Captain America : Civil War - Discussion Thread

>Best Moments?
Airport fight, ending fight, Spidermans introduction
>Best Characters?
They're all pretty great, personal favourite of mine is Ant Man though.

They nailed Spider-man and Black Panther.

Best about them

Spidey
>No origin. Not even one mention of radioactive spiders.
>Not necessarily one lines, but good fighting dialogue.
>Good use of web
>Good chemistry with Cap and Tony

Panther
>Moves and fights like a goddamn cat.
>Royal as fuck
>Gives no fucks about shit he deems unimportant
>Had a good arc

Also, Zemo wasn't as bad as people said. Good motivation, and perhaps the most successful villain in the MCU to date. Can't wait for him to return.

9/10. Can't wait for Spider-man and Black Panther.

>"My father made that."

:(

>>82333408
>Can we talk about this? Will the Americans not get butthurt?

As an American, I can say: yes, you can talk about it. We already know most of what happens already and have even seeen the entire airport fight. And No, we wont get butthurt.

Commence the thread.

I feel like this movie had really good character work laid over a really flimsy storyline. Especially at the end there. Zemo's plan was just fucking hoping Tony would show up at the same time Cap and Bucky did.

RDJ was fucking great in this. Makes you remember why he was chosen for the role in the first place. The final fight was intense.

This might sound racist but I had a hard time telling Falcon and Black Panther apart when they were out of costume.

During the Wintersoldier breakout scene when BP kicks him on the stairs I thought "Didnt he already beat up the black guy in the hall?"

>>82333499
What would he had done if Tony hadn't come along? Found some other way to show him the footage?

>>82333274
I saw it.
Guardians of the Galaxy was better than this.
This was very subpar at best, it's very good, don't get me wrong, Giant Man and Spidey were the greatest things ever, but this still felt flat.

>>82333499
No he left the evidence in plain sight knowing Tony isn't completely stupid and would look into it himself at some point.

>>82333504
Falcon dude has a lot skinnier chin and bulgier eyes. Kinda fitting that he has birdlike face.

>>82333274
At the end of the Movie the whole theater was empty. Only me and a old dude waiting for the spidey After credits scene

>>82333408
>Can we talk about this? Will the Americans not get butthurt?
saw the movie two weeks ago at the fan screening tho

>>82333499

His plan was to get the footage, and kill the Winter Soldiers. The fact that Tony and Cap found him together was a bonus.

His plan would still work if Tony hadn't gone at all, he'd just send him the video or something.

>>82333579
Just reminded me of the part where Falcon gets annoyed that his costume gets referred to as a 'bird suit'

>>82333499
Zemo had options regardless of what happened though. If only Cap had showed up, he could have kept the super soldiers alive to fight him. If only Cap and Bucky showed up, he could have used the codes to reactivate Bucky.

>>82333465
That young Tony scene

>"I love you dad"
>"And that's what I wish had happened"

>"Tony, nothing you do will change your parents deaths"
>"I don't care. He killed my mom"



Fuck. Felt pretty bad for Tony. he is good at hiding his parent issues

>>82333592

In mine, nearly every single person waited until the second post credit scene ended.

It was a theater with 450+ people too.

>>82333584
Meh, CW was honestly better, but neither movie was very good.
That 94% on RT is about 50% more than it deserves.

>>82333534
I guess? He seemed to be doing it from a 70s era Soviet Bunker, but if he could just fucking email it with a really easy electronic trail that he can track to his base, it could work.
Still, seemed like his master plan was just to break in to the bunker and use the tv there
He could have kept the goddamn super soldiers

Someone thinks Zemo could be back in the future?

>>82333504
Falcon is the guy who looks like Will Smith and Boseman carries himself with swagger like a goddamn African King.

You learn to tell them apart after a while, like the Ninja Turtles.

>>82333504

You're right. That did sound racist.

>>82333463
>Also, Zemo wasn't as bad as people said
People thought he was bad?

He's one of the few MCU villains so far that was actually interesting.

>>82333627
That cgi young tony looks weird.

How much does Gwyneth Paltrow charge for a movie? She hasn't been in the mcu sonce IM3.

>>82333584
I'm so happy the movie didn't end with a let's fight against a baddie and solve our differences!

>>82333632
Your opinion is pretty shit. Why didn't you like it?

I literally just watched it. It was great, loved the airport scene and they gave us the best Hawkeye so far. Loved GiANTS and Spidey, the Falcon and Bucky moments were also great.

>>82333634
Zemo's master plan was never fixed. He exploited circumstances as they came up.

>>82333668
First round of reviews didn't seem to like him, later ones were a lot more positive.

>>82333674
I was pretty impressed. It looked exactly like young RDJ, and if I hadn't known it couldn't be possible I would probably have thought it was real.

>>82333702
I was honestly expecting that and fearing the worst, but I'm so glad it didn't.

>>82333274
So much shit was done so right in this film

I could talk for hours but in summary THIS is how you do a dark superhero film.

Not long boring diatribes about Gods and body counts in the thousands, with no levity or colour.

No.

Real people dealing with real problems of guilt, moral conflict and betrayal. That last shot of the bloodied Tony, lying down, broken. That sense that he's crossed a line and air of pathetic self pity... shit dude. That's dark. That's the real shit.

>>82333640
I'm sure he'll be back. I wonder how he will become a badass sword wielding bad guy tho. Maybe he also found some super soldier serum?

>>82333640
Of course. The living are not done with you yet.

>>82333463
I felt T'Challa part was kinda weak but I liked how they actually did something with his character instead of being a glorified cameo. This movie had probably the best Stark since IM1 too.

>>82333703
I have no one to blame but myself, spoilers ruined the movie for me.
Fuck.
But I did love Spider-Man way too much, I was legitimately sad when he said he was done.

