Problem Sleuth

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>>82107313
Thanks Anon, now we can talk about the best of Hussie's work.

Post best characters.

>>82107368
>now we can talk about the best of Hussie's work
that's not Whistles

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>>82107368
I'm going to go with death.

wait what
new Problem Sleuth music in 2016?

>>82107368
wrong Ace Dick, fampire

>>82107368
Daily reminder that Tensei and Malcolm Brown have done more to define MSPA's musical legacy and influence more than Toby "Oopy stye" ever has.

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>>82107517
>Oopy stye

>>82107517
toby is the celebrity, though.
Hell, shit shit got a big, distracting spot in collide

>>82107592
people just like toby more because he does chiptunes and chiptunes are hot

>>82107517
That's cool and all but Undertale is better than anything Tensei and Brown could ever do in their lives will be.

>>82107517
can't we let them all be happy and successful at Hussie's expense

>>82107517
I know but Toby "nobody gave a shit till I made Megalovian" Fox has made some important contributions.

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>>82107368

>>82107517

Come on now, I'm not saying that Tensei and Brown haven't done a lot of amazing shit for MSPA music but you can't deny tracks like Black just because Radiation is the most popular.

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PS had the best ending ever. I would have lost my mind waiting for updates had I read it while it was being published.

>>82107700
he did Black, Atomick Ebonpyre, and Descend before Megalovania was popular

>>82107700
>>82107891
He made Megalovania years before Homestuck existed.

>>82107941
back in 2008

>>82107891
Yeah he has me for life with Descend

I don't get it though why the competition, he added amazing sounds to the comic along with Tensei, Brown, and Buzenkai, among all the other early Act musicians

Do you think Hussie would ever consider a sequel to PS?
Or if not a full sequel, some kind of short comic, like something on Paradox Space, about the adventures of Team Sleuth in the real world?

>>82108025
old Hussie is dead

>>82108025
hussie's sense of humor has been poisoned by the sense of responsibility

>>82107517
Why you guys gotta shit on Toby, he's literally harmless

>>82108035
I want to believe. Even something in the Style of Act 4 would be nice. Or a continuation of the Inaugural Death of Mr. Seven series.

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>>82108035
>Old Huss will never dazzle us with his quick wit and sharp social commentary ever again
it 8urts

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So how do you feel about RoxyCallie being canon in the end?

>>82108025
He did do the short paid-for panels a little bit after.
Interestingly that's where a lot of Homestuck mechanics were foreshadowed and came into play, like the Retcon juju and PLOTHOLE.

>>82107313
You made a huge mistake in creating this thread when there wasn't a Homestuck thread up to keep this from happening: >>82108126

>>82108126
I'm still finding it funny that people are going "DAVE WAS FROWNING AT THE END THEY HATE BEING AROUND JADE"

>>82108126
john is fucking that ass all night and day

>>82108066
And fame and success.

>>82108074
Mostly jealousy and spite.

>>82108119
>tfw when reading back on his old comics
>No more zoosmells
He was so on point, like damn.

>>82108126
I don't feel anything. Because it isn't.

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Ace Dick is one of the best characters in MSPA.

>>82108126
Feels C O N F I R M E D, man.

>>82108182
>Implying John's fucking Calli's skeleton ass
Eww no gross. Only nice lesbian snuggles are being had by her and Roxy.

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>>82108182

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>>82108173
But Dave was smiling? These people don't even watch the fucking videos.

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>>82108126
>posting LE's anime smut on a SFW board

>>82108219
It's John's duty to fuck the lesbian out of her, even if she's a skeleton.

>>82108186
Denial isn't just a river in Egypt apparently.

>>82108204
No he's not, his imagination is so utterly shitty.

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>>82108204
I love how fucking ridiculous this increasingly became

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>>82107886
I started reading when it was in the middle of Hysterical Dame and Nervous Broad's fan cord side quest. I don't remember ever getting as junkie-tastic for PS updates as I did HS in its prime, but that might be because the fandom wasn't so large and active. It was nice when it was ending how new people heard the news and started checking it out, and seeing that it'd always had fans on /co/.

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>>82108219
>implying that isn't the best ship

>>82108182
John "I can retcon so faggots better get gone" Egbert strikes again.

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C O N F I R M E D

>>82107313
I literally just reread all of problem sleuth the other day.

>>82108262
John "I went back in time to cleave away the Gay" Egbert to the rescue.

>>82108156
This. Fuck you, OP. Use your brain.

>>82107313
Has anyone made a 3D replica of the Problem Sleuth map in oculus yet?

>>82108230
They know Davekat's a sunk cause and just want to grasp at the last few straws they have.

>>82108315
John "The Hetero the Bettero" Egbert did what had to be done.

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Assume that the next MSPA is as good as or better than Problem Sleuth and early Homestuck. Hussie's magnum opus and shit. This is a what-if scenario, so bear with me.

What kind of genre would you want? Fan commands or no commands? Short or long?

John "Make the Hets get Wet" Egbert

>>82108315
>>82108366
But Jade's the one who made things straight again. John needs to pick up the fucking pace if he wants to live up to his name.

