
False.

> but they do fuck all to promote it.
Also false. Marvel announced Whor on the fucking view for fuck sakes. And they paraded that racist cunt Coates around like he was a dancing bear.

>>82355806
If socially awkward geeks make you stay away from an entire medium of entertainment then you don't deserve to read comics.

>>82358744
>deserve
Because reading comics is a privilege, right? A white one, I'm sure.

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>>82356139

Tons of comic shops are like this.

>>82358922
actually, it is. it's a fucking luxury. no one is entitled to free fucking entertainment, and definitely no one is required to provide it to YOU.

>>82358198
>>82358244
Wow. I missed out by not reading that run.

>>82358989
Well, too bad because I pirate comics; thus I can read them without entering into those cesspools called comic shops.

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>>82355031
>Unless you're Domhall Gleason, you better not be a red haired caucasian otherwise you're not getting cast for shit.

But if you dye your hair, all the sjw tumblerinas will suddenly love you, right?

>>82358922
heres your (You)

>>82358968
jeez what a couple of shitlords

>>82358198
>>82358244

it's worth noting that every comic in the top 15 as of march 2016 is led by white males, with the one exception of movie superstar black widow coming in at 15th

It's also worth noting that all of the top 15 with no exceptions have successful movie/tv franchises, which is maybe a bigger deal.

>>82359000

the one where he beats the fuck out of iron man is sensational

someone should storytime it

>>82359029
Bendysnatch and Hiddleston are gingers?

>>82359069
is it really?

>>82358968
kek dudes right even if he shouldnt be a dick about it.
I go into my local shop semi frequently and have seen them be straight up dicks to people because theyre casuals or have pleb opinions it's funny but holy shit .

>>82357369
it's selling better than fraction thor and worse than JMS thor.

more or less what you'd expect.

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Who needs quality when you can strive for 'equality'.

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>>82358922
>Because reading comics is a privilege, right?

Damn right it is.

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>>82359343
Confirmed.

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>>82358968
Boo fucking hoo.

>>82354465
I don't blame them.
Too much money for too little content.

They should just do away with floppies for good and only sell trades. Maybe thicker magazines with one or two chapters from several comics to give people trial runs and see if they'd be interested in buying them.

>>82355184
Proof that Germany should have been nuked.

>>82359297
thats hilarious. That's like advertising that you are gullible there to be taken advantage of.

>>82359297

>bitches that women don't support woman comics

>bitches when women support woman comics

oh /co/

>>82358968
>things that never happened irl.jpg

>>82359576
/co/ isn't a person you know

>>82359657
No, it's a hivemind.

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>>82355136
>Isn't this what a lot of sites like the

Mary Sue are supposed to help with?
They do. But SJWs don't buy comics. They just like to read articles about them then praise or complain accordingly.

If you read the article, the author admits to buying possibly just one comic a year because she typically doesn't want to spend money on them despite telling people not to blame the target audience for not buying the books.

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You know what would be great?

If they made Benes the artist on A-Force and it just shot to the top of the sales charts.

>>82359611
anon it was in a webcomic that's practically video evidence

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>>82354387

>Implying comic sales are down

Only for the big 2. They're up for just about everyone else

>>82359870
>Imagay shill: ACTIVATED

>>82354462
isn't going to happen. Star wars single handily kept DH going. Between that and Spidey and X-fags that are masochists, Marvel is indestructible.

>>82359933
>Star wars single handily kept DH going
Nice bullshit, bro. SW wasn't even a 10% of their total sales.

>>82354721
disappointed???? that shitty SJW comics fail!

>>82354946
And not just gay but GAY!!!!! Oh and bash on white people. Can't not attack whitey.

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>>82355167

Whatever "progressive" cause liberals can get behind to keep up their smug attitudes so they can keep believing they're the champions of the oppressed. Trannies makes up .05% of the world population, but they'd have you believe its closer to 25%

>>82355306
I remember reading an article a few years ago about danish farmers renting their farm to Swede zoophiliac tourists so that they could fuck their animals.

google bestiality brothels

>>82355668

It really is asinine that the MCU finally made Falcon cool again, and they didn't try to make him cool in the comics

>>82355121
>>82355107

GTFO tumblr

>>82360035
Denmark has always been Sweden's bitch.

>>82355191
but they do it to rally all 30 percent of america those groups represent. comics, if anything are vastly over saturated with minorities.

