HYW/How's Your Webcomic? #262

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Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag

Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:

>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/

>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV

>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'starlinemike' or 'scribblehatch' and they'll add you in.

>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qby0ed4aVpo

>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf

>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/

>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf

fuck comics, no one is going to make it.

>>82218554
>video arts claimed the John Cleese video again
MOTHERFUCKER. HOW MANY TIMES.
https://vimeo.com/89936101

When's a good time to start a Patreon? How many regular viewers should you be pulling? Should you just have one going from day 0?

>>82218604
false. I will do it. believe in me guys.

>>82218668
Build up some water pressure first.

And make sure when you open your patreon there's some sorta countdown for it the days before.

It's the kinda thing where it hurts you if you start it too soon.

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>>82218668
start from day 0. disregard what viewers say. just remember when you're doing the goals/rewards, try to think of how to milk the readers for as much money as you can.

>>82218739
(You)

>>82218706
How much water pressure do you think would be enough?

>>82218834
I dunno. That depends.

Use your judgement. Lurk other patreons and see what's up.

If you're going "Hm." It's probably too soon. "Hmmmmmmmm." Perhaps. "Hmmhmm~!" Is probably a good time to start one.

>>82218889
what the fuck kind of a system is this. are you a woman?

>>82218901
>overtly judgmental sexist remark
are you a man?

>>82218901
>>82218970
ladies please

>>82218901
If anything these are the noises you make when you stroke a BEARD, you jackass.

>>82219134
the women here probably have beards

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>>82219159
he can't keep getting away with it

>>82218901
>>82219159
this thread is like half women... it's just the dudes who talk the most.

How many iterations of your characters have you guys gone through? I've got a story down, but I still can't get a few character designs down.

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Here's a 5-minute warm up I just whipped up expressing my feelings about these last few HYW threads. I'd enjoy the drama if it didn't go round in circles.

Anyway, can we talk about writing? Which is harder, drawing the comic or writing? Who's your favorite writer or greatest inspiration, why? Share stuff about your writing process and story structuring. What are you good/bad at writing? What's good writing and are you a good writer? Anything writing and story related (if you want, obviously).

I'm super interested about all this, since I'm mainly just writing my occult detective comic at the moment.

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yay, costumes! This used to be like my favorite thing in cartoons, and doubly so in toys if they were removable.
also featuring:
>Creative use of powers though i swear Hel has used sailormoonesque disguise power before, i couldn't find the comic where it was used.. so this is a potential continuity error! but i could easily say she forgot too
>delicious brown!
>bad puns!
>really bad word bubble placement that i hope isn't that confusing
and a not-cameo-but-instead-more-of-an-homage to Green Knight

>>82219756
When thinking about writing I always harken back to the melodramatic epics of the 50's, which basicaly means that I'm looking to make the characters as human as possible so it balances with the scope, another big source is Shakespeare, it's really fucking annoying how people write Shakespeare parodies and just make the characters speak long drawn-out lines with ye olde english writing, it's most definately not that, but I digress, writing is actually pretty fun when it doesn't feel like you're putting together a jigsaw puzzle while riding a rollercoaster.

As for drawing I always underestimate my own ability to the point I'm half scared of trying anything, even though in the event which I might produce something I act all cocky about it, either way I'm still a long long way there, coloring, shading, atmosphere, detailed anatomy, realistic drawing, I have so little actual grasp of that it's embarassing, at least so it seems to me until I do produce something.

>>82219615
a few. one thing i find works is to try redrawing them from memory, not paying attention to past drawings... then compare. whatever's consistent must be pretty important to them.
and every so often check in on the factual stuff. like.. how old should this person be in order to be X? i had a character who was almost redundant as fuck til i remembered her established age and started drawing her older

>>82219615
Design-wise not that many, since I usually pretty much go with the first and simplest design that comes to my mind, but the characters themselves and their personalities, story lines and all that, switch constantly.

>>82219756
good writing is so far beyond me i cant even think about doing it instead of just improvising stupid shit as I go
but I can sure recognize it when I read it! and then usually people point clever things out to me and it's even cleverer. if I could write like Jason Shiga someday I'd feel pretty great. he did a comic once about LIBRARY POLICE set in the 80s, and somehow instead of being dry and boring as fuck, it was amazing. it made me interested in shit i knew absolutely nothing about.

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Here's a stupid drawing challenge.

Draw a character of yours about to be fired from May's cannon. Dialog optional.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By2svwXNeV8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By2svwXNeV8

>invented own alphabet for an in-story language that won't actually be used or relevant
How much absolutely extraneous bullshit backstory nonsense do you guys have

>>82219615
When designing my characters I always had in mind what I wanted it to look like, ''big guy'',''protagonist'',''cute waifu'', that sort of thing, basicaly making everyone vastly different from each other, and from there I would just work references and homages into an original design, one thing to mention is that I never liked ''belts,shoulder armor, detailed jackets and pants, flashy chainmails and accessories everywhere'' because it's literally throwing things on the wall and seeing what sticks, it never looks good.

>>82218834
Just introduce a fuckable girl and tell the guys that the patreon will have porn, thats the easiest way

>>82220236
huh. drawing someone inside a cannon WOULD be a challenge. how would you even?
>>82220251
none, my characters always find an opportunity to nerd out about it and explain it thoroughly to the audience. though I do sometimes think about what kind of crazy shit went on in ancient times in this setting.

>>82220251
I know the names of all the fictional metals that I won't be explaining. The favorite being 'Atlasium' which is the black mesh metal that's used in prosthetic hands to grip things safely without scratching or crushing them.

It's all foundation, and if time were an unlimited resource, I'd recommend doing this kinda stuff as much as possible.

>>82220412
Or being freshly fired from the cannon!

Whatever works. There's just gotta be a cannon.

>>82220049
Honestly, I've never read Shakespeare, and that's probably because of all the parodies. They make it seem s boring and outdated, that I just can't get myself to dive in to his stuff.

And about your skills, you can cut corners and get around the obstacles with a well-constructed visual style. For example, I'm not a colorist nor do I want to be, so I'm at least trying to fool people with simple. but pleasing color palette's, textures and and large black shadows and all that. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but I'm working on it constantly.

You don't have to be perfect, just make your style work and make it consistent.

>>82220413
yeah, people already gave you enough shit for the early backstory exposition, i doubt theyd be into further lore. I would! but i'm a huge nerd

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>>82220377
I've introduced one girl and tried to make her as unfuckable as possible and everyone keeps wanting to have sex with her anyway.

She's a soulless hologram it doesn't even make sense.

>>82220681
what shakespeare really needs is to have a superclever modern wordsmith translate it into modern english that still has the super witty sound to it.. because it has to sound like the best wordy mcwordenstein in the world wrote it, but it helps if you can fucking understand it

i mean at the time it was like 'holy shit this guy wrote new words that work in english, yet we know what they mean because they use sensible word roots we're familiar with since we speak french in our business lives. we have new words we can actually USE IN ENGLISH now'
the closest i can think of to that is homestarrunner or classic simpsons

>>82220708
dude
she's blue
she has cute hair
she sounds like she wouldnt play a bunch of mind games with you
that sounds like it backfired hard

>>82220708
Well there is people who have fantasies about becoming diapers and being shat on, if you want money fast you can always turn to porn or at least hint at it just to make people more desperate

>>82220708
The idea of fucking the unfuckable is also a turn on for many people. My neighbor is this super fat 18-year-old girl, who's totally not my type, but every time I listen to her and her boyfriend having sex through the air vent, I wish I was there.

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>>82220768
She's double fake though! In the source she's a soulless chatbot! I don't understand. I've gotten dozens of messages trying to suggest more lewdness about her.

