Homesleuth

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>No "Homestuck" in the OP
>Shitty Vriskabait instead
>Other thread is still going
Anon, please. Do you want HS threads to get banned again?

>>82288147
And now the other thread is dead.

>>82286858
>Post has several 8's on it
Fuck off Serket

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J U S T
http://dr-floss.tumblr.com/post/143487116175/some-bigoted-asshole-was-insulting-my-religion-the

>>>82279863
she has the arc we all secretly want to have. transformation from the shades we are, completely through robotic faux-life, to actual living. she is the little girl we want to be

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>>82286858

>Killed Tavros for no reason

>Is a huge bitch

>Backwards character arc

>Was the reason for the retcon

I'm personally a fan of Vriska but she had way too much relevance at the end of the comic. The kids killing LE would have been so much better than her one-shotting him with an overpowered juju.

Pic semi-related

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When did everything go so wrong?

The only good Vriska is a dominated, rough fucked and abused Vriska who knows her place is under someone

>>82288873
Vriska fucking (Vriska)?

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>>82288662
That critique is pretty terrible though. See pic related as well.

But yeah. Of the two Vriska fans I'm friends with, one was HUGELY disappointed by what Vriska's character arc ended up being, and the other straight up doesn't want to talk about it.
From what I've seen, the satisfied Vriska fans are either:
1. Waifufags who want Vriska to step on their dicks and get off to people complaining about her role in the story;
2. Emotionally vulnerable teens who consider her a role model because they don't know any better;
or 3. Pretentious readers who think it's "deep" and "subversive" to let your characters be genuine Mary Sues for the sake of irony

Even if you're satisfied with her arc (or lack thereof), you've got to admit it took away from the comic, rather than adding to it.
I like Vriska as a concept (or I did until the retcon, at least), but she hurt Homestuck as a story. And that's a shame.

>>82288873
>rough fucked
>not pushed to the ground, repeatedly, until she just sits there in confused resignation

>>82288901
We all fucking know that Karkatfags, Vriskafags and maybe Terezi fans got fucked over hard.

>>82288928
>and then fucked

>>82288587
pretty ironic, because Alternia is pretty much what Islam would make of the world

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>>82288873
>(Tavros) will never take advantage of an emotionally fragile and desperate (Vriska)
>He will never use his accomplishment and status as an army leader to threaten and humiliate her
>(Vriska) will never obediently follow (Tavros) around in a skimpier version of her fairy dress
>She will never sob as he reveals he does actually like her, but just when she's helpless
>We will never see (Tavros) act on the creepy, possessive impulses he had towards (Vriska) back when he found the Ring of Life
>People will never defend (Tavros) and his behavior because '(Vriska) deserved it'
>Hilarious, hot and horrifying (Tavros)-on-(Vriska) abuse will never be a thing
MISSED
OPPORTUNITY

>>82289074
I would rather have (Tavros) dominate and mindbreak (Karkat) and then claim that he is the superior and better leader than him

>>82289111
But thats just cause you're gay

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Aradia is best smuppet

Why is aradia so memetastic

>>82288587
>Some bigoted asshole was insulting my religion the other day, so here’s a big fuck you to him 8))
I'm not sure what bad Kanaya art is supposed to do to fuck him.

>>82289161
God has left us

>>82288901
No idea how pic related is a good criticism of the slide.

The slide is all about why a lot of people dislike the ending, not why the ending is objectively shit.

The ending broke a lot of things in traditional storytelling, and a lot of those things were things people liked in storytelling, shit like resolving your main plot. Naturally people aren't going to like it.

Understanding where Homestuck straight up fails is a bit of a more difficult critique to pull off, because you need to first define where exactly shit started to go south, but on its own it's not hard to see why the ending got shit on.

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>>82289204
There's more where that came from

>>82289223
Holy fuck are you criticizing a criticism of a criticism?

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>>82289238

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POST BEST GIRL

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>>82289270
Okay

>>82289269
>only one nose

>>82286858
>> Finishes of their king by being OP as fuck
She was a kill stealing bitch. A stoner clown did more damage than her.

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>>82288662
>Is a huge bitch
It's okay. That's my fetish

wwhy is every ship wwith eri so perfect?
wwhy is eri so perfect?

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Remember that this exists.

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>>82289316
Fixed

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What if Vriska was a guy?

>>82289422
You somehow made Vriska worse.

>>82289422
>Homestuck ends with harem

was that Male Nep fic finished last night?

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hey guys do you like my OCs they're like regular homestuck kids except in a universe where andrew hussie is a conman that steals millions of dollars from his fans

>>82289422
Nigger what the fuck are you doing

It's been over two weeks, hsg. How have you dealt with your rage about how much of a trainwreck the ending was?

>>82289491
We're HST

HSG is dead. Joey killed it. Fuck you, Joey!

>>82289491
That trainwreck of an ending felt like an appropriate conclusion to this trainwreck of a story.
I regret becoming emotionally invested in that stupid comic, but it taught me a bunch of things. And in the future people will learn from Hussie's genius and from his fuckups. That's a good consolation prize.

>>82289491
i'm putting major effort into my own project because it's either that or i finally kill myself

homestuck was all i had for years

>>82289491
i was ready for a shitty ending

>>82289549
same

What were metastuck godtiers again?
I remember tumblr being thief of space and HSG being prince of rage

>>82289550
Hussie's "genius"(and it is genius), was introducing literally a million fucking plot elements, references, and memes the internet would like

But it can never result in a conclusive story

Good time travel stories are TIGHT: See Madoka, Groundhog's Day, Stein's Gate, etc.

The longer you go, the more likely your ending is a clusterfuck

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>>82289491

Read the Strip Pokerstuck fics a couple times. The Vriska/Aradia fingerbanging battle helped ease the pain.

>>82289491
I simply never expected Hussie to deliver a satisfying ending.

>>82289584
It could have worked if Act 6 was a conclusion instead of being HALF THE STORY...

>>82289583
MSPAF is Heir of Time
DA is Maid of Heart.

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>>82289549

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>>82289583

>>82286858
>Fixes one of the biggest potential paradoxes
except homestuck works on causality, so she'd already commited to doing so by virtue of bec being in their session

>>82289422
Then Hussie wouldn't have waifued him, and the comic would probably be better for it,

>>82289710
Eridan should have been a girl

>>82289422
If the genders of the trolls were all reversed, and their personalities stay was the same, I don't think I could dislike a single character. Male Fef might be a bit strange though.

