>JOSS WHEDON CAME OFF OF AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON FEELING LIKE

At least now he can spend more time with his feminist bestie.

>>82002683

Maybe you should have fucking followed through on Cap lifting Mjolnir, faggotron.

>>82002683
Welcome to almost exactly a year ago today, OP.

Invest in oil. Seriously. It just goes up all year. You wouldn't believe what we're paying now.

Why can Joss admit his shortcomings while Snyder can't?

Film was fucking great beyond...
>Wasting and killing off the baron.
>Bit too many quips.
>Ultron not being quite menacing enough.

>>82002824
here's your (You), lazy shitposter

>>82002683
i'd like to hear Edgar Wright's thoughts on Ant-Man today

awww poor baby

Francis Ford Coppola dealt with the jungle, a coked up dennis hopper and Marlon Brando filming Apocalypse Now. Then he went and worked with Marlon Brando AGAIN.

Werner Herzog dealt with even more shit and a psychotic Klaus Kinski trying to kill everyone.

This fucking manchild retard makes two superhero movies and considers retirement. What a wuss.

The Russos are on two Captain America movies and on to TWO Avengers movies and having a blast.

Fuck this prick.

>>82002780
Joss is beta, Snyder is a failed alpha

>>82002706
Didn't he piss a lot of them off though?

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>>82002683
Maybe you shouldn't have tried to write Buffy 2.0 or you shouldn't have killed off Quickslav or forced that Banner/Natasha bullshit.

>>82002824

>Mos
>Genuinely incredible

Laughinggirls.jpg

>>82002931
it's genuinely incredible how awful it is

>>82002780
Because Snyder is a better filmaker than Whedon, who at best is an ok tv director...in the 90s, now he would get destroyed with the quality of some of the stuff thats on tv.

What a fucking hack.

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>>82002824

>>82002965
Not a single thing reaches a light year close to being Awful in the film.

>>82002780

He probably will once he is off JL 2

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>>82002824
>Because Snyder genuinely made a fucking incredible film with MOS.

YOU'RE BANANAS.

>>82003066
>the disgusting blue filter
>jonathan kent, sociopath
>dildo prison pods on krypton
>"Evolution always win" - said by a genetically engineered supersoldier

wow off the top of my head I just listed four. you lose, have a terrible day, stop posting.

>>82002714
You dumb fuck, that is so obviously something that should be saved for Infinity War 2 to fight Thanos.

>>82003141
first laugh after a long exhausting bad day, thanks anon

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>>82002824

>>82002781
You forgot :
>another useless army of disposable goons

>>82003141

>people only now jumping on the Mackie Train

That video was out for ages. Tha said, I like his down to earth personality, reminds me of Michael Shannon a bit in interviews.

>>82003180
>dildo prison pods on krypton
Of the movie's many, many problems, this one baffles me the most.

The first time that design was shown to ANYBODY, how was their reaction not "Why does it look like a cock?"

>>82002780
>Joss
>admit his shortcomings
What? Doesn't he always put the blame on the executives and everybody else whenever a projectt turns out bad?

Good, he should be feeling like a miserable failure. The bastard did to pop culture at large what Rob Liefeld did to comics.

>>82002781
And Quicksilver dying wasn't great, but it might be so he can come back later.
Otherwise, spot on.

>>82003234
>>another useless army of disposable goons
do you not read comics? It's ok to admit

>>82003234
And
>unnecessary HulkWidow out of nowhere

>>82003217

by then fox should have given up rebooting f4 and give the rights back to marvel, maybe we can see Annihilation?

>>82002683
>Whedon blaming others

Kill yourself Whedon.

>>82003251
With how well the Russos are doing he cant really blame the committee anymore

>>82003234
Ultron is the king of useless disposable goons.
BTW, every single team movie will be useless disposable goons from here on out. The only wxceptikns thus far have been the good X-men movies, but Magneto is always the villian in those.

>>82003304
do it yourself, bitch

Is his career effectively dead?

>>82002781
Film was fucking great beyond...
>The story
>The characters
>The subplots
>The studio-forced sequel buildup
>The action
>The villain being pathetically incapable of fighting the combined might of the Avengers

>>82002824
(You)

>>82003270
>And Quicksilver dying wasn't great, but it might be so he can come back later.
They killed off Quicksilver so they wouldn't have to bother with Fox.

I am genuinely amazed Scarlet Witch is surviving as long as she has.

>>82003066
STOP INVINCIBLE SON

>>82003234
>Should I build a few more of these second-generation bodies that gave the Avengers considerable trouble?
>Nah, I'll get make a few hundred shitty piles of tin.

>>82003377
I have no idea for sure but I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel made a deal with Fox that Fox is allowed to do anything they want with Quicksilver and Marvel is allowed to do anything they want with Scarlet Witch.

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>>82003377
>I am genuinely amazed Scarlet Witch is surviving as long as she has.

The Shark Nation will not tolerate any abuse of one of their citizens

>>82003326
Hurt feelings Whedon?

>>82003353
Who knows. Considering the currents trends in media, I'd say Whedon's narrative style could fit in well this new world of comfiness and fangless action.

The issue is whether audiences will find his killing characters so frequently too mean-spirited.

>>82003293
Hopefully, Doom would make a great followup villian for A4, and Annihilation in GotG3/A5

>>82003419
a bit chilly, isn' tit

>>82003419
Up until like a week ago I thought her last name was a coincidence.

>>82003180
>the disgusting blue filter
Is subjective, I saw it as gorgeous at times.
>jonathan kent, sociopath
Understanding the concept of the greater good and not wanting to risk thousands of lives for the sake of a handful is not sociopathic.
>dildo prison pods on krypton
Which makes for a 3 second shot in a 140 minute movie.
>"Evolution always win" - said by a genetically engineered supersoldier
Evolution allowed them to become a race capable of producing beings of their stature.

