Captain America: Civil War Discussion

>>82352733
Is Zemo shown in there at the end?

>>82352733
Cap was wrong.

There, I said it.

Cap lost his trust in people. He wasn't even willing to make an effort to work within the system. Yes, Ross is an asshole, but he was willing to give the Avengers a chance, to have them take lead. Had Cap registered, he would have been able to bring Bucky in safely, and be able to convince everyone Bucky was framed from the get-go.
But, also, he was the one who decided to actually fight. Tony kept trying to reason with him, go easy on him while trying to give him a chance to comply and stand down. Cap went to war.

But mostly, I directly blame Cap for not trusting Tony in Siberia. Tony would never kill Bucky. That's quite simply a fact. But when you've just broken up with the love of your life, your best friend was almost killed in front of your eyes, and is now permanently invalid, and then you get to hear the person who was the cause for all the shit that has happened in the last few days was also the one who killed your parents, and is standing right next to you, then yes, it's not human not to react emotionally and lash out. That was an emotional reaction. It's not a morally or rationally good reaction, but any other reaction than the kind of emotional reaction that Tony displayed would have been cold and inhuman. But Tony would never kill Bucky, not like that, not in cold blood. Cap should have known that. Yes, Bucky would have ended up with a few cuts and bruises, but Cap should have trusted Tony not to kill Bucky. But Cap didn't. He didn't trust Tony to ultimately make the right call. He doesn't trust anyone to make the right call, except for himself, which he almost literally says at the start of the movie.

So, yes, Cap was wrong.

At least he had enough selfawareness to recognize that he no longer has trust in the people he claims to represent, which is why he left the symbol of that trust, the shield, behind for Tony.

>>82352909
No, he's in the Berlin facility. The Raft is in the middle of the ocean.

>>82352733
>Punished Wanda, a woman without a family

fifth for ANTS

>>82352925
Stop posting this, your arguments been shot full of more holes than Quicksilver.

>>82352931
So how the fuck is he supposed to make a Supervillain team in Berlin?

>>82352960
You don't steer the ship, Feige does.

is Steve going to become Nomad?

>>82352925
>Not noticing the entire point Cap was making was shown right in our faces

Remember when Thunderbolt basically told Stark "You work for me now"

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>that Redwing BONK

Poor Wanda.

>>82352925
Well, to be fair, the registration act was complete bullshit. But no one could know that, I suppose. Normally, there's really nothing wrong with enforced accountability in a situation like this, especially since secret identities aren't necessarily gonna be made public, and it really is the right call. But in this case, the entire thing was a bogus plan put together by a guy with a grudge, so yeah. He couldn't have possibly known it, but Cap technically made the right decision, if only purely by accident.

"I won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea. I will always be with you. Plant your seed in me. I won't see you end as ashes. You're all soul gems."

What did she mean by this?

>>82352733
>two superpowered individuals lose their family to Iron Man and completely fail to make an impact on the Avengers
>one normal man shows them how it's done
Z E M O
E
M
O

>>82352986
would you pet him?

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>>82352973
I hope he starts wearing this sexy suit.

>>82352733
daily reminder
new spidey is tony fuckboy
fuck u if you think he is the best Parker

>>82353029
But that's the TWS suit

>>82353006
Do the Avengers even have secret identities anymore?

>>82353032
dunno about best parker yet but he's best spidey

>>82353041
Spider-Man and Ant-Man do.

>>82353041
I think Spidey's the only one with a secret identity in general now. Everyone else is basically public

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>>82353038
Yeah, it's very very similar.

They can add the circle and the red line on the legs to modify it a bit. We all know they need to sell toys so they alter the suit every time.

>>82353041
Only Spider-man

But technically only Tony needed a secret identity

>>82352925
>But mostly, I directly blame Cap for not trusting Tony in Siberia. Tony would never kill Bucky. That's quite simply a fact. But when you've just broken up with the love of your life, your best friend was almost killed in front of your eyes, and is now permanently invalid, and then you get to hear the person who was the cause for all the shit that has happened in the last few days was also the one who killed your parents, and is standing right next to you, then yes, it's not human not to react emotionally and lash out. That was an emotional reaction. It's not a morally or rationally good reaction, but any other reaction than the kind of emotional reaction that Tony displayed would have been cold and inhuman. But Tony would never kill Bucky, not like that, not in cold blood. Cap should have known that. Yes, Bucky would have ended up with a few cuts and bruises, but Cap should have trusted Tony not to kill Bucky. But Cap didn't. He didn't trust Tony to ultimately make the right call. He doesn't trust anyone to make the right call, except for himself, which he almost literally says at the start of the movie.

Tony is all about the vengeance, dude:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH-r4HXHcCk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APl78T9FjJo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8argqw-KCo

torrent when?

So we've got people complaining that the movie was never really about the politics

And we have people that like it

So which one did you like?

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anyone else hoping for energy shield since cap doesn't have his vibranium one now?

>>82353119
There was a spanish torrent available yesterday

>>82352973
He kinda is now, right?

>>82353111
Man, I need to rewatch Iron Man, someday. Or maybe just most of the Marvel films.

>>82353152
>is in Wakanda

he'll be fine

>>82353152
he'll get it back during IW

>>82353119
check at your local cinema theater

>>82353152
But he's in Wakanda

>>82353172
>>82353175
>>82353191

they can make him a new one, sure, I was just hoping we can see this visual on the big screen

>>82353139
I think the political conflict and the personal one worked hand in hand.

the accords were an issue that affected all heroes, but the bucky problem was one specific complication that made everything so much more complicated for those that cared.

because you have the general problem and the specific problem, everyone's invested, some people are invested more, and you can show the varying degrees that the problems affected everyone

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>Girlfriend leaves
>Best friend is paralyzed from the waist down
>Despised by everyone but his AI son
>The teammate and friend his father always appreciated more than him, ditches him for the guy who brutally beat said father to death.

The Tony pain was real in this one.

