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Mango Juice - Edition

>Upcoming Releases:
http://www.swbooks.net/updates/release-2016.htm

>Out This Week:
Obi Wan and Anakin #4 (of 5)
Vader Down TPB

>Star Wars Canon Guide:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t1KovH_1GYLDTAe3yrleeWiuzwulm670o_anQqr5Rcg/pubhtml

>Download links: (Check here for new Rebels Episodes + Books, Comics, Films, etc)
http://pastebin.com/nWsKtSya

>The Clone Wars Legacy Content:
http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/the-clone-wars-legacy
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So this is Sabine's mom, right?
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>>82029528
No, just the bitch who took charge of Mandalore after Maul and his people got chased off.
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>Bow before the true Lords of the Sith.
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So what's Mandalore like now?

Have they been culturally enriched?
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>>82029717
So the word Mandalorian usually refers to people in the Mandalorian organization, which is named for Mandalore, the leader of said organization.
Mandalore is named after "Mandalore", which is a planet that Mandalore came from.
People that come from "Mandalore" are "Mandalorians" but they aren't necessarily Mandalorians. Nor are Mandalorians necessarily "Mandalorians".

How did this happen?
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>>82029791
It reminds me of Vegeta, 'Vegeta' and "Vegeta".
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>>82029791
Expunged univarse
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>>82029791
It no longer refers to an organization, a Mandalorian is an individual from Mandalore.
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> there are still people who believe Anakin literally had no father, who didn't think that Shmi simply didn't want to talk about her past.
> that he is not just some kid, who just happen to be very strong in the Force
> that he was just more or less manipulated his whole life (by Palpatine and, in a less insidious way, the Jedi), because of his power and the fact that he is supposedly the "chosen one" .
> that in his final moments he could finally act out of free will, saving his son and gain his forgiveness before dying in peace.
That Luke was high on Ewok mushroom and imagined he saw the ghost of his father.
Dammit ! I hate that Force Ghost.
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>>82029824
VAJEETA
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>>82029791
it's like how being jewish is an ethnic thing and also a religious thing, but not always both at the same time because you have non-practicing jews and jewish converts
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>>82030055
>who just happen to be very strong in the Force
What's up with that horseshit anyways? Apparently he had a higher power level than Yoda as an 8-year-old, yet he doesn't seem to be any stronger than Obi-Wan as an adult.
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>>82031183
Anakin had more midichlorians, that doesn't mean he had the same ability as Yoda.
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Anakin was always so sure Padme was carrying a girl, surely he would have sensed twins. Is Luke a magic force baby like his father created to restore balance after Anakin fucked up?
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>>82031449
No, Luke's just a fucboi.
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>>82027347
You can really tell Lucas was using TPM to show us the Star Wars he always envisioned. Naboo and Courscant are breathtaking.
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>Rebels season 3 finale ends with the Rebels attacking the facility where Inquisitors are trained.
>Ezra comes across Inky younglings, children only taked away a few years ago.
>Ezra has his own dark side moment slaughtering these kids.
>mfw
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>>82029528

Probably, with pottery and all that.
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>>82031475
>>82031449
Luke confirmed best girl.
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Hey, this is for the anon that wanted the higher resolution of that Mcquarrie Coruscant Square art piece.
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>>82032201
Well, at least they're happy.
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>>82031183
HIGH
GROUND
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>>82032157
didnt this area show up in TCW?
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>>82033111
Yes. Don't know which episode though.
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>>82033171
some shit about blackouts on Coruscant
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>>82033171
The one where Satine was framed.
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>>82033257
And I literally only just got why she's called Satine. I blame the fact that she looks nothing like Nicole.
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gonna be a sad day when they run out of mcquarrie art work to plunder
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reposting those minor Bloodline spoilers from TFN:

"BRIEF reappearance of a major group that was pretty prominent in post ROTJ legends, but hinting at their similar nature

Exact timeline of things may not be what you'd expect.

Analogs of modern US politics

Clerks.

This really is essentially going to be the Cloak of Deception for the sequel trilogy (which coincidentally I started reading two days ago) but at this point I'm still not sure just how much they're going to unravel as far as back story for anything besides Leia departing the New Republic.

So, like, don't get your hopes too high for anything like too much Ben back story. Just a bit of vague timeline shuffling. I should finish up tomorrow.

There will be a breakout lit character from this

There is a character from Lost Stars (which I may be compelled to finally read after this), and another possible LGBT character (at least thats how I'm reading him/her)

I'm not gonna spoil any specific details besides the book sort of sprinkles various tidbits of TFA background info throughout instead of laying it all down at once and sort of leaving you scratching your head since they didn't explicitly date this book to begin with.

I do wanna say Ben is 23ish in this novel."
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>>82033667
mite be cool
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>>82031869
bahaahahaha all that pottery wont fit dummy
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>>82031183
Because reaching your potential isn't instant. Anakin had a slow growth, basically. He's potentially incredibly powerful, but didn't have the time needed to get that way going the normal road, and may never have unless he'd been constantly pushing himself.

It also plays into the dark side being a quick path to power, too.

Consider Yoda and Palpatine, evenly matched with Yoda on a slight edge around the time of Episode III. Yoda has had centuries to work towards his full strength, Palpatine decades. But Palpatine had a quicker and easier route than Yoda, though ultimately the dark side forces a higher price.
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http://terribleminds.com/ramble/2016/04/20/an-open-letter-to-the-bring-back-legends-star-wars-fans/
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>>82031183
Anakin was still powerful, he did make the Light and Dark Side embodiments bow before him. Anakin's skills shined on charisma and lightsaber though. He didn't star to hone his Force related skills until he was in the suit as Vader, because the suit allowed him to shut out the world and focus only on the Force. If Qui-Gon had taught Anakin, he'd be a lot more Force oriented and be a lot more powerful honestly, that and Qui-Gon would have reeled Anakin in a lot better than Obi-Wan would have. Qui-Gon knew a ridiculous amount about the Force honestly.
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>>82034188
>Chuck Wendig
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>>82034188
Unfortunately for them, the way they've acted like spoiled rotten children has hurt their chances terrible, instead of acting like reasonable adults (which at least a few have). Besides the fact that the EU/Legends still existing has gone completely over their heads and they don't understand that it's an alternate universe scenario now, and the fact that all of it was never canon in the first place besides little nods here and there. They need to realize that Disney wants to focus on current projects within the new canon and that that doesn't stop them from exploring the old EU or creating new content on par with the best of the old EU too. But they refuse to accept any amount of common sense or logic and just throw childish fits. It's a glorious fiasco that they've driven home the final nail in the coffin themselves because of the way they've acted.
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>>82034188
>I also hope some of you stop your worst behaviors and your worst members. Because they have dominated this conversation and poisoned your efforts from within. It’s time to grow up and be better. Demonstrate your desires with love and outreach, not hate and spite. Even if that doesn’t get you what you want, it at least keeps the slate clean and ensures that nobody feels harassed.

Well damn, a broken clock is at least right twice. But yeah, we've been saying this for years after the EU was trashed/moved, you aren't going to get anything by acting like a petulant child.
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>>82034310
>you aren't going to get anything by acting like a petulant child.
As if that's ever stopped a bunch of autists from doing exactly that.
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>>82034188
>the part where he brags about Aftermath
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>>82034310
Too bad they won't. They'd don't get that Lucas would have eventually made Ep. 7-9 himself and that means wiping out the post-RotJ EU as well and deeming it non-canon, and why is does the rest of it get to stay, when that doesn't? It's unfair.

They really don't get that pushing the EU to the side for new material is for the best. The entirety was wiped to be fair, nobody should get special privileges, and that they don't understand, and still clearly don't.
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>>82034188
>cuck windig finally has some sense
>blows it by marketing his shitty novel
one job
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>>82034363
>>82034389
Some people will never get it and will continue to whine because, lets be honest, anger sustains a lot of people and gets the pageviews/hits. Hopefully, some people will understand that you'll attract flies better with honey rather than vinegar.

>>82034388
Yeah, he might have said some smart stuff(shit's that's been said countless times already) buy he's still Wendig.
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Less Legends, more lightsabers.
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Alright Nerfherders, post your favorite star-ships.
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>>82034689
>Less cancer, more cancer
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>>82034689
Which lightsaber color is better?
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Royalty went poking around the Star Wars set.

A Wings confirmed. Thanks, your majesty.
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>>82034836
Can't wait to see them in action, hopefully they aren't nerfed like they are in Rebels.
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>>82031183
The Terrorist organization known as the Jedi were even afraid of this new weapons potential.

They already had hard enough time controlling him, wouldn't want him to suddenly go berserk at full power. Gotta hold him back.

He went berserk on them anyways dohoho
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>>82034689
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>>82034689
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz4qYnRyrBs
>Star Wars Battlefront: Bespin DLC - DETAILS REVEALED
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>>82034830
Red works best with this one I think
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>>82034689
Is there an in-universe reason for why lightsabers have such uncomfortable hilts?
Is it so normies would have a harder time using them?
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Would you look at that!
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why were there metal gears in the new issue of Obi-wan and anakin
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>>82035465
>>82035582
It's out?
Where?
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>>82035465
Storytime when?
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>>82035465

who dat?
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>>82035602

torrents...kat
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>>82035602
Learn to use the damn Win-O thread
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>>82035465
Is that fucking Revan?
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>>82035465

Intredasting
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>>82034830
Octarine.
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>>82035465
CONFIRMED
Now you guys can stop crying.
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Now I'm seeing /ss/ everywhere.
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>>82035465
We in.
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>>82035465
OH SHIT
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>>82035927
>I can do it better
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>>82033667
>yfw Independant Contractors
Or would it just be some other reference?
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>>82035465
That looks like it might just be a face in a shadow
Not a mando mask
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>>82036491
considering it's written by the author of Lost Stars and that concept was fairly well used in that book, i'd say it's the same sort of thing
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Assuming there'll be sale on SW games on the 4th, which should I go for? KOTOR I and II are already on my list, but people say a lot of positive things about Jedi Academy and Battlefront as well.
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>>82037005
Republic Commando is great
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>>82037005
I'd get Battlefront 2, Jedi Knight series, Empire at War, and Republic Commando
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>>82035465
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>>82036674
>>82037209
Yeah, it sort of looks more like a face than a mask.
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>>82037005
Jedi Academy, Battlefront II and Republic Commando. Buy those.
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>>82029791
Didn't they come from Coruscant when it was still a jungle world and then the race that was originally known as mandalorians died out and different other races kept their warrior traditions living?
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>>82037223
Now make them smile, it'd be a cute reaction image.
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>>82034830
Yellow ones supreme.
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Did you get him anything, /swco/?
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>>82037209
I ran it through captionbot and confirmed its not Revan.
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>>82037305
Why would I, Serkis' a confirmed jerk. He constantly lords how it's his acting ability that carries things and that the 3D stuff can never be so good to truly capture everything etc.

No offense, but shitting on an entire branch of work and the different companies that make the actual memorable character because you think yourself better if pretty haughty, especially since most people won't remember him, only the different characters. And Snoke's just not interesting.
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>>82037367
Revan with an umbrella?
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>>82037305
Happy birthday, Smeagol
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>>82037402
Revan is a person. He could be doing Singin' in The Rain.
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>>82037005
Battlefront 2, KotoR 1 and 2, Rogue Squadron 3D, the Jedi Knight games, Republic Commando are all fantastic.

Empire at War is hit or miss, but if you like strategy games, it might be worth trying. Space battles are generally agreed to be fun, but the game is lacking in a lot of areas, and ground battles are dull, but skippable.

I actually hate trying to play old games like the X-Wing series because I feel they haven't aged well, but depending on your experience with old stuff, you may enjoy them better.
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Never forget.
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>>82035980
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>>82037279


>>82037367
Well, if captionbot says it's not Revan I guess it's confirmed.
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>>82037400
>snokes just not interesting
You are the worst
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aotc has a lot going for it visually. too bad the cgi and compositing often look bad
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5zQdcK8TrM
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>>82037636
This Anakin is qt.
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>>82037163 >>82037195 >>82037229 >>82037502
Thanks for the recs guys, and for being good sports about it. Republic Commando and Rogue Squadron look promising as well, but I'll have to see if there's a sale and how much they might be off. Ditto on the old games though, I was born in the early nineties so my first game experiences are with late 90s/early 2000s stuff.
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>>82038156
>1:20
Dat bearded Ithorian
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>>82038156
>Star Wars Land will have better locations than TFA
HAH
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>>82038156
This reminds me of that Star Trek thing they used to have in Vegas.
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>>82037990
His design is very, very boring. Yeah, saber scarring and the fucked ribcage are at least something but there's a lot more they could've done design-wise instead of Voldemorts and Sheevs son.
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>>82037636
T-This is great.
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It's quite clearly a face, I was a little unsure at first, but you can see the outling of eye dipping into the cheekbone on the left side of the face and the nose outline.
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>>82038885
I'm holding judgement until we get a name.
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Anyone knows where i can get the rest of the 'Adventures in Wild Space' books?
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>>82037502
Man, I can't wait for the Summer Sale. Get to play some of the old greats on the cheap and catch up on the ones I never got to play.
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>>82038885
God, can you imagine how mad people will be if it isn't?
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>>82029881
Still raises questions about their colony systems, frankly. Can't say about Rako Hardeen given he's wearing proto Boba Fett armor, however Jango being from Concord Dawn, shit son. What the hell? It's possible the Mandos took it over recently, but I'd guess not given it was called a colony which implies active Mando settlements, that broken ass planet doesn't look too recent and it was almost certainly their fault. It's possible there might be non-Mando settlements that still fall under their jurisdiction.

But the kicker is the implied implications. No, not that Jango is Mandalorian again. They could do it, and I suspect setting up Concord Dawn like this is an out for them in case they ever want to make him one again. Lucas is out, and him being Mando hasn't made it far into the material except for Almec. People still see the armor for him and Boba and just assume. That's got to be annoying. Anyway the implication if Jango isn't Mandalorian is that he's an in-universe Mandoboo. A wannabe. A poseur.

I'm sure when confronted he's like, "I-it's just that you verds have the most jatnese beskar'gam, muh burc'ya."
"Stop appropriating our culture!"
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>>82039271
It will be glorious
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>>82029791
>>82029824
If force using was popular among mandalorians, they would be the saiyans of the Star wars galaxy
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>>82039271
>tfw it is Revan, but literally everything about him is different, backstory, power, the games, etc.
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>>82037400
>3D stuff can never be so good to truly capture everything
That is just him stating fact
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>>82039271
I don't think anyone will care actually.

He'll just come back in some other way :^)
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>>82039660
As Snoke
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>>82035465
If it is Revan it will probably be the only thing we get for a while. I read somewhere that they wanted to put Revan in clone wars but had to use Bane instead. So we can assume that someone over at Lucasfilm or Disney is pushing for a KOTOR movie. Which i would like if they made it into a trilogy, first one is the mandalorian wars, the second is the Jedi Civil war and the third one is the redemption arc.
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>>82039742
That'd be crazy
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>>82039747
Originally it was going to be Revan and Bane during the Ghosts of Mortis episode that were controlling the Son, but Filoni talked Lucas out of it over the whole "Sith shouldn't be Force Ghosts thing and controlling the Son, it should be the other way around", but Filoni still wants to get Revan in somehow.

Eventually they just went with Bane for Yoda's vision and that was that. With the Old Republic nods in Rebels, and the potentiality of Traya being there, we might see some Revan before long.
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>>82039742
>tfw he's actually Malak and that's why part of his jaw is crushed (they just didn't want to go full of dismemberment)
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>>82039837
>Malek who takes up Darth Revan's cloak and mask
>Declares "I'm Revan now!"

Later debates with his Dark Privy Council if he should change his name to Darth Naver because that's like reverse Revan and also pretty cool Sithy pun name, like calling yourself "Darth Never". Then someone made the mistake of saying, "I wish!"
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>>82040050
>Malak/Snoke trying to convince Kylo Ren to shave his head to be more like him
>Kylo refuses
>Says Vader didn't have any hair either
>Kylo's eyes glow and he immediately begins trying to cut it off with the lightsaber and cuts his damn jaw off
>Malak sitting there like "He's just like me, I'm so proud, ARE YOU PROUD REVAN, ARE YOU PROOOOUUUUD?!"
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>>82040050
>>82040144
I have no idea of Malek but he sounds like a lot like the frat guys I know.
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>>82040050
>Darth Naver

I read that as 'Darth Nader' and immediately thought of Hardware Wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGDdFuDwTZ8
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>>82040172
That was rude anon, Malak is an upstanding butthurt Sith.
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>>82040224
Holy shit.