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undying classics

>>82107476
That's not And it Don't Stop

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Have a WIP of a karkat/gamzee strife

>>82108413
Where are the Jade ones

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>>82108126
Is it just me or were the Cherubs that absolute worst addition to the story? People will cite the Trolls, the Alphas and the Alpha Trolls but Callie/Caliborn/Alt!C were like fanfiction additions to the story. They served absolutely no purpose and you could LITERALLY tell the same ending without them, sans the parts with Caliborn. Calliope was so useless by the end she was stationed with the Mayor.

Snake-Skeleton angel children really fucked up this story for the worse.

>>82108413
I have been looking for this list and hoped it would get posted again.

>>82108126
god damn Calliope is tiny

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>>82108448
nobody cares about Jade

>>82108389
It depends on what it's about. If it continues the parody of old adventure games, then fan commands and short.
If it's something completely different, then no commands, and of medium to long length (but not as long as Homestuck).

>>82108389
I just want to see him do anything new for himself without all the baggage accumulated from Homestuck going wildly out of control

>>82108476
It's just you.

>>82108366
Remember when for a very very short time, John's sex classpect inverted and he became John "I'm a Like the Dyke" and "It's A oKAY to be a Gay" Egbert for a bit?

>>82108448
>Jade "Breed me or bleed out" Harley
>Jade "Put a baby in me or I put a bullet in you" Harley
>Jade "Babydaddy or Verydeady" Harley
>Jade "Finish inside or your insides are finished" Harley
>Jade "Make me a mother or I make you a corpse" Harley
>Jade "You're either a new dad or you're now dead" Harley
>Jade "Impregnation or evisceration" Harley
>Jade "If the dick goes out so does your lifespan" Harley
>Jade "Creampie or deadguy" Harley
>Jade "It's my womb or a tomb" Harley
>Jade "In nine months you'll be a parent or wormfood" Harley
>Jade "Fill or kill" Harley
>Jade "It's Impregnation or Decapitation" Harley
>jade "soulmate or no mate" harley
>jade "all night is alright" harley
>jade "stay in and you win" harley
>jade "fill me while you drill me" harley
>Jade "Impregnation or Decapitation" Harley
>Jade "Inseminate or I'll Castrate" Harley
>Jade "Come on My Chest, Get Granted Eternal Rest" Harley
>Jade "Come on My Face, I'll Exterminate Your Race" Harley
>letting anyone every pull out

>>82108389
Fan commands definitely. It was the main draw of Mspa in the first place. Maybe he doesn't need to take exact commands but at the very least he should take a vague sense from the readers

>>82108476
Calliope was boring shit but Caliborn was the best part of Act 6.

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>>82108501
>Homosuck: the Movie, featuring Carl the Cuck as John

>>82108476
>They served absolutely no purpose and you could LITERALLY tell the same ending without them, sans the parts with Caliborn.
>They served absolutely no purpose except for the character who served a purpose

>>82108389
Fantasy-Comedy Action Adventure. With more Drama and Webcomicy, tone mood-whiplash towards the later parts, hell go full Dominic Deegan on it.

Commands allowed only at select key-parts, not every panel.

>>82108289
I started a reread but then I got bored shortly after DMK showed up
Maybe I'll resume reading it later today

>>82107886

I got into PS about halfway through the DMK fight, it was maddening to get caught up and then have to wait for updates.

>>82107368
Why did you post the female Ace Dick?

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>>82108477
glad to help

>>82108476
Caliborn had been my favorite character since I started reading him.
I connected to him.
The dancestors and Alpha kids were awful though.

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>>82108543
who will Maddie play?

>>82108485
I don't think there is anything about this picture that doesn't make me uncomfortable

even John "Unloading mags in a fags" Egbert is making eyes at what was once dave.

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>>82108425
That's not Stuff North Bought.

>>82108476
It's just you. They're the best characters with the most interesting alien traits and they fit into the story just fine.

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>>82108485
dave does

>>82108126
Why couldn't it have been Caliborn who got to live his lewd h*nd-h*lding fantasies? He worked so much harder in life than his sister did.

>>82108647
oh thank god the thingsnorthbought tumblr is still up
I thought maybe he had deleted it

>>82108512
I don't doubt it.

>>82108529
Too bad Caliborn's quest and injection into the story was pointless, cause ZOMG TWIST LE isn't actually him at all but a sweaty horse loving asshole inside some Shades and a gross cloun.

>>82108548
Fair enough, allow me to back-pedal.
They served ABSOLUTELY no purpose.

>>82108709
Female privilege.

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>>82108543
ROXY: callie and i need some alone time, ok john?
JOHN: Are you kidding me?????

>>82108485
Why do people insist on making daves hair look like that, how can they look at the sprite and see that half baked cabbage.

>>82108501
is this literally john?

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>>82108647
>It's just you. They're the best characters with the most interesting alien traits and they fit into the story just fine.
Really How.

Caliborn's entire adventure and quest amounted to nothing, if we're counting what occurred onscreen. LE might as well be an entirely different unrelated character.


Cali speaks for herself.

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>>82108714
>Too bad Caliborn's quest and injection into the story was pointless
>LE isn't actually him at all

how are you this dumb

>>82108620
Either Jade or Vriska

>>82108753
They don't.
Those are drawn by people who just read the wiki and pretend to know what comic they're drawing.
IT PISSES ME OFF WHEN PEOPLE DON'T DRAW DAVE'S BIRD.

>>82108739
If Roxy goes gay there is still that black relationship with Terezi that was hinted at.