>>82333724
He was fine. He wasnt the focus either. He was a metaphor for what vengence does, and what its doing to the characters. He's not a big bad guy to get killed at the end, hes an instigator for the real focus on Tony and Cap

>>82333632
RT score means the percentage pf people who liked it.
94% seems about right

>>82333737
This. They did everything I had hoped they'd do with Tony.

>>82333674
CG Michael Douglas looked pretty weird too. Probably because his skin was too smooth and dull, and his mouth was too low on his head. Heard this one's not perfect but better though. And both are better than old Peggy.

>>82333740
There's a whole bunch of ways. We know Zemo was a black ops commander so he already has combat experience. We know his dad is dead and lived in the country, but not a lot about him. Zemo could actually still have his aristocratic background and swordsmanship and we've just not seen it yet. He might develop those skills in prison, or once he gets out of it. He knows the enhancement procedure HYDRA used on the Winter Soldiers and he might be able to use that.

It doesn't matter though. Zemo had no powers and that didn't matter at all in this film.

>>82333674
It's not my issue, but when they actually used RDJ's voice for young Tony, that felt out of place

>>82333500
This so fucking much. I truly felt sorry for him through the movie.

>>82333499
Kinda underwhelmed by Zemo plan being weak as fuck and >muh dad. For a moment I thought the Thunderbolts were being be set up with the other Winter Soldiers

>>82333737
There was a lot of dark, depressing material in the film, but it knew how and when to add a bit of fun.

Plus the dark depressing stuff was justified, built up and entertaining. I didnt realise till after I saw it that this film is actually a 15, Im surprised they made a Marvel film little kids are literally not allowed to see.

>>82333634
>He could have kept the goddamn super soldiers
He is just one guy, he doesn't have the means to control 5 men. As soon as any one of them break from their orders he would be able to do nothing. The assumption that Zemo could destroy a country with them is by thinking he had an organisation who works for him, but for the entire film it was just him alone, doing all the work personally.

Perfect Spider-man.

Perfect Panther.

Perfect ANTS.

>>82333816
It's only 11 in my country.

>>82333813
>Kinda underwhelmed by Zemo plan being weak as fuck
How?
>For a moment I thought the Thunderbolts were being be set up with the other Winter Soldiers
That would be fucking awful.

>>82333640
>Thunderbolts shilling everywhere
He's coming back.

>>82333668
>muh dad
>interesting
He was kinda meh.

>>82333816
>>82333835
Where do you live? All of them have been rated PG13 in the US.

>>82333835
Huh. Different countries I suppose.

Keeping in mind this film has [spoilers] suicide bombers, dead innocents, a decent bit of blood, a decent bit of swearing etc [/spoiler]

Not that its excessive. Its all deserved

>>82333816
>but it knew how and when to add a bit of fun
I loved how everybody started quipping during the airport part.

>>82333702
I love that they started to only to be turned against each other again.

>>82333674
>That cgi young tony looks weird.
They can get away with it because it isn't meant to be "real", but be an in-universe CGI. More importantly Tony Stark made it, and he likely models his young self after what he thinks he should look like, and our image of ourselves is always different from what we really are.

>>82333828
>He is just one guy, he doesn't have the means to control 5 men.
Did we watch the same movie? I'm pretty sure this Zemo could pull off controlling a Winter Soldier kill squad. But why would he? His whole intention was to destroy the Avengers and these unilateral superheroes as a force. He wouldn't want to replace it yet, anyway. It plays into what Vision was saying about the accelerating presence of enhanced humans and the problems they cause.

>>82333858
England. Its how I saw the film this early

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How did your theater react to this?

This moment got the loudest reaction of anything during the airport battle. I felt like a lot of people didn't even know that it was something Scott could do.

Young RDJ had that voice.

I do gotta admit, this was the darkest toned Marvel Movie to date.
There were very few quips, and like 80% of them came from Spider-Man.
Hopefully the rest of the MCU will be like this.

>>82333858
Denmark. 15 is the highest possible rating for a non-pornographic movie here.

>>82333851
>How?
>get them to fight and hope one of them kills eachother
I think I have more a problem with his motivations though.

>>82333903
Everyone went insane

People broke out for appluase during that moment

>>82333903
I thought it was great. Worst part of the airport scene for me was when Vision downed Rhodey. That was a fuckup.

>>82333919
TWS was pretty dark in tone too.

>>82333903
It was so fucking great. ANTS was great.

>tfw you'll never go to the raft, hug scott and tell him everything will be alright

>>82333895
>Did we watch the same movie? I'm pretty sure this Zemo could pull off controlling a Winter Soldier kill squad.
Thing is if Zemo wanted a kill squad, he would have put at least a team together BEFORE hand. He had the means to get followers if he wanted, he choose not to. Since he was planning to An Hero at the end, there was no need for any kind of team.

>>82333903
There literally was no reaction, a couple gasps, but other than that, silence.
I think I might have been the only one in my screening that actually enjoyed the movie.

>>82333922
Zemo wasn't playing a fixed game. Even him kicking his plan into action is exploiting the opportunity created by the mercenary action Crossbones was leading. IDK if you are a Zemo fan in the comics at all, but roulette gambits where he can exploit any possible outcome are one of his things.

I can't understand what problem you had with his motivations. They were clear, effective and not yet another 'destroy the world' scheme.

>>82333919
It felt so good how Zemo didn't quip at all and RDJ got super serious in the final battle.

>>82333940
>i got distracted
WandaXVision is happening and we'll get Cyborg Rhodey.

>>82333274
>Was told Spider-Man would be THE BEST SPIDER-MAN EVER
>Just get another Wonder Woman-esque extended cameo

I hate reviewers who lie to people so much.

>>82333615
In the German dub it's "bird costume", which is a bit more insulting, I think.