It's Baron Underbheit
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>>82040224
I always wondered if he could fire beams out of his throat bulb and the metal jaw was just containing his powers. Like Cyclops from X-Men.
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>>82040224
How does he eat?
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>>82040270
Yeah kind of actually.
>>82040272
I hope he can shoot force lightning for it. I wander if he ever tried to go after Jarael again, asking her if she loved him now and getting all butthurt, so that's why he destroyed Taris, just sitting there like, "I need an excuse to destroy this place and Bastilla isn't enough of one...wait I know...Zayne!"
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>>82040330
The same way Vader eats, remove the shit and shove a tube down there, or through IVs.
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>>82040367
FEED ON ANGER!
PURE HATE OSMOSIS!
LIKE TRUE SITH!
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>>82040224
Ah yeah, sorry about that whole, I cut your lower jaw and tongue out.
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>>82040224
Man, that's a weak-ass lower jar design, how unimaginative.
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>>82040330
Same way Grievous gives sustenance to his organs.
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>>82040693
While true, Malak has a great voice and some speeches, so it all works out.
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Based Pabby
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Soon.
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>>82040748
Pah, what use is power and speech charisma if you bore people with a metal band instead of a lower face?
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CORTOSIS GEAR?!?!?!
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>>82040954
A REAL METAL GEAR?
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>>82040802
Why are Ezra's scars on the wrong side of his face?
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>>82039742
If Snoke actually is a named character, that is the only reveal I could imagine that would actually live up to people's expectations.
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>>82041086
Anon flipped the image to make his point
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>>82039282
>however Jango being from Concord Dawn, shit son. What the hell? It's possible the Mandos took it over recently, but I'd guess not given it was called a colony which implies active Mando settlements,

Pablo's recently implied the possibility that Jango may not actually be from Concord Dawn.

Though at the very least, I still think the Protectors went to Concord Dawn after all their warriors were banished from Mandalore to Concordia.
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>>82040852
Look at all those pretty ribbons and braids! Truly this is the most darling lass on the battlefield!
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>>82034874
Well, those on Rebels are the prototypes. Still got some things to fine tune.

What's everyone think about the B-Wing? Are they gonna have the hyper death ray, but the rebellion only has about 8 of 'em in the entire fleet; or was that cut for cost/safety reasons, and now they just a a lotta guns and torpedoes?
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>>82040224
Nightmare fuel.
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>>82040692
>>82040748
I still love the "You are eager for blood Revan, as am I. Very well, you shall have your wish." line.
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>>82040802
Nope, in the book Snoke said he was around during the clone wars
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>>82037005
Avoid Rebel Assault. They're weird on rails FMV shooters with terrible hit detection.
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>>82040954
This is the separatists ultimate weapon - Death Gear. It is equipped with Excercise extreme caution. It is equipped with cortosis armoring and miniature superlaser. And it is a good friend.
Good luck, Anakin,
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>>82041238
A few problems. The most obvious is even if Jango's homeworld is transplanted it still runs into the, haha, grievous issue that people see the armor and think Mandalorian. They judge the book by the cover, and when there is very little evidence to refute it, and I mean actual material in books or shows or movies, not just statements made behind the scenes which most people are surely blissfully unaware of, it's a very easy mistake to make. I don't care of Jango is some douche with a hardon for their armor or a TRUE MANDO'A VODE AN, but I can see how it will always be a problem with the two characters. Frankly I wouldn't blame them if they finally relented. Know why? Because it wouldn't matter a damn. Jango would still be a bounty hunter doing skeezy shit for money, Boba would just be his clone who wants to follow in his daddy's footsteps but has an extreme kryptonite reaction to blind guys. Big whoop all around.

The second problem is that apparently the warriors were kicked off of Mandalore such a long time ago they are believed to have died out and the moon's forests have returned with the fighting gone. Takes quite a long time for that much woodland to grow. Still well within the lifetime of Jango whereas Almec initially acted like they'd all died out It was only when Obi-Wan mentioned he'd fought Jango that Almec dismissed Jango as just some dude in armor.

The third problem is just a bit of a continuity snarl. The Republic is aware of living Mando warriors, they've hired some. The easiest fix is that talking about their colonies, which could easily be doing their own things regardless of politics on the homeworld, isn't the same as dealing with warriors still on Mandalore. The Protectors are just guys on a colony who live by their people's ancient skills and reputation, plus they aren't enemies. It'd be different from the Mandalorian culture going warrior again as a resurgent warrior way on the homeworld will no doubt influence the colonies.
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>>82041786
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>>82041928
Also Mandalore was head of those 2000 neutral systems. If Mandalore goes warrior and joins the CIS that's a very big deal as far as the Republic is concerned.

Not to overplay it, they don't govern those 2000 systems, only represent them, but the influence of Mandalore could convince some to ally against the Republic. Even a fraction of those worlds going over to the enemy would be a cause for concern. It's why Maul's move was pretty damn clever. Seize influence and push those worlds onto a path of his choosing. Not that he ever got the chance but given Sidious sensed him at that point I'd say it was a very real threat imparted through the Force.
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>>82038203
this >>82037195 >>82037502
ALthough Dark Forces (the first JK game) has aged terribly, better skip it. And it's just a Doom clone anyway. I hear there's a fan remake on JK2 engine.)
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>>82038885
What is this and where from?
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>don't play rebebl assault!
>don't play xwing!
>don't play dark forces!

What in the actual fuck is going on in this thread
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>>82042429
The latest Obi-Wan and Anakin comic.
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>>82041238
The Mando warrior clans nearly killed themselves off "ages ago" and what was left was exiled by the non-suicidally war prone Mandos. Pre Vizsla "resurrected" their warrior ways. Largely with Dooku's support, which I assume means money and resources.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/death-watch

I don't think Fenn Rau's dudes are anywhere near as big as Death Watch, or at least that one base (which may have been their only base) wasn't all that impressive. A relatively small organization apparently self-declared as protectors of their colony system. Police, militia, national guard, all rolled into one. Strong enough at least that the Empire felt it work hiring them as watchdogs and skilled enough that the Republic hired them for training purposes.
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>>82041532
The Rebels ones aren't prototypes. They're actual A-Wings.

I think the death ray will be kept, and that they will iron out the bugs when they design proper parts for it.
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>>82042662
Even if they can't work out the bugs, as such, what would you rather have? A hyperdrive or a gun that can take out an Imperial light frigate with one shot? You keep the goddamn gun is what you do and then you use transports to carry them, like they did with the Phantom in Rebels.

Only reason I can see them getting rid of it is if it's discovered it's a kyber based weapon. Quarrie just thinks he's using rocks with special properties, Kanan later senses it's using the Force as a weapon and a big taboo. And that's based only on the way the superlaser has collector beams similar to the Death Star (which isn't really an issue because the Republic had artillery walkers that used a similar design as far back as AotCs) and therefore it's another clue to the Death Star. Because that still seems to be their end game is discovering the Empire is mining Kyber on Lothal for their ultimate weapon.
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>>82042801
>it's discovered it's a kyber based weapon. Quarrie just thinks he's using rocks with special properties, Kanan later senses it's using the Force as a weapon and a big taboo
Ithink crystal shortage would be a more likely reason.
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Does KOTOR run just fine on a modern machine, or do I need some additional stuff?
Also, can I play it with just the mouse?
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>>82042562

>http://www.starwars.com/databank/death-watch
>The warrior clans of Mandalore were believed to have been wiped out ages ago,

>ages ago

I don't think this is right (and the databank has fucked up a couple of times). They weren't exiled "ages ago". They were exiled within Satine's lifetime. Specifically their last civil war that left the surface of Mandalore inhospitable. It was why Qui-gon and Obi-wan were sent there to protect her.

>I don't think Fenn Rau's dudes are anywhere near as big as Death Watch

I don't think the Protectors needed to be a particularly large organization since their actual/original function were royal guards. These were guys who, while part of the warrior culture of Mandalore, probably didn't actually fit into the clan system. Could be why they chose not to join Death Watch when it formed. They probably recognized Satine over Vizsla, even though Satine and her regime rejected theer warrior traditions, and subsequently, the Protectors that would've been bound to protect her.
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>>82043224
It runs fine, KOTOR 2 had problems running on modern pcs but got patched.
What do you mean with just the mouse? No keyboard? it plays fine with mouse and keyboard controls
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>>82043224
There can be issues running it, but KoToR should run fine.

The Sith lords is the one that really has issues, but since the Steam release, its much better.

The game can be played exclusively with a mouse, but the keyboard can be useful.

Gamepad optional.
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>>82043224
They run fine.
The only problem you will have is with KOTOR 1, it doesn't have proper resolution settings so you'll have to download external programs to fix that.
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>>82041238
>Pablo's recently implied the possibility that Jango may not actually be from Concord Dawn.
Source?
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>>82043224
KotOR runs fine, KotOR 2 I believe has some issues with Window Mode I believe, KotOR 1 might as well, but I don't remember.

Either way, they should be easy fixes.
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>>82043372
>>82043322
>>82043316
Thanks, friends.
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>>82043233
Why are you assuming Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were protecting Satine from warrior Mandalorians? She was facing violent backlash against her fledgling New Mandalorian government and those assholes had to hire bounty hunters. The warrior clans were already long shattered, that doesn't mean that everyone was happy to goose step into line for a puff on her peace pipe. Also no doubt Mandalore has acquired a long list of enemies abroad who wouldn't mind seeing the world dying instead of trying to restore itself under even a peaceful government because there's always the risk they could eventually return to their old ways.

The protectors seem not much different organizationally from Death Watch in that they aren't any single clan.

Regardless of what the organization was in the past they obviously weren't serving as any royal guard during the Clone Wars era. Satine's guards were a joke.
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>tfw saber parts doesn't do curved hilts

I have failed you.
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>>82043807
Draw your own or copy and paste them into an amalgamation.
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>No one else thinks Galactic Battlegrounds was a classic star wars game
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>>82043807
Saberparts is run by a douchebag anyway. I'd rather use any other saber company than saberforge for my shit.
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>>82044008
Holy shit that guy is a douche.
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>>82044008
Bane?
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>>82037636
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Would you live on Mandalore during the Clone Wars era?
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>>82044190
>Not wanting to live on glorious Coruscant
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>>82044262
>Glorious Coruscant
>Over 1000 sublevels of filth and crime
Yeah, nah.
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>>82044312

This.

Also, the commute just to get to your apartment must be horrible considering those buildings are 10000000 stories tall.

Unless you're upper class, living in Coruscant must be the pits.
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>>82044312
>>82044337
Just think of all the alien prostitutes you could meet there
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>>82044262
>>82044190
>Not wanting to live on Ryloth
>Not wanting to become a champion of downtrodden Twi'leks
>Not wanting free headtail sex whenver you want it

Shit taste.
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>>82038278
Some of the concepts are actually discarded TFA ones, most notably the bar with the Twi'lek Mermaid tank
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>>82031869
>they pick up lightsabers, trying to fight him off, showing they've already been fucked up a good bit
>punished Ezra, a fallen apprentice
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>>82044312
>>82044337

>All these country bumpkins

I'd live on Coruscant and fuck so much illegal Twi poon I'd die of some cannibalising space syphillis within a month.
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>>82043593
>Why are you assuming Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were protecting Satine from warrior Mandalorians? She was facing violent backlash against her fledgling New Mandalorian government and those assholes had to hire bounty hunters

Because they're the most logical people who would oppose her the most. Before her, Mandalore was ruled entirely by their warriors. And then there comes Satine enacting an enormous cultural reform. It's like how the Samurai reacted to the Meiji restoration and Japan's overall modernization of the time. Only the Mandalorians were way more extreme.


>that doesn't mean that everyone was happy to goose step into line for a puff on her peace pipe.

Apart from their die-hard warriors, I'd think everyone would've gone for what she was aiming to do in wake of a conflict that left their homeworld a barren wasteland.

>Also no doubt Mandalore has acquired a long list of enemies abroad who wouldn't mind seeing the world dying instead of trying to restore itself under even a peaceful government because there's always the risk they could eventually return to their old ways.

I'll give you that point.

>The protectors seem not much different organizationally from Death Watch in that they aren't any single clan.

All of Death Watch was seemingly different houses that held fealty to Clan Vizsla. Their symbol was even the crest of Clan Vizsla. At least until Darth Maul took over.

>Regardless of what the organization was in the past they obviously weren't serving as any royal guard during the Clone Wars era.

Because they were banished.

>Satine's guards were a joke.

I seem to recall them doing fairly well onboard the Coronet.
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>>82044423
>Wanting to live
>On Ryloth
>RYLOTH
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>>82044190
Naboo seems a nice place
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>>82044485

>Not wanting glorious Torgruta poon on Shili
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>>82044423
Seriously, when I saw him in the trailers, I raged so fucking hard my eyes turned nuclear yellow and my acting ability decreased to high school play-tier.

Fuck. Cham. Zindulla. He was one of the worst parts of one of the worst EU novels in the entire goddamned list. Worse than the Bane trilogy. I went there. Seriously, the entire book called 'LORDS OF THE GODDAMNED SITH' is about this whiny shit blowing up people and being a terrorist while chanting in his head 'freedom fighter, not a terrorist'. They spent about five seconds on the actual LORDS OF THE GODDAMNED SITH, and gave the rest of it to this vacillating cunt.

Mad as hell? Bet your last credit I fucking am.
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>>82035465
AND WE'RE BACK LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!
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>>82044312
That filthy Blade Runner aesthetic was something I always loved about TCW's depiction of the lower levels.
It was great to see the contrast of these Jedi and senators floating above everything while the planet's real inhabitants had to struggle just to survive.
If anything it showed how out of touch both groups were with the people they were supposed to be either representing or helping.
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>>82044692
I'd rather deny any thought that I find Ahsoka attractive, that goes for all Togruta as well.

Chris Hansen is never far away.
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>>82038008
Well it was the early 2000's, I'm still surprised it looked that good for 2002.
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>>82044706
Calm down, Sheev.
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>>82040692
>talk shit, get hit
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>>82040782
BASED
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>>82035602

Here you have anon
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>>82044190
Yeah sure, I'd raise little babby Sabine and be her nee-san.
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>>82044190
Screw Mandalorde.

I want to live on Mirial and meet those cute green/yellow-skinned girls.
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>>82045017
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>>82045044
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>>82045067
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>>82044312
Just like new york
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>>82044190
I would live in my own ship, visiting Coruscant or Naboo but not staying there too much.
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>>82044706
This was annoying, because everything in that book involving Vader and Palps was fantastic.
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>>82045108
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>>82045124
This guy gets it
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>>82045149
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>>82043372
You don't need to downloadanything,fixing ini isenough
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>>82045193
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>>82045226
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>>82045035
>As Ahsoka peaked through the bushes, her smile faded as she discovered Barriss showered in her clothing.
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>>82044190
I would liveon Rishi. It's so comfy. Literally space Tortuga.
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>>82045247

Page #8

>>82035465


Page #9
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>>82045376
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>>82044262
>not wanting to live on Naboo

It's safe from the conflict and it's fucking gorgeous all the time.
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>>82044008
> letting the person's attitude affect your opinion of the product
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>>82045405
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>>82044190
I'd live on Naboo or Dantooine. The open fields with the water and stuff would make for a romantic time...that I can waste by being a loser that nobody loves. ;_;
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>>82045459
Anon, I love you.
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>>82045443
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>>82045483
Gross, stop loving droids you sicko.
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>>82045485
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>>82045285
>Rishi
It'd be great is the people were also great
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>>82045485
Obi-wan this is why he became too attached to life and things...
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>>82045551
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>>82045583
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>>82045611
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>>82045516
O-ok.
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>>82045643
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>>82045854

I fucked

#18 its here >>82035465

And the #8 there >>82040954

#19 Here
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>>82046040
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>>82044526
>Because they're the most logical people who would oppose her the most.
Now if they're long gone as the new canon sources tell us. If there is another source beyond your assumptions, however logical (I also think it's a flawed logic because any culture that has a strong warrior heritage will have resistance even if they've put up the weapons, because Satine was viewed as attacking their proud culture).

Pre's Death Watch is a resurgence movement, a resurrection of their warrior lines. He flat out says as much. They aren't some unbroken warrior line who survived as a hidden enclave on Concordia. They're a return. You may not like it but that's flat out what multiple sources are saying.

>Because they were banished.
Seems more likely they're a remnant of the Journeyman Protectors still surviving in the colony of Concord Dawn. Nothing says they've been banished and kicked out. They aren't outlaws and they certainly aren't illegal. The Republic hired them.

>I seem to recall them doing fairly well onboard the Coronet.
Some of them survived, at least. Maybe.
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>>82046073
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>>82046040
>Anakin/Vader getting so many waifus in the comics
>still just Padme

You truly are the ultimate evil Anakin.
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>>82045035
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Can someone explain this little bit from Lando comics?? She was dating Lobot, but he didn't even know she's a woman?
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>>82034874
>nerfed
That's how the Rebels like to use their A-Wings. They stripped out the heavy armor, guns and shielding in favor of speed for the engines.

>>82041532
>Well, those on Rebels are the prototypes.
No, not in new canon. A-Wings were produced by Kuat to be successors to the eta-2 and V-wing starfighters. The Empire decided they didn't need them
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>>82046367
No. No no no no no. She didn't know LOBOT was a woman. Huge difference.
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>>82046590
Plus there is no way in hell any ship, regardless of how many people have it as their shipfu, will be completely perfect and awesome all the time and fly so flawlessly you wonder why Luke bothered with that shitty X-Wing (I don't think A-Wings have torpedo launchers, though).