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>>82352733
>not even crying
>just completely dead inside

>>82352733
You forgot the horn m8.

>>82353281
This pleases the Bendis

>>82353139
The core political message is:

Systems are well and good, but they're often composed of people. And people fuck things up, so try not to give the fuck-ups power. By all means, Big Brother, Minority Report us; but if some cheap facial prosthetics are enough to get your men chasing after the wrong man then take a 10-step walk off a 4-step pier.

Team Iron Man wasn't flawed because superheroes having accountability is an inherent bad thing. It was flawed because it had Thunderbolt Ross on staff.

Team Cap wanting a sleeker, swifter response team that didn't have to deal with red tape wasn't bad. What was bad was how they were all blindly following an emotionally compromised guy who made out with the great niece of his old flame a few days after her funeral, pointedly ignored said old flame's advice of "compromise where you can" in favour of the sexier "no, you move" aspect, and for all his talk of loyalty, transparency, and integrity, withholding the truth of how Tony's parents actually died from him was a dick move of the highest calibre.

To summarise:
If an utter bastard says he'll do you a good turn if you give him your support, don't trust him, because even if he does keep his word, his bastard nature will have him screw you over eventually.

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>When you're over 95 years old and you finally get a kiss

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>In BvS, a dead mom ends a fight
>In Civil War, a dead mom reignites a fight
POTTERY

>>82353281
She is free now tho, likely will Cap in Wakanda

>>82353312
AHHHH KEK

>>82353312
>Virgins, amirite?

>>82353325
Are we going to get some dead mom in X-Men Apocalypse too?

Will the avengers ever visit Mexico?


There was an establishing shot with a roundabout and an anger in the middle and I thought it was Mexico but it immediately revealed it was Barcelona.

I got excited for a moment there :(

>>82353312
>maybe he'll finally get his dick wet when he turns 100

>>82353312

best scene in the movie

>>82353372
Considering Nightcrawler is in it, hopefully.

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>>82353312
>Bucky: Hey, who is that?
>Sam: Oh, that's Sharon Carter.
>Bucky: Carter?
>Sam: Yeah. Remember Peggy? That's her great niece
>Bucky's face when

>>82353312
>no short on Cap, Bucky and Falcon's adventures in the tiny beetle

>>82353372
We already got it in X-Men: First Class
>I actually agree with pretty much everything you want to do Sebastian. But you killed by mom, so die.

>>82353372
you don't know how much i long for mystique to fucking die

>>82353312
>Falcon doing a bro "Get in there lad" nod
>Bucky legitimately happy for Steve

Nice little touch to show the different friendships

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>>82353152
like son of coal

>>82353279
Seriously man, Tony barely has anyone, just Rhodey and his 1 year old robot grandson who is kind of an idiot.

>>82353403
Cap's gonna have to share his "List of things to catch up on" with Bucky.

>>82353312
>Falcon proud just like a wingman is when he does a good job

>Bucky happy because, after 90 years, he's getting laid
Heh.

>>82353439
>Bucky
>Happy about someone kissing his boyfriend.
He's crying on the inside anon.

>>82353441
NO

NO TV

BAD

>>82353152

I do hope we get a nice redesign

>>82353472
>Impyling BP is not new Bucky fuckboy

>With another eight international territories opening Friday, Captain America: Civil War‘s launch frame is still running on par with the performance of Avengers: Age of Ultron last year and has now taken in $84M in three days of release. Team Cap and Team Iron Man are currently busting it up in 38 offshore markets. In Mexico yesterday, they beat Ultron‘s start to log the best industry opening of all time, according to Disney, with a haul of $7.3M. The UK opening of $7M also enjoyed a No. 1 launch, which was 33% ahead of Ultron and more than double that of Iron Man 3.

It also got the second biggest opening ever in Huehue land, after Star Wars TFA.

>>82353450
finaly watches star wars
>oh thats what spider-man meant

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>>82353448
But Happy is still alive.
Or is he?

>>82353441
oh wow I didn't know that
are season 2 and 3 good? I dropped it 3-4 eps into S1

Absolute utter bullshit

>captain doesn't die
>they just fuckin retcon Bucky out of the picture again
>Stark rejoins the avengers
>The events of Ultron basically mean nothing
>Let's retcon Natasha's personality again
>Spider-Man is just shoe horned in because fuck you

Fuck this gay ass bullshit

>>82353279
He truly was Tony Stank.

>>82353517
I assume he is, he's just off working for Pepper probably.

>>82353510
this doesn't make any sense because cap and bucky were running for the quinjet at the time, but it sounds like superhero roommates and i'm 1000% on board with superhero roommates

>>82353496
I wonder what'd be better or worse for the Russos. For this money to make Avengers numbers which will probably make the expectations for Infinity War insane, or for slightly better numbers than Winter Soldier, which would make the expectations for Infinity War more inline with Avengers numbers

>>82353496
That's good, right?

>>82353510
Wakanda movie night?

>>82353547
>>The events of Ultron basically mean nothing
Tony Stark, Wanda and especially Zemo's actions are a direct consequence of AoU.

>>82353517
he became a cook, Iron man and BW were also there
>yfw Chef is what a good IM2 looks like

So is Redwing just a tool, or a cute AI?

>>82353547
Literally all of this happened because of Ultron.

>>82353538
it gets better by then end of s1 because of what happend in winter soilder

>>82353601
>I see you're watching Star Wars
>Did you know it was a remake of the Wakandan movie, Star Wars? We just kept it in Wakanda and didn't distribute it internationally

>>82353571
Yeah it's very good. Box office analysts are saying it will open to $200 million in USA, maybe even pass Avenger's $207 million record.

>>82353619
A drone

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>>82353547
> people now can't enjoy a Capeshit flick without predictable character deaths and civilians being massacred

What the fuck happened to people?

