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Homestuck is finished?

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Well I guess it was a kind of ending.
If you could call it that.

Also We Love Fine's BIG TOP TIER ANNOUNCEMENT is out
www.welovefine.com
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lets all be confused/depressed at the ending we got.

Are you ready for another year long pause until the epilogue?

Newspost promised some updates in the coming months on Hiveswap (lol) and probably more merch that literally will not sell for the several years.
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Moment of silence for those who never made it.
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Why people are so mad?
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It all makes sense
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>>81789468
The news post about the epilogue was just so bad. If he worded it better and didn't make it an edit it would have gone over better
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>>81789542
Because the ending was bad.
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>>81789542
Because we don't have answers to questions like
>>81789528
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>>81789542
no closure
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At least the game will be good right guys?
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holy shit. I clicked on one of those reaction videos.
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>>81789537
They were the lucky ones
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>>81789619
the game is more or less the reason for this shit show
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>>81789619
Take a look at the comments page on the Kickstarter. Nobody wants the game anymore, not even people who paid to receive a copy.
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Reminder that the homophobes won
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>>81789542
I can see it. Follow a comic for 7 years (5 in my case), a comic characterized by excessive wordiness, interaction, and dialogue, and have an ending with no dialogue and next to no interaction. I'm not mad though. I'm just really sad. I'm banking on the epilogue providing a lot of dialogue to "make up" for this so to speak. Not that this needs to be made up for, its a good conclusion to act1-4 and some of 5. I just hope act5-6 gets a conclusion.
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>>81789629
You should watch BKEW one.
Truly heartbreaking.
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I love how Hussie spent YEARS on that ending and it still felt rushed.
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>>81789690
Russian to the End, until the end, my friend.
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>>81789402
>www.welovefine.com
Oh my god, there's a Shield Knight plush!

That's the best thing I've seen all day!
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>>81789650
Good. Davekat is shit and Jade deserves her knight consort
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>>81789685
>the next page is going to start to explain more, i assume?
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>>81789661
>its a good conclusion to act1-4 and some of 5
Hussie used to say the ending had never changed since 2009. I think that's still true, and that's a huge part of why it was so empty and didn't answer anything.

It was just supposed to be the epic birth of a universe frog and the 4 kids living happily in Can Town in their new world. It wasn't conceived to support trolls and more kids. He refused to let it grow to suit the massive thing Homestuck became.

So we got a frog being born and a small sliver of the cast getting a happy ending, and he just left everything else behind completely.
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>>81789650
>>81789733
If anyone has any angry/crying reaction caps, I'd like to see them.
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>>81789723
Oh, that's cute.
You know, she reminds me of PM.
...At least she and WV got a good ending.
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>>81789790
None that haven't been posted already
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You can go home now.
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>there's an epilogue
NOW'S YOUR CHANCE
CRASH THIS FUCKING ENDING
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>>81789843
but I am home
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Well, I tell you what. Hussie managed to inspire me to properly get down to my writing, if only to show the useless fucking hack how it is done.

All great artists use emotion in their work, well mine will be unyielding rage and endless frustration. I'm going to be huge, Terry Pratchett huge. I'm going to amass a fanbase around the world, and maybe, just maybe, hook Hussie himself on my potent imaginarium. Perhaps he might see a glimmer of his own spark as his fingers trace the paper edges of the physical manifestation of the rage he caused. I'll wait until he's burned out, a wreck, and turn up one day with the offer of financing Homestuck, the theatrical production, using cutting edge AR technology, broadcasting it on the internet or whatever the fuck we have by then. I'll allow him to direct at first, but as he struggles to control a dynamic group of performers, I'll step in, loyal and earnest, restricting the actors' narcissism and inanity, disciplining the troops that I have marshalled to put forth my grand plan. And slowly, he'll cede authority over the revival of his great work to me.

And finally, as the curtain draws back, the play will begin. It will last days, with the intermission providing a useful opportunity to sleep for my actors. And they will put forward the most incredible piece of performance art ever known.

And as Collide comes to a close, the Condense lies slain, the curtain will close, and after a few minutes reopen. The actors will silently strafe cross the stage. They will wear Sandwich boards, grubby and low-tech. On each board will be a letter.

H U S S I E
I S
A
F U C K I N G
H A C K
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>>81789629
>her smile and optimism: gone
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>>81789650
And John "Slay the Gay" Egbert didn't even have to do anything!
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>>81789880
I feel you anon.
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>>81789843
NO I CAN'T GO HOME BECAUSE THEY DECIDED TO BE THE GAME'S BITCHES AND EVERYBODY DIED
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>>81789835
>...At least she and WV got a good ending.
When she dropped that ring into the volcano, PM finally made the ultimate delivery.
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The epilogue will fix everything.

Never be game over.
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>>81789650
but rosemary was the only canon couple.
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>WLF selling smuppets
>tfw already own a smuppet thanks to gristmas
Shit that reminds me I never thanked Stabs for her present, I think
Shit
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>>81789880
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>>81789907
I told you, Jade makes Homestuck straight, not John
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It's 4:13PM.
>Still no update.
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>JadeKat and DaveJane not canon
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https://archiveofourown.org/works/2427119/chapters/5371283

This is the best thing to come out of Homestuck.
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>>81789965
What is davekat and scourge sisters
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LOOK AT HOW CUTE!!!
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>>81789685
>next page is going to explain more I assume

i actually laughed up irl
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>watch update expecting to discuss it for weeks afterwards
>there is literally nothing to discuss
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Lessons Homestuck has told us:

>All versions of people are interchangeable, it's OK to replace people you care about by similar substitutes [insert some bullshit about the Greater Self here]
>Other versions of you may succeed even though they're worse people than you.
>Magic will solve your problems for you. Go on, Mario. Grab that star. You know you want to.
>There is no justice. Assholes will get exactly what they want and never face any form of retribution.
>It's ok if you want to remain useless and flawed! As long as your friends are here to do everything for you!
>Hussie is a hack.

Press F for fucking nothing.
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>>81790077
While looking at this I just thought
"He couldn't even draw the end to his own fucking comic"
No matter how cute... it was too jarring. I dunno. I didn't like it. Sorry.
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>>81790077
Who is that girl in the back? What's her name?
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>>81790075
Cucked by Jade and neither of the sisters showed up
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>>81790077
>jade as 3 buck teeth

NNO ONONONNONOBNONONONONONO
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>>81790077
>tfw you are the only one who thought this artstyle looked tacky as hell
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>>81789880

You're making a good first start.
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>>81790043
Porn and music were good too
Also MC arc
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>>81790043
I beg to differ
http://archiveofourown.org/works/233823/chapters/357902
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>>81790136
It's her tongue sticking out a little. :p
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>>81790075
not canon and dead
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>>81790134
>Cucked by Jade
But Jade didn't hook up with anyone either.

>neither of the sisters showed up
I think anon meant the dead ones from Terezi: Remember.
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>>81790087
Don't worry anon, I'm sure our bitterness will last us hundreds of threads.

>>81789961
See >>81785063

The epilogue will only undo a marginal amount of damage. Act 7 was bad because of the lack of closure, but it was also bad for the complete bullshit way everything ended. It's the "how", not just the "and then what".
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I NEED PICTURES
PICTURES OF HUSSIE
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>>81790155
Hussie's characters may have served no narrative function whatsoever

But they're hot
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>>81789733
But does he put a ring on it
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>>81790177
it's not and you know it.
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>>81790077
>that anatomy
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I just wanted more character interaction.
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>>81790137
The 3d shit looked like garbage, most of everything else looked fine though.
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That was the worst end I've ever seen. Who knows when the epilogue is, since Hussie's like "yeah well I'll do it whenever".
We didn't even get to see what happened to the alpha kids and Gamzee after the masterpiece happened and the kids got sucked away.
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>>81790043
No this is

https://archiveofourown.org/works/295600
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>Bizarre artstyle that didn't lend itself to knowing what the fuck was going on
>Vague, wishy-washy ending that left us in the dark
>Not even a big fight against LE


Surely hussie's gonna come back with a big battle in true HS style.

right?
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>>81790226
Yeah you're right, her tongue's way bigger
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>Let's...read the newspost...that's...white curtains...
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>>81790247
>We didn't even get to see what happened to the alpha kids and Gamzee
Gamzee is dead.

He's a cultist who became his own god. That's as much of a happy ending as he's ever going to get.
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>>81789629
Watch this dumb bitch be incapable of saying anything bad about Hussie. Hussie is a literal god figure to her and she just can't fathom how he could produce something this terrible. Her internal conflict is just so sad. https://youtu.be/xYAkfYIBASE?t=10m42s
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I FIGURED IT OUT

VRISKA RETCONNED THE HAPPY ENDING WE SAW

WHEN THEY STEP THROUGH THE DOOR THEY FACE ENGLISH

THIS IS WHERE THE EPILOGUE WILL BE
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>>81790222
There's no marriage anymore
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>>81790289
how old is this kid?
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>john taller than roxy
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>>81790353
I don't know. The moment of realization begins at 10:42.
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I hated the ending at first.

But I'm fine with it now. I wouldn't say it was good (HS has been past it's prime for more than 4 years now), but I don't really want any more Homestuck. I'm done with it.

I have closure on this part of life. The MSPAF are gone, and my embarrassing teenage posts purged.

Maybe I'll reread it again one day, for nostalgia. I plan not to listen to the OST again for a long time, so it can bring back memories.
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>>81790381
did you draw that
make her nude
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LOL
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Epilogue when?
Next week like PS?
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>>81790261
>"This was originally written for the kinkmeme."
Dear lord, THAT brings back some memories
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>>81790289
As someone who views Hussie as a God Figure, it's easy to rationalize. This is (as stated by Hussie himself) the ending he envisioned back when he started, so it's not the ending of Homestuck as it became, but rather as it was. That's fine. I'm sad it wasn't the conclusion for what Homestuck became, though.
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>>81790289
She looks like Tina from Bob's Burgers.
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>>81790394
Right? As it drew super close to the end, I knew it was gonna be a dud. I thought maybe, during that last shining bit of hope at the end, we'd get some kind of teaser ,but as it faded, so did the hope.
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>>81790289
>although I only got into Homestuck in july of 2015,
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>>81790289
> she just can't fathom how he could produce something this terrible.
To be fair who even can at this point?
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>>81790418
i didn't draw it
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>>81790429
When Hussie gets bored enough to make it.
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>>81790429
>It'll take a while to produce though, whatever specific form it ends up taking
Try next year.
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>>81790261
>John raping a mindbroken Dave
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>>81790469
fuck that makes it even worse, she legit liked it for what it was rather than riding on fandom shit

gj shamdrew
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Current list of things that the ending neglected.
I know there is a LOT more so keep the list growing.