>>82003419
That is a great Kirsten Dunst in the rain in Spider-Man impression.

>>82003304
He is literally saying he could have done better and felt bad about it

>>82003353
Not a chance.
Cult appeal and two of the biggest movies ever under his belt?

He can continue to coast for the rest of his career.

>>82003355
disagree

>>82003251
No, retard.
He always said he let himself go, the "always blames others" meme is just something Whedon gaytors came up with the satiate their hateboners.

He was pretty candid about what the studio wanted and what he wanted and what they clashed about even on Avengers 1, right down to the scene.

>>82002824
haha oh my god, /co/ is fucking delusional

>>82003289
No their scene at the Barton house was one of the strongest emotional moments of the MCU.

>>82003482
Kent was advocating against the greater good, you didn't even watch the movie you claim to love.

>>82003482
>Understanding the concept of the greater good
putting the privacy and comfort of your child over the safety of a bus full of children doesn't sound like the "greater good" to me

Why am I even arguing with a retard?

...anyway
When is he going to come back and direct spiderman?

>>82003567
No, it's MAYBE a hundred people who have tied their personality to the movie for some bizzare reason.

>>82003617
Yeah, kid has no idea what he's talking about. Kent argued against the greater good.

>>82003628
Article says he's up for more Marvel shit.
I wouldn't be surprised if they throw him the Runaways script they've been sitting on since 2007

>>82003567
>one shitposter = the whole board

/co/ is fucking retarded am i right

>>82003694
Yeah, it's definately a small minority, but they post all the fucking time.
BvS has made then even more rabid.

>>82003325

Lex Luthor will probably be back

>>82003732
woah...a vocal minority constantly posts on 4chan


NO WAY??

>>82003732

is this a new ebin meme?

>>82003567
Man of Steel is one of the most weirdly divisive movies I have ever seen. The select few who love it basically worship it as God's gift to cinema, and I don't get it.

>>82003733
...ok?
Justice League will absolutely be filled with either a ton of Atlanteans or Parademons, Infinity War is harder to predict but I don't see how a cast thar large would not have goons to fight.

>>82003403
The scene was executed the worst of any in the film (drawn out, over dramatic, lacks urgency) but the concept, intent and emotion is still there.

>>82003765
Is what a meme? That MoS fans post a lot about MoS?

>>82003818
>it was bad, but they tried
Ok

>>82003818
I haven't read a whole lot of Superman but even I could tell they got Jonathan Kent completely and utterly wrong, probably the worst bastardization of any comics-to-film character ever.

>>82002683
>AGE OF ULTRON FEELING LIKE A "MISERABLE FAILURE"
Hum? raising eyebrow, let's see what he actually say
>"I am very proud of it [but] The things about it that are wrong frustrate me enormously, and I had probably more of those than I had on the other movies I made."
That certainly not means Miserable failure.
don't you hate clickbait tittle?

>>82003880
That's the only real defense Snyder has left at this point.

Can someone tell what the fuck is up with the images on 4chan. Any news of when it will be back at working properly?

>>82003889
I saw the film with my dad who grew up watching the Batman republic serials and the George Reeves Superman show and he was just sadly shaking his head when Pa Kent told Clark he should have let those kids die. I felt like an asshole.

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Even in a Whedonhate thread the Snyderfags can't stop sucking dick.

>>82002916
Ageof Ultron is a good movie, though. An I liked the Natasha/Banner stuff.

>>82002714
MCU cap is nowhere near worthy enough to lift Mjolnir. He solves literally every problem by punching it, and goes crazy when there's nothing to punch anymore. He's basically John Rambo at this point.

>>82003587
His exact words were...
>"Their is more at stake here then our lives & the lives around us..."
>>82003617
He wasn't arguing just for the sake of Clark's privacy, he was arguing for the sake of the lives that would be lost if Clark was prevented from reaching his potential by being revealed too early, be was arguing for the lives of those that could be lost in the social upheavals that would come from the revelation of immensely powerful aliens living among us.
>>82003767
It was exactly the type of Superman reboot some of us where begging for.

>>82004002
His argument throughout the movie is don't help people, if they find out about you they will hate you. That is a self-centered, selfish viewpoint. Its just saying I care more about your happiness and safety than about others. I'm not arguing he is necessarily wrong, it just is not at all a great good appeal, it is the opposite.

>>82003889
It's not wrong to artistically switch a characters perspective in a alternate way in a alternate fucking reality to say what if this went differently, how would that change things?

>>82003977
At least the Snyderfags have their forced symbolism to fall back on. This is just sad.

>>82003978

>He solves literally every problem by punching it, and goes crazy when there's nothing to punch anymore. He's basically John Rambo at this point.

You mean like Thor was before the enchantment was set and after his first movie?

Whatever, idiot.

>>82004002
>He wasn't arguing just for the sake of Clark's privacy, he was arguing for the sake of the lives that would be lost if Clark was prevented from reaching his potential by being revealed too early, be was arguing for the lives of those that could be lost in the social upheavals that would come from the revelation of immensely powerful aliens living among us.

I can't believe that a living, breathing human actually typed this shit out. In defense of an awful movie, no less.

I just can't grasp the fact that allegedly, this post was written by a real person on Earth.

>>82004058
>That is a self-centered, selfish viewpoint
Not so if that hatred turns to genocide.
Muslims and other people have done so for far smaller things then a being showing up that proves their religion to be false.

>>82004132
Fucking explain how it is inaccurate.
Remember... his exact words...
>"There is more at stake here then our lives & the lives around us..."

>>82004002

>It was exactly the type of Superman reboot some of us where begging for.

People who don't like Superman?

>>82004181
oh my lord you aren't trolling, you legitimately believe Man of Steel is a good film and you spend your free time defending it on the internet

I'm so sorry

but I'm more sorry for your parents.