>>82353496
a good foreign opening day is 7m

TFA pulled in 528m in a weekend

i'm probably not using the right statistics for this, but why are US box offices so fucking huge? it's like the united states and the rest of the entire world are treated as two equal factors in a movie's performance

>>82353619
I don't know, but I want to pet it.

>>82353549
>Ends up in GoT
>gets embroiled in its political bullshit
>magic everywhere
>kills awhile bunch of people with new Iron Knight armor because it's GoT
>fucks a girl, finds out that she's 14 in the morning
>tries to create defense system to protect the land from Ice Giant Midgets
>winds up creating a deadly demonic nanite swarm that murders everyone, but is kind enough to build him a gateway home

So which Marvel film has the record for lowest civilian casualties? Ant-Man?

>>82353695
that black hole tho

>>82353679
I wouldn't trust anyone else with the Infinity War movies to be honest.

If anyone can pull it off, it's them. Even so, the pressure of doing these two movies must be insane.

>>82353695
Thor 1? It took place in a tiny town in the middle of bumfuck nowhere

>>82353568
The expectations on Infinity War are insane regardless of whether CW makes Avengers money (which it probably will).

It's the culmination over a story lasting nearly 10 years, from over 20 movies, featuring dozens of characters all building up to a huge finale. People have spent years being invested in the MCU.

If the Russos managed to pull off IW, I will be absolutely amazed.

>>82353312
THE ADVENTURES OF CAP, FALCON AND BUCKY IN A BEETLE WHEN?

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>>82353568
As long as it outperforms BvS by a huge margin, I'll be cool with it.

>>82352733
>Captain America thread
>stay out yanks

This is how I know we live in some kind of fucked up Bizzarro universe and not the regular one.

>>82353715
Don't worry! Everyone was evacuated! ...For once!

>>82353619
It's a tool, but Sam Wilson thinks it's real. Everyone humors him except for Natasha.

>>82353619
Falcon likes to think it's the latter. But while useful, it's the former.

>>82353738
Hey, you should be happy filthy foreigners love Captain America.

>>82353715
They showed Luis saving people from the building

>>82353695
>Scott Lang makes sure that even the ants that assist him get out safe

>Antman is shown as more caring than Superman

JUST

>>82353744
Besides Zemo and Bucky, I think Sam killed the most people in this movie.

>>82353783
>Luis is shown as more caring than Superman

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Leave the MCU to us.

>>82353783
I was worried about the Ant Raft, but they planned an escape route for them too!

>>82353826
J U S T

>>82353695
But what about Anthony

>>82353082
When you were a kid, did you care about getting a new toy every time a costume was slightly altered? I know I never had more than 3 Batman toys. One regular, one Beyond, and one that was some kind of cyborg monster. I wasn't about to ask my parents for a new Batman toy just because he had a new logo or some shit. I only ever had one Spider-Man.

>>82353809
What about Crossbones?

>>82353733
"Can you move your seat forward."

"No."

"I hate you."

"Hey guys, relax, I found some "CDs" of music I used to listen to as a kid!"

this starts playing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34OXeV_ZrqQ

Buck and Sam scream.

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I fucking loved how african Black Panther was.

>mfw that giant panther statue

>>82353809
Don't you mean Scarlet Witch?

Anyone think Steve might abandon the name Captain America after all these events?

>>82353851
It was hard as fuck to find a normal Batman here.

>Gold sewer surfing scuba ninja Batman with missile blasting backpack
>Neon green kung fu ninja Batman

They included parts of the "NO YOU MOVE" speech from the comic

>>82353886
Probably. He didn't exactly like it, and people just called him Captain or Steve anyway.

>>82353886
He gave up the shield and he was in civilian wear when he rescued the New Avengers, so probably.

>>82353886
Captain Worldwide.

>>82353829
The Russo that doesn't wear glasses looks like an Italian mobster from a 1980's action movie.

>>82353939
But they put a preface that made it a lot less stupid.

>>82353939
And it was great.

>>82353923
Same here. The only "normal" ones we had were bootlegs of various levels of quality.

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The last fight scene between Tony and Cap where they literally portrayed the comics straight off was so perfectly executed.

>>82353959
I believe what you mean is Captain Planet

>>82353886
They'll probably just call him Cap or Captain Rogers or something like that.

>>82353767
Of course foreigners like him. They like all our fucking media.

>>82352925
>Hey Cap trust goverment
>Nah man imagine something like we have to ignore things or someone infiltrates them
>It's the UN Caaaaaaap
Zemo infiltrating the facility and fucking shit up
Cap was wrong111!!!!!1!1!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6r0sm1Njrg

This whole press tour was really funny.

>>82353448
He's having Aunt May and Peter now

>>82353062

Ant-man had one but he was outed this film when he was arrested by Tony.

The only one who's still covered is Peter. Only Tony knows who he is.

>>82354019
See, that is the best way to take an image directly from the comics to the screen.

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http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2016/04/marvel-cinematic-universe

>“Civil War” does feature the near obligatory antagonistic brasshat, but for the most part the superheroes are fighting between themselves. With both sides of the conflict drawn with some sympathy, the fights—some handled lightly, some given dramatic heft by wounds that carry consequences—benefit from a sense that beliefs and personal ties are at stake. Towards the very end this conflict based on principles is transmuted into one based on deeper family history—but the change is done deftly, and convincingly. In this, as in its various other manifestations of intelligence, narrative clarity and wit, “Civil War” functions as a rebuff to the bloated, senseless disappointment of “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice”, a recent outing from rival comic-book/studio pairing DC and Warner Bros. The most obvious contrast, perhaps, is in the introduction of characters slated soon to star in their own films. “Batman v Superman” does this by having someone watch video clips of these coming attractions in exactly the manner of a fanboy scanning YouTube for spoilers—which is not anything like as amusingly meta as it might sound. “Civil War” makes one newbie fundamental to the plot, and the other a genuinely welcome addition to the action.

>>82354182
True, he can help Peter not pull the same stuff he did, and also get with his surprisingly hot aunt.