>Don't know if LE is defeated
>Don't know if they actually got their good ending in the new universe
>Don't know where Terezi is in the new universe
>Don't know if Vriska survived and made it into the new universe
>Don't know why they would teleport into the masterpiece
>Don't know why the remaining trolls didn't come with.
>Don't know if those are even our kids who did so
>Don't know what happened to all the sprites
>Don't know where the final frog teleported from
>Don't know when or how they shrink down the weapons to send with Liv Tyler
>Don't know how the trickster arc could have gone down since Erisol wasn't there post retcon
>Don't know how or when Vriska did her time travel recon
>How Rose’s mom killed denizen in Jack: ascend
>Rose’s mother’s gilt about Roxy killing Jasper
>Jake being the one to take down LE
>Why were the horses ironic?
>Why Gamzee couldn’t die
>How Gamzee got to the future to help Calliborn
>How the world they built ended
>A mountain of unresolved shipping
>Why Meulin and Gamzee’s ancestor had the same eyes as LE and were working for him/what happened to them
>all that stuff about the dark/elder gods that lived in the void
>how the dark/elder gods were connected to the squiddles in Earth
>the full history of adult Jake and how he was in the game (might have been answered but forgot)


>WHERE DID THE GAME COME FROM!?
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>>81790304
Thats the ticket.
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>>81790289
okay this reaction is truly painful
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>This many people falling for the meme

The happy ending is either gonna get ripped away at the last second or they're gonna show the Lord English fight, or both. Let's just hope it's not in that style again.
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>>81790418
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I now understand how a single Youtube video transformed Gamzee from who he was into who he became.
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Only potential upside: how on suicide watch is BKEW from being this completely blown out?
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>>81790576
>at the last second
This was the last second. there are no more seconds.
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>>81789542
BECAUSE WE WANTED TO SEE THE MAIN FUCKING VILLAIN, LORD MUSCLEGUY, TO BE DEFEATED ON SCREEN. AT LEAST I KNOW THAT I REALLY FUCKING WANTED TO SEE IT AFTER WAITING FOR IT FOR SO FUCKING LONG. ONE OF THE BIGGEST DRIVING POINTS OF THIS SHITTY COMIC WAS THINKING "I WONDER HOW ARE THEY POSSIBLY GOING TO DEFEAT THE INVINCIBLE DEMON? I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT IN DETAIL IN THE FINAL FLASH!". FUCK YOU HUSSIE, YOU FUCKASS.
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>>81790600
yes
good
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>>81790600
i'm hard
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>>81790614
Who is BKEW?
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>>81790612
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>>81790289
>is that it
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>>81789874
Not this one, the real one. The one where the story is not over, the one where we are still Homestuck.
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>>81790537
>WHERE DID THE GAME COME FROM!?
Oh come on, we've known that forever. The game is a self-replicating mechanism to ensure the deaths and births of universes. Any universe created by an SBURB-type game will have the game hard-coded into the universe to appear. It's an infinite loop, the game has no beginning or end.
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>>81790576
>Hussie used a nine minute outsourced animation for a fake out
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>>81790612
it was blasphemy
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>>81790614
It's harder to hate a person after seeing them in real time on a video instead of just knowing they vaguely exist behind walls of fucking stupid text
Maybe I just feel a kinship with him now because this ending ruined us all
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>>81790614
Just watch his reaction video.
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I've been reading a bunch of threads from the past week or so
It's pretty hilarious how optimistic everyone was
I found no less than 5 posts that said something to the effect of "There's no way the ending could make the fanbase turn on Hussie now"
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>>81790724
I would love a psyche

...
double psyche thats the ending fuckmunch

and a sbahj curtain close
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Guys. We've seen this before.
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>>81790537
Don't forget the MATRIORB
Also the fates of Aradia and Sollux.
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>>81790733
what did he even do wrong, in the end? he just wanted this comic to be more interesting than it was.

he should just pour this creative energy into his own projects instead of elaborate fanfiction.
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I wonder how many people have committed suicide because of that ending
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>>81790733
Same here. He was shaking before opening the update, just like me. He said "God I love Homestuck". Hey, me too.
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[S]: Make Him Pay
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>>81789542
>Spades slick pernamently dead
>Only jack who did nothing wrong
>Jack Noir gets happy ending
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>>81790289
>if I keep recording I'm going to make a fool of myself
No, newfag, no you won't.
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>>81790673
>Vriska's actually pretty hot
Headcannon confirmed,
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>>81789880
shit me too. Well its more like the residual bitterness from the retcon hit me when I had a nice idea

It's mostly diagrams and notes at the moment but I'm having more fun concepting this than I did with homestuck's ending
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>>81789537
F
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>>81790773
The Matriorb is what birthed the fantrolls that Caliborn's daddy killed
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>>81790781
He was a bit of a sperg, but I don't think he did anything wrong.
More annoying is his following who take his theories as the truth.
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>>81790673
who is this slut
what happened to my vriska
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>>81790781
Yeah! How he would invest more mind into comics ending than Andrew Hussie himself.
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>>81790842
>Caliborn's dad
What's up with that anyway.

Is Calliope her own mom? Is she the protector of the universe?
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>>81790724
It's not beyond him. He pulls some goddamn ridiculous shit.
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Does anyone have any webms or gifs of Caliborn's scenes? He's never looked cooler.
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>>81790842
We don't know that. Cherubs are interstellar beings, and it is known Alternia colonized other universes. It could've been an Alternian colony, for all we know.
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>>81790791
> it... it can't be just white curtain on next page
at this moment even I can feel sorry for him
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>>81790718
I was talking more about how they got it it in the mail and how it seems a lot of people could have also got it.

Also....
>The game is a self-replicating mechanism to ensure the deaths and births of universes
>something made trolls
>trolls made humans
>humans made cherubs
>cherubs game was made void and couldn't make a new universes
>when LE goes back in time is the last moment in time and everything was dead
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>>81790576
you're in deep denial my friend
even that girl on the video quickly realised it was shitty
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>>81790087
Bullshit, I read through ~2000 posts of pure rage in the first thread made about this shit. People are going to be talking about how mad they are for months.
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>>81790673
>Vriska isn't fat
HUSSIE YOU HACK
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>>81790724
Andrew Hussie is a valid troll name.
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>>81789537
Jesus.

Think how many other fans must have died in those seven years.
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>>81789542
7 years of shitposting and hussie outshitposted all of us
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>>81790673
The best thing to come out of this flash
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>>81790673
>TFW you knew friska is hot since her first apperance
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>>81790673
Also Calliope has the HIPS
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>>81790088
Anyone figure out who Hussie's new dad is?

As for the rest, Caliborn's story had the best lessons. He accepted his mistakes and always moved forward the best he could, always strived to better himself no matter how difficult, and never gave up. He didn't undo things, redo them, or anything. Caliborn lived a life doing what he loved, and he did so without regret.

He wasn't perfect. He wasn't the strongest, brightest, or most talented fellow, but he tried his best and made things work.

There's only one character I came out of this story admiring, and it's that skullfucker right there.
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>>81790673
>vriska isnt flat as a board
cool fanfiction
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>>81790985
Only the dead can escape the ending of homestuck.
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>>81790807
>MS.Paint cucked spades slick
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>>81790289
>she actually starts crying of disappointment
KEEEEEEEEk
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>>81790673
am i the only one that thinks her face looks weird as fuck? its at some weird disconnect with her body

nice boob physics though
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>>81790911
>something made trolls
Trolls have 48 star-signs
Humans have 12, the same as the amount of Beta Trolls.
Hussie hinted at a 48-player "squiddle" session
Horrorterrors/Old Gods are represented as squiddles
So, the horrorterrors were former Sburb-players?
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>>81790673
4 YEARS HAND DRAWN
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>>81791018
If only her god tier didn't come with pants. They really make her ensemble look too modernized. I mean, I do just want to ogle her legs, but my point's valid too.
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>>81791048
I did the same thing.
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>>81791054
Hussie can't draw faces
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>>81790807
>>81791046
Ultimate Selves.

It doesn't matter which is innocent or which is guilty, since they're all interchangeable.
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>>81790673
>Friska being 10/10 confirmed
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Can you give me a recaps of the events in Hussie's life leading up to this moment?
I have not been keeping up since 2013
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Anyone else feel like Hussie just handed off Homestuck to other people after the gigapause? It honestly feels like he hasn't been a real presence in his comic for awhile.
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>>81790772
exactly. WE KNOW WHAT'S UP. 'Homestuck the anime.' is LITERALLY the essence of Caliborns Masterpiece. 'Act 7' is literally Caliborns Masterpiece. He's already shown us how it ends. We know the rest of the plot, after Collide. Everyone is just in denial. Because it's a BAD END.
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>>81791065
> Horrorterrors
So... What happened to them?
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>>81790990
>>81791127
I'm not surprised, I've always assumed Vriska was one of those hot bitches that you're willing to ignore how bitchy she is for a bit because she's a 10/8
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>>81791129
vapid cunt
death of the father
kickstarter
(?)
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>>81790816
>building your own world to fill the hole left behind
That's what we're doing now, isn't it? Good luck, anon. I hope the spite lasts long enough to get you stuck into it.
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>A Terezi facing the wrong way because she's blind joke

All worth it. I'm not even being sarcastic or ironic right now.
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>>81791142
this is exactly what happened. or at least, absolutely literally the case for the ending materials we've just received (everything since OMEGAPAUSE). It's all 100% guest art and then a commissioned animation.
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>>81791106
Hussie didn't draw that.
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>>81791155
Probably all died in Calliope's black hole, considering it sucked up their entire home.
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>>81791073
What do Cherub legs even look like? The thought terrifies me.
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>>81791065
>So, the horrorterrors were former Sburb-players?
It's possible, but that's kind of far out there, even for a fan theory.
>>81791155
Another dropped plot that got no resolution.
After Grimdark Rose they never really did anything again.
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>>81791212
No different from human legs, just green.
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>>81791065

Probably 'Squid' or something. Same as how the trolls played Sgrub.
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>>81790673
>All those incoming lewd images of Vriska after this moment
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>>81791204
Did Hussie forget how to draw?

I mean I remember him talking about his art skills diminishing as early as act 5, because he was drawing a lot less technical stuff.
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>>81791262
I had not considered that
Now I am
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>>81791212
An adult cherub is much like a muscular green human.
Their hands and feet are clawed and their face is a skull, however.
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So, is Paradox space going to get any new content do you think? Like, we will get the Epilogue on the main website I am sure, but doesn't the existence of Paradox Space open the door to more stories being told after the end of Homestuck? Perhaps all these questions we still have will get some answers later, on Paradox Space.
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>>81791262
There would have to be a fanbase for people to make porn of it
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>>81790450
so even back then he had no idea how to end, huh
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>>81790537
Lord English definitely gets defeated. His eyes settle on 8-balls, he's standing before a giant hole in space. The 8 ball is the last one you sink in pool to win. We don't see him defeated, but they're STRONGLY implying the 8-ball is gonna get sunk into that black hole. Given his whole deal is a pool metaphor, this is pretty clear.

Terezi is most likely in the new universe. We don't see her there, but there's no reason she wouldn't have gone with the rest of the kids.

Vriska is most likely dead again. This would give her arc some closure (again), since she finally does become the big damn hero but has to sacrifice herself to do it.

Gamzee is still stuck in a fridge on one of the planets (which the kids took with them to the new universe). And he can't die because you can't keep a clown down.