>>82108813
>If Roxy goes gay

>can't even kiss ded Jane, her best friend

laffo

>>82108770
THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EPILOGUE JUST WAIT

>>82108839
>implying those kinds of people read the comic

they probably think davejadekat is a thing

>>82108813
>John beats the shit out of terezi to vent his frustrations

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>>82108813
TEREZI: SORRY JOHN, BUT 1 4GR33D TO ST4Y 3XCLUS1V3 W1TH VR1SK4 1N TH4T QU4DR4NT NOW.
JOHN: Are you kidding me??????

>>82108839
>Rather kiss a skeleton than Jane

>Proof Jane is doomed to loneliness

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>Lord English is a green skull man timelord who talks in green caps, hates women and wants to kill everything

>Caliborn is a green skull child timelord who types in green caps, hates women and wants to kill everything


>NOOOOO CALIBORN ISNT LE CUZ GAMZEE AND EQUIUS ARE IN HIM!!!!!!!!!! ITS FUCKIN BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!

Goddamn, I have seen this shit countless times on HSG and it only gets more retarded.

>>82108852
>The epilogue is posted 10 years later, on the 13th of April
I would be in my mid 30s by then. Are there even any Homestuck fans older than 30?

>>82108775
I mean in terms of narrative connection and meaningful developments Caliborn being part of LE doesn't really do anything for what little we see of LE's character, and it puts a hard cold stop to Caliborn existing at all. We might as well not have had him or have them be separate individuals, with one like a puppet or manifestation.

So he's not him really. He's the corpse of Caliborn mangled with a cloun, sweaty horse-shades and hatched from a Cueball into a meatgrinding lug. It's like saying Condy and Meenah are the same, storywise.

>>82108839
no one wants to kiss jane

>>82108921
see >>82108911

Meenah and Condy have the same exact personality, whereas Caliborn and LE (for what we can infer by his actions; see enslaving tons of powerful women) do as well

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>>82108911
I automatically disregard anyone's post who doesn't accept the canon ending that LE drew act 7 and Homestuck ended on a cliffhanger because Hussie Zahaak.

>>82108911
Wow great superficial differences you just pointed out. And those amount to say, one top-page panel where he talks to Damara? Great show.

The parts of Caliborn that actually matter, that the audience enjoys and likes are for the most part dead and inert inside LE. They may occur as off-hand explanations for his anger and outbursts but for the most part LE is a mindless zombie of a frankensteins monster and being part of Caliborn is meaningless.

>>82108911
Sollux is a grey alien who killed his exmatesprite, killed a lusus once, and is moody.
Eridan is a grey alien who killed his exmatesprite, killed a lusus once, and is moody.
No body calls them the same character.

>>82108879
Should I write a fic about john brining in roxy during a black fling with terezi or do the rose teaching roxy how to be a dom with john instead?

>>82108987
>matesprite
buddy

>>82108947
Wrong. We see Condy speak/type.
Caliborn has a clear personality.
LE is just FRAGGORRRR I'M THE FUCKIN INCREDIBLE HULK. Everything we infer about him is inferred indirectly or stated from other characters.

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>In the Game Over timeline he sat by while Gamzee fucked Terezi up mentally and did nothing to stop him
>Is killed easily by Gamzee when he tries to stop him from threatening Terezi
>In the new timeline he essentially becomes an accessory to Dave and accomplishes little to anything on his own
>He never realized his power as a leader
>He never even got to lead the new trolls from the matriorb
I'm still fucking mad.

>>82108998
Do the second one, although your capitalization and spelling gives me some doubts about your writing ability.

>>82108998
rose teaching roxy

>>82109007
What was the diamond thing called then? I feel so stupid.

>>82108998
Neither. You must write about John getting cucked by every love interest he ever had in Homestuck and ending up watching them all have an orgy in front of him while he hysterically screams "ARE YOU KIDDING ME????" while masturbating in tears.

>>82108998
>making me choose

>>82108428
that's actually pretty nice
if i may suggest improvements: have the individual slash effects be a bit more dynamic, and have the damage indicator show up a bit after the 'attack' starts

why are wv ascend, enter, jack ascend, descend, jade enter, wake, and prince of heart rise up, so good?

>>82109055
Moirail but i dont know if i am spelling it right

>>82109055
>not even the right quadrant
holy christ
the diamond thing is moirails
matesprits are hearts
SPRITS
not sprites

>>82109055
moirails

they just mean the term for people in hearts is "matesprits," not "matesprites"

>>82108911
He's obviously mostly Caliborn but being combined with three other people has to have some effect on him

>>82109093
Oh yeah, thanks anun.

>people are desperately shipping davepeta with jade to get jade out of the way

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>>82109095
You loose some, you lerne some.

>>82108839
She had blood coming out of her mouth

That's kind of gross

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>>82108770
I doubt I could convince you to 180 on such a significant story opinion. I adore their designs, I found their body-sharing situation fascinating, I thought their dynamic was fun and interesting, I found Calliope charming and sympathetic, I found Caliborn hilarious and engaging, I thought their mystery fit the tone of the story, their reproductive process is grand and interesting, and I thought Caliborn's fucked up session was great. Lord English fell flat as a threat but he brought meaning back to death and the Felt and Scratch wouldn't have existed without him. He was a great unknown threat for most of the comic, I just wish it was followed through more at the end.

