I've just watched Captain America: Civil War AMA

>>82307674
>Three Rotten reviews.
No need, I already know it's fucking shit.
http://dailyreview.com.au/captain-america-civil-war-movie-review/41191
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/i-swear-this-is-the-last-marvel-film-i-see-captain-america-reviewed/
http://theyoungfolks.com/review/movie-review-captain-america-civil-war/76890

>>82307674
>AMA
>against medical advice
Confirmed for Make A Wish Foundation. How's the cancer OP?

>>82307722
Actually it's the best Marvel yet.

Honestly much better than Winter Soldier

>>82307767
>Honestly much better than Winter Soldier
Let's not get ahead of ourselves

>>82307722
>even the bad reviews compliment Zemo
I am so glad they did him well. Complex, confident, manipulative - he was perfect. Even the fact he doesn't look so threatening works for him: you see the aftermath rather than the moment. He has a line that goes something like: "I have experience and... patience. And with those, a man can do anything." Which is practically Zemo in a nutshell.

Does Iron man have a single redeeming quality

>>82307791
Not that anon, but it's honestly much better than Winter Soldier.

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>>82307674

>>82307791
Much better fights

Great use of all the cast

Antman and Spiderman were actually stand out characters

Just pure fun

>>82307849
He doesn't act as bad as he does in the comics. His arguments actually make a score more sense.

>>82307849
Yeah his motivations are actually justified and the conflict doesn't feel forced

>>82307674
Is Cap killed or just captured?

>>82307674
>http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/i-swear-this-is-the-last-marvel-film-i-see-captain-america-reviewed

The only spolier I want to know is if Zemo ever looks like Zemo, if he gets injured in a way he will wear the mask later or something.

>>82307849
Yeah, he's both reasonable and the thing is much more personal for him than in the comics.

>>82307924
Neither.

>>82307854
I find Winter Soldier to be more focused and cohesive
This one has more cool and memorable character moments but WS is still best imo

>>82307924
Neither. He gets away

We don't need one of these threads every time one of you chucklefucks sees this movie. You aren't even the first.

>>82307953
Thank you!

>>82307930
Nope

>>82307674
Do they give a reason for Ant-Man to be on team Cap besides "Yeah I've been a fugitive before?" How does this play into him wanting to make a better world for his daughter?

>>82307864
>Just pure fun
So shit movie.

>>82307988
Does he at least use a sword?

>>82307999
It doesn't give a good reason apart from ant man loves cap

>>82308027
Great argument.

Saw it too. Damn fine movie.

>>82308044
No, but he really is a good villain. IMO as a Thunderbolts Zemo fan it's not the sword or the mask that makes Zemo, and this was a good Zemo.

>>82308056
That's usually the general consensus around here. Just helping perpetuate memes.

>>82308044
No but it feels like the beginning of his character, he could make another appearance

>>82307999
Him being okay with being a fugitive was more of an "this is why I'm fine doing this".
He was doing it as favour to Sam, making up with him and forming a bond with people he considers real heroes - see his reaction to Cap. He clearly sees an idol asking him for his help and he's going to agree with what Cap believes in because he knows Cap fights for good.

So what happened between Vision and Wanda?

>>82308027
I bet you liked BvS, you fag

>>82307849
muh mommy

Zemo is the best antagonist yet in the MCU. He actually has genuine depth, a character arc and is generally surprising and well written. They also successfully pulled off a villain in a good guys fighting each other story that didn't just hi-jack things and trivialise the in fighting.

>>82308118
A lot of flirting. Scarlet is pretty badass in this movie.

>>82308141
Yeah, I'd take Zemo's casual and understated manipulation over Loki's theatrical shit any day of the week. He was just quietly competent, knew his own limitations, and had the will to achieve his ends in spite of them. They even gave him that Cap admiration thing he has going on.

>>82307999
Haven't even seen the movie yet but Pym hates Stark.

>>82307722
Like I'm going to trust reviews from the British (or worse, fucking Australians) about Captain America.

>>82307674
Are they fairly civil, avoiding rudeness and coarse behaviour?
And is it full-out war, not a police action or an armed intervention?

>>82308118
They really built up a solid connection with heavy implications the Vision has feelings for her. It was top-notch.

>>82308135
>MARIA
>WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME

>>82308195
This isn't a motive but they do directly reference it.

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>>82307674
How bad will i feel for Tony and is the web head the only bright spot in his life now that he and cap broke up.

>>82308233
They are actually very decent to each other and nobody goes for a kill. Well until the end.

>>82308056
same could be said for "its fun" desu

>>82308284
Spoilers for how bad you should feel at the end?
Not really bad. They kind of make up. He does have a MARTHA ape out which is actually quite sad though

>>82308284
Honestly at the end of the movie you'll feel for Tony.

Him and Spiderman have great chemistry together.

>>82308084
I believe he can still be a good character, I just get pissed at lame costume choices. It's superhero movie, stop being so worried about "realism"

>>82308284
You will feel very bad for Tony.

Everyone except Rhodey and Peter talks shit to him (special mention to Clint "Agent of Loki" Barton and Scott "I hate Corporate and Pym told me to hate you" Lang) even though he's doing his best to be reasonable and make sure his teammates don't get hurt, and he is ultimately betrayed by Steve during the climax.

>>82308370
I think it's well set up for him to helm either the Masters of Evil or the Thunderbolts in a future movie. I could also see him being an antagonist or even an antihero in a Black Panther movie in the MCU.

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>>82308378
>mfw I thought Clint was about to do the Luke Cage moment from the comics

>>82308027
Nice high school contrarianism, ya short-changed chump.

>>82308370
>>82308403
How though?

He hates secret organizations like HYDRA and SHIELD.
He hates superheroes and supervillains.
He kind of wants to die because his entire family is gone.

Why would he ever don head-sock and sword?

>>82308432
Which one?

>>82308141

After hearing a lot of reviewers consider Zemo weak and tacked on, I'm glad to have read various /co/mrades praising his portrayal as faithful to the core of Zemo and decent.

Can't wait to see the movie (still have a week to wait).

>>82308027
>if it's enjoyable it's shit
What a sad way to live life. No wonder you've never had sex

>>82308491
He doesn't have a lot of screen time but he's pretty smart and his plan works so as far as marvel villains go he's pretty good

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>>82308482
fuck I forgot it was Danny and not Luke. Shit, I fucked up. I fucked up major they're literally two different races.

>>82308475
We're getting into comic book characterization here, which is variable and everyone has their preferences. But Helmut Zemo views everything as a means to an end, and although initially motivated by revenge he ends up wanting to save the world from itself. Vision's comments about the increase in the number of superheroes and catastrophic events after Iron Man appeared are enough of a basis towards Zemo seeking control of these agencies and enhanced people.