>>82220805
>>82220912
this got really weird really fast

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>>82219756
>Can we talk about writing?
I'm up for it. But I might pass out and come back to this tomorrow. This is Brian, I writer thesisters-comic.com, and I review stuff.
>Which is harder, drawing the comic or writing?
My artist and I used to debate this, but it isn't really worth pursuing. Story without art can still work (but you'd be better off not making it a comic), art without story can be far more meandering. Both have their challenges.
>Favorite Writer/Greatest Inspiration, and Why?
I personally love Robert E. Howard and back when I used to do short stories, I tried to emulate his style of pulp prose. I also had a Steinbeck phase during which I produced my best quality work, but that's long gone by now. I just liked how both men wrote the world and masculinity and emotion. There was a depth to it you don't generally find nowadays.
>Writing Process/Story Structure.
I outline what needs to be written about, wank, go for a long walk and listen to a podcast. While my everything is on auto-pilot my mind is able to work out what needs doing for the script proper and as soon as I get back home I bust out a couple dozen pages. I find my quality is better when I have an enemy I'm working against in real life, oddly enough. Concerning story structure, I think in terms of television and interlinking episodes. Breadcrumbs are important.
>Good/Bad at writing.
I can't write sex anymore. I wrote smut for a bit and made decent money but after a bad break-up with someone I collaborated with a ton I lost the ability to do it. I'd say I'm pretty good at writing people, warts and all; sadly my artist dislikes slower pacing at points and it sometimes loses its time to shine. The last update was supposed to be a mostly Beatrice/Jam scene, but that all got put on one page. And the coming update cut a montage the artist personally told me to add.

I'll fully admit I'm a slice of life/drama writer with an action/goofy artist.

>>82220953
think about it
who's given you by far the most ladyattention in your life? offered you love and affection and interest, constantly showing up in your IM and talking to you, sending you messages about how she's so happy to see you and here's a URL to her private cam show?
soulless fucking chatbots.
i can't be the only one who has strung them along, trying to see how long it can stay believable.. trying to fool myself just a little.. right?
it works better with russian mail order bride scam e-mails, but they stopped e-mailing me..

>>82220979
>What's good writing?
Logical coherency and cohesion. Characters who act like people and who have problems people have. Not so much "I gotta avenge my dead friend" but "how I react so poorly now that he's gone." Varied perspective, none of which are necessarily invalid.

Characters of diversity who are human first and foremost. I'm a brown faggot, those are the things that define me least. I constantly fall off cliffs, I own a coffee machine I dredged out of the swamp, I've had my dick lit on fire, I get into fist fights because it makes me feel a catharsis. Diverse characters are people first and foremost and people are weird and have bad shit all over them. Those who define themselves only by their color, situation of gender, or who they fuck aren't the people you should write about as they're very two-dimensional.

>Are you a good writer?
That's a bag of worms question. I'd say I'm better than some. Confidence in myself concerning the quality of my work as judged by others would only make me complacent and unwilling to expand, adapt, and evolve.

>Occult detective comic.
Are there any better examples of this beyond Constantine and Dresden? I know I've looked a bunch of them over, but they do often blend together. Which is a shame because occultism is such a varied field. We're sticking to Americana/Native Stuff and Satanism for the most part with the Sisters, simply to avoid the wider world issue.

>Other writing topics.
I've found a lot of people don't read books anymore. That's a shame. You can't write if you don't read. What is the last book you read? I had to read a couple books on wacko-smacko unified theology and serial killers lately for job stuff.

>>82220979
it's like The Cheat had a baby with the four giants from Mujura's Mask and asked Quentin Blake to draw his portrait

>>82220979
well it works. maybe that's a good bit of advice. let's face it, action artists who do their own action writing often... make a big messy pile of action and forget to add depth
whereas drama artists who are drama writers forget to do anything interesting

>>82220953
anon where do you think you are?

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>>82221064
Yeah. The Pukwudgies will be around for some of our second story arc which takes place during the Summer; our current arc taking place around the spring.

>>82221093
He did try to do the Sisters without me once. It wasn't pretty. I was the punch-up writer for it because I was his bro and editor; and he liked my production bible ideas for it. So it was salvaged. Pretty much the entire cast beyond the girls is me. Though Erin, Beatrice and Jam's personalities are all radically shifted from how he had them (Beatrice was more of a snarker rather than damaged, Jam was more generic rather than a disillusioned teen with awesome powers, and Erin was very flat rather than the kind of person who finds out her boyfriend is evil and opts to fuck/murder him.).

We've hit up a nice balance. We could always do better and we always strive to.

>>82218739
Dude makes it sound like Patreon molested him or something...

>>82221611
>$2,000 dollar a month so he can upgrade his computer
his expectations were so far from reality that when it sank in the resulting shock rivals that of being molested.

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Anyone else inking tonight?
http://taleofjaspergold.tumblr.com

>working on sketching out MC facial expressions
>fuck up
>ctrl+z
>nothing happens

I need to get used to working with pencil and paper again. Fuck.

>>82221898
What do you do if you make a mistake?

Aside from "Don't."

>>82221898
>Actual brushes
it amazes me people still use these after the invention of the fountain pen allowing for pressure-sensitive lines. it'd be like trying to draw with my forearm replaced with a length of rope. there can't possibly be any real feedback with that thing

>>82222066
Just don't. Also checked.
But seriously, just use some white-out. Deleter/Copic is best I hear. Currently trying to go through my PH Martin brand.

>>82222108
I have a few fountain pens, and those don't give me any pressured lines. What brand are you talking about? I also have a few dip pens for smaller details.

>>82219988

ABSOLUTELLY ADORABLE!

Those disguises in general is really fun, I ESPECIALY like "Dark Robin"; simplicity at it's best!

>>82222298
i mean, isnt that what calligraphers use? those oldtimey weird pens with the metal tip that has a line with a circle on one end like the things in a cat bell... i know there are pens that vary the thickness of their lines

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>>82222394
Calligraphers and artists alike. I mean, at the end of the day you're just putting black marks on to paper/digital files to represent linework and express your visual story.

It's just preference. I use a brush because that's how a lot of artists that influenced me used, so I wanted to learn through their methods.

>>82222334
I'm glad. I was worried she was kind of a cop-out, or color-redundant with the still-unnamed (gotta think of a perfect pun) SS-sea-urchin-lagoon-whatever thing Kaen has going on
but i realized that although she could (maybe) doppelganger someone perfectly, there'd be no visual cue that it was still her.. and that'd be boring. Hel pushes that hard enough.

I wonder how long he's been dragging that sword around.. frogmen in my setting are pretty weak and not good for much. and this is the only one so far that doesn't speak broken english

>>82222496
It's sad to see you care so much about something no one else really cares about. How's that comic doing?

>>82222564
>care so much about something no one else really cares about
heh, that basically describes like 90 percent of what I do
>How's that comic doing?
trying to wrap it up. have a decently satisfying final boss idea. and that bar is set pretty high given the previous two major boss events involved an ancient unsealed protofairy that wants to tear down the barriers between dimensions, and then a regrown-starfish-arm of the same guy trying to erase all of time so that he was never born.

>>82222636
so your comic is how you deal with the crushing hopelessness of reality?

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>>82220236

>>82222655
what? I didn't say that
I mean it's true, but.. most of the hopelessness of reality is 'i can't just spend all day drawing', so

>>82222108
You can get a much larger variety of line thicknesses with a brush. Dip pens are great, but there's nothing QUITE like a brush.

>>82222722
why can't you just spend all day drawing?

>>82222748
Closest thing to a brush thickness with a dip pen would probably be those Japanese "G" pens. Those are fantastic.

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what a good way to end this sketch with a little chuckle & some gaffs before bed

>>82218604
haha once again your plan has been foiled by my sonic oc sprite comic nice try dumbass

>>82222822
Back before I switched entirely to digital I imported those for my inking. They're pretty great. I used them for YEARS before I switched over to brushes, then within the last year or so to digital.