>>82333881
Not much, but a lot of quips came from spider-man and ant-man. Hawkeye has some, Falcon has some, but not much. Heck, even quipmaster like Iron Man didn't quip much. I like how the interaction of the fight regarded to the situation, and not some out of place running gag like "language"

I didn't feel like Panther was gonna be able to support a solo movie.

I no longer feel this way.

God damn he was great. I hope he does end up fighting Andy Serkis as Klaw in his movie.

>>82334000
Trips confirms this as truth

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>this fucking happened
I wasn't expecting that.

>>82334004
>even quipmaster like Iron Man didn't quip much
He was generally a depressed wreck in the scenes that weren't lighthearted.

Wait, so Zemo was trying to kill the Avengers because of Sokovia. Why was he trying to kill the Winter Soldiers? Bucky wasn't even there.

>>82333966
This. Zemo wasnt a genius mastermind who had this all planned out.
No, he saw an opportunity and took it. He knew that having the proof he did would tear the group apart, and it did.

>>82333812
>but when they actually used RDJ's voice for young Tony, that felt out of place

I didn't think so. He doesn't really sound that much different than he did 25/30 years ago.

>>82334006
Goddamn his fight scenes were so fucking cool. Helps that the full-body suit makes it easier for stuntmen to cover for him.

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>>82333274
Good ol' Spidey was my favourite part of the movie.

>>82334006
>Hi, I'm Clint.
>I don't care.
Motherfucker was brutal, Boseman did a killer job with his character.
I'm excited for his movie. I really am.

>>82334042
It works SO MUCH BETTER in the context of it being a Peggy saying about the problems she faced. In the funeral. Without preaching the whole spiel at somebody.

>>82334000
What did you expect. Anyone who hadn't been spoiled thought he was going to be in it 5 minutes max, what we got was much more.

>>82333961
Man, that must be felt awkward. Everybody in my theatre cheered for every moments in the airport

>Hawkeye finally felt like Hawkeye

If Steve wasn't there, Tony would have killed Bucky.
Would Steve have forgiven him, given the circumstances?

>>82333274
This is all I want to know.
Do they say "Avengers Assemble!" at some point after Whedon blueballed us?

>>82334048
>Wait, so Zemo was trying to kill the Avengers because of Sokovia. Why was he trying to kill the Winter Soldiers? Bucky wasn't even there.
Zemo wasn't interested in ruling the world and has no love for Hydra OR Shield, he considers all superpowered people a threat, which likely included these frozen guys. He doesn't want or need an army. He just want the Avengers to fall apart.

>>82334091
Yeah, I'm not complaining. I actually liked they included that whole speech in the movie.

>>82334091
And in the context of Agent Carter too.

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>>82334000
>Jeremy Jahns hyped me to death by starting his review calling Tom Holland amazing
>He's not even in the movie very long
>This somehow makes him better than Tobey or Andrew just because he does what they did nowhere near as good in a condensed form.

Yes, I am a little bit upset. The rest of the movie was good.

>>82334112
That would have been Steve's supervillain origin story.

>>82334115
I'm legit mad that this might not happen until Infinity War II.
Fuck you, Whedon.

>>82334115
Nope

>>82334048
He wasnt. He wanted to lead them to one place and fuck them up. When he found out about the five WSs, he ofcourse wanted them dead.

As people have said, Zemo wasnt a mastermind having it all planned out. He took his opportunities as he went. Ofcourse he wanted the Captain america doubles dead

>>82333903

It was pretty boss. Liked that Spidey got his (to my knowledge) first onscreen cuss from reacting to it. Also;

>Okay, tiny dude is big now, he's big now!

>>82334000
How were they lying? No one said he was a main character.

>>82334112
Probably not. It wouldn't be justified at all, since Bucky was being controlled.

>>82334115
No.

>>82333812
>It's not my issue, but when they actually used RDJ's voice for young Tony, that felt out of place
Because it wasn't meant to be a realistic scene, it was an in-universe self-therapy 3D CGI sequence that Tony Stark me for himself. So Stark would have no reason to use his real teenage voice because he made it for his own viewing.

>>82334095
But really? The BEST Spider-Man? People cannot simply make a bold and dishonest claim like that with such smugness and then tell others "What did you expect?"

>>82334136
More like Tony's super villain story. CA saved him from himself

>>82334000
He was in it 20-25 minutes, how much were you expecting? It's still a Captain America movie.

Cap didn't tell Tony for 2 years that he knew Bucky killed his parents. At least he acknowledges that it was a bad move, but damn.

>>82334152
>>82334095
Why are people already deflecting peeves?

>>82334207
>pepper ditches him
>still sad about the ultron incident
>best friend gets paralyzed
Being Tony is suffering

>>82334177
Never made that claim, also wasn't a complete retard who believe something that is only a camo can be called 'THE BEST'. We all knew he wasn't going to be a major character. He has the potential to be the best movie incarnation though.

>>82334077
I loved that part

>>82334173
I got weird vibe when thinking it was a flashback, but turned out it was just hologram, so i'm fine with it

>>82333737
Oh yeah. The broken boy with his broken toys, broken dreams, broken bonds.
Alone and grieving for all he lost, watching the man who was a friend walk away.
At the bottom of a missile silo in fucking Siberia.
That's how you spell hopeless.

>>82334226
We're discussing the movie aren't we? Are all different opinions deflecting?

>>82334177
Easily the best Spider-Man. Just a shame they had to make the costume different to distance it from ASM2's best costume.

Tobey Maguire was a poor casting. Garfield was good in costume. Holland is great as both.

>>82334061
>dat triple swing kick to Cap

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>>82334000
He's not in it long enough. I don't care what anybody says, he's not the best Spidey until Homecoming. Anybody who says he is are just liars and hypocrites since he's just pocket-Garfield.