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>>82308378
>You will feel very bad for Tony.

>>82308491
I mean from a movie making perspective he is somewhat strange in that he is ultimately the antagonist but his involvement in the movie is more of a supporting role. He's central to the story, its message and the machinations that propel it but it's ultimately a story about the heroes and their divide, he's not a massive presence but he's entirely essential.

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>>82308284
>pic

>>82307722
I feel like one of the reviewers that isn't an obvious troll doesn't really like Superhero movies to begin with. He never gave a single one a "5/5" as far as search results go. The highest was a 4/5 to Guardians of the Galaxy, and he sounded like he enjoyed that just a little bit.

>>82308378
I don't think there is anything that can make me feel sympathy for RDJ Stark. Im so hype for the Steve and Bucky combo beat down scene.

Breakdown on Zemo: he was a colonel in the Sovakian special forces before the events of the film. His father, wife and son were all killed in the attack in Age of Ultron. He lives for revenge, and after realising he could not contest the Avengers physically he came up with a plot to turn them against each other and destroy them from within. Once his plan is complete, he intends to kill himself but is prevented from doing so by Black Panther who has a moment of revelation himself at seeing what the pursuit of revenge has done to Zemo Black Panther takes him into custody, telling him the living are not done with him yet, and at the end of the movie Zemo is in prison, unintimidated by Everett K. Ross, with the attitude that he has already won. Throughout the whole movie Zemo is charming and unassuming when he's unrevealed, but in the background we see the blood on his hands and the actions he has taken - he is entirely responsible for causing the conflict between the heroes. He has some good Zemo lines, there are hints towards a close relationship with his father, and he has at least a small obsession with Cap. He doesn't come across as cruel or grandstanding, but he will do anything to achieve his aims.

>>82308809
This 2bh. Only thing that would satisfy me more would be if Rodey turned against him in the end

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>>82308491
>>82308534
>>82308602
He's an attack on both sides of the divide:

Team Iron Man:
That oversight? That surveillance? That working with local law enforcement? All of that can be fooled with a few cheap facial prosthetics.

Team Cap
One man stopping at nothing (with no oversight) to bring wrongdoers to justice STOPS AT NOTHING and gets a lot of people killed to get back at a choice few when, if he had studied the situation a bit closer, Wanda was the only one he should've gone after.

T'Challa was the more heroic character caught in the middle:

Team Iron Man
I have considerable resources to track down the Winter Soldier, but all of them are pointing me to the man that did not in fact kill my father.

Team Cap
I am the Black Panther! Wakanda's greatest champion! Advanced technology, superior fighting skills, peerless intellect! I will surely use all of these qualities to almost kill the wrong man and let the true culprit escape justice.

>>82308809
>Im so hype for the Steve and Bucky combo beat down scene.
that scene was GOAT
not the best in the movie, but still so fucking satisfying

>>82308809
>>82308868

I thought the same thing until the end

>>82308933
I was more hyped when Stark UNIBEAM'd Bucky's arm off.

>>82307674
How fucking bad is Spider-Man handled? I don't want to be too disappointed.

>>82308027
Hi Mr.snyder how you doin buddy?

>>82308920
That's why it was good that BP was the one to bring Zemo in. Both of them had extreme resourcefulness and few moral hang-ups to pursuing what they thought was right.

I wouldn't mind if Zemo were to be more of a BP character in the MCU.

>>82308949
>his final scene literally ends with some sort of quip...again
nah

>>82308978

He's handled perfectly

>>82308978
He's handled pretty awesomely, tbqh. I haven't enjoyed Spider-Man this much since Spider-Man 2.

>>82308978
He's only in the movie for about 20 minutes

But then again, it's a CAPTAIN AMERICA movie, so it's not such a big deal.

>>82308978

He's the best spider ever. He's so funny and is the best version of spidey you could ask for

>>82309003
"The LIVING are not done with you."

Based Jungle Batman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpk1TE2_Gcc

>>82309068

Jungle Batman was great in this. I mean, all the characters were handled well, but he was done surprisingly well.

>>82309025
>>82309028
>>82309040
Really? The "You have a metal arm, dude" line has me really worried.
And Tom Holland is hideous. Is it more like 616 or Ultimate Spidey?
Is he sarcastic?

>>82309068
T'challa was brilliant. When Widow was talking to him and he was talking about Wakandan beliefs and she was kind of 'Oh yeah, I respect your culture' and not realising that he was literally going to put on a cat suit and fuck Bucky up, that was superb. Zemo got a great line off when he was torturing that HYDRA agent as well. I can't remember what it was exactly but it was very Zemo.txt. I could absolutely see an antihero Zemo coming from this movie.

>>82308978
It's like the Spectacular Spider-man cartoon in movie form.

>>82309130
He had the skills, he had the charm, but he was also flawed. All that combined and you had a pretty rounded and dynamic character.

Plus he had the best Jet. That thing was both cool and hysterical to look at.

>>82309144
>implying the metal arm line isn't pure Spider-Man
Yes he's sarcastic. He's a quipper, and a good one at that.

>>82309144
Tom does great as Parker and Spiderman lines were all great. I'm super hyped for homecoming

>>82309144
He has some great quips against Cap and Sam.

And if you find him annoying, don't worry, he gets beaten up a bunch too. He gets as good as he gives.

TONY STANK

>>82308978
he's Tony's fuckboy
besides that, he's pretty cool, even though he's role is pretty pointless and doesn't appear again after the first half of the movie

Why are Spider-fags so fucking obnoxious? He had 5 fucking movies already. This one is not about him.

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>>82309188
>The Panther-Jet was in the movie
this was literally the most surprising thing for me. I legit kek'd when i saw it.

>>82309144

It's a mix of Ult and 616 Spidey.

His Peter Parker and Spidey are pretty distinct.

With Parker he kind of stutters and stumbles over his words a lot like an awkward kid.

As Spidey he's still kind of awkward but he has the quips, the altruism, the skills, etc.

He's honestly the best we've gotten as far as live action Spideys go.

>>82309305
It had a paint job patterned after his necklace.

They went the extra mile with that one.

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>>82307674
Is Pepper really gone? If so how was the Tony May bantz if any.

>>82309335
I liked how they threw in one of the Dora Milaje too.

>>82309301
because none of those movies were good

>>82309187
>It's like the Spectacular Spider-man cartoon in movie form.
I liked Spectacular Spider-Man, but the quips were horrible.

>>82309228
>>implying the metal arm line isn't pure Spider-Man
Not any Spider-Man I know.

>>82309308
>He's honestly the best we've gotten as far as live action Spideys go.
Reeve Carney was great in the musical.