>>82222811
not good enough to do it for a living. and until recently i really didnt have the endurance for it either, i'd burn out after a while.

>>82222904
why don't you get good enough to do it for a living, so you can do it all day?

>>82222934
Unfortunately it's not just about quality. Luck and time are also huge factors in "making it" as an artist. Webcomics usually have to be around for a little while before they pick up steam, or they have to get lucky and find that one group of individuals who will share the crap out of them and make them big.

>>82222954
no wonder no one here makes it, considering that loser attitude.

>muh luck
>muh timing
>muh rationalizations

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>>82220272
>>82220134
I've been drawing several iterations of my MC, and I think I've finally got something down that I like.

>>82220079
I did what you suggested, at least with the drawing from memory and comparing, and I think it really helped. Thanks!

>>82222934
because until recently i didn't have the endurance for it, making it an unwise pursuit
not that anything could make it a wise pursuit, as >>82222954 points out. I constantly swing between "it's a good thing i never tried to make this my life, i obviously can't get good enough" and "maybe if i had known how good i'd become, it would have seemed worth it before"

for now though it's just a compulsion

>>82223160
how come you have so little faith in yourself?

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sup /hyw/ hows your night tonight

>>82223427
considering suicide

>>82223472
Then do it, faggot

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>>82220251
Fucking zero. I don't have time, brains or interest for that sorta things. I'm keeping backstory as minimal as possible. Many times when watching/reading something I find myself annoyed by how much people are tied to the past, I mean, we're living in the present so please could they act like it. And that language thing, it's cool I guess, but really, what is good for? If I read a comic, and I can't really understand what they say, I'll just skip the text and just look at the pictures, so..
>>82221898
I admire the old school methods, and I'd use them myself, but my hands are too shaky. But if digital inking counts, then yes, I'm inking tonight.
>>82223102
That's neat. Pretty basic-looking western manga character, but I like simple. What's the story about?
>>82223427
Tonight? It's morning. And it's been pretty great. Made a freaky looking mind map on my living room wall to sort out my story lines and all that. I guess there's computer programs for that too, but, oh well.
>>82223472
Decided yet?

>>82223892
I try to keep it basic, at least for the MC and the party that surrounds her. Essentially, the MC and her party are recruited to take down a demon king who's been taking over the nation they live in quite rapidly.

Thing is, while the party is formed of amazing fighters and magic users, they all have odd quirks that usually end up screwing them over: MC is an elemental martial artist who was taken in by her teacher when she was 6, so she knows nothing about the current state of the world now that she's out in it, at 19 years old. The swordsman of the party is a cocky dick who isn't ashamed to play up the fact that he's the hero; the healer is utterly and completely devoted to the swordsman, essentially having gone yandere for him; the shield knight rounds out the party, being the sane man of the group, but always ends up reacting to their antics instead of fighting.

tl;dr borderline autists have to kill a hypercompetent but lazy demon king

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>>82219756
>Which is harder, drawing the comic or writing?

Well, if we're to measure in in the amount of time each takes, I write a chapter in the time it takes me to make a TWO pages

But they're two completelly different skills; I'd say it's been harder for me to improve my writting since that's the one it's harder to also get criticism for. When I post a page here anyone can look at it and tell me where I fucked up the anatomy or lighting; but only someone who'd read throught the whole thing can tell me where the writing problems are

>Who's your favorite writer or greatest inspiration, why?

Hard to pinpoint a single one, but I think my biggest inspiration was Dave Sim's Cerebus the Aardvark. I think it's the greatest High Fantasy epic ever put in comic form and I find it amazing how the author juggled with different tones and genres through it all; it's why I also want to try something different from Monster of the Week for a bit once my first arc is finished.

Hell, Richard and Gwanwyn's design take a SLIGHT bit of inspiration from Cerebus and the Elf; other inspirations include Bone, Usagi Yojimbo, Mouse Guard, and Hellboy

>Share stuff about your writing process and story structuring.

I actually start with the chapter layouts and then write the dialogues once those are finished; I think it helps me a ton with the pacing since it makes me able to tell whether a scene is going on for too long or going too quickly

>>82220272
Yeah, one of the most important things in character design is their silhouette; the audience should ideally be able to tell who's who from just that (prefferably not only thanks to the hairstyle, unless that's the intention)

>>82220236
That's a drawthread request, not a legitimate /hyw/ post. Try again.

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anyone else into card type panels ?
i love how the old school take looks in modern day and im pretty sure it will be my approach

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>>82224467

>>82220236
>>82225126
who is scribblehatch?
why do they get their own well made card?

what they do

>>82219756
Writing is harder, but it's still pretty easy for me because it's so fun.
My favorite writers are the venture bros guys and the guy who made Giant Days.
Usually these days I make a plot out line and write a page that covers one or two of those points. Though, sometimes a page just doesn't cover any (like the latest page I finished) mainly because I think of a good gag and just roll with it or just wanna have two characters interacting.
I'm good at writing about character, but I'm bad at writing about settings and locations.
I think good writing has good characters that you want to know more about or just want to see them do there usual thing and they help move the plot along.
I think I do a pretty good job at this.

>>82222108
Brushes have one huge advantage over pens- they're way faster, since they don't grip to the page and can hold may more ink. Once you got enough of a hang on how to handle the line thickness inking with a brush becomes about ten times faster than with a dip pen.

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Bump.
Final image still feels too wordy and not punchy.
Writing is hard you guys.

Is there a list of all the /hyw/ comics that are currently being posted/talked about? The link in the OP is really out of date.

>>82225342
He's the hero hyw deserves, but not the one it needs

>>82227154
Nah, nobody can be bothered to maintain it.

>>82227154
Honey, the only thing talked around here is bullshit. This isn't a web comic community anymore, this is high school and we are all failing hard.

>>82227388
I can do it. Post your webcomic name and address as a reply to this post and I will build a catalog.

>>82227052
It's a bit tough to read, due the hand written dialogue. Ever considered using an actual font? I'm one those people who stop reading if the reading gets too hard. Call me lazy, but I think the reading experience should be as effortless to the reader as possible.

>>82227548
To be fair, CGGuy's final pages tend to have a much cleaner font once he replaces the placeholder

>>82227548
I've considered it, but I feel like using hand lettering is placing me in a position where there's less barriers to actually using the letters to make a point because it's no more effort to do special stuff than to do normal stuff. I might change to a font of my own design once I've become more comfortable with using hand lettering.

I wouldn't be able to use most commercial fonts anyway, due to needing nonstandard letters like Ð, Æ, Ö.

>>82227052
I think it might be funnier to have the duel drag on for "like, _an hour_".
"Half an hour" doesn't seem like a long enough amount of time, plus "an hour" is more concise. If the dialogue sounds sarcastic enough, it'll come across as an exaggeration, rather than literal.

P4 suggestion:
- Oh good, I thought I'd forgotten the board games.
- ... The what?
- Well, it's either "Fox & Geese" or watching these two idiots messing around/wasting time.
- Want a go after I trounce Kara?
- As if!

>>82227489

How do you decide if a webcomic's current, though? Ah well

Ah well. Off the top of my head;

West Tree Academy of Heroes - greenknightcomic.com

The Green Knight - greenknightcomic.com

The Sisters - thesisters-comic.com

Carrion Girls - carriongirls.webcomic.ws

Chaos in the Tropics - chaosinthetropics.com

Experience the magic of the legend - favouritecrayon.co.uk/chapter/etmotl/

>>82227214
That has always been the worst quote from the movie.

>>82227847
All good points, thanks.

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>>82219615
It think I went through like three or four different characters/iterations before I got to Oliver for Star Valley (originally Luke was gonna be in Oliver's place, but that made everything seem too abrasive/off balance considering he would've been surrounded by three teens of various angst levels.)