>>82353850
That death had more impact on me than anything in AoU

>>82353191
>>82353172

Yeah. They can literally just make him a new one with some leftovers from one days mining job. And then Tony can't complain because it was the one his father made.

>>82352733
No one was really wrong.
With the information available to Tony, he acted pretty rationaly.
Cap knew it wasn't Bucky but he wasn't really able to prove it. When Tony found out Bucky was innocent, he helped until the video.
There was no reason for Clint to flip out at Tony like that in the prison

>>82354081
>The UN has Agendas and KEEPS SECRETS
>keeps a horrific secret himself

>>82354211
>Even the Economist is on Team Marvel now

>>82354256
Tony was keeping Wanda prisoner.

>>82354260
But see, his secret was more personal! He didn't want to deal with having to tell Tony his boyfriend killed his parents.

>>82354256
Yeah I thought Clint was being almost too dickish to Tony. He was acting like he always hated his guts. Maybe he did...

>>82353963
And the one with glasses looks like his accountant.

>>82353139

On one hand it was a geninue surprise and the trailers managed to keep the actual story underwraps.

On the other hand the politics are just a political smokescreen and a way to drag the movie out while the evil plot boils down to one guy trying really hard to piss the Avengers off while having no intention of actually pulling off his evil plan.

So it's kind of a letdown.

I'm geniunely not sure if I like this twist or not.

>>82354247
Tony can use it to prop up some heavy equipment

>>82354315
TWO YEARS!

>>82354309
To protect her. He got his friendly AI grandson to babysit her. Not really that diabolical imo.

>>82354355
He can use it to hold onto and cry at night as well.

>>82354256
He put his daughterfu in jail and in a straight jacket.

>>82352925
Stale copypasta is stale

>>82354349
I think it's better than what the comic did at least. Where the politics were just an excuse for the heroes to punch each other.

>>82354309
Not out of any malicious intent, Wanda's powers are extremely unstable. Plus, Vision was there to keep her company.

where's the cam at

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>>82354370
YOU DON'T DESERVE MY FATHER'S LOVE I DID!

>>82353732
I think this movie shows us they actually could pull it off, it's just a matter of whether they actually do. They did an absolutely magnificent job of balancing so many characters by not wasting too much time on already established ones, giving the headliners the most screen time, and giving the newbies enough time to get people hyped and really give them their own voices/motivations.

Now for my ideal IW1 plot:

Thanos is the main character and it first establishes his iron grip in space, the respect and fear he demands. The scene of him getting the gauntlet (do it myself) is in the movie and he sets out to get the stones.

First stop: Knowhere to take the Aether from the Collector, with whom we see he has a casual, rivalrous relationship when it comes to these McGuffins. He doesn't actually kill the Collector, though, but gets info from him on the Guardians and the Power Stone. Guardians appear for a scene or two, Nebula is involved, She sacrifices herself to fight Thanos and let the Guardians get away, not knowing he already has a stone to fuck her up. The Guardians unknowingly lead Thanos right to Xandar where the Power Stone is being kept because they need to warn them. Thanos uses the Reality Stone to warp there in an instant.

Second stop: Xandar to fuck up the Nova Corps and take the Power stone. Thanos carries out the planetary genocide that Ronan failed to. No need to keep anyone alive because Thanos already knows where to get the Tesseract.

Third Stop: Asgard to bitch slap Loki. Really long and drawn out beating to teach him a lesson about failing Thanos and running away. Thanos refuses to use any stones for this beatdown, very personal. Loki tries to use magic and gets in a few blows, but nothing great. His dying act is warning all of Asgard to leave. Thor, Heimdall, and a small percentage of Asgardians escape via the Bifrost before Thanos chokes the life out of Loki and razes Asgard with the Power Stone. Thanos leaves with the Tesseract.

>>82354369
>>82354400
wanda is autistic and because he didn't thoroughly explain why, she got the auts rage

>>82354420
He's not wrong, to Tony, Cap was the son his dad really wanted.

>>82353551
>just off fucking Pepper probably.
Fixed that for you

>>82354349
Somehow I remember the same complaint being said to TWS.

>>82354369
>>82354400

>false imprisonment is okay if Iron Man does it

>>82354369
>To protect her.

>>82354400
>Not out of any malicious intent

Get the fuck out Tony

>>82353873
He was perfect, the accent was fantastic. Not sure how I feel about someone other than Klaw killing T'Chaka though.

So, do Tony and Bucky deserve equal amount of hugs?

>>82354256
You don't mess with a man's daughteru

>>82354512
I think everyone in the movie suffers

>>82354512
I don't know, does Bucky deserve 0 hugs?

>>82354528
Not Peter or Scott. They're still happy.

>>82354432
Thanos does not know where the scepter/Mind Stone is, but concludes it must be on Earth. Dunno how to handle Time/Soul yet because we haven't seen them yet.

Scenes on Earth will intercut Thanos scenes, just to give a full view of what's going on in the MCU. Vision and Strange both get premonitions of disaster (Strange because duh, Vision because of the Mind Stone's connection to the other stones).

Thor appears on Earth with his band of Asgardian refugees to tell the Avengers what's happening near the end of the movie but not right at the end. The end shows the Guardians (and maybe Adam Warlock) appearing on Earth because they know Thanos mentioned finally destroying the "Terrans." Peter Quill delivers this line of course, being a Terran.

>>82353963
He's the dude dead in the bathtub with the Mario Moustache.

I legit laughed my ass off, because he was reprising his role from TWS and in the directors commentary track they said he had a moustache for 2 or 3 takes but it couldn't stick in the re-shoots and they had to CGI it out.

In CW the moustache returns in force.

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No, you move
>yfw

So I may have a chance to watch this on Monday. Should I take it? Or is it not worth my time? I liked BvS aside from Lex/WW, and I liked Winter Soldier.

Does it have shit plot holes? I don't need a scene by scene review, just a general opinion overall.