>>82358968

Whats the problem with this?
retailers always make observations about customers

>>82355514
>>82355866
I kindof want to give them west Europe and the people on the west coast. Its like letting two assholes get into a bitch down. they deserve one another.

>>82360153
it's bad customer service you wait til they're out of earshot to shit talk them.

>>82357019
so why should dc pander AT ALL? I mean if your competition goes after one small part of the market you don't do that. fucking set up your own niche!

>>82355653
curvy and thicc doesn't mean fat and obese tho

>>82359461
I'd be down with quarterly releases.

And would reclassifying them as magazines allow them to get away from the Diamond cartel?

>>82357369
whor has the writer as two years ago. In order for a proper comparison you would have to go all the way before Aaron was on the title. JMS or Fraction. Those numbers show that whor doesn't sell as well as people think. She's been boosted by constant renumbering, consistent creative control, and company support beyond that enjoyed by any of the post civil war Thor runs.

>>82354720
>>82354675
On some levels it could be a thing of wanting Diverse Comics, but not badly enough to spend $4 an issue and waiting for trades.

Kinda like how some people crow about Supporting Local Business but stop short at actually shopping at them.

>>82354465
Its weird because book stores are on the rise and "graphic novels" are stable. How can comic book stores be struggling? are they really too uninviting to normies or is the whole comic book industry so rotten that they can't capitalize on a clear and present demand.

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>>82357369
>male thor

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>>82355184
>be originally from Sicily
>see this
Warms my hearts

>>82357551
portman has been great as jane, also after hank pyms treatment, I think the movies would do whor right.

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>>82360539
>portman has been great as jane
>wanting a Whor movie

>>82354675
Wait is the entire comic book industry not selling? Otherwise that doesnt work as an excuse

>>82357369
I like Thot, but Thor will be back for Ragnarok

>>82360539
I didn't believe shill posts were a thing until I read this.

>>82359965
it sold gangbusters, look at the sheer volume SW books. After the speculator bubble, those books where a big part of keeping on the lights.

>>82360637
Proof or poof.

>>82359069
>which is maybe a bigger deal.
It's not, only Indies titles get boosted from shows and movies.

>>82360614
>Wait is the entire comic book industry not selling? Otherwise that doesnt work as an excuse

The success of the MCU and the purchase of Star Wars by Disney has only in this last year reversed the long trend of declining comic book sales.

DC helped with the New 52 which was a financial success, but Star Wars was the real gamechanger.

you people are masochists. why is there an sjw thread on here at all times.

>>82360609
no, I think it would be cool. Jane could watch thor 'die' and then have to go on a quest with Sif to retrieve him from hela. It would be cool.

>>82360707
>Star Wars was the real gamechanger
True. Now, Marvel minus SW equals nothing.

>>82360656
or poop. whatever, look at the SW numbers.

>>82360692

They're kinda the new speculator bubble. All these people fleeing the big two think they can Kirkman their IP.

>>82360744
I hope they pay you for this so you can buy caps

>>82360789
>look at the SW numbers
Post them.

>>82360489
Diamond.

>>82358968
What really gets me is that in the description of this comic she said something like "I wanted to read Lobo because my friend worked on it, but so what if were just because he's sexy? You can't judge me for that!" and that post was sandwiched between two "Sexualization of women in comics is evil and you shouldn't read it" posts.

>>82360901
>, but so what if were just because he's sexy? You can't judge me for that!" and that post was sandwiched between two "Sexualization of women in comics is evil and you shouldn't read it" posts.

Tumblr in a nutshell.

>>82358968

>true opinions

>weh weh

lol females right

>>82358198
JMS's Thor sold well because it was JMS writing Thor, back when JMS still had star power AND had a promise that Thor would be self-contained with an embargo that basically said, outside of Loki, the entire cast of characters could not be used by other writers.

>>82360831
No, stop being lazy.

>>82359461
They do that and Marvel and DC would be dead in a year.

Suck it fag. Without monthly comics, there is no comics. Even Ellis (who is the patient zero for your wrong logic) eventually had to recant his blasphemy when all of his books kept getting cancelled on him due to his cult only buying TPBs and he had to start yelling at them to buy the monthly floppy of there would not even BE a trade of his books to buy!

>>82359611

but people talked about it on their twitters, which is exactly the same, you sealion

>>82360963
Aaron is a big indie writer too. And Thor sold well because JMS knocked it out of the fucking park.

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>>82361026
>I have no proof

Gee, appealing to an internet crowd that pirates music, whines about paying for games, and bug artists to do their requests for free aren't buying comics?