Adelaide, Bryson, and Marsha took the least amount of time, which is probably why Oliver took the most - he had to be able to balance out the vibes of the other three while also being a whole character himself. I literally made love me like an autograph to figure out how to write him.

Oliver's band changed a lot though - originally they were all a few years older than him and treated him like a kid brother, like abrasive cool dudes that Oliver wasn't sure he fit in with because he couldn't tell if they "actually" liked him or not. Also, Oliver used to be the bassist. Pic related, from 2013... maybe like the second time I drew any of em.

Thanks for this opportunity to write these three horrible paragraphs about me.

>>82227489
Ennui GO! - ennuigo.smackjeeves.com

Hey co, can I test an idea out on you guys? I'm brainstorming a sort of hero rising story, where the main character wants to become like the super heros he admires, but is pretty weak and doesn't know how to fight, one day he aquires a book of heros, which will alllow him to turn into various heros, sort of like ben10 and his aliens or change 123. When in a hero body he suddenly knows how to fight and perform heroic actions, sort of like he doesnt know how but the hero body does type situation.

Eventually i would like him to be able to save his hide without having to rely on the heros all the time, but would that make them obsolete? If the main character learns how to fight himself.

Also does anyone know a webcomic with good story, but bad art? I was told recently i need to practice art some more, but i also want to try making comics, even if the art quality isn't super amazing.

Maybe i can make up for the bad quality art with some witty humor and jokes. Or good character scenes.

>>82227856
>West Tree Academy of Heroes - greenknightcomic.com
>The Green Knight - greenknightcomic.com
Prfffffftttpp

It's an improvement over reality though.

>>82229555
Well, he still wouldn't have superpowers without the book, so I think it'd be fine.
In addition, if he ever did reach a level where he didn't need the book anymore, that could be a really good climax. Like, the final villain steals the book and uses it against the hero, but still loses.

I've read a few webcomics where the art wasn't all that but the story made up for it. Like "A Miracle Of Science".

>>82227489
The Arm thearm.webcomic.ws
Recently returned to work.

>>82229555
Not my cup of tea from the sound of it.

Also if your art skills are weak picking a genre that revolves around figures in motion might be a poor choice. Additionally, please make sure you have an actual story before you start. It sounds obvious, but a lot of people start without one.

>>82229555
Sounds pretty basic and with a new, unique twist this could be really good. The art thing's a problem, though. The reason I don't have any examples of good story/bad art comics is because I simply won't read a comic with bad art and many other people won't.

Anyway, about the story, the guy can learn how to fight, but he'll never have powers of his own, and that's why he needs the book. Also, maybe his self-doubt makes him feel dependency on the book, even if he didn't really need it, at least not every time. Maybe he has a goal outside the superheroing, something that he needs specific powers for. Just make up ways to keep him dependent on the book. There's always something, some goal that he can't reach without the book.

>>82227489
Miss-melee.com
Monsterousmimi.com

>>82227489
Decompressed - http://decompressed-comic.tumblr.com/

>>82229943
>>82230016

Hmmm yeah I really should work on my art more, shame all my ideas are these good versus evil action type stories. Otherwise i would have thought up something else. Plus my writing isnt super strong either, so i cant really rely on that.

Maybe I should look into the original one punch man comic, i think that has art thats pretty subpar, compared to the manga version and the anime that came out rcently.

>>82227154
Isn't the point of the current list that anyone can add their stuff into it? How can it be out of date?

>>82229555
Your hook is basically certain specific versions of Dial H/H.E.R.O., like the China Mieville run. Your intended arc is one of the most common arcs in fiction.

That's not a bad thing, people love underdogs, but your idea is underdeveloped. In addition you're tossing up red flags by asking if "bad art is okay", indicating that you're going to make a comic in spite of your art instead of using it as a learning experience. Between that and the fact that you want to add humor for the audience's sake instead of your own inclination, it sounds like you want to make a career out of this.

You're too green and unambitious to make that happen right now. If you're making a story for profit instead of for yourself this early, take a step back and examine yourself as a writer. Try thinking about if you really have anything to say, if you really think comics are the right format for you, and if you're cut out for this if you're already settling for less instead of challenging yourself.

>>82230182
There's a lot of people on the list that don't post here anymore, and even some that have dropped completely off the face of the earth.

>>82230205

Actually I plan to use this comic as an opportunity to learn, since I know I won't be making a profit out of it. Plus the hero and humor stuff is also because I like those types of stories.

I don't really have a deep message or anything to say, i just want to draw hero and villain type characters, and just have some fun drawing.

>>82230205
lol

>>82230085
Yeah, do that and write whatever it is you write the best. Though, sometimes going outside your comfort zone can be very inspiring experience. You have a very specific genre and setting that we've unfortunately seen a gazillion times and if the writing is very so-so, there's going to be issues.

Maybe I'm not the best person to talk about all this since I'm generally not really into the type of stories you're making. I usually write more darker, not so action-heavy and more bad versus worse kinda stories.

>>82230327
In that case I apologize, I completely misjudged your post. There's nothing wrong with just having fun with your own story.

I would like to advise, however, that it's good to try and establish themes for your stories even if you don't have anything "deep" to say. An effective writer has more going on than surface level details, so the more you grapple with that the more fulfilling your writing will be.

It's okay to just... not, if you're just having fun, though.

>>82230379
What are we laughing at now? Is there more namefag drama going on again?

>>82227489
sad habits
www.sadhabits.com

>>82230474
There probably is.

Let us all drink at separate water fountains just to be sure.

>>82230252
Oh, I didn't realise it was a thing for regulars, I thought you could just drop your plug there and never come back

>>82230759
Well, you can, but that makes it not really suited for >>82227154 's purposes.

>>82230628
Good job man, keep making those asinine comparisons to talk about how /hyw/ is so shit now, Scribblehatch will lick your asshole for sure now.

>>82231016
First off, you said "now" twice in one sentence.
Second, don't just refer to rimjobs like some upgraded version of a blowjob. It just makes you look like a middleschool edgelord. Keep it grounded.
Third, what the fuck are you on about you stupid ponce?

>>82229943
>please make sure you have an actual story before you start. It sounds obvious, but a lot of people start without one.

An excuse to link to this cautionary tale from Boulet:

http://english.bouletcorp.com/2005/01/07/bears-penguins/

how do you find the courage to keep drawing when you know no one's going to read it?

>>82231350
>>please make sure you have an actual story before you start. It sounds obvious, but a lot of people start without one.
This is so important

>>82231511
Well, assuming you're trying to improve and not sitting in an artistic rut, then drawing = practise

If you keep practising, eventually you will be good enough for people to take notice

That's my theory anyway

>>82231685
some people just can't draw tho

>>82227052
Figure it can't hurt to ask you guys for ideas.

After thinking about it, I really don't like that black hair is using the word "hour" because that's not how people thought about time in the viking age - they'd refer to times of day by the position of the sun in the sky, rather than having the day subdivided into equal segments of time.
But I just can't figure out how to make that work in dialogue - I could have her say "they'll keep going until midday" but the reader doesn't have any idea how long that is. I could suggest the position of the sun using the length of the shadows or by just having the sun in the background, but at best I could expect the reader to go "I guess it's not noon since it looks summery and the sun's not straight overhead" which makes her statement mean anything from 1 to 8 hours.
God, this is the stupidest thing to get hung up on.

>>82231511
If nobody reads it, you've still gained valuable experience.
Honestly, I find the idea that someone reads it a lot more scary.

>>82231770
Yeah, but if you have the mental faculties to compose a post, the visual acuity to read text on a screen and the manual dexterity to use a keyboard, you're probably not one of them.