>>82289422
He'd probably be more hated than Eridan

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I've realised something.

Vriska beat Lord English. She was needed to do this. Let's say that she could only do this by being a god tier as well. Vriska reached the god tier because Aradia killed her. This happened as revenge for Vriska's psychic double reacharound. But this itself was only inflicted because Vriska lost an arm and eye, due to Scratch blowing up her cue ball.

Scratch blew it up because he was shocked and angered to learn that she owned at all. This is because the ball had been concealed by the Zahhaks, most prominently E%ecutor Darkleer. Darkleer is another version of Horuss Zahhak.

You could say that Lord English was only beaten because of the existence of Horuss.

>>82289732
>female gamzee
YES
PLEASE

>>82289583
At this point the metastuck Session is fucked beyond the point of hope.

The Time player's dead, the Heart player is gone, the Rage player's bleeding out on the floor, all that's left is Tumblr.

Maybe Hivebent can scratch the session or some shit.

>>82289516
Fuck you! Joey is the greatest thing to come out of Homestuck, right next to Undertale.

>>82289755
Well if you go that far back on any random aspect it all connects, you can trace lord english to the fact that the beforus trolls fucking sucked and failed their session

>>82289732
>male condesce

>>82289759
>Metastuck gets scratched
Who would take MSPAF place?

>>82289761
No! Joey is awful, she stole two point four million dollars and killed Homestuck!

I HATE JOEY!

I HATE HER!

>>82289801
actually all the peixes trolls probably suck as male

>>82289812
You know this thread's gonna kill me for it but it's gotta be Reddit. There's no other fucking Homestuck fanbase left on the internet outside of us, Tumblr, and Leddit.

>>82289564
Maybe this was Hussie's true plan.

Piss his fanbase off so much it inspires the next generation of authors and artists to go in the exact opposite direction of Homestuck.

>>82289759
>Post-scratch session
>Team Special Olympics, Elfwood, Livejournal and /co/ play SBURB
That'd be something.

Alternatively, maybe our remaining heroes can bring /r/Homestuck into the session - not a wonderful choice, mind you, but there aren't many options left.
What's Reddit's title anyway? Waste of Mind?

>>82289842
r/homestuck seems more like the obvious replacement for dA

Can you guys dump some Karkat getting cuckolded images?

Preferable old fanart of sad Karkat having a crush on Jade, but she went with Dave instead.

>>82289812
reddit
/trash/
twitter
the mspa wiki

>>82289868
If we're talking Hiveswap, maybe /hsg/ gets scratched into /hvsg/, who is to /vg/ what /hsg/ is to /co/.

/r/homestuck is probably a Page of something.

>>82289908
Now I want to see these four assholes get into a void session and deal with ridiculous teen drama, waiting for four heroes that will never come.

>>82289732
>Male Vriska abusing female Tavros
>Implying Hussie wouldn't get stabbed to death by SJWs

>>82289756
>juggalette
no thanks, more power to you though

>>82289941
>GO timeline updates
>Boy Terezi stabs Gamzee the abusive girl, who never gets to speak again from that point onward
Imagine the outcry.

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004292
Behold, the exact page where this comic became unsalvagable.

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>>82289978
>Boy Terezi
hnng

>>82289732
Imagine all the porn of desperate fem!Eridan

>>82288587

I hope that no members of his religion takes note of muslim lesbian space vampire there, or else they might murder the character he likes in the name of the god he likes.

>>82289908
>reddit the waste of time, prototypes his markov chain shitpost bot post entry
>/trash/ the waste of space, unironic RPer
>twitter the waste of breath, vapid and incapable of long coherent conversations, easily sidetracked
>wiki the Page of Light, a know it all that's full of shit
Set course for failure

>>82288587
>Named Maryam, the Arabic form of Miryam, AKA Mary
>Is literally the troll virgin Mary
>Every humanized version of her is Muslim
Do retarded westerners think that Arab=Muslim and Muslim=Arab???

>>82289732
I think Nepeta would come off pretty poorly as a guy; a lot of Neps negative features and even some of her positive ones are made bearable given her cuteness. Whilst it wasn't explored at all, the idea of a savage hunter troll in a cute package is pretty appealing as a character trait, being a dude kind of eliminates that appeal.

Now Eridan would take the change like a fish to water. He'd instantly become the top tier crazy, desperate waifu, especially given the fashion sense and supposed good looks. There's even his whole cross dressing thing to throw into the mix for people who are into that sort of thing.

>>82290132
>Do retarded westerners think that Arab=Muslim and Muslim=Arab???
pretty much

>>82288662
Some thoughts on this image. I mostly agree with it's premise, but it's focus is off in places.

First a rewrite of some of the earlier slides:

"The audience cannot care about the the beauty of a new frog with Lord English at large. You let all the air out of the story by acting like it doesn't even matter."
- the audience isn't ACTUALLY terrified that Lord English will kill them. They're just invested in the conclusion, and disappointed that it's treat like it never mattered.

"no hugging dad etc. until the threat is over"
- same as before.

Now some commentary on the later slides:

I'd argue that Vriska straddles uncomfortably between being the "big good", like Vultan in Flash Gordon or Zeus in anything about Hercules, as well as the main character. This worked when she was supposed to be an obnoxious, flawed character seeking too much attention and importance, but then it became her straight-up role in the story.

The comic's darkest hour/s already occured with Jack's ascenscion, Jack's transformation into Bec Noir, Lord English's summoning and Caliborn's false predomination. Game Over's isse was that it stretched the Darkest Houryness of the comic too thin.

Hussie pretty much went against his own lengthy rants in the comic during the Trickster arc and Caliborn's tedious quest by granting the undo button. I understand it's meant to be poetic, because Caliborn unleashed the button and it's supposed to be his brutal comeuppance, but all it does is reduce every other character in the story to a prop in the tale of Caliborn's punishment. Every other character's actions and roles in the story boil down to the chain reactions of Caliborn's decisions, their own will never indepedently realised.

1/2

>>82288901
I kind of like the car analogy

>>82289927
/r/homestuck would be a Rogue of Mind. Rogues will generally distribute their aspect to someone or something outside of themselves after taking it, like how Reddit redistributes content & ideas from other websites.