Whatever is flown will be blown up for dramatic purpose. Same reason why TIEs have no shields, X-Wings have shields, but if you see them up against each other a single shot takes out either. Whatever ship was going to be used in Rebels was going to suffer attrition and alarming loses, because they're playing up how dangerous it is and how the fledgling Rebellion is even more at a disadvantage than the Alliance which was at least bigger and presumably had more recruits, resources, and ships available. Keeping up with the Empire as much as they have has been demonstrated as being a hellacious challenge, and rightly so!
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>>82034830
O R A N G E
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>>82047049
A good comparison, I think, is in TFA we see Poe's X-Wing disabled fairly easily, while when he and Finn stole a TIE it was taking hits from heavy cannons and was fine right up until it was needed to be shot down.

Now Pablo will probably tell you that Poe didn't have time to get his ship's shields up or the Resistance has to use substandard systems to get by or maybe the FO makes their Special Forces TIEs really super awesome against their own equipment. Or any other possibility. The real reason is of course drama. The script merely called for different things for the sake of the plot and the scene.
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>>82034727
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Oh yeah, speaking of Anakin & Obi Wan

Shitty OC
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>>82045443
No wonder he's mad at Ahsoka for leaving the order. She did everything he wanted too but had no courage to do it himself.
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>>82034727
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>>82047049
>I don't think A-Wings have torpedo launchers
They have (had) concussion missiles.
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>>82047484
Do you think Palpatine laughed like a kindly old man or went full sheev?
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>>82045405
HA HA

TIME FOR SHEEV OC
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>>82044477
Slices a bucket apart off screen while children scream
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>>82047761
He laughed like a kindly old man, but it had the undercurrent of darkness to it, like you just now that any second from now it will turn evil, but didn't.
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I'm a bit confused by what Sheev wanted with Vader/Anakin. In the RotS novel and film he seems genuinely concerned for Vader's welfare and rushes to get to him during the Mustafar duel, but then in the novel it kind of implies that he's happy with how Vader ended up. Surely he knows that Vader would have definitely surpassed and overthrown him had he been whole eventually, was he planning for that? If he wanted Vader crippled so as not to overthrow him, why is he looking for other apprentices in the comics and other EU? Then if he's looking for other apprentices, why is he bothering to actually teach Vader like he is the the Sith Lords novel?
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>>82048124
Palpatine has achieved what Bane wanted with rule of two, he intened to rule forever. He only cared about Vader's efficiency as an enforcer of his will.
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>>82048176

Why did he tell Yoda that Darth Vader would become more powerful than either of them, and why did he seem genuinely concerned when Vader was in trouble? And why did he go to the trouble of trying to find a 'whole' apprentice in the form of Luke?
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>>82032157
Why dose this look so comfy?
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>>82048323
Maybe trying to demoralize Yoda?
Because he just destroyed the Jedi, and apprentices don't just fallfrom the sky
Because Vader was fucked up and Luek was stronger
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>>82048323
Not that guy but, isn't that what Sith do?
There will always be two and when Vader got crippled Sheev just had to settle with what he got.
Then when Luke comes around he hatches a plan to get a new fresh apprentice since Vader has outlived his usefulness.
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>>82048323
Because Sidoius was always a strong supporter of the rule of two. Why did he want Luke to take his father's place at his side? Same. Younger, stronger, and less a threat because he wouldn't be as trained as Vader. Sidious was sincere when he told Yoda that Vader would be stronger than them, but it's more like the Sith version of, "Strike me down and I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." The notion that even if Yoda wins there is someone else to carry on the Sith. Why did Sidious try to flee from Yoda? He was legitimately worried about Yoda's abilities, and rightly so. Few could have fended off his lightning like that. It was a quirk of fate that sent Yoda falling and ended their duel. Either could have won that fight, instead it ended up that both lived despite their best efforts.

And afterward Vader still represented Sidious' best prospects for an apprentice. After all, he'd been working on him for over ten years, planting the seeds of Sith teachings. He doesn't want that investment ruined. Then after Vader survives even his horrific injuries he figures, why the hell not, let's fix him up and see what he's capable of. That's still something that greatly paid off for Sidious and his Empire.
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>>82031671
Lucas honestly should have pulled a Tolkein and focus on the world and rather than any characters or plot.
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So do you people think that the A-Wing being showed at the royalty-studio-walk is a modern version of the old A-Wing we see in the classical films? Just like the x-wing did change all over the years.

Really hope to see a B-wing in the new Movie (or on Rouge One)
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>>82048475
>just had to settle with what he got.
Let's not downplay it, Vader was a helluva benefit. In fact it's possible his injuries helped. He was less full of himself that he could take out the Emperor after Obi-Wan fried his ass. He was angrier but point him in the right direction and he'd kick the ass out of whatever stood in his way.

The hilarious thing is that after everything Anakin did, all his secret attachments the Jedi would have forbidden him, and ultimately were his reasons for going Dark Side - only when he was Vader, disfigured and armored, did he finally achieve a true dispassionate outlook and focus purely on his duties.
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>>82048176
>Bane wanted with rule of two, he intened to rule forever
In the fact he crushed the Jedi maybe
But Bane never wanted a master to rule forever.
At least in the old canon
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>>82048649
Bane didn't. Sheev did.
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>>82048632
Even if it's an older one it'll have upgraded systems, like the Falcon. Things that will explain why it isn't 100% like the ships in the OT, etc.

>Rouge One
Works every time.
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>>82048586
But Star Wars has always been about character drama.
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>>82048124
>but then in the novel it kind of implies that he's happy with how Vader ended up. Surely he knows that Vader would have definitely surpassed and overthrown him had he been whole eventually, was he planning for that?

Vader would've surpassed him with or without. Though based on what we've seen thanks to the books and comics, it looks like Vader's prostheses gave him an enormous boost in the dark side and made him more powerful than he might've been without. The artificial limbs and the suit made him better because it gave him pain, which fed his anger, which fed his hate and all of that fed his connection to the force. Were I Sidious I'd be pleased as hell.

>why is he looking for other apprentices in the comics and other EU?

I don't know about the EU other than that the EU made Vader out to be weakened by his prosthesis. In the new comics, I don't think they're potential apprentices at all. They think they are, and are made for Vader to think so as well, but in the end I think they're sole purpose is to test Vader. If one of them actually did manage to kill Vader, Sidious would've probably discarded them all soon thereafter.

>why is he bothering to actually teach Vader like he is the the Sith Lords novel?

To continue the Rule of two. Vader is his apprentice. The one he had been wanting for years. The one who he threw all others aside for. His intended heir for all intents and purposes.
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>>82048426
It has a warm atmosphere, the yellows and oranges really make the painting pop out. It feels like a warm night on the town, hell, you can probably hear the music and the dull murmur of hundreds of people talking and maybe smell a whiff of cooking food.

The pyramid like bars are really intriguing because it looks like you can go up levels depending on your mood. You can stay at the bottom and mingle with strangers or go to the very top and just hang out with your very best bros, and those floating balls just look like fun in a bun.
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>>82045459
>>82044665
Naboo gets invaded twice and has the freaking plague at one point
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>>82048426
Comfy my ass! Look at those guys trapped in those giant bubbles! I AM NOT A NUMBER I AM ANONYMOUS!
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>>82048815
What planet doesn't get invaded or infected with a plague once or twice in Star Wars?
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>>82048815
Don't forget Palpatine causes an artificial storm to destroy the planet
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>>82048858

>I AM NOT A NUMBER I AM ANONYMOUS!

Whatever you say, 82048858.
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>>82049005
That's just the post's number. They fricking give those things away for free, you know.
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>>82049114
>free
WHOA NO WAY
Gee Willikers
Where do I gotta go to get my post number!?
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>>82049133
It's all automatic! You can thank Obamacare!

>>82048986
The rogue weather control satellites. Of course he was dead at the time so no one can scream that "FORCE STORMS AREN'T CANON" because that's not what it was. I wish his creepy droids would show up again.
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>>82044008
>Thinking a lightsaber would affect the mighty Christoper Lee in anyway at all
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>>82049114
Watch your mouth, 82049114.
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>>82038371
>His design is very, very boring.
agreed

easily the most disappointing thing about TFA. that or that orange bitch
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>>82048815
Naboo is relatively fine during the Clone Wars, which is what the guy was asking.
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>>82049789
>that orange bitch
Is Maz still alive, or is she dead after the battle at her castle?
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>>82049884
they didn't show her dying so i assume she must have survived the attack. also she said something about a "story for another time"
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>>82049884
She survived, she runs off after she hands the lightsaber to Finn.

In the databook, it says she is Force Sensitive as well but never took the path of the Jedi. Considering she had Anakin's lightsaber, and some of the stuff with her that was cut, I wouldn't be surprised if she turns out to wield a lightsaber and fight like Yoda at some point in the ST. I don't see why anybody has a problem with her personally.
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>>82049914
>she said something about a "story for another time"
I think that was her way of saying
>bitch shut your mouth
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>>82049914
I hope that just means a bit of exposition in the next film and not an entire fucking movie about how Maz got the lightsaber
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>>82050012
Which is funny because they go over that in the databook, she just collected it because she likes collecting things of the past and happened to find it with her being force sensitive.

It's a fucking retarded reason because they can't legit think of a good reason why that lightsaber was found.
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>>82049995
She's a stupid edition. Like most of the fucking characters in the movie.
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>>82050105
>how'd you get that?
>I FOUND IT IN A CRACKA JACK BOX
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>>82050012
"Story for another time" is always shorthand for the writers not know how something happened and not wanting to bother coming up with a reason for it.
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>>82050131
Explain to me why her or most of the characters are stupid editions, and do it objectively.
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>>82050174
The visor on Wolfe's Phase II helmet was so stupid.
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>>82050174

I can't help but think that if TCW had continued after the Disney buyout, they'd have had a character based on Mowgli who lived with a pack of Anoobas and had to guide Wolfe or Ahsoka out of some hostile jungle or someshit.
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>>82044154
Source
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>>82050283

I don't think that was a phase II helmet. Wolfe's was a unique/custom helmet. I'm might be wrong, but I think it had design elements derived from early Boba Fett concepts.
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>>82050174
>31m ago
nice find
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Visas a cute
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>>82050446
I know it was custom, all of the major Captains/Commanders got to custom design their helmets and armor during Phase II.

But how the fuck does Wolfe see out of that thing?
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>>82050472
Her and kanan would look good together
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>>82050143
Who the hell cares how she found the lightsaber? 90% of the people who watched the movie don't even know that it's Anakin's.
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17/f/twi'lek/coruscant
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>>82050174
>>82050283
>>82050446
I didn't notice this in the episode, but it changed. What you think?
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>>82050587

Probably it did. Remember, Filoni did say that he was a "fashion icon" among the Clone Troopers since his appearance always changed at least once per season.
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>>82050565
What/is/this/?
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>>82050711
really, you don't know the popular culture of the internet? it's a meme you dip.
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>>82049882
Everything I said was during the clone wars
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>>82044262
It's all nice until you get caught up in a cyberpunk noir plot against a far-reaching conspiracy.
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>>82050711
you've/never/been/to//soc//,/have/you/?
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>>82050687
>he was a "fashion icon" among the Clone Troopers
Yeah, he made last months issue of CloneVogue
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>>82050733
s-sorry, Mr 4chan.

>>82050749
No, never.
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>>82050587

I don't think it changed. It just seems different because of the McQuarrie-esqe design style of the whole show. It's still the same helmet we last saw him wear in TCW.
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>>82050587
God I hate how everything looks like it's covered in sand
Everything in Rebels has this low quality sand texture
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>>82050545
Everyone knows it was Anakins. That's why Kylo calls it his birthright. Stop trying to act like you're smarter than your average movie goer because you spend all your time posting on a japanese image board.
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>>82050945
It's called Poetry.
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>>82050945
That's how they keep Vader away
He hates sand
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>>82050976
>>82050978
It's so bad. Everything looks like sand. It's really noticeable on the faces.
Just sand. Who thought it was a good idea to use sand as a texture for everything?
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>>82050855
I believe his last appearance in TCW was in his desert gear, the helmet of which was similar to Ezra's cadet helmet
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>>82050154
Okay, I'm going to go by what they added to or subtracted from the mythos and how superfluous they were.

I'll start with Maz.
She added FUCK AND ALL to the movie except a shitty yoda who'd give the mc a quasi bullshit yoda story and give the black prince charming the useless the light saber...for reasons.
The character also added/allowed the addition of quite honestly retarded facets to the idea of the force.
The entire garbage as fuck cantana scene and them leaving tatoine 2.0 could have been written out completely because NOTHING of import happens there and everything that does happen simply detracts from the star wars mythos and further weakens an already shit plot.
They just needed a reason to have a garbage millenium falcon battle on the planet and meet harrison ford and nigga in a rug in outerspace.

As a matter of fact, why does this bitch have the ability to SENSE lightsabers and see all of this shit but not see the genocides that darth vader committed? Why was Finn not given lukes light saber from the EP 6? The movie is supposedly about finding a map to luke right? Wouldn't his light sabre be more important?
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>>82051174
Second unimportant character?
Poe Damarasdgadgasdgada the fuck ever. This nigga added NOTHING to the plot and I am quite sure that his inclusion actually weakened an already piss poor story. Why? To whore the rogue squadron movie, have a white chad thundercock for the bitches to nut over and dudes to think is cool, and add a horrifyingling stupid second death star thing. Sorry THIRD death star thing.
Nothing that character did was good outside of having the little robot.

They could have easily had the robot be a semi loyal imperial robot that finn finds on the death star 2.0 and accidentally kidnaps while he escapes on his own. Or be Reys robot that she's had since she was a kid and was left on the world. Hell make it rr2-d2's kid.

Think max von sandow was there JUST to get killed by fuccboi of the darkside and say some cryptic and retarded line? Hell no. Nigga was more then likely supposed to be rey's kenobi/uncle owen. NOPE, fuck that shit. Need him to be a force priest who has fuck and all to do with the heroine who was dropped on that planet and has magic super powerful force powers. Also the heroine lived alone from child.
Seriously/
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>>82050565
JEDI TEMPLE
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>>82051174
>Why was Finn not given lukes light saber from the EP 6? The movie is supposedly about finding a map to luke right? Wouldn't his light sabre be more important?

Luke never lost his lightsaber in ROTJ.
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Worst and most useless character?
Fucking Kylo Ren. No, he does nothing good. He adds nothing good.
His inclusion drives nothing that couldn't have been driven by a high ranking soldier.
His mere existance WEAKENS not only the movie but the star wars mythos.
They could have easily had that red headed cunt who was doing a horrible hitler youth impersonation shoot the old man in the face or pull most of the strings
All of his force use in the movies and pathos could be cut and the movie would be better for it.
Just an adventure movie where two people have to escape an alien world then stumble into a galactic cold war that is heating up.

Princess leia and han solo. What did they actually add? Fisher's mind and looks were so ruined by heavy coke use and depression that she looked barely coherent and botox faced in every scene. Ford was obviously there for the paycheck and ego stroke and to kill the character that put him on the map in the first place, cause...he's too awesome for han solo.
They should have been left out.

Phasma.
Phasma who? Bitch in the silver costume? The fuck is that?
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>>82050792
It's a meme from chat sites like omegle and shit. Age/sex/(species)/location. You see the acronym ASL in a thread not about linguistics, that's probably what it means.
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>>82051372
Yes princess.
But that movie isn't return of jedi.
That garbage movie is THE FORCE AWAKENS.
Someone having Lukes lightsaber and Luke going missing or leaving for someplace would have been a hell of a lot more compelling then a plot hole introduced by a cheap knock off of a beloved character who introduced stupid mythos editions.
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Soooo...
stream when, i was promised mask of the phantasm goddamnit.

Also, post your favorite droids
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>>82051585
Thanks for the explanation.

>>82051600
Magnaguard.
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Anyone have the picture of Daisy Ridley wearing the Top Gun hat?
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>>82051911
I got this
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>>82051600
meatbag
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>>82050565
>17
>core world
Nah, I ain't tryin' to catch no case
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>>82051372
Not that guy, but I think his ROTJ lightsaber being the one recovered would've been more interesting, since that one we knew was inherently his lightsaber, and the last time we saw it he still had it (though people still sometimes forget he had it on his belt when he came back to Endor). Instead we have Anakin's lightsaber, which was lost a long time ago and Luke had already moved on from it. Even the fact that it belonged to Anakin never comes up in TFA- it's not treated as a weapon passed down from the Skywalkers, it's treated as Luke's weapon. His ROTJ lightsaber not only accomplishes the same thing, but is more compelling because not only is it his own personal lightsaber, we wouldn't know how he lost this one.
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>>82051911
No, but this one is cool too.
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>>82051600
>"hello! ma baby" starts playing
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What are we watching in the stream tonight
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>>82052121
Baby shit for babies
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>>82052098
>inb4 ezra on a boy's body
good expression match tho
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>>82052062
The lightsaber doesn't even really serve much of a purpose. It's funny because the earlier rumors from MSW and such described the lightsaber itself as being the big clue to finding Luke. At the time I thought that was dumb, but in retrospect it's better than what we ended up getting, with Lor San Tekka happening to have a piece of a map- it's never explained how or why he has the map to begin with, at least not in the movie itself- and the lightsaber being thrown in anyway but having almost no relevance to the story.
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>>82052179
A very mature response.
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>>82051813


La lala lala la, la lala lala la, It's baby time. It's baby time, it's baby time, it's baby, baby time. It's baby time, it's baby time, it's baby, baby, baby time. Baby, you're the best. You're not like all the rest. It will be so much fun, when you're the chosen one. No matter what you do, I will be proud of you. Even if you receive a liberal arts degree. Baby time, it's baby time. It- WAIT, I wasn't finished!
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>>82052458

Meant to this >>82051600
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>>82052458

Make sure everybody has Zimas!
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>>82052458

No, you haven't
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>>82052458

Hello, sexy
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>>82045035
Mirial is a snow planet though last I checked.
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>>82052458
>Feel better?
>Well, I was taking care of somethi--
>Uh-huh, noseblasting.
>Noseblasting? You are crazy!
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>>82052426
I was only kidding...
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>>82053063
TOO LATE
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So who's Rey's parents?
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>>82048704
Vader being weaker from the prosthesis is a Lucas thing, not a Legends thing.
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>>82053266
Two people we've never heard of before.
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>>82051174
I didn't hate the TFA, it was a cool movie but some character like Maz were straight up questionable.

