ENDTOWN

I wanted to do the same after seeing that strip posted here and checking it out. I didn't, but congratulations.

>>82314501

I did the same thing

Its not that crazy

>>82314501
I remember doing that.
>See thread "Damn furfag shit", repeat for weeks
>Eventually read a few comics "Dis is some good shit"
I then realized in a way I was lucky to not have read it before, there was no wait, years upon years was ready to be read.

>>82314501
>>three days
Only took me 2, plebe.

>>82315220
Some people like to read slowly an digest every tiny detail. Aaron did not work so hard so you can just jump forward without paying attention to his art.

>>82314501
Don't worry, what you experience is a harmless symptom of simple overexposion to motion blur.

>>82314501

Better than me, I caught a storytime of the first chapter and immediately forgot about it. I thought it was the ending!

Then I read it backwards, just hitting back page for every page because I couldn't bother to find a starting point.

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>>82314501

It looks like he loses his human features as he went on. I suppose mutation is slower preWW3 as mutation is more instantaneous then.

I still think the tail head is a metaphor for him talking out his ass or something.

>>82314923
I had the same thing. I've seen so much garbage with cute animal people that I didn't think it's be good. Because let's be honest, damn near every furfag that makes a webcomic ends up with a mediocre-at-best mess that's just a regular comic plus anthro's. And in isolated pages, the comic can look weird and low-quality. I remember the tiny pic size being a problem for me, too.

It wasn't until someone said that the mutations are a central theme throughout the comic that I started reading it. I figured I'd just give it a go. I used to read tons of crappy webcomics, so why not this one?

The first few pages are a little rough, but once Albert and Gustine get going on their trip it really kicks off.

What really strikes me about this comic is that it's a real pageturner. I'm used to webcomics meandering along with completely meaningless exchanges for weeks on end, even good ones. That's usually enough to stop me from reading them.

Endtown has very little dead space like that. It keeps moving. There's always a mystery to be solved, or important events unfolding. I also like how it takes charge of its subject matter. The characters in Endtown aren't genre-blind.

But man, what a ride. 4chan wasn't wrong when they said this comic brings the feels, as much as I loathe that way of describing things. When you see the cute animal people, you don't expect post-apocalyptic body horror. But this shit right here is like David Cronenberg got to do a saturday morning cartoon.

One thing I find to be interesting: Everyone is crazy. People tend to forget this about post-apocalyptic settings, but these people survived the end of the world, only to end up in a world where either everyone is a mutant, or a dehumanized asshole in a sandwich bag. They all have massive PTSD. It's pretty refreshing, compared to all the gung-ho zombie-killing bullshit.

Also, Jim going crazy was pretty intense.

So here's what I think'll happen... Holly's gonna go freakomatic, catch a bad dose of whatever ethereal thing entered Jim's head - worse than Jim had it because Holly's gone madder - and Wally's gonna be put on the spot to put the new demonic avatar down.

But he's not going to do it.

HollyGod is going to get away.

We still have almost eight months to go of Holly and Wally's arc. Most of those eight months are going to be Wally tracking her down as she wreaks havoc, and finally being presented with another opportunity to kill her - but he's going to save her instead, or at least her soul. And it's gonna turn out he wouldn't have been able to save her if he'd just killed her at the start because reasons.

But he is going to save her, though they might not both be alive afterwards - some of the concept stuff Aaron has produced for the later part of their story has a very unreal and "afterlife" kind of feeling to it for me...

Admittedly I'm probably barking up the wrong tree and most of my "they're prolly gonna diiiee" stuff comes from the feeling that since this is The Ballad of Wally and Holly, it's probably gonna end up how a lot of ballads about lovers do... either they die together or one dies and the other pines to death...

>>82314501

So we had the feeling that Holly was playing as Lyn in the flashback given that he was aware of Wally and company despite the anachronism. Is Holly still in there or did she switch over after becoming a fishmonger?

>>82317291
At this point, it's impossible to tell where Holly is. No doubt there's some point to Lyn being able to see Wally. He doesn't seem to have a reaction to Kirbee, though. He was staring straight at Wally both times.

Who names their kid Wally when their last name is Wallechinsky, though? Seriously.

>>82317357
I got the impression that the alliterative names are a Neitherlandian cultural thing.

Speaking of which, has "Neitherland" ever been explained? I've just been assuming that it's a country which covers the whole of North America - not the US, not Canada, it's neither land.

I am at the weird state were I keep up with updates but haven't read the first 90% of the comic.

>>82317399
Dooooo iiiiiit.

>>82314501

i feel that this is all somehow kirbee's fault

>>82317377
Yeah, in the post-apocalypse setting you could still believe it was our world that went to shit, but with these flashbacks it's very clearly a 1950's Fallout-esque retrofuture. Holly does refer to Neitherlands as "the greatest country on Earth", which is a ridiculously American thing to say. Their jingles and faux-suburbia are also incredibly American.

I've noticed tons of people have Slavic names, too.

As someone from the Netherlands, Neitherland is a weird name for a country. It almost sounds like the Netherlands in our native language. But we don't have any flying cars, and if the apocalypse ever hits, all this shit will be under water in no-time. Though, that also makes me wonder. If these mutations are global, there are going to be parts of the world that are a majority of mutants vs. monsters, because most people would have been asleep.

>>82317399
I'd read the rest. Some of the character development is pretty important, and I get the impression that there's some sort of greater mystery that forms a red thread throughout the different arcs.

>>82317497
Kirbee is I's pawn and its attempt to drive a wedge between Wally and Holly, because Wally is the only person who can love Holly and believe in her strongly enough to prevent Holly from becoming its permanent avatar.

Kirbee does not know this, and is still a perfectly nice person. That's why she was chosen as a temptation, because she's perfectly nice and one of Holly's faults is that she isn't.

>>82317576
Kirbee will find out about this, though, and kill herself to take herself out of the picture, because she knows instinctively when something like that has to be done - see: Clive.

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>Wally is the only person who can love Holly

oh anon, you know very well this is not true.