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>>82003978
>He solves literally every problem by punching it, and goes crazy when there's nothing to punch anymore.

How? Every time we've seen Cap punching things he was either actively being attacked or on a mission.

Fuck Whedon's shit

>>82003547
>the "always blames others" meme is just something Whedon gaytors came up with the satiate their hateboners.
You mean how Alien Resurrection was everybody's fault but his, the scriptwriter's?

>>82004133
Kryptonians are scientifically extinct.
Also what the fuck were you trying to say?

>>82002865
This. I appreciate the Russo's methods. And goddamn was Marlon Brando difficult

>>82002916
Quickslav should have stayed

>>82002780
Because Snyder is delusionally objectist.

>>82004241
>People who don't like Superman?
No people who like a non campy believable flawed Superman who has realistic options and not mary sue solve everything powers.
>>82004252
And you spend your free time irrationally demonizing something made for a different audience then you.
I guess we are both pathetic in our own way. At least I am enjoying life instead of tearing down what others like and hold dear.

>>82002865
>Werner Herzog dealt with even more shit

I love Werner but he was crazy as well, Fitzcarraldo is fucking insane

why did he make those natives do that

>>82003141
I chuckled

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>>82004453
>tfw you finally get some new Marvel beefcake then it's taken away in the same movie

>>82004462
>irrationally demonizing
yikes, you seem a bit sensitive to the fact that your favorite movie falls apart at even the slightest critical glance

the only irrational person here is you, with your slavish devotion to a shitty film

I don't mean this in a "4chan buzzword" sense, but you really must be on the spectrum.

>>82004462

>No people who like a non campy believable flawed Superman who has realistic options and not mary sue solve everything powers.

So people who don't like Superman?
>believable

>At least I am enjoying life instead of tearing down what others like and hold dear.

A lot of people hold Superman dear though

>>82004073
How so?

AoU is a really fun and nice movie and the hate it got is really undeserved.

The only grip I would have would be with Ultron being given a too human face.

All of MUHvel's movies are formulaic garbage now. They are fucking boring, and predictable to the point the most obvious plot twist is used.

>>82002781
>Bit too many quips.
>Bit
LANGUAGE!

>>82003251
Even if he puts the blame on someone else, at least he admits the movie has shortcomings in the first place

With Snyder instead it's all "oh, but i thought it was clear?", "but this thing we did other movies did too", "only real fans would appreciate me"

>>82004462
>mary sue
Opinion discarded, come back when you can form your own thoughts without regurgitating memes.

>>82002714
The fuck are you on? Vision lifting the hammer was fucking perfect.

>>82002865
>considers retirement

...from superhero movies

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>>82002683
I wonder why

>>82004575
Not that anon but AoU was mediocre at best. Especially coming after TWS.

>>82004580
IM3

>>82003850

Actually the opposite is true.

>>82002780
Nothing in the OP indicates that he admits his shortcomings

>>82004575
What's fun and nice about it? Fun isn't a reason, there has to be something there that MAKES it fun.

>the only gripe I have

I have a lot of gripes about the movie but I'm sure you've seen most of them listed in other threads and probably even this thread.

>>82004673
His shortcomings was he was raised by two brain washing feminist dykes.

>>82002865
Yeah, Coppola took four years to make that movie, he didn't have the luxury using CGI back in them days either, Joss is a puss, Coppola's movie nearly broke the man himself, he contemplated suicide a few times if I'm not mistaken. Herzog has always been calm when dealing with shit though, even with Kinski. The Russos are great because they've worked hard to get to where they are today and they love their work.

>>82004580
All movies are formulated garbage now.

Rarely will you find a movie now that isn't based off a book or a reboot or doesn't have the same cookie cutter, feel good ending.

>>82004570
>So people who don't like Superman?
>Superman can only be silver age camp
Stop this meme.

>>82003248
I did not see cocks when I watched the movie, I'm still not exactly seeing it.

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>>82002683
Ah well, this guy still loves him.

>>82004734
Silver age camp isn't the only alternative to Man of Steel, you know. Hell, the Gods and Monsters version of Supes is a lot less dreary and depressing than MoS supes is.

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>>82002683
Good, he deserves to feel like a miserable failure because that's what he is.

Age of Ultron was a trainwreck.

>>82003248
Is John Peters still producing this shit? Because the planetkiller thing in MoS was obviously his giant spider finally getting into a movie.

>>82004507
I really did like Quickslav. I really did. I don't think he'll be back.

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>>82004462
>No people who like a non campy believable flawed Superman who has realistic options and not mary sue solve everything powers.

Get the fuck outta here, and try read some comics every now and then

>>82003977
>My opinions are wrong: the post
I just want you to know that you've lived your life correctly and the only remedy now is suicide.

>>82004622
P O E T R Y
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>>82003248
Krypton's general weird H.R. Giger design style was pretty baffling to me. Why does the race that gets their power form the sun look like they bought their clothes from the nightmare shadow dimension?

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>>82004622
>I hope Satan eats your asshole

>>82004646
This. IM3 wasn't that great but that twist was something different

>>82002865
Yes and? What you are saying is like telling a person to shut up about breaking a finger when someone else broke his arm.

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>>82002683
I'm glad he suffered. I hope he still has trouble sleeping at night. I hope he lays in bed staring at the ceiling wondering what he could have done differently.

I only wish I could see the extra wrinkles on his face. Hear the frequent sighs of regret. To be there to laugh at his quiet misery. It would make me feel so much better and fulfilled.

>>82004868
But they have no powers on krypton.

>>82004887
Except Francis Ford Coppola and Werner Herzog had to deal with way worse shit and made great movies.

Joss Whedon dealt with fucking nothing and made a SHIT one.

In your analogy, the other guy broke his arm saving a cat from a tree and he broke a finger shoving it up his own asshole.