>>82309375
Yeah she's gone for good. Tony is straight up going to fuck that woman. Great bant

>>82309308
>He's honestly the best we've gotten as far as live action Spideys go
might be for the fact that he had so little screentime so there's not much to nitpick about him
is this a bad thing?

>>82308978
He was pretty well-done, actually. Does that surprise you?

>>82309404
Maybe it's because he's just a shit character

>>82309392
>elite bodyguards
>fail to protect your father
>don't fire them

Why tho?

>>82307722
>three rotten is fucking shit
What is BvS then? The fucking ganges river?

>>82309068
>>82309130
>>82309177
>>82309188
>>82309305
Bros. Talk to me. How the fuck did they manage to make T'Challa more likeable than his annoying as fuck comic counterpart? That was pretty impressive.

>>82308825
Suicidal Zemo sounds kinda lame, as well as taking away his Nazi heritage. Its better when his backstory is tied closer to Cap and also makes his weird admiration of him better.

>>82309517

By being good writers and directors. That's all it takes.

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>>82309422
>Not any Spider-Man I know
look man I don't know what else to say other than shit taste, if that line triggers you then don't watch it

>>82309521

>Your eyes have flecks of green in them.

I dunno, I think they did Zemo/Cap pretty well.

>>82309517
He wasn't an aggro-xenophobe.

He and his father had a pretty reasonable reaction to the Wakandan social workers being blown up, not blaming the Avengers, but also saying that they needed to have more oversight so something like that won't happen again.

T'Chaka and T'Challa also wanted Wakanda to reach out to the rest of the world instead of having it cloistered in pristine isolation.

I mean, have you seen them in recent comics? They're both assholes who barely like each other.

>>82309564
Sounds more like a Deadpool line than Spider-Man line.

>>82309422
>Not any Spider-Man I know.

Then you don't know shit.

>>82309521
I was worried about the suicide as well, but it's literally in the context of 'I have already won' so I felt okay with it. There is a hint towards some Nazi-ish beliefs from Zemo and his father is kept quite mysterious, so they could build on that. But really I think they absolutely nailed Zemo, he is a normal human who through cleverness and sheer force of will brings the most powerful people on earth to ruin.

>>82309616
>tech lover kid stops a life-or-death fight to fanboy over a metal arm

>>82309564
He's 16. Give him a break, Rhodey.

>>82309648
It was never life or death

>>82309648

Talking is a free action.

>>82309648
Since when does Pete love tech? Isn't he into biochemistry?

>>82309698
>Since when does Pete love tech?

since he was conceived as a character

>Isn't he into biochemistry?

why do you think these are mutually exclusive?

Is there any hint of the Black Widow - Winter Soldier romance? Does she switch sides at all?

>>82309747
No and yes.

>>82307674
who dies?

>>82309648
woops, I have no idea how 4chan received me replying to >>82309613 as a reply to >>82309616

>>82309677
>no-one dies = not life-or-death
dude those fuckedrs tore shit apart to fuck each other up. They may not have been trying to kill one another but that doesn't mean it wasn't a possibility. Scott threw a fuel truck, Wanda caused a car pile-up on Tony.
The danger was tenfold since he was an over-excited kid, which is why Iron Man sends him off.

>>82309698
I know, but they put him more in the tech side. He mentioned him doing tech stuff or building stuff at some point.

>>82309747
They don't do the full double agent like the comic book but she stops BP from preventing Steve and Bucky escaping the airport because she recognises he won't stop until he's seen it through.

>>82309778
How badly does Iron man job in this?

>>82309747

Well, when they're fighting she says "you could at least remember me" but that's really it.

And yeah, she switches sides.

>>82309742
good post anon.

>>82309747
No chance. She does switch sides

>>82309802

Rhodey's spine

>>82309805
He jobs, but the damage to his suit is always broadcasted. It's shown he's not at full power when he goes down.

>>82309802
Howard and Maria. Badly. Also T'Chaka, a Hydra agent, a UN psychologist, and dozens of other civilians.

>>82309802
Five winter soldiers, Peggy, tony's parent's, an integrator

>>82309802
Tony's hope and dreams.

>>82309802
Peggy and T'Chaka

>>82309802
Crossbones and T'chaka

>>82309805
He defeats Giant Man and Bucky.

>>82309805
He never gets a one on one with cap. He jobs but is unlucky

>>82309889
>first spoiler
holy fuck I completely forgot
I hate how okay I am with that because I was really excited to see that person but like, their death was fine and made sense.

>>82309885
Does he become Batman?

>>82309984
I wonder where he got the punching suit though.

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>>82307674
How was my nigga Ross was he BP's bro or no?

>>82310003
That's pretty much what he becomes after he watches the video of his parents being violently murdered by Bucky.

>>82310003
He becomes friendless

>>82307674
so has almost anyone else not from the USA...

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>>82310003
>government control
Yeah, MechaBatman

>>82310004
and we'll never know

>>82310007
He was a lovable dick with a distractingly American accent.

>>82309964
So the rumor I heard about cap beating the suit off of tony at the airport was false?

>>82310040
Besides Rhodey, he never really had any

>>82310091

Flase

>>82310092
He's got Happy. And now, unless he screws it up during Homecoming, he's got Peter.

>>82309984
Underrated character
He was amazing in the movie

>>82310091
Nope. That isn't their fight

>>82308541
This scene would be so much better without that second line.

>>82310203
I know, but they probably had to emphasise the reference for normies.

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>>82307674
Just how creepy is The Vision in this movie? Is he torn between Uncle Cap and Mama Stark.

>>82310165
give it to me straight doc, how bad did he job during their fight?

>>82310288
Bad. Really bad. Tony was going one on two but at the end he is totally rekt

>>82310284
No he isn't torn at all. But yeah creepy

>>82310284
He does some math about the matter and drives himself by his conclusions

>>82310284
He's completely Team Iron Man. He is pretty creepy with his logic and wording though
A PINCH OF PAPRIKA

>Daredevil
Considered by the Russos
>Captain Marvel
Had she appeared in AoU
>Hulk
Was on the original script
>Wasp
Was also on the original script
>Doctor Strange
Russos said he would be team Cap

We might've gotten Red Hulk if we were lucky

>>82310328
>he is totally rekt
was he still holding back at least?

>>82310469
No. During the last fight he wanted the kill

>>82310469
Literally unibeams Bucky's metal arm off

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>>82310229
They ruin everything.

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>>82310360
>mfw you're a companywar faggot

>>82307849
You actually feel bad for him because you can see how bad he wants to keep things under control and to have Cap on his side.

>>82310714

>companywar

nah, just someone who is able to critically compare two distinct things from an impartial point of view.

>>82310742
You didn't compare them though. You just said one is better than the other and only did so to incite shitposting.