>>82317628
>be furfag
>be immune to virus
>have to mimic being tacitly accepting of the new status quo
>drop your stealth, and you're still seen as a freak in a world of animal people

Man, it must have been tense for Maude's husband. I wonder if that guy just blew his brains out because he couldn't deal with it anymore.

>>82317628
Sorry, I didn't write that clearly. Allow me to try again.

Wally is the only person who can love Holly *strongly enough* and believe in her strongly enough

>>82317660
Nah, that's just the cover story. He really smothered in his sleep under gigantic cowtits.

>>82314501
Welcome aboard.
Everyone tends to binge read the comic, once they start. Endtown really is a good comic and it cool to see the fanbase growing. Hell, these threads were so tiny like 2 years ago.

>>82316904
I love how the android also has the generic Apex happy face.
>Oh, good afternoon Mr. Hollister! Your new limbs and faces suit you nicely! Tea?

>>82317660
He was killed while scavenging on the surface. From the way Maude talked about him, they had a great relationship. The mutation doesn't seem to bother many people. I guess when you are in a post apocalyptic world, love of any kind can be the only thing to keep a person sane.
>Gustine losing her mind
>Al her boyfriend keeps her together
>Jim loses his mind when his girlfriend betrayed him
>Holly losing mind
>can Wally save her
Etc

Seems to be a recurring trend.

>>82317869
>Dottie X Walt in the next arc...?

>>82317869
Well, it's not wrong. My grandfather spent the war in a Jap POW camp and came home with massive PTSD to a society that was very keen on both forgetting that colonialism was ever a thing, and pretending the war at home was worse than anywhere else. In short, no money, no recognition, and no help. He used to have major flashbacks and shit. My grandmother stood by him, and kept him going. Without her, he'd have been just another crazy vet.

I used to have a girlfriend who had an Endtowney life, too. She wanted to run away at every sign of trouble, like Holly does. I like to think I grounded her a little.

Endtown is a comic that's very character-driven. Every arc is about how people interact with each other under shitty circumstances.

>>82317576
>and is still a perfectly nice person

i don't know about that, i got a feeling she will backstab some one soon, she is cold blooded after all.

>>82316904
>I still think the tail head is a metaphor for him talking out his ass or something.
Except he was the sensible one, who took a pretty reasonable stance on matters. Holly was the one coming out with nonsense to justify her recklessness.

>>82318333
Before she realises she's I's plaything, she'll be the one pushing Wally to kill Holly when she turns, because she's the flipside of the Unity lizards - she can be a nice person while still-doing cold-blooded things because she thinks she's doing what's right for her loved ones.

>>82316904
>>82318455
If his form represents his mental state, then his multiple heads represent being in multiple minds about everything that's happened to him and Holly, while his human tail-head represents the clarity of his hindsight and how he feels he should have seen this sneaking up on them.

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Fat Holly is best Holly

>>82318855
>Holly after she finds an alternate dimension made entirely of cheese.

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Little tail bump.

>>82318333
>she is cold blooded after all.
Racist, dude.

>>82318493
>hindsight
>HINDsight.
Goddammit.

This next one's going to be bad, I can feel it. Everyone ready for a weekend cliffhanger?

>>82320469

not sure if bad, i bet who's behind this illusion is going to manifest himself on the last panel

>>82320547
>It's fooken Marx

>>82320547
>"Miss Hollister" in the last panel
>Wait for Monday for reveal
>Marx

>>82320547
>Lyn's explosion fades.
>Out steps Marx.
>"Now that's what I call edutainment!"

>>82320547
Well, I think it's pretty clear it's ditto's again. They seem to do this a lot. What I'm wondering is where the real Holly is. She went in and disappeared, though the illusion might not be intended for her, but for Wally.

>>82320600
>>82320614
>>82320615

Well now we know we all share the same ancient fear...

the Lucranians

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>>82320645

>>82320691
We're all just counting the days until the inevitable...

>>82320624
It's been the real Holly the whole time, covered in dittos and acting out a waking nightmare made of her own worst memories.

>>82320853

if that's that case, i'm sure she will get better.

:^)

>>82320547
We all know it's going to be the creepy caretaker, trying to scare them away so he can steal the treasure hidden in the ship.

>>82320889
"And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling munchkins!"

Fuck, Aaron is late again, that just means things are still getting worse and in a big way.

So is it true that furries share a similar lifespan with their animal counterparts? Kinda scary to think most of them would only have a few good years left.

it was all a plot by Marx to get generations to pass faster, creating less opportunity for people to amass power like in the old world.

>>82321063
Seems to update at a random time each day. I remember once a few updates ago I was surprised by a really early one.

>>82321195
I think the conclusion arrived at in earlier threads was "Shortened lifespans for things like mice, but not horribly so."

Sounded like Aaron himself had commented on it, so if someone could post a cap of the relevant correspondence,,,

>>82321063
Worse for Aaron? Or the story?
God I hope Aaron gets better. He's one in a million talented cartoonists who are actually really good at their craft. And a generally great person.

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>>82314501
I did it in 2 days.

And I started Monday

>>82321250
I meant the story. The guy is a beast, he could lose all his limbs and he would probably still crank them out by holding a pen in his mouth.

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>>82318493
HIND sight?

>>82321250
Well, apparently there was a big storm that went through his area the other day.

Or he could be dreading the flood of emails he gets when he reveals who's been torturing Holly...

>>82321311
Wait, is he in Texas? If so then yeah these storms are getting annoying.

>>82321340
Yeah, I heard there were blackouts and everything.

For all we know this and the last comic have had to be finished on a laptop and uploaded at the local library or something.

>>82321440
It must be Aaron Marx fault

>>82321517

there was that theory that he's an evil spirit haunting aaron's drawing block thing

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>>82321543
>a malevolent spirit transends through Aaron's story and haunts Aaron himself, doing anything it can to stop Aaron from uploading his comic.

I want off Aaron's crazy ride...

I feel it's getting close...