Gee, whoda thunk?

>>82361054
No one gives a fuck about Aaron except when he was writing Wolverine and the X-Men. Outside that book, he's a literally who nobody.

JMS on Thor was his big follow-up to Amazing Spider-Man

>>82361154
>never read Scalped
Casuals will always be this hilarious.

>>82355727
I love Comics Beat

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>>82355727
>Spamvertised - Registered at GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.

>>82354387
>One of the stupidest articles I've ever read
And yet you still saw fit to fucking repost it on /co/?

Go jerk off on alone in a corner somewhere, it's legitimately more productive and useful then what you are doing on /co/ right now because it removes your presence from /co/ and apparently you have literally zero self-control anyway and can't be trusted to exercise any.

When you see shit like this you don't acknowledge it and don't repost it and don't give it the attention it doesn't deserve. You ignore it and move on like you do with all the other crazy fuckers mumbling to themselves on the streets out there because they are crazy and nothing they say is worth listening to or makes sense.

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>>82354387
>The Mary Sue
>TFW I used an article on this site once because my college's database listed it as a scholarly source
Ever since I used that article, they have haunted my life.

I bet you anything that half the writers on that site don't even read the comics they want us to buy. Fuck them. Don't try to force me to read/support your SJW shit. If you love it so much then you do it!

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>>82361326

>>82354387

And DC no longer care what they think. Rebirth has shown that. Marvel is going to double down on it though

>>82361326
>do something productive
Right, like write two paragraphs on a board dedicated to fictional characters?

>>82360963

Whor had Oprah, and she only sells 50k.

>>82361333
>I bet you anything that half the writers on that site don't even read the comics they want us to buy.
That's most fangirls.

>>82361359
It irks me when comic fans actively find shit to get mad about just to get mad about something and then repost it on here to share their mad with other people.
Bizarre shit like that is the reason our entire subculture is treated like lepers.
>>82361391
The fact that somehow he has managed to make a waste of time an even more significant waste of time is what astounds me.
I'm wasting my time here too same as him, but somehow he's actually managed to waste it even more without actually increasing the quantity of time wasted because he deliberately went out and got angry at what he openly admits to be an internet retard and then for some arcane reason felt the need to share it.
It's not like you pay much attention to worthless wastes of air in real LIFE, so why do it on the internet?

There's so many other awesome things about comics to talk about, but apparently he doesn't want to talk about things he likes, just random internet garbage that rustles his jimmies.

>>82361380
>Marvel is going to double down on it though
After ANAD, this seems unlikely. Also look at what Bendis is doing in CW2.

>>82354387
>the Mary sue

Aren't they the ones that caused that shit storm at the Calgary comic con last year?

>>82361504
>subculture is treated like lepers
NEWS AT 11

>>82361542
Proceed...

>>82361433

sorry, the view

>>82361576
They got a group kicked out by claiming it was GamerGate.

>>82361646
Natural justice in action, folks!

>>82354675
And yet, people pay ten euro for Asterix happily.

I guess it might be, oh, I dunno, a QUALITY issue?

>>82354720
Maybe if they sold cheaper one-shots at gas stations, grocery stores, bodegas, etc. They would probably create some new, younger more diverse readers.

>>82362123
Diamond has a monopoly that put an end to this in the 90s.

>>82361576
They're on the receiving end of a lawsuit because they armtwisted the con into expelling the Honey Badgers' booth. Then when the HBs got together at a park outside the con they called the cops on them claiming they were going to incite hatred or some bullshit.

>>82362482
If you ask me, this kind of libelous websites should get sued more frequently.

>>82362482
Run this by me slowly: How could anyone believe something called "Honey Badgers" is a hate group?

Have they never heard of Stormfront?

>>82362591
Honey Badgers are literally MRAs so if you think of MRAs as a bogey(wo)man you're going to be scared of them.

>>82362720
MRA is a pretty meaningless descriptor. Everyone who won't bend over backwards and let themsleves get fucked with a spiked dildo by some idiot spouting some bullshit about priviledge is an "MRA" these days.

That said, actual hate groups usually have their ideology in the title. Not seeing it there.

>>82355191
kek, even the sjws pushing for an asian ironfist said AoS wasn't enough.
Enough is never enough because they have poorly defined goals

>>82354642
>they were all like
>And then... they all

Who are "they"?

>>82362938
Random douchebags on Twitter and Tumblr.