>>82109109
>>82109095
>sprits
>not spirits
Have I also been retarded this entire time?

>>82109170
i'm afraid so, anon
i thought it was "incinisphere" until act 6 act 6

>>82109170
yeah

>>82109170
Yeah, the matesprite matesprit was a huge issue that people had years ago. I've never heard of matespirits.
I also didn't really pay attention to the whos dating who aspect of the comic.

>>82109150
I hope Hussie confirms Davepeta as fucking dead.

>>82109150
>davesprite left her anyway and is probably dead

>>82109170
yes, but it's ok

just remember it's a portmanteau of "mate" and "esprit"

or don't cause who cares lmao

>>82109210
I'm still not 100% sure what the difference between The Medium and the Incipisphere is.

>>82109210
Holy shit what

>>82109276
I guess it was confusing because spirit made sense too

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>>82108998

>>82109280
I think the Medium is the game and the incisiphisphere is the game's solar system?

>>82109162
Don't get me wrong, I used to love Calli and Caliope as characters, the same way one could theoretically like say, Eridan or Mituna, or even Nepeta.

But they were hyped up so much and amounted to so little storywise that it really left a sour taste in my mouth and whatever interest in them there was, was sort of hard to manage with their irrelevancy. If their actual plot inclusions and uses are as engaging as their backstory and designs I might feel differently. I mean look at LE and Caliborn as a villain, he had a lot of development and focus put in throughout Act 6 but when it came to COLLIDE and the final showdown, he was a very minor footnote that was dealt with almost offhand, with the Noirs and Condy being more of antagonist then even him. The kids didn't really confront him (onscreen) at all and we don't SEE his active and physical antagonism of the kids and story so it seems really pathetic by comparison of the other villains, or even say Bec Noir who killed several characters directly, not implicitly.

LE just stayed out of the spotlight too long and did things backstage to be an effectual villain. It's like Dave said, why the fuck should they care about him anyway? What did he do to them personally, individually? And he's right.

>>82109280
I think the Incipisphere is the dimension players are transported to, but the Medium is everything inside the Veil?

>>82109162
Calliope has the personality of wet cardboard. Her logs even with otherwise fun characters were a boring slog.

>>82109374
Just went to the wiki, close but wrong way round.

>>82109410
Calliope can make any log boring and Caliborn can make any log great

>>82109374
>>82109404
OK I kind of thought the Medium was the space holding all the sessions for SBURB, including the Furthest Ring, while the Incipisphere is the space of a single session, including that session's Prospit, Derse, Skaia, Battlefield, and player planets.

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>>82109280
large circle = incipisphere
small circle = medium
or such is how i understand it at least

>>82109349
You drive a hard bargin angle

>>82109410
Did we read the same comic? I read the one that had a really abhorrently disappointing and unsatisfying ending, and an adorable skull girl who was very charming and thoughtful.

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I need your input. So I'm trying to pin point who the exact protagonists of Homestuck are, and I've found that characters introduced at the start of a Part (excluding Meenah) seem to fit this description. John appears on the first page with Part 1: Homestuck. Karkat appears about 2000 pages later in Part 2: Hivebent. Meenah, while not having an introduction page, is the point of view character for interacting with the rest of the Beforus trolls, so I believe that counts for something. Caliborn opens up Part 4 with Homosuck with Shitty John as his avatar. My only issue is that, while Jane opens up Part 3: Homestuck (Alpha), she doesn't behave in the same way as the other protagonists. So, /hst/, I have a question for you. Who of the Alpha kids is the protagonist of Part 3?

>>82109621
its Roxy, read the comic

>>82109584
I don't like charming, thoughtful people. I like 12 year old assholes who eat sugar and troll people on the internet all day while preaching misogine.

>>82109621
Karkat isn't the protag of anything. He does nothing, amounts to nothing, and most things are outside his control.

>>82109621
There isn't one

It's supposed to be Jane, but Jane is fucking useless

>>82109621
It's Roxy, did you really think you had to set up all this song and dance to get us to admit that? We say it all the time.

>>82109621
Roxy

>>82109584
Only the first part sounds like Homestuck.

Katnep
Im on my way, im making it.

>>82109621
I'd say either Roxy or potentially Dirk. Their importance changes throughout Act 6, with Dirk becoming much less relevant later. Roxy's importance increases, being the only one to escape with John out of the Game Over timeline, while Dirk is left behind.

>>82109650
I like Caliborn more than Calliope too, as much as I love her, but having a personality you don't like doesn't amount to "wet cardboard."

>>82109696
MAKING MY WAY DOWNTOWN

>>82109621
"Protagonist" is entirely too nebulous of a phrase to try to pin it down. And it doesn't really matter.

>>82109699
>>82109669
>>82109663
>>82109637
This is what I was leaning towards, I was just wondering if anyone could make a legitimate case for Jane.

>>82109702
I never called her that. Another anon did. I would call her a wimp who's too afraid to speak her mind which led to her eventual downfall.

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in order for me to show my dissatisfaction with act 7, let me, anonymous, tell you how every aspect of homestuck is now shit

>>82109584

shes what "charming and thoughtful" is like when you're robotically piecing together the last components of your comic and your only passion is for a few of your older characters

Reminder that this is a Problem Sleuth thread and that thread hijacking is against the rules

>>82109702
Calliope barely had a personality. She was "nice". That's it. Half the cast were nice, and they had other things going on too.