A lot of the rest of that shit is totally unresolved though.
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Enough anger
Let's talk about better things.
Like Caliborn's MASSIVE BULGE
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>>81790673
>Be created as parody of Mary Sue
>Become Mary Sue
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>>81791281
Indeed, so they're the ideal form life can take, basically. I'd kill to look like that.
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>>81791155
No one knows.

It's kind of shitty. The horrorterrors get slaughtered by English, and now they are in danger of the green sun black hole
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>>81790289
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>>81790289
>w-what happened to lord english?
>i thought they were gonna f-fight...
>Starts crying
Holy shit
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waiting for the fakeout
surely it will arrive soon
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okay so why even have calliope come back to life
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>>81790289
she's 14-15

this might be her first major dissapointment
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>>81791294
8-balls. Look at all of the strong implications.
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>>81789842
What about this.
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>>81791289
Honestly, if this came out a few months after the end of Act 4, it wouldn't be anywhere near as dissapointing. The kids manage to defeat the final boss and build their own universe, WV would have gone from a poor farmer to the proper mayor of Can Town, all the forgotten characters and plotpoints would either not be forgotten of never exist in the first place, and above all the entire story would only have taken two years.
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>>81791303

Well yeah. Same as how John was meant to be a parody of your typical goof ball MC and ended up being your typical goof ball MC, or how how Karkat was a parody of losers on the internet that talk great shit to make up for their own failings.
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>>81790261
>Fucking whitetext
Thankyou for linking me this
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>>81791286
Theoretically, that's what PXS was for in the first place.

In practice, it ended up being Homestuck, the newspaper strip, written by people who haven't the time or the inclination to read the comic and make meaningful contributions, with the occasional Hussie piece.
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>>81791358
>Hussie could've legit killed LE if he'd just reloaded the deudly firearm
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>>81791294
>Vriska is most likely dead again. This would give her arc some closure (again), since she finally does become the big damn hero but has to sacrifice herself to do it.
All of the other ones I agree with but for this one I have to ask how?
She makes the final strike to knock the 8ball into the hole so to speak, Lord English doesn't retaliate and it cuts off inches from hitting him, there's no way she would have died from those events
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>>81791294
>Gamzee is still stuck in a fridge on one of the planets (which the kids took with them to the new universe). And he can't die because you can't keep a clown down.
So he just stays in there until the end of the world so he can help Calliborn?

Arrg, I need Gamze timeline to work out what happened with him.
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>>81791294
>Gamzee is still stuck in a fridge on one of the planets (which the kids took with them to the new universe). And he can't die because you can't keep a clown down.
Gamzee was on LoTaK last we saw which got black hole'd
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>>81790289
I remember my first disappointment

it was all a dream and nothing mattered
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it just fucking sucks that hussie couldnt even be assed to do anything worthwhile in the end, and throws out the "eventually epilogue lol" shit when he realizes people are actually fucking disappointed with this garbage. and lets be honest, we know we wont even get anything until NEXT year at least. its like he just thought, "well, let me just tell my fanbase i might eventually do stuff just to keep them happy and just put it off and pretend im working on it"

its a real sad day when you need to look forward to some rushed epilogue because the author just doesnt give a shit anymore
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>>81791305
>Wanting to look like this

Surely you jestin'.
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>>81791338
For the "happy" ending. The one that's ruined when you realize she'll have to lose it in order for Caliborn to obtain the Ring of Void.
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>>81791375
Wow, this made me like the ending so much more.
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Is there a master list of hsg tumblrs? I still follow atomic even though I haven't seen her around, but I don't have much anybody else's info.
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>>81791289
>>81791382
A comment I read that really struck me said: "The problem with this ending is that almost nothing in Act 6 ended up mattering" (namely referring to drama, character relationships, and all sorts of other stuff that got all that attention).
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Where were you when Hussie created a white supremacist utopia?
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>god tier hoodies back in stock
>including crocker-tier life
>but no hope
this is a fuckin outrage
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>>81790289
>cries about it being over
>said they only started reading it in july of 2015
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>>81790911
>how it seems a lot of people could have also got it.
It was a public beta, so a lot of people DID get it. We saw all that in act 1. It was just that most/all people who played it died before they actually got to The Medium. For all we know, there could have been another set of kids playing SBURB that DID make it in. However, even if they did they'd die anyways because of the corrupted copy of the game Earth's universe was running.
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>>81791422
Why would I be? Don't you wish you could be a rad skull monster?
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>>81791434
atomic still hangs out in #farts
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>>81791455
>Half the inhabitants are black Carapacians
uh anon
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>>81791326
I couldn't keep watching after she started. Poor girl, she must've been super emotionally invested in Homestuck.
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>>81791417
>A Wild Ride
>not Labyrinth der träumenden Bücher
Now THAT was a disappointment. At least the Wild Ride was just a little literary experiment from the beginning on.
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>>81790043
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ktbGOAUcZM Let's not forget this.
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>>81791437
The ONLY thing the retcon did was cheat Terezi, Dave, Rose, et al. out of character development. Vriska wound up just doing the thing (Vriska) had planned to do anyways.
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>>81791495
But they are not human. And most of all not Mexican.
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>>81791437
trolls were a mistake
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>>81791116

Except that doesn't apply to carapaces. They don't have ghosts.
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>>81791469
There is clearly no hope anyway.
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>>81791477
So that means that Homestuck ends with them on a doomed world that will eventually end (we've seen how that world ends) and won't ever make a new universe causing the end of everything?
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>>81791375
I hate Huss so much at this point that i'm willing to agree with all of that just out of spite
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>>81791382
>>81791437
So when will someone make a "how to read homestuck" guide akin to "which order to watch star wars movies in" ?
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>>81791375
>i'm 99.999% sure they made rose white
ALL THE KIDS ARE LITERALLY BLANK WHITE, YOU CAN IMAGINE THEM AS ANY RACE YOU WANT

FUCK

THIS HAS BEEN CANON FOR A WHILE
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Would you?
http://strawpoll.me/7359081
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>>81791591
>So that means that Homestuck ends with them on a doomed world that will eventually end (we've seen how that world ends) and won't ever make a new universe causing the end of everything?
nah. because the juju made it so that the new universe wasn't tied to le's inevitability. they escaped and created a universe free of that future which is why the house turned from red to white.
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>>81791603
Through hate, unity.
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So, it seems we got davekat, johnroxy and davejade at the same time. Thank god, now the shipping faggots can finally shut up
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>>81791503
I never picked up anything else by by Moers after that. Anyway I was 13, I didn't have the frame of mind to think of it as anything other than bullshit.
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>>81791563
Doesn't matter. So long as they sort of look like the same guy, they may as well be the same guy.

Also, please remember, even Jaspers could recall his other lives as Jasprose and he was a fucking cat.
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>>81791591
Yep. Unless some of the other kids that played it were smart enough to figure out what they needed to fix, the best outcome for them is living eternally as gods in their broken universe
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>>81791533
Thanks for this.
THIS IS OFFICIALLY THE REAL ENDING OF HOMESTUCK.
So much better than Hussie the Hack's shameful performance.
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>>81791375
The Animator was skilled and professional for not putting in retarded headcanons though.
I blame Hussie for everything wrong with act 7
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>>81791650
I would. Stopped caring about community 3 years ago, just want closure now.
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Since Hussie is too lazy to write an actual ending my headcanon is that after the events of the masterpiece Gamzee regenerated and murdered the Alpha kids, thus becoming the sole inhabitant of earth, wandering around it for eternity
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>>81791650
HIT IT
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So what are your predictions for Act 7?
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>>81791695
I feel nothing but pity for the animator. Imagine unwittingly being the instrument of the greatest surge of disappointment the Internet has ever felt.
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>>81791228
it wasnt a dropped plot, it was a back plot. it was supposed to be vague the whole time. thats the point. theyre obscure elder gods, it would remove the allure if the kids met them and talked to them, or even if hussie delineatde their nature.
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>>81791591
>>81791680
Of course, that only goes for anyone in the Beta kid universe. The new universe that Homestuck ends in (presumably) will bear a healthy version of SBURB, because the frog is healthy.
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>>81791658
>new universe wasn't tied to le's inevitability.
but the can city they built was the same one that Calliborn was in when he finally went outside, so I'm not too sure.
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How fucked is a 6-player Sessions with these classpects?
>Knight of Space
>Prince of Time
>Page of Heart
>Page of Void
>Mage of Doom
>Rogue of Breath
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>>81791650
No.
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>>81791629
To be completely honest I can't imagine them as any race but White Caucasian. And to give credit to the Tumblrina, the scene where Rose is standing next to Kanaya has weird lightning that makes her skin look a little pinkish.
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>>81791375
The one good thing with this update is the tumblr fangirls were all btfo by no davekat and no fat black trannies who look like The Rock in a wig
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>>81791727
At least everyone is so busy being mad at Hussie that they have no blame to falsely fling at the animator. That was ALL on him.
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>>81790469
>>81790526
And what's wrong with getting into it only last summer and liking it for what it was?
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>>81790537

>How Rose’s mom killed denizen in Jack: ascend
What
Wasn't that just a regular strong underling? She did it because guardians are strong as fuck, look at Bro and Dad.
>Why Meulin and Gamzee’s ancestor had the same eyes as LE and were working for him/what happened to them
Because Kurloz was in the same cult as Gamzee, which worshipped Lord English as a god. Meulin followed along because she was being mind-controlled by his chucklevoodoos.
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>>81790289
>dumb bitch
>literal 15 year old

Really, anon?
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>>81790289
Saddest part is she just got into the magic that is Homestuck Cosplay.
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rose's legs
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>>81791650
HIT
THAT
FUCKING
SHIT
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>>81791667
>Davekat
Nope, Karkat's upset and Dave is still monogamous

Just Dave/Jade, at most he's an accessory.
Which is bullshit because he should be off being the god emperor of trollkind like Echinda said he was supposed to be not some guy who watches his ex boyfriend fuck a dog.
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>>81791736
>will bear a healthy version of SBURB, because the frog is healthy.
but that's the one the Cherubs were in, and they failed.
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>>81791720
It will have two pages and the second is literally "The End".
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>>81791780
It was. I'm grateful for her talents and appreciate her giving us a really cool Caliborn.
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What if
the epilogue is fucking longer than act 6
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>>81791824
That's a particularly ugly shot of her, though, it's a shame.
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>>81791749
>Knight of Space
Seems to be good
>Prince of Time
Okay. You are fucked.
>Page of Heart
Not going to help.
>Page of Void
Useless beyond reason.
>Mage of Doom
You tried.
>Rogue of Breath
has nothing to steal with freedom

Fucked up but at least not as fucked as homestuck ending.
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>>81791744
I think it's either
>after this new universe begins SBURB, it will start to die and the planet will become the planet Caliborn started on
or
>that WAS going to happen, but they exploited glitches (like the recon powers) in order to ensure it doesn't and Caliborn/LE is stuck in a black hole
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i started reading homestuck when jade was introduced
it was so long ago that i don't even remember how long ago it was
now it's over and i dont feel anything
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>>81791749
>>Prince of Time
One who destroys time, or destroys with time?
That's one nightmarish mythological role this character has.