Taking bets on reactions, gentlemen:

A: "GODDAMNIT, AARON!"
B: >Suspense intensifies.jpg
C: "Oh, that explains a lot."
D: All of the above.

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I've never read Endtown. But every time there's a thread about it, the pics always show some sort of travesty taking place. What is this comic about that every thread has a character nearly dead or dying?

>>82321831

its a comic about people nearly dead or dying

>>82321831
Cute animal people suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune in a post-apocalyptic hellscape.

>>82321831
You're probably gonna hear this a lot with questions like that, but honestly? Just read it. Start at the beginning, and read at least the first arc with Al and Gustine. If at the end you find yourself not wanting to continue on, (which I highly doubt you won't ) then I guess Endtown just isn't for you.
But yes, Endtown is a real fucking page turner, and there's some form of travesty within every chapter. It's a character driven story, with characters much more deeper than you would figure them to be.

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>>82321910
>Cute animal people suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune in a post-apocalyptic hellscape.

So it's like Crossed, but without the cuteness.

>>82321763
B. Aaron will keep us going until we find out how Holly and Doctor Chase got to Endtown. No closure this week.

>>82322061
And mostly well written. Fucking Marx.

>>82321940
>>82321910
>>82321854
>>82321831
We should start pasting a link to Endtown comics when starting a new thread for all the new readers. We've been getting a higher influx of new readers on a daily basis.

>>82322101
Can't have the shine of the diamond without the inevitable flaw.

>>82322105
I think what we need more is a Beginner's Guide to Endtown, with information on the comic, characters, Aaron, and the various storylines within the comic and brief spoiler-free summaries of said stories.

>>82322215
there's a wiki but is really outdated

Holly's physical resemblance to Hillary Rodham Clinton does her no favors.

>>82322233
>>82322215
Given a brief summary of chapters leading up to the current one would be nice. I'd do it, but I'm currently drawing some more Endtown stuff

>>82322267

this stale meme again...

>>82322061
Crossed is a lot more gratuitous I'd say.

>>82322296

that's cool! can't wait to see

>>82322215
Tempting...

>>82322296

don't draw kirbee, she has lots of art already, do holly!

>>82322380
>Holly
There's a lot of her too, we need more of Roxie

>>82322494
The hell is Roxie, anyway? I saw Aaron say she was supposed to be a meerkat originally, but he'd changed his mind. Did he ever decide on something?

>>82322527

Stoat

>>82322527

>roxie
>wants art of a literal murderer

>>82322527

stoat

>tfw your waifu did nothing wrong
Waifu for laiffu.

You know who I'm talking about.

>>82322353
Do it. This can be the thing to finally unfuck webcomic wikis, just look at Ava's Demon and Unsounded, tons of lore are reveled on Q&A and the official blog but no one actually bothers compiling it in one place.

>>82322562
>wants art of a literal murderer
People still draw Holly, don't they?

>>82322544
>>82322562
I assumed lion.

Better go correct those posts on e621 then.

if anyone deserves lewds in this shit is my waifu Dottie.

>Dottie will never sexually harass you in the workplace.

>>82322602
>People still draw Holly, don't they?

>implying holly murdered ethel and lyn

this meme is not going to die any time soon, is it?

>>82322616
She looked kind of weird to begin with but now I find the big capybara snout kinda charming...

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>>82322616
>>82322650

Is this an early version of Dottie?

Was she involved in the big orgy?

>>82322494
KC plz...

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>>82322650

Dottie is absolutely adorable, i cant wait for the next arc so she can get another lead role.

>>82322641
Don't forget the baby she tried drinking to death.

>>82322641
Well, Roxie didn't kill anyone she just wanted to make feel Linda ashamed and we know how that ended...

>>82322711

well, the hair is not the same, i doubt it was her...

>>82322742
She didn't wanted to kill her baby

>>82322739
>Aaron has hit upon the perfect formula for appealing waifus
>Every arc from now on will have some kind of rodent girl as a protagonist

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>>82322711

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>>82322789
Excellent...

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>>82322739

>>82322761
... trip to the hairstylist?

>>82322824

holly could use that address...

>>82322798
Well they didn't grow up THAT quick... those kids are 3-6 years old at most

>>82322860
>implying there's something wrong with Holly's hair
She is crazy but she has a cute haircut

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>>82322739
Agreed.

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>>82322979

>she will never playfully lift her skirt and give you a small peek

>>82323038
>Topsiders
FUCK

>>82323038

>enter topsiders

>>82323038
Well, I can't see this ending poorly...

>>82323038
OH SHIT!!!

>>82323038
TOPSIDERS

>>82323038

look! is cool cop!

>>82323038

Sheeeet!

>>82323038
Problems with GoComics again?

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>>82322711
>2nd panel

>>82323038
Oh fuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggg......

>>82323038
Welp. And here I thought it was going to be the last Buddibomb going after Holly. This' much worse.

>>82323038

>topsiders arrived ridiculously fast
>Robbie was spying for them all this time

>>82323038
>Holly is forced to become a lab mouse

>>82323038
At least it wasn't pest control.

>>82323038
Another slight time skip?

>suspense.jpg

>>82323038
These cops deserve a spinoff

>Both end up TMs

>Mad Max post-apoc buddy cop combo

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>>82323038

> Topsiders are Neitherland FEMA

I subconsciously knew it. Fuck. Also the mention in the last e-mail of Apex doing the whole brain in a can thing through subsidiaries.

Fuck it. Even the tech is similar.

Also that just proves more points: Gated communities are test tubes. And Robbie was a spy.

Fuck... Monday's gonna suck

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>>82323038

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>>82323163
Requesting Holly in a mouse cage, running on a wheel.

>>82323203

Old men

>>82323038
THEY WERE SPYING ON HOLLY AND LYN THIS WHOLE TIME

THEY HAVE BEEN PIPING THE VIRUS INTO THESE CLIMATE CONTROLLED COMMUNITIES AS AN EXPERIMENT


CALLING IT IN ALL CAPS

>>82323235
Running the world

S'cool

>>82323038
I think the Topsiders used to be Disease Control

Makes sense.