>>82231907
yes, trim away the weak fat in these threads my man

>>82227548
>Every few threads
that isn't the final text!
cant blame em though, i dont know anyone else who puts in messy unreadable placeholder text and expects people to be able to understand their WIPs. most people just leave them typed out and add them in in one go, in their final look.

>>82230628
i peed in yours

>>82231350
shit i'd read it as-is. i'd wait for the story to show up
i think that's why tenchi changed my life so hard. the rigid need for a constant story went out the window. you could have just some shit happen, you could have a continuous story happen that takes more than one episode to finish, you could make one episode inexplicably longer than the others just so people could dick around and then have something surprising happen at the end..
then I found out it was originally on video, and it made sense

>>82231511
didn't stop van Gogh

>>82231511
You gotta hang out with people of similar skill or you won't make it. There is a social aspect to this job, it's hard if you do it as a shut in

>>82231826
how important is it for the amount-of-time to be known? obviously it couldnt have been that important for them if they didnt use hours. the reader will understand 'a while'

>>82232119
or those mofos painting mammoths on caves. they had to wait such a long amount of time for anyone to see 'em again that nobody can agree on how long it was and they have to resort to a bunch of bullshit.
and theyre beautiful! i'm still inspired by dem short-leggy ellyfants. as is monster hunter, i think. gammut totally has those proportions
and to think they were probably just the equivalent of stamping a skull on your plane so everyone knew how many nazis you killed.

>>82231826
"They both die after beating around the bush all morning".

Alternatively: "They both die after spending the whole morning just fucking around."

Or all afternoon. It's an arbitrary, but long, period of time, easily filled with board games.

>>82231826
>I really don't like that black hair is using the word "hour" because that's not how people thought about time in the viking age

Heh, you have no idea how many times I wrote "wait a minute" in the script before realizing my characters don't know what a "minute" is.

>I could have her say "they'll keep going until midday" but the reader doesn't have any idea how long that is

The fact that she's exasperated and has time to play a board game indicates it's a long time, don't worry about it. The reader doesn't need to know the exact amount of time, they just need to know it's long and boring; you're thinking too hard about it.

>>82231511
You make it so good everyone will want to read it

>>82232524
eh that one's okay, minute is a word root.. a minute amount of time! it translates

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>>82219988
Cute! here you have.

considering how retardedly well assigned male is doing, is controversial subjects an easy cash in?

should I write a web comic about a cuck? I've been NTRed so many times in my life I have a wealth of inspiration.

>>82232014
In my defense, I was in a bit of a rush because I had to bump the thread. Else I'd have remembered to transcribe it in the post.

>>82232190
Two duellists beating around the bush "for a while" feels really different to "for like, an hour" - "a while" adjusts itself to the context of the activity so "a while" describing a duel is a lot shorter than "a while" describing time spent fishing.

>>82232333
That seems way too long, on the other hand. "all morning" feels so far removed from the time frame of a fight that it doesn't even work as a funny exaggeration.

>>82232524
>time to play a board game indicates it's a long time, don't worry about it.
But I need to set up the length of time as being long enough to play a board game before introducing the idea that she's actually gonna spend it playing board games. Otherwise there's not much of a joke.

Maybe if I restructure the joke a bit so she goes "a while" before the final panel reveals that she means "a while" on a different scale than Skeggöld (and the audience) thought she was and she actually has enough time to play board games?

>>82232812
holy shit the cutest Hel! I've never before been so glad I started drawing her hair all melty-petaly instead of its original shaggy edges. because look how cute that is!!
what do I credit you as? Not immediately recognizing ya

>>82232834
No.
You're not part of the right circles, and nobody cares about cuckoldry.

>>82233076
>and nobody cares about cuckoldry.
I do. And he does.

I feel like you're an SJW.

>>82232918
"Oh, they both die eventually, but we're going to be here for a while".

My thinking was "all morning" could be read as hyperbole/sarcasm rather than literal.

>>82233234
oh fuck off, it's just a stupid fetish. there's literally nothing interesting to be done there.

>>82233656
It means more than that these days.

>>82233683
>these days
what, just because everyone memes cuck at everything now?

>>82233712
See this is why I called you an SJW.

I'm getting a dishonest radiation from you.

>>82233234
Has cuckoldry ever dominated the news?
Influenced politics? Been the hot topic of internet phenomenah? Does anyone campaign about representation of cuckolds in media?
Nobody cares about it.

>>82233748
i just don't get why you guys think writing a comic about a cuck is a great idea. people hate looking at ugly things like that. just look at any time NTR is posted anywhere.

why would anyone want to read that comic?

>>82233933
>Does anyone campaign about representation of cuckolds in media?

we're victims too, but unlike transgendered folk, at the end of the day we're laughed at and shamed for the misfortune that befalls us.

and the greatest tragedy is that no one cares. there's a profound loneliness in being a beta male in modern society that I want to capture.

>>82233748
Dude, you are departing from Good Form. You need to re-read Plato's Republic and rekindle your understanding.

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>>82218537
>Friend asks me when the next chapter comes out
>SOON(TM)
>Upload it a few days later
>"YOU MOTHERFUCKER IT WAS A FILLER EPISODE!"
>lol
>"so when does the next one come out?"
I wish I could see the reactions on peoples faces while reading it, sometimes.
Also, you guys wouldn't happen to have a handy dandy guide on drawing clothes, would you?
I feel like I could use one.

>>82234084
well that's a horse of a different color dude
if you want to make a comic about a nice guy that cant catch a break, but instead of the story just wallowing in it or mocking him, it actually makes some progress and makes people think about the real problems in real life.. then that's great. go for it.
but the original bit of conversation here was 'should i do a hotbutton meme topic so i can get lots of buzz and clicks'

>>82234086
Epicly put my /b/rother.

Shoop da woop, the game and pool's closed.

VOTE! (but not for your own comic)

http://www.strawpoll.me/10057846

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>>82234191
simply ebin

>>82233933
Cuck has been transformed, whether you like it or not, into a term much like 'defeatist'. People who let others trample over legitimacy just to perhaps get some favor for themselves amongst the tramplers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfqAkUXKT5Y

>>82234084
So another whomp but more pathetic?

>>82234143
it feels good when people are into your shit doesnt it
uhh http://www.slideshare.net/YovieSopiandi/how-to-draw-manga-vol-1-compiling-characters?related=1 check the related ones here.. i know there's one dedicated entirely to clothing and folds, i just can't find it. i thought i had it saved but that file is blank..

>>82234084
He wasn't asking if it was a subject that deserved to be covered, he was asking if it would be ez mode controversybucks to make a comic about it.
It won't.

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Another week, another sham of a page I manage to crap out. Looking at it now I hadn't realized that the railing for the stair would barely reach their knees once they got up. Live and learn, I guess?
>>82227489
Knockdown Bitches
http://knockdownbitches.tumblr.com/
Proudly shitting out a page once a week until I eventually git gud at it, or more likely die.

>>82234228
Ecks Dee!

Hey here is a video about the large hadron collider.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

I'm just kidding that was a video about something else.

>>82234295
is there an intentional parallel in the first two panels, with the posing?

>>82234191
That's almost as outdated as calling people you don't like SJWs, Scribble.

>>82234373
That video is older than tumblr so I really don't think so.

>>82234191
Nobody's ever going to let you live that down if you keep responding when they bring it up.

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>>82234325
Well put my fellow aged man who has spent a considerable portion of his life on picture forums. I see you too are well versed in ancient memery

>>82233285
Yeah I guess that could work.
Ugh. I shouldn't be thinking about this kind of basic stuff so close to my deadline.
Maybe I'll just upload a picture of Skeggöld playing with a cat or something.

>>82234431
Hey anon.

STROKIN MY HARBL

>>82234474
i wish i had established that as a practice early on. i'd love to have 'eh i drew a thing' updates. but it's way too late now

>>82234532
If I politely ask you to stop shitposting, would you graciously consider it?