The rest all seem like they could be average or good except for the fact that there are two Pages. And Pages apparently have a lot of potential to manifest, meaning they start low and end high.
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>>81791794
Its honestly just kinda sad, if they popped in that late, it was probably due to genuine interest rather than bandwagoning, and this is what she got in return for that dedication.
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>>81791533
The fucking Condesce, Kanaya matchup. Fucking brutal stuff right there.
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>>81791533
Fucking beautiful, this is the ending homestuck deserves

Maybe we could slap on a few hours of homestuck gmod playset flailings

And then the SBAHJ movie

And then Caliborn's rendition of Con Air with a musical score performed on his keyboard of assorted noises.
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>>81791774
People imagine Jade and Joke dark skinned tho. Guess it makes a bit of sense since they live on an island and must get enough sun
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>>81791670
All his other books are actually top tier up until Stadt der Träumenden Bücher. Afterwards the quality went down.
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>>81791774
>To be completely honest I can't imagine them as any race but White Caucasian
Me niether, but fuck's sake Tumblr
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>>81791800
>Wasn't that just a regular strong underling?
No, I think it was the denizen.
I seem to remember at one point Rose went to where her denizen was only to find it was already dead and the reward for killing it was still there and she was really confused.
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>>81791872
I think it's meant to be the latter. The kids are in a universe unstuck from causality, while LE is homestuck in the juju inside a black hole.
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>>81791873
It's hard to reconnect to the series as deeply as you were when you first started it. I didn't feel anything either.
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>>81791028
I have masturbated to the source of that image so many times.
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>>81791821
I hanna hold hands with her!

>>81791815
This tbqh.
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>>81791294
>Lord English definitely gets defeated. His eyes settle on 8-balls,

You forgot what Vriska is an expert in 8reaking
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>>81791780
Why would you blame animator? Animation was good. It is ending that was bad.
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>>81791422
Yeah anon, they're hot as hell
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Guys I figured it out.

We got the bad/neutral ending because of one thing that we missed.

The one thing that no one cared about, but was definitely super important.

THE WALLET
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>>81791749
I don't think you can have two pages, but ignoring that it's probably not completely fucked. The time shenanigans will be a complete cluster fuck, but probably won't be un-fuckable. The frog breeding will probably be pretty straight forward, and you don't have any outright broken or unplayable classpects, so I'd say you've got a decent chance of getting through that.

Either that or the fact that you've got Horuss Sollux and Rufioh all there will almost certainly break your session.
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>>81790289
genuinely disheartening, christ
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>>81791877
>>81791871
Yeah the Prince is what scares me
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>>81791821
What a innocent cutie.

Why couldn't you protect her?
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>>81791902
Yeah, it's common to do that, but it's more like a tan or something. Or Jade's East Asian. But I won't lie- on my first read-through, I imagined Jade as a pale ditzy silly girl.
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>>81791859
Honestly I wouldn't mind that if all those loose ends get wrapped up satisfyingly and the tonal dissonance of the last couple pages get addressed.
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>>81791919
http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Rose%27s_Mom

>She is later seen attacking a huge creature on the Land of Light and Rain after docking her boat in front of a cave. Despite its size she takes the monster down with ease.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't Cetus. I'd imagine it'd be mentioned if it was.

Also, have this cute picture I found while looking for Mom's wiki page.
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>>81791948
She is very cute. Her face is precious as hell.
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>>81791932
those hiatuses fucking killed it man
i took a break after the reset because the post scratch stuff was kinda boring tbqh
i was super invested in the actual sburb parts of homestuck, that the scratch was like a kick to the nuts in that regard
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How Calliope created black hole?
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>>81791965
I want to believe anon but it wont happen.

Hussie was not able to tie everything together in a way he was happy with. He just decided to go with his original plan and do whatever small things he could to try and tie some of the loose ends.
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WE WERE TRULY, HOMESTUCK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UE81f0KbK0
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>>81791965
Homestuck NG+ 1.0 You Can (Not) Update
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>>81791956
I had forgot that, good foreshadowing
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>>81791966
Well I was wondering that, about having two pages, but I thought it couldn't be impossible if the 48-player Squiddle Session has that been confirmed yet? was a thing, unless there are more than just the few classes we know about, there had to be repeats
>>
this thing is, this was planned out three years ago. hussie just kept making new plotlines while writing the comic in that time
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>>81791919
You remember wrong. Nothing about Rose's version of Cetus ever becomes relevant. She refused the cycle of the game and thus never made any Choice.
Cetus willingly unlocked her hoard for the ultimate alchemy as part of Jade's bargain with Echidna.
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>>81791749
>Knight of Space
Solid start. I mean, unless having only one person doing the frog breeding is bad.
>Prince of Time
As everyone else said, holy shit this is horrifying. Although I can imagine it has a chance of somehow being really good? Probably disastrous.
>Page of Heart
Pages are mostly useless.
>Page of Void
Two pages are twice as useless.
>Mage of Doom
Dead on arrival.
>Rogue of Breath
Also a solid classpect.
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>>81791859
What if the epilogue is a few pages that's like old Homestuck (young person in room, does things, but then happy wrap up ending), but instead stars the kids' kids.
>>
When does the real update drop? I'm getting sick of waiting.
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>>81790673
The contrast between her bouncing breasts and paper face is jarring, Jesus Christ.

>>81791142
I believe there are two possibilities from now on
1. Hussie's enthusiasm shifted to Hiveswap, and he became invested mind, heart and soul in it. It will be Acts 1-5 all over again.
2. Hussie passed on development to other WP employees and will no longer be involved in anything Homestuck. He will buy a ranch in the middle of nowhere and retire under a fake name, surrounded by hard-earned horses.
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>>81792034
Well as we all know, Muses are the most passive class of all and-
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>>81792124
>instead stars the kids' kids.
That's fucking retarded.
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>>81791794
Nothing really but a lot of the homestuck "experience" was the immediate response from the community
The discussion, the art, the cosplay, the shitposting it all added to read the comic and to be an up to date reader
And there wasnt any of that i think later on or in very small scale
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>>81792034
Black hole is her kernelsprite, same as Caliborn.
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>>81791824
her skin has a pinkish hue
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>>81792144
Hussie isn't the head writer of Hiveswap anymore. It's a guy whose twitter handle is skullmandible or something.
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Is it me, or do those new god tier hoods look of a higher quality than the old ones?
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>>81789402
I can't believe Michael Guy Bowman saw this debacle coming back in 2011.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUDkBTYWtGk

>And you lay awake and wonder
>And you never get your sleep
>'Cause you're still waiting for the answer
>But you never hear a peep
>And you die alone and angry
>And you're wrapped up in a shroud
>And the world's far below you
>And your feet are in the clouds
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>>81792166
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>>81792034
gravity brassier
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>>81792061
That's fantastic.
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>>81791871
>>81791877
>>81791966
>>81792116
Why does everyone seem to think Prince of Time would be some sort of timebomb? Dirk was a Prince and he didn't destroy the souls of all his friends
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Problem Sleuth fan here who never got into Homestuck

I dunno what you guys expected. It very quickly descended into clusterfuck territory. Problem Sleuth was crazy, over the top, meandering...but it never went on tangents that lasted as long as in Homestuck
I quit Homestuck after its 2nd year.
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>>81792124
There would be mass davekat suicides and probably a massive amount of people rushing to be the firsts to draw porn of them
Me included
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>>81792071
>has that been confirmed yet
Though it was a formspring answer and thus should be taken with a grain of salt, the relevance of squiddles early on (even so far as having an entire album dedicated to them) and the star-sign quote of Terezi, it's basically confirmed that:
A. there is more to squiddles then one might think
B. Alternia/Beforus was made by a session of 48 players, either in one big group or scratched groups.

It's basically confirmed.
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>>81790289
>"somethings gonna happen, this isnt going to end happy"
>"thats it?"
Hussie confirmed for the true villian of HS.
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>>81792213
Maybe this time they don't have the shitty plastic-based ink that flakes off, and looks and feels like shit.
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>>81792221
how old is this
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What could of been
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M5FxI_p5wg
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Why were the horses ironic? Why, Hussie? Where were the horses?
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>>81792213
It doesn't matter since the colors are still fucking wrong for half of them
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>>81792248
Destroying souls is scary in concept, but there's a selectivity to it at least. You can pick who's soul you're going to annihilate, and you don't have to hit your buddies.
Destroying TIME, however?
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>>81792248
>>81791970
I'm more worried about the Space player being an offensive class, honestly. That sounds like it can get real bad, real quick if they don't have their shit together.
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>smuppet plush

good lord
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>>81792221
Oh man that takes me back.

Post more, you sick fuck.
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Hussie is ruined.

He won't be able to show his face in public again.

He won't be able to sell a new copy of Hiveswap. Hell, the backers who already paid for a copy of it just want their money back now.

He will regret this for the rest of his days.
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>>81792279
2010
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>>81792280
Someone needs to write a comic that actually makes use of all the music properly. Just do a big Singing In The Rain thing that delivers on the siundtrack's promises.
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>>81792260
Honestly PS just exhausted me after a point because it was so full of random bullshit.

But at least it had nice fucking closure.
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>>81789787
Exactly my feelings. This ending was great and I loved it but it feels so inconclusive to all the shit he introduced in latter acts. It's not the ending's fault, really, it's the nonsense that followed the retcon and Game Over.
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>>81792248
The real problem is that his main way to fix time fuck ups is to fuck up with time even more.
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i found my old shipping chart...
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>>81792303
Dave and Aradia both use their time powers locally just fine
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>>81792205
Skullmandible's pretty cool, honestly. Hiveswap is in good hands, I think.
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>>81790289
A-at least there's the epilogue.
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>>81792312
I'm the Space player, the person who made the original question post
I thought my session was ALL fucked, with a knight of space, mage of doom and a prince of time, those were all shitty fuck me up senpai classpects
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>>81792364
>Araquius
NEREVAR.jpg
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Homestuck is over and we STILL don't know shit about classpects.
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>>81792221
>if you eliminate the tavrosbaby and change the JohnRose kids to JohnRoxy kids, it still works

Scary
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>>81792205
>Hussie isn't the head writer of Hiveswap
Hussie just doesn't fucking care anymore holy shit.
>>
http://plazmataz.tumblr.com/post/36705203671/snippet-of-something-im-working-on-for-the-comic

F
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>>81791375
>dat passive aggressive smileys spam

>>81792127
If we are getting a second update, it'll probably be at 23:59:59 in whatever timezone Hussie lives in.
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>>81792366
Even destroying time locally should cause some pretty bad shit.
Destroying a soul is kinda scary, but it's not fucking trashing a facet of reality's operation.
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>tfw my old mac probably still has my old pesterchum on the desktop bar, the Sburb symbols on program icons, and a picture of LOLAR
I feel so empty. I will never touch that computer ever again.
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Quick Enquriy:

Did you pick up Homestuck after it had started or before and if after how long did it take you to catch up?

For me the first time I started reading was around the time that Karkat gets hit with the bucket while they took their 3 year journey.