I'll agree, she largely served no purpose and I hated the Yoda similarities. He was unique and she made him feel cheap.
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>>82053411
What's funnier is that they actually trimmed her screentime down because of how pointless she was. She was supposed to tag along back to D'Qar but then they realized she had nothing to do. Now all she even does is give Rey some fortune cookie advice, pass on the lightsaber (even if it detoured to Finn for a while) and that's it. Even the original reason they went to see her in the first place, to get BB-8 onto a "clean" ship so that he can be returned to the Resistance, ends up being unnecessary because the Resistance shows up on Takodana anyway. The random droid spy that called the Resistance ended up having greater story relevance than Maz did.
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>>82053266
Adopted Daughter of Sabine and Jyn, with Sabine being Obi-wan/Satine's secret daughter.
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>>82053266
Snoke
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>>82053666
Satan pls go
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>>82053666
That would be Pottery
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>>82053692
Only if you get 7s
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>>82053900
roll
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>>82034188
>http://terribleminds.com/ramble/2016/04/20/an-open-letter-to-the-bring-back-legends-star-wars-fans/

I never read Aftermath,and I was prepared to dislike this guy because of what /co/ has said, but he seems alright.
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>>82053926
His writing is still shit and he's a smug douche, but the Legends fanboys who won't shut up are worse than Wendig, so he ends up looking pretty sane by comparison. There's perfectly sane people who like and prefer the old EU- this group who put up that billboard (among other things in their now two-year-long campaign to make asses of themselves and alienate anyone who may have otherwise agreed with their point of view) is not among them.
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>>82053900
Go away.
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>>82053926
He literally put action asterisks in his aftermath foreward
not that he's wrong about this, EU fans are mad nerd babbies
but he's a complete shitbird the remaining 99.8% of the time
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>>82053900
Leave Satan, nobody wants your shit in my galaxy.
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>>82053926

Eh, the "I'm going to call everyone who doesn't like my book homophobes and refuse to admit any poor writing on my part" thing doesn't sit well with me.
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>>82048683

> star wars has always been about character drama

This is why all the old fans of the series hated the prequels, because they took a drastic 180 from what Lucas had originally done. Of course, they were the way they were because of the limitations of the medium, and when those limitations weakened Lucas' new attempt was met with cries of "MUH CGI".

I actually hate it when people say that "character drama" should be the focus of Star Wars. Like, in a space fantasy world, if you choose to focus on a couple of relationships instead of the setting, you're not playing on the genre's strengths. Character drama can literally be done in any setting, but a properly interesting sci-fi universe is much harder to create. Keeping the scope of the world small in favour of developing characters - like what Abrams did with TFA - is essentially a waste of the genre.

If I wanted another fucking Hero's Journey story I'd watch LOTR. Those movies are long enough to be able to achieve both objectives satisfyingly.
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>>82053926
Eh, there's still a layer of smugness to his response to the Legends fans that rubs me the wrong way. I mean, he's not wrong at all in what he's saying, but... I don't know, the guy just can't avoid coming across as smug for whatever reason.
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>>82054265
Anon, if you want something more complex or deeper than what we have, you should look into another series.

These movies are supposed to play like Greek Tragedies/Dramas mixed with Spaghetti Western and Samurai Flick elements.

If you want something more than character drama in Star Wars, look to the supplementary material.
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LANDO!
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>>82054514
space legal
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>>82054265
>Keeping the scope of the world small in favour of developing characters - like what Abrams did with TFA - is essentially a waste of the genre.
I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea, he just went about it kind of awkwardly. I think TFA should have remained character-focused, but not at the expense of narrowing the universe and almost ignoring its own political setting. I get that he wanted to avoid the heavy politics of the prequels and I don't necessarily blame him, but even ANH was able to squeeze in the bare essentials of it. Just enough to give context to the story and help you understand why certain things are important. TFA was so focused on avoiding politics that it ended up doing a disservice to itself by making the focus so narrow that the few times it tries to show the bigger picture, it's so poorly illustrated that it becomes self-defeating. You can tell us how much bigger Starkiller Base is compared to the Death Star but it means nothing if the characters are barely phased by this. You can have Williams conduct sad music for an interplanetary massacre but we can't be sad about the destruction of something we barely knew existed in the first place.
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>>82053926
>but he seems alright.
He's really not. You should read some of the stuff he said about people who were critical of Aftermath.
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IS ROGUE ONE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A THEATRICAL FILM?
I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE A TV MOVIE OR SOME SHIT
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Fives
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>>82055314
What? Yes, its theatrical.
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>>82055548
Damn.
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>>82043995
i might have played it religiously as a kid but it was still just an Age of Empires clone
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>>82055548
5
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>>82044706
>blowing up people

He blew up a Star Destroyer. An entirely valid military target.
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>>82045410
>having to live with filthy subhuman Gungans
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>>82045433
>Wanting to support a douche

Besides, there are objectively better sabers out there.
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>>82050318
Did you know that was Han Solo's Lucas backstory? With him being raised by Wookiees.
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>>82051174
>>82051278


Glad I'm not the only one who thought Maz was a really generic "spirit guide" kind of character and that Po Dameron was a tryhard attempt to have kind of smooth pilot character.
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>>82055776
Just don't go in the water. Given the fuckton of giant submarine-eating fish, you shouldn't be doing that anyway.
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>>82053292
This is one thing that makes perfect sense to me. Vader would have overthrown Palpatine otherwise.
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>>82055919
Yeah, I really didn't like how they handled Maz. Especially because her actress is such savory chocolate that I'd have preferred her to be in the movie in the flesh. Seriously, just give her the Oola treatment and make her a Twi'lek.
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>>82056058

Fucking this. They got someone THAT pretty and then made her play a CGI minion?

"I like practical sets"

Abrams really knew what to say to make the neckbeards and armchair directors eat out of his hands, that movie had CGI characters and scenes out the ass.
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>>82054421

I don't exactly need more complexity or depth, I just want a vibrant setting. Which is something that the PT movies did more successfully, I feel; and therefore something that tends to be seen as bad by association with the Prequels. I personally don't like Star Wars for the plot or the characters, I like it for the setting, which is really the only one of those three points that the franchise can claim as a unique trait. This is why TCW is my absolute favourite piece of Star Wars media.

> If you want something more than character drama in Star Wars, look to the supplementary material.

You're right, I hoped that the anthology movies would show us a bit more about that, but as far as I can tell they're basically going to be revisiting the same characters and time periods for a while. There's little chance for new stuff soon setting-wise aside from Ep. VIII (I have faith in Rian Johnson to do this, what we've seen is encouraging) and Rebels.

Books and comics are good for this as well but I find those aren't consistent enough in quality to satisfy my desire.

>>82054678

This goes back to the strange desire shown by Abrams to disown the PT. They shied away so much from worldbuilding that the cast is almost operating in a storytelling vacuum, there's no reason to care about any of the places shown. Hell, Maz's Castle was the weakest part of the story besides the Rathtars and it was probably the most compelling location.
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>>82055906
That was an idea he had, but he abandoned it.
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>>82056594
I'm fairly sure it's still a thing even if he didn't put it into Episode III.
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so

did jabba fuck leia
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>>82056120
I agree with you in principal. It WOULD have been nice to have her in the movie as herself, but ultimately it's not like there should be a rule that only ugly people are used for CGI.

Sorry, Andy Serkis.
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>>82056760
Do Hutts even have dicks?

I assumed they were asexual or something.
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>>82056760
What does your heart tell you?
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>>82056854

I agree, but I have a fucking thing for dark chicks that overrides my logic
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>>82056855
dick and vulv, they're hermaphroditic
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>>82056884
Can't fault your feelings. She did a damn good job as Maz, though. It's certainly hard to imagine that the wrinkled old troll doll with the coke bottle lenses is Lupita.
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>>82056872
there was nothing under the chain bikini?
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>>82056914
Not anymore. Canon finally made the Hutts pick a side and commit.

That reveal came, of all things, from a Q&A at Celebration last year. Actually thinking about it that makes total sense.
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>>82056884

> racemixing

assuming you're not black
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as a girl i always got turned on by jabba desu
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>>82054678
>You can have Williams conduct sad music for an interplanetary massacre but we can't be sad about the destruction of something we barely knew existed in the first place.
This felt like Abrams thinking "I can do the Alderaan destruction better" without actually understanding what role that destruction had in the story. He injects this melodramatic sense of tragedy into a scene that has no reason to even be tragic: outside of a quick blurb in the title crawl, Hux's speech is the first time the Republic is even brought up. We go from the Republic being introduced directly to "look, isn't it sad? aren't you sad that these people are dying?" and how the fuck are we supposed to be sad when we have no idea who they are?

We didn't know shit about Alderaan either, but the movie doesn't try to play its destruction as a giant tragedy with the orchestra suddenly getting sad. It's a display of force more than it is a display of loss- and even then, we still get two moments showing characters we've already met and formed some sense of attachment to reacting to it. Leia is clearly distressed that her homeworld is about to be blown apart, and Obi-Wan has that sobering "voices crying out" moment. Neither of these moments is really dwelled on, but they do the job. We understand the magnitude of what's happened and we do see that two of our heroes are troubled by it. TFA can't even do that. Not only does Abrams fail to make the audience understand let alone care about Hosnian Prime, none of the characters really care either. The massacre has no emotional or even logical bearing on the story- for all that it matters, Starkiller Base could've just destroyed some random uninhabited planet as a demonstration of power. Abrams gives no reason for anyone to care but he still wants to wring an emotional reaction out of it that he's done absolutely nothing to earn.
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>>82057024
Was it the big tongue?
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>>82054265
Lucas didn't write those films and he never really directed them either.
Man has two talents.
The ability to recognize and use talent, and the ability to sell.
It's why SW is as big as it is.

He got high off of his own hype, surrounded himself with yes men, and fucked the pooch because he didn't have anyone reigning him in and telling him his shit was bad. It had good parts, and stuff that was really nice, but overall it was embarassing.
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>>82057016

White as a ghost
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>>82057016
We were promised a cure for Jungle Fever centuries ago, and still it eludes our greatest scientific minds!
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>>82057048
nah it was just the idea of size. mass. domination

i know shut up
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>>82057032
Leia and Lukes reaction to the loss of what is essentially their families and lives are kinda shit.

Leia should have been in real hysterics at the thought of her entire world being destroyed, and her whole "aren't you a little short to be a storm trooper" thing and bitch personality later should have been something that was demonstrated BEFORE the death of everyone and thing she's known since she was a child.

Luke? He moped in the desert for a bit then got the fuck out of dodge after coming home and finding the closest thing to parents and a home in ashes.

Star Wars was never ever complex and even a bit shallow emotionally.
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>>82057099

I've got the cure. Racemix until the line is so blurred it won't matter.
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>>82040954
Anakin needs an adult!
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>>82057164
I feel like more people would be into Vader force choking, but he never really chokes any women does he?
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>>82057200

The Luke thing always struck me as weird, but I remembered that sudden deaths of immediate family members in my life, I couldn't cry. It was weird, I felt like I should, but I was just in disbelief. I couldn't have any kind of reaction for a long time.
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>>82057164
Don't be ashamed, I'm sure you'd make excellent tail candy
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>>82057200
I think his point is that even if the reaction wasn't great it was still better than the reaction to the Republic getting buttfucked, which was basically none
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>>82057246
He used to choke me...
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>>82057319
God, what is with her baby arms?
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>>82057319
TFW we need a erotic fap fic of Vader and Aphra practicing BDSM.
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>>82057415

>Implying black chicks aren't hot

Stop acting gay anon
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>>82057348
She's asian?
>>82057398
Yes we do.
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>>82052062
>Even the fact that it belonged to Anakin never comes up in TFA- it's not treated as a weapon passed down from the Skywalkers, it's treated as Luke's weapon.

"That Lightsaber belonged to Luke and his father before him and now it calls to you"

Not to mention how Kylo feels entitled to own it because he needs the legendary Youngling-Cutter for his grandpa shrine
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>>82056976
By pick a side do you mean gender or sex?
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wouldn't vader have to wear a strap on
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>>82057611
He could have sex, it'd just be terribly painful as the skin begin to peel away or the scar tissue ripped from the friction.
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>>82057642
like i said. wouldn't he have to wear a strap on.
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>>82057642
But he gets off on pain. It's what gives him power. If I was Vader, I'd have hate sex all the time.
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>>82057452

Black chicks can be hot, but actually having children with one is stupid for any number of reasons

I can list some if you want
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>>82057661
see >>82057668
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>>82057691

Anon, please, Star Wars fans already have a stigma of being scared of girls, we don't need you making it worse
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>>82057729

:(
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>>82057927

Show them your dense cock, they'll like that
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>>82057969
Girls don't like 25 year old virgins anon, I took the path of a Jedi, but one day I'll be a truly strong space wizard.
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>>82058029

>Girls don't like 25 year old virgins

Hey it took Han like 30 some years
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>>82058056
Don't let Han lie to you, he got laid tons as a wee little lad on Corellia, that's how he got the Falcon. A millennium of cock, the greatest ass smuggler in the galaxy.
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>>82058107
>>82058056
>>82058029
>>82057969
>>82057927
>>82057855

please stop
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>>82058107

>Believing Han's bullshit

Obi-Wan saw right through it. Han beta-orbited around Leia for three years unable to say shit about his "feelings".
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>>82058165
Obi-wan is a glorious liar though, the greatest in the galaxy. We still need an anthology film called Force Ghosts with him and Anakin being lying dicks to everybody.
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>>82058196

>"Why are you two cool with eachother again this quick? He beheaded you like three years ago."

>"I put him in a gimp suit, so I had it coming. We're even now."
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Assuming we had certain Sith Lords around during the time of the Grand Republic/Clone Wars, how would things have gone for Sheev, discounting them obviously trying to kill him?

Like would Bane have taken over instead or Exar Kun? Would Revan have seen through his bullshit and alerted the Jedi? Would Malak have tried bombarding Coruscant and been the leader of the CIS instead of Dooku controlled by Sheev? Would Vader have a different master?
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>>82058107
>Don't let Han lie to you, he got laid tons as a wee little lad on Corellia, that's how he got the Falcon
He won it in a game of gay chicken with Lando.
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>>82057246
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>>82058245
>"Hey Kylo, you know what would give you a great high, killing all those younglings of Luke."
>"You really think so Grandpa?"
>"Yeah totally, you might end up disfigured eventually just like I was."
>"Don't tell him to kill younglings Anakin, he'll actually do it, look at the kid."
>"Oh don't worry Obi-wan, Luke should be able to HANDle it."
>Luke standing in the background listening to them
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>>82058318
I mean ACTUAL BIG BLACKNESS Vader.
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>>82057492
Light Sabers are not magic fucking wands. They dont' call to fucking anyone.

>>82057415
Well Charlie Sheen has been passing around HIV like a blunt at a snoop dog concert.
So..I'm pretty sure that half of the chicks and twinks in hollywood are carrying hiv now.
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>>82058318
putting her is
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>>82057246
I happen to know that one of the very first pieces of Star Wars smut ever written was about Vader sexually torturing Han Solo.

So there's that.
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>>82058341
Well now that's just Sithist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HJl8mPnTwg
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>>82058364
The Force is calling to her and their are Force Remnants on the Lightsaber, it's basically just remnants of events from the past left over on the Lightsaber that are reaching out to a new master.

I mean we did have the whole "Let the Force guide your creation of a lightsaber and it's kyber crystal shit". Not that far off, The Force is a man, it does whatever the fuck it wants.
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>>82058364
Wands don't 'call' to anyone. Excalibur does.

>>82058418
what

>>82058437
>The Force is a man, it does whatever the fuck it wants.

what

sexist
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>>82057492
>>82058364

>"That is a story for another time"

>"You mean writers just thought it seemed cool but didn't know how to write a decent explanation for it"

Isn't Bespin a gas giant? I know fictional gas giants are different but how the fuck did someone find it if that shit fell to the surface?
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>>82058280
They wouldn't give a shit about the republic until Sheeve tried to pull any shit or fucked with their plans.