>>82362591
Because they were selling a gamergate poster and I think some members debated in a panel earlier that day about online controversies or something. I dunno, it was completely retarded, I think the pretrial starts up in june

>>82361646
This was the incident that showed a lot of us just what sort of horrid cunt Mark Waid is. This faggot got on twitter and went on a retarded rant about GG and how they're like the KKK and hate women while completely ignorant of the fact that the GG people who were kicked out of the con were entirely women. Then when that little factoid was brought to his attention he basically those women are stupid then, which makes him the biggest cocksucking hypocrite in the world.

>>82363212

wew lad

Did Mark Waid kill your dog or something?

>>82363257
Did I trigger you, Mark?

>>82359229
Is this true? Comic shops are dicks to casuals? I was considering going for my first time to ask for some recommendations. I guess I'll just stick to /co/.

Quick some one give me an awesome superman comic to read.

>>82363674

Nope not all of them

All Star Superman

>>82363674
I've never seen this mythical neckbeard haven Comic Book Guy comic shop. At most it's run by slightly dorky people who are happy to help you if you don't know shit (and will try to overexplain shit to you, watch out, nerds love to do that. You go in asking about Black Panther and next thing you know you're caught in 45 minute speech about the intricacies of Christopher Priest's run and how it modeled the modern day status quo of the character)

>>82363674
>>82364075
My place was super chill when I just walked in for the first time. If he did judge me he saved it until I was gone.
Ironically dude was more or less Comic Book Guy in appearance.

>>82363777
Just read All-Star Superman a few days ago and thought it was overrated. What else you got?

>>82363674
First time I went to my LCS, the owner saw I was kinda lost and he walked me through the new books and some previous events. After that they all ignored me until I started a regular pull list. After that, they greeted me at the door and all the other platitudes.

So they're not necessarily dicks to casuals. They're indifferent.

>>82364075
I don't go to brick and mortar shops much in the first place since they're complete fucking ripoffs compared to what prices are like online, but on the odd occasion I stop inside one there's typically a token girl working there anyway

>>82364183
Secret Identity. For All Seasons. Peace On Earth.

>>82363674
Birthright

>>82364075
>I've never seen this mythical neckbeard haven Comic Book Guy comic shop

Because like most instances, complaints about a certain Thing become more widespread than the Thing itself.

>>82363674
Not all of them no doubt, but at the one I go to, the dude always seems really annoyed if I have a request, or want something put on my pull, or demand outrageous things like getting my comic on Wednesdays. (I've give up going on Wednesdays.) I'm in Europe, though.
Once all my favorite titles end with Rebirth, I'm switching the hell to digital and not looking back.

>>82361983
Please tell me you're aware that Asterix only comes out every few years or once a year at most.

>>82364649
>I'm in Europe, though.

Ironic since I'd fucking kill for reasonable access to a european comic store. Just going to a FNAC was one of the best parts of visiting France.

>>82355502
What country?

>>82355167
bestiality is the new frontier of tolerance, anon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zzszuPGnb4

>>82364687
I am. I'm also aware it makes a shitload of money and is continuously bought all year round.

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>>82364466
Kingdom Come, how the hell has that not been recommended?

>>82365465

Painted comics suck

>>82365275
And yet it has nothing to do with this discussion. Shilling out 10 Euros a year for a comic book is not even remotely the same investment as paying monthly for an ongoing, so it's not proof for quality selling, at all.
If there was one (1) Batman book coming out per year, you better believe people would buy shitloads of it.

>>82364986
Well. Which is more cruel, murdering the animal and eating it's flesh, or just fucking the animal?

>>82365465
This looks cool. I love the flash Ty.

>>82363674
You could give earth one a try, I personally liked it but /co/ seems to be 70/30 love/hate

>>82360059

Making him Captain America in a way undermines the value of the Falcon identity. Marvel's kinda screwing themselves over that way.

>>82364466
Holy shit the artwork in For All Seasons lol

>>82354462
>Marvel died from movies
Are you insane? How much money do they make from comics alone vs how much money they make from movies and vida gaems? I'm surprised they bother to go through the trouble of printing those pamphlets at all. I can see why DC does though but all they have to do to resolve their problem is have The Hack taken out and shot so they can put someone with a brain on their movies.

>>82355184
Poor Germany.

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>>82355866
Furvert detected. In the name of Allah you will yiff in hell.