>>82354573
This movie had a lot of great lines.
MY FATHER MADE THAT SHIELD!

>>82354541
"And that's what I wish had happened" he needs like 287 hugs

>>82353547
>The events of Ultron basically mean nothing
This entire fucking movie happened because of the events of Age of Ultron you absolute retard.

>>82354394

This is true. The "civil war" fight actually made sense, people were pulling their punches and they had good moviations for fighting (Team Iron Man wants to stop Cap from starting an international incident. Team Cap just wants to get away so they can prove Bucky's innocence and stop what they think was the real threat)

Unlike the comic where one bad law and the heroes are lining up to kill each other purely because of this law.

>>82354432
I'm still not convinced on the Russos properly doing the space stuff yet.

I'm going to say I was not quite crazy about Spidey.

I mean. they have the Peter Parker down, but Spidey needed more attitude. He was funny but in a dorky fan kind of way.

Early Spidey was kind of an ass to other heroes in the comics to be honest.

>>82354650
I wouldn't be surprised if James Gunn is a consult for that stuff.

>>82354457

Which is weird, because Howard and Cap were about the same age and had a adult friendship.

>>82354593
It's great, go see it.

>>82354651
True but most people honestly dont even remember early spidey

>>82354491
Well it wasn't 'right' maybe, but he did it because he knew the public was going to lynch her and she might go spastic if that happened. Wanda not being an US citizen is a legit argument for why she needs to be 'babysat'. Non-american's aren't considered real people by the government.

>>82354432
I want IW1 to end with the united nations surrendering to Thanos's empire to spare the earth from being flat out destroyed.

>>82354601
That was so petty and bratty, but you could honestly tell where he was coming from.

Truly well made, the movie.

>>82354651
Spider-Man was also an ass though.

>BUDDY I THINK YOU FORGOT THIS
>MR. STARK ALSO SAID THAT I SHOULD GO FOR YOUR LEGS
>HOLY SHIEEEEEEET
>HEY GUYS REMEMBER THAT OLD MOVIE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK?

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Wanda is getting one long hug in prison

>>82354682
It was mainly because Howard spent most of Tony's childhood talking about Cap and looking for him. All Tony heard about was this WWII hero that his dad loved.

>>82354593
Better than Winter Soldier. Some of the best of Marvel. Not going to comment on BvS.

>>82354668
I renember someone saying after the Committee left, Russos, Gunn, Waititi and Coogler all work in the same building now so they can compare notes. Not sure if that's actually substantiated.

>>82354682
Maybe he's just so buttmad that his dad was BFFs with Cap but he's second fiddle to Bucky.

>>82354710
Cap broke them out at the end of the movie

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>>82354710
Delete this.

>>82354549

Scott is happy but thinking about what will likely happen because of his actions helping Cap spells serious misery for him. All that effort to go straight in Ant-man and he's a criminal because he tried to do the right thing again.

Peter though actually makes out great. He gets a boost to his superhero rep, cool new toys, a new mentor in Tony, and all the misery of the plot is lost on him because he doesn't actually know any of these people. And unlike Antman he gets to go home to Aunt May with no consequences.

>>82354717
>>82354683
Thanks m8s. Probably gonna watch it then. Shame Fury doesn't appear in it.

>>82354736
My god if that's true, we're gonna get some amazing synergy over the next few releases.

>>82354668
I wish it'll look as good as GOTG, but I still have doubts.

>>82354736
>Russos, Gunn, Waititi and Coogler all work in the same building now

I don't know who the fuck coogler is but hell yes

where is Peyton?

>>82354752
>>82354710
She wasn't in the main hall with the barred cells, was she?

She had her own containment unit with the shock collar so she wouldn't go nuts.

That is actually quite sad.

>>82354736
Replace Coogler with Reed and Derrickson and add the IW writers. Coogler and Waititi and Watts are following, not setting the pace. Reed, Gunn and the Russos are the ones deciding things. Apparently Reed is a huge nerd, bigger than Feige, I heard.

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>>82353441

>>82354760
Can't wait for Peter to be all hyped to see Tony again in Homecoming, only for his enthusiasm to be met with Tony's beaten, exhausted, and broken cynicism. Or see Tony putting on a happy face but we know how tormented he is while trying to be Papa Spider.

How was Clint? I just saw the airport scene only.

>>82354813
Coogler directing Black Panther

>>82354800
They said they'll change their style for Infinity War because it deals with cosmic stuff, so we'll see.

>>82354698

I'm pretty sure that would make any movies coming out between part 1 and 2 impossible.

>>82354668
James Gunn said in a livestream he would be consulting/advising on IW. Not only on his characters but also the larger comic stuff.

Gunn is basically Mr. Cosmic over there, along with Peyton Reed.

>>82354817
I think she was. In the op you can see the hall through the glass behind her.

>>82354813
On break. He has, like a year before Ant-Man and Wasp even begins its pre-production.

>>82354813

My guess is only the guys whose stories intersect really need to work together like this. Ant-Man and the Wasp is definitely a separate story, as is Doctor Strange. But Black Panther will presumably tie in significantly (even if just for a few scenes) and GotG: Vol 2 will definitely tie in to Infinity War

>>82354817
>the IW writers.

Isn't that Markus & McFeely again?

>>82354838
He's great, he actually felt like the snarky, smartass Hawkeye he was always supposed to be.
Motherfucking Renner was a great choice, he only needed good direction.

So what's the name of the new team? Secret Avengers, New Avengers...

>>82354813
>>82354736
>>82354817

Peyton Reed is with them too

(Along with the person who rewrote Ant-man with Paul Rudd, Adam McKay)

>>82354892
Yep
We're getting the writers and directions from Civil War again

>>82354874
How does it feel to know that you just made a grown man's dick tingle? Feels good, mane.

I loved that the movie made you think it would go the cliche route of VS flicks in the final act and have the opposing heroes make up to fight the 'true villain' together, but pulled a 180 on the audience that led to an intense and personal fight between Cap and Tony instead.