Remember, they are walking gods who can rape the minds of entire worlds and crush mountains with their will alone. Even make themselves virtually immortal and immune to nearly any injury.

The comings and goings of the little people mean fuck all to them. Think the average adult with their own problems and drives cares about the pointless drama of school girls in another state?

Hell no. If anything they'd only get into the political game for shits and giggles. Hell I think Sheev would have made very specific allowances for and given special priveledges to dark side force users and potential masters and knights. I mean, it's retarded to think that he would have been the only one in the republic.
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>>82058488
the shaft it fell into wasn't actually open

it probably got sucked into a garbage collector
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>>82058467
I can't help what the Force is or isn't. The Father is a man, it is the embodiment of the Force, it controls it all, even employing Priestesses to watch over his shit like slaves.
>>82058488
The actual reasoning is that Maz is force sensitive but never went down the path of the Jedi and she collects relics of the past, she likely felt the lightsaber force remnants through the force and found it. Which it was apparently on a scaffolding it lodged into as it fell, or something.

As for planet logic, no planet in Star Wars has logic, or has it never crossed your mind that everyone in the galaxy can force jump, or else all planets have the exact same gravity as Earth?
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>>82058437
No, that's fucking retarded.
That is not a small logical step, that is them pulling something stupid out of their ass to give some stupid bullshit about destiny and what not.

It was garbage and made no fucking sense if you looked at every single fucking movie in the series.

>>82058467
I don't care about excaliber you fucktard. This is about them reducing the light saber into magic wands ala harry potter.
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>>82058576

>has it never crossed your mind that everyone in the galaxy can force jump

That one's actually canon though. Every living thing has low level enough force powers that they can accidentally tap into it at least once in life.
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>>82058601
>I don't care about excaliber you fucktard. This is about them reducing the light saber into magic wands ala harry potter.

I can tell that the only books you read are children's stories.

And you don't even read them properly, since wands DON'T DO THAT in Harry Potter.
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>>82058576

>has it never crossed your mind that everyone in the galaxy can force jump


They can, though.
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>>82058522
Not him, but I personally disagree, I think Revan and Malak would care. Malak would actively be trying to take over the Galaxy.

As for Revan I feel one of three paths.

1. He takes over the Galaxy himself as Darth Revan.
2. He's mind-wiped by the Jedi like in KotOR but manages to weed out Sheev unlike what the Jedi during the Clone Wars didn't manage to do and oust him from power quickly, saving the Republic.
3. He'd continue trying to strengthen the Republic by removing anybody that is weak or part of the Sith Order or Sith Species.

Rest of the Sith Lords probably wouldn't give a fuck. Didn't Lucas say Sidious and Vader were the two strongest Sith anyways, and that included EU at the time?
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>>82058665
>>82058620
Where does this info come from?
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>>82058620
>>82058665
I know, that's my point though. Every planet still has the same gravity regardless, there is no way everyone manages to force jump the exact same height on every single planet, even tapping into it at random moments one would manage to jump higher than others by a good amount, or be susceptible to the planet's natural gravity at some point.

Even still, people tend to forget that the garbage chute Luke fell into wasn't open at first, so the lightsaber likely got lodged on something due to the arm or went down into a trash compactor or something.
>>82058601
>It was garbage and made no fucking sense if you looked at every single fucking movie in the series.
And if you look at canon, it makes perfect sense. The entire fucking trilogy is about some off-hand destiny bullshit involving the force and the chosen one. Hell we have thousands of years of the Jedi and Sith and you're telling me that not one of them figured out Force Ghosts before Qui-Gon, who did it all on his own?

Look I love Star Wars, but it's not a masterfully written series and a lot of stuff doesn't make sense. Stop trying to throw logic into a series about space wizards with light swords for god's sake and just enjoy the ride.
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>>82058690
see >>82032157
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>>82058651
>Claim that I only read children's books
>Says in the same post that I was wrong and that doesn't happen
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Harry_Potter's_wand

And I've never even read a harry potter book. I thumbed through the order of the phoenix to get into the panties of the handful of cute neckbeards who was into that garbage, gave up and like most people watched some of the movies while baked.

Now show me where, in any form of star wars media, that a light sabre calls to anyone.

I'll wait.
By the way, excaliber doesn't do that you retard. Never did.
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torrent when? where?
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>>82058797

Shit, I can't believe I didn't see that. Thanks for linking it, and thanks to >>82032157 as well although I'm a giant faggot and I hate to do this but the one I'm referring to was a good deal larger
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>>82058601
Lightsabers have ALWAYS done that. Kyber Crystals were always tuned with the Force and guided the Jedi to making the correct decision with the Lightsaber.

They have literally always worked through the Force thanks to the Kyber Crystals. They attune to their users who possess them for a long time, in this case Anakin, Obi-wan, and Luke, and now it calls to Rey. If you're gonna complain about something at least know that it's always worked this way.
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>>82058924
I thought SW Angry Birds wasn't canon?
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>>82058956
Dude, Angry Birds was the most canon shit ever.
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>>82058956
It's not, those little guys were on Takodana in Maz's Castle briefly if I recall.
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>>82058692
>>82058775

It's not canon, I just made it up to see what reactions it'd get
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>>82058924
Are those the fucking Minions on the front cover?
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>>82058993
You're actually not wrong entirely. Everyone uses the force to some degree, but it's hardly noticeable at all for the vast majority.
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>>82059014

>Everyone uses the force to some degree

Usually happens after eating Mexican food.
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>>82058775
>And if you look at canon, it makes perfect sense. The entire fucking trilogy is about some off-hand destiny bullshit involving the force and the chosen one. Hell we have thousands of years of the Jedi and Sith and you're telling me that not one of them figured out Force Ghosts before Qui-Gon, who did it all on his own?

1.The destiny stuff in TFA is handled badly.

2.Of course they aren't the first ones to figure out about force ghosts you fool.

3.The magic wa...light sabre has nothing to do with force ghosts. It is all about tacking on new psychic powers that have no precedence and make no fucking sense.
Kylo was mind reading and Rey was using psychometry and had some ridiculous out of nowhere vision that drew her to an open room that anyone could go to.


JJ Abrams basically confused the force with magic vulcan space elf powers and it shows.
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>>82057319
Is that one of ss' droids?
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>>82058924
That book came out AGES ago. It's in the mega
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>>82058677
Sidious was never that powerful, just the most cunning.
And Vader WOULD have been the most powerful force user to ever exist if he didn't go full retarded and get his shit all fucked up.


As for revan and malek. No one gives a fuck because they are bioware oc.
And the jedi order at the time only had two people of any real power.
Yoda and Windu and they were to busy being the foot soldiers of the republic.
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>>82059049

book came out at the beginning of April with more content. Mega doesnt have the full book
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>>82059031

Maz's shit was retarded and corny but Mind reading has happened before in RotJ and objects/places that have been around force sensitive people start to draw others in and have weird effects on them. Like that Sith planet that tempted Kyle. Or how villains tried to siphon force energy from where Obi-Wan appeared to Luke on Hoth, or where Yoda lived on Dagobah.
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>>82059031
>1.The destiny stuff in TFA is handled badly.
It's also handled badly in the PT and OT, don't act like it wasn't.
>2.Of course they aren't the first ones to figure out about force ghosts you fool.
In canon, yes it is, or else it would have been constantly passed down through the Jedi. It's a very simple logic jump.
>3.The magic wa...light sabre has nothing to do with force ghosts. It is all about tacking on new psychic powers that have no precedence and make no fucking sense.
My point was, that Force Ghosts don't make sense considering when they first appear in canon, The Force is literally guided by Priestesses, a Father, Son, and Daughter embodiment, among a bunch of other silly shit. The point was that not everything makes sense in Star Wars.
>Kylo was mind reading and Rey was using psychometry and had some ridiculous out of nowhere vision that drew her to an open room that anyone could go to.
Yes and said door was also locked, you can see it open completely on it's own. Besides you act like the Force hasn't given people visions or led them to places before in canon, which it has constantly.

Also yes, the Force literally is fucking magic. When the hell hasn't it been magic?

>Admiral Motti: Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader
>Sorcerer: a person who claims or is believed to have magic powers; a wizard.
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>>82059097
That was a fucking room that ANYONE could have walked into in a random fucking bar on some random fucking planet with no connection to the force what so ever.

NO that shit made no fucking sense and it is them litterally making up new force powers out of nowhere to push the LIGHT SABER IS HER DESTINY/BIRTHRIGHT thing.

It's obvious, it's stupid, it's bad writing, and it's lazy.
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>>82059210
It wasn't actually a new Force Power.

Quinlan Vos of all people has that power too, to connect to objects like that.
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>>82059210

I already agreed the shit with Maz was fucking corny and goofy but as far as Rey's shit goes it has precedent.

I'm not defending the movie, it could've been a lot better, but that shit's happened plenty in Star Wars media.
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>>82059210
Psychometry first appeared in TCW - Hunt for Zero, before TCW came out, which was made canon by George Lucas himself. It was also in Dark Disciple, also a canon novel before TFA.

Also that room was locked, it only unlocked due to The Force.
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>this convo going on

I feel like I'm sitting in a room with one of my friend's and they complain about the story of a video game and what's going on, but skip all the dialogue, cutscenes, and somehow avoid the most obvious in your face things ever, and then just sit there and complain for 2 hours.
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>>82035465

And so began the renaissance of /co/-/tv/ Revanposting.
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>>82040954
Anakin is Otacon?
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>>82059258
Psychometry is the unique genetic skill of one fucking jedi. And light sabres calling to anyone or giving people random visions where doors open and they see only certain vision from things is fucking bullshit.

That has never fucking happened.
Espescially in places that are not connected to the force in any way what so ever.

It's a bullshit deus ex machina to show her as the DA CHOSEN WUN!. Period.
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>>82044262

>New York City, but covering an entire planet
No, I'll manage to get xenopussy elsewhere.
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>>82059655
>Psychometry is the unique genetic skill of one fucking jedi.
Now it's two Jedi, even then it's existed for years outside of canon beyond just Vos, it was just never named.
>And light sabres calling to anyone
Kyber Crystals have done this for years.
>giving people random visions where doors open and they see only certain vision from things is fucking bullshit.
That's not the Lightsaber, it's the Force.
>Espescially in places that are not connected to the force in any way what so ever.
Everything is connected to the Force.
>It's a bullshit deus ex machina to show her as the DA CHOSEN WUN!. Period.
No, you just can't comprehend simple logic when the majority of this stuff has always existed.
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>>82059655
Luke fucking Skywalker has used psychometry before in old EU to hunt down fucking Han Solo's "emotional scent", Boc used it in Dark Forces II as well.

Keep up nigga.
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>>82059869

> old EU
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>>82059166
>It's also handled badly in the PT and OT, don't act like it wasn't.
Yes, but those were actually coherent movies and watchable and had at least passble and didn't try to insult the audiences intelligence. TFA is dumb as fuck and manages to be so dumb that even the most bored dumbass in the theatre couldn't believe it.

>In canon, yes it is, or else it would have been constantly passed down through the Jedi. It's a very simple logic jump.
No, force ghosts are canon elsewhere if the mmo is still canon. Secondly, there was not a single goddamnend force ghost in the entire fucking movie and a force ghost appearing all of fucking ONCE to tell that shitty character that should never have been included kylo ren to stop being a little faggot would have solved 99% of all of the fucking problems in the movie.

>My point was, that Force Ghosts don't make sense
My point is that it has nothing to do with how stupidly out of place that entire fucking scene was.

>Yes and said door was also locked,
The door was not locked merely closed and her entire vision is still fucking stupid.

>Also yes, the Force literally is fucking magic. When the hell hasn't it been magic?
Magic without rules is just childish nonsense.
It's anything can happen at anytime with no rhyme or reason and not even children like that shit.
They broke the well established rules of the universe to give two stupid power ups two people no one gave a shit about and weakened the entire mythos in the process.

>Admiral Motti: Don't try to frighten us with he rule book of D&D?
The rule set for wizards and the use of magic is ridiculous.
It being magic doesn't mean that any stupid goddamned thing should happen.
That kind of thinking is for hacks who don't respect the source material or genre they work in.
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>>82059883
Psychometry is canon regardless faggot, complaining about it now is fucking stupid when it's been around since goddamn 1994 in the Courtship of Princess of Leia.
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>>82034188
He's much better than these legit lunatics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nahMMDYasM4
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>>82059786
>That's not the Lightsaber, it's the Force.
I suspect it's both, or rather it's one and the same. Kyber crystals have the force, attune to the Jedi (no clue if that is the case with Anakin's MANY replacement sabers, but it would be funny if they built a special revolving door in the Ilum temple just for him).

The Force wants her to get off her ass and do something. The Force is also in the crystal in the sword. The Force called out to her via the crystal in the sword. At least that's how I choose to look at it. It's one of those things that wouldn't really change either way, at the end of the day it was always the will of the Force guiding her. Still to me I think it's that way because of how the sword later resisted Kylo Ren (seemingly) and flew into Rey's hands. The Force wanted her to take up the weapon of the Jedi, it was never going to choose Kylo Ren over her, and the fact that she reached for it was very likely it "calling" to her again. But it would still just be the Force doing it.
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>>82059655
>And light sabres calling to anyone or giving people random visions where doors open and they see only certain vision from things is fucking bullshit

if you are implying in general that lightsabres, particularly ones that once belonged to relatively powerful beings, don't somehow do strange things on their own... I suggest you read Lando.
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>>82059914
>Yes, but those were actually coherent movies and watchable and had at least passble and didn't try to insult the audiences intelligence.
You grossly miss-remember the PT/OT. I love them, but they're full of stupid shit & writing.
>TFA is dumb as fuck and manages to be so dumb that even the most bored dumbass in the theatre couldn't believe it.
An opinion and not one the majority holds.
>No, force ghosts are canon elsewhere if the mmo is still canon
TOR is not canon, nor was it ever canon. Same goes for SWG.
>Secondly, there was not a single goddamnend force ghost in the entire fucking movie and a force ghost appearing all of fucking ONCE to tell that shitty character that should never have been included kylo ren to stop being a little faggot would have solved 99% of all of the fucking problems in the movie.
They toyed with the idea of having Anakin as a Force Ghost in the movie and Kylo twisting his words into Vader's because he believed Vader had a momentary lapse in judgment on the Death Star II. Kylo would not have listened at all.
>My point is that it has nothing to do with how stupidly out of place that entire fucking scene was.
You mean just like some of the scenes in the PT/OT?
>The door was not locked merely closed and her entire vision is still fucking stupid.
It was locked, you can see it on the device on the side when it opens.
>Magic without rules is just childish nonsense.
Remember that time Sheev shot lightning from his fingers?
>It's anything can happen at anytime with no rhyme or reason and not even children like that shit.
You mean The Force?
>They broke the well established rules of the universe to give two stupid power ups two people no one gave a shit about and weakened the entire mythos in the process.
What fucking rules, when the fuck has Star Wars ever had any rules?
>It being magic doesn't mean that any stupid goddamned thing should happen.
Welcome to Star Wars, enjoy your stay.

The Force works in mysterious ways.
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>>82060030
Agreed, but that's more the Kyber Crystal than the Lightsaber, it would have called out to her regardless of being in Anakin's hilt still or not.

I mean either way, it's always worked that way with the Kyber Crystals and the Force. I don't see why this guy is so butthurt about it.
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>>82059914
>>82059245
Only some of it has precedent. And only in circumstances that do not fit the situation she was in.
It was a bad plot device.
And Maz should habe been a twi-lek that finn instantly dumped rey over. Would have put the racist scumbags at ease

>>82059242
Being the unique power of a nothing jedi, who really only exists in a garbage ep of a show that is at best tolerated by the star wars fans is not precedent. It is something that is a throwaway. And might even be a genetic thing that can't be learned. Only enhanced by his force use.
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>>82059923
I'm just going to add my two credits to this lovely discussion, I don't think this was even an example of psychometry given she wasn't sensing anything that had to do with the lightsaber itself. Just going there and touching it triggered a vision, sure, but the Force can do weird things. I mean it's everywhere and you can receive a vision at any time so why just use a dramatic cave on Dagobah? Why not.

All the time we blame a lot of the plot convenient moments on the will of the Force, and that's fair and, let's be honest, as good an answer as any. But because of that I like to think that the Force, in-universe, likes to act out in narrative fashion. It likes to put on a show.
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>>82059966
Jesus christ these comments:

>Disney has shown how much it cares for it’s fans both with star wars and marvel
>And they didn’t hurt you, and this kind of dramatic language is toxic to your cause. Wanting new stories is understandable and fair. Claiming they hurt you — when real hurt exists, by the way, every day, to many people — is hyperbole of the highest order and I would suggest you make peace with the hundreds of books that you still possess because nobody destroyed them.
>How sanctimonious you are. Who are you to judge my pain? You think my life has been pleasant? You can’t imagine a world where maybe I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t have a place to hide in? You have no right to judge my pain and call it insignificant.
>But the point remains that Disney taking away those books — or, more precisely, simply reorganizing them under a new label — does not actually hurt you.
>You don’t need the expanded universe dude….you need therapy.
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>>82060030
oh don't get too ridiculous, a lightsaber is not The Ring.