>>82354387
>http://www.themarysue.com/diverse-comic-sales-not-readers-fault/

If anything, themarysue, io9 and so on are partially at fault. In general, comic news sites are poison. The amount of support and shill for Squirrel Girl compared to Midnighter is baffling.

>>82359933
>X-fags that are masochists
Damn, dude. You're right.
>92

>>82358096
That's funny, because DC actually had a trans woman writing Doom Patrol in the 90s iirc. DC has been pushing diversity way longer than Marvel, but they don't make an effort to ram it down people's throats. Why? Maybe because it's not just a marketing gimmick? Maybe because these other groups actually have interesting stories to tell?

>>82354462
Reading The Ultimates: A comic with a diverse cast hated by Neckbeards for ogga booga cast and hated by SJWs because it doesn't pander to them.

>>82365617
You suck.

>>82355306
>what the fuck is going on there?
Germans being disgusting sexual deviants.
You seem surprised.

>>82354387
>One of the stupidest websites I've ever read
ftfy

One and done.

>>82355184
Hahaha.
Fuck.

>>82357365
When All-New X-Factor got cancelled, Peter David basically said that Marvel doesn't look at collected edition and digital sales when considering the health of a book. Ms. Marvel is kind of in her own weird lane where sales don't matter as much (she'll continue having a book mostly for IP/adaptation purposes, and to a lesser degree because of tokenism), but the Big Two generally don't give a fuck about anything other than floppy sales.

>>82372501
No such thing as unicorns

>>82354387
>read clickbait
>complain it's retarded
DSP fuck off and stay fucked off

>>82375218
That sucks because it was easily one of the best books at the time.

I still hope this fucks over SJW comics. I'm sick of the pandering. It really has gone too far.

>>82355976
women bitch about comic chops are unwelcoming try walking into Victoria Secret as a fat single man and see what happens

>>82363674
>Quick some one give me an awesome superman comic to read.
American Alien

>>82375218
>but the Big Two generally don't give a fuck about anything other than floppy sales.

I think it's case-by-case basis. If the trade sells really, really well then yeah, it'll definitely be considered. But the monthly sales are still very crucial.

And it wouldn't surprise me if one of the unspoken reasons they canceled X-Factor was just because Ike was having his fits over Fox and wanted to cancel any low selling X-book.

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>>82355031
I doubt the guys with the money in Hollywood are leftists...

>ITT: a whole bunch of whiny man-bitches

>>82356117

He's the best candidate by a mile m8, but please vote for a career criminal instead.
(Or bernie kek)

So in celebration of people not liking meme ETHICS IN HAMMERWEILDING shit, what's a good current funny series with moderate levels of cheesecake, along the lines of PowerGirl?

>>82380661
Harley Quinn.

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>>82380661

Mockingbird, maybe?

>>82380757

Isn't that only 6 issues?

>>82359297
>"Jeez, I never thought wanting to own physical copies of a specific media type would require me to have some way to store and display them. This is so hard."

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>>82380837

Can we get some figures showing sales of Fem Thor etc. and how sales dropped off compared to other series?

>>82380661
Chulk.

>>82376282

What the hell are you doing in Victoria's Secret as a fat single man anyways?

>>82380910
I think it dropped off harder than any other series, but stabilized above normal Thor numbers

>>82361045
>They do that and Marvel and DC would be dead in a year.

Sounds good to me.

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>>82355184
>Germany cucked by muslims AND furries

Did these fags really start a world war?

>>82381274
Two world wars

>>82375218
I would take PAD's word with a grain of salt, because he tends to blame everything and evreybody but himself when his books are failing

>>82381339
Maybe if he didn't turn every book into his personal blog this wouldn't happen.

>>82375218

So when are we going to get a Ms Marvel TV series?

I'd actually kinda like a high school antics superhero series that doesn't take itself seriously.

>>82364986
I wonder what will come first. Beastiality or pedophilia?
Liberals in Europe tried to legalise pedophilia already back in the 60s, maybe they could try again.

>>82381274
>>82359469
>>82367859
The map was originally restricted to only Germany and got expanded later on. That's why there is the highest concentration.

>>82381392
Marvel cannot into TV.

>>82381393
wasn't cp legal in Denmark from the late 60's though like 1980 or so

>>82381446
Dunno about Denmark but something similiar used to be the case for the Netherlands.

>>82380757
don't listen to this anon. It's a mediocre slice of life comic that happens to focus on Harley Quinn, and unfortunately it's shit mainly because it's artist can't into cheesecake very well. Starfire is a bit better in that aspect.