>>82288662
>>82290161
2/2

I'd argue the reason Homestuck's dialog worked so well before later Act 6 is that it never had to do contrived exposition, only natural stuff. Characters like Rose, Doc Scratch, the sprites and even the Trolls in general covered many bases, but ultimately the black text narration of Hussie himself was always there. By the end, only Spade Slick segments recieved this. Calliope's dialog marked the beginning of contrived exposition, which we all anticipated to be a flaw on her part. Like Vriska however, it was played straight.

I'm not too sure about the character vs. plot dichotomy employed here. But I will say that a lot of people read the story for the mechanics. They were interested in how Lord English made himself so powerful, and in turn how the Heroes would beat him. This was largely unresolved. Collide was satisfying for its action, but much was glazed over in terms of the world of Homestuck's logic during the later parts of the comic.

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>>82290141
it matters not

>>82290183
WHERE'S THE FIC

>>82290132
Make her Jewish as a compromise.

>>82290196
I DONT KNOW IVE BEEN WAITING JUST AS LONG. FUCK YOU

>>82289612
Actually have that exact fic in another tab

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>>82290177
A picture summary

>>82290183
Oh he'd definitely have a hardcore fan base, it'd just be smaller as a dude. Now female Equius on the other hand would elicit glee from selective fetish groups just imagine the volume of horde dickings artwork.

>>82289812
>>82289908
>>82289842
The Scratched players need to be the guardians/ancestors of the original players.

/hsg/ ==> /co/nrad
tumblr ==> livejournal
MSPAF ==> SA or PA forums (Where was Jailbreak originally hosted?)
dA ==> Furaffinity

The joke being that they all probably hate Homestuck

>>82289250
Not even the anon you responded to, you've got a lot to learn if that freaks you out.

>>82290199
>>82290199
I'm more butthurt that Aradia's last name is literally Megido yet I have yet to see a Jewish version of her

>>82289785
No, that's the cause of Lord English. That helped him, anon. Not hurt him.

Lord English lost because he failed to anticipate Vriska, which ultimately stems back to Horuss shielding the cueball.

>>82290271
While that's in line with how The Scratch works it wouldn't make for a very interesting meta-session

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>>82290221

Same.

Never really saw the headcanon of Aradia being the best-built troll until I read it. Now it's patently obvious to anyone with eyes.

>>82290115
Fantastic, but without using the joke aspects

>Reddit, the Rogue of Life, takes ideas and creativity from other sources and redistributes it, needs content to survive
>/trash/, the Bard of Breath, who escapes the tyranny of the /co/ mods but brings about destruction through rampant loli and shota-posting
>Wiki, the Page of Light, who dispenses false info and doesn't understand their own lack of importance

No idea about who Twitter would be. Not even sure if Twitter has a big Homestuck following, or if it ever did.

Why am I getting fucked over for being a Karkat fan?

It's not fair.

>>82290271
>Where was Jailbreak originally hosted
iirc it was on mspaf, which was originally a forum for tso, not sure when the rebranding happened.

>>82290307
the beforus session is literally where the session chain begins, right?

if they didn't fail their session then the alternians wouldn't be able to create the kids' universe, and they wouldn't scratch to create the alphas etc.

it's all mired in causality so it doesn't matter, but you know how it is

>>82290141
Let's be honest, Male!Nepeta would just be Chat Noir and /co/ would be completely okay with that.

>>82289812
>>82289908
/co/ ==> /trash/
MSPAF ==> MSPAW
tumblr ==> reddit?
dA ==> Twitter?

Makes you wonder how the player/guardian relationships pair out.

>>82290373
They failed their session because Lord English willed them to fail. It's accounted in his plan.

What he DIDN'T account for, was Horuss shielding the cueball.

Do you see now?

>>82290330
I like the idea of a session where none of the players even want to play, but they are accidentally thrust into the session because paradox loops.

What went wrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaJsqJ_oV2g

>>82290375
You're probably right, I've not watched the Ladybug show but I would imagine that if Chat Noir went on about shipping he'd probably have less fans than his default self. But the fan content would make up any slack in popularity as a result, given this is the case with dear, sweet Nepeta.

>>82290413
It's just semantics dude, you could say the same for the crowbar. The crowbar is what slick used to fucked up vriska's clock, keeping her around, but the only reason it was there was because caliborn brought it with him to destroy his own god clock.

None of it really matters.

>>82290462
Act 6 happened when Rachel moved in

>>82290391
/co/ as a guardian is extremely strict about everything, /trash/ chills out in the dumps to get away from everything.

MSPAF is MSPAW's dead grandparent, they're being raised by the PA forums who is a cynical asshole.

Tumblr is Reddit's older, bitchier, sister. They hate each other.

DA is Twitter (?)'s dead grandmother. Twitter's the heiress to a large tech conglomerate who lives like a spoiled celebrity brat.

>>82290462
back-to-back-to-back hiatus'

Hussie had been winging it, and suddenly stopping for extended periods made him literally lose the plot. he even wrote a tragically prescient blogpost about it.

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>>82290350
You think it's not fair?
Imagine liking Tavrosprite.

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Which characters would most likely go on to become the dregs of society? Murderers, rapists and so on.

I have a feeling Nep would be pedo later on if she and Karkat never ended up with each other.

>Trolls rushing through their session and not doing quests and growing as people was their downfall
>Trickster arc was meant to establish that instantly fixing your problems is a bad thing
>Retcon stopped the players from growing as characters AND fixed everything
HUSSIE

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He-Nep was a mistake.
Like seriously where is the big poofy collar and fake Lincoln beard?

>>82290684
Vriska, because she thinks the shit she pulled would fly in the real world.

>>82290685
they're human beings with no character rules and they don't need to play by sburb rules or society's rules about masculinity

they escaped the story ;)

>>82290584
What is MSPAW?

>>82290706
See this is what I don't get

Vriska in Hivebent was a total fuckhead who fucks up to the point where Terezi STABS HER IN THE FUCKING BACK because of how much of a GODDAMN LIABILITY she is and Paradox Space judges that death as JUST

THE MOST DISHONOURABLE FUCKING DEATH POSSIBLE is judged as JUST because VRISKA WAS JUST THAT MUCH OF A CUNT

So WHY did Hussie retcon things to Vriska dindu nuffin and also is the savior?

>>82290742
MSPA Wiki.

Actually, technically MSPA Fanventures could be a good counterpart as well, considering it's still up and running.