>>82307849
He wants to bring Bucky in alive while everyone else wants him dead. He wants Wanda kept in the HQ because he doesn't want the government to throw her into a padded cell. He constantly tries to talk it out with Cap. He pointedly has his side of heavy hitters pull its punches during the airport fight. He gives MASSIVE GRANTS to an entire graduating class of MIT students to fund all their projects/research. He goes alone to help Cap and Bucky apprehend Zemo at the Winter Soldier Bunker once he finds out the truth behind the bombing. He doesn't try to kill Steve during his rampage and fixates solely on Bucky until Cap makes it impossible to ignore him.

>>82310714
It was inevitable since they were released close to each other

Which unfortunately makes the BvS worse since CW was simply better

If BvS is okay, CW will always be one notch higher despite its own plot holes and other flaws

>>82310873

I feel like they're only similar at surface level. I don't find them comparable in any sense as movies.

>>82310284
He's a bit creepy, but he's more a huge asshole.

>>82309819
Is that line (which was in the trailer) literally all there is to it?
Because it could just as easily be taken as a reference to the two times he shot her.

>>82310821
Which also bothers me: despite Cap being right this time, we was being a hothead in punching everyone trying to pin down Bucky while Tony was trying to make best in an awful situation though his ego does make him recruit a 15 year old

And after Tony tries to help behind Ross' back, he gets shown full video of Bucky killing his parents. You literally can see the moment his heart breaks in half

>>82310910
On the surface level of course it's the same super hero vs super hero

But the details like coherence and being able to display personalities is where you realize CW was better at it

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>>82311002
Batman has a personality in movies?

>>82311021
I found Batfleck good for someone who has to be seen as a paranoid asshole

But putting him alongside a mopey Clark was a bad decision

And obvious mental disorder Lex, when his most popular version is corporate "I can hide my megalomania", was simply awful

>>82310450
Source on this? I'm assuming some interview.

>>82310821
>He pointedly has his side of heavy hitters pull its punches
I guess that explains why war machine doesn't just mow them all down with his gatling gun

Somehow the music fits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5hnoBQzDQI

>>82308186
Loki is just a mischevous god, but fails to understand humans at core, thinking they can be controlled through power, and almost every other supervillain goes about the same, defeat through utter domination.

What I liked about Zemo is that he is human too, not even super, but this Zemo has had losses, he knows how to exploit the losses of others and fuel the cycle of revenge. It takes one human to know one human.

>>82311136
Yes, I can't see Tony wanting them all executed.

>>82311122
http://screenrant.com/captain-america-civil-war-wasp-cut/
Here's Wasp.
I've seen the Captain Marvel and Hulk ones before. Daredevil and Strange are new to me though.

>>82311168
Also, he recruits Spiderman, the one with the best non-lethal abilities.

>>82311168
That was the entire point

Tony was already depressed from breaking up with Pepper and seeing innocents die so impulsively accepted the logical answer even if it mean having to work with "Thunderbolt" Ross

Which he later regretted

Fucking Vision, its like awkardness: the character heh.

What really creeped me out was him sleeping in the living room. Just floating. And reacting to an intrusion, like if he was an alarm or a watch dog heh

No, you move
They did it, the absolute madmen

>>82311301
Fuck, this gave me shivers.

Vision and Wanda were noticieably absent from the final confrontation.

Like everyone else traded blows and shit, but those two only had like two moments in the big civil war fight.

>>82307722
Not only do the bad reviews say things I worry about (that the movie has not guts to try anything new), but even the good reviews basically admit that they're just cucked by the MCU:

>"These films no longer have to delight and surprise us; no, their job now is to manage the brand, not screw anything up too royally, and keep us hooked for the next installment. Civil War pulls all that off mostly well."

This is the fucking future you asked for. Repetitive mediocrity for all.

>>82311380
Both of them are powerful enough to obliterate everybody else, but they rather not.

They definitely don't want to cause the 'catastrophe' that their involvement causes.

>>82311419
They're basically another Pixar for Disney-they've figured out a formula and are exploiting it to the fullest extent. Civil War was an entertaining movie, but I found it no more memorable than AoU, which I thought was garbage. I'm glad that BvS was trying something different even though it failed to execute what it was attempting to do.

>>82310284
He's pretty much SnyderSupes in this film, I'm not even joking about that either.

>>82311553
What was BvS doing different exactly?

>>82307674
no spoilers, how is War Machine and Hawkeye?

>>82311553
What was the different BvS tried? At core I see its the same than CW, only that CW rides on Marvel established image and proven formula, whereas BvS development and execution was poor and rushed.

I agree that CW is formulaic, but I don't see BvS any different than this movie in essence.

>>82311686
I haven't seen the full film yet but I have seen the airport scene, so I guess I can describe them in that.

Hawkeye is pretty useful and gets his fair share of moments during the fight, which justify him being there. He's mainly there to support and assist the other heroes.

War Machine is fairly useful as well to a less extent, the problem with him is that they can't have him gunning down team cap so while he does help in the fight (too spoilery to describe in more detail what he does) he spends a lot of the time getting thrown around.

>>82310374
So he's the Reed of the movie.

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>>82310963
Just look at the symbolism of the scene.

Tony in the Iron Man suit, powered by the Arc Reactor, a streamlined and improved version of the original his father built, further enhanced by a special new element that Howard thought Tony would be intelligent and worthy enough to wield. Over the course of two movies, Tony's life is saved twice from death by his father's inventions and faith in him. It's like a piece of his dad is still alive, still with him after 25 long years.

And he has to watch him die, That intimacy? That presence? All an illusion. Howard Stark is gone. He perished 25 years ago; his brilliant mind turned to mush by the Winter Soldier's punches.

Standing opposed is the Super Soldier, whose creation Howard had a hand in and whose shield he had an even bigger role in constructing. Steve Rogers was his father's friend, the ideal hero, a shining example that Howard always told Tony to strive towards.

And he's protecting the man who horribly murdered both him and his wife while having the sheer audacity to call Tony a traitor.

Yes, Bucky was brainwashed, but Cap knew the truth and he kept it from Tony. For two whole years he kept it from him. He had ample opportunity to share it, but he didn't. Maybe a time when Tony wasn't heavily armed or withing UNIBEAMING distance of Bucky. Steve would've taken the secret to his grave if it hadn't been for the tape, that surveillance he so railed against during TWS.

>>82311638
>>82311698
I don't mean stories. The way it's structured and presented, it's not a very typical blockbuster movie. It relies very heavily on symbolism and dreams and characters waxing philosophic about their problems. I liked Civil War, but it still felt very samey to me.

>>82310662
I hope Cap or someone tears into Stark suitability for that. I honestly hate MCU RDJ Stark. I want his suit in broken shards, crying into his mistakes and asshole actions.

>>82312320
Oh don't worry, that happens in the movie.

>>82312320
Bucky crushed Howard's skull and strangled Maria to death.