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>>82004868
The idea of a bio-technology based Krypton was floating around since Superman Lives, although i'll guess Burton would've made it work more organically

I actually liked AoU and thought it did a great job with Ultron, SW, Pietro, and Vision. I just hate this fucker for killing off Quicksilver because he felt the need to kill someone didn't want to kill SW and wouldn't bring him back because he brought back coulson. So stupid.

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>>82002683
didn't we know all of this a year ago?

Anyway, he should feel like a failure. It was his choice to introduce Ultron. It was his choice to bring in Vision, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

He did fuck all with any of them. They were all written horribly. What did he expect would happen with a bloated cast? Why did he think any of us would care about more hypnotized bullshit or Loki's staff?

Honestly the only thing he did that was distinctly Whedon that I actually liked was the farm stuff.

>>82004908
What a shit life you must lead.

>>82004963
I liked the relationship between Ultron and the twins.
Killing QS was a mistake though.

>>82004908
so edgy

>>82004818
The people who say that MoS was for people who don't like Superman are the same people who'd whine about the above comics, as well ("muh infallible pa kent and lighthearted tone"). Ironically, the only Superman they DO like are the Reeves and All Star versions.

>>82004543
Lol It's not falling apart in anyway.
Even if your assessment of Pa Kents intent was accurate it would still not make it a bad film or even a bad characterization of him. It would simply be a perfectly valid elzwworlds of the character, which is exactly what it is.
>>82004570
Yes wanting Superman to be given the dignity of not being a waking deus ex machina equals hating the character, totally.
>>82004615
It's not a meme, some fans genuinely harshly want a Superman who can not Fail, who can not be challenged or face trials and uncertainty.
That is the definition of a Mary Sue.

>>82005015
My life is pretty awesome actually. I was just extremely disappointed by AoU. So much so that I quickly became disillusioned with the entire franchise.

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>>82005007
>It was his choice to introduce Ultron. It was his choice to bring in Vision, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.
>He did fuck all with any of them. They were all written horribly

>>82004689
>there has to be something there that MAKES it fun.
The action scenes, Vision's creation, The dynamic between the characters, the general humor, how messed up Ultron is, the final moment between Ultron and Vision.
Most of Ultron dialogues:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI9GyhX7yHM

>>82005007
But both Scarlet Witch and Vision were fine.

>>82004947
Yes and eveything they dealt with (or a lot of it) was their own choice. They must have known how hard it is to make a movie in a genuine jungle and they knew how hard their actors can be to work with, they made choices. Meanwhile Whedons burn out could all be on stuff that was forced on him.

I care less about the fact of how it broke and the fact that it's broken.

>>82004627
It was fucking great.
The hate for it make no sense.

>>82004622
How'd you spell "Whedon" wrong in the filename when it is splattered all over the image?

But that shit is hilarious. Remember when went off twitter like, month after AoU, and said it was because social media was distracting him his other projects? But h hasn't worked on anything since

>>82004707
Is 9th grade treating you ok?

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>>82002865
>you will never have a movie starring Brando directed by Werner Herzog

>>82004827
Age of Ultron is good.

It did a lot of great thing, especially the introduction of Vision.

>>82005071
What the fuck are you talking about
If we didn't like those comics why would we suggest them as a reason why MoS isn't the only alternative to "campy 2perfect4me" Superman?

>the only Superman they DO like are the Reeves and All Star versions.
Oh, i see, you're just meme'ing

>>82005071
All Star is in that very pic you idiot

>>82005138
>It was fucking great.
Don't get carried away. It was fine. Period.

>>82005095
Remove those couple of truly unecessary quips like "with the benefit on hinsight..." and Ultron would be perfect imo

>>82004963
AoU feels like a rehash of first avengers. I hated that aspect of it. Why kill someone early on, someone the viewers don't feel attached yet, when we'll have more actual deaths in future movies. I feel whedon wanted to do the coulson thing again

>>82002865
>comparing actual cinema filmmakers to capeshit directors
lel

>>82005177
Brando was fucking insane. Read about Superman and his Brown Suitcase ideas on how to play a Kryptonian.

Lucky to get the roles out of him that people did.

>>82005428
The only way Whedon can achieve an erection is if he kills off a character who has fans.

>>82005085
>>82005114
no they weren't

Vision does fuck all but be a deus ex machina and Scarlet Witch does little more than become a plot device to hint at future movies

There wasn't depth to either character

>>82005506
Considering who directed this movie, the fact that they weren't quippers is already an achievement.
It'll be up to the Russos to flesh out both Vision and Wanda.

>>82003978
>He solves literally every problem by punching it, and goes crazy when there's nothing to punch anymore.

...how is MCU Thor any different?

>>82005475
Which is stupid because quickslav didn't have fans yet as it was his first fucking movie

I really hope either Civil War or IW gross more than Avengers 1.
I refuse to believe this cancerous fuck has the most succesful capeshit ever.
I mean, thanks for introducing SW and Vision, but holy shit you fucked everything else up and ignored the past.

>>82005506
The only deus ex-ish thing Vision did was cutting off Ultron from the internet, the situation wasn't magically saved by his presence
And his character was introduced in the last act, because of how the story was framed there wasn't space for Vision's potential flaws, he was a supporting character in this. His birth scene and the final dialogue with Ultron gave us enough informations about him as a character to make his presence enjoyable

I agree that Wanda wasn't that fleshed out, that one scene they cut in Sokovia could've helped in that regard, but for most of the movie she was a villain with clear intentions, and when she became a supporting good guy her intentions wer clear too. Again, like Vision she just wasn't the focus

>>82005081
The real modern definition of a Mary Sue is Felicity Smoak.

>>82005663
Don't get your hopes up. Avengers was a game-changer. Civil might get somewhere near AoU, but X-men: Apocalypse comes out two week later.

I just want him to make a new original TV show, it much better suits his talents.