>>82354025
Will he bring pollution to zero, though?

>>82354909
Avengers 2: The Squeakuel.

oh god what if thor 3 is good

hold me

>>82354909
I don't think the Avengers are a thing anymore.

>>82354892
Yeah. Markus Russo and McFeely Russo.

>>82354890
To be honest, Strange is probably important for the future. Most of big bads after Thanos will probably come from him: Chton, Mephisto, Dormammu.

>>82354909
New Avengers: Wanda pls don't leave edition.

>>82354821
Man having something like that makes alot of sense since he's such a damned cap fanboy

>>82354939
those niggas write their own movies???

>>82354865
fuck I forgot there are movies between part 1 and 2. Oh well.

Directorposting is so comfy.

>>82354944
Oh I totally agree. I just meant that I don't think the events of the first Doctor Strange film need to be so closely supervised for the upcoming chunk of crossover, what with it being an origin story for at least some part.

>>82354930
>no Jane
>no Darcy
>Waititi directing
>Hulk and Thor adventure through the 9 realms
I can't help but feel hyped. I have a good feeling about this one, Thor needs to get a good movie. Even Iron Man has one.

>>82354601
Preferred Spidey's fairly whiny, "That thing does not obey the laws of physics AT ALL!"

>>82354909

No Avengers.

Steve's team are fugitives in Wakanda, with no way to really go and hero it up at the moment.

Tony's got a depressed Vision and a crippled Rhodes and that's it.

Except for Tony himself and Spiderman, the heroes are done for the moment.

>>82354909
Champions

>>82354874
>James Gunn said in a livestream he would be consulting/advising on IW. Not only on his characters but also the larger comic stuff.
>Gunn is basically Mr. Cosmic over there, along with Peyton Reed.

My entire fucking dick is hard anon
What have you done?

Peyton Reed went on record once saying he'd love to direct a Fantastic Four movie.

>>82354909
The Ultimates

Feige said that Doctor Strange and Thor 3 will be important for Infinity War, probably where we'll see the last 2 gems.

Pretty sure he also said that Ragnarok is the most important Phase 3 movie when it comes to IW.

>>82355017
>with no way to really go and hero it up at the moment.

All they need is a jet that no one can track, which are everywhere in this universe.

>>82354865
What if the movies between IW1 and 2 don't actually take place DURING Infinity War?
But rather, before IW and they all end with the MC trembling in fear as they see Thanos entering the Earth?

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>>82354856
Hopefully it'll look better than Whedon's, at least.

>>82354930
>>82355003

Joe Russo is looking forward to working with Thor

>"I'm excited to work with Thor," Joe Russo says. "They're doing some really interesting stuff with Ragnarok and where he's gonna be at the beginning of Infinity War is gonna be a very interesting place and I think very profound. I think he's gonna have a real emotional motivation after that."

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2016/04/11/star-lord-and-thor-confirmed-for-avengers-infinity-war/

>>82353312
love that scene

>>82355078
Thanos murdering Loki confirmed, yes??

>>82355078
HYPE

What will the "interesting place" be?

>>82355064

holding out hope that infinity war will somehow have galactus and silver surfer

>>82352973
He is in Wakanda so i think T'challa will make him a new shield.

>>82355061

Considering they're probably arrest on sight all over the world there's little help they can really do to anyone.

Plus if they get spotted coming to and from Wakanda they'll have an international incident.

The only heroic they can do is backing Tchalla up in Black Panther's film.

>>82355049
Feige said Black Panther was also important for Infininty War

>While the plot of Black Panther remains under wraps, Feige said that the movie will be "a big geopolitical action adventure that focuses on the family and royal struggle of T'Challa in Wakanda, and what it means to be a king."

>Feige's tease that "T'Challa's story is very important to us as it links to the next Avengers films, which is why we brought it forward."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/marvels-black-panther-will-set-851523

>>82355110
I want to see Eternity or something.

Please tell me they have the rights.

>>82355017
Does T'Challa have a change of heart and harbors Steve team? Is it because he gets informed that they were being manipulated by Zemo? Is there a chance of Cap's team being in the Black Panther solo?

>>82355078
>Star Lord
Is the whole gang going to be in IW, or only him?
Because I prefer the latter.

>>82355133
http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Cosmic_Entities

>>82354573
literally no one at my screening room seemed to recognize that line at all

>>82355128
>
>arrest on sight

They're superheroes. The local cops can't do anything.

>Plus if they get spotted coming to and from Wakanda

Stealth jet

>>82355160
Would be great to see only Peter show up, considering he's a Terran and it would be very emotional for him to return home for the first time since his mother died.

>>82355130
Maybe because Team Cap is in Wakanda and Black Panther comes out like 3 months before Infinity War 1, so it'll be the first time we see them since Civil War.

>>82355078
My bet on Asgard getting completely destroyed. Thus, his visions come true AND the title makes sense. Than Thor dies in IW2.

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>it was a damn near perfect
Damn after BvS it felt good to see a solid superhero movie again. Based Russos.
>Wanda in a straight jacket
I didn't ask to feel

>Rich white businessman Tony Stark beats up orphans, minorities, immigrants and veterans for the government

yes I'm trolling

>>82355168
Oh shit I totally forgot about that, what the fuck.

Do you think they'll appear in IW?

on a scale of 1 - waifu
how cute is scarlet witch in this movie?

>>82355214
Somebody post that Daily Bugle edit that says "Spider-Man steals from veteran"

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>>82354965
Kek. Look it up, you'll get it.

>>82354910
>>82354874
They have a great selection of Directors. All of them are indie guys who have shown lots of potential in their stuff.

I often look for directors who can direct kids because that usually means they can get the actors to do what they want, and have good characterization, for the most part. Watts, Waititi and Reed all have movies with fucking incredible child performances.

Coogler and Waititi have amazing movies under their belts with great characterization and bittersweet moments. Gunn and Derrickson and Watts fit the weird niche movies, so I'm hoping for their movies to be good. Cop Car was great and so was SUPER.