9/10
you will not be dissapointed bros.
i just got home from seeing it.
ask me if you want but i seriously recommend it.

>>82312612
I do not think Bucky should be held accountable for things he was forced to do as the Winter Soldier. He'd be just as devastated and disgusted with these actions as anyone. Starks anger should be directed at the people that controlled Winter Solider.

>>82307674
Did Cap had sex?

>>82313210
Nope just a kiss
He's the real Sorcerer Supreme.

For real, the movie was a disappointment. Save for Black Panther and Spider-man, nothing really new on the sun. The acting gap is becoming huge every movie, RDJ is miles above anyone else there(not that this matters anyway). The script was all over the place, I mean, the movie didnt connect at all until like 2 hours in, and then, you have that feeling "that's it?". Too many fucking jokes(quips), like, the orange candy or some shit that Lang said. The inconsistencies in Vision and Wanda powers are incredible, in one scene, she can crash him 50th floors in the ground, and in the main fight scene, she does fucking nothing. Zemo was forgettable as fuck. Martin Freeman was there to do nothing. That scene with Steve and Sharon was SO FUCKING OUT OF PLACE, wtf... anyway, I could go on with my blog, but I made my point. I guess i'm just tired of the "Marvel Formula", and this movie not only screams it, but also looks inconsistent to the rest of the universe. (This comes from a guy who could watch Thor 2 and not want to go out of the theater, wich was not the case this time.)

>>82311301
What bit was this? Can't remember

>>82313405
The funeral.

>>82313396
>too many jokes
I saw it yesterday.
Outside the airport fight there's barely any jokes.

So Cap fucks off at the end of CW? Does he give up the mantle to Falcon beforehand, or is he like Nick Fury in that one summary of that one comic that introduced Black Fury into Earth-616 where it's like I BONED YOUR MOM and THEN I SPLIT?

Does Cap just bone your mom and then split?

>>82313225
With who widow?

>>82313436
Guess I'm becoming too aware of them.

>>82313464
He saves his team from the raft and they hide in Wakanda.

>>82307674
Who was your favorite name in the VFX Brick?

>>82313464
No man, nothing happens at all. The movie ends basically with everyone safe again, and all will be friends...

>>82313464
No. He gives up the shield because protecting Bucky, who killed the man that made it, removes any right he has to wield it. He's still an Avenger, but he's no longer Captain America.

>>82313396
Youre right.
take your blog back to tumblr fag.

>>82313396
>(This comes from a guy who could watch Thor 2 and not want to go out of the theater, wich was not the case this time.)

I need more reaction images on my phone

Does Aunt May know Peter is Spider-Man in this? From the leaked footage, Tony says that he'll "call Aunt May."

>>82313497
>protecting Bucky, who killed the man that made it, removes any right he has to wield it

Wow get the fuck out Stark

For real tho.

What the fuck is going on? Why is everyone liking this movie? Nobody here talks about its flaws.

>>82313567


see

>>82313396

Movie confirmed worse than Thor 2.

>>82309177
are you thinking about (paraphrasing here)
'Hydra deserves its place on the ash heap, so I have no compunction with your death, but if you do not tell me what I need to know I will have to resort to more, bloodier means, and this I do not look forward to" ?
I love that bit

>>82313602
Not worse. No.

But it's becoming stale, so stale that I could care less.

>>82313602
>only 1 post bashing the movie
>other 200 posts praise the movie.
You being this deluded makes me sad m8

>that young Stank CGI

Goddamn!

>>82313647

Come the fuck on man, it's 4chan we're talking about. 200 posts PRAISIN' a MARVEL movie, the same movie for the 12th time, it's a little strange, dont you think?

>>82313540
If he didn't agree, he wouldn't have left it behind.

>>82313532
Tony's go-to method for getting Peter to do anything is to blackmail him by threatening to tell Aunt May the truth.

>>82312828
Stark's momentary rage is directed at Bucky, but his disgust is directed at Steve for hiding it from him.

Steve's no angel in this, either. Stark's actions in that scene aren't those of a man in his right mind. He just saw his parents beaten to death, and Steve, for all Stark was told to look up to him and DID look up to him, didn't trust Stark with that information.

>>82313707
He needed both hands free to carry Bucky

Plus he'll probably get a laser shield from his bro Panther

>>82313602
From watching the movie, the only really horrible thing about it... is the CGI.

>>82313747
Because Steve knew that Tony wasn't mature enough to handle the information, and really this movie proves that true.

>>82313695
Not if the movie is good?
It really is.
i dont know what youre talking about man. Please elaborate

>>82313747
>and Steve, for all Stark was told to look up to him and DID look up to him, didn't trust Stark with that information.

It's funny because Steve didn't trust Stark with that information because he correctly guessed Stark would chomp out like the immature baby he is.

Stark didn't trust Steve with the information that he was working on Ultron because he correctly guessed that Steve would do the right thing and try to stop him.

Pottery

>>82313807
Yeah.
the amounts of pottery that the Steve/Tony relationship has is uncanny.
and it doesnt feel forced like BvS

>>82313807
I'm so glad RDJ forced his money demanding way into a larger role in this movie, so the Russo's could use it to beat the shit out of him.

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>>82311419
MAN Just leave those fuckers. They try anything new they just gonna bash it. They try to keep it the same they'll bash it.

Damned if they do damned if they dont.
Motherfuckers are just entitled twats who dont know what they want. Fuck em.

>>82313396
What acting from RDJ? RDJ doesn't play Tony, he plays himself. The actor for Howard on Agent Carter is pretty much playing how Tony should be.

>>82313786

The movie has a lot of flaws.

Starting by the CGI ( mini bucky jumping in the building).

The script : Hey, imma give money to IMT...Shiet, nigga died, PSTD. We need to be put in check. Shit happens, everything blows, almost WW3, then, nothing happens, the treat has been signed offscreen, even tho half the room died. Cap agree. Discover the truth. Disagree. Get the fuck out. Stark finds him. Everybody calls their buddies. Fight happens. Everybody guets fucked. Next scene? No one is fucked. Stark discovers the truth, goes to save the cap. DISCOVER THE TRUTH AGAIN. Wants to KILL the cap bro. fight happens, arm blown off, armors blown off, beaten the fuck off. Everybody goes to their homes. Everything is normal again. Happy letter, yay. (oh, and in the middle of this, there is Zemo, who "put" one against the other, all of this because they flew the fuck out way too son of sokovia)

The quips: most of them were out of place, so out of place that most of the people here and in the theater didnt realise it was quips 90% of the time.

The universe: it didn't set foward ANYTHING, like, this movie could never been made, and still, nothing would change.