>>82290481
It really isn't. Look at the actual detail rather than using "it's all complicated and interconnected!" as a mental stop-signal.

>>82286858
Vriska is truly MVP of Sburb
She'll probably get something super special in the epilogue

>>82290773
Maybe MSPAFA is the Trolls/Cherubs of the story

>>82290773
Is there even really a Wiki community that isn't just a subset of the forum community?

>>82286858
> Finishes of their king by being OP as fuck

last blows don't cancel team effort, the real MVP is aradia

> Fixes one of the biggest potential paradoxes, by ensuring that Bec gets prototyped

I said this before and I'll say it again if vriska didn't exist Bec noir wouldn't be a thing

> Thus saves two universes by sacrificing their win. (Although she probably just wanted to ensure, that they keep being in the alpha timeline)

and if bec noir didn't exist the trolls would have also been successful

and caliborn would not have became so much stronger and smarter

> Creates a strategy to face LE, finds a hidden weapon and after shit fell apart, she picked up the pieces and got shit done.

true except the vriska that got it done did none of the work

> Actually thought of stuff like immobilizing Gcat and Grimbark and keeping some important aspects unchanged

the knowledge to do that came from her looking ahead and being told to do that

I know you are just pretending op but I also know there are people who legitimately share those views

>>82290804
Please let it be a big kick up the arse.

>>82290846
>I know you're baiting but let me bite anyway
Always hilarious.

>>82290887
here's your (you)

imagine a world without vriska and karkat

life would be beautiful

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>>82290916
Too far. Can't we just hide him somewhere that nobody will ever bother looking for him?

Vriska is literally only good for her sex appeal.
And she isn't even the hottest troll.

>>82290965
>attracted to trolls

gross

>>82290958
It's an interesting idea to think about actually, how would the story have been constructed if Karkat wasn't present, or one of the primary cast of the trolls? Given how awful the retcon was for a number of the characters and their arcs, you could argue it'd make no real difference in the end.

I primarily wonder who Hussie would've chosen to be the troll MC in Karkat's and Vriska's place, probably Terezi I guess? Maybe Tavros would be more easy to manage, given Terezi's rather difficult personality.

>the person who made "you cant fight the homestuck" video has only one, small backhanded comment about homestucks ending and it was "its shittier than expected"

Shits sad yo

Think of names for metastuck fraymotifs

tumblr + /hsg/ ==> REEEEEEEEVERB
MSPAF ==> Inappropriate Time For Slam
/hsg/ ==> Dance Without Rhythm

>>82290252
I hope we see more people add on to this until we have a perfect 8888x8888 square of criticism clusterfuck

>>82291054
Tavros is too much of an obvious choice for someone like Hussie.

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>>82291054
but i got the rope and efurrything!

>>82291054
Sollux.

>>82289422
>>82289452
>Rule63!Homestuck ends with Man!Vriska getting all the bitches
>Including female Hussie
I'm okay with that

>>82289491
I was okay with it, it wasn't the best thing Hussie's ever done but I liked it

>>82290141
>Cat boy
>Come off poorly
You shut your whore mouth

>>82290267
>Catboy Nep
>Sweaty Musclegirl Equius
...WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU DO THIS HUSSIE?

>>82290756
Because Vriska is VERY good at breaking games and finding exploits, one of the most powerful players in their session, and was a hero in her own head
Hypothetically speaking if you could keep her from going off the reservation and let her play the hero she'd be a HUGE asset, "Dangerous people can be useful" and all that.
Additionally she was starting to question herself (though from what was shown that got torpedoed both pre and post retcon), best case scenario she had some unseen character development on the meteor post retcon and became a team player even if she stayed a bitch, worst case everyone else managed to keep her from getting fixated on a "villain" and didn't trigger one of her insane "never de-escalate conflicts" loops so she never became a problem again

>>82290868
>YFW she become overgod tier for killing LE

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>>82291033
>implying you wouldn't ram the ram

>>82291207
Aradia is over rated and the constant spamming of her is making me hate her

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>>82291091
>REEEEEEEEVERB

FUCKIN

>>82291223
we just need some new images, the old ones are getting stale

>>82289658
I thought /hsg/ was a time aspect so he can fight with himeself

>>82291137
Perhaps Kanaya then? She's suitably bland enough to work as a primary view point protagonist, whilst retaining enough personal interests to make her interesting to develop. You also get the bonus lesbian brownie points with the progressive crowd by having a carpet munching MC.

>>82291168
Fuck how did I forget Sollux, he'd be pretty fucking effective as an MC. Perhaps even too good? Gotta have some stupid shit happening as a result of the main cast's actions.

I would've liked to have seen him as the primary supporting character to Karkat or Terezi in the actual comic, shame he never got the chance to do much actually in session.

>>82291114
That would make me happy

>>82291268
Karkat also argued with himself without having time as aspect

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>>82291167
Just play the long game, eventually Jade will chase him off from Dave and you're set with an emotionally vulnerable angry baby-man, easy pickings.

Well, unless you're dead.

>>82291114
>>82291305
>8888x8888 square of criticism clusterfuck
>And the thumbnail looks like a laughing Vriska

>>82291319
no like physically assaulted himself

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>>82291091
>REEEEEEEEVERB
>Inappropriate Time For Slam
>Dance Without Rhythm

PURE FUCKING GOLD MAN

>>82290684
Let's be real, Vriska is a social and emotional cripple. She doesn't understand people, she does just enough to carefully sidestep retribution for her actions. And she only manages to when there's a bigger threat that makes everyone else think her presence is justified.

To quote (Vriska) herself, she never feels "ACTUALLY good a8out [her] life in a way that feels real, instead of forced." Vriska is someone who cannot find happiness. She's addicted to heroism, power and attention, the only things that feel good to her, and she needs her fix. The rush of satisfaction that comes with defeating Lord English will fade away with time, and then she'll feel frustrated and bored again.

She'll probably murder a starving carapacian from stealing a loaf of bread, or secretly fund Jack Noir's developing mafia until they control half of Can Town, just so she can take them down. And she'll probably end up bullying someone entirely innocent like WV to entertain herself, since she's used to getting away with that sort of thing.

At some point, that shit will no longer fly. The kids will get their shit together and bring out increasingly heavy punishments until she changes her ways for good or ends up exiled from society altogether. (If she doesn't become an actual threat and die a JUST death first.)