>>82323257
That theory was thrown in the air a few weeks back. I should know, it was me who said it.

>>82323257
I think it's more likely they were monitoring them after their exposure to the forest mutant. Pretty sure Aaron's said the Topsiders/Apex haven't got the faintest idea what the virus actually is, which kind of precludes them actually being able to pipe it.

>All the people in Holly's community have been exposed to mutants and were bribed with residences, savings accounts and jobs.
>Holly's going to meet the other housewives as anthros when Apex take her away.

Holly was never pregnant or lost.jpg during the milk scandal.

She was relieving this traumatic event.

Holly has PTSD.

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>>82323339
>>All the people in Holly's community have been exposed to mutants and were bribed with residences, savings accounts and jobs.
>>Holly's going to meet the other housewives as anthros when Apex take her away.

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>>82323339
What are they gonna turn into, guys?

>>82323296

I'm surprised their suits are exactly like Topsiders.

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>>82323038
OH FUCK

>>82323440

it's probably the only type of suit they had to deal with hazardous stuff...

>>82323257
>THEY WERE SPYING ON HOLLY AND LYN THIS WHOLE TIME
Wouldn't surprise me.

>THEY HAVE BEEN PIPING THE VIRUS INTO THESE CLIMATE CONTROLLED COMMUNITIES AS AN EXPERIMENT
That seems really unlikely however. They might monitor Holly & Lyn in case they were exposed, but it's a huge stretch to then presume they're deliberately infecting people.

>>82323440
Technological progress tends to slow down after apocolypses, though they do mention that the new suits are better protected against puncture.

>>82323356

That's true. I suppose it should have been obvious when they revealed fishy.

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>>82323163
>Apex are literally gonna torture Holly
>She's got scars under that white fur

>>82323421
Hummingbird and something slinky.

>>82323339
>All the people in Holly's community have been exposed to mutants and were bribed with residences, savings accounts and jobs.
Should they have then turned up when Ethel's house exploded then?

>>82323356
I think she was just referencing this event, not saying she lost a more recent child.

>>82323636
Who wouldn't? That's a prime gawking event.

>>82323339
>All the people in Holly's community have been exposed to mutants and were bribed with residences, savings accounts and jobs.
>Holly's going to meet the other housewives as anthros when Apex take her away.

That actually sounds really cute in a very depressing way...

>>82323418
>Holly's going to meet the other housewives as anthros when Apex take her away.
Her remaining buddibomb then kills them.

>>82323744
>Implying the remaining Buddy Bomb isnt still around, and will show up after the flash back and try to kill Wally.

>>82323799

it's probab ly going to kill those topsiders so she can escape.

>see? the bombs were useful after all.

>>82323731
I meant Apex or disease control. They didn't make an appearance when Ethel mutated or exploded, so it doesn't look like they had been monitoring her.

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>Holly's going to go willingly with the Topsiders because they say they're going to "cure" her
>They run tests, practically vivisect her and nearly torture her to death
>Years later...

>>82324026

> This fucking foreshadowing.

It's like playing Deadly Premonition all over again. The set pieces are all there. You just don't know the connections.

>>82324004
Ethel was dead. Robot reports that Holly is still alive...

>>82323853
But the bombs already proved their worth when they saved Holly from that snake. Why else would she keep the rest of the pack otherwise?

>>82323226
On it. Anyone have that Holly Reference pic? I'm currently on my phone.

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>>82324026

she couldn't keep her facade for much longer...

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>>82324068

>>82324066
>But the bombs already proved their worth when they saved Holly from that snake

this, it as obviously an elaborated trap set up by ethel to eat holly, she totally forgot about holly packing buddibombs.

Aaron says that we are going back to endtown for the end of the year rigth? If that is true things will go even WORSE that they already have

>>82324200
It's the oldest trick in the book. Snake tells you it isn't going to eat you, just so that it can get close enough to eat you.

>>82324576
thank god she had the bombs, her baby lived another week thanks to them.

>>82324078
Why kind of things they done to her?

>>82325229
I suspect we'll find out in the coming week(s).

>>82325229

they touched her papilla

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>>82325267

>>82325229
Biopsies.
Water-treading to determine stamina and heat tolerance.
Taking enough blood samples to put her near death.
Exploratory surgery without anaesthesia.
Probes in every orifice.

>>82324061
Why didn't Ethel's house have a robot?

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>>82323038
It's Friday

time for silly edits.

>>82325498

she was not as materialistic as holly was...

>>82325513

Holy fuck DK.... seriously.

That brightened up my day.

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>>82325513
Only one I have

>>82325513
Requesting inevitable crossover with Wally and Co. in GB uniforms.

>>82325434
Next week is going to be very educational
>>82325351
Doesn't Wally already knowed that? after all they fucked multiple times

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>even after all this "redemption"
holly a shit kirbee is still supreme

>>82325575
He probably gave her the reach-around.

>>82325555
...nothing wrong.

has the arc about the lizard town ended yet or has it just kept flowing?

>>82325581
truth

>>82323038
Fuck yeah, the cool cop is back

>>82325581
cool story kirbro, you can keep your mentally handicaped lizard if you'd like.

>>82325581
Only because we don't know how many people she's killed yet. It'll be even more than Holly, given what her colony was doing.

>>82325634
or is it coming to an end?

>>82325634
I'm assuming you're a new reader. It ended with possibly one of the biggest "HOLY SHIT" moments so far prior to this flashback arc.

>>82325661
The airheadedness is an adopted trait, she's been in "I see notinkl, NOTINK!" mode ever since she was directly involved in the massacre of the non-reptilians.

>>82325513
>Bill Murray survives the apocalypse unscathed

>because fuck you, he's Bill Murray

>>82325742
Or she really is just that gullible. Though if ignorance works in Holly's defense, it'll probably apply to Kirbee too.

>>82325513

Fast on the gun there DK!

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i got this reply from Aaron, i asked him what he would have changed if he had planned Kirbee before hand.