>>82234557
You're replying to someone else now.

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>>82234290
holy shit, how didn't I think of this before?

>>82234605
because you're either dumb or fat

>>82234605
That's a good question.

Why didn't you?

Have you never drawn from life before ever?

>>82234605
clothing is kinda stupid so i own as little of it as necessary, and all the most comfortable shit that still looks okay. so... it wouldnt do me any good
also my ribcage is deformed as fuck so it probably wouldnt be a good model
also i dont have a big enough mirror

>>82234591
No, I'm asking the guy who said "strokin my harbl" to please stop shitposting.

>>82234227
I wish there was a way to find out if anyone voted for themselves.

Then we could shoot them into space.

>>82234628
Hey! I'm not fat!
>>82234663
I have, which makes it all the more baffling.

there is clearly a very large demographic of females into web comics, how com web comic authors never get all the bitches? is it just because we're all lame nerds? what awaits us at the end of this tunnel?

>>82234817
I'm assuming at the very least you know who voted for himself.

>>82232834
You are missing the point, it's not "controversial subjects" that make easy cash. No one wants to read about a loser straight male nerd cuck (besides people on 4chan). What makes easy cash is comics about the leftist agenda. Comics that unapologetically regurgitate buzzwords about feminism, lgbtq+, "diversity" and all that shit you may know well from tumblr. Don't forget to make the straight white male your punching bag and all that, the more "empowering" and "progressive" and not subtle the better. The new PPG tried to be subtle in its episode about transgender shit and tumblr didn't like it, leftists lose focus easily, they can't interpret context, and if they don't understand it, they will find it offensive, so the more in your face and obvious, the more money you get.

If you want to make money, that is the way to go, a comic about a cuck won't bring you anything. If you still just want to make a comic about a cuck, I have something to say about why it's hard to pull it off, but otherwise there is no need to bother writing this wall of text I was going to...

>>82234817
If it only has one vote.
then you know.

>>82235260
i am interested in your perspective. please proceed

>>82235207
It was either him or that one guy who wants senpai to notice him.

>>82235289
That's inconclusive at best and you know it, at least for sure this early on in voting.

>>82231826
How about "oh they both die, but they're going to be at it for a while." And then next panel the punch line about the board game

>>82234557
It wouldn't be very gainful

I voted for Miss Melee.

I was the second vote for it.

>>82235547
Sure buddy.

>>82235174
they're shy.
i have thought about this a lot. because i still hope...

>>82235398
>nobody legitimately likes stuff i don't like!

>>82235512
You're a meme guy.

>>82235449
If I put the punchline in the third panel, I don't really have anywhere I can go with the fourth.

Maybe if I flip around the second and third panels?

>>82235547
Okay?

>>82235750
>i have thought about this a lot
I find this hard to believe, there's not even that much to think about here. people who draw cartoons are lame. usually lead inactive lifestyles, are unfit, and childlike. what have you been ruminating on all this time?

>>82235547
I would have voted for you if Green Knight and Miss Melee didn't exist.

>>82235836
that creative people are hard to find and that comics might help me meet other ones. and those are the only kind i'm into, and presumably i'm the kind they're looking for. because i'm nice and I don't use 'childlike' as an insult or stereotype artists as 'lame'
what are you even doing here

>>82235879
I had to put citt slightly above sisters which would have otherwise been my top
but yeah those two are way high up there. probably #4 and 3.
buuut i don't think anything good can come from ranking here..

I would like someone to critique the following pitch please

A father returns from ten years in prison to find his son is on the same path that led him to incarceration. In the background of an impoverished small town they learn to love each other and overcome the adversities of a fractured life.

>>82235823
Why did you respond 'Okay?'

>>82235547
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

>>82236140
Generic but good.
Develop it.

>>82236140
that sounds nice to me. we need more father and son shit
the tough part would be sorta letting them have conflict without them just fucking off and staying away from each other.. two independent guys that obviously can do without each other, nothing stops them from excluding each other

>>82236140
Very standard and cliche. It'd have to be done pretty skillfully for me to care.

>>82236148
leave it m8

>>82236268
What would you change?
>>82236257
I would like you to explain further please.

>>82236342
well i mean, okay, the dad has a motivation to stick around his kid.. he wants to change his ways. obviously the kid doesnt want that.. and he's a grown-ass man, so there's nothin' that penniless ex-con of a dad can really do to force or even coerce his son to listen to anything he has to say. so we'll need to think of a sorta 'concept' that links them together, something specific about their lives that they can interact between

>>82236342
No, you elaborate.
What you've given us is almost as simple as "There is a great evil, a hero ventures out to vanquish it." You've told us something so broad that there's nothing to say.

>>82236193
> 0:25
>poor form

lmfao, this couldn't be more appropriate

>>82236461
he wanted me to elaborate on the specific problem i foresaw with the story. there's nothing wrong with that.

>>82236477
Donnie.

>>82236421
Good point, I will think on it.
>>82236461
The point of a pitch is to have a simple idea to expand upon in further iterations, calm down.

>>82232812
>>82233024
yo. you around? i wanna put this on the f'nart page.

Working out the details with my artist friend. Story is pretty much down at this point

You're doing your best, aren't you?

Why wouldn't you be?

>>82236567
>Calm down.
I'm not upset, I'm saying it's thread bare instead of just simple.

>>82236822
You do your best, too.

>>82236847
You doing your best makes me want to do my best also as well.

>>82235836
post your work

>>82236823
Well I will come back later with something more refined and perhaps it will make more sense.

>>82236876
Then DO IT.
DO YOUR BEST.
POST IT HERE RIGHT NOW.

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>>82236876
uguu
it's hugs now

>>82236847
Don't reply to him.

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>>82235174
>how com web comic authors never get all the bitches?

>>82235311
Well, the pitch itself is a hard sell, and you have to be a great writer to pull it off. The thing about writing about a cuck is that the subject of cheating is repulsive, and it's upsetting to read about, specially if we are supposed to empathize with the cuck.
Now, having your character cheated on once is a good way to win him some sympathy, people like an underdog, BUT, and here comes the first big pitfall with this subject: when our hero is putting himself in this situation again and again where he is cheated on, or he keeps getting NTRed, then it seems like he is a pushover, it starts to seem like he is the problem, he never learns and never stop being a loser, and nobody likes a loser.
And this ties in closely with our other pitfall: who are our supporting characters? It most likely will be his douchebag "friends" who keep stealing his girls, and the girls who keep treating him like shit. Maybe there is this one cliche likeable female friend-from-childhood type character whom he doesn't want to fuck, and we will pity, because she is stuck in this awful world with awful characters.
So the subject is all set to be nonstop depressing -which is already bound to marginalize the mainstream audience, depressing stuff is more of a niche thing- an unlikeable plot with an unlikeable set of characters.
Your public will be formed of self loathing cucks who identify with the story, maybe some fans of cringe, but unless you are a genius writer that somehow has a great twist on the subject, you will never see much of a following outside that, and of course, you won't see much money.

(1/2)

>>82236921
No, spoilers tho.

>>82235311
>>82237015
I mean, you can have a story about an awful group of dumb friends who keep backstabbing eachother and keep coming back to being "friends" wallowing in their own misery, but I can't image how hard it is to maintain the balance between purposefully unlikeable and clever and a bad and unintended unlikeable that scares all your audience away.

As a fan of depressing shit, though, the best I can suggest is that you don't follow one set of dumb characters but try to make each story you have a self contained short story with different characters. Create some sort of pattern where every time you set up a group of new happy characters with their virtues and vices, make sure that our protagonist is the more likeable of the bunch, obviously, then have this circle destroyed with depressive shit, and you can leave them destroyed at the end of the run and move on to the new happy circle of characters. Make sure to have an ambiguous bitter sweet ending one time or another where the protagonist learns something, or where the good people can find consolation in each other just so you don't exaust your audience completely.