I guess that is enough a explanation anon :3

>>82313927

I know right? That is exactly my point, he is shit, and still, outact everyone there (save for Tomei, who is my waifu)

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>>82313780
>>82313807

In the moment? With Bucky RIGHT THERE as he saw him rather brutalize his parents? No.

But the death of his parents is something Stark's been dealing with for awhile now. Cap should have confided in him about the truth of their demise, and the circumstances that led to it. Stark's not a fool; he can compartmentalize his anger if given context, and he's not without compassion.

But in the moment? He doesn't care. He doesn't even care to understand. All he knows is he just watched Bucky beat his father to death and throttle his mother.

I know you have a hate-on for RDJ Stark which just goes to prove how good of a Tony Stark RDJ really is. but don't undersell his situation.

>>82313942
you sound upset anon.
take a seat.

>>82313999

Of course I am. I wasted 3 hours of my day, and 20 bucks to see this shit. With the hopes that it would be AT LEAST a little good 6/10 movie.

And then, I come here, and find myself being one of the few with a negative opinion, and everybody is discussing the movie like it was a fucking classic.(there is nothing to discuss about the movie other than if you didn't watch it yet.)

>>82313757
Cap has a shield harness on his back.

>>82314043
Hey i felt the same way with BvS and of course people enjoyed the movie.
/co/ is filled with contrarias what do you expect.
let the anger go anon

>>82313957
Im not sure how RDJ playing Stark so unlikable means he is doing him justice, except in the context of a Civil War storyline, which is around the time Tony stopped being written as Tony and started to be RDJ. You try to justify his anger in that scene, but it doesnt not make him the villain and antagonist in it. Bucky did not choose or want to kill Stark's parents and no real revenge is served in trying to kill him.

You are absolutely right that I am biased against RDJ and am a very big fan of Cap and Bucky's friendship. But I dont hate Iron Man as a character and very much enjoy is silver and bronze age stories.

>>82314080
Thank you anon :3, I'll calm myself down

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>>82313957
>Telling Captain America fanboys to stop deep throating him and think about how he could have handled the situation better?

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>>82313957
>which just goes to prove how good of a Tony Stark RDJ really is.
I think this is something faggots tend to forget about Tony Stark. You're SUPPOSED to have mixed feelings on him, and hell, half the people in-universe hate him, in ALL universes, MCU included.

If RDJ Stark is pissing you off in any capacity, that just means Robert Downey Jr. is doing his job to the letter.

He's even in-character IRL too, what with making sure co-stars a raise, but still making oodles more than they do by far regardless.

>>82314096
>which is around the time Tony stopped being written as Tony and started to be RDJ.
It's the literal opposite, but okay.

Why isnt there a stickied thread?
The movie is out!

>>82314096
>which is around the time Tony stopped being written as Tony and started to be RDJ.
Civil War started before RDJ was widely known as Iron Man, you newfaggotron

>http://www.villagevoice.com/film/captain-america-civil-war-is-comic-book-cinema-without-the-wonder-8564845

>Marvel's schedule calls for a Captain America movie, this one about the collective guilt of the Avengers across all the earlier films. Maybe that's the problem here: For these characters, this sense of responsibility for the consequences of their actions feels both overdue and out of place. The filmmakers want to bring these costumed fictions into the real world...but it's all happening in a universe that's already too invested in the supernatural and the galactic. This is where style might have helped. While the ornate, overbearing aestheticism of Batman v Superman was maybe too much, superhero movies should have visual panache, some sense of otherworldly wonder.

>Winter Soldier, also directed by the Russo Brothers, managed that by giving us a political thriller that wasn't afraid to escalate into the realm of exotic childhood fantasy — vast, decades-old conspiracies and surreal images of ginormous heli-carriers doing battle in the skies over Washington, D.C. In trying to ground its characters in something resembling the ordinary, Civil War overcorrects. Gone are the wide-eyed sense of derring-do that characterized the first Captain America movie and the paranoid tension that defined Winter Soldier; there isn't even the slapstick of Ant-Man or the witty abandon of the better Iron Mans.

>>82314239
>But we watch anyway. Why? I'm not sure. Call it the confident caress of corporate continuity. It's odd to think that a generation of viewers may not remember a time when interlocking superhero epics didn't command such swaths of the mainstream moviegoing firmament. These films no longer have to delight and surprise us; no, their job now is to manage the brand, not screw anything up too royally, and keep us hooked for the next installment. Civil War pulls all that off mostly well. It skips all around the world (Siberia! Nigeria! Vienna! London! Leipzig! Queens!), anxiously maneuvering plot points into place, and audiences know to trust that it'll all add up to something, because these things usually do. But I never found myself genuinely wondering what was going to happen next; the moves are too familiar. Even the big fight, entertaining as it is, feels like it's there not because of dramatic inevitability, but because somebody behind a desk decided it had to be. It's just a bunch of stuff.

Some of the positive reviews make it sound shitty.

>>82314202
>>82314234
Okay fine, while true by date of release, it definitely was the shift of Tony into an unlikable person.

>>82314258
It's gotten to the point where you don't care for superhero movies but still would watch them, or you love-hate them but would rather not watch.

>>82314169
Maybe Marvel/Disney could afford to pay the others more if he wasn't demanding such an egregious amount.

Im so ready to see him go. I cant wait until he's too old for the role or something.

>>82314330
>afford
This is the guy who carried a solo movie that pulled in 1.2 billion.
They don't pay him extra for no reason.

>>82314330
They can afford to pay ALL EXPONENTIALLY more than him and still make a return on investment.

This is fucking Disney, you clown; the problem isn't RDJ, the problem is people like Perlmutter and other stingy hollywood jews.

>>82314406
It's a godamn CAPTAIN AMERICA movie. He should not be making four times what Chris is being payed, to play a much better character. There is a reason the fandom is predominantly TEAM CAP. But again, at least this time he was being payed to have the shit kicked out him.

>>82314445
You do know Terrence Howard made more money than RDJ in Iron Man 1 right?
This is how these things work.

Get in your mind that you don't live in a fair world.

>>82314462
That was only because RDJ was a coked-up has-been at the time, and was instantly corrected as soon as this stopped being the case.

>>82314330
I'm sure he's willing to get paid less if they forced him to take less.

You gotta remember he doesn't do particularly well outside of Marvel movies (The Judge, Due Date, etc.) so he's gonna want continued involvement.

>>82314462
I honestly did not know that about IM 1. In any case it honestly seems popular majority at this point that Iron Man isn't everyones favorite character so I dont know why Marvel thinks he is the only think people will pay money to see. He has absolutely no reason to be in the next Spider-Man movie.

>>82307722
>Three Rotten reviews
please have a mind of your own. just for pure kindnees for your human condition.

>>82314538
>Iron Man isn't everyones favorite character
Iron Man DOES sell tickets, though. he's not the paragon of morality, but he's a fascinating cog in the plot machine when present.