THEN she'll begin the life of a criminal scum, forced to hide from the kids' justice, committing unremarkable acts of petty thievery in order to feel important. Addiction is a powerful thing.

Eventually, she'll realize her miserable situation. No longer in the spotlight, having fallen from her pedestal of importance, completely out of luck, finding herself unambiguously playing the bad guy, Vriska will do the greatest, most selfless act she can accomplish: she will an hero.

No one will know, few will care, fewer will remember her. Karma doesn't need to lift a finger: in a fitting conclusion to her story, Vriska Serket will punish herself.

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I want to hunt Hussie down and break into his house at night just to stand over him before unloading the contents of my stomach all over him because his ending made me sick

>>82291527
The assmad revenge fantasies against Vriska are the most entertaining thing to come out of the ending

>>82291566
From what orfice?

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>>82291614
Both ends

>>82291578
That post was pretty entertaining to write. Sounds like a win/win, right?

>>82291527
Vriska starts off not understanding other people, which is why she's so fuck-awful to Tavros. Towards the end she still big glitches, and it's frankly evil that the story never redresses this.

Social cripple? Far from it. You cannot just use the above to write off everything about Vriska. She's got very hard internal priorities, and she definitely understands one person - HERSELF. In fact that's the only problem with (Vriska), she's learnt to understand others but not herself.

Why the fuck does the story keep on bullying Karkat?

It's like it wants Karkat to commit a sin.

>>82291091
tumblr + HSG + MSPAF ==> Mobius Double Murder Suicide

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>>82291817
From now on I'm going to respond to every "muh poor Karkat" post with pictures of GCATavros.
Or at least I would if there was any fanart of GCATavros at all.

people complaining about karkat are getting annoying as fuck

>>82291905
Anon. Tavros is a good boy.

Karkat can only redeem his character arc by becoming an edgelord instead of Kanaya 2.0 male edition.

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offur still stands
i know how to get karcat out of your fur for good

A few threads ago one anon was talking about making a game and it got me thinking. I've messed around with a fair bit of procedural generation stuff, and made a few little planets and things before, but you can only do so much with that while making sense.

The lands in HS though, they're all sorts of crazy, and that'd make some cool subject matter. So, I'm thinking that making a land generator might be a pretty fun project. Might hook it up to a twitter bot or something so it posts a new land each day.

What do you guys think? Might be helpful for people making fics, planning games or whatever.

>>82292012
I forgot to say that it'd probably make two pictures, like one of the planet from space and one ground level scene or something, along with a little description or something.

>>82291905
Karkat had more wasted potential from a story sense because he was built up as the main troll and had the most dialogue in the comic by the end of it, and he still never accomplished anything despite all that.

>>82292012
Sounds pretty fucking dope

>>82292042
> most dialogue = deserves a bigger payoff in the ending

>>82292012
>people using land generators

>when Gamzee has a circus land and Vriska has a pirate land

just make your own, fags

>>82292012
>>82292039
Sounds great, make it a reality!

>>82291829
Aren't fraymotifs supposed to have music themed names?

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there are cherub bones at the troll frog temple

>>82292115
Well, kind of? It means that the narrative placed more weight on him than anybody else, by the sheer fact that his dialogue alone comprises a fucking novel.

>>82292139
>wanting to be a hack like hussie

>>82292186
or maybe those are lusus bones

>>82292201
yeah making some random shit like the land of glass shards and bleach really makes you an artisté

I think I have found a massive plothole but my head hurts trying to think about it

>>82292232
lusii are white

>>82292012
Oh hey, that was me. If you were the anon with a trash email I forgot to contact you, I'll do it now.

The idea is neat, but random land -name- generators already exist though. Are you going to do something visual?

>>82292348
and humans are pink with white bones

>>82292352
I was the other guy who asked about the noise generation.

The idea was to make it generate images in the style of the other lands in the comic. Pretty sure I could whip up a shader to get stuff on any renders close enough to the drawn stuff.

>>82292139
>>82292298
To me it's more for the sake of making a fun thing than the stuff you get out of it, but I could also make it reply to tweets with land subjects with its best shot at making a land based on those. That might be a bit more useful.

>>82292333
We've probably already found it.

>>82289941
this is what Eridan could have been, but instead he got turned into a joke

>>82292458
Did you reply to the wrong post or something??

>>82292425
It's about a multiple Spades Slick Paradox. He might still be alive (technically)

It also makes the retcon timeline even more bullshit

>>82292511
wtf are you talking about

>>82292186
OR Abraxas bones. Abraxas in general is a massive ???.

>>82292511
Just laid it out as clearly as possible and we'll tell if you've gone wrong and how.

>>82292348
Triggered

>>82292615
I think he means how there were multiple SSs in the intermission, but all but one were killed in the end.

>>82292648
I anticipate as much but let's see.

>>82292683
On second thought he might be right if he is going with the idea that all of the timelines accessible via Die's doll exist at the same time in paradox space in some sort of multiversal superposition.

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>>82292420
That sounds cool as shit

>>82292815
Well, as a rule all timelines are doomed offshoots bar one, so the Slicks of those other realities are irrelevant to the plot ala Aranea.

All the space Slicks, all the rest of the Midnight Crew and (until Slick revived them) the Felt were wiped out when Slick opened Lord English's Clockvault. Now that's the bigger question. How did Lord English get that vault, or make it, and why did it exist? Magic powers from nowhere with no precedent or explanation, just forgotten and left unresolved.

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>>82291566

>>82292012
Easy mode would be just a fill in the blanks random word generator

Hard mode would require checking Toadyone's notes

what I hate about the ending is how paradox space was all like "no way there's gonna be two different versions of the same character left alive, gotta fix that shit immediately" and systematically eliminated characters until there was only one of each left

like it wasn't just time clones and retcon clones, spades slick came from another universe and he still got decapitated. in the end everyone was just paradox space's bitch

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>>82292683
Hopefully I'm not making a fool out of myself.

I probably am, but It was breaking my brain ever since the retcon.

>>82292966
But there were two Nannas and one Jane Crocker, for a total of THREE Janes.

>>82293019
don't sprites die after the session is won?

>>82292966
Unlike what the rainbow universe-frogs, the snazzy god-pajamas SBURB gives out, and happy music of Act 7 would lead you to believe, Homestuck is not a happy story. It's about existential and cosmic horror. And the worst thing is, this will never be acknowledged.
What a mess.