Actually, let me correct that. That was Alpha Calliope. AltCalliope was an interesting starting point for a character, though she didn't get fleshed out like she deserved. She can also be summed up with a single word, "good", but she was unlike any other character. She was focused entirely on the bigger picture. She was cold and hard and kept her emotions deeply suppressed. Shame Hussie didn't do much with her.

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>>82109783
I don't give a fuck.

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>>82109699
>game over dirk blames himself for everything and floats off alone into the artifacts
>roxy gets to go fix the timeline with john, dirk stays
that was fuckin sad

>>82109783
Every character in Problem Sleuth is better than Calliope.

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>>82109783
Just top up the Problem Sleuth count to keep the thread going.

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>>82109410
That's a dandy opinion and all but I find her very interesting and think her kind, friendly personality isn't wet-cardboard-like at all. She's not especially dynamic but she's genuine, sympathetic, clever, and creative. I enjoy her lines and her relations to other characters.

>>82109380
You're generally right. Like I said, Lord English was a letdown as a villain for the kids because he didn't do much to hurt them personally, he was just vaguely implied to be a universe-destroyer on the hunt for Calliope. LE lacks the charm of Caliborn and was generally a poor villain. But I don't think his poor handling ruined the best characters any more than Karkat's hilarious early logs are ruined by his downward trajectory into irrelevance.

Like, you juxtaposed her with The Mayor to emphasize how she's unimportant, and I totally agree he was poorly handled in Act 6, but WV's still an incredible character. One of my favorites in the whole comic! Spades dying before he could fulfill his dibs on English didn't retroactively ruin him. PM getting relegated to nothing but chasing Jack for an entire act didn't retroactively ruin her. They're good characters whose endings were poorly handled. That's all. The story was too crowded and Hussie decided Vriska's more important than any of them. Can't be helped.

>>82109837
Go to hell, you shitty hack

>>82109837
YOU'RE WELCOME

>>82109621
John, Karkat, Vriska, Roxy, Meenah, Caliborn.
There you have it. (Yeah, Karkat and Meenah don't really do anything, but oh well, at least they're protags in name).

>>82108913
There are a bunch; I can think of VastDerp off the top of my head. Fandom's pretty old, after all, back in the days of Star Trek fanzines it was full of 20-35 year olds.

>>82109584
Cali was interesting until her reveal and post-death. Then she became boring and useless, much like Jade.
Is it just destiny for Space players to lose all their charm suddenly after a certain point?

reminder that dolorosa is the best troll

>>82109824
There's no recovering mentally from that outcome for some people, Dirk being one of them. Honestly, it says a lot about John and Roxy that they have the mental fortitude to keep going after such a massive loss, really reinforced my positive feelings for both of them even if the primary reason for their fortitude is ignorance.

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Do you think that if we imply that Hussie is a misogynist for not including Terezi in the final shot at the end, we can get him to break radio silence?

>>82109858
Calliope never had WV's chance to be a good character, she was only in Act 6. You can't blame poor handling.

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http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=4&p=000503

This is my favorite PS page. What's yours?

>>82109953
My favorite arc was the plug arc with the long lass.

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>>82109953

>>82109924
If the hundreds of tumblrites calling him a homophobe for not doing davekat couldn't do it, we couldn't either

>>82109924
No. Accuse him of being ableist instead.

>>82109981
Those corsets were bloody hard to get your head around at the beginning

>>82109621
Doesn't matter because they aren't as important as Vriska

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>>82109994

>>82109953
You consume your counterparts, ZAD and FAD, finally uniting as one mean, strapping Dick of unprecedented VIM.

A phenomenal transformation takes place.

You become...

My God.

YOU BECOME...

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=4&p=001718

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>>82110029

>>82110016
Anon, they're supposed to go around your chest, not your head. Not at all.

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>>82109921
yea. its just so weird to have a character not die when things go terribly in homestuck, i guess thats what made it stick out as particularly awful because you had one of our most level headed heroes completely defeated but still alive

>>82110058
That was probably the main reason I was struggling

>>82109921
>John
>Roxy
>ignorant

>>82110098
>Dirk
>Level-headed
I'd say he has more mental issues than Dave even. He is just better at masking them through aloofness.

>>82110030
I love how distinct the detectives' personalities were despite never speaking any lines

You know, if the 8 kids never went to fight Caliborn, then he'd never be able to leave his planet and wouldn't become Lord English

poor foresight for a couple of seers

>>82109702
Take Nepeta. Make her speak in a very proper and dignified manner.
Replace her hunting by another harmless hobby, like fanfic/fanart.
Add a slight theme of isolation and curiosity.
Give her plot ties to the Big Bad Evil Guy of the story so some prophecy justifies making her relevant.
There. You've got Calliope.

>>82108911
The problem with LE is that we don't see him talk or act; we only see the results of his actions, or people talking about him, and Scratch speaks on his behalf. That's why there's a disconnect between LE and Caliborn, despite them being the same guy. The former might as well be a big robot piloted by the latter over a distance.
Also this >>82109380

You know what? Writing this post, I noticed the problem with the Cherubs is that a lot of their personalities are informed rather than shown.
Calliope is nice and cute because characters say she's nice and cute, even though she hasn't done a lot of nice and cute things.
Caliborn is the villain because characters say so, even though he's never really done anything to make us care about his defeat.