>>82308534
>and his plan works
Yeah, in fact
Everett Ross taunts him in prison, asking him how it feels to try so hard only for a plan to fail so miserably. But Zemo responds "Did it fail?" and Everett then becomes silent.

>>82313396
>This comes from a guy who could watch Thor 2 and not want to go out of the theater, wich was not the case this time
>can walk out on Civil War but not Thor 2
That shit taste.

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>>82307674
>Baffling

>>82314258
Yeah, that's seriously weird. The whole review is like "it's a bland product without novelty", and it's considered positive on RT?

Has anyone mentioned the Stan Lee cameo yet? I will say what it is if anyone wants me to.

>>82314988
Tony Stank

>>82313469
Sharon, obviously.

https://play.spotify.com/album/34I793AhPZExy5UkYMNbuE
OST is out for Kangaroolanders

>>82310821
>MASSIVE GRANTS to an entire graduating class of MIT students to fund all their projects/research.

Which is retarded since that's not how grants work.

>>82308541
>>82310203
This scene is fucking stupid and vastly overrated. Tony Stark wasn't on the Pro-Reg side for financial gain, he did it because he thought he was the right thing to do. So Tony isn't going to care if somebody calls him a greedy jew or whatever, since that's not a valid criticism of his stance.

>>82314948
oh shit Joss is doing movie reviews now?

>>82315076
>he thinks it was about the money
The pieces are just heavy handed symbolism, it's the fact that Cap's side see him as a traitor more than anything else.

>>82314948
>Scarlett Johanssen
>More charismatic than Chris Evans

How wrong can one person be?

>>82314948
>Scarlett Johanssen
>charismatic at all
Any time she even tries to act charismatic, it feels forced and unnatural.

>>82315076
>So Tony isn't going to care if somebody calls him a greedy jew or whatever

That's not at all what he's saying idiot

Why do they call him Captain America?
They should just call him Loser because he is not a true winner like me or you. He's a gayness.

>>82315142
Shouldn't you be helping your friend learn to walk, Stark?

>>82315157

>Stark
>not Stank

>>82315157
Shouldn't you be off sucking dick winter soldier faggot
Instead of bucky you should be called fucky

>>82315039
Can't play anything

>>82315178
> mad because Rhodey's dick doesn't even work anymore

>>82315142
Friendship is GAY I am a manly man. I piss protein and sleep on a pile of guns.

>>82315226
Finally, someone with a little common sense around here.

>A big guy crashes onto a plane

I just want to see it so I can see how much better it is than the comics version.

>>82314948
>Scarlet Johansson

If she's not trying to Vagina Scissor Legs Takedown someone, or appeal to them with friendship or love, she's wooden and pretentious.

Normies only love her because she's the token woman besides Wanda who's "strong"

>>82308475
If the Avengers pull themselves back together, he's gonna be in top of that shit in a heartbeat.

>>82315317
I thought she was alright in Winter Soldier. Though the point was that her character was supposed to be a tryhard so it worked there.

>>82315361

She's also pretty good in Civil War. Her little arc of struggling about being the middle of a volatile situation was pretty well-done.

>>82307674
Mexibro here, just arriving.

How is it that we get a better Spider-Man in 20 minutes than in a whole movie?

>>82315317
Did people ever give a shit about Black Widow before MCU?

>>82315433
Based Russos, that's how.

I'm convinced they can do anything if they can take a wreck like Civil War and turn it into a film where I can honestly root for both sides.

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>>82308475
Confirmed for having never read anything comic-related on Zemo.

And besides? Why wouldn't he? He's got a 10/10 body under that suit. Unf.

>>82315317
She had some great stunts, I liked her fighting style this time. Not sure if there's any actual difference, maybe they just shot and edited her sequences better

>>82315448
not really

>>82315468

There's actual weight behind her hits in this one, even moreso then in TWS.

>>82309144
is like if you took Peter/Spidey out of the book and put him in a movie... best spiderman yet, he is the sarcastic, trash talking, quipping webhead we all love

>>82309375
he somewhat threatened Peter to fuck aunt May if he didn't agree

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>>82309427
>>82315517
Slightly less awkward than Batfleck and MARTHA being on top of one another again, but only JUST.

>>82315105
Which always struck me as odd, as Tony was the one trying to get them to join up and help rather than arrest them (that was mostly Ms Marvel.) and Stark made an excellent Director of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Which isn't so bad, actually, The 50 State Initiative did splendidly until Secret Invasion, which nobody, not even Stark, could have predicted.

>>82315140
but that's literally the entire motivation behind the judas mythos, which makes the metaphor fall flat.

>>82307674
Man, Bucky really got the shit kicked out of him by everybody. He didn't win a single fight.

>>82315609
To be fair, he's really the least competent of the entire ensemble.

>>82313707
Implying he won't get another superior vibranium shield from Wakanda or Tony will give him the OG shield for Infinity war

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>"That shield doesn't belong to you"
>"My Father made it!"

>>82315616
It's weird, after he basically kicked curbstomped everyone's ass in the previous film.

In a fair fight who'd win between iron man and cap?

>>82315609
Not really. He kicked Widow,Agent 13, suit-less Tony and Cap all over the place in his escape before sinking that helicopter into the Spree.

>>82315661
Iron man, absolutely. The only way Cap stands a chance is if he pulls a trick like he did in the comic and disables the armor.

>>82315634
Tell me this isn't real

I have mixed feelings. I think I have expected something more, something different. It's really not enough of people and conflict to call it 'civil war'... Click baity much.
I loved Spidey and ant-man, falcon, a lot of Tony feelings in the end. But waaay to much guilttrip for everyone. And got some vision/Wanda, me likes.
I think Martin Freeman character come backs one more time, and probably as villain. He's way too big actor for such small role. And maybe Zemo comes back too. Hail Hydra?..
And Spidey comes back 100%, maaaybe in some new reboot... But he was nicely done, so I'm not against it.
Steve/Sharon wtf, it was from nowhere.
Wished more Hawkeye!
Black Panter was really cool, meow.

>>82315645
everyone was less competent than him in that film too.

Well, I suppose Black widow was less competent in CW...

>>82315678
it's real, but the context isn't as ridiculous as it really is

>>82315678
That's not the exact line but kind of.
My father made that shield.
You don't deserve it.

>>82315634
I saw it as a last desperate retort from Tony knowing he had lost but still tried to take something away from cap

>>82315634
Is that a real wxchange from CW?
People ridicule MARTHA while eating this shit up?

>>82315678
IT is. But it is the last exhausted bit of spite he throws at Cap after the fight as Cap and Bucky limp away. Plus it links into the motivation for the fight. It does sound pathetic, yes. But that is the state they are in at that point. Tony worst of all.