Caliborn is the villain because he is masculine
Caliborn is the villain because he tries hard
Caliborn is the villain because he doesn't let feelings slow him down
Caliborn is the villain because he doesn't buckle under pressure
Caliborn is the villain because no matter how great his problems he always presses on
Caliborn is the villain because he's not afraid to speak his mind, even if it means he hurts peoples' feelings
Caliborn is the villain because he dared to have dreams of being an artist
Caliborn is the villain because not afraid to do things alone and doesn't need a shoulder to cry on
Caliborn is the villain because he accepted fate and didn't act like a spoiled brat about it
Caliborn is the villain because he's everything modern society demonizes

>>82293043
We don't know
I assume that since the trolls didn't have theirs then yeah they do die, meaning jasperose, gcatavros, nanas, and davepeta are fucking meaningless

>>82293043
No. Otherwise ARquiussprite wouldn't have been in the masterpiece.

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>>82292943
Well I'm not thinking of laying out an entire world in detail, so the geography only needs to be a general overview for the planet view and more detail for a small region to get the ground-level render down.

I've done some fairly sophisticated generation stuff before. Pic related, though that one was specifically looking for self-contained islands. Spoilered because not really thread-relevant.

>>82292918
But Die's doll doesn't create doomed timelines, it changes which timeline is the alpha. Otherwise every Die would be doomed.

Actually, Die has John's power.

>>82293104
And he learned all of that at the ripe age of eleven.

>>82293043
Sprites are supposed to go to the Battlefield and get hit by meteors during the Reckoning, I think.

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>>82293104
Sure mate, whatever you say.

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>>82293104
>We will never be free from the tyranny of Vriska/Gamzee/Caliborn apologists, no matter how obvious or subtle they make their bait, or even if they're dead serious somehow

>>82293179
what's to apologize for?

>>82293179
Vriska did nothing wrong. She just wanted to win the game in the best way she knew how.

>>82293104
>all the villains were heterosexual
>the two people who turned evil were heterosexual and spent this time flirting with their crushes

What is Hussie trying to say

>>82293179
Caliborn tried to destroy Homestuck
How is that bad?

>>82293215
John is gonna be the villain of the epilogue

>>82293236
How's he going to be villainous

>>82293215
Who are you counting as villains in this case?

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Why did this ominous ending to collide amount to fucking nothing?

>>82293257
To help further relate to Homestuck's current audience, John will be the villain because he refuses to call his daughter by her preferred pronouns as a gendercarapace trollkin cherubfluid modern teen and insists she take her troll horns off at the dinner table

>>82293257
Due to Roxy ending with Calliope

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>>82293278
This.
This ending made me think there was something big. some kind of final twist that just...never happened.

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>>82293233
>>82293205
>>82293213

>>82292991
This makes my head hurt and will take some time for me to process. But I will say one thing.

John's retcon powers are inconsistent and behave arbitrarily to enact whatever outcome the plot demands. Sometimes they act like stable time loops, sometimes they create an offshoot timeline and make that the "new" alpha timeline. That means that retconned history isn't always erased. It's only erased sometimes, when convenient for the story.

>>82292991
Good effort on make all the images and such, but I'm seeing a simple problem immediately. The retcon wouldn't cause Slick to be cloned. It would just mean Slick would arrive at the new session rather than the old one. Prior to the Retcon we never saw what happened to Slick, or Lord Jack for that matter. Maybe he made to the session and was scrambled like Dirk, or maybe he never arrived at all, instead arriving at the post-retcon session thanks to the Void.

>>82293137
Die's doll has no influence on the existence or status of timelines at ALL. The doll is a very simple artifact - it travels sideways through time, to the nearest alternative timeline where everyone pinned in the doll is dead.

I think the segment in the void where the Felt was revived threw everyone for a wheeler. The doll only worked that way because it was the void, so there are no "timelines".

>>82293315
yeah that's what is bugging me primarily, uncertainty

>>82293324
>or maybe he never arrived at all, instead arriving at the post-retcon session thanks to the Void.
you make a very good point, pardox space likes to do bullshit stuff like that, the fact that we don't know if a juju cements the timeline, erasing those from before, (like with dream rose), or something else.

it was just rubbing me the wrong way and I tried my best to get my head around it

>>82293284
Thank god this will never happen, because Hussie has no real idea about that shitty culture

>>82292991
I knew at some point time travel would fuck something up

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How did Lord Jack come to be post-retcon, with Gamzee locked in the fridge?

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>>82293278
>>82293303
>tfw still hoping that all the hanging plot points and general incompleteness is some ultimate meta hint of how the story really isn't over at all and the epilogue will actually be the true end

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>>82293303
>entire comic is full of twists, shenanigans, shit going awry and bullshit
>absolutely everything in the last week of updates was 100% played straight, no twists, no surprises, no stakes or drama. nothing.

Why the fuck doesn't Karkat deserve some fucking hatred? Piece of shit hogged the spotlight with Vriska over irrelevant bullshit.

>>82293457
Epilogue's gonna be character and ship closure at most man, face it.

IDE/Theory:
Only one John is capable of having retcon powers at a time. When Future John retcons back to a point in time where he had retcon powers, Past John immediately loses all of his retcon powers. This solves the Infinite John Loop problem.

>>82293453
It's implied Vriska did it. Probably to destroy that copy of Cal so there's only one since it's a juju.

>>82293453
Hack writing.

>>82293479
I doubt Hussie is going to do any ship closure after putting everyone in those vague trios.

>>82293482
what determines which john keeps his powers then

we already saw one john from the past keep his powers after a john sent him on his way and another from the future keep his powers after he sent his past self on his way

>>82293542
Everything in Act 7 was vague, and since the epilogue is apparently supposed to be about clearing that up

>>82293565
Whichever one the narrative is following, I guess

>>82293565
>We will never see two Johns fight to the death because there can only be one.

What if instead of retcon powers, John got King Crimson's powers? Would that make the story more understandable?

>>82293104
Caliborn also killed his sister and accepted a deal that would lead to him going about reality and ruining an unfathomable amount of sessions, quite literally aborting an infinite amount of universes.

The epilogue is going to primarily focus on Vriska. She will most likely get the final frame of the comic. She is literally the main character of Homestuck, it is going to happen.