>>82334177
How is it dishonest? It's an opinion and honestly a valid one. He acts more like Spider-Man in the short time we spent with him than Maguire and Garfield did in five movies. Nothing about this opinion suggests he has a bigger role.

>>82334299
You're both moving the goal posts rather than directly addressing the problem of overhyping his character prior to release.

>>82334330
Second panel would be better without the text.

>>82334270
>Other best friend sides with the dude who killed his parents over him

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>>82334270
>>82334290
>>82334207
Prior to watching this I said all I wanted to see was Iron Manlet get his shit slapped and called out for being a dick in AOU. I sure did... it didn't.. feel very good.

>Mfw the Russo's made me feel bad for Tony

>>82334207
>At least he acknowledges that it was a bad move, but damn.
Understandable that maybe, Steve believe it is possible to hide it forever. It isn't something that would do any GOOD, if he actually told him. But of course the reverse is that by not telling Tony, Steve end up causing something bad.

>>82334270
>>82334290
Tony..Tony had a hard couple of months.

>>82334344
He's just Andrew Garfield recasted. Also, comparing a cameo to Spider-Man 1 or 2 or TASM 1 or 2 isn't fair or valid. I can see why people compare Tobey and Andrew but it's nigh impossible to properly compare Holland to either without being disingenuous.

>>82334306

I love how Spidey felt like a cocky, brash extension of Peter instead of a completely different persona.

He was still a kid in there, but feeling brave and super excited.

"You have the right to remain silent!"

Anybody got the link to the airport fight or the full movie

>>82334371
Seconded

so wtf dies cap die and if he does will he fucking stay dead?

>>82334330
Yeah I am also waiting for Homecoming to make a decision, but I liked what I saw. I'm not sure if I dig the whole SO GEEKY shit, though.

>>82334271
Potential, but not until Homecoming or it's sequel will we get the benefits of that if we ever really can

>>82334444
It's past your bed time

>>82333940
> Rhodey thinking "I'll get that red-faced cunt" and teaching the incompetent little shit a lesson.

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How was Giant-man able to tank all those bullets, missiles and hits?

Or this is another case of Pym Particles?

>Captcha asks for Oranges

>>82334372
>Cap
>Tony's best friend
You fell for the meme. Their MCU incarnations never got along.

>>82334452
I'll take geek over Garfield's hipster any day of the week.

How's the movie overall?

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Oh for fucks sake.

>>82334385
With Whedon I only saw a smug asshole. With this movie I saw a sad broken man that needs a hug.

>>82334425
>instead of a completely different persona.

Uh, Spider-Man IS a completely different persona though. That's what makes Spider-Man/Peter Parker a dynamic and not just one person

>>82334385
>He literally only has Rhodey right now.
God damn.

>>82334452
>I'm not sure if I dig the whole SO GEEKY shit, though
m8 do we know the same Peter Parker

>>82334404
Andrew Garfield had a few quips but they weren't that frequent. Tom Holland on the other hand is talking to his opponent for the entire fight and getting on their nerves.

>>82334501
I give it a 8/10. Biased because I love capeshit. It was good capeshit. Some of the best.

>>82333940
The actual event looked really awkward and anticlimactic compared to what the trailers made it out to be. I thought Vision did it because he got controlled or something when it was a small "whoops" moment. Though Tony blasting Falcon when he tried to help was kinda hilarious.

>>82334514
And Vision.

>>82334500
Garfield was more of an aspergered weeaboo. Even if we never saw him watch cancer, he acted like an autistic-yet-still-functioning type, which is still technically considered "nerdy."

>>82334501
8-9/10 for general audiences

9-10/10 for cape lovers. Honestly one of the all time best.

>>82334501
Just below Winter Soldier but vastly superior to Age of Ultron

>>82334481
I think he shielded himself with the truck at the right moment just like how all the gunfire was blocked by Bucky's metal arm at the start of the movie.

>that shield don't follows the laws of physics!
Or maybe just capes shenanigans

>>82334512
Avengers and AoU always made Tony super smug. All the IronMan movies and this showed how the situation effects him.

>>82334510
Can't understand borscht, what does that actually mean?

Best Moments?
>The living are not done with you yet
>Your Highness
>GiANTS
>Tony's parents' deaths reveal
>Falcon and Bucky interactions
Best Characters?
>Spidey
>Black Panther
>Zemo

>>82334513

That's not interesting, that's just shit writing.

The best incarnations of Spider-Man are the ones in which Spidey is an extension of Peter, not a completely different person.

>>82333782

If you mean Young Hank Pym in Antman wasn't he played by a totally different actor?

>>82334593
That even spic dub writers know Bucky is gay as fuck.

>>82334577
I'd honestly put it above Winter Soldier and Winter Soldier was golden.

>>82334521
>A few

Nigga one of the criticisms a lot of Raimifags had was that he did it too much. Holland also does it a lot, almost as much as Garfield.

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>>82334510
kek

>>82333812

Why? He's like 20 there. Your voice has long matured by then.

>>82334597
>I THOUGHT IT WAS A WATER TRUCK

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>have to wait one more week for the movie
Just fuck my shit up senpai.

>>82334601
No that's Spider-Man. Iron Man is an extension of Tony Stark's persona. Spider-Man is not Peter Parker. THAT'S bad writing to try and mesh the two. Spider-Man is the struggle between persona and self, thus the title, it's not about embracing both as one.

>>82334611
>Bucky was smiling on the outside, but deep inside he was bawling as Sharon cucked him

>>82334501
Better than Winter Soldier. 9-10/10 capemovie.

>>82334643
Oh yeah, and that.

>>82334615
You honestly think there can't be character studies in cape films?

Dude, you can have character studies for fucking Peanuts, newspaper strips.

Besides, the film is a 15 in the Uk, so not for kids.

Where's the camrip already?

So nobody has a link

>>82334542
Vision also had it pretty bad.