A more logical explanation that Kylo couldn't get it is because he has been wounded several times and his concentration was lacking.. which is pretty clear.

The Force doesn't do one thing in favor for someone over another simply because it wants to. If that were the case nothing bad would ever happen in the Galaxy because seemingly The Force ought to be "good" not bad, and thus refuse to do any dark side stuff.
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>>82060054
They don't.
Never have.
If they did, then vaders light saber would have called to both his son and his daughter
If they did then vader would have almost instantly recognized his daughter.
Why would the force do something that fucking overt but not jam the death star so it wouldn't destroy multiple worlds?

It's fucked up and stupid.
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>>82060123
>The Force doesn't do one thing in favor for someone over another simply because it wants to

Yes, yes it does actually. Also The Force isn't 'good'. It just is, it's Light and Dark that need to be in balance, constantly swaying between the two extremes. It even worked like this in the OT, The Force just is, it's as simple as that, and it does as it pleases, whether good or bad. We have more than enough canon material to confirm this too.
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>>82060088
But the kyber is part of the sword, an essential part. Kybers don't think for themselves (do they?), it's the Force acting through them. Like the Gathering episode it was quite odd how those kybers calling to the kids just happened to be around situations that called on push past themselves, to perform feats that made them grow as individuals. Was that the Force? Yoda being coy again? Both?

Shit, I wish they hadn't told us Yoda was behind the Inky vision, that just makes temple episodes suspect now. Was the cave moment for Luke similarly manipulated by Yoda? Probably. He was at least aware of events given how he shook his head in disappointment.

I got sidetracked pretty bad. Any way I don't think it was any lightsaber that would have called to Rey. Crystals, once attuned, don't seem to care anymore. We've seen Jedi murdered by their own swords with the kyber not somehow deactivating the blade to save it's "master". But still this sword, of all swords, calling out to Rey. That's no coincidence. Obviously it's the Force but for some reason it wants this particular weapon back in play. Why? Guess we'll find out.
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>>82060142
>They don't.
They have, it's canon for Kyber Crystals to do so.
>Never have.
See above.
>If they did, then vaders light saber would have called to both his son and his daughter
Leia was never around the Lightsaber at all until Luke had it, and Obi-wan likely didn't just carry it around with him constantly when he ran into Luke and even then that was very rare they dealt with each other, he was just a crazy hermit in the desert.
>If they did then vader would have almost instantly recognized his daughter.
Vader didn't even recognize Luke until he found out his last name, Vader assumes his child is dead, he doesn't assume that he had twins, besides The Force didn't want him to know about Leia until the end.
>Why would the force do something that fucking overt but not jam the death star so it wouldn't destroy multiple worlds?
Because The Force doesn't give a fuck about the Death Star, the Dark Side is part of The Force too.
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>>82060142
perhaps they did call to them? Who knows? We don't know exactly what happened those 18something years.

Plus the lightsaber didn't have to call to Luke it ended up being flat out given to him anyways.

>If they did then vader would have almost instantly recognized his daughter.
what.
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>you will never play Star Wars: First Assault
>you will never listen to its full soundtrack, which was recorded with the London Symphony Orchestra

why even live anymore
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>>82060123
The Force is in every living thing, anon, but typically not in inanimate objects. It isn't in droids, for instance. And wouldn't really be except in a rather nauseous technical sense if they drained your blood and stored it inside their bodies.

The Force IS, however, in kyber crystals. They resonate with the Force, literally call out to younglings during the Gathering so they can use them to create their first lightsabers. This would be an early instance of a completed weapon calling out to someone, but it's certainly possible. Kanan was able to sense a kyber crystal in an Imperial transport.

As for the lightsaber choosing Rey, why are you surprised it's the Force deciding these actions when two people, two opposing individuals, are fighting for the same object? Especially when the Force has being trying to make Rey take up the damn sword since the middle of the movie.
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>You grossly miss-remember the PT/OT. I love them, but they're full of stupid shit & writing.
No, I remeber them well, and TFA is just all around fucking badly written and dumb.

>An opinion and not one the majority holds.
Kinda is the majority opinion. The people disney pays to push the TFA IS GOOD narrative not withstanding.

>TOR is not canon, nor was it ever canon. Same goes for SWG.
All EA games are apparently canon according to lucas.

>They toyed with the idea of having Anakin as a Force Ghost in the movie and Kylo twisting his words into Vader's because he believed Vader had a momentary lapse in judgment on the Death Star II. Kylo would not have listened at all.
No they fucking didn't you lying faggot.
And how in the fuck would he twist anakins words into a person he's never met or seen before? He knows litteraly fuck all about darth vader. Nothing.

>You mean just like some of the scenes in the PT/OT?
Such as?

>It was locked, you can see it on the device on the side when it opens.
No. It's not.

>Remember that time Sheev shot lightning from his fingers?
Remeber the time Yoda pulled glowing unicorns from his ass? No? According to you that should happen as well because ITS MAGIC!!

>You mean The Force?
You're saying the force has no hard and fast rules of what can or can not be done?

>process.
What fucking rules, when the fuck has Star Wars ever had any rules?
Since SW ep 4.
Since Lucas enforces or negates every fucking use of the fore and bit of star wars lore ever.
Have I been arguing with a fucking moron this entire time?

>It being magic doesn't mean that any stupid goddamned thing should happen.
Welcome to Star Wars, enjoy your stay.

The Force works in mysterious ways.

Ah, you are fucking stupid.
Get your shit, and go take a walk.
Your opinion is as valuable as the cunt of a 50 year old dyke who's into fisting and dragon dildos.
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>>82060186
>Yes, yes it does actually.
>Also The Force isn't 'good'. It just is, it's Light and Dark that need to be in balance, constantly swaying between the two extremes

you just contradicted yourself in less than 5 seconds.

If the force isn't "good or bad" then fuck no it can't make decisions for itself in favor of one person over another!

It's not going to deny Kylo cause he's the bad guy and doesn't deserve it in favor of Rey who is the good girl and does deserve it. If it is surrounded by the force, but it "just is" it ought to have no preference as to who takes it.

The person who takes it is the person who, at the moment, can utilize the force better. That person was Rey.

The Force Flows through you and all that crap, but it doesn't wipe your ass for you.
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>>82060142
It's amazing you're still arguing despite multiple people telling you you're wrong.
>>82060249
Sort of, sort of not. They resonated certain energies that attuned with The Force, so it's a bit of a mixture of both, but yes, it's primarily The Force. They can exert a sort of will through the Force outside of a Lightsaber Hilt though, it's how they draw Jedi or Sith (in some cases) to them to decide the perfect lightsaber crystal.

If I recall, a few large Kyber Crystals were used in weapons with the Force as well, I know there was one on Utapau, and I believe the Super Star Destroyers or whatever they're called in TFA uses them as well, considering how perfectly the shots curve and track despite not being Thermal.

I always assumed it was Yoda manipulating the dark side energies of Dagobah honestly.

As for Rey, I think Kyber Crystals just do as they please, or The Force in this case. Sometimes the user has to die to let events continue on, or for certain things to happen a certain way. Like how The Father erases Anakin's memory during Ghosts of Mortis because he's aware of himself becoming Vader, but things had to proceed that way.

I think the Force just needs certain things to happen a certain way and exerts a will massively when needed. Whether it's through events such as an Imperial Attack that just conveniently happened, or a Kyber Crystal/Lightsaber.
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>>82060383
>>82060249
Kyber crystals don't give out visions, and they don't open doors, and they don't call out to people like that.

You're reaching.
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>>82060403
>All EA games are apparently canon according to lucas.
Not necessarily. They've explicitly said TOR isn't canon, for example.
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>>82060383
just because something calls out to you doesn't mean it falls into your lap. You have to physically get it.

>As for the lightsaber choosing Rey, why are you surprised it's the Force deciding these actions when two people

Because the Force didn't decide their actions, Kylo simply was not utilizing the Force as well as Rey for blatantly obvious reasons.


This whole Force chooses for you bullshit argument you people are coming up with is absurd. If that were truly the case, Star Wars itself would not matter in any sense as The Force just predetermines everything. Nobody has a say in anything they do ever.
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>>82060435
Saying I'm wrong but not proving it with real canon supported by lucas and disney does not mean anything.

>>82060297
FORCE IS DA MAGIC AND CALLS TO PEOPLE FOR MYSTERIOUS REASONS
Anon.
A fucking light saber recognized rey.
Why couldn't the most powerful force user to ever exist recognize his own goddamned son and daughter.
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>>82060450
How are you still not getting this? The Kyber resonates with the Force. The Force gives visions. The Kyber and the Force are connected. The Force wants Rey to take up the lightsaber. The lightsaber has been said to be calling to Rey. How would it do that? Through the Kyber. The Force can work however it wants, it literally does not have to explain shit.

You're dense.
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>>82060577
>The Force can work however it wants, it literally does not have to explain shit.
That's bad writing.
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>>82060403
>No, I remeber them well, and TFA is just all around fucking badly written and dumb.
It's really not, outside of the Jedi Mind Trick bit.
>Kinda is the majority opinion. The people disney pays to push the TFA IS GOOD narrative not withstanding.
Yeah I guess that is why tons of people loved the movie and saw it multiple times right?
>All EA games are apparently canon according to lucas.
No, all things post Disney's buyout are canon. The only EA game post that is Battlefront, and Greedo is in it, which destroys any sense of canon it has.
>No they fucking didn't you lying faggot.
http://makingstarwars.net/2015/12/the-force-ghost-of-anakin-skywalker-was-proposed-to-be-in-the-force-awakens/
>And how in the fuck would he twist anakins words into a person he's never met or seen before? He knows litteraly fuck all about darth vader. Nothing.
Yeah because Luke didn't tell him anything about his grandfather, or Leia. Or the fact that Darth Vader and was an extremely important part of the Galaxy and how he acted.
>Such as?
The scene with the Falcon landing on the meteor while Boba is chasing them is a big one and feels out of place and not needed. I'm not gonna go into massive amounts of scenes that really weren't needed, especially for the PT.
>No. It's not.
The side of the door is literally red to imply it's locked, to which it turns green as it opens and unlocks.
>You're saying the force has no hard and fast rules of what can or can not be done?
Correct.
>Since Lucas enforces or negates every fucking use of the fore and bit of star wars lore ever.
Which are directly contradicted by Lucas himself as time goes on, and as I said before, Psychometry was made canon by Lucas. He has no say in Star Wars anymore anyways.
>Ah, you are fucking stupid.
Amazing counter-argument to a quote directly from Star Wars.
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>>82060435
I disagree with him in the sense that various objects, like Light Sabers, CAN be very much Imbued with The Force.. and perhaps can cause some crazy and/or bad things to happen: See Lando

However I do not buy the nonsense that a Light Saber, or other force imbued object, does not simply hand itself to one person in favor of another.. even if it possibly "calls" to them. Something may call to you but if someone else is simply stronger in the Force than you and gets it first.. then that's how it is mang.
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>>82060510
>You have to physically get it.
Not if you have this wacky thing called the Force, anon.

You're just upset that you can't perceive how the Force can allow for free will and also take proactive measures. You know, like give birth to a Chosen One meant to balance it. The Force has literally guided people since the very first movie. Why did you think Obi-Wan told him to use the Force?
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>>82060599
Hop in your time machine, go back to the Seventies, and tell George that because this has always been the way the Force worked.
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>>82060412
>you just contradicted yourself in less than 5 seconds.
I contradicted nothing. I stated the Force works exactly that way, in that it can favor one person over another, but doesn't always focus on being inherently good.
>If the force isn't "good or bad" then fuck no it can't make decisions for itself in favor of one person over another!
Humans aren't inherently good or bad in their entirety either, so I guess they can't make decisions for itself in favor of one person over another.
>It's not going to deny Kylo cause he's the bad guy and doesn't deserve it in favor of Rey who is the good girl and does deserve it. If it is surrounded by the force, but it "just is" it ought to have no preference as to who takes it.
The Force has no rhyme or reason to it, therefore it's allowed to choose things to it's benefit of how events should go. In this case it chose Rey, it didn't matter if she was good or bad, it was going to choose her regardless.
>The person who takes it is the person who, at the moment, can utilize the force better. That person was Rey.
I guess Dooku can use the Force better than Yoda since Yoda struggled more with the debris protecting Anakin and Obi-Wan than Dooku did when he tossed it during AotC? I mean, the person who is better in the Force can clearly do things better right?
>The Force Flows through you and all that crap, but it doesn't wipe your ass for you.
No, it doesn't. It just does whatever the fuck it wants.
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Are you guys just bored arguing back and forth about the obvious?

I feel like this is an endurance contest
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>>82060677
>Hop in your time machine, go back to the Seventies
>post ends in 77
>Star Wars came out in 1977

The Force truly does work in mysterious ways.
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>>82060516
>Saying I'm wrong but not proving it with real canon supported by lucas and disney does not mean anything.
Ok then.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/lightsaber

>An essential rite of passage for young Jedi is the Gathering. In the Gathering, younglings go to the frigid ice world Ilum, where they search for kyber crystals to build their first lightsabers. The crystals are located in the planet’s Crystal Cave, an intimidating maze, and “call out” to the Jedi they are in tune with.

Bam, done.
>>82060599
You should tell Lucas that then.
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>>82060708
Threads in autosage, you want to actually save a conversation like this for the next thread? Let people get it out of their system now.
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>>82060652
>Not if you have this wacky thing called the Force, anon.

NO SHIT RETARD

YOU STILL HAVE TO UTILIZE YOUR FORCE POWERS TO PHYSICALLY GET THE THING. If you don't use the Force to reach out for the object, and you don't walk over to get it, then you don't get the object.

No fucking way in hell that the Light Saber just magically chose to go to her and did so of its own accord, that would be the most ridiculous shit ever.
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>>82060642
Even then, Kylo was severely injured and still likely wrestling with his decision over Han.
>>82060708
It's just one guy trying to beat his head against a wall of evidence and everyone telling him he's wrong.
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>>82060703
>the force has no rhyme or reason
Wtf is this autism? The force is the connection of all things. What's so hard to grasp?
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>>82060764
She had her hand already stretched out in that scene. The hilt literally flew into her grip. You really are dense.
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>>82060764
No shit she Force Pulled it, The Force deemed it would go to her regardless of what Kylo did, even still he's still weak as fuck at that moment and she already proved she was stronger in the Force than him during the fucking interrogation.

Kylo Ren is fucking weak in the Force, his shining moment of glory is stopping a blaster bolt mid-air when plenty of others just block it with their fucking hands, like Vader.
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>>82060795
Then it's connected to a Lightsaber as well.
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>>82060808
Hard to say how weak he was since it's hard to say how well trained he is. Pain can be a wonderful focusing point for the Dark Side. Vader uses it to fuel his rage. Lords of the Sith makes a point of this, although he's like Banner in Avengers: he's always angry. So when his suit is sealed he can't feel the pain but his heightened strength in the Force is still said to be with him.

That would basically mean Kylo Ren could be wounded yet still getting bursts of power if he gets angry enough. I don't personally think he was doing this in these scenes, but not because of his injuries, rather it was due to his conflict after killing his father. I suspect his focus was split.
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>>82060703
>so I guess they can't make decisions for itself in favor of one person over another.
BINGO

>The Force has no rhyme or reason to it, therefore it's allowed to choose things to it's benefit of how events should go. In this case it chose Rey, it didn't matter if she was good or bad, it was going to choose her regardless.
lol what the fuck, what benefit. It's the fucking Force. It's not like Rey has a better APR or Down Payment on a Space Cruiser than Kylo. It didn't fucking choose her, she had to TAKE IT.

>I guess Dooku can use the Force better than Yoda since Yoda struggled more with the debris protecting Anakin and Obi-Wan than Dooku did when he tossed it during AotC? I mean, the person who is better in the Force can clearly do things better right?
Probably? How the fuck should I know? They are both old but Yoda is clearly much older. Yoda had more to worry about IE those 2 bums, less overall concentration.

>No, it doesn't. It just does whatever the fuck it wants.
So this is what your absurd theory has come down to.
The Lightsaber "Chose" Rey because.. fuck it. That is your final reasoning.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
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>>82060881
Snoke himself says he wasn't finished with his training, he wasn't finished with Luke's training either.

Even then, it's made a point that he fears he'll never be as strong as Vader, and he wont. Vader was still weaker than Palpatine. Kylo Ren may be up there with completed training, but he's not that strong.

And yes, you're right, his focus likely was split. I'm sure having his stomach burst open with a Bowcaster surely didn't help. He's likely using the Dark Side just to keep his ass alive like Maul and Vader did. Bowcaster's are fucking dangerous.
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I USED THE FORCE AND IT MAXIMIZED MY COCK
BUT NOW IT'S TOO BIG
I REALIZE TOO LATE THAT THIS ISN'T WHAT I WANTED
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>>82060807
... yes.. wow.. you managed to watch the movie and noticed something...

she used the force to get the object... good observational skills.