>>82109858
Honestly, I often find myself hating all of a character's arc because its ending was shitty and rushed, but you're very right. It's important to remember there's no such thing as "retroactively ruined"; the good moments are still good.

>>82110174
they had to make LE so they could make their universe

cmon thats obvious

I know johns theme is doctor and Dave's is ascend, but what are the other kids? Did the alphas even have leitmotifs?

>>82110175
>The problem with LE is that we don't see him talk or act; we only see the results of his actions, or people talking about him, and Scratch speaks on his behalf.

This was done intentionally, of course. He's the antithesis of Scratch who is ridiculously verbose and writes text walls.

It just didn't work for a lot of people on here.

there's a in plot reason why the ending of Homestuck is so weird and that's kind of interesting to say the least
but what reason is there for Vriska to be the main character?

>>82110250
Muh puzzle

>>82110206
I was going to say yes, but aren't they bought from Consorts? It seems like an important function of the game aspect of the game, though. Maybe they were given out as treasure?

>>82110263
mary sue parody wins in the end

>>82110250
Hussie had to make LE a mute because he wrote himself into a corner when he made his personal font size too big to be practical for anything other than a few words in alt text.

>>82109858
In my humble opinion, Characters become less good based on what they do, or don't do, in the comic. You can have the coolest personality and design of all but without deeds to back it up your nothing but a pitch, a promise undelivered. That was what made Homestuck good early on, its use of show dont tell. On a basic level we depended more on actions and commands Then their pesterlogs.

Just look at the Alpha trolls. Great potential, no payoff.

I'm not one of those who reads a story for fanfics and fan art. So for me it's either be relevant and interesting in story, or never.

>>82110293
>who is DBZ Jake

>>82110280
Your thinking of fraymotifs

>>82110263
Mouthpiece/stand in for the whole idea of flipping off narrative convention.

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>>82109953

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>>82109943
I'm blaming the cherubs failing to be relevant to the plot as a whole on poor handling, not anything about Calliope specifically. She was a good character and Lord English being a shitty villain doesn't ruin that is what I'm saying.

If I have one complaint about her character it's that she was relegated to Mayor-tier plush doll standalong shortly after her revival, which was relatively late-game and I wasn't expecting her to fight or anything as it was. She was pretty quiet back when Awful Useless Cat Rose was going around. I was hoping to see her engaging the other characters. I'll hold out to the epilogue for that.

>>82110175
>even though she hasn't done a lot of nice and cute things
Aside from Caliborn, he was consistently polite, friendly, and tried to be helpful with SBURB. She drew fanart of them to cheer them up. She wrote fanfiction of herself going on fun adventures with them and them resolving their romantic problems (which people call creepy, but she lived in a tiny room in another universe and her only socialization was with the romantic disasters that were the B2 kids, just let her live a little). And it's a visual comic, you can SEE the cute.

>>82110098
I welcomed it in all honesty, it was solid story telling showing such an able character so utterly defeated like that, unwilling to press forward even if the option to right wrongs was possible through John. Now if we'd seen more scenes like that in the wake of LE's actions, we may have actually respected him as a villain.

>>82110115
Well perhaps ignorant is the wrong word to use; certainly I was aiming it more at John than Roxy, who confronts the harsh realities in burying Rose and uses that for determination going forward.

>>82110354
Well, she was a baby cherub that didn't even enter the game. She didn't have a title, and her cherub powers wouldn't be competitive enough to compensate against people who literally destroyed the universe.

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>>82108934
I do.

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>>82110263
See this shit?
Act 5 is the moment Hussie began to care for meta bullshit, trolling the reader and "lol subverting your expectations" over actually telling a good story.

Vriska started out as the hidden mastermind, the sudden protagonist, the divisive anti-hero meant to rile up the fanbase, the Mary Sue parody.
She was the character with all the luck that got every second chance in the world, got away with everything and never learned.

And she stayed that way through the whole comic. And the cancer grew.

Moral of the story: Hussie does not know when to retire a meme.

>>82110399
i agree
death became completely useless as a threat in story, it didnt mean anything to anyone because they were always instantly revived, god tiered, healed, dream bubbled or retconned
except for AR
;_;7

>>82110433
She was the Muse of Space. A master class.

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>>82109953

>>82110433
>She didn't have a title
You did not read the comic and have no right to discuss any part of it. Get out.

>>82110491
>>82110514
i believe anon assumes you don't "get" a title if you die before playing the game

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Somewhere along the line, Hussie became the thing he was making fun of.

>>82110263
In-comic Hussie is in love with her.

>>82110543
Says who
She had a dream self, ergo she's a legit player

>>82110491
Who got to do basically nothing. Okay, you can gain levels from doing non-fighting things, but I can't imagine she leveled up that much from writing smut, drawing fanart, and talking to her friends. She'd be like level 10.

>>82110543
No, I mis-spoke. I'm pretty sure you get actually "get" it when the session is instanced, I.E. at the start.

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>>82110433
>she didn't have a title
Okay did you skip the part where she, the Muse of Space, directly helped Roxy revive a nearly extinct alien race

If she'd gone around riding on Roxy's back they could have summoned any ridiculous thing in the battle against Condy come on

>>82109953
I'd have to do a reread but just look at this NB

>>82109837
YOU'RE WELCOME

>>82109953
anything from the sudoku segment is gold

how dumb do you have to be to get mad at a character meant to make you mad

>>82110621
as dumb as the people who browse these threads

>>82110621
How dumb do you have to be to get mad at someone making good guess about the comic?