If Waititi adapts to action as well as the Russos did, I can see a great fucking Thor movie finally. The dude has fucking impeccable comedic timing, which a lot of people say adapts well to action. I encourage everyone to watch Boy and What We Do in the Shadows. You can never predict his punchlines or their timing, it's like the anti-Joss Whedon. He can sucker punch you even better than the Russos do, sometimes. He might be my favourite director of their line-up, and he can make his characters come off as naive and sweet, which I think will fit Thor and Hulk very well. I didn't like the Thor movies and wasn't counting on watching the third until they announced him.

I've heard both the Russos and Feige mentioning Michelle MacLaren as a good example of a tv director that makes movie-grade episodes, so I'm thinking they either have her locked or they at least tried to for Captain Marvel.

If they manage it, they'll have 9 for 9 great directors all working together. Phase 3 is leaving me pretty fucking hype.

Did someone died in the movie?

>>82355254
Peggy

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>>82355231
GOAT waifu but dead inside.

>>82353669
Outside US, nobody gets sued for piracy. Law busy with mafia. Therefore, movie theatres go bankrupt.

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i wish Whedon would do the IW movies, the fight scenes were so shaky and there were almost no quips

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>>82355254
Wanda's smile.

>>82355248
Oh man Michelle McLaren is great, would be awesome if they got her for Captain Marvel.

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>>82355237

>>82355244
I kept expecting him to feel someone's abs.
>ifw self-heating hot dogs

>>82353547
>captain doesn't die
So? He'd only be back for Infinity War anyway. Before anyone says it, no, he didn't die in the book. He died shortly after the Civil War event.

>they just fuckin retcon Bucky out of the picture again
You don't know what retcon means.

>Stark rejoins the avengers
What Avengers? It's just him, Rhodey and Vision. Widow is off the grid, everyone else is with Cap in Wakanda.

>The events of Ultron basically mean nothing
kay

>Let's retcon Natasha's personality again
She's the same here as she was in The Winter Soldier. I'll give that Whedon fucked things up in AoU, but she was fine in this movie even if she didn't do as much as in TWS.

>Spider-Man is just shoe horned in because fuck you
Tony, Rhodey and Widow wouldn't stand a change against Cap, and as far as they knew Vision was going to remain with Wanda at the compound. He needed extra muscle, cue: Spider-Man.

Did you even fucking watch the movie or are your comprehension skills shot?

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>Your eyes are so blue
What did he mean by this?

>>82355382
How many TB of pics of Zemo getting BLACKED will we get because of this?

>>82355382
True aryan ancestry.

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>>82355307
That scene pained me man

>>82355382
didn't he say something like: there is a little green in your eyes at least one flaw?

>>82355307
I hope the art book gives us a better look at this thing.

mfw I thought that collar was a bomb

>>82355400
Surely you mean BLEACHED?

>>82355382
That it was hard as fuck and he had to dig so deep to find a flaw in Cap, which infuriated him, cause he really wanted to hate the dude to find closure/piece as to who killed his wife. He needed someone to blame, basically.

The fault wasn't even brown eyes, it was green, but he did fucking find it. It was a power thing.

>>82355407
I don't think it was an Aryan thing, especially because he respected Black Panther and complimented him for being focused and dutiful, but maybe. He might have been a regular Nazi, not a neo-Nazi, but he also didn't seem to hate Scarlet Witch specifically, and she is supposed to be a gipsy, no?.

>>82355231
>>82355281
T O P T I E R

How was Zemo? And how would you compare him to other superhero movie villains in general? Is he good other than his small amount of presence in the movie? Was he comic accurate characterization wise?

And any comic book references about him?

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>>82355513

>>82355307
so like...she's completely immobile in that thing right?

nothing to stop someone from say...hotgluing her like some anime statue?

>>82355615
Just her arms. Her legs are free

>>82354821
it was such a cool moment in aan action packed episode

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>>82355615
Her body might be there and her eyes may blink once in a while, but there's nobody inside there.

Why is HYDRA so cucked in the MCU

>leader fucks off to who knows where
>one of their top villains is cool but dies
>other villain is great but isn't even Hydra in the movies
> mostly doomed to be talked about in an irrelevant ABC show

JUST

>>82353279

Start the MCU as a man that has everything and nothing.

Gain everthing through several movies worth of growth.

Take something pure and full of potential, and start making compromises and mistakes.

Be left with nothing again.

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>>82354834
he gives pete leopardon for xmas

>>82355516
I don't know how Zemo-y he was since I only know the character from EMH, but he was a true master of keikaku and never actually needed to get his hand dirty.

He basically accomplished most of what he set out to do and only failed to kill himself at the end. It was sort of like seeing the evil version of the Punisher motivation/pathos-wise, but he made everyone do his work for him. Always very calm and controlled. Only gives his speech after he knows there's no way anybody can stop him.

Faithful or not, he was a great fucking character. Kind of like a less Reed Richards-y Ozymandias.

Didn't have the sock, and I really can't imagine him having one in the future, but it worked great as a foil to both main heroes.

>>82355688
POETRY
O
E
T
R
Y

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>>82355542
I want to restore her smile

>>82353312

Team bro.

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>>82355718
>literally only one genuine smile in the two movies she's been in

>>82353547
>>The events of Ultron basically mean nothing

I think they were trying as hard as they could to ignore stuff from AoU. Like Wanda is mad at Stark because he kept her semi-prisoner, but no mention is made of her old grudge against him. For that matter even her brother doesn't exist any more.

This doesn't bother me a lot, the new team takes what they want from the last team and ignores the stuff they don't like (so no mention of Wanda's bad deeds in AoU, no mention of her unexplained telepathic powers, etc). That's traditional enough

>>82355307
Needs a gag

>>82355649
so she's my ideal wife

>>82355737
That's her "I'm about to fuck up Stark" smile.