"she absolutely would have protected Chic as best she could have because that's her nature. If I'd introduced Kirbee with a solid intention of building her up over time, I would have made it clearer that she was primarily relegated to working in the prison and possibly shown her getting morose over the loss of a previous prisoner."

>>82325825

Or worse. He mutates into an orange haired cat that hates Mondays.

>>82325498

Apparently he must have been working ON THOSE GODDAMN LONG ISLANDS.

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>>82325897
>I Kirbee is so nice why didn't she help Chic when he was getting battered like KFC?
>Well, I didn't invent her yet!

That's creative writing for ya, I guess.

>>82326065
Hey man sometimes lightning strikes when you least expect it. An idea you had before may be replaced with a better idea you have later in the future.

>>82325513

Some side story completely unknown by the main characters are the Ghostbusters investigating the paranormal activity caused by what Egon could only surmise as " I ".

Marx constantly spins them in circles with his fanciful bullshittery.

>>82325513
Jim-God as Gozer picture when?

He looks upon Wally, Kirbee, Chic, and Holly and asks "Are you a god?" Holly looks to Wally who nods, and she replies "No." Jim spews flames out of his hands and says "Then... die!"

>>82323038
They aren't topsiders yet, they're just doing their job.

There is a deadly and infectious disease there, after all.

>>82326099

>An idea you had before may be replaced with a better idea

>kirbee
>a good idea

>>82326656
that depends on what they do to Holly

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>tfw no grease monkey mouse waifu

>>82327359

That's adorable! as always...

>>82327415
I'm sorry. I just find Holly adorable as always...

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>>82323440
I doesn't shock me.
Shouldn't they have the pre-war Apex Industries logo instead of the topsider one, though ?

>>82327359

Gadget x Holly greasy lesbian sex when?

>>82327613
Rescue rangers in endtown when?

>>82326845
They haven't had 6 years of being stuck in their suits to turn them into proper monsters yet, so they might not be at the "die mutant scum" stage and jump straight to vivisection.

Quarantine, interrogation before being shipped to Pep Cola Park would be my guess.

>>82327613
Golly...

>>82325719
like most of /co/ probably, i binged it all one day and got up to jimgod and i hate taking in something update by update

how long is the current arc shaping up to take? a character history arc sounds like it wouldn't take too long

>>82327733
We've been on this arc since last Christmas. Looks like we may be reaching at least the midpoint now, with tons more questions than answers.
>Lyn; is there a different Lyn?
>who's behind the dittos
>what is to happen to Holly now?
>will Wally and Kirbee ever enjoy the jacuzzi?

>>82325907
Or a bear who likes going around naked.

>>82327836
>>Lyn; is there a different Lyn?

no

>>82327836

>who's behind the dittos

Lucranians calling this shit.

>what is to happen to Holly now?

she will get back to wally and heal slowly once this is over.

>will Wally and Kirbee ever enjoy the jacuzzi?

this was never a possibility

>>82327494
Department of Disease Control (assuming they're the DDC Lyn mentioned) sounds like a separate governmental agency; supplied with Apex equipment of course.

So they aren't using the topsider logo, the topsiders are using the DDC's, and most likely grew from their remnants. Which makes sense since they're the ones best prepared to actually survive the war and virus.

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>>82327920
>will Wally and Kirbee ever enjoy the jacuzzi?

>this was never a possibility

Party Pooper...

>>82321195
I've seen this before, and it seems to be an unreasonable assumption. If it were true, Holly should be visibly much older than she appears, because mice have very short lifespans.

Either way, the comic does not seem to follow real animal logic. Holly is also larger than the rats, and said rats don't even appear to be rodents.

>>82327359
>>82325513
Did not expect either of those things to eventually exist.

>>82324078
Flask did nothing wrong.

No, seriously, Flask was just trying to take out the genocidal enemy of her people. She was crazy, but literally everyone in Endtown is crazy, so I can't really hold it against her. I'm more upset by her flagrant abuse of power in executing two scientists than I am at her desire to disable the enemy.

>>82328419

>I'm more upset by her flagrant abuse of power in executing two scientists than I am at her desire to disable the enemy.

that's literally the only thing she did wrong.

>>82328419
>did nothing wrong
I wonder if that meme will ever die.

>>82328459

it will, right after the Holly didn't kill anyone meme.

>>82328037
Exactly. Their entire pool of manpower must be isolated personnel and their families. We've already heard numerous times that topsiders held jobs as receptionists and telemarketers and whatever. These must be people who haven't been in contact with the virus (if it is a virus, but whatevs). So we're talking a "clean" building, built for that purpose, with a big supply of suits and other gear that they started stuffing their survivors in the moment it became clear the building itself would become a target.

This is supported by them using oodles of Apex technology, and seemingly having some very impressive production facilities. They have a logistical backbone that everyone we've seen thusfar lacks.

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>>82328459
Not a meme. I had never read the comic until two weeks ago. Her assessment of the situation was correct. Her proposed reaction was correct. Her execution was extremely iffy, but then again we're talking about a bunch of PTSD-riddled animal people who all went through WWIII, which is the most mundane thing about them. These are less like organised forces going at each other, and more like that ISIS video where one of the clowns fires an RPG in an enclosed space.

The discussion about her actions is purely a moral one. Is it wrong to kill that many topsiders in one go? Yes, according to normal rules. Under rules of war, it's quite normal. Wally was operating under normal rules, Flask was operating under war rules. She did nothing wrong. There was simply a disagreement.

Then again, I have a thing for charismatic, mass murdering dictators with loads of sex appeal. Flask is basically Endtown's Gul Dukat.

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What game is she playing gents?

>>82328807
That one o' den new X B0X 420's?

>>82328807
Yoshi's Island.

>>82328807

Metroid II to save the baby.

>>82328622
Since Apex had soldiers in Wally's flashback, they probably provided personnel as well as the equipment.