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>>82109953
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=4&p=001275
The entire sequence

how dumb do you have to be to get disappointed at an ending meant to make you disappointed

>>82110621
>meant to make you mad
How is this an excuse
>wow what the fuck why did you punch me in the face bro?
>haha what an idiot, I punched you in the face to make you mad and now you're mad

>>82110684
IT'S JUST A PRANK BRO

>>82110545
Did the game ruin everything?

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>>82110483
>i didn't retcon it
>i just altered the plot retroactively
ok wow i forgot just how awful the formspring was
does anybody have the huge fucking essay he wrote to justify hussnasty

>>82110724
Absolutely.

>>82110724
he did

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>>82107517
Congratulations on your successful bait.

>>82110545
I wonder how horrified and ashamed 2008-ish Hussie and present Hussie would be about each other.

>>82110621
Anon, just because the school bullies are trying to get a reaction out of you doesn't mean you're stupid for getting mad after three years of ignoring them.
You're not letting them "win" by being mad just because they want you to be. That's just an unhealthy mindset.

>>82110730
That's clearly not a retcon though, it's just a shitty twist reveal thing
Why does no one know what retcon means

>>82110730
Why was he justifying hussnasty style did people get upset over it?

>>82110724
The comic was already on the decline, but the game only made things worse.

>>82110821
they were terrified that was how the comic was going to look from that point on

>>82110489
I'm still slightly annoyed the revival mechanic wasn't explained further in the comic, given that during the retcon meteor journey they clearly interacted with god tiered life players who should have been able to revive the murdered trolls, why the hell didn't they revive them?

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>>82108998
here's my take

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>>82111037
kek'd

>>82110982
Pretty sure only a Maid of Life can do the revive thing.
Of course that raises the question of why they didn't just have Jane revive everyone once they got to B2 rather than Vriska's retarded "let's hold onto the kernelsprites as extra lives" plan.

Do you think his next comic will allow readers to put in inputs?

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>>82111037
Fucking perfect.

>>82111037
Well done and kek.
Any plans for the other one?

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>>82111037
>rosie

otherwise I love it

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SEPULCHRITUDE

>>82110982
The justification, as flimsy as it is, was that WV wasn't quite dead and only a Maid of Life can revive the dead. Although that still left open the huge question of why they didn't get Jane to try to revive the dead trolls.

>>82111123
rosie sounded like a cuter thing to say

>>82111037
make Rosie "mom" and its perfect

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>>82111123
>implying she won't call her rosie

>>82111037
A+

>>82111174
>John names his and Roxy's kid "Rose" as the ultimate prank

>>82111086
>>82111149
Ah okay, see that makes a bit more sense initially, I thought perhaps there'd be a more convoluted justification like the Life player has to be in an active session to revive people, given how abusable the dream selves abilities could conceivably end up.

As for the latter point you'd think Arquius and Terezi would have tried a bit harder to have their friend revived. The whole situation is pretty fucked, especially how Terezi just kind of goes along with Vriska on the matter.

>>82111234
>The whole situation is pretty fucked, especially how Terezi just kind of goes along with Vriska on the matter.

the only person she killed was Tavros, which was in self defense, which is unfortunately legal as hell so Terezi would be fine with it

see: the Hateful Eight

Homestuck's ending was so sparse and answered so little that people have to rely on a character's proximity to another to determine endgame ships rather than, y'know, dialogue. What the fuck happened?

>>82111318
Hussie Zahaak

>>82111277
You'd think Terezi would want to bring back Nepeta and Feferi and I guess Equius though.

>>82111277
I meant her withholding the kernel revives, the Tavros situation is still pretty fucked though.

>>82111277
>self defense
>when vriska murdered Arcadia And paralyzed tav

>>82111234
Do people really forget that the trolls don't really give a shit about others not in their quadrants

>>82111318
Ambiguous ships were intentional to try to keep shippers complacent so they will buy more shit.

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>>82111357
>Arcadia

Let's be real, Vriska is ALWAYS in the wrong because she's VRISKA. If Scratch and the Handmaid warped in and beat the shit out of a defenseless grub Vriska 2-on-1, little grub Vriska would STILL have been in the wrong.

>>82111372
What? That's not how it works.

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>>82111318

>>82111406
You will never be able to use that really specific reaction image again

>>82107313
>http://tenseimusic.tumblr.com/post/143225909055/ill-have-to-do-some-explaining-for-this-one-ive
hoooly fuck this is good

>>82111428
Do you think Dave and Jade let Karkat watch sometimes?

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>>82111460
/co/ has those stupid phone threads all the time, though.

>>82111428
Why are Dave and Jade the only ones not to wear the starter outfits in the ending?

>>82108255
lol'd at AD here

>>82108476
they were great. Calliope is a completely pointless character but she is just Caliborn afterbirth. the only problem with them is Araneas pointless and ultimately harmful infodump. their backstory shit should have either been left mysterious or explained in a much better way, or ideally be something completely different than what we actually got which actually matters to the story. something like, they're actually a divided Karkat, after shenanigans.