I caught up around the time Jane was mid way through her first introduction. I think she just saw Dad outside.
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>>81792364
wait no that was the "canon" ships

THIS is my personal chart
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>>81792166
There's a way to pull it off, I think. Only show one guardian per kid and make it somewhat ambiguous as to whether or not the guardians are the beta kids

>>81792404
Last I checked I was a Thief of Hope, so I got it pretty decent. Hope seems ridiculously OP with the right class and player.
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Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
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>>81790289
>Every time she said "Woah" at the animation
>Humming along to the melodies featured in the song
>That genuine excitement
>Smiling giddily
>Starting to tear up by the end
>Video ends
>Silence
>If you look closely you can actually pinpoint the exact moment her heart breaks in two.
>"...That's it?"
>Starts sobbing

I hope you're happy Hussie you dumbfuck.
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>>81792456
Why couldn't Hussie have at least ended with this playing.
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>>81792456
>Reminder that Ugly Betty was NEVER used for a flash

Why does Hussie not only stop endorsing music creation but also stops himself from using the GOATS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdCZ1kKzb8A
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>>81791877
Entropy god-tier powers would be fucking awesome. Kind of like that game "Singularity", where you could artificially age people into dust.
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>>81792373
I don't think I can give a bother about Hiveswap after what happened to Homestuck. We'll see, I guess.
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Does anyone have the archive of the update thread? I need to remember this phantom pain for the future
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>>81792373
I dunno, maybe, maybe not.

But I want some classic Hussie writing, you know?
Which is something these final updates of Homestuck were missing.
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>>81792442
Can't, no dog ears on Dave's little bastards
>>
The real end will be a comic that updates weekly on Paradox Space
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>>81792492
Caught up by the update before trickster mode, god i was so naive.
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The fuck am I gonna do with my 1500 Homestuck images now? The magic is gone.
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>>81792492
Picked up when Calliope was sticking out her tongue. Caught up when Caliborn was walking to the Statue of Liberty.
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So which one is ultimately better?
Con Air or Homestuck?
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>>81792532
Is there a complete list of hope and dreams that was crashed by Andrew "no character arcs" Hussie?
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>>81792363
I don't buy for a second that a Prince couldn't time travel normally. Knights whole game is 'exploiting as a weapon' (according to Aradia) but Dave can still use 'non-weaponised' time travel whenever

Not to mention that conksuck uses the music boxes.
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>>81790673
THIS is the thick Vriska you guys were talking about? I was expecting a titty monster from how you guys described her.
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>>81792492
Been here a while. Caught up while Doc Scratch was narrating, think my official first update was Hussie assaulting Scratch or the first scrapbook update. Took me about a week? I was reading it constantly. Been hooked on that sweet, sweet horse ever since.

>>81792578
Maybe he'll get a Humanimals cartoon on Adult Swim.
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>>81792492

I picked it up sometime in 2010. Can't remember what was going when I started, but I caught up in time for murderstuck I think.
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>>81792602
Information can be valuable on the future. Save it for history purposes.
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>>81792492
Are started during Doc Scratch's story time with the arrows. Right before Dave got knocked out by a ball of yarn.
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>>81792602
Post archive here.
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>>81791749
>Prince of Time

Enjoy having Eggs as your time player you fuckmunch
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>>81792611
Con Air had a good ending so I'm gonna go with that.
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i rememeber this
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>>81792499
they're shit
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what the fuck am i looking at
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>>81792492
I've been around since they first started fighting DMK. Too long.
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>>81792221
Man, the more I look at this the more I wanted to see more closure with Dave/Jade
Or just Dave as some sort of responsible parent, like proving he rose beyond Bro.
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>>81792532
This whole thing was just meant to harvest her tears specifically.
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>>81792290
Which ones are the wrong color?

Light looks like it might be a bit off, but I think it looks better that way...
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>>81792343
Say what you will about the Problem Sleuth boss fight, at least everything came together.
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>>81792696

"Progress"
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>>81792696
HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU INTERPRENT THE CHARACTERS LIKE THIS
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>>81792556
>Ugly Betty
That's some good taste ya got there anon.

It's gonna be weird listening to all these songs now that the comic is over, unless the epilogue turns out to be more than we bargained for.
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>>81792611
Do you even have to ask that Anon?
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>>81792492
I started reading during act two, only took an afternoon to catch up
Then when Game Over started happening i dropped it until a week ago, when I marathoned it and caught up just in time to be two hours late for the last update
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>>81792248
My thinking is that his first act upon detecting the possiblity of a doomed timeline would be to FREEZE TIME ITSELF to prevent the occurance. Time players are probably the most important to be perfect. Your space player has to be competent, but the time character stands alone against a continual possibility of unstoppable party wipe. Cannot be fucked up..
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>>81792696
l'arte
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>>81792492
I caught up just right after the intermission. The first recent page I saw was the LoWaS walkaround.

Do you know how this feels for me.
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>>81792649
Yeah, I probably will save it. Some of this stuff still makes me laugh my ass off.
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>>81792499
>black vriskat

good taste
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>>81792492
Doc scratch narration.

Damn redwood, I thought you'd been here longer than that.
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>>81792566
Thank you! I was thinking my session would have a HORRIBLE trouble with Entropy shit, with my Doom player and the shit Time player, and the fact that the Page of Void is into robotics shit and said he'd prototype one of his robots
I was listening to Muse - The 2nd Law: Unsustainable while at work today while trying to think of a way to make my session interesting, and I thought! What if the prototyped robot has artificial intelligence and tries to shut down the session because of entropic shit, got the idea from the song idk
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>>81792611
Con air.
I can at least re-watch it and get enjoyment out of how silly it is. And the ending makes sense for the story
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>>81792713
I cant be fucked to look but I know off the top of my head Breathe is still fucking wrong
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Who animated this flash? I wanna get the artist to animate the the final fight of The Masterpiece
Hell I just wanna see Caliborn and Gamzee fight the kids
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>>81792573
http://archive.is/58FiY
You feel it too, don't you?
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>>81792499
Good tastes
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>>81792786
DaveKat confirmed
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>>81792323
>he hasn't left /hst/ to see the rest of the internet eat it up like drunken prospectors with a bowl of chilli con carne made with the flesh of a nearby red indian
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>>81792492
I first started reading I don't know when, maybe four years ago? Five?
I don't even remember when I caught up. I think shortly before the frog reveal.
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>>81792690
Me too
>>81792789
>that muse song
I love you already, lmao.
>>
Is anyone else just going to pretend [s] Cascade was the real ending?

Also I really hope Hussie publishes a volume of collected essays/forum spring posts.
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>>81792602
Upload them, I want them
>>
So it's finally over, huh?

Are we... free?
>>
>>81792071

I think Hussie mentioned at some point that there are more classes and aspects than what he shows in the comics. A 48 could probably be done with out any over lapping classpects.
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>>81792846
Davekat is deader than your sex life.
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>>81792802
Angela Sham did. She's pretty well-known for this animation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKfP9N28buk
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>God Tier hoodies in production again
>all except for Hope
Fuck you WLF
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>>81792851
Reddit and the youtube commenters also think it's shit
Dunno if tumblr is throwing a shitfit like us
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I WANT TO WRITE A FIC THAT TAKES PLACE IN THE NEW UNIVERSE BUT I DONT KNOW IF THE PROTAG SHOULD BE A CHESS GUY OR A CHARACTER

HELP
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>>81792889
Yeah. I have the song. I never listen to it because it makes me cry.
I mean, it's a bad ending because it doesn't conclude a lot of shit but it's better than this.
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>>81792802
Hussie himself of course.
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>>81792786
>Jade not even on there
Purest waifu
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>>81792899
We finally got our freedom.

but it's not what we wanted.
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>>81792899
We have an epilogue and other shit happening. The ride ain't over just yet.
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>>81790673

Vriska has always been Haruhi to me. Now she finally looks the part. She even did the pose!
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>>81792752
I could see that being more an Heir thing, seeing as John got lots of defensive freebies
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>>81792916
I've had more sex than most of HSG combined
That's what happens when you drop shitty webcomics for a couple years
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>>81792920
Don't you get it anon
There is no more hope
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>>81791470
homestuck was made for the archival readers in mind :^)
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What was the point to this character?
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POST OLD ART
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>dirk got his head chopped off in Collide
>it was really dramatic and shit
>next update he gets revived by Jane like it's nothing

why kill him in the first place
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>>81792704
Are you the guy who was always pushing stay-at-home dad Dave?
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>>81792303
That's basically what the villain of Jojo Part 5 does
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>>81792924
Tumblr is losing it too for a myriad of reasons.
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>>81792825
>all that joy and relief that its finally over
>that immediate turn
Holy shit
I found the exact moment people's hearts broke
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>>81792944
Are you happy knowing you made the last original freedom comment we will ever see?

I will always remember you /FREEDOM/posters. Thanks for the meme magic
>>
>>81792980
to prove that people doesn't have character arcs
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>>81792899
Tch. You just don't get it do you? People like you really piss me off!

No, the ride is not over yet
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>>81792919
>she was a Homestuck fan
can you fucking imagine how it felt to bring this monstrosity to life through painstaking labor and know how shit it's all going to be
He must not have let her know it was the actual ending
>>
Would a thief of mind be someone who reads the thoughts of someone non consensually, Someone who steals intelligence or someone who steals sanity?
>>
>>81792993
Give me one good reason why Dave as a content, stay-at-home dad wouldn't be the cutest fucking thing
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Whatever happened to that text based sburb game?
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>>81792930
Chess guy
>>
Is Paradox Space worth reading?
I dropped HS before it started and picked it back up after it ended.
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>>81792899
A lot of people are saying "are we free" and I get they are taking the mick but I never really felt trapped by Homestuck. By the time Hussie started announcing updates a lot of the mystery left for me.

It was like catching a series then, I knew when it was going to update so there was no compulsive need to be checking places to get a hint at an upd8. I really loved Homestuck for it's music, early plot points (albeit now unfinished) and the randomness and surprise elements.
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I fucking knew it! I'm sorry I ever doubted Hussie.
I'm shaking guys.
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>>81792492
I tried to follow Homestuck after it started (I followed PS from start to finish), but the sylladex gags weren't for me and I dropped it about a week in.
I only tuned back in about a year and a half later when I was linked WV?: Rise Up, which was so musically and thematically interesting that I bothered to power-read through and stick with it until [S] Cascade which I loved completely.
The beginning of Act 6 turned me right off again and so I once more tuned out until well into the megapause, when I bothered to read through the rest just out of curiosity. Checked in sporadically from there, but bothered to mark when the omegapause was ending for this last week.
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>>81792930
Just use Killer Queen.
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>>81793015
yeah well sometimes people make up scenarios where people do have character arcs and that's called writing a god damn story
>>
>>81793038
She can steal their plans and motivations. In combat, this would work as a temporary stun, by removing an enemy's motivation to fight. It would also be really fucking useful for neutralising the queen and Jack Noir.
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>>81793079
Hell no
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>>81792966
I BELIEVE

I NEVER STOPPED BELIEVING
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>>81793034
Hussie worked four years on the storyboard of the animation. She was busy animating it for over half a year.
HUSSIE YOU HACK
>>
>>81793099
Oh hey I'm reading sleep tight too
>>
>>81793065
http://overseer2.com/
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>>81793099
Too soon, faggot.
>>
>>81793103
Killer Queen as in Killer Queen alchemized by Dirk in order to oversee earthly operations?