Sorta related, kinda sad stories with awful characters I can recommend for references: Freaks and Geeks (great series), Onani master Kurosawa (not that great chinese cartoon)
(2/2)

>>82237040
Either you're really only in these threads so people reply to you and praise you, or your best is so terrible you're embarrassed to be posting it, or you're still buttmad over the critique you received in the last thread.

>>82236940
>yeah Johnny, sensitivity! Learn how to fake that, and you've got it maaade!

>>82237119
or just that he's only releasing his comic in big-ass chunks
which is not very conducive to being in a thread like this.

>>82237200
Chances are he also doesn't know the genesis of these threads either.

>>82237040
Do you get any feedback from anybody before you upload?

>>82237200
I honestly don't understand why he does that. He says his comic get less readers and hits as a result, and from what I can tell he doesn't benefit from it at all.

>>82237464
When you release your comic a certain way, it also affects the way you're creating it.

"This entire page is just a guy crossing the desert with no dialog. Is that really all I'm gonna put out on that day..? Augh. Maybe I could just--"

I mean people will debate this, but I learned what happens when I tried releasing pages 3 times a week. It was kind of miserable.

I think view-chasing deciding what kind of comic you create is backwards.

>>82237412
eh i remember he was around since nearly the beginning. i know because i kept confusing his name for chickenscratch

>>82237632
yeah i can understand releasing in chunks, but perhaps smaller chunks are worth a try. i dunno. either way you were really cranking them out for a while but now you're not anymore. But I know shit happens and real life gets in the way.

which hyw girl has the best ass?

>>82237015
>>82237044
Good perspective. I think I might hold off on the comic then, seems it'd have to take a more serious tone.

But since we're on the subject, why don't you give me your thoughts on the premise of my story?

It starts w/ a socially stunted kid with no real friends going to an anime convention for the first time, and he meets a pickup artist who mentors him. He transitions from being a homebody to hanging with guys who comb night clubs looking for ass.

But inside he's never able to really bridge this gap, and this is the source of most of the problems (and NTR). Throughout the whole ordeal, he keeps in touch his sole friend on the internet, and that person helps keep him grounded in who he really is. There are a lot of personal lessons and themes I want to incorporate into the story, but I worry this story is only interesting to me because it's cathartic.

>>82237757
Mimi.
Oh wait, I thought you said cutest...

>>82236935
You don't tell him what to do.

>>82237200
That's not an excuse. He can post WIPs, like many other people in these threads do.

>>82237757
well I know who has the shiniest, purplest ass...

>>82237942
and he used to. i miss those, they were cool.

>>82237632
Have you tried creating your pages in beats while still releasing them one by one?
Or maybe a weekly two-three-page update?
That seems like it would let you keep your preferred pace better while being more palatable to readers.

>>82236690
Also you seem to have left a cursor on it (screenshot?) This does not bother me but worth pointing out since i havent added it yet.
God damn I love fanart.

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Man coloring takes a long time.

Thoughts? Figured I'd get some practice in on this fine piece of /tg/ literature.

>>82237956
Barney?

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>>82237680
>but now you're not anymore
I've been in an art-improvement sabbatical. Which I don't regret.

And now I'm out of my meds. I can't keep still without them. It's gonna be a little bit before I'm cranking them out, as it were. At least a month.

>>82237942
>He can post WIPs,
I can post a panel at best. But most things I could show you spoil something. Pic related was already seen in past threads. Kiki's spinning around with wet hair. That could happen anywhere.

>>82238029
>Have you tried creating your pages in beats while still releasing them one by one?
That's how the last one was done. It's okay for views. But as I started creating beat 17 directly after, I could notice what was happening. The intention of releasing them one by one. I don't like this creeping effect; it has to be fought consciously.

>>82238402
Oh, fuck off dude, we're all creators here, we're all "in the know" so to speak. If you still kayfabe us that says a lot about your confidence in your own creation.

>>82238372
is his ass not green?

>>82238402
>But most things I could show you spoil something
You can just put it behind spoiler tags tho.

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>>82238402
>wet hair
sacrilege

>>82238436
....????????????????

>>82238491
Spoilers are for private conversation.

>>82238567
I was referring to this.
>I can post a panel at best. But most things I could show you spoil something
Literally nobody else here gives a shit about that, just your faggot ass. People post WIPs and spoiler shit for their comics all the time.

>>82238567
they're really not.

>>82238567
>Spoilers are for private conversation.
What in the world makes you say that?

>>82238402
That hair does not look wet at all. There's water droplets around it, but the volume of the hair and the way it appears to be moving doesn't match up with how real wet hair moves.

>>82238402
No offense, I haven't read your comic, but one of the most common complaints I see about it is that nothing happens in it.
Would it really be so bad to have every page be more standalone?

>>82238624
>>82238634
Agree to disagree I guess.

>>82238713
Yes because you see, Scribblehatch's format for posting comic pages is perfect and any flaws are the work of trolls who are out to destroy him, trolls that he HAS to reply to, even if it makes him look bad, but that's not his fault, he's just flammable.

>>82237820
the only lesson learned here is to not trust normies and 3DPD.

>going outside
>going to CLUBS
>hanging out with CHADS
Should've been a shutin NEET living on autism bux. It's like the modern day lazy man's buddhism.

>>82238732
No seriously, I don't understand how you could possibly come to that conclusion.
It's literally called spoiler tags and spoiler image. What makes you say it's meant for private conversations?

>>82238861
That doesn't change information getting out earlier than intended.

If you don't care about that, that's where we disagree.

>>82238883
But the actual fans of your comic aren't in these threads! It's just fellow creators, so who cares if you drop some spoilers? After all, this thread is about working on and improving one's comic, right? It's impossible to improve from a story perspective without telling your fellow creators, who are here to help you, future details of your story.

>>82238883
If people don't want to get spoiled they'll just not click the tag.

>>82238943
if you look at his posts it's clear he's not in this thread for his comic, just to socialize and make sure people see him posting with a trip

>>82238943
>>82238950
I don't know what kind of comics you guys are working on but I wouldn't post any significant spoilers to my comic in this thread if I had any sort of hope for it. Imagine if it got popular and some nerd from 4chan went and ruined the ending for everyone?

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>>82239077
>if I had any sort of hope for it

>>82238943
>>82238950
For content in development, knowing who knows what, is something I care about.

>>82239077
I was starting to feel very alien until this post.

>>82239121
>beats by dre
dre came from being a kid from the ghetto to being a multi million dollar ideas guy more famous than ghandi. what's your excuse guys? how come none of you have made it yet?

>>82239237
Integrity.

>>82239077
Why would anyone believe some nerd from 4chan????

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Page.

This is supposed to look like a party that’s just started in some tacky middle-class person’s house.

Drastic suggestions welcome. I'm way ahead on pages and have time to redraw the whole thing if I have to.

>>82239237
>implying I want to work hard and take risks
Who else happy to be mediocre here? Not everyone has to be some big entrepreneur. Just chugging along.

>>82239330
Well, in this case it'd be a screencap of a post that could be confirmed in the /co/ archive with the name/tripcode of the artist attached to it, but people fall for unverified stuff like that all the time anyway.

>>82239237
when youre some dumbass kid from the ghetto you can appeal to other similar ones, spending money they don't have on your stupid lowquality bullshit
people like me, who i know how to please, are more discerning with their money

>>82239338
i dunno about tacky but can middleclass people afford pictures/paintings on the wall the size of doors?

>>82239338
i want to fuck that crazy slut

>>82239441
I'm middle class and I have paintings like that. Not the artist by the way.

>>82239441
They're supposed to be prints. I think they could afford it.