>>82005745
>X-men
i'm more worried for that movie than CW

>>82005746
I do to, but I would inevitably compare it to Firefly and probably be disappointed.

>>82005745
I don't think X-Men will affect it too much.

>>82005081
>Yes wanting Superman to be given the dignity of not being a waking deus ex machina

Because this has never been done before and never been done vetter than when Snyder attempted it.

Also nice strawman faggot

>>82005833
Same. The trailers weren't at all that promising, and Apocalypse didn't feel as threatening and imposing (but with a very strong and commanding voice) compared to the cartoon series 20 or so years ago. Unless there's some great story-telling, plot progression and character development I can see this flopping.

The biggest difference between BvS and AoU was that I didn't want to fucking die after AoU.

>>82003452
>>82003485

Calm down friends, it's just the design of her shirt

>>82005428
The only way it felt like a rehash to me was the army of faceless mooks at the end, but Ultron sending out an army of copies of himself is still classic Ultron.

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>>82006061
And the boner I have right now is just the design of my pants

>>82005970
>flop
i wouldn't go that far (most likely less than DOFP), but i agree with the rest of your post

>>82003978
And MCU Mjolnir's not magic so it evens out. :^)

>>82003978
Like breaking the spell on a group of ensorcelled Germans by backing up the one guy who refused with, y'know, his words.

>>82005442
That's precisely the point, dumbo.

>>82005456
Oh i know. Brando was difficult to everyone just to see how far he'd take it every time.

>>82002714
If Cap had lifted the Hammer, we couldn't have Civil War.

>>82005164
>someone is a 9th grader for stating new movies are basically all rehashes when it's true

Tom. C'mon.

>>82005236
>MoS is for people who don't like Superman

I'd be interested in hearing your argument for this shout of "not muh" that doesn't shit on at least one work in that pic. Although complaining that MoS betrayed some sort of "real" Superman already seems like a dead end.

>>82005306
It's not like most of you whiny idiots have actually bothered to read All Star beyond the suicide girl panel.

>>82002683
Whedon was the one who couldn't even decide on what kind of tone he wanted Age of Utron to be.
He was the one who wanted to focus so much on the farm scene so he can make it seem like Hawkeye was going to die then switch to Quicksilver to feel clever(also to have Black Widow make unfunny """feminist""" jokes about the baby being male. A concept that failed since the Hulk/Widow romance and Widow being a damsel in distress pissed feminists off).
He was the one who didn't want to bring back Quicksilver (despite setting it up) because of his arogent need to have characters die in order for the story to feel important.

Whedon is a douche and I'm glad he's out of the MCU.

Based Russo's will save the MCU.

>>82006246
>Based Russo's will save the MCU.
It's funny cos people are now bitching due to rumors or leaks or whatever that cap 'doesn't die at the end of the film.
'oh theres no stakes or consequences now'.

Honestly you cant really win with this crowd.Every single thing they don't personally like at that moment is the exact wrong thing that ruined everything.

>>82003251
Yes
He did that with Alien 4

>>82006357
were those leaks verified? because i remember another set of leaks saying he did die

>>82006484
Not sure. But theres even some reviews that mention things like how a choice in the end renders the movie 'toothless' and the like. Which leads me to believe thats the way they went.

>>82006376
WHAT? but that movie was only like 19 years ago!

Do people really expect us to believe he's matured as a man working in the film industry in so short a time.

>>82005192
The introduction to Vision was clunky and fucking awful

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>>82006522
I'm wary of the "toothless" review because the guy that wrote it also said this
But next week we'll have more reviews, supposedly, we'll see if that complaint will be common i guess

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>>82002865
>cinema has gone from Coppola and Herzog to Marvel Studios nobodies

>>82006630
>toothless
>an MCU movie
Surprise, surprise.

>>82006660
Yeah i wish we were back in the days when there weren't any untalented directors.

>>82006747
Oh, there were but they made B-movies only. They weren't hired by the biggest companies and given a 100 million bucks to make capeshit. And if they did, it was after proving they had talent.

>>82002780
he is still being paid by WB.
You are not going to go "dohohoho I suck guys" while you are making the next film.

>>82002780
Because Snyder isn't a pussy who got chased off Twitter

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>>82006814
I highly doubt WB is paying Snyder to make idiotic claims like
>uh i don't like my superheroes talking
>uh ah hmm i left the ending vague so people would wonder if Supes was alive
>I uuuh ah eh i didn't do something lame like freezing Superman in ice

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>>82002780
Problem, kid?

>>82006913
>i don't like my superheroes talking
>i left the ending vague so people would wonder if Supes was alive
>i didn't do something lame like freezing Superman in ice
And the problem is...?

>>82003977
I got the impression the while film that Widow X Banner was completely fake, as in Widow was assigned to be The Hulk's handler, the best way to control a rage monster is to make it fall in love with you, maybe it's because I remember that Widow is a spy, but I didn't believe a word of what she was saying to Banner anytime their relationship was getting unneeded screen time.

I find that ship to be a pretty awful and forced and lacking any real substance beyond the lie that Natasha has built up in order to control the most destructive being on the planet.

>>82002714
This was set up for Vision lifting the hammer. I know AoU wasn't the best movie, but pay attention man.

>>82006972
Both are manlets.
Whedon should die in a fire and Snyder should be crucified.

>>82006999
>And the problem is...?
The lack of talking lended itself to batman and superman acting like frat boy morons when theyre both supposed to be smart. The conflict between them actually required they be idiots who just yelled threats at each other.

The vague ending wasn't vague, its obvious superman is alive and the death was meaningless beyond an incredibly forced attempt at giving Batman a character arc.

Also he did something just as lame as being frozen in ice. Arguably lamer.

>>82002780
Whedon is self-reflective. Self-reflecotve practice is a requirement in many professions and it shows he is a professional man. He may have made mistakes in the last movie, but this displays a willingness to learn, move on and do better in the future.