So when stuff started going really wrong, I can imagine Apex stuffing their less critical employees into suits to provide manpower for the DDC. Which inadvertently saved their lives, since Apex itself didn't survive the war.

>>82328807
Buddibomberman.

Holly didn't want to join in for some reason.

>>82328459
Topsiders, despite being in the extreme minority, are bent on the annihilation of mutants who have at this point pretty much replaced humanity, based on the HOPE (however extremely unlikely) that they might then be able to take off their suits and live normally, which obviously is unlikely because the environment itself is inhospitable to them or else they'd only have to wear their suits on excursions. Without being able to reproduce, they're pretty much already extinct, and at this point just going to take as much mutants down with them as possible with no actual gain. And, as Aaron has told us via email, the mutants have no actual sympathizers in the Topsider ranks. Any who abandon the Topsiders do so over different matters. Otherwise, they are pretty much unanimous in their drive to exterminate the mutants

The topsiders are a disease, they're already dead, and all Flask would have done is prevent further meaningless death had she succeeded. She did absolutely nothing wrong.

>>82328807
Nothing. That's a tape recorder.

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>>82328866

Requesting child maude, luellen and kirbee playing jump rope

>>82329073
>She did absolutely nothing wrong.
>murdered two scientists

>>82329271
kirbee and luellen swinging the rope for maude.

>>82328984
I think we can assume that Apex is a corporation in the mould of the various East India Companies. Very powerful, quasi-governmental, and providing its own services in terms of gear and manpower. Of that massive bulk, a small part survived in terms of the topsiders. But they hold all the cards in the post-apocalyptic game, except one: The very air is hostile to them.

If the topsiders were OK with mutating, they'd have set up a functional post-apoc government already and people would be drinking Pep Cola in mouse-sized portions.

>>82329494

i wonder if indian mutants poo in the loo...

>>82329297
this is supposed to be the part where you list something she did wrong

>>82328771
She killed 2 innocent people. She tortured 3 innocent women for a month.

Stop waifufagging and go to Hell for supporting a murderer.

>>82329297
Nobody's contesting that, Anon. Stop propping up this strawman. We know Flask was an unscrupulous villain. But that's exactly what Endtown needed to deal with the topsiders.

Which is why Mallard made her chief of security in the first place.

Also, she had a caboose that just wouldn't end, which is also a plus in her favour

>>82329297

the mole had it coming though...

>>82328807
Metroid 2.

>>82329561

>She tortured 3 innocent women for a month.

who?

>>82329561
but no one said anything about Holly

>>82329606

HOLLY DIDN'T KILL ANYONE... will you stop with this bullshit?

>>82329633
Because they all exploded for completely non-Holly related reasons, right?

>>82329633
no, people just have a weird habit of dying as a result of her actions is all

not even counting the people she tried to but was prevented from killing/having killed

flask was a saint compared to holly

>>82329662

it was not her fault, she obviously didn't have control over the bombs...

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Wally said it himself, she was not responsible for the explosion.

>>82329706
Buddibombs don't kill people. People with buddibombs kill people.

>>82329698
Flask has a sadistic edge I really don't see in Holly. Both women are utterly busted, violent, and too devoted to their ideals by a half. I'm not even standing in the 'Holly's a Good Person' camp anymore.

But Holly never put a gun to a man's head and pulled the trigger without a second thought. That's not even getting into how the colony was highlighted to have innocent children, civilians! There could be dissenters, contentious objectors, it was thousands of people. Sentencing them all to death just because they're Topsiders is some goddamn cold shit.

>>82329775
...no he didn't? He tried to justify her actions, before realizing his justification was equally terrible.

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>>82329794

nice fallacy

>>82329775
ever been so desperate to defend your waifu that you pretended an entire panel of a 4-panel comic didn't exist?

wally was just trying to rationalize holly not being at fault, though not as hard as you are right now.

>>82328807
The hearts of men.

>>82329662
>>82329794
>there are Endtown readers this dumb

>>82329561
Similar charges can be levelled at boatloads of the character roster.

>>82328807

Given how dumb she is, probably candy crush

>>82329863
The circumstances that made Holly right to come armed to a friend calling for help was terrible, not Holly herself. Or possibly Wally realizing that his first thought was 'She was right to come armed' was terrible. It;s hard to say if he's actually pinning anything on her right then.

>>82329910
... yes. Because Endtown tells to stories of all kinds of good people, shitheels, and everything inbetween.

>>82329706
It's impossible for someone armed with buddibombs to harm anyone then?

>>82329910
Is that some kind of lame excuse?
>other characters did something wrong too
>which means my waifu is now clean of sins

>>82329879

>>82329907

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>>82329851
>>But Holly never put a gun to a man's head and pulled the trigger without a second thought.
no thats because she had other people do it for her

and, once again, Aaron killed any chance of topsider apologetics by confirming that there is NO dissent in topsider civilizations, at least not over the killing of mutants. they are 100 devoted to killing mutants for being mutants. none of them have the capacity to be benign or innocent, as all of them would willingly have every mutant in existence executed at the first possible opportunity

>>82329851
>Flask has a sadistic edge

She's a cat, though.

>>82329907
>>82329972
>w-w-well you're JUST DUMB!!!

10/10 great one

>>82328039
oh shit, now that I think of it, I could totally draw some parallels between endtown and dark tower
Anthros - the can-toi
Wolves of Calla+other tech abominations - all the old-world apex bots
Slow mutants, lobstrosities, various todash monsters - everyone who mutated when they were awake
Blaine - sentient vehicles
both have overall desolate wasteland settings with long traveling segments, both have jumping in time - even if it is through ditto magic.
Both have this "ultimate goal" the protagonists are headed towards but really don't know if it even exists.
"The Eye" and Crimson King, whose sigil is a red eye.
The crossroads being a hub of souls and the whole concept of Dark Tower being the hub of worlds with the beams being the spokes of a wheel.

Damn, now I want some endtown x dark tower art.

>>82329971
>waifu

Whatevs, nigger. You obviously have an axe to grind. Good luck with that.