>>82292991
Right or wrong, this is the result of andrew going too far with time shenanigans.

say it with me everyone, THE RETCON WAS A MISTAKE

what if john used his retcon powers to travel to a comic that's not garbage

>>82293385
It's not so much Paradox Space as just the Void and the ultimate weapon. The ultimate weapon changes timelines without dooming, and the Void is eternal accross all planes of reality.
>a juju cements a timeline
All a juju does is mean that any timeline where its creation loop is violated, becomes doomed. That's it. Look at Bec Noir - he could've been made any way, but Vriska chose to engineer him directly.

>>82293453
That is a good question. I see no reason why a time-travelling Vriska - whose expertise is browbeating people - could've have got everyone to god-tier by themselves, and wouldn't have needed to create a horrible monster.

Unless that Black Hole really does lead to Caliborn's session, but then that just shifts the question sideways into the bigger one, which is
- why?
- does this happen to all Cals/LEs?
- couldn't the players hop through this and kill Cal/promote Calliope and avert all this?
- if paradox space can say "but thou must let Caliborn be a douche or you will not exist at all ever", how is caliborn not only the only character in homestuck but also not evil?

>>82293656
King Crimson's powers would simply be the powers of a Prince of Time. There's no way he'd be OP enough to do what he needed to do for the story.

>>82293667
He had to kill his sister, since only one cherub can survive.

>>82293473
I mean there were SOME surprises if you were one of those fucking idiots who didn't see Calliope destroying the Green Sun coming from a lightyear away.

>>82293684
Well obviously, you gotta show what she did after defeating Lord English.

-John gets retcon powers (point A)
-Some time passes (point B)
-John retcons to point B, two Johns now exist in the timeline, past John and future John
-Past John and future John never interact in any way
Some time passes
-Past John retcons in exactly the same way as future John did and retcons into his own body at the same point in spacetime, merging the two Johns and solving the Infinite John problem

>>82293713
Caliborn had to MERGE with his sister, becoming one, better developed person. Still fucked up, but eh that's Homestuck for ya.

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>browsing that beforus album tumblr thing
>do an actual spit take when I come across this

"It should be noted that “Let Me Dance, Let Me Glisten”, was not primarily about Porrim’s character but was actually inspired as a dedication to a Homestuck erotic cosplay community. I also had a helping hand in, which is supposed to celebrate the Homestuck “nudestuck” erotic cosplay community, a group that has always been just as much about freedom of expression and empowerment as it has been about producing erotica."

>>82293709
No, his true power is that of a Bard of Mind. It JUST WORKS so confusingly that causes your mind to be destroyed.

>>82293753
It's an excuse to watch slutty jades masturbate on cam, let's face it.

I asked BSclasspecttheory anon to analyze how a metastuck session would go

http://classpectanon.tumblr.com/post/143540463436/so-how-would-a-session-with-thief-of-space

>>82293753
Nudestuck has nothing to do with freedom

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>>82293753
They shoulda' chose some more appropriate song art

>>82293709
I've no idea what King Crimson is but he has my powers, so cool.

>>82293785
>NONE OF THE THINGS I SAY ARE CANON OR ANY SORT OF GOSPEL
Is this really something that needs to be said? I want to be mad at him, but I feel like this had to be an issue for him to have thought of putting it there.

>>82293753
Oh god
It was totally about that one fucking cosplayer who has three kids and named the latest one Eridan
I just know it

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>>82293753
https://unofficialmspafans.bandcamp.com/track/let-me-dance-let-me-glisten
its not that bad of a song really.

>>82293850
>hey everyone
>this is my son
>eri

>>82293844
Maybe to discourage people from going as nuts as they do towards BKEW.

>>82293785
/hsg/'s quest is to try to not kill himself or Andrew Hussie.

Also I fucking hate this Tumblr's classpect interpretations so much.

>>82293893
*did towards BKEW

>>82293899
>Also I fucking hate this Tumblr's classpect interpretations so much.
he comes from here originally I believe. he started namefagging only like a month or so ago, so he might have migrated from mspaf

>>82293891
>tfw someone saved your drawing

IS THIS REEL LIFE

Do you think (John) did anything important in the background?

>>82293785
>maids are pushovers and doormats
>Aradia is a creepy fuck obsessed with death
>Jane is an evil bitch obsessed with money

>>82293985
killed every gay character in the comic, then jumped back to kill himself before doing so. retcon, I ain't gotta explain shit.

did ironhallway finish that comic yet btw?

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>>82294012

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>>82294012
Part one is finished. There's apparently gonna be more.

>>82293891
This song is laughably bad and cringe-y

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Hivebent was already fucked thanks to these four assholes.

>muh speedrunning
>muh "I AM THE HERO"
>muh messiahs
>muh Feferi

>>82293891
You can tell it's the heavily autotuned voice of someone who can't sing at all but insisted on doing that instead of finding someone who can sing

>>82293891
don't evver wwalk into me or my son evver again

>>82294049
>John retconning his bullets to do more damage
Why couldn't we get shit like this in Collide? John could have probably taken out Condy all on his own if he actually used all his fucking powers.

>>82293891
>that filename
Hey, that was the joke I made.

>>82294049
Since when does John have telekinesis?

>>82294085
Thank god someone said it.

>>82294159
Look, if Void can let you drill people with bricks, Breath can let you swing a sword.

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>>82294112
>>82294085
let me rephrase that. Its not AS bad as I thought it would be.

https://unofficialmspafans.bandcamp.com/track/for-beforus
https://unofficialmspafans.bandcamp.com/track/land-of-rad-tricks-and-gnarly-odorless-things

>>82294127
Oh so that's what it's supposed to show? Fuck me, each time that continuation has been posted I've had no clue what those 3 panels were supposed to show. Hopefully it gets cleaned up slightly, one of the few comics which elicits a chuckle each time I see it.

>>82294012
When did John became the gaykiller, when it's Jade who was the one with a vested interest in things being straight

>>82294243
>When did John became the gaykiller
when HSG died

>>82294243
John "nomo homo" Egbert is not a homosexual

>>82294049
>that Eri giving thumbs up

Vvengeance is swweet

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>>82294243
because Jade is too busy being a racist to be homophobic

>>82293850
I hope they taught him to introduce himself as eri

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I just realized something.
Cherubs mate in black holes. LE and alt Calliope were sucked into a black hole. In pic related, both cherubs have tongue, cheek, and blood colors matching Caliborn and Calliope, in addition to the rainbow aura seen surrounding Lord Jack. Could Caliborn his own dad due to time shenanigans? His learning disability could be caused by inbreeding. Aradia also mentions LE's defeat is like tidying a time loop, and is later seen looking at Calliope's black hole. Was she referring to Caliborn's infinite loop of giving birth to himself? His paradoxical birth could also be what allowed him to play Sburb, despite not being created from ectobiology.