>>82007125
Yes, unlike Hack Snide R.

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>>82002683
This smells too much like backpeddling.

Movie did not get the response he wanted so he claims that it was always bad and terrible hoping to win back some points.

Nice hindsight....one year later

>>82007107
>acting like frat boy morons when theyre both supposed to be smart
Welcome to capeshit.
>as lame as being frozen in ice
You love popsicles, don't you?

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>>82007125
>Whedon
>may have made mistakes in the last movie, but this displays a willingness to learn, move on and do better in the future.

>>82007641

>Welcome to capeshit.

You Snyderfags need to get your story straight. You can't simultaneously claim that his version of Superman is better because it's modern and realistic and more thought out and topical than any other version, and the classic superman is just too silly to work on the big screen, and then in the next breath write off characters acting stupid with "but it's a genre staple, y u mad"

>>82005177
What are all these thespians stroking themselves over here?

>>82007915
>y u mad
Good question. If you don't even like DC, why do you pretend to care?

>>82007263
>Movie did not get the response he wanted so he claims that it was always bad and terrible hoping to win back some points.
The fuck are you on?

He literally say
>
>"I am very proud of it [but] The things about it that are wrong frustrate me enormously, and I had probably more of those than I had on the other movies I made."
>I am very proud of it

He never claimed it was always bad.

Beside, it's a good movie anyway.

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>>82008153
>it's a good movie anyway

>>82008117

> If you don't even like DC

Who said I don't? I just don't like Snyder's shitty movies

>>82003482
Jonathan was against Supes from using his powers. He wanted Supes to just be on the farm away from doing anything useful. He then stops his INVINCIBLE SON to save a dog, when Clark could've saved the dog, saved everyone, and still retain his anominity.

>>82008347
He's trying to bait you, anon, he must be the same shitposter that was saying "i bet you guys only like All Star but you never actually read All Star"

>>82008347
Yeah, all casuals say so.

>>82008370
>another Kansas hick who is angry at Hollywood jews because they think Kansas hicks are inbred retards

>>82005095
>most ultron dialogues
But those were fucking awful.

>>82006246
>focus so much on the farm scene so he can make it seem like Hawkeye was going to die then switch to Quicksilver to feel clever
I really hate this

>>82007915
I like it when they claim BO records don't matter

>>82007074
Vision lifting Mjolnir made no sense. Unless infinity gem trumps Odin.

>>82002873
isn't that just a beta

>>82008968
>Unless infinity gem trumps Odin.
I believe it'd depend on the gem.

>>82008911
They don't. Unless you mean it's hypocritical to claim they don't while spoutning all the "b-but BvS was the highest grossing Wednesday in April during a leap year!!" bullshit.

>>82008968
How do you know it trumped Odin? Elevators don't trump Odin.

>>82008817
>>82006246
Come on, are we really saying that was the only point of the farmhouse? It was nice to see Hawkeye enstablished as the everyman of the team, the scenes with the family and the speech to Wanda later effectively made every "hurr why is Hawkeye even there" complaint look more stupid than normal

Plus Quicksilver's death wasn't even all that sudden, the movie enstablished twice that he couldn't outrun bullets

>>82008968
Why? The moment he figured out his birth his only purpose was benevolent, to stop Ultron, nothing unworthy about that. Plus they tried to leave it vague with those "can machines lift the hammer?" jokes

>>82002780
None of them admitted anything but both knows they fucked up big time.

>>82005506

It may be the performance of the actor whose name escapes me right now, but even though Vision didn't have much to do, you could still SEE what his characters about very clearly.

I got chills whenever he was on screen because he didn't just look like something alien and new to the world, he felt like it, too.

Other than that, I wasn't too much of a fan of AoU.

>>82004963
This. More Ultron, Maximoff twins and Vision over whatever the fuck Whedon was trying to do with the likes of Hulk, Widow and Hawkeye would have saved the film from being such an incoherent mess.

>>82006357
I'm glad cap doesn't die. It means they can save the dramatic death for a REAL threat: Thanos.

>>82009444
Except Ultron was awful and Hawkeye was actually bretty good

>>82005007
>It was his choice to introduce Ultron. It was his choice to bring in Vision, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.
But all of those characters were actually good, portrayed well by their respective actors, etc.

Problem was, and you have this one right
>He did fuck all with any of them.
Which felt so fucking stupid. It's like, he wanted all these new characters, but decided that he still needed to give more focus on existing characters that practically had nothing to do with them, all of which amounted to a lot of bullshit.

>muh beauty and the beast
>muh Hawkeye is da glue

>>82006660
Cinema is dead, this is the age of high budget TV series...even fucking Russos, urg.

>>82009530
In his own movie, I'd believe you, but the guy had little else going for him than being huge ass red herring for Quicksilver and it just makes his contributions feel kinda tacked on in the end.

>>82009610
> but the guy had little else going for him than being huge ass red herring for Quicksilver

Plotwise he didn't have much but character wise he was pretty much the best in the movie. Maybe that says more about how bad the movie was than how good he was though

>>82009536

>muh Hawkeye is da glue

That was said ironically

>>82005071
I will admit that I would LOVE an All Star Superman movie.
I'd cream my pants for that.

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>>82009707
>that scene where he tries to grab Thor's hammer in mid-air

>>82009560
>/co/ talking about cinema
Hilarious.

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>>82003436
>Doom
>A Villain
Unless he'll be a villain protagonist, and we will have Books of Doom in movie format, with Fantastic Four gaining their power more of a throwaway note than main point of the movie.

>>82003568
>like any woman who can't into pregnancy, I am monster, like unto Hulk.

>>82002683
Honestly, I didn't hate it. Age of Ultron wasn't as good as the first one and definitely wasn't as good as the Winter Soldier, and I don't think Joss would consider himself a miserable failure, OP, if the movie did well at the box office and was mostly positively received. You're just wanting attention, OP.