>>82060808
>Kylo Ren is weak in the Force
make up your fucking mind, was his utilization of the Force, at that moment, too weak to get the Saber, or did the Saber deliberately disregard him? You can't fucking have it both ways. If he was physically strong enough in the Force to get the Light Saber he would have gotten it, regardless of who the Saber "called" to.
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>>82060577
That's not how it works.
Visions come from the force itself and places that have a lot of natural force like that cave on dagoba.

At no point have kyber crystals given visions or did ANY of that shit.

You're full of it.

That entire fucking scene singlehandedly invalidated all actions in star wars.

>>82060609
>It's really not, outside of the Jedi Mind Trick bit.
No, dude. TFA is badly written hogwash. It's fucking stupid and badly done overall.

>Yeah I guess that is why tons of people loved the movie and saw it multiple times right?
You say so.

>No, all things post Disney's buyout
No, the MMO is apparently canon. For some reason.

>http://makingstarwars.
That's fucking PR you stupid cunt. Just like the numerous fan theories that are spread around to justify how bad the movie is.

>Yeah because Luke didn't tell him
Yeah...
You don't realize how you contradicted yourself do you. Luke and Leia would have told him about Darth Vader and Luke would have taught him about the force and with him being all powerful with the force and fucking shit he should be able to see fucking force ghosts. HE DONT.
It's a fucking plot hole.

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>>82060930
>BINGO
I like how you just completely ignored the rest of that despite my complete sentence telling you you're wrong, and that humans can do that, so why can't the force?
>lol what the fuck, what benefit. It's the fucking Force. It's not like Rey has a better APR or Down Payment on a Space Cruiser than Kylo. It didn't fucking choose her, she had to TAKE IT.
There is clearly a benefit in it, just as there was a benefit in The Father wiping Anakin's mind after he learned he'd become Vader and what he'd have to do to end the Clone Wars.

Also it did choose her, that's said in the movie, she just had to reach out and accept that fate, which she did when she Force Pulled it to her.
>
Probably? How the fuck should I know? They are both old but Yoda is clearly much older. Yoda had more to worry about IE those 2 bums, less overall concentration.
Yoda can lift a fucking X-Wing and fight on par with Palpatine, I doubt a minor amount of debris means he's weaker in the Force than Dooku who just casually threw it.
>That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
Again, welcome to Star Wars, enjoy your stay. Take it up with George Lucas' vision of The Force if you have a problem with it. The Force has always done as it pleased, whether it led to good or bad. Sometimes it picked bad, sometimes it picked good, it didn't matter.
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>>82060089
>a garbage ep of a show that is at best tolerated by the star wars fans

Don't you talk like that 'bout Mama the Hutt, she's a real Southern Belle.
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>>82060979
>this sounds like something Ezra would actually do
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>>82061016
SWTOR is not canon you literal tard.
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>>82060949
Not sure how bad Chewie's bolt hurt him. He didn't react like the others, so something is going on. The Visual Dictionary points out that he's wearing armor, so it's very likely that while the bolt clearly did damage the hit wasn't nearly as vicious as it was on everyone else. Yeah, even when Stormtroopers were being hurled backwards ten feet.

As a Knight of Ren, in fact as their Master, I wouldn't be surprised he gets better gear even over stormtroopers. A New Dawn made it a point that cortosis armor is very good against blaster bolts, defusing the energy of the shot, so it's likely something like that which reduced the energy of the bolt so it wasn't as strong when it finally penetrated the armor. Curiously so far cortosis (not saying that's what was used, btw) has ONLY been mentioned for it's anti-blaster qualities instead of it's traditional anti-lightsaber role.
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>>82060089
How could you hate an episode that had Vos in it?
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>>82061016
>The scene with the Falcon landing on the meteor
You mean the scene where they go inside of the meteor and have to escape the giant worm? That's world and character building and also felt natural you retard.
The bar scene in TFA? Did none of that. It was yet another callback where Abrams slipped in his shitty oc garbage.

>The side of the door is literally red to imply it's locked, to which it turns green as it opens and unlocks.
Dude, I'm going to be honest with you. When I first saw that I thought "she has to be dreaming this the door isn't opening on it's own it has too many bad implications if this is what is going on" . I simply chalked it up to her imagining all of that shit.

You have any idea as to what that makes every person in the star wars universe and the force? The force is a dispassionate active god entity that randomly manipulates reality to make things happen for some unexplainable pourpose. NOTHING anyone does means fucking anything in this universe. They are all litterally fucking puppets. Slaves to omnipresent will of some thing.
The force should NEVER be that active because it makes everything pointless.

>Correct.
Then you are wrong.
>Which are directly contradicted by Lucas himself as time goes on, and as I said before, Psychometry was made canon by Lucas. He has no say in Star Wars anymore anyways.
Contradicted when? Give an example.

>Amazing counter-argument to a quote directly from Star Wars.
That's not a counter argument. That's a statement of fact
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>>82061033
Mama is top tier waifu material
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>>82061007
>too weak to get the Saber, or did the Saber deliberately disregard him?
Both. Yes you can have it both ways. He was too weak to put up a fight to obtain the Lightsaber, and in the end it didn't matter because Kyber Crystal/Force chose Rey anyways.

If he hadn't been injured he would have at least put up a fight for it, compared to it just sitting there in the snow barely moving, and then completely fly towards Rey when she attempted it.

It's definitely both.
>>82061016
>No, dude. TFA is badly written hogwash. It's fucking stupid and badly done overall.
Opinion.
>You say so.
The Box Office says so.
>No, the MMO is apparently canon. For some reason.
They've explicitly stated that it is not canon.
>That's fucking PR you stupid cunt. Just like the numerous fan theories that are spread around to justify how bad the movie is.
There are tons of articles on Anakin's Force Ghost appearing in TFA. Besides there were tons of fan theories around for the OT and PT too, guess those were just around to justify how bad the movie is, or Obi-wan living in ANH was just PR, even though it was in the original script, right?
>You don't realize how you contradicted yourself do you. Luke and Leia would have told him about Darth Vader and Luke would have taught him about the force and with him being all powerful with the force and fucking shit he should be able to see fucking force ghosts. HE DONT.
They don't just magically pop up all over the place because you're strong in the Force, they can choose to appear or not, they're still conscious beings.

As for the Kyber Crystal comment see >>82060739, they call out to the Jedi.
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>>82061007
>she used the force to get the object... good observational skills.
If only you had such powers then anons wouldn't need to point these out to you.

>too weak to get the Saber, or did the Saber deliberately disregard him? You can't fucking have it both ways.

Yes you can, and easily. He was too weak to effectively grab the sword but that's okay it was going to ignore him anyway. Bam, done.

Shit, son, with a mind like your own no wonder you can't notice these things.
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>>82061016
>That's not how it works.
>Visions come from the force itself and places that have a lot of natural force like that cave on dagoba.
>At no point have kyber crystals given visions or did ANY of that shit.
You're obviously confused. Here, we'll go slow

The Force gives visions.

Kyber crystals are attuned with the Force.

Kyber crystals can call out to Force sensitives.

More than one thing can happen in the same scene so the kyber crystal can call out to her with the Force AND the Force can show her visions.

You know how it can do both? Because it's actually the same thing behind both phenomenon.
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>>82060089
It's still canon whether you like it or not, and if we want to go back to EU, it first appeared in 1994 in "The Courtship of Princess Leia" novel where Luke Skywalker used it, and has several times.

Also TCW is great and most Star Wars fans agree that is it goes on it's some of the best Star Wars material there is, especially in regards to the Prequel/Grand Republic Era.

You should probably get back to your billboard and Mando DeviantArt account.
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>>82061022
>There is clearly a benefit in it, just as there was a benefit in The Father wiping Anakin's mind after he learned he'd become Vader and what he'd have to do to end the Clone Wars.
But if the Force doesn't know, nor care, who is "good" or "bad", as you say, as we all know...
then what the fuck does it know what benefits it. what does it care what "benefits" it.. does it have enough sentience to realize/understand "benefits"

Or is it.. as YOU say.. JUST IS

>Yoda can lift a fucking X-Wing and fight on par with Palpatine, I doubt a minor amount of debris means he's weaker in the Force than Dooku who just casually threw it.
He can be weaker at the moment, or his concentration can not be completely there AS I JUST FUCKING EXPLAINED TO YOU.

Sure Yoda can 1 on 1 duel or lift an X-Wing when that's all he has to focus on. Yet when fighting Dooku he had to worry about him as well as the well being of those 2 fucks.

>Again, welcome to Star Wars, enjoy your stay. Take it up with George Lucas' vision of The Force if you have a problem with it. The Force has always done as it pleased, whether it led to good or bad. Sometimes it picked bad, sometimes it picked good, it didn't matter.

It's YOUR vision of the force, and it's fucking retarded. That's that.
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Guys don't bother anymore, you're arguing against a brick wall. No matter what you say he's not going to backtrack or agree with you in any way so just let it go.
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>>82061158
>>82061161
Bullshit

you are just reaching for some gigantic fanfic nonsense to try to pretend The Force has a mind of its own.

I'd like to try the brand of Death Sticks you fucks are trying to come up with this hilarious garbage.
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>>82061233
Nothing else going on in the thread right now. I mean you're right, but why have any conversation here? Threads eventually die, no permanent record (not entirely true since there is a built-in archive and desustorage but still this isn't like a web forum), and we end up having the same arguments quite frequently. It's none of our jobs to convince people of anything, and often it has no point. Since we're nearly all anons you never know if you're ever going to talk to the same person again. What is the point?

So people find their own reasons to post. It's important to them, I guess.
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>>82061224
>But if the Force doesn't know, nor care, who is "good" or "bad", as you say, as we all know...
>then what the fuck does it know what benefits it. what does it care what "benefits" it.. does it have enough sentience to realize/understand "benefits"
Something good or bad can benefit something. It's a narrow minded viewpoint to assume just because something is considered bad that you can't benefit from it in any way.

The point was that it doesn't matter whether the thing is good or bad, only what benefits the Force, and as I just said, both can benefit something, some more than others, so it picks and chooses.
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Sure Yoda can 1 on 1 duel or lift an X-Wing when that's all he has to focus on. Yet when fighting Dooku he had to worry about him as well as the well being of those 2 fucks.
He wasn't fighting Dooku, Dooku put his lightsaber away and ran off the moment he threw it.
>It's YOUR vision of the force, and it's fucking retarded. That's that.
And it's George Lucas', he's stated it several times, as have canon sources made by George Lucas either alluded to or straight up said it as well.

It's quite clear you're going to argue regardless, so I'm just gonna sit here and nod my head, yes anon, you're right about everything, oh yes, everything but the OT is bad and should be wiped from existence, the EU is bad, it's all bad, yep, just all bad.
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>>82061158
>Opinion.
So says every single critic who is not on disney's payroll or under disneys' sway.

>The Box Office says so.
It was a new star wars and disney basically pulled every single string on the planet and hit every single fucking venue and shilled it nonstop for months even years.
It making as much as it did is a foregone conclusion. You can convince people to watch any mediocre shit and make money. Look at fucking MoS and all IM movies after 1. It being good is what we are debating about. And no, it is not.
No one is talking about it in any kind of positive lightl It has no positive impact on the public consciousness, no big thing that became a natural non forced thing that took on a life of it's own. No matrix bullet time nothing.
That whole TRAITOR thing was so goddamned obviously an attempt at creating a meme.

>
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>>82061270
>Midi-chlorians are microscopic, intelligent lifeforms that live within the cells of all living beings.
>intelligent
>he Living Force represented the energies of all living things, and those energies were fed into the Cosmic Force that bound the galaxy together and communicated to individuals through the midi-chlorians.
>midi-chlorians
>intelligent

Now shut the fuck up.
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>>82061374
They've explicitly stated that it is not canon.
Link
>There are tons of articles on Anakin's Force Ghost appearing in TFA. Besides there were tons of fan theories around for the OT and PT too, guess those were just around to justify how bad the movie is, or Obi-wan living in ANH was just PR, even though it was in the original script, right?
....
It's PR. Deal.

>They don't just magically pop up all over the place because you're strong in the Force, they can choose to appear or not, they're still conscious beings.
And Anakin ignored that little kylo ren faggot because? Why...
And yeah, they do appear just because you're strong in the force.
They appeared to luke.
Since the fucking force is opening doors on it's own and blowing up star ships and giving random nobodies jedi master level powers and skill then having a force ghost pop up should be nothing.

As for the Kyber Crystal comment see >>82060739, they call out to the Jedi.
You're going from saying that objects that strong force users owned being strong with the force to kyra crystals or whatever calling to force users.
That's fucking stupid.
Give me one instance where those crystals gave people a boost in or link to the force. Cause that is apparently what you're saying.

The movie is directly stating that the force is active and manipulates and creates events for no actual defined pourpose. That is fucked up in nearly every conceivable way and makes star wars the most horrible thing I can imagine.
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do books ever leak early? Excited as fuck for Bloodline
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>>82061400
Lucas stated that the midichlorians only SHOW UP in people with the force and have nothing to do with the force in any real way.
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>>82061374
Because it is an opinion. I know far more people that love TFA than I do those that hate it.

With that said, the box office alone domestically implies that quite a few people had to have seen it more than once based on general family size and average ticket price in the US. Not that hard to figure out.

And if it didn't have a public consciousness people wouldn't still be talking about theories and stuff in it, like they did with Ep. 1-6.
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>>82061449

> Because it is an opinion. I know far more people that love TFA than I do those that hate it.

Not the guy you're arguing with but this is the opposite of my situation
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>>82061424
>stated they're in all living things in Ep. 1
>re-again stated by Lucas himself during TCW
>TCW explicitly states what I said as does TPM

You're a fucking retard you know that?
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>>82061327
You don't seem to understand the concept of "benefit." A benefit is something good happening, in this case to the Force

but according to you The Force doesn't care and/or cannot differentiate between good and bad.

So how does it actually "Benefit" from.. well.. anything. How would it even know if it "Benefits"

If the Force doesn't know, or care, what is "good" then how does it know, or care, what is "good" for itself.


Sheev used the Dark Side of the force to manipulate/murder his way to the top, and stay at the top, over the course of what.. 60 something years? From your logic.. the Force sure as hell "benefited" in some fashion if it "allowed" Sheev to utilize it the way he did. So then why did Sheev ultimately fail.. if the Force was having such a good time benefiting from Sheev for so long why would it want to stop.
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>>82061424
Actually they show up in everyone. Last arc of TCWs with Yoda and the Priestesses. Fun times. They act as conduits between the Living and Cosmic Force. When you die the Midi-Chlorians in your body redeposit your lifeforce back into the Cosmic Force. Yes, even if you're disintegrated. How? They use the Force.

Also as per Qui-Gon without them you wouldn't even know the Will of the Force, so they most certainly play a role. Was he crazy? Sure, but he was also onto some hot truth the rest of the Jedi were dismissing and almost cracked the Ghost code on his own.
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>>82061473
And that's fair, that's how opinions work. That guy is acting like pretty much everyone who isn't on Disney's payroll must absolutely loathe the movie and everything about it.

I personally love the movie, as I love the prequels and the originals, they all have their flaws, some more than others. Star Wars is just great to me personally, and hell I wish I was on Disney's payroll, I'd be making fucking bank.
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>>82061327
>>82061488

> people arguing about a metaphysical force's will from a human perspective

It's like bible school all over again
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>>82061488
>You don't seem to understand the concept of "benefit." A benefit is something good happening, in this case to the Force
You don't understand the concept of logic.

I was once on drugs, I was arrested, that is not a good thing, however I benefited from it because it got me to go to rehab and not end up ODing in an alleyway somewhere.

Do you see how you bad things can directly lead to beneficial things? You probably don't because you're stupid.

As for the Sheev comment, watch Ghosts of Mortis, it's very clear that things must happen with Vader and the only way for that to happen is Sheev must rise to power. Simple logic.
>>82061502
Qui-Gon was honestly probably the most in-tune with the Force and the strongest among the Jedi in regards to that honestly.
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>>82061400
>>82061476
>Intelligent
Qui Gon actually didn't go that far.

They may have some kind of remarkable sentience but he didn't go as far as to say The Force does whatever it wants.
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>>82061565
lol your pathetic life story is a cause effect benefit, not a direct benefit.

You didn't even answer the fucking question about how the FORCE would even know what is "GOOD" for it or not, if.. afte rall.. according to you.. the Force cannot care/differentiate between good and bad.

That is the entire point you are trying to make right, that the FORCE benefits right? Who the fuck cares about YOU.

HOW DOES THE FORCE KNOW WHAT IS GOOD FOR ITSELF IF THE FORCE CANNOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN GOOD AND BAD? ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION.
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>>82061476
No, you faggot. The midichlorians are never stated to be anything more then just the fucking things that show up in people with the force.
They have nothing to do with the force nor are they intelligent.

Give me a direct quite from the movie and or lucas who backs up your fucktardation.

>>82061540
What?
No look. It's quite plain as day that TFA establishes that the force itself is a conscious thing that manipulates reality for some unknowable pourpse.
That no one at any point has any say in anything they will ever do because the force itself has the final say.
That everyone is litterally a slave to the force and can do nothing.,

The movie is called "The force awakens" not "The jedi return..again" or "The rise and fall of the new order"
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>>82061576
He says you can sense the will of the Force through them, they're an essential element, but I do not think it's by themselves but still just the Force. We know thanks to the arc with Windu vs Talzin that everyone has midi-chlorians and thus Living Force (obviously if you are alive), it's just higher in Force users. This makes sense with the Midi-Chlrorians providing the Force energies to for their powers. They serve a role of super power mitochondria, not surprising given that's where the name comes from.