>reach the logical conclusion that supers generate chaos
>only wants to protect his waifu's smile and then Clint comes and fucks everything up
>responsible of paralyzing uncle Rhodey
>dad puts waifu in bondage and throws her into a prison under the sea
>ends alone
>will probably be kill when Thanos comes to get the gem

>>82333668
He's one of the better villains in the MCU movies, but I think that says more about how awful most of their other villains have been than how good Zemo was.

>>82334647
This movie was the Avengers divorcing.

>>82334623
Not really. In ASM1, outside the car-jacking scene, when does he quip?

>>82334658
>First Peggy, now this younger Peggy.
>Why won't Steve kiss me like that?
>I miss being frozen.

>>82333592
It was weird, half of the crowd left as soon as the film ended, and then as the mid-credits scene was starting one woman remarked "hah, you shouldn't have left" and after the mid-credit scene she left, without waiting for the post-credit scene.

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>>82334643
That and
>Can you move your seat forward?

had the audience in tears in my cinema

>>82334623
Yeah but that's because they're Raimifags. My point is Spider-Man doesn't just make quips, he comments on just about everything in a fight. This is something Tom Holland's Spidey does that Andrew Garfield's didn't.

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>>82334705
Will they ever recover?

>>82334643
>Hank Pym told me to not trust any Stark!
>who are you?

>>82334510
Do you think HYDRA raped him gay to test out how the super serum affected his sphincter?

>>82333668
He is lacking some of the comic charme.

>>82334647
What are you doing here? Like all films, its best unspoiled. Treat yourself and dont look shit up

>>82333919
Very few quips? Are you shitting me? The airport fight was full of quips

>>82334501
Either the best or second best in the MCU so far.

>>82334705
>Divorcing
Nah, just a very long separation. No papers have been signed yet.

>>82334705
Wrong it was the about the forbidden love of Cap and Buck.

>>82334705
So, Vision and Wanda are the children?

>>82333674
Yeah, but it was supposed to be CGI in-universe. If anything, I think they should have made his parents look more CGI in that scene, so it was consistent.

>>82334772
At least the quips were good and not like Whedon quips

>>82334721
>Quips in two of the four battles with Lizard
>Is seen swinging and being a dumb teenager, making a name for himself

Mind you these scenes were more in depth and gave people more time to enjoy Spider-Man since it was his own movie. The airport fight is only 15 minutes long, and of those Spidey is only in it doing things sparsly.

This is why it's not fair to ever say Tom is better than Tobey or Andrew, because time is not on his side and it's dishonest all things considered.

>>82334772
The airport fight was, but outside of that, it's pretty serious.

Vs lizard in the school
In tasm2 a couple times

>>82334815
And in all the right places.

>>82334815
Plus it wasnt everyone. Iron Man and Steve took the fight very seriously, while Ant-Man and spider-man obviously were less grim about the matter

>>82334652

You're just pulling that out of your ass. Have you ever even read a single Spider-Man story?

Spidey is literally just Peter with a mask.

Peter is a pretty snarky guy himself. He's suave, smart and quick thinking. When he puts on the mask, he just becomes all of those things turned to 11 since he doesn't have to answer for anything he says or does.

Spider-Man is not about the struggle of persona and self, he doesn't put on an act when he dons the costume. It's about the struggle of leading a normal life while being a super powered freak, it's about having to save lives and trying to pay your rent, it's about POWER and RESPONSIBILITY.

>>82334828
Tony the usual quipster is having a shit time throughout most of the movie.

So Bucky in Wakanda.
> Cap also in Wakanda.
> Scott likely to go back to Pym.
> Wanda likely to meet Strange and leave Earth to train and become a Witch.
> Tony to make friends with Mr. Jack Daniels.
> Spiderman to be shoehorned into every available orifice.
> Vision stuck in HQ twiddling his thumbs.
> Black Widow likely in Wakanda for BP movie.
> Rhodey to become WannaCyber.

>>82334772
It made sense in the Airport fight. Tony of all characters also played the role seriously since he's the secondary antagonist. Seriously you're full of shit if you deny Tony isn't the bad guy regardless of how "right" the movie forces him to look.

>>82334427
Get off your lazy ass and go to your nearest theater.

>>82334851
>the only "quips" tony did during that scene were him being annoyed at spidey

>>82334866
I think all of Cap's team is in Wakanda in the ending.
I mean, it wouldn't make sense for everyone to go their separate ways.

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>>82334796
>Cap just wants to go back to his one love but his concubine Tony isn't having it so he goes yandere on Bucky

So I guess nope has that link huh
Damn I've been looking for it since Wednesday

>>82334866
>Tony to make friend with Mr. Jack Daniels.
God, I don't wanna see drunk, depressed Tony again. It hurts too much.

>>82334890
Scott surely went back to Pym. The others might be in Wakanda.

Will Marvel ever make a movie that actually has a decent sheen? This looks like some low budget TV shit. How am I supposed to take them seriously as superhumans when they shoot them like a bunch of dorks in costumes?

>>82334748
Does anyone have the gif of RDJ kissing Sebastian Stan on the cheek?

>>82334853
>Spidey is Peter with a mask

Are you fucking retarded?

>Peter is a pretty snarky guy himself.

Yep, you are. Peter Parker is meek and timid where Spider-Man lets him show off a more assholey side of him. Any snark Peter has is usually done to people he truly trusts with his alter ego's identity, or in his head.

>>82334874
There is no bad guy other than Zemo, anon.

>>82334892
>meanwhile Falcon is hoping senpai notices him someday but helps him anyway because senpai's happiness is also his happiness

>>82334853
You're an idiot.

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>>82334923
Why is everyone in this cast so fucking gay.
And why don't Scarjo and Olsen do this.

>>82334924
>Peter Parker is meek and timid
You really have not read Spider-Man.