>>82009298
The farmhouse was boring and so was Hawkeye's lame family. I wish Ultron attacked and killed the family.

>>82010674
But anon, that would've actually been interesting! We can't have interesting things happen!

>>82009298
Yeah i feel people really don't get the purpose of the farmhouse stuff.

It was entirely about character. Whether advancing the shit between steve and tony, hulk and natasha (take or leave that how you will), or just fleshing out hawkeye as an actual character. It actually presents them as people and it does serve to generate a sense of peril for Clints well being later on.

I know god forbid the director not just kill the obvious guy he seemed like he was gonna kill. I hate it when a movie does a thing i wasnt expecting it to do.

>>82009820
>All Star Superman movie
You already did

>>82010906
Not that anon, the animated movie is great for a quick watch every now and then, but unfortunately it had to cut off such memorable moments like Jonathan's death or the entirety of Bizarro world

Going back and watching the first Avengers movie - everything really feels small. The final battle aside. All the set pieces just feel like a TV show.

>>82011034
I think thats due to most of the avengers uniting shit all being on the fucking helicarrier. I mean I enjoy the fucking movie but a huge huge chunk of it is basically dudes arguing in a flying submarine.

>>82003568

>No their scene at the Barton house was one of the strongest emotional moments of the MCU.


(You)

>>82010998
Or the suicide girl

>>82010757
>>82010674

Age of ultron was shit but come on now

>what is this, characters TALKING? Give me more pew pew and smash smash

>>82002683
I'll never understand what's people's problem with this movie. It's just "MUH QUIPS" and Black Widow being fucked by Banner. Ultron wasn't the greatest villain and could have been fleshed out but he wasn't bad.

>>82011225
>what is this, characters TALKING? Give me more pew pew and smash smash
Uh, no
I just want something interesting to happen, they could sit back and talk for a while as long as they talk of something interesting
But no, it's just like the world is not about to end

>>82011287
Oh Ultron sucked.

The fucking human face and the quips and just fuck off with that.

>>82002683
He should. Farm and Thor pool were all his fucking stupid idea. Feige literally told him to cut it.

>>82011296
Well then, the problem is that the farmhouse was done poorly, not that there shouldn't be a farmhouse.

>>82002780
Joss is a beta.
Snyder is not.

He also knows he did right. And knows a lot of people appreciate what he did. Daily reminder that we got confirmation he is well aware of the capekino meme and he is proud of it.

>>82011322
So muh quips then?

>>82004622

What this actually illustrates is fedora-tier posturing doesn't get you anywhere if the result you push out still reflects a condescending interpretation of characters.

Maybe the studio fucked him on that, but them's the breaks.

>>82008968
>Vision lifting Mjolnir made no sense.

What if he got as many powers from it as the hatrack in Thor 2 did?

>>82011482
>we got confirmation he is well aware of the capekino meme

SOURCE ON THAT

>>82011322
>The fucking human face
Fucking let this meme die already, it's not even proper criticism and just reeks /co/mic autism. And this is coming from someone who actually loves the fuck out of comic Ultron.

>>82011356
No, Thor's Magic Jacuzzi Adventure was something Whedon tried to cut completely.

>>82011375
Yeah, exactly
The only reason it was there was to give relief, but there was nothing the audience needed relief from because the movies just isn't interesting

>>82009011
No, absolutely not.

A sucky race car isn't the same as a minivan. It's just a sucky race car.

>>82003217
>3 Avengers will have lifted Thor's hammer by then end of Infinity War
but why

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>>82003467
>reminded of this
>check her wikipedia page for confirmation
>Elizabeth Olsen is the younger sister of
>younger sister
>younger
when did I become so fucking old /co/?

>>82004098
>>82004292
>>82005547

Cap said so himself at the end of AoU that the guy who wanted to settle down and live a peaceful life never really came out of the ice. Somebody else did, somebody that couldn't leave the life that the Avengers/SHIELD had given him.

And when he argued with Tony during the wood-chopping scene he made a point that preemptive attempts to stop war always end up with innocent people dead. But this also means he accepts war as a necessity.

Meanwhile, Thor, despite his violent methods, is still committed to a simplistic, pure vision of eternal peace in the Nine Realms. That's his goal. It's all or nothing.

tl;dr, Mjolnir is attracted to naive SJWs.

>Thor is Scandinavian
Coincidence? I think not.

>>82002683
Fuck that faggot Joss, Firefly was his only decent work he's ever done.

>>82003419
Fuck, I want her to bite on my dick.

>>82002683
That tends to happen when you fail

>>82011296
They knew nothing about Ultron's plan, just that it required vibranium, the world wasn't about to end yet

>>82011571
Shitposter on /tv/ pretending to be a WB producer
He said they pass "capekino" posts around the office and that they feel proud about them

>>82012176

>He said they pass "capekino" posts around the office and that they feel proud about them
/tv/ will believe anything for the sake of memes.

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>>82011603
>Most of the team just went through traumatizing visions
>Hulk almost leveled a city
>Ultron and the twins got away

>There was no need for relief!

Whedon was trying to jam his themes into the plot, I think.

The twins' arc is a good idea in theory. It fits with the theme of parents and children. Tony Stark's past life created the twins which leads to the creation of Ultron.

But with so little screen time, what we actually see on the screen makes no sense. "We'll team up with a murderbot to destroy the Avengers for something they didn't do" just makes them seem like total idiots, and there wasn't time to deal with the fallout of what they did. (Wanda setting the Hulk loose on the city was dealt with in one line where Banner was mad at her, and then forgotten.)

Ambition is good, but maybe not so good in a movie where there's no time to service your ambitious ideas.

Maybe because the Russos are TV pilot directors and therefore used to subordinating their own personality, they seem to deal with the demands of this kind of movie (like forcing Civil War to be a backdoor pilot for the Black Panther and Spider-Man movies) more deftly.