Still I do like the theory that the reason Qui-Gon tested Anakin's blood wasn't to show he had a high degree of super powered magic amoebas in his blood. It's because of their connection to the Living Force. Yoda is a long lived species so he'd surely have a high degree of Living Force. If you found levels that high in a mere human this could serve as evidence that he's a virgin birth, that the midi-chlorians helped create him in conjunction with the Force. It's a fun theory, at least to me. It's supported by circumstantial evidence when Talzin and the Nightsisters empowered Savage presumably by flooding him with the Living Force. It gave him Force powers but also made him larger, very strong, and incredibly durable, able to shrug off blaster bolts. He was literally chock full of life energies.
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>>82061733
>Give me a direct quite from the movie and or lucas who backs up your fucktardation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoVpSPXGCvc
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>>82061648
The answer is that the Force can't know what benefits it, since it wouldn't know what a benefit is. Therefore that other anon is just full of shit.
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>>82061648
A benefit is still a benefit, and it's very easy for The Force to work on cause & effect benefit.

Also if you want an answer, Midi-chlorians are part of the Cosmic Force and have been canonized to be intelligence lifeforms.

As for the point, it was an example how something bad can lead to a beneficial scenario, which you yourself implied was not possible as the Force would have to act on something good in order to obtain something good, which is not true. Also who fucking cares about you.

The Force knows what the benefits are, it chooses between two sides. For example if I know the benefits of Choose A and Choose B, then I shall choose the one that will be more beneficial for me despite not knowing whether A or B is good or bad. A 5 year old can understand such simple logic.
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>>82061778
And lucas recanted and said that the midichlorians are just there and have nothing to do with the force.

Never brought it up at any other point in any form of media after that.
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>>82061733
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoVpSPXGCvc

You mean this fuckwad?
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>>82061886
And he re-iterated it in TCW that they are indeed intelligent lifeforms and have everything to do with the Force.
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>>82061886
>And lucas recanted and said that the midichlorians are just there and have nothing to do with the force.

No he didn't.

>Never brought it up at any other point in any form of media after that.
Star Wars The Clone Wars. Last arc with Yoda. Episode: Destiny.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2dtl20_star-warsthe-clone-wars-season-6-episode-12-destiny_videogames

Cut to 8 minutes and forty seconds in if you don't want to watch the whole thing.
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>>82061886
Lucas never once said that, find me the source.
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>>82061736
I think the whole "the force flows through every living thing" actually contradicts the force having a mind of its own to the absurd degree some of these other anons believe.

Some of the Force/Midichlorians are stuck with people that can't utilize it, therefore it doesn't get to do anything. Qui Gon said that The Force and Living Creatures are Symbiotic.. but for people unable to utilize the Force.. that relationship seems rather unnecessary.
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>>82061874
But the Force doesn't know/care about the difference between what is good and bad. So how can the Force choose 1 side over another based off potential choices if it doesn't even comprehend/care what those choices are, particularly beyond the basic biological level of the force being within a person.
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>>82061988
But it's been confirmed that the Force calls out to some and not to others as well, as others stated with the Kyber Crystals.

Even then you can assume this. A Force Sensitive Jedi had a son, but that son doesn't have high midi-chlorian count and can't utilize the Force, but is alive because of it. Their symbiotic relationship is life in that regard as opposed to life and force sensitivity. Honestly it can be taken either way, but the Force does seem to have a will of it's own in some regards and it is canon to be intelligent, how intelligent is a different story though, but it does seem to be capable of things not even counting TFA of it's own.
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>>82061988
Why do you assume the Force wants all life able to have super powers? It's part of a natural cycle. The Living Force is imparted through the Midi-Chlorians, which are created by the Cosmic Force, and in due time the Living Force passes back into the Cosmic through the Midi-Chlorians.

It's always been about symbiosis for Lucas since the Prequels. One renews the other, one feeds the other. It is a perpetual cycle.

The Force merely wants life. And yes some things have to happen that may seem cruel. You might as well go to a church and bitch about how God can let plagues happen and see how the priests respond. It's a vast unknown beyond time and space, it doesn't have to behave in ways you understand.

So some people are able to exert their willpower back on the Force or use it's energies for their own purposes. The Sith corrupt it, seek to master rather than be guided by it, and upset the balance. The Jedi seek to carry out the will of the Force and maintain the balance, but they're still fallible beings. When things get too out of whack the Force can take actions.
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Yeah I guess The Force doesn't have minds of it's own right?
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>>82061874
>The Force was okay with Alderaan being destroyed and billions of people dying because the eventual effect would be a benefit
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>>82062081
>Jedi seek to carry out the will of the Force and maintain the Balance
>maintain the Balance
who told you these lies.
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>>82062095
did they have a mind of their own? or did they simply "do"
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>>82062027
You're pretending to know everything about an all-powerful (fictional) cosmic sentience beyond time and space. Why does God let Satan exist? Why doesn't he just snap his fingers and make everyone good? Why does he tolerate free will and the capacity to choose good and evil as individuals if he has a plan?

Besides, you shouldn't confuse the Dark Side necessarily with evil. It's negative emotions, but anger and fear exist for a reason. They're natural. Stub your toe and your anger creates Dark Side energies. A war, mass death, violence, and suffering generates Dark Side energies on a vast scale.

But some of that is natural. People will always make stupid decisions. Greed and acting for yourself and even acting out of fear will always exist. Pain and suffering exist. They're all part of life, just as death is. It's when a group like the Sith try to spread as much Dark Side as they can with vast galactic slave empires and super weapons, that's what screws the balance.

The light literally cannot exist without the dark, but both sides are meant to be in balance. When it gets out of balance the Force tries to correct things, but using living beings as it's agents. Anakin was born and when that looked certain to fail Yoda was given the Great Gift of life after death so that he could be around to train the one who will save the galaxy.
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>>82062153
The Dark Side exists within every being as does the Light, that's balance, it exists even in the Jedi. So yes they do seek to keep it in balance. The issue with the Sith is that they spread the Dark Side tipping the scales and disrupting the balance through war and death, which escalates the Dark Side above the light to a point it becomes literal corruption of The Force.

He's not wrong. The Jedi just do a shit job at doing things.
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>>82062153
It's the truth anon.
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>>82062153
Star Wars. Why, what told you otherwise?
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>>82062169
>You're pretending to know everything about an all-powerful (fictional) cosmic sentience beyond time and space.
lol so are you.

all of you are pathetic, go to sleep/work.
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>>82062153
Please tell me you're not one of those idiots that things "balance the Force" means 2 Jedi and 2 Sith.
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>>82062176
I think people forget, for some reason, that Star Wars has a very healthy dose of Eastern religion and philosophy in it's genetics. Light and Dark, Yin and Yang. Two sides, both existing, each as opposite ends of a scale. When the balance isn't maintained the scales tip to one side and order is lost.
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>>82062189
Nope, I just paid attention to the movies and shows. Works wonders, anon, you should try it yourself some time.
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>>82062165
No, they definitely had sentience. Now whether the Force Priestesses have sentience or not is a different story, they at least are representative or certain emotional aspects.
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>>82062208
Yep, it has a lot of influences mashed together honestly. Where some of it doesn't entirely make sense with each other, but it is what it is, I think it's a good job considering.
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>>82062182
The Empire.

Picture related, Jedi Young-lings in training.

You look at that picture, and then you really sit there and think about what the Jedi does and you tell me they are different. When you try to tell me they are different, I laugh at you.
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>>82062227
more like you fantasized too much about strictly established material but thats fine, go ahead and believe whatever you want nutcase.
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Interesting note since we're all on the force right now.

>"Originally, I was trying to have the story be told by somebody else (an immortal being known as a Whill); there was somebody watching this whole story and recording it, somebody probably wiser than the mortal players in the actual events. I eventually dropped this idea, and the concepts behind the Whills turned into the Force. But the Whills became part of this massive amount of notes, quotes, background information that I used for the scripts; the stories were actually taken from the Journal of the Whills."
>, canon material from the official Databank and the now-defunct Encyclopedia on StarWars.com still refer to Jinn as having learned from a "Shaman of the Whills," the Ancient Order of the Whills having first been referenced in the novelization of the original Star Wars film.

Remember the Owl that keeps showing up in TCW/Rebels as well that has a connection to the Priestesses and watches events. Just though some people might find that interesting despite the argument that was going on or is still going on.
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>>82062230
I'm not even sure if they were dead, or alive after death, or if that was just their natural state of existence. When the one tells Yoda they are what he will become do they mean alive after death or just that he will exist in a state that is naturally their own?

Or does it even matter? According to the databank that was where they dwell, so they live in this weird space between the Living and Cosmic Force, where midi-chlorians are born, and the normal operating rules of physics and reality are dubious to say the least.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/force-priestesses
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>>82062259
Jedi don't train with firearms, you nerfherder.
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>>82062259
You're not even trying anymore
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>>82062259
They're different in a morality sense, yes. They understand that there is Good and Evil in everyone and that must be balanced, too much Good causes problems, as does too much Evil, whereas the Sith do not understand this.

The Jedi aren't a great sect of space monks honestly, and yes they can be compared to terrorist organizations essentially, but the morality and efforts in general are different.
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>>82062274
It's okay, anon. You'll get used to being wrong. Eventually.

Or not, who cares.
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>>82062205
what, no

I mean that the Jedi have no true intention to "balance" the force, only instill their one sided view of it.. which basically roots out all dark side.. which would not be balance at all.
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>>82062291
I think they function like a higher form of Force Ghost essentially. Kind of like what The Ones would become if they were Force Ghosts I imagine. They just exist as more of a consciousness I believe, similar to the Force Ghosts. I believe the difference with The Ones is they existed as some point as the Killik and were a Hive-Mind that eventually evolved and took part in the Font of Power and the Pool of Knowledge. I think that is the main difference between the two. The Ones are a hive-mind of The Force, while they're more of a consciousness of ideals and emotions, sort of beings.

Honestly, I don't know how to explain it properly. The Force is fucking weird man.
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>>82062259
Oh look, it's FN-2187 and the First Order Graduating Class of 57 ABY!
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>>82062300
They train with weapons? They train to learn and develop their means of violence.. do they not?

And actually yes they do train with firearms in the sense that the ones that become pilots use the blasters on the craft sooo there is that as well.

>>82062320
>Different in a Moral sense
POINT OF VIEEWWWW
ISIS believe what they are doing is "Good". ISIS is teaching their "younglings" a very strict doctrine of what to believe.. and it is either their way or no way. They are also teaching their younglings how to utilize violence in order to instill their beliefs.

The Jedi do THE EXACT THING. Take (KIDNAP) infants. Slam strict one sided doctrines into their minds that their way is the only way, and teach them to use violence to solve their problems.

And before you say "oh but Jedi don't like to go the violent route" First of all if you can bend people to your will without having to kill them then sure go for it.

2nd despite the Jedi always "seeking" peaceful resolutions it never comes to that and they always end up slashing away their problems.
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>>82062345
It is balance, because the Dark still exists within every being, it's not just a Sith thing. The Jedi may try to be rid of all emotions and focus only on the balance, but they themselves are guilty of plenty of emotions, which slightly tips this scale of good and evil both ways. The Sith however, completely tip it one way, throwing everything out of whack. It's why they want to root out the Sith, because they're disrupting what should naturally occur within all living beings. The Jedi never really instill their thought process on everybody in the galaxy, they just allow them to exist as they naturally would, outside of the Sith, like as I said, throw everything out of whack basically.
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>>82062345
The Jedi are meant to maintain the balance, anon. They don't instill their one sided view. Know how you can tell? They don't make you worship the Force as they do. You can go about with your own understanding of events. All they are meant to do is keep the peace, which doesn't mean stopping every bank holdup or kiss your booboo when you stub your toe but to try to mediate between peoples who could end up causing planets to go to war, which would create chaos and generates Dark Side energy. They try to keep the galaxy from ripping itself apart so that life can go on.

On their best days that's all they are. But they're mortal, so they can and do screw up.
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>>82062442
bullshit you know as well as everyone here that if the Jedi had their way there would be no "dark side" to anything anymore. They do not seek to balance the force at all.
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>>82062438
>ISIS believe what they are doing is "Good". ISIS is teaching their "younglings" a very strict doctrine of what to believe.. and it is either their way or no way. They are also teaching their younglings how to utilize violence in order to instill their beliefs.
Except Jedi don't give a fuck if you leave the Order behind or don't want to join the Order. They're not going to out-right kill you because you don't want to be a Jedi or believe in their ways. The only way they do that is if you become a Sith and even then they try not to kill you unless they have a choice, and the Sith need to be killed as they destroy the balance, they're literal corruption.
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>>82062259
I think you mean First Order Stormtroopers and even Imperial Stormtroopers based on what we've seen of kids at the Academy on Lothal.

You can tell because of the guns. Jedi use swords. They also teach medication and magic tricks which I think most people would be cool with being indoctrinated if they could learn to use the Force.
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>>82062438
But the kids in your image aren't fighter pilots, you filthy sleemo.
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>>82062460
The Jedi could have their way, they're fucking space wizards. They could have done so at any point before Palpatine and went on a crusade across the galaxy and took it over, but they didn't. They just focused on preserving the balance and doing jobs that the Republic gave them. Even Yoda has dealt with the Dark Side on more than one occasion, even he has feared. Hell he lives on a fucking planet with the Dark Side, I will grant that that is so the Empire and Vader/Palpatine can't sniff him out, he's still very tolerable of it because it's natural.
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>>82062498
they could be if they had the means/training to get to that point.

Anakin became a Spacefighter Pilot did he not? He used blasters there. Albiet bigger more powerful ones.. but blasters non the less.
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All this talk of younglings. It's interesting how the databank on starwars.com gives more info on them than in the movie like they train in clans

http://www.starwars.com/databank/jedi-youngling

The little shits training with Yoda when Obi-Wan interrupted them in AOTCs were Bear Clan

http://www.starwars.com/databank/bear-clan

I assume the ones Vader ended up killing were the aptly named Pussy Willow Clan.
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>>82062499
The Jedi crusaded and purged the Sith and the Dark Side several times. And they all ended with half the Order turning to the Dark Side because no one in Star Wars can ever keep their shit together. The Force just enforces its own balance whether the Jedi or Sith like it or not.
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>>82062533
Comparing smallarms to aircraft weapons is like comparing yourself to a decent human being.
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>>82062542
Terrorists in training.
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>>82062552
They haven't purged the Dark Side, that's impossible, they'd have to eradicate all life in the universe.
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>>82062571
I think you are desperately trying to sidestep the point that a weapon is a fucking weapon, and the Jedi trained themselves and their younglings to use weapons/violence to solve their problems.

Nice try asshat.
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>>82062542
I never realized, is that a fucking Trandoshan Jedi?

Fuck I want a Trandoshan Jedi, that sounds awesome.
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>>82062574
You'd have to go against the status quo or actively incite terror to be a terrorist. The Jedi are more like an omnipresent religious militia with more power than they have any right to.
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>>82062580
Then I guess that's what the Jedi have to do. For the "Greater Good" everyone must die.
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>>82062591
There is no try
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>>82062609
then you, or him, are just sidestepping facts.

A weapon is a weapon, and the Jedi have no problems using them and teaching their younglings to use them.
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>>82062599
The greater good doesn't beat the natural order of balance. Besides if they did that, they'd be no better than the Sith and be corrupting the force themselves.

The Light and Dark Sides of the Force would exist whether the Jedi/Sith existed or not. They literally have no barring other than Natural Balance and Corruption.
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>>82062591
>>82062629
I can't believe anyone could be so uncivilized. You'd honestly treat an E-11 Rifle the same as an LN-6 Laser Cannon? The fuck is the matter with you?
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>>82062651
They'd be no better, but they wouldn't believe that due to the degree of how far the Jedi are up their own ass.

They'd rationalize doing something terrible by making themselves believe it was magnanimous.
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>>82062591
We actually don't know the canon reason that Lightsabers were first used. It could have been their only way to deal with the Mandalorians and their need for conquest and war which upset the balance of Light/Dark.

If we're using Legends then it's a combination of the Rakata who channeled the Dark Side through Forcesabers and the a mixture of the Je'Daii Order learning how to freeze blaster bolts into fixed lengths, and they just became a ceremonial thing after awhile.
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>>82062688
Oh the Jedi definitely have their own sense of ego, but they're not on the levels of ISIS, they at least allow others to live with their own life choices outside of the Sith or things that are upsetting the balance. Even then some of them try to bring said Sith back to the light.

I mean Jedi are no better you're right, they're hypocrites too, "Only a Sith deals in absolutes". But they at least have a better outlook than say the Sith or ISIS by a good margin.
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>>82060979
>I-I don't mind...
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new thrad wan
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>>82062847
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>>82032201
Surely those question marks are actually supposed to be different characters that your web browser just isn't displaying. Nobody would type like that.
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