>>82294271
Racist Jade is about as canon as a hate-based meme could be. She flat-out refused the idea of romancing any trolls.

>>82293751
he can't merge with her. He'll die if he tries to merge.

>>82294326
and she left Derse to die in their scratched session

>>82294326
john hates trolls

>>82294346
>Black kingdom dedicated to destruction
>White kingdom dedicated to creation

Hussie was channelling TSO when creating the whole dreamself concept.

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>>82294324
DUDE

>>82294324
So Caliborn's retarded because he's his own father?
Seems like something Hussie would do.

>>82294049
its' beautiful!

>>82294324
Literally impossible. Caliborn's father destroyed a colony of trolls, a race currently extinct.

>>82292991
I always thought Slick didn't actually "[transport] to a highly unfavorable timeline" because the temporal energy from the vault actually destroyed everything in the alpha timeline. So it kept being the alpha, but it had become appropriately unfavorable, and in the end Slick wasn't displaced at all. Sort of a play on words; the Intermission did this sort of thing a lot ("one second per second").

>>82293509
>It's implied Vriska did it.
Wait, where?

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>>82294324
No. Caliborn didn't predominate and mature in a natural way so he doesn't have wings. No wings = doesn't have the power needed to escape gravity = that nigga dead.

>>82294435
Source?

caliborn was just a child

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>>82294482

>>82294482
Nekan and Sports Madden, who were not in the Alternian group of Sburb players spared the Vast Glub

>>82294326
>and people try to insist davejadekat is a thing

>>82294453
>I always thought Slick didn't actually "[transport] to a highly unfavorable timeline
yeah, it really comes down to that. I'm sure andrew will answer it eventually if we bring it up. he'll just say that it changed the timeline a bunch rather than literally transporting and that'll be that.

>>82294489
So this basically confirms that Karkat and Kanaya went to another world and repopulated right

>>82294524
Yes.

>>82294324
Cherubs breed *around* black holes. There's obviously symbolism at play, but literal smex isn't happening in Act 7.

(also, Lord English is effectively neutered, due to Caliborn's illegal/false predomination)

We witnessed Cal's parents rampaging through a universe with trolls in it, then mate in a normal universe, nowhere in Sburb. The Cals are special because they're not made by the game, and should never have played.

>>82294524
except condy was sending adult trolls to conquer all regions of their universe, there could have been kid trolls only planets anywhere.

who knows

>>82294524
>Karkat and Kanaya tenderly making love to each other purely to provide genetic material to the Mother Grub and repopulate their race
Nice

>>82294554
Nah, the Vast Glub would have killed them all.

>>82294554
The Vast Glub killed every troll in the universe.

>>82294324
The description of cherubs ruined everything because they're just arbitrarily introduced as the most powerful beings ever. No buildup to how they got that much power, it's just natural to them for no good reason.

>>82294554
Condy wasn't in universe C. This is universe C. That makes these trolls in Karkat's empire. Pay attention.

>>82294591
>>82294593
wait, then at what point does Hiveswap take place?

>>82294600
They're the white blood cells and viruses inhabiting the body of Bilious "Coarse Kermit Cock" Slick. Reason enough.

>>82294499
>>82294489
I forgot this.

So wait, Caliborn/Calliope were born in A2?

>>82294524
Another nail in the davekat coffin

>>82294642
see
>>82294625

>>82294600
It's so bizarre how Hussie did so well with Bec Noir, Vriska, Doc Scratch, and the Condesce, and then failed so hard on Lord English.

>>82293924
Huh. I know that Classpect discussions got banned from MSPAF for a long time before popping back up right before the entire site went down.

Anyways, here's where I differ with their interpretations:

>Tumblr (Thief of Space)

Pretty cool powers all throughout. Can't disagree with the analysis that much, though mainly that's because I think Tumblr is a tiny bit mismatched in classpect. Anyways, the character interpretation seems off. Thieves are pretty simple, they want (aspect). Meenah wants shit to happen, she likes shit happening. Vriska is Vriska. So here, Tumblr wants creation, she wants to make something of her own. She's a bit ego-centric, using her work to boost her status. She's a bit of a copycat, taking after other more successful things, making derivative fanworks to build her own reputation.

>/hsg/ (Prince of Rage)

This is where I take the most offense, mostly because Rage gets such a bad rep. Rage is all about devotion, servitude for the sake of Servitude. Not Duty like Blood, but simple determination for its own sake. A Prince of Rage would destroy out of or with Rage, potentially destroying Rage itself in the process. With regards to /hsg/, it's all about individuality. In true /co/ fashion he hates fanboyism, and yet out of his own fanboyism destroys, and still ultimately his devotion causes disappointment, destroying his own fanboyism.

1/2

>>82294663
>how Hussie did so well with
>Vriska

>>82294627
GOOD FUCKING QUESTION

>>82293104
You missed the big one that's actually a serious shitstack of genuine implications: Caliborn's defining trait right from the beginning was that he was a "bad fan" of Homestuck.

>MSPAF (Heir of Time)

They inherit Ends. Their life is literally full of dead ends (heh heh). Like Aradia, he'll be up to his ass in doomed selves. However, once he confronts and understands his own mortality he can then abuse it to hell and back, likely as classpectanon says using it to do shit like slowing down and speeding up time and the like.

>DeviantArt (Maid of Heart)

This gets very close to "Captain Planet Heart", but thankfully it never hits that so I can't critique it for that. Maids are servants in nature, they like to help, even if their work isn't appreciated (and it rarely is). In that sense, Deviantart is probably the sort to be constantly trying to help with the personal affairs of other people when they don't want to. They can likely split their soul at will, creating on the spot clones to go do shit, or as classpect anon says, create souls in a whole new Ship of Thesus dilemma.

>>82294627
Earth 1994 and the far-future New Alternia.

>>82294676
Vriska was a GOAT Written character before she met Meenah and Arena

>>82294453
>Wait, where?
With her doing her time travel recon and doing things that Gamzee did in the original timeline like making Arquiusprite.