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>>82315634
Guy who posted that here.

I thought that line worked quite well, I realise that choice of image wasn't great. Also its not the full quote

>"That shield doesn't belong to you, you don't deserve it"
>"My Father made it!"

>>82315634
Someone needs to shoop their heads on baby bodies while yelling this exchange at each other.

>>82315727

I mean MARTHA had other issues beyond just that line.

>WHY DID U SAY DAT NAME REEEEEEEE

>THAT'S HIS MOMMY'S NAME!

>MARTHA ISN'T DYING TONIGHT

It was really the whole scene.

The shield scene in CW is handled a lot better.

>>82315773
It's not. Batman was losing his humanity and when he heard his mother's name he freaked out which is normal for him since he's defined by his parents' deaths.

>>82315811

I understand what the intent of the scene was, but intent is irrelevant if the execution is botched. And the MARTHA scene is a masterpiece of unintentional comedy, just like the entire Batman/Superman fight scene before it.

>>82315811
Well, in context on the scene Tony has a really strong emotional moment when in fact really made it work.
>Tony finds out Cap is protecting the killer of his parents
>Cap beats him but before he tells Tony that Bucky is his friend and "so was I"
>Tony has one less friend
>Tony is literally in shreds
>Cap destroys his reactor which is daddy present
>Tony has nothing
>Cap has everything
>Tony and his ego
>"my father made that shield"
>Cap drops the shield
Looking back the most impactful part of the movie is the 3rd arc, really great for every character involved
True Capekino

>>82315773
Oh you bet. CW plays the characters as human. Very, very human. Even in the fighting they don't hate each other like angry gods. The escalation of force is gradual and situational, and by the end they all feel sorrow. It is much different from the angry gods of BvS. Those are self-righteous in the extreme and don't try to avoid conflict so much as seek it.
For Batman, breaking that anger and hatred with a single word is odd. It looks like the movie forgot that its characters are aren't just people for a second.

For Tony to invoke his parents underlines the impression of a lonely child with his toys.

>>82315495
I think that's true for most if the melee cast.

I misread "hits" as "tits" at first.

Do most fights look as bad and choppy as the clip of Bucky taking on Sharon, Widow, and Panther.

>>82315913
Yeah. Cap's tits had a lot of impact on Ant-Man.
Like, fuck. You can't just start fondling that guy.

>>82315913

>weight behind her tits

wew lad

Yeah, but her fighting looked even better in CW. I know people get annoyed by her flipping scissor-kick karate in the movies, but I don't mind it at all and the style is a little more refined here. That part in the Nigeria fight where she spins one dude onto the ground and uses the momentum to land on another guy was awesome.

>>82315930

I think that's the choppiest fight in the movie from what I remember. The stairway fight with the SWAT team was pretty cut-heavy too.

>>82315909

All the drama in the third act worked remarkably well for me. It was nice to see a big MCU blockbuster actually pare down the third act to the emotional core instead of having a big explosion-fest just for the sake of it.

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>scene from the trailers where Bucky proves he's himself happens
>"your mother's name was..."
>some dude in the front row goes "Martha?"
>whole theater laughs

>>82315962
>[Spoiler]

Watched it an hour ago.

First, I have to say I am surprised and glad that the film told me what I realised what the Accords were, a few seconds after I heard about what they are suppose to be; It is a way to remove accountability, to take away decision making and bury it in bureaucracy, and to make sure no one would ever get to be blamed for anything.

You no longer need to rush to save the day, because you are allowed to sit back and let disasters happen while the UN battle it out on if you should go or not.

You no longer need to care about killing innocent people, because the UN takes all the responsibility. Just do as they say and act like a brainwashed frozen supersoldier, and you would not bear any responsibility for your own actions.

Tony Stark lost the argument. He lost wholesale, because by attacking Bucky, who only did what he did under orders and was not responsible for it, Tony is admitting that the Accords are useless. The Avengers are NOT going to be protected by the UN. Doesn't matter if the UN tell them what to do and they do them, the Avengers would still get the blame in the eyes of the innocent victims.

The Accords was a sham, and Tony Stark ended up proving that in the final minutes of the film. Someone who believe responsibility could be spread around the whole organisation, would not have believed that it matters who's hand squeezed his mum's neck. Tony was his own worst enemy. He was Team Cap, he just didn't know it until that point.

As for Zemo, if my understanding was correct, he was not Hydra. He was just a victim who decided to destroy the Avengers. And now that he was under custody, one assumes that Hydra is going to recruit him, as he did so much all alone already, imagine what he could do with actual resources?
My understanding is that the Comic Zemo is someone who lost his Hydra-leader father to Steve Rogers, so it makes sense that the film Zemo is also someone who hate Steve for loss of family.

>>82316061
Continued.


Black Panther was cool, but his coolness is a part of an overall enhancement of combat scenes in the ENTIRE movie. Everyone fights like superheroes, and I could believe any one of them can take on a hundred guards alone. Even Black Widow, who for pregnancy reasons did barely anything in Ultron, but here was a stand out.

Long story short, story is solid, fighting is outstanding for everyone, and I consider this the best of the three Avengers movies.

Team Cap didn't win; Team Ironman lost by resignation.

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That moment when Scott grows scared me, I thought they were gonna pull a Goliath on us.

>>82315981
>what? just like that and we're cool?

>>82316079
>"If you want to get to them; you'll have to go through me."
>Vision casually phases through him to pursue Steve and Bucky

True kino.

>>82316061

>Zemo

It was made clear that Zemo wasn't Hydra, and that in fact Hydra is in shambles and basically dead if his "Hydra deserves to go to ashes" line means anything.

>>82315959
The stairway fight was still pretty cool.

Zemo getting locked up in Bilbo Baggins' hobbit hole makes me think the a hypothetical Thunderbolts lineup in the MCU will be kinda like Ellis' Suicide Squad take on the team, only with Zemo at the helm.

>>82316079
Same here, except for Ant-Man 2 being announced.

>>82315930
>Do most fights look as bad and choppy as the clip of Bucky taking on Sharon, Widow, and Panther.
The fights overall are very good, consider how many there actually are. I can tell they actually spend money and TIME, lots of time, to get the fighting done right. Real effort was put in to make everyone look super-powerful.

>>82316110
Zemo: Citizen V
Pilfered Yellowjacket Molecules Stooge: Atlas
Some energy lady: Moonstone/Meteor
Songbird
Justin Hammer: Techno

>>82316100

No it was, I'm just saying it was pretty choppy at points.

The one thing I didn't like were the eding itles. Good idea, bad execution.

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WHY AM I READING ALL THESE SPOILERS FUCK I'M MORE HYPE THEN EVER THO GOD DAMN 1 WEEK LEFT

So what was at the credits?