>>82330005
As a cat owner, I am offended :(

>>82329994
Show me Holly ordering a death and watching it be carried out with no remorse. Show me those panels I seem to have forgotten. I am not saying that Holly is a good person. I'm not saying Holly hasn't made shitty choices. I'm not even saying she's incapable of killing on purpose.

I'm saying we haven't seen her do it yet. Flask did it as part of her introductory arc.

Also, babies. Babies are always benign.

>>82329876
Care to explain the problem?

A buddibomb without an owner can't do anything. It's completely harmless.

>>82330079
Cats are sadistic creatures. That doesn't make me dislike them, but they are.

>>82329606
>>82329662
>>82329698
>>82329794
>>82329863
>>82329879
>>82329964
>>82330028
>>82330141

Kirbros trying to start shit again... we had a good run

>>82330172
As a human, I can attest we are the most sadistic.

>>82330117
>Show me Holly ordering a death and watching it be carried out with no remorse.
It's possible to kill someone without it being murder, you know. That's why things like manslaughter exist.

She's definitely killed people. Inadvertently, but she's still the one responsible for it.

>>82330420
... yes. I wasn't arguing that. I was arguing that I find Flask to be a more sadistic and violent person than Holly.

Kirbee is probably the real mass murderer in here, i'm sure she has killed many more than flask ever did.

>>82330475
Oh sorry then. Lost track of who you were replying to.

>>82330415
In that case, I feel sorry for your cats.

>>82329563
>But that's exactly what Endtown needed to deal with the topsiders.
>she got played like a fiddle
yup, savior flask, queen of trashcan guns.

>>82330662
>queen of trashcan guns.

well in her defense, Marx rigged the whole thing. There's literally nothing she could have done.

>>82330772
I wonder how different things had turned out without him, would Jacks plan come to fruition?

>>82328807
That looks like an original Game Boy, so I'd say Tetris 2.

>>82330834

What Jack plan before this? Rewiring all police calls to security? Getting his paws on classified files? Orchestrating a shitton of stuff that was happening in Endtown at this time. If you remember the initial Al & Gustine chapter Jackrabbit was nothing but a pusher without having ANY means of carrying out any political agenda other of course than shouting shit via newspapers. After Flask died it seems that Marx put plans in place to make him disturb political shit. Seems that Endtown needs a new Flask. And Jackrabbit will soon learn that.

>>82329851
>There could be dissenters, contentious objectors, it was thousands of people. Sentencing them all to death just because they're Topsiders is some goddamn cold shit.
Isn't that what Wally kinda did by leaving all the lizards to die when he took all the dittos? He was being pretty indiscriminate there.

>>82314501
I tried, but the adventures of skinny nerd and rhino girlfriend got too boring.

>>82331045
Don't worry, the comic's pretty overrated these days.

>>82331009
It is comparable, nice catch, but for me it gets by on being self defense. Been a while though, but if memory serves they were about to get lynched.

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>>82331070
:P

>>82331045
Get to the guy with the big nose, from that point you won't wanna stop

>>82330615
Okay, that was a good one.

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>>82331045

Keep reading. Generally everybody agrees that it's boring until it hits the "quest arc". When compared to everything else that happens later, the beginning is downright awful, but only comparatively. Just keep going.

>>82331075
>they were about to get lynched
Yeah, by the people at the front of the group. As for the rest? We know the colony had children, and Kirbee proves they weren't entirely without dissent. And the people who didn't enjoy the bloodsport are the ones most likely to have gotten out.

Wally only needed enough dittos to cover his group's escape, not all of them. The lizards weren't going to bother pursuing them anyway.

I mean, it's understandable what he did considering what he just went through (and they were pushed for time), but for someone so adverse to killing and who usually tries to find a better way, in this case he simply didn't. The thought of leaving them to die hasn't weighed on him at all. Even Kirbee seems content with his actions, despite losing people she knew.

>>82331586
>We know the colony had children
That make me think: what happen to Chic's brothers?

reminder that Kirbee would have gotten over all this in a minute. She lived off of babies for years, she is tough as nails. Holly spent YEARS working up the courage to go on after this, and she still hasn't fully recovered.

>>82331674
Most likely all dead.

Don't think he holds that much love for them, only his mother most likely, but even then not by a whole lot.

>>82331745
You are right anon, is not easy get over traumas

>>82331674
Or his parents. We never did see what became of them after their fight and if his mother was the one who went crazy and made the jumbo omelette before starting the fire.

I kinda expect to come up again down the line, since Chic hasn't brought the events up either. Actually it seems all of them are deliberately not talking about the admittedly traumatic events.

>>82331310
It's kind of weird. It overtly goes for a lighthearted gag comic thing, and then it becomes dark as fuck. It's happened before in comics, but it's a strange turn of events nonetheless.

>>82331907
I'm pretty sure the crazy, inexplicably superpowered raccoon set the fire.

>>82331907
I guessed that his dad actually kill his mother since he appears in a later strip but I don't remember the dialogue

>>82331907
>I kinda expect to come up again down the line

they are dead, Aaron confirmed it.

>>82331745
That's because Kirbee is a lizard, unburdened by the morality of mammals.

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>>82331999
Probably not killed. This must have been a regular enough occurrence for them to not wonder why their leader had just had the crap kicked out of him.

>>82331745

you have to post this in every thread?

So yesterday I read the last arc from the Aaron's previous comic "Albert", and in his acceptance speech Marx talks about a eyeball pet named "Ted"...

>>82332079
Any idea where? Can't find it in the stuff I've got saved, but I know I'm missing stuff.

>>82332097
Chic's mother was a tough motherfuckar

>>82332216

well it was a personal email, ill quote him, give me a minute

>>82332216

Here

"Chic hasn't had time to grieve. His world has completely changed, and he's still not quite fully aware that his parents are dead (if they are, in fact, dead). Things will bubble to the surface over time, but keep in mind that, within the timeline of the strip, it hasn't been a full week since Unity burned.