>>82361045
Bwahaha source?

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>>82381479
>mfw those CCC magazines weren't exaggerating

>>82381424

Do Netflix have any good comedy directors/writers?

>>82381483
>not muh pure geeky HQ!

>>82381500
>Do Netflix have any good directors/writers?
Fixed.

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>>82354462
... Marvel had almost all best selling titles last year, except for like two months? /co/ really is a delusional echo chamber, isn't it?

Pic related, it's comic sales (combined from comic stores and digital) from March. DC had the best selling title with Batman #50, but otherwise Marvel ruled majority of top 30.

>>82363077
... So completely different people had different opinions?

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>>82381543
>he needs to mention DC in order to defend Marvel

>>82381543
Getting bought by Disney and therefore getting Star Wars really helped them

>>82381543
There was a massive downturn last winter. Granted, DC got it worse because DCYou was even more of a failure, but regardless, it put a stop to the years of growth we had been experiencing until now and had retailers spooked.

>>82381500

>Edgar Wright will never be given Ms Marvel to produce

Still mad about Ant-Man. He wanted to make it a character focused heist movie. Marvel stepped in, added a bunch of action scenes, cut out most of the heist stuff, added in the avengers and the lol-chinese-whispers stuff.

>>82354720

Fucking this, not only did they stop selling comics at places not at a comic shop but comics are like 5 fucking bucks now. Comics have always been great cause they cost nothing. Even kids comics cost a shit ton. How are you going to get young kids to read when they can't even afford it?

>>82381584
And yet, Batman and the Power Rangers outsold all that SW and all those #1's. Oh well.

>>82381598
Second hand bookstores.

>>82354919

if there not brown then they aren't a minority.

unless they are latina, they don't count either. only blacks and muslims are minorities

>>82381598
I imagine Injustice is as good as DC can get when it comes to selling comics to teens since it's a video game tie-in digital first that's only a dollar an issue.

>>82363674

>millions of comic shops in the world
>Is it true they are 100% dicks???

If your dumb enough to fall for this then just don't even bother is comics.

>>82364075

Only time I had this happen was when I took my ex in to this comic shop and she proceded to shout about why women are sexy and men aren't in comics. Cashiers where not nice to us when we were checking out.

I broke up with her shortly after for many other reasons too.

>>82381918
Good

>>82381601

Because it's Batman and Power Rangers, those #1's weren't even big name titles. PR had a shit ton of variants too, of course a loaded #1 is gonna outsell SW #17.

>>82381937

>good

You want him to be alone like you?

>>82382019
She didn't find comic book men sexy, who knows what kind of weirdness she's into.

>>82372501
>people hate the comic with the deepest cosmic lore

>>82355269

Shit was like that YEARS before either of those two were even announced.

>>82382072
>She didn't find comic book men sexy, who knows what kind of weirdness she's into.

Probably betacucks

Which explains why she was dating a /co/mrade in the first place.

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>>82354387
>Don’t Blame Readers for Low Sales
Who else fucking buys comics other than readers.
I don't think collectors would be interested in these comics

>>82382676
Of course not, they tried that shit in the 90s with gimmicks like "FREE Trading Card Inside," variant cover, and pushing the "Issue Ones will be worth a lot of money in ten years!" mentality down peoples throats.

It backfired. Horribly. Image almost sank, Marvel had to sell movie rights to keep from going bankrupt, and DC had to create things like Vertigo and undergo a few creative overhauls to survive into the 2000s

>>82372138
It's weird to think about, because if you really take a look at their back catalogs, DC's books would most likely appeal to non-cape fans/"hipsters", while Marvel's was almost solely straight capes with few exceptions.

>>82381564
Do you see the fucking list I appended? I was referring to the fact that DC has the top spot this month, which is super rare - since 2002 usually Batman had the top spot, until 2015 when Marvel started to rule the charts, hard.

>>82381601
So? Who gives a fuck? In top 30 list, there are total seven titles which aren't Marvel. Having 20 titles that sell 50 thousand copies is much better than having one that sells 150 thousand.

>>82383000
>>82383040
You seem upset. Why do you hate it when someone thinks Marvel is not the best ever?

>>82382735
Vertigo was created in the early 90s

>>82383093
1993.

>>82382850
A damn shame very few remember Marvel's Epic line, it had some quality comics.

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>>82381660
All the Oscar winners of the last years have been white men

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>>82383957
Life is full of ironies.