I'm sure the nigga liked Jojo, it had SOUL GHOSTS
>>
>>81793038
Thief of mind is Lelouch, stealing your decisions and controlling peoples like pawns.
>>
>>81793079
It's alright. The bad ones are usually over quick. Summerteen Ronance and Mr. Seven are the best.
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>>81793099
> ====>
>not ==>
You fucked up
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>>81793099
You're not going to fool anyone

Not yet, anyway
>>
>>81790205
>but it was also bad for the complete bullshit way everything ended
I liked it.
>>
>>81793008
this is so sad
>>
>>81793099
I know that it is bullshit but checked anyway.
>>
>>81793047
Dave is gay
>>
>>81791155
Mentioned once in Act 6. Now forever forgotten. Prefn' F ta'gn' plsk resph'a'gls.

>>81791437
That's... that's actually true.
This a horrible feeling. Someone make it stop.

>>81791294
>Implying Vriska won't survive and get her perfect Mary Sue ending just to fuck with the readers a little more
Either way, if everybody who wasn't on the frog platform is dead then a lot of people who didn't deserve to die died with her, and if nobody is then she got to live and that's awful too. You just can't win.

Also, ARquius has to make it to the Masterpiece, and we have no confirmation that everything stops existing the moment players leave their session.
>>
>>81793102
>WV?: Rise Up
I forgot how good Homestuck could be until I rewarded this amd WV:Ascend a few days ago. I really wish I hadn't.
>>
>>81793079
The Inaugural Death of Mister Seven is.
Summerteen Romance comes in at a distant second and the rest are crap.
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>>81792765
>obviously knows his shit if he made that Zillyhoo and outfit himself
>half-asses the hair and glasses anyways
Jesus fucking christ. Why?
>>
>>81793207
Source?
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>>81793205
>>81793178
>>81793176
master prankster here
...
I checked too ;_;
>>
>>81790131
:^)
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>>81793209
Vriska should be 100% dead in any sane ending.
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>>81793271
More relevant than anyone could have imagined.
>>
>>81793212
Summerteen Romance was great.
>>
/hsg/ better stay or i've got shit to do all day
>>
DON'T YOU FUCKERS UNDERSTAND? IT WAS ALL A LESSON ABOUT MARY SUES!

BY ADDING VRISKA BACK TO THE FRAY, EVERYTHING BECOMES DULL, UNANSWERED, AND UNFULFILLING.

THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS THAT VRISKA IS SHIT
AND WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED WITH HUSSIE POINTING AT LE WHAT THE FUCK YOU HACK FUCK
>>
>>81793207
He was prison gay
He was like "Oh is masculinity really a cover for our latent gayn- wait nevermind Jade's here back to loving vaginas"
>>
>>81793292
Isn't she god-tier? She should be fine.
>>
>>81793301
Mister Seven was absolutely clever though.
I may be biased.
>>
What the fuck happened to the Alpha kids?
>>
>>81793207
He's not, but even if it was what's stopping him from cooking his kids pancakes in the morning before driving them to kindergarten?
>>
Honest question.

Do you guys think it would have been better had Homestuck ended three years ago?
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>>81793292
What about Aradia?
Did she intend to be fully alive and stay that way?
>>
>>81782096

Yeah all the good ones have locked tumblers and the rest are a bunch of fatties in glasses calling themselves John.
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>>81792786
Now I want a word-to-fuck ratio. The number of times a given character said fuck in comparison to their over all lines through the comic.
Can such a feat even be accomplished?
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>>81793099
>WLF ad twice
too obvious m80
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>>81791375
Of all the things to be mad about that's fucking stupid. But I understand. The boobs felt out of place on MSPA sprites, and damn, let people headcanon flat Vriska for fuck's sake.

>>81791650
>Engaging in Homestuck discussion with random strangers once the comic is over
Nah. I'd push that button.

>>81793364
How is that even a fucking question. Of course. Four years for nothing is better than seven years for nothing.
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>>81793307
>VRISKA IS SHIT
Don't you get it, anon?
That's what she was there for.
That was the plan.
To give you a boner.
You got one.
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>>81793340
LE is God-Tier as well.
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>>81793307
>AND WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED WITH HUSSIE POINTING AT LE WHAT THE FUCK YOU HACK FUCK
EXACTLY
AND WHAT ABOUT THOSE HORSES
THIS ENDING LOOKS LIKE THE ENDING OF AN ALT TIMELINE HOMESTUCK, BUT IT DOESN'T DIRECTLY FOLLOW THE PREVIOUS PAGES

LIKE, WE SEE THE ARMY APPROACHING LORD ENGLISH EVEN IF THEY WERE ALREADY FIGHTING AGAINST HIM??? INCLUDING MEENAH AND TAVROS
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>>81793340
How she supposed to escape black hole that even Lord English can't?
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>>81792899
Congratulations, freedomposter!
Congratulations, katnep!
Congratulations, bowmananon!
Congratulations, rachelboner!
Congratulations, beefucker!
Congratulations, "bro was abusive" fag!
Congratulations, old HSG!
Congratulations, guy who keeped posting fat manlet karkat!
Congratulations, childpile!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV7s1SH9vqQ
Now excuse me, I have a better webcomic to make.
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Weren't we promised 30 minutes of animation? We only got 27.
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>>81793212
>The Inaugural Death of Mister Seven
so good. just have J.N. Wiedle write the whole ending to the comic.

>Summerteen Romance
>distant second
c'mon son
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>>81793352
Playin soccer
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>>81791965
The wallet was meant to hold the new universe. Vriskotron Sessionfixer 8000 alchemized it with her modus and that was it. No twist here. Sorry guys.

>>81792323
I've got at least one friend who is completely, unambiguously happy with the update.
Hussie could vomit on the floor and one third of his fanbase would lap it all up with a smile.
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We know at least one other earth SBURB session exists because of fedorafreak. Since they both came from earth It's a little strange that Caliborns influence seems to be isolated to the kids' session.
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>>81792786
>Roxy says fuck the most out of all the girls

best girl
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Homestuck deserve a fucking award for WORST ENDING EVER MADE.
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>>81793411
Not only that but the people that got vaporized also were there.
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>>81793384
I can't into HTML
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>>81793425
We got 11 and then 18

That's 30
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>>81793292
Don't you worry. See, any epilogue would have to come after Act 7, effectively making it Act 8.

It'll just be more Vriska being responsible for everything, as it turns out she arranged the events in the Masterpiece and married Caliborn, which is why he has the Ring of Void.
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>>81793412
we haven't seen either of them try to escape it, how do you know they wouldn't be able to
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So Gamzee is the last living troll hundreds of years in the future, where the earth is barren and everyone but the kids are dead.
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>>81793411
this
The animation looks pre-retcon.
WHY THE FUCK IS VRISKA IN THE DREAMBUBBLES ANYWAYS WASN'T THE POINT OF THE RETCON TO BRING HER BACK FROM THE DREAMBUBBLES

HUSSIE YOU HACK
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Why do people not get it doesn't matter there are a lot of unanswered questions. They don't have to worry about Cindy, Jack, or Caliborn anymore. They beat the game. They're free.
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>>81793493
> WHY THE FUCK IS VRISKA IN THE DREAMBUBBLES
To fight Lord English?
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>>81793438
>nobody remembers the Gent of Piss
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>>81793366
>Aradia was intentionally going towards the black hole because it leads somewhere
I THOUGHT SHE SEEMED OUT OF PLACE BUT KNOW IT MAKES SENSE
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>>81793489
Arquius kind of
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>>81793408
>>81793412
When is it implied that the black hole killed LE? The treasure is what kills/traps him. As far as I know Vriska didn't even know about alt-Calliope and her plan.
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>>81793436
*Meant to hold Earth, sorry.
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>>81790537
We also dont know how Mituna got retarded or anything about the B1 trolls
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>>81793474
Well... If Lord English can escape if would be even more retarded... than it is already.
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>>81793449
What? No that's 29. And we did only get 27 minutes of flash animation. 18 from Collide and 9 from Act 7
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shout out to the guy in my linear algebra class wearing a dave shirt
u braver than i am
i couldn't bring myself to wear my karkat shirt after that
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>>81793519
>They beat the game. They're free.
But they aren't.
For Causality requires that the 8 kids at some point jump to fight kidborn, where the alphas will [?] while the Betas get trapped in the Juju and then presumably die with LE at the end
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>>81793520
She couldn't do that while dead?
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Homestuck is shit.
KatNep is King.
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>>81793548
yeah
cue ball pockets the 8 ball to win the game
it's the final step to winning a game of pool
>>
I still like Collide.
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>>81793581
They didn't beat Sburb, they beat Homestuck. They're free from Hussie, which is the only true freedom there is.
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>>81793548
Wait... If Black Hole is useless to defeat Lord than what is even a point to create one?
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>>81793520
Why didn't Hussie just let the ghost Vriska do it? What purpose does her being alive serve, except to be a cheap way to skip over anyone actually resolving their problems?

What Homestuck taught me is if you have personal issues, you may as well just die and hope someone else does better.
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>>81791039
TOP FUCKING KEK
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>>81793600
CONGRATULATIONS
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>>81793493
It's obvious that Hussie planned that animation without having in mind the retcon. When he designed the animation Vriska was the leader of the pirate crew, and she was followed by the army. This flash would have worked EXACTLY the same if the retcon have never happened, with the only difference being the color of Vriska's eyes.

The retcon was a mistake and it's what makes the ending feel so bad.
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>>81790289
is this what dying is like
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vriska promised her gf she'd return from the war though
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>>81793619
Destroy the Green Sun and the seizure reality cracks that are destabilizing (or rather over-stabilizing) paradox space.
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I don't know about the rest of you, but if just pt up texting telling me what happened I'd be okay with that at this point I just want some fucking closure
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>>81793619
To destroy the Green Sun
why she's doing that is ambiguous though.
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>>81793584
Everything went into shit without her so this is why she needs to be alive. To scheme victory for other trolls and humans.
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>>81793632
>Why didn't Hussie just let the ghost Vriska do it? What purpose does her being alive serve, except to be a cheap way to skip over anyone actually resolving their problems?
Vriska needed to do EVERYTHING. Both completing the kid's session and killing Lord English.
DON'T YOU GET IT? IT'S FUNNY. VRISKA DID EVERYTHING. OH GOD VRISKA IS SO GREAT I LOVE YOU VRISKA.
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>>81793641
What was even the point of the reton? I at least understand the intent behind Act 6 in general even if it was awful, but what the fuck was the point?
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>>81793519
There's a fine line between

>Let's see how Mushroom Farmer is doing
and
>I hope you like these panning shots of ship teases because its all you're getting of the kids
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>>81793608
Collide was pretty good.
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>>81793651
> Destroy the Green Sun
What is even a point?
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>>81793668
>Everything went into shit without her
It only did after Hussie made the decision for it to be so. He couldn't deal with having his characters actually work their problems through.
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>>81793709
stay tuned for the epilogue :^)
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>>81793709
Traps LE in a black hole
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Here is every [S] page in Homestuck, for your convenience. Enjoy.

http://pastebin.com/DQbrJtdk
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Bolin was right.
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>>81793709
The Green Sun's existence holds consequences for paradox space at large. It acts as a beacon, a focus point, and a waymarker in a place where waymarkers should not naturally exist.