Will Sam ever get a serum dose so he can be super bro like Steve and Buck? ;-;

>>82355244
its possable that abed went to MIT so.. MCU comunity when?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTiMVaghmP0

>>82355737
I think it's actually Elizabeth Olsen smiling because of Paul Rudd

My ONLY complaint about this movie is that I wish Michael Douglas showed up to punch Tony right in the face.

I'm 40% joking.

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>>82355688
>>82353279
When will he start drinking again to cope?

>>82355811
Who will cameo in Infinity War from Community?

>>82355825

Before CW even ended.

>>82355139

While Tony and Steve are beating each other up Panther actually brings in Zemo, who admits he set the whole thing up so they'd break the Avengers up and Bucky was innocent the whole time.

>>82355790
he's proved surprisingly capable without it

giving him the serum would take away from his human aspect. despite being tremendously skilled he's still in the realm of man

>>82355839
Chang or Jeff. Although Pierce would've been the best, but I don't think they are in great terms.

>>82355817
I think she's just smiling due to Scott being literally the only one who has ever said anything nice to her regarding her abilities.

>>82355823
I want Pym to give him crap for building Ultron

>>82355825
They can't show that in a Disney movie.

Welcome to Obama's Republic of Hitlerstan.

>>82355839
donald glover as miles morales

>>82355839
Alison Brie in one, Gillian Jacobs in the other.
...but ideally Garrett or Leonard

>>82355737
>>82355817
>wanda genuinely oyster smiling at celery man

Why did Rhodes have no issue bringing Cap in?

>>82355856
Neat. So who is in Wakanda besides Cap? Clint, Wanda, Sam, Bucky, and Scott?

>>82355904
>Computer, give me a print out of Wanda smiling.
>Not computing. ;___;

>>82355914
Rhodes is and always has been a G-man. I've always been a fan of the character, but I genuinely did not like him in this. In a good way. I enjoyed how much he pissed me off.

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>>82355839
The true villain, who was pulling Thanos strings all along.

>>82355915
Yep

>>82355839
shirley as misty knights mum

>>82352733
Why should Wanda help Earth if Thanos attacks?

She might decide to be neutral.

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>>82355737
I wish the filth of the world had never gotten to her

>>82355914
He's a company military man, he has zero problems following the Government

>>82355915
I wouldn't bank on Scott being in Wakanda. If he has his shrink-tech back, he's already back in San Fran lying low with the Pyms.

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>>82355930
D E L E T E T H I S

>>82355965
Why would she be neutral when Thanos probably wants to destroy Earth?

>>82354256

Wanda, my friend. You don't mess with Clint's kids.

>>82355915
I think they left it vague enough so they can choose. Wanda is probably somewhere looking for Tilda Swinton, for example. I know Olsen mentioned her and Ejiofor in a podcast recently. Probably to shoot a post-credits scene for Dr. Strange.

Clint lives far enough off the grid so that he can be left in peace at his farm. Tony would be the only one that knew and I don't think he holds a particular grudge against him.

Scott might have gotten back but has to lay low with Hope and Hank. Although if he isn't that might be the origin of the drama in AMaW

Falcon is definitely with Cap.

>>82355941
>>82355975
>has zero problem bringing in his team captain
> the issue wasn't even discussed

Why even put him on the new team then?

>>82355761
Look at her neck.

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>>82355965
>neutral
>not evil
>not NO MORE HUMANS

>>82355915

We don't know. Presumably all of them but we only see Cap and Bucky in the one scene.

There's literally nowhere else for Wanda to go so she's got to be there, and Sam's probably there too, but it's possible Clint and Scott are lying low at their farmhouse/Pym's house instead.

>>82355915
>>82355979
>>82356039

So it isn't addressed what happens to the team after the airport fight? Sam at least has to be, he was KO'd five away from Iron Man.

>>82356059
>implying she won't go "No, more mutants!" when Marvel strikes a deal with Fox

>>82353375
pinche naco por pensar que era méxico

btw, era berlin no barcelona

pinche naco

>>82354512

Everyone deserves a hug. Even Zemo.

>>82356050
She's wearing a collar

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Spider Signal HYPE

>>82352935
> No family
> Becoming a literal God
> Humanity treats you like a non-human
> Little reason to involve herself in humanity
> Feels good being neutral tbqh not-senpai

Humanity might cry "Save us!"

She might well whisper, "No."

>>82356087
Sam was in the Raft, but it's a matter of whether they were taking refuge in Wakanda.

My money is on Cap and Sam in Wakanda while Bucky is on ice there. Scott back with the Pyms, Wanda on her own, in hiding.

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>>82356094
>Marvel finally gets the rights back
>NO MORE MUTANTS immediately to spite Fox and all the X-Men fans

>>82353826
>>Luis is shown as more caring than Superman


Luis remembering the guard he knocked out put a smile on my face

>>82353669
tickets are like $4-5 in 3rd world country, about a third of the price in the US. also the US is like 3000 times the size of your average european country.

>>82356087
They're all locked up in the Raft, but right before the cut to credits, Cap shows up to break them out. No telling where they'll go from there.

>>82356087

They go to the Raft. Tony has a scene where he Clint Sam and Scott argue while they're in their cell (mostly Clint) while Wanda is shown in a straitjacket. And then at the very end of the film Cap is shown breaking into the Raft to bust them out.

Then we're back in Wakanda where Cap and Bucky are with Tchalla. He broke them out but it's not confirmed if everyone went back to Wakanda or if they scattered.

>>82356087
They're arrested and put in The Raft, but Cap breaks them out at the end. We see Cap and Bucky in Wakanda during the credits.

>>82356163
I wonder if Black Panther/one of his sorcerers suggest Wanda goes to Tibet for help. Also, Nat is likely with either Cap or Nick Fury. Clint and Scott probably went back home and are staying low.

>>82356173
I can't believe how much I want Wanda as The Sorcerer Supreme's Apprentice