>Edgar Wright quit,
>Joss Whedon quit,

How long before James Gunn gets tired of being paid Disney money?

>>82012845
I don't know, he's kind of got his own little corner of the MCU. They'll probably give him more notes leading up to Infinity War, but on the other hand Feige banned Marvel Publishing from giving notes, so it's probably a wash.

>>82012845
I give him til after GotG3. Usually after the sequel, the studios go crazy for the third movie and piss off directors. I could see Gunn leaving after GotG3

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>>82002683
still haven't seen this gay movie.

is it gay?

I heard it was gay.

>>82012845
Since he's the only (relatively) big name director marvel has left what other movies world you want him to do?

>beta ray bill
>Bob from hydra
>???

>>82003248
Who says that that wasn't their reaction?

The pods represented the ultimate evil of the Patriarchy, in the form of a bunch of rocket-cocks hurtling into space to inseminate mother Earth with their evil.

Vision was a good character. Wanda at least has potential to be a good character if they drop the mind control bullshit.

But they'll be in Civil War so there's really no reason to watch AoU.

>>82007009
I'd prefer this over any other type of relationship between them

>>82013230
>a bunch of rocket-cocks hurtling into space to inseminate mother Earth with their evil.

heh

>>82011322
That's not even what was wrong with Ultron, if you're gonna talk shit about something at least know what you're talking about.

>>82007009
Except Banner feared this and Cap reassured him it was legit. You think Cap would lie about that?

Also Widow was clearly upset that he left in her final talk with Fury.

>>Joss Whedon has said that he was "beaten down" by the process of making Marvel's Avengers: Age of Ultron.


It shows on the final product

I found it tedious that so much of the climax was about evacuating people. I understand that's a reaction to MAN OF STEEL but there's a difference between making a good-faith effort to save people and the idea that Quicksilver needs to sacrifice his life for one stupid kid.

So the climax is built around one idea that's not very interesting (smashing robots) and another that's tedious (rescuing people). Maybe there's no way to fix that.

>>82015694
>the idea that Quicksilver needs to sacrifice his life for one stupid kid.

You do know what a hero is, right?

>>82015771
But why were he and his sister willing to tolerate huge collateral damage as part of their vendetta against the Avengers? I know, I'm overthinking it: he was a well-meaning bad guy and then he becomes a good guy, but it just didn't make sense to me.

>>82015694
Nah, this was my takeaway too. Man of Steel was shit but we don't need to see Cap telling us he's ready to let the Avengers die if they don't get every civilian away.

Felt too much like an "our heroes care, unlike a certain DC character, amirite" moment.

>>82013173

I just watched it for the first time a few nights ago. I enjoyed it a lot, but I don't read comics.

>>82013173
It's not as bad as /co/ would have you believe, but it's not the greatest thing ever either.

>>82016339
I think Whedon bounced ideas around but did not flesh them out fully in some cases. The Hulk battle was originally meant to be the smaller Grey Hulk, but the studio wanted something bigger.

Pietro and Wanda were/are good people. There were scenes that got cut where you see them rebuilding parts of Sokovia and helping people, I think.

Wanda is torn between her desire to do good and her anger from deep grief and a well-founded feeling the world is against her. Her goodness is tested harshly by the world around her and she struggles because she lacks confidence and self-belief.

Its why Cap and Hawkeye are important. The former encourages self-belief, while the latter brings acceptance and support.

Age of Ultron was _OK

>>82005124
Josh Whedon knew what he had to do and he failed to deliver. Beyond choices, the way good directors and bad directors deal with the stress is evident. And Josh wasn't able to make a good movie, unlike the russo brothers or even people like Gunn.

>>82016339
There was likely a scene after the Hulk battle and during the farm where Wanda's realization of the fact she had gone too far sunk in.

The film is hugely disjointed in that middle act alot of stuff gets skipped over.

>>82020220
I wish Joss would give us the 3hr cut which is likely better.

>>82013278
Well, Civil War features no use of mind control by Wanda, and if she meets Strange the tk will likely be replaced as well.

batman vs superman was worse than alien ressurection so unfortunately if push comes to shove I'd still go with Whedon.

The alien ressurection bar of film writing should never get crossed. somebody should know what they're doing

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At least Ultron was hot.

>>82020820

But was BvS worse than AvP>

>>82021018
according to rotten tomatoes it misses the mark by only 8 points.

>>82013173
Honestly, Age of Ultron is not that bad.
But tbqh senpai I've still got Batman vs. Superman rising in my gorge, so I'm basically saying that a trash bag is not as bad as a tire fire.

>>82007263
He was already complaining about the movie process and himself before AoU even came out. It's clear he fucked himself.

>>82007671
Cinematography improved from the first Avengers to AoU.

>>82004701
One From The Heart was the result of Apocalypse Now and it fucking ruined him.

>>82022517
The first Avengers was at the height of the 3D conversion craze. It had too many 3D shots and was the only one of this entire series not shot in wisescreen 'Scope (which is harder for 3D).

Since then the 3D craze has abated and Whedon at least felt free to try and make the second movie look less TV-ish (ironically, TV directors like Whedon and the Russos are very conscious of not wanting movies to look like TV)

I hate it when OPs don't include reference links, so here is one that covers a lot the material:

http://www.fastcocreate.com/3059075/tribeca-film-festival/how-joss-whedon-is-paving-a-path-toward-redemption

>>82015694
It's either this or "don't worry, that city block's evacuated".

>>82012845
Marvel has yet to keep a director for more than two movies. The only exception is the Russos, and that's only planned. So far they've only done two, like Whedon and Favreau

>>82004701
I always assumed that Werner Herzog is like Hannibal Lecter.

>>82020630
He went on record saying he hates Director's Cuts and will never do one.