There are many benefits to its existence, but at the same time, there are probably unforeseen drawbacks.
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>>81790265
We're probably gonna have to make our own, like we did with the battle against the Black king
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-19Up0dLzNw
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i'd still let the signless murder my ass
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>>81793709
Supposedly to weaken Lord English, because he has inherited Doc Scratch's First Guardian powers.
But I'm still not sure it actually did anything, LE would still be immortal anyways.
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>>81793762
Just fucking delete it
Who cares
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>>81793581
The kids that fight Caliborn are from the old alpha timeline before John's retcon. And to clarify the John we see now is not the old alpha timeline John, but a doomed timeline version caused by Arenea's interferance. We never see how the original alpha timeline plays out, except its obvious they fight caloborn later on.
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>>81793792
I guess the idea is to take away his ability to teleport out of the black hole. He's immortal but helpless.
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>>81793684
I don't fucking know. Everything makes sense pre-retcon. Gamzee being on Caliborn's planet, Jack getting Lil Cal, Calliope's book, the cherub's timeline...

The retcon just made everything pointless. I guess most of the unanswered things, like the sorting out of certain time loops and such, can be deduced with hints that Hussie left scattered. But I can't bring myself to give a shit after the retcon, because I KNOW the original hints pointed in another direction and that now it's just an afterthought where Vriska did everything.

And it feels so cheap. This ending would have been golden without the retcon, but not like this.
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>>81793676
Vriska is fucking cancer. That's literally just what she is. Who even cares about this "anti-hero" nonsense?

I prefer my evil monsters to be acknowledged as the evil monsters they are, without any sort of being "misunderstood".
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>>81793608
I would've been totally okay if it all ended with Collide.
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>>81789790
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>>81793727
There is no realistic way for living player to solve that much problems without only one competent player in fucking comic.
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>>81793668
John could have just retconned everything to be okay instead of retconning her back to life so she could make everything okay. The only reason she was brought back was because Terezi felt bad for killing her and because (Vriska) was too much of a pussy to find the treasure.
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I stopped reading HS somewhere around Act 5.

I'm now marathoning the whole thing (just finished Act 3) and holy shit, I forgot how hype stuff like [S] WV: Ascend and [S] Enter were. So full of promise. Those were the days.
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>>81793600
source and perhaps more images and fic recs?
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>>81792899
I fuckin guess
>>
You know what I feel more than anything about this?
Relief.
Homestuck is over, and yeah, maybe the ending was incredibly disappointing, but guys

GUYS
It's OVER. We're FREE.

I for one have been inspired both by Hussie's absolutely insane dedication to shitting out content in the past to try and write my own cluster fuck of a story. And now that I can see where that lead Hussie and what NOT to do for the sake of my own sanity,
I think I might actually get started on it.
I can finally move on.
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>>81793819
But can't he travel through time to before the black hole existed?
He doesn't need his Sarcophagus, Dave has been shown to be able to travel through time without his turntables.
>>
Hey, the ending could have been worse. It could have been still images drawn by a tumblrite that made all the characters stocky, black, and poorly drawn.
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>>81793837
At this point she's not even misunderstood. She was a fucking unchecked asshole that got away with everything, to the point of getting to kill Lord English after bullying Jake, Tavros and (Vriska). And none of that got any kind of resolution! Vriska is a bitch who hasn't matured at all, THE END. VRISKA WINS.
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>>81793753
So... It was magical black hole that traps only lord english but not vriska?
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>>81793886
Time is stopped within a black hole, though.
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>>81793855
Let's be honest, Hussie just made (Vriska) a Hussie so that he could justify 8ringing 8ack a new Vriska.
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>>81793886
If the green sun always exists outside time, then maybe somehow destroying it means there is actually no time it ever existed? Or something. I don't know anymore.
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I just now realize the Alpha kids are fucked.
It was John that took them to the future where everyone but the kids, ARquius, Gamzee, and Caliborn are dead. And since the beta kids are trapped in the Juju there's no way back. Since the kids got the tiger, they're immortal. So now they're trapped on the empty earth forever with only half of a clown's rotting corpse to keep them company.
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>>81793891
If that was the case we would say the actual ending would be better instead. Its a paradox, dont even bother thinking too much.
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>>81793849
That's the same chick whining about homophones here right
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>>81793918
Why were you under the impression risky didn't die?
>>
>>81793886

The Giant house thing Vriska used we the retcon enabler. I think the point of it was that it makes it impossible for him to use time shenanigans to get out of. The green sun is also what was powering him. He's now no longer super hulk space pimp mode.
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>>81791938
You can't just say that
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>>81793918
>>81793753
When was Lord English trapped into a black hole in the first place?
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>>81793961
Yeah
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>>81793849
It's profoundly embarrassing to see you people harassing kids over their shitty Homestuck ships
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>>81793909
I remember Hussie once saying that writing was really easy but art was hard, and if a writer-artist team existed the writer's actual job would to be getting the artist doughnuts. Who could have guessed that a guy like that would write an ending like this?
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>>81793937
Time flow normally inside Black Hole for observer who inside it. See that chart how you can escape black hole with time travel. It is simple.
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>>81793909
Don't worry. She'll get her proper comeuppance in Act 8, the epilogue.
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>>81791965
I was thinking about this. It never came into play but storytelling wise it was set up as if it's going to matter a big lot.
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I have a few questions, I wonder what you guys think;

What are the chessmen going to evolve into? Humans? Trolls? The latter seems unlikely because Kanaya has the matriorb, is she going to put it on another planet?

Do the kids grow any older now that they are god tiers? Is age no longer a constant for them? When they teleport to Caliborn to close the loop he seems to show them as kids still, though its ambiguous. Do you think the kids are immortal and the trolls are mortal?

Did the kids know that they were heading into The End for them? Could they have known? The Betas get sucked into the juju and the Alphas are lost and alone on Colors and Mayhem in unfamilar space, with no retcon powers or time powers to help them out.

Did Karkat get any prospitian pussy?
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>>81793997
Never, but it's implied it happens in act 7
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>>81793880
>"HOMESTUCKS OVER WE'RE FREE!"
Fuck off. The epilogue still needs to happen. That ending doesn't suffice as an ending. It didn't conclude anything. The words "the end" aren't enough to make something an ending.
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>>81791938
What's the source?
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>>81794008
Honestly, if she was gonna shitpost and be that invested, it's her own damn fault
She was told many times that Davekat wasn't happening, she'd have to be deluded to think otherwise
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>>81791665
>Per odium, unum
Should be our motto
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>>81794051
It's implied that he gets sucked into Vriska's juju
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>>81794020
>and if a writer-artist team existed the writer's actual job would to be getting the artist doughnuts

he's right
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>>81794042
Carapacians are as they are, they don't evolve
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>>81793880
I'm not free until I see whatever the fuck Hiveswap's going to be but y'all are welcome to get off the ride anytime now.

The epilogue has strong chances of being really shitty, leave now before it gets any worse.
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>>81794016
t. Davekat shipper
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>>81794028
It's really not, though.

>>81794051
Haha good jape. Joke.
>>
>>81794073
Is that correct grammar?
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>>81794042
We just don't know.
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>>81794071
Yeah
>>
I think Hussie just called Act 7 the ending so people will get off his back about ending Homestuck and be free to work on the epilogue as long as he wants.
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>>81794042
>What are the chessmen going to evolve into? Humans? Trolls?
what the fuck did he mean by this
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>>81792899
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>>81794075
But both Vriska and the Juju, along with the ghost army, dream bubbles and possibly Aradia, the Horrorterrors and Sollux got sucked in the black hole though.
>>
Now that it's over, post your favorite fanfics, lewd or not.
>>
I haven't been this disappointed since Mortal Kombat 10 ended.
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>>81794086
>leave now before it gets any worse
That train left the station long ago.
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>>81794071
All those people who were saying davekat was going to happen
Where are they now?
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>>81794092
use your imagination bitch

>>81794085
So I was trolled by someone on here earlier? I refuse to believe that the kids got cucked out of creating civilization by Skaia's NPCs.
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>>81794104
> as long as he wants
He clearly doesn't want to do anything.
>>
this is the best anti-escapism experience
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>>81794104
>I think Hussie just called Act 7 the ending so people will get off his back about ending Homestuck and be free to work on the video game as long as he wants.

ftfy
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>>81794042
Know what, collide could have a callback to the matriorb being retrieved from kanaya's inventory only to get destroyed by Eridan (Condesce in this case) so it fits.
This still hurts.
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>>81794162
No, real life is still mundane awful shit.
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>>81794146
Nowhere to be found. I've told you all since day one of this Davekat shit that it wasn't gonna be canon.
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>>81794128
here's a jokefic i wrote back in 2014

http://pastebin.com/e26dwT5D
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In memory of Doc Scratch, who saw this ending coming and got out when the going was good.
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>>81794150
Well, yes. They got cucked, at least on earth.
Reminder that there might be multiple planets in the new universe. Practically a given, really. Also reminder that Kanaya still has the Matriorb.
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>>81794201
he was the smartest of us
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>>81794146
Crying themselves to sleep
Just like the rest of us, but for more pathetic reasons.
>>
Does anyone remember how The Felt were basically the original trolls in terms of generating scads of fanart and obsession over a bunch of 1-dimensional characters introduced all at once?
And weird gay Felt shipping?
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>>81794133
And that train's back in the station ready to give the illusion that you're allowed to get off the ride.
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>>81794211
Well shit, then someone has to write a fic about the god tiers (and Karkat in a spaceship) exploring their newfound realm of space.
>>
>>81792492
Early 2012, when Hussie and Vriska were on that place full of horses. I caught up in 3 weeks or so.
>>
Welp. Terezi's been looking unhappy throughout all these latest pages and doesn't show up for the happy scenes on future Earth.

I'm detecting a callback for gallowsCalibrator to appear in the epilogue, with her hanging under a tree like all of her scalemates.
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>>81794201
I miss him.
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>>81794244
Yes, and I loved it.
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>>81793880
good luck writing your cluster fuck anon. What's it about?
Will it havekids and fun?
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>>81794128
I lost the link to the one about grimbark giving Roxy the knot
I think it was shoddys?
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>>81794263
>the epilogue is just Terezi hanging herself over the course of 40 pages
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>>81794194
And it still left a bad taste in my mouth. Imagine if Korra/Asami had been heavily hinted at all through season 4 and at the end they go on a picnic together with mako

What was the point Hussman

WHY
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>>81794194
B-but Hussie said it was canon!!!!
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>>81794201
Forevially favorite
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>>81794146
In the same place as the karezi shippers that expected them to somehow get back together again at the end.