>>82239384
>>82239407
>>82239324
none of you are ever going to make it. consider saving yourselves some time and lower yourselves into a burial plot right now.

>>82239237
Cuz I don't like making beats

>>82239508
You're kind of annoying.

>>82239541
>BEATS
we got an expert on BEATS right here actually

>>82239552
No shit, I hate this kind of guys in HYW
>You all can make it you just need to aim for the stars
>Eh Im just doing it for fun in my free time
>Oh wow why don't you just give up and die you are just wasting time

Im ok with them trying to encourage others but why do they need to insult others who are just here to waste time in something we enjoy?

>>82239508
if i thought i had the slightest chance of making it, i probably never would have started. wouldve been too noivus.

>>82239077
A: Nobody's saying "post the ending to Kiki's story right here and now". It's not like he's working on the climactic final showdown between his protagonist and antagonist.

B: It's trivially simple to make a page nearly spoiler-free. Just leaving the dialogue out like Spacepirate does already makes it hard to follow.

C: He doesn't have a large fanbase. Odds are he's gonna benefit much more from us helping him find flaws in his art and script than he is to lose anything from someone posting spoilers somewhere.

D: Even if someone does post spoilers, it's not like it's hard to counter them. Just make up some false leaks.

E: Lots of people like spoilers.

>>82239611
cool

>>82239692
it's pretty bullshit. what's wrong with just having fun? not everyone is going to "make it"

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>>82239711
>Odds are he's gonna benefit much more from us helping him find flaws in his art and script
As if he would listen.

>>82237632
So it gives you less views AND encourages poor page composition? Even if you only finish two pages a month it seems like standard layouts would actually be better for you.

I mean holy shit, you only get pageviews for like 1/20th of your pages and you can only put up a "new page" once a month at best. You are literally hurting yourself for a format that isn't even good for your comic.

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Hows my comic

>>82239910
>you only get pageviews for like 1/20th of your pages
Uniques matter more.

>>82237820
Yeah... I am sure most of us here can identify with a similar story, but it sounds pretty bad. Meeting a pick up artist at an anime convention, our protagonist goes from being a loser nerd to a loser loser, his only friend is an internet friend...

I don't know if this is literally everything that happened to you, but yeah, right now it sounds really unappealing, I don't know what more to tell you.
If you are so attached to this thing maybe you should start drawing it, finish a full arc maybe, but make it short, just to see if it's any good, and if it isn't, drop it. Maybe come back to it later with other eyes after a few other projects.

>>82239910
I don't care about views. At all.

>>82239508
The only thing I'm worried about making is comics, faggot.

>>82240202
>doesn't get any views
>"I d-don't care about v-views guys! H-honestly!"

>>82240202
If you don't care about people reading your comic, why put it online at all?

>>82239902
>a year ago
let it fucking go dude

>>82240304
If you pay closer attention to the way that person is talking about views, they aren't just talking about "People reading your comic."

They care the idea of dicing an onion into 5 pieces and calling that 5 onions.

>>82239914
judge*
your sense of humor is kooky in a good way. please get good at drawing. it doesnt have to be great to enjoy it, but better than that.

>>82237820
i'd be interested in seeing how a story about your online friend being your only real friend would work

maybe you'd be better off shrouding this same basic story in metaphor

>>82240380
You're reading too much into it.

>>82240380
You didn't answer my question, so I'll ask it again. If you don't care about people reading your comic, why put it online at all?

>>82240019
Maybe, but going from like 20 pages to 400 is more than substantial. That's not even counting how the scrolling format can turn off readers and the loss of incremental reward.

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rough lines, looking for inspiration for a title

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>>82222066
He's bettter than I am, but I also use a brush, I fix shit in digital, but I plan things out in an effort to limit mistakes.
I did not like the way dip pens interact with the paper.

>>82240509
i think the scrolling format is pretty well established now for 'comic book' type comics, where each page delivers only a small amount of information, and you can only really enjoy it a chapter at a time. what it's not good for is if you add to that chapter as you go, and people checking only see the first page..
the best hybrid is probably how the sisters does it

>>82240509
>That's not even counting how the scrolling format can turn off readers
This is too much truth. I took my comic off Tapastic because the interface was so fucking offensive to me, that scrolling method is no way to read a webcomic. Shit like that tries to fix what ain't broke: the tried-and-true method of reading comics one page/strip at a time. I seriously cannot possibly fathom why anybody, even mobile users, thinks that format is a good idea. It is so fucking far beyond my comprehension that people who believe in it might as well be from the moon. I've seen comics that looked interesting, and when I got to read them, they were in that format, and I IMMEDIATELY lost all interest.

>>82240601
>i think the scrolling format is pretty well established now for 'comic book' type comics
No it's not. I read several of those types of comics, and I create one myself, and none of them use that format.

>>82240490
I care about people reading it.

Just not the click-voodoo.

>>82240380
>Making the reader read one page at a time is the same as slicing a product to bits and selling it as multiple products.
Normally I'd let a dumb comparison like this slide, but you've spent hundreds of pages and haven't resolved a single plot thread. Anything short of the whole first chapter on one page is dicing things up anyway.

>>82240610
I feel exactly the same.

>>82240720
Give me a break.

>>82236690
Credit me as Von I guess. And I left the original at my work (I drew it during lunchtime and yes it was a screenshot kek) so tomorrow I'll save it better and post it again!

>>82240610
I'm surprised more Japanese/Chinese comics aren't formatted that way.

But yeah, the page turn is an element of composition. You could theoretically print all of Calvin and Hobbes on one long sheet of paper, but it'd be annoying.

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>>82240862
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nkcVz1mad0

>>82240680
well it's widespread as fuck. i hate it for a lot of comics, but there are some where it's okay.

>>82240865
okay i'll wait for then! Thanks so much!

>>82240906
stahp
take a second, ask yourself if your response is going to help anything, then don't do it.
dammit i want people to like you

>>82240995
It's a snappy musical commercial. And as good a conversation buttoner as any.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIOzcjzWBQQ

>>82241275
gotta admit i was going to try posting a clip from the TMNT theme

I like vertical comics.
The people against it are acting like a mob.

>>82242666
Senpai will surely notice you now.

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Can you guys help me with a small problem?

Maybe I'm overthinking the whole process, but I'm having trouble getting started my web comic because of the various ideas I have and can't decide on what order or how to organize it into well put plot.

Is there a set tutorial on these things?

What I got so far is a story about a war veteran returning home to live the rest of his life on his father's farm. But after a insident at a locale town he has to get a job working as bounty hunter to pay off several debts. It's a wild western with abit of dark fantasy mixed in.

I have many more ideas I want to put in it, but I'm having a tough time deciding what will fit and make sense.

>>82242891
Huh?

>>82243021
I would write it down, as in, write down the story and check how you feel it should evolve on paper before putting it in comic form, its really hard making plot decisions when everything is inside of your head just floating around.

>>82244320
Yeah, guess I have no choice.

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Today's animation.

>>82245509
For once, I can call something you've made an improvement.
Still shitbad but an improvement.

>>82245563
you can definitely see better handles on consistent shapes. i'd say he's up to Kablam! level now

So, that Google Doc was a mess, but let's just say I had some time on my hands and wanted to clean it up! It was pretty fun going through the list and seeing all the talented artists we have here. I re-organized the format and split the Outline based on letter. I also pushed inactive comics (I tried looking for any updates within 2 yrs or so) to the bottom section. And a separate section for artist plugs.

Check it out and update your info! (looking at you Carrion Girls guy)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit?pref=2&pli=1#

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>>82242666
Me too... I even printed vertically cause it reads so much better than horizontally (and is truer to format.)

>>82245986
oh sure, arrange it so i'm not at the top anymore..

>>82245509
needs a little work on reactions and the timing between them (she reacts too quickly and it cuts off too soon). But otherwise bretty gud