>>82333966
>Even him kicking his plan into action is exploiting the opportunity created by the mercenary action Crossbones was leading
I'm pretty sure that was Zemo's doing with a Bucky disguise.

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>>82334723
pls don't bully
Bucky had a hard life

>>82334955
Because Blacked Widow a slut and Wanda has Vision.

>>82333668
I'm hoping that Zemo will get his time to shine as Citizen V in the possibly upcoming Thunderbolts movie.

>>82334924

>Peter Parker is meek and timid

Yeah in 1962 maybe.

> Spider-Man lets him show off a more assholey side of him

That's literally what I said. He puts the mask, the becomes a bit more assholish, since he doesn't have to answer for his actions, but he's still 100% Peter.

Seriously, go read a fucking comic book, because you're literally describing movie Peter, not comic book Peter.

>>82334937
>Iron Man isn't the bad guy
>Breaks up the Avengers
>Signs his and many of his team members rights away
>Zemo is most likely Hyrda and it isn't revealed yet which will retroactively confirm Tony, once again, fucks everything up
>Betrays literally everybody because of HIS own fuck ups

Just because you can sympathize with a villain doesn't make him not a villain anon. It just so happens this movie did what the original Civil War event failed to do so you're able to sympathize with his NSA-white knighting ass

>>82334987
:3

>>82334723
>I miss being frozen
Ironically enough he ended frozen again I wonder if he'll show up during Black Panther.

>>82334853
I'd say you're both kind of right. Spider-Man is Peter being himself but he's being the parts of himself he can't be as Peter Parker.

>>82334985
The raid on the disease control center by Crossbones and the Nigerian mercenaries was Zemo with a Bucky disguise?

>>82334002
The dub is not wrong, that's what it is in English as well, anon just got it wrong.

>>82334908
Why would you want to ruin the best part of the movie by watching a shitty cam rip when you can just watch it in a theatre?

Not trying to shill, but you're depriving yourself of the full experience.

Still nobody knows of a link

>>82334980
>>82335014
>People who don't read the comics say others don't read the comics

None of you were into Marvel prior to the MCU, huh?

>>82335039
>Xbones mentions that Bucky hired them and that Bucky inferred that he should an hero
>Zemo had a Buck disguise/mask
I think so, I just assumed it was all part of his keikaku.

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>>82334705
>>82334796
>>82334892
It's actually about Cap trying to save his husbando from getting BLACKED.

>>82335073
I didn't know Snyder had an alternative twitter account,

>>82335035

That's what I said in my original post, that I liked this version of him because it was a clear extension of Peter. It was a 15 year old kid being cocky and dickish because he could, he has a mask and a cool costume on and no one can give him shit for it, but he's still an awkward, nerdy kid.

It the previous two incarnations, he was either a generic serious hero guy, or a completely different Jokester persona.

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>>82335091
Shame he got stealth BLACKED.

>>82335085
>Xbones mentions that Bucky hired them
When? He refers to Bucky. That isn't the same thing.

>an earlier post I made was deleted for no reason

Fuck off mods

>>82334950
The plots may be quite different but with this movie you actually see a friendship, a trust being destroyed (and repaired a bit at the end), the toll is more emotional than physical. Of course it really only works because of the long setup of the MCU and that's why I wish BvS was setup in a similar way.

>>82334738
When 13 kisses Steve and they move the camera to inside the car, my audience lost it. Funny as hell.

Also, why the fuck hasn't Widow been killed off and replace by 13 already?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVdJLxJQmcY

Because I saw a small part of it And I'm addicted I just need to see it through then I'll be fine till thursday

>>82335091
Why wouldn't he just him with his fucking shield?

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>>82335124
>Sebastian Stan will never look at you like that

>>82335098
It's the truth though, Marvel has no sheen.

>>82335074

>talks bullshit
>gets called out
>gets butthurt

You could just admit you're wrong and grow as a person.

>>82335124
>tfw Bucky is a slut
Him and Black Widow deserve eachother.

>>82334802
Strange is gonna be the guy who swoops in and adopts Wanda and leaves Vision with Cuntdad (Ross).

>>82335126
I'm pretty sure he does, even if he doesn't, it seems odd that he met the actual Bucky and had a conversation with him, since TWS.

>>82335091
>Cap got a facefull of that glorious Panther ass
jealous

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>>82335124
>Olsen disgusted at the homos

>tfw have to wait 2 years for Black Panther and get to know even a little bit of what the Avengers are up to again

>>82335177
>>82335149
Oh god he looks like Javier Bardem with that awful lemon haircut.

>>82335091
>you will never get tackled by Evans as the cops chase you through the streets of Berlin
Why even live?

>>82335142
Bullets and shit bounce off of Panther.

>>82335203
I wouldn't have minded a Secret Avengers movie instead of Thor 3 desu.

>>82335244
>no Secret Avengers Netflix show
Even if we got a 30 minute episode a month, it would be GOAT.

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>>82335170
>tfw HYDRA used Bucky as their personal onahole for 70 years

>>82335168
>Projecting
>Will probably resort to NO YOU right after calling out you're projecting aspects of yourself and your posts onto people opposing you

You're the kinda faggot who pathologically lies because it suits what you want to see in things.

Or basically, any /co/mrade who only actually indulges in movies and not the source material

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>>82335267
>b-b-but muh Chelsy
He was a faggot and you know it.

>>82335244
Will Thor finally get a good movie? I mean, even Iron Man has a good one.

No reference to Daredevil?

>>82335014
You're still retarded.

>>82335307
It has Hulk in it, so it may be interesting.
Don't expect much though.

>>82335244
A huge part of why this movie was so good is the lack of shiThor tBh. They should can his entire franchise.

>>82335307
They finally ditched Jane and Darcy so maybe.

>>82335299

What the fuck? You're the one who went "no you" when I told you to read the comics.