>>82111526
It means Davejade is CANON

WHO WAS VRISKA'S SOURCE

HOW DID SHE MAKE A PERFECT PLAN

did she die

Weren't were we just talking about Problem Sleuth?

>>82111562
Time travel

I will never read Whistles the Clown

>>82111507
He sleeps at the foot of their bed.

>>82111562
sober rose

>>82111562
two seers on the meteor phamily

>>82111589
It's not that good.
I like the art though.

>>82111526
Dave's baseball shirt is much more closely tied with his character than the default white shirt is.

>>82111562
Cueball.

QUICK
Post good Homestuck fansongs for me to listen to
Bandcamp, Tindeck, Youtube, I don't care just post'em

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>>82108389
Fan commands would be impossible with the size and toxicity of the fanbase

>>82111589
you come into my house and then you say this to me
how could you

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>>82111589
That's extremely disappointing.

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>>82107636
fuckin zahhaks and their infatuation with lowbloods is the highest form of tragicomedy

>>82111562
Wait for the Epilogue*

*Hiveswap, available on Steam only $29.99

>>82111595
>>82111608
>>82111621
You can't see into that session, remember?

Wait, was that actually just for the Game Overed timeline, as a hint that it wasn't considered real by Pspace?

>>82109953
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=4&p=000567

Yeah not the most original but still makes me smile to this day. It's the quote that makes it.

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>>82111639
goddamn it i hate how the social climate made hussie delete this shit

>>82108501
That guy looks too old but otherwise pretty spot on.

>>82111562
She's a big 8itch

>>82111638
http://tindeck.com/users/Trogg
Anything with a Homestuck-related picture is top-tier. You can't find a better fan musician than Trogg.

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>>82111507
Watch their kids? Yes.

>>82111674
Hiveswap will have nothing to do with Homestuck.

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>>82108389
>the next MSPA
anon...

>>82111640
>>82111648
Meaning I cannot find it anywhere

>>82108389
>the next MSPA
Not happening

One day I want to create an adventure on par with Problem Sleuth.

Problem Sleuth combination of point n click presentation, parodying RPG and vidya game mechanics, and overall inane and contrived bullshit, really gave me a rock hard boner. I want to see more shit like this.

>>82111711
the main characters are Harleyberts

>>82111675
Cue balls see everything.

She probably looked into it before using it to make Caledfwlch for Dave.

>>82110724
Probably. The guy had millions stolen from him and put toward developing an entirely different game, forcing him to essentially re-start the development process from scratch.

Combine that with the rocky relationship he had with Rachel and their subsequent break-up, and well. That's the new Hussie for you.

>>82111755
Make a Text Adventure. There's a website for it that's pretty easy but it's kind of hard to make a really long one. It's what I'm trying to do.

>>82111782
They can't see into voided areas, remember? That was a thing that foiled even Scratch.

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Someday, when you least expect it...

>>82111732
Holy shit it goes for 60 bucks on Amazon? I got mine for like 5 bucks back in 2010. Too bad I'll never sell it.

I'd scan it but I don't want to break the binding. If you really can't find it anywhere, I'll take photos of all the pages and fix them up for you.

>>82111833
Hussie hates Spades Slick. He would never make an adventure about him.

>>82111648
Someone post the pages where his arm gets chopped off.
>>82111732
Someone storytimed it way back when and didn't finish the storytime so I googled it and it led me to reddit which had a link of all the pages.

>>82111698
>when she breaks your fucking legs

>>82111806
He broke up with her? Awesome.

>>82111732
chapter 1 - https://imgur.com/a/K5Q2J#0
chapter 2 - https://imgur.com/a/qxzzt#0
chapter 3 - https://imgur.com/a/3W9pL#0

there's also an unfinished chapter that Hussie had as a preview on his website, I'll see if I can find it

>>82111698
>when she breaks into your house wearing a fairy dress and attempts to rape you

>>82111709
Trogg is a fucking beast. Do you have any idea where he is now? His music is good enough to be on any of the official albums.

>>82111675
Pretty sure it's just Roxy's influence

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>>82110821
because that rose was fucking ugly.
every other character he drew in hussnasty mode was fine.

>>82111855
>>82111885
Oh shit thanks!

>>82111862
It was a while ago, anon. Rumor was that she was cheating on him, so he bailed and started fucking some chick from Nevada.

>>82111848
There was one point in time where you could get it for just the cost of shipping

I'm glad I got it when it was cheap, I got it autographed by Hussie at a con

Calliope's name isn't supposed to be pronounced the same way as her trollsona's name, right?

>>82111932
And? Roxy was only dead for a tiny piece of that timeline, BEFORE that.

>>82111969
But it is. Callie Oh-Pee. Don't tell me you've been saying "Callie Ohp" this whole time.

>>82111977
I have no idea what you're trying to say

>>82111612
It's pretty good.
In the last unfinished chapter he introduces a character whose basically Proto-Eridan.

>>82111949
Who was she cheating on him with?

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>>82111977
>the period of time Roxy was dead in the Main Timeline allowed for Vriska to formulate a proper strategy through omniscience, thus allowing for the game to be won

If hussie thought that through its rather clever

>>82111969
It's not. Her name's pronounced Cuh-lie-oh-pee.

>>82111996
You're also mispronouncing it, anon. The first part doesn't rhyme with "alley", it rhyme with "a lie".

>>82111949
I seriously doubt any of that is true but I'm glad she's gone