Chic was kept fully apart from his siblings. He effectively had no childhood at all apart from what his mother gave him (when possible). He will have to come to terms with these things, but for now, it's moments like today's strip that will provide windows into his thinking."

>>82332097
Still a bit disappointed that Chic's family was never brought up again and all just went down in the flames

>>82331913
It is weird, and I'm not sure what he was originally planning, or when exactly he decided to set the depression express up and plan everything out in advance by at least a decade. But the change in tone doesn't seem deliberate though, it didn't seem like he planned to set it in a Sunday morning comic style and then pull the rug from under our feet and drop us into what we got now.

I'm not saying I don't like what we do have though. It's fucking magnificent.

>>82332317
>if they are, in fact, dead
>if

>>82332317
Actually, that makes it sounds like they could still be alive. It depends on whether the "(if they are, in fact, dead)" bit refers to Chic not knowing, or us not knowing, since we don't either.

>>82332456

gotta admit after giving it a second read, i am kinda doubting it myself. well see...

New reader, just spent the day catching up, it really took a while to get into but I'm glad I stuck with it.

Kirbee is best goil

>>82332643
If you did read the whole comic, you would know better than to get attached to any character. Especially a happy one like Kirbee.

Look what happened to Holly, Linda, Maude...

Aaron plays games with his own characters, but through our hearts.

>>82332368
What is more weird is that is not the first webcomic to do that but unlike others this actually feels natural and have sense. I think is due to Aaron's writting skills without it, this comic would have become loss 2.0

>>82332643
Tell us anon what you do think of it? things that you liked, things that not

>>82332368
Yeah, Endtown is much better as it is. As a gag comic, it wasn't a lot of fun. The jokes weren't funny, the characters weren't compelling, and the post-apocalypse-with-animal-people wasn't a good gimmick. There are plenty of bad gag comics already. Maybe Endtown isn't everyone's cup of tea. I mean, my friends would probably have a hard time understanding the appeal of emotionally damaged animal people responding to their problems by crying, screaming, or running away. But I think it's one of the more interesting post-apocalyptic settings I've ever read.

Maybe the penny just dropped that he had some pretty dark themes going on already. End of the world + body horror transformation. For me, the part where the comic definitely goes down the dark road, is where we see the first live mutation. That was some freaky stuff.

What puzzles me is that he just didn't start an entirely new comic. Maybe he figured the Sunday Morning Comic style meshed well with the darker elements?

>>82332811
Well he actually make testing with the Aaron Marx comic until he finally found the perfect balance between horror and comedy

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>>82332643

dont listen to >>82332753 anon... kirbee might not end up with wally, but she will not die just because. Let the love flow.

>>82332782
It's also kind of weird how his depression express skills are off the hook compared to his gag style skills. I mean, unless I'm just somehow mistaken here, and I'm liking something that's objectively crap.

And I'm sure some people would tell me exactly that. It's kind of a fear I have, though. What if I just have shit taste? What if all my arguments for liking something are just complete bogus in support of something that only appeals to me on an emotional level because of some sort of inner weakness?

>>82332916
Anon... she's not real, none of the womans of this comic are real. Let it go

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>>82333012

S.. s... SHUT UP!!!

>>82332898
I Googled Aaron, and he has an imdb page: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0623832/

Not bad.

But looking at his site, it seems he's actually been developing these characters for years. There's even a Jackrabbit comic. And his site seemingly hasn't gotten a workover since the 90's. I mean, from the gocomix account, I kind of assumed he just did this on the side...

>>82333040
I always find his reaction odd, i mean it makes sense that he could turn crazy over the fact of losing Holly but to the point of drool it really seems that he simply lost his mind in that moment

>>82333040
Now that I think of it, Wally kind of looks like Blacksad and Weakly mashed together.

>>82333174
He was already plenty pissed off at that point, though. And a creepy crazy guy on the other side of the wall was talking about shit he shouldn't have a chance of knowing about, while claiming to be god. A creepy, crazy guy who was going to murder his girlfriend.

I don't know. These critters go through a lot. I can imagine maybe losing some bodily fluids in the process of being beaten up by the world to such a degree.

>>82332753
Dude, this isn't my first heartache rodeo with picking favourites with characters, I've been burnt before. I can see this going south within 30 pages if not less.

>>82332782

Well I loved the setting being built up slowly, it felt kind of slow at the start with not much happening but once the road trip started it found its pacing.

I kept seeing threads for the comic now and again and just put it off as 'oh another furry comic, nah man' but now after reading, the story's great, the art defiantly got better over time and the characters really feel fleshed out, blasted through it today so I'm excited to see where it goes.

Also the cute cover hiding eldrich monstrosities? You fucking got me.

I like how it takes normal people and shoves them into furry bodies against their will and without choice.

>>82333173
>There's even a Jackrabbit comic
There's a theory that says that the Jacob of "The daily grind" is in fact the same Jacob that we see in Endtown
And yes Aaron has been developing this characters for years even using characters for other failed ideas like Mallard who was originally the protag of a cartoon he was planning. It's really amanzing how Endtown seems to be constructed by old ideas glued together

>>82333212
>Wally hanging out with Blacksad
I just gonna leave this idea for the drawfags

>>82332916
This scalie is too pure for this world anon, there is no hope for us.

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>>82333508
Aarons's old college comic starring Al and (human) Gustine?

The Same Old Grind

Where can I actually read these old comics of his then?

>>82333459
It never really looked like a furry comic, to me. It just doesn't have a fetishy feel. But the newspaper cartoon style threw me off. I expected something like... well, the first few pages.

The strength is in the writing, I suppose. Though the art does do a good job of illustrating the desolate wasteland.

>>82333663
http://www.aaronneathery.org/index.htm

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>>82333546

i know anon, i know...

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>>82333686

goddamit

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>adorable tiny town, populated by adorable tiny animal people

>everyone used to be regular human beings, and are dealing with the trauma of having their former lives completely destroyed right down to their own self images. They are persecuted by humans who have resisted the change by sealing themselves in suits and eradicating everything else.

Why is this so...appealing??