Peter is nothing like what you described him in the comics, and you failed to provide any solid counter arguments.

>>82335317

And at least wait a bit before replying, your same fagging is obvious.

>>82335313
Don't expect much relations between the shows and the movies until Ike Perlmutter is kicked out.

>>82334917

He can't. He's a wanted man now. All of team Cap are. Pym can't protect him from jail.

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>>82334099

This is secretly the best thing to come out of Civil War.

Hawkeye is acting like Hawkeye for the first time since Thor.

>>82335302
>not knowing what "sheen" is

Do you even movies?
>>82335313
The movies don't give one solitary fuck about the tv shows.

>>82335313
He's not really relevant to this story.

>>82335344
>Pym can't protect him from jail.

Also isn't Pym gonna die IRL soon? I can't be bothered to know the guy's real name but I read something like that.

>>82335344
So how is Ant-Man and Wasp going to happen?

Is the OST out yet?

>>82335342
The movies will affect the shows, but don't expect the tail to wag the dog anytime soon.

>>82335344

I'm really curious as to how they're gonna set Ant-man and the Wasp

Where do they even begin the story?

>>82335424
Just listen to one of the other MCU soundtracks, they're all the fucking same.

>>82335341
>Somebody did not like what I said so it must be the same guy

Retard.

>>82335456
Iron Man 1 and Winter Soldier OSTs are the only two that stand out though.

>>82335439
Considering it'll come out between IW 1 and 2, it could be Ant-Man's and Wasp's paper on the war against Thanos.

>>82335127
>When 13 kisses Steve and they move the camera to inside the car, my audience lost it
Same, I think now that the trilogy is over, Cap should die in IW and then have a buddy/legacy film with Buck and Falcon. I love their interactions on and off screen.

Aunt May was so fucking hot

End credits scene spoilers?

>>82335486
>Tony will be banging dat ass now
I'm jelly.

>>82335484
Evans said that he would be up to extending it's contract.
>yfw Cap 4 is just about Cap, Bucky and Falcon
Would be GOAT.

>>82335514
On a road trip.

>>82335494
Go see Black Panther and Spider-Man: Homecoming.

>>82335528
Those are post-credits.

>>82335376
>So how is Ant-Man and Wasp going to happen?
Scott got rescued at the end. He might be wanted, but since Pym has a secret lab he could just stay there. But it does give Antman and the Wasp a good excuse for Scott to not do most of the work and have the Wasp have the spotlihjy, if he want to stay off the radar for a while. Being an ex-con is not the same as being an escaped maximum security prisoner.

>>82335484
>I love their interactions on and off screen.

They have great chemistry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFXfXjg1KYk

>>82335541
>Scott just wanted to go straight for his daughter but now he's a super wanted ex-con

>>82335508
>>Tony will be banging dat ass now
>I'm jelly.
I think RDJ played that role in an older film with the same actress.

>>82335527
Rated H for Hentai

>>82333763
>He was a metaphor for what vengence does, and what its doing to the characters

This. There's a great moment between him and T'Challa at the end where that's pretty much spelled out.

>>82335494

Really nothing major this time. Bucky goes back on ice in Wakanda, and Peter's at home telling Aunt May about how he got beat up by A guy named Steve from Brooklyn and his really big friend, when he founds out Tony built the Spider Signal into his new suit.

On the note of stingers, who else loved the way Wakanda looked? I loved the contrast between futurism against the jungle.

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What I really like about the last fight was Tony finally snaps and lashes out on Steve because he was jealous of how his father praises him more

>>82335634
Was expecting generic future cityscape
Instead got MIST PANTHER
HYPE

>>82335663
>He killed my mom!
>i hear someone say "and she was called martha"

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>>82335663
>IT'S YOU WHO'S OUT OF YOUR MIND SPIDEY

I've always thought this, but doesn't wearing a Vibranium suit kind of make Black Panther a little overpowered? He's as good as Captain America, a genius and he's wearing a Vibranium suit.

Sticky when

>>82335720
also the royal drug thingy he takes to heighten his senses (dunno if they have that in the MCU)

>>82335720
>I've always thought this, but doesn't wearing a Vibranium suit kind of make Black Panther a little overpowered? He's as good as Captain America, a genius and he's wearing a Vibranium suit.
Wanda can already beat any of the supersoldiers one-on-one. And Vision is basically Superman. Compare to these two, Black Panther is not that much stronger than Winter Soldier with guns and killing intent or Steve with shield.

>>82335720
You're talking about the same guy who put the Surfer in a headlock.

>>82335558
>Scott just wanted to go straight but Cap made him hard gay
fixed

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>>82335692
>He killed my mom!
>Deliberately does not say 'my parent's even though he just saw his father get brutally beaten and shot on screen

Made me kind of sad desu.

>>82335812
Tony still had mixed feelings for his dad. His mom though, she was the world to him.

>>82335812
Even if he loved him Howard was a dick to him growing up. I'm kinda glad he didn't just 180 on his dad like that after Iron Man 2 just because he knew the truth, because there were probably better ways for his father to have expressed it.

Can this thread get stickied?

>>82335852
'no'

>>82335802
kek

>>82333551
i feel bad for you
i loved everything about this film

>>82335720
I'm wondering how they'll deal with the impenetrable suit
You can take away Cap's shield, SW is still spongy underneath the powers, Vision is vulnerable to EMPs or something
I guess he could just be overpowered and pinned down

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>>82333674
i thaught he looked like pee wee hermen

>>82333551
>tfw liked most of the other Marvel movies but didn't enjoy Guardians very much at all
I'd put it above both the Thors and Iron Man 2 but it was painfully unfunny at times, even compared to Age of Ultron.

"MY FATHER MADE THAT SHIELD!"

>>82335977
I actually liked that part. Nice way to tie in the first movie and come back full circle.

>>82335958
The Vibranium suit doesn't seem to be as tough as Cap's shield, so it might not be able to take larger impacts.

>>82334955
Are you suggesting Scarjo should sit Olsen on her lap and kiss her while groping her tits and sliding her fingers into Lizzie's pants and making her groan and mewl softly, while bouncing her up and down to make her tits bounce

At least the film kind of showed Cap's biggest flaw, refusing to let go of the past.

>>82333551
>>82335971
>loved CW, WS and ANTS but Guardians is still my favourite MCU movie
Aside from that boring Ronan that movie was pretty fucking good.

>>82336032
>Aside from that boring Ronan that movie was pretty fucking good.
Guardians also had the major flaw that all the fight scenes sucked. But they apparently hired the Winter Soldier fight coordinator for GotG2, so I think Marvel wants to fix that for the sequel.

>>82334937
Zemo wasn't the bad guy, he was an antagonist just like Tony.

>>82334955
Has Chadwick Boseman done any group interviews with the rest? I know Bruhl did.

>>82336023
>At least the film kind of showed Cap's biggest flaw, refusing to let go of the past.
After Peggy died, Bucky is all he's got. But at least he is moving on and have a girlfriend.

>yet another film where the resolution is the Avengers being fractured ("beyond repair")
Why do they keep doing this? I like the idea of a shared universe and how fluid the aspects of it have been so far, but the whole concept and dynamic of the Avengers themselves doesn't make sense in the context of the universe anymore. I'm fine with a rotating roster or the like but this fucking bullshit where the team is reconfigured into a new bunch of loosely affiliated heroes at the conclusion of each new movie is dumb. Especially because the audience isn't actively aware of who exactly is in the Avengers at any given point in time.

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>>82336020
Exactly.

>>82335812
>>82335838
>>82335840
I don't understand how Tony's dad end up being so much of a dick. He looks completely different in this Movie. In Captain America 1 he looks like a really nice guy. Wonder why he become such a terrible dad

>>82336097
>Implying he won't make Sharon wear a Bucky mask during sex.

>>82336013

I liked it too. It's a very powerful line.

>>82336115
He wasn't a terrible dad, just way to strict. He sent Tony away to keep him safe.

>>82336115
First season of Agent Carter showed he was already prone to being kind of a careless fuckup who doesn't mean badly, but doesn't really take regard for other people's feelings sometimes.

>>82336013
>come back full circle.
Like a shield

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>>82335977
>Lying bloodied on the ground in his broken suit
>His girlfriend has left him
>Best friend is paralyzed
>The guy your dad appreciated more than you ditches you for the guy that murdered your dad
>Asks for the shield like a pathetic child wanting his toy back

It actually got to me.

>>82336128
While crying to himself because the real Bucky is busy getting BLACKED by Panther back in Wakanda.

Can we talk about how fucking great Hawkeye was in this?

>What are you doing here, Clint?
>Disappointing my kids.

>>82336115
Embittered by shady government dealings and the wars after WW2 maybe.

>>82336115
A nice guy and good friend, probably not the greatest dad. And it's heavily implied he spent a good deal of time doing stuff related to Cap while neglecting Tony, also an alcoholic.

>>82336246
I think he spent half his life trying to find him. Tony essentially grew up with Cap and his stories.

>>82336168
Just like his son.

>>82333737
Downey really knocked this one out of the park. By far his best performance in the MCU together with IM 1.

>>82336222
When was this.

>>82336115
Knowing that HYDRA was in SHIELD probably changed him.

>>82336182
>>Asks for the shield like a pathetic child wanting his toy back
>It actually got to me.
It was Steve's toy. Tony wanted the toy that his father gave away, that Tony wanted. Not the shield physically, but the love and attention that Tony never received.

>>82336222
He was great even if he was only a glorified cameo.

>>82333668
The reviews generally said that his inclusion was unnecessary, not a lot of them spoke about how he actually was.

>>82336294
>When was this.
When Vision came back into the safehouse and saw Clint walking of with Wanda.

>>82336298
He knew about it?

>>82336362
>The reviews generally said that his inclusion was unnecessary
They were wrong, it is true that Zemo isn't the real main plot, but clearly Zemo is being built up to be something greater.

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>>82336115
>I don't understand how Tony's dad end up being so much of a dick.

Once he started huffing nitrous he was never the same.

>>82336182
I'm so hype to watch Cap put Tony in his place. if there are any tears from me, it will be for the beauty of Steve and Bucky's brotherhood that Tony will never understand.

>>82336222
>Can we talk about how fucking great Hawkeye was in this?

-dat bow-staff
-more trick arrows used
-played 18-hole golf with a 18 hole-in-ones

I really want to give Bucky a huge after all the shit he's gone through. But I don't wanna catch frostbite.

>>82333903
I'm hoping this scene gets people interested in MCU Ant-Man as a whole. I want to see more of him and I want Ant-Man and The Wasp to do good.

>>82336373
Seemed to be implied by Ant-Man.

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She's lived a hard life ;-;

>>82336538
She needs Strange to help her out. Her powers are unpredictable.

Reading the old rumors. Pretty fun.

>Captain America surrenders and is locked up in the Raft.

>Captain America dies, shot by Crossbones.

>Three alternative endings where Bucky, Falcon and Sharon take the shield.

>Three alternative death scenes for Wanda, Falcon and War Machine.

>Black Panther has his own jet.

>Captain America upgrades to scale-mail armor for the final battle.

>Baron Zemo wants to trigger a war between the United Nations and Wakanda.

>Vision switches sides.

>Vision leaves Earth.

>Crossbones kills Hawkeye's wife.

>Spider-Man leaves Iron Man because he believes the Avengers are losing sight of what's important and he doesn't want to forget it's all about helping people, not fighting wars.