As a daverezi shipper, I ship the broken hearted davekat shippers and the karezi shippers.
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>>81794201
He was villain we deserved.
>>
>>81794310
to get shitty tumblr fans to buy his garbage.

Genius really.
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>>81794304
>it's a thinly veiled tutorial to suggest that Homestuck fans just hang themselves
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>>81794146
>tfw epilogue canonizes Davekat
This is how it gets worse.
>>
I wonder how Hussie is handling the poor reaction. I hope he takes it well.

Tbh, it's a great end for acts 1-5, just not for 6. I'd be pretty happy with it if it just showed definitively the whole LE fight.
>>
Okay, lets ask the question.

What caused Hussie to become a complete hack at the end? Was it the issues with TOG? Was it us? Was it IPGD?
>>
Anyone have the updated shipping chart?\
I wanna make one to dull the pain
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>>81794200
10/10.
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>>81794323
to be fair, Caliborn was a pretty fucking great villain too
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>Troll logos create the zodiac signs

So do the kids logos create gods?
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>>81794350
All of the above and more.
>>
So remind me, john and roxy had a talk at some point after john got his retcon powers about how they could just go beat the game and then retcon out to fight LE whenever they wanted right?
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>>81794340
That would be my driving point to kill Hussie
>>
>>81794190
not on █████
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>>81794381
It got mentioned between John and SOMEONE, I just forget who.

The question is how long they waited until they did that.
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>>81794344
>I wonder how Hussie is handling the poor reaction. I hope he takes it well.
Considering he had to put on adding saying he was going to do a real epilogue, even though 7 was supposed to be it, I assume not well.

>>81794350
I blame the people he kept around, we know from halftruth that he bounced ideas off of people, so I just assume that after the ToG fiasco he ended up surrounding himself with yes-men
>>
>yfw it really is a ruse and only ipgd is in on it
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>>81794350
Exhaustion of Homestuck.
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>>81794403
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>>81794381
Yeah I think so. But it still begs the question of WHY they would want to go and do that and also why they only went with the kids and not the whole crew.
>>
Everything about LE and those involved with him are by far the best things in the comic.
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>>81794350
It was meeting and dating Rachel. His decline began in February 2011. It was slow and gradual. Updates as we knew them began to peter off then, until we ended up with the Gigapause and beyond.
>>
What was the point of sprite^2
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>after all that bullshit to "save" the dead characters, he just ends up killing everyone off except for the humans, kanaya, and karkat
I've never hated anything more in my entire life. At least I got to see Aradia one last time, but still.
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>>81794128

That one that was all comics about human terezi and human karkat becoming friends at school.

It was cute as fuck. It's a shame that it was discontinued And that Karezi sunk
>>
found my old porn folder

welp
>>
Well, let's try to see this as a learning experience! What did we learn, /hsg/?
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GUYS

JOHNROXY IS CANON
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>>81793154
No. Just regular Killer Queen. It's just there. For some reason
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>>81794425
I'm hoping it is still. The way she basically said we can move on now before fucking off made it seem like this was all a big joke but this is probably just wishful thinking.
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>>81794344
I hope he fucking chokes on it.
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>>81794491
some dads are not your dad
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>>81794492
and they have a skeleton child
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>>81794350
It's probably just the case of developing past your work, as a person.
>>
What was the point of the ghostbusters mmo
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>>81794479
Ultimate self bullshit.

That's it.
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>>81794466
This is a fact.
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>>81794491
KILL HUSSIE
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>>81794491
I learned about Eri.
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Time to reread. The magic is gone, but purpose remains. I must understand.
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>>81794201
RIP Scratch, you were only trying to warn us.
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>>81794521
This.

He became a politically correct normie.
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>>81794491

Don't get invested in KarkatxTerezi.
That way leads disappointment.
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>>81794350
Everything can be traced back to traffic increasing during Hivebent while his fanbase was telling them they weren't enjoying it. Once his ego got boosted everything fell apart, just in slow motion.
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>>81793340
It's a pretty heroic ending to die fighting the enemy of all creation.
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>>81794549
What was the point of ultimate self bullshit
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>leaves fans gay and straight options for two groups of characters
>johnroxy or calliroxy
>davekat or davejade

>possible dirkjake
>rosekan the only ship to secure explicit canon

did jade lay waste to the notion of endgame ships by making the dave thing more ambiguous or by getting dave from karkat? rose did say karkat wouldn't like that
>>
So going in i both did and didnt get what i expected. I expected the first page to just be a short 4-5 minute flash of the sequence of events involving the juju. Calliborn gets it, traps the kids, hides it in the furthest ring, vriska takes it, kills LE with it. Then the second page would be a sort of walkaround/character chooser of where they all are today. I got similar amounts of abreviation but also not the epilogue bit.
>>
What was the point of the cherub biology backstory?
>>
I will only be satisfied by Vriska's fate in the epilogue if she ends up with all her teeth forcefully removed and choking on GCATavrosprite's barbed cat cock 24/7.

That or her just feeling sad and unfulfilled because being the hero did not fix her problems. That'd work too.
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>>81794491
Anyone who says the journey is more important than the destination is either an anime writer or someone who thinks like them.
>>
Caliborn was so immortal that the comic had to end prematurely than allow him to die

That or this is the anime he made in his free time after obliterating all of paradox space
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>>81794587
Making the retcon bullshit seem valid.

That's it.
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>>81794491
At least it didnt last as long as naruto, that would have been really stupid
>>
You know looking back the troll quadrant thing turned out to be one of the highlights of the comic
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>>81794484
Just because he didnt show a character doesn't mean they're dead.
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>>81794484
Wow, I completely didn't even think about it but yeah, half the point was to save the dream bubbles
And now they're fucking gone
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>>81794603
Wow, that's true. None of that ended up meaning a shit.
There's so much useless crap.
>>
are we gonna get an ending to Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff too
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>>81794488
I am glad I lost my folder and never looked back.
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>>81794491
Do not read a comic called Homestuck.
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>>81794128
http://archiveofourown.org/works/2776871
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There will be less than 10 more threads before homestuck is banned from being discussed on /co/ forever. a couple more now and few more after epilogue and that's it.
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>>81794623
>that or this is the anime he made in his free time after obliterating all of paradox space
im fine with this because i'm proud of caliborn's art progress considering how much he's changed
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>>81794491
If I ever become a creator I make sure to create as much of my stuff beforehand so people don't have to wait so long for it.
And also so I have more control over the direction.
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>>81794645

Homestuck got a less satisfying ending than fucking naruto

Who could have seen that coming
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>>81794491
Getting involved in fandoms or emotionally investing yourself in current-running fiction only leads to heartbreak, ennui, and eventually a spiritual feeling of catharsis once you realize that your life doesn't matter and neither does anything you've ever done
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>>81794668
>half the point was to save the dream bubbles

They were meant to show that it kept people from moving on to the afterlife. They were always meant to die.
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>>81794672
Let's make a list of all the POINTLESS BULLSHIT

I'll start:
The green sun captchalogue tablet
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>>81794491
Don't make a major part of a characters dialogue puns, they may end up popular before you force yourself to kill them off/give them no lines.

Rip in peace Nepeta.
>>
i was going to write a detailed post about everything wrong with the story, but jesus christ not even i have time for that
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PURE ART SKILL GUYS

IT WAS JUST CALIBORNS FANFICTION RIGHT?

RIGHT????????
>>
>looking through my old folders
>find my nsfw folders
>dont remember drawing half of these

Man.
I stopped drawing porn after this.
>>
Will there ever be a comic that will become the next homestuck?

I thought for awhile it was going to Ava's Demon but that kinda just fell apart after Michelle's last kickstarter.
>>
>>81794729
Narutos ending was good
>>
>>81794742
matriorb


also nepeta
>>
The ending was shit, and it's Vriska's fault. I fucking hate her.
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>>81794742
The wallet
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Anyone else have this in their other tab, waiting for something to pop up?
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>>81794603
So we could understand where calliope/born came from.
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>>81794742
The ghost army thing was pointless when all anyone had to do was let Vriska stroll in and use the juju.
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>>81794760
Post'em on /aco/.
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>>81794760
imgur album where
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>>81794742

Grist
Captchaloguing in general
>>
>>81794760
c-can you put those in an imgur album and link it?
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>>81794492
besides the animation it self being very good thats something was happy to leave with, even tho the ending was disappointing as fuck
>>
>>81794742
Davepeta
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>>81794742
The dancestors

Yes, all of them
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>>81794731
Welcome to the club.
It's why I only read stuff by dead authors anymore.
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>Post yfw MIDNIGHT CREW ADVENTURE TOMORROW.
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>>81794742
(Vriska), Meenah, the troll army
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>>81794760
>vrisfef

nice
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>>81794754
They already did it for you:
http://imgur.com/a/9ucF7
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>>81794827
Nah, im done.
>>
>>81794759
That scene alone makes me have hope for all of it to have been an elaborate ruse of Caliborn's design. Pray with me, /hsg/.
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>>81794762
Maybe Gunnerkrigg still got a chance?

But I think webcomics might be dead for this kind of stuff. Indie vidya is the way to go now.
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>>81794849
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>>81790289

I still think this the best
https://youtu.be/nRq-Q5_ruC4?t=629
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I DONT EVEN UNDERSTAND THE ENDING.

VRISKA OPENED THE BOX?

THEY MADE THE WORLD?

????

??????????????????????

WHAT HAPPENED?
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>>81794871
>>
The ending sucked but we outlived the shitty fandom and we're alive to tell the story. That counts for something.
>>
So what's going on with the game

People funded Hussie like 2 million dollars and we have heard NOTHING.
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>>81794768

I know, it's nuts! How could that have happened and Hussie manage to drop the ball so hard here
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so where do i go if i want to discuss the ending
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>tfw Dave will never play his shitty skaeboarding games with John
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>>81794849
>General structure of a story
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>>81794886
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>>81794793
LE knew where that thing was and would have murdered vriska if he wasnt distracted by their antics.
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>>81794878
draw your own conclusions :^)
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>>81794915
>>
http://desustorage.org/co/thread/81611896/#81613839

here's to you, anon , for predicting the future
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>>81794901
reddit
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>>81794887
A warning for future generations.
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>>81794912
Roxy can just conjour a console.
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>>81794936

>>81794914
(keep reading, there are some really good points)
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>>81794915
>the events weren't in chronological order so i didnt like it
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>>81794742

Rings of life and void
Ancestor trolls
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>>81794901
You either stay here, go to tumblr, or go to reddit.
The mspa forums are DAOOTS.
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>>81794742
Jake's hopesplosion thing.
I think. I can't remember anything from the latter half of act 6 except the cherub stuff.
>>
the dolorosa's long, long, legs
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>>81794797
>>81794794
>>81794807
sure

Some of these are pretty bad though!

http://imgur.com/a/VPVyh
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>>81794973
>>
I'm a hardcore slut.
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>>81794991
I want to lick her thighs
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>>81794742
Aradia
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>>81795005
>>81794975
It's not that they weren't in order. It's that the order was shit.
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>>81794603
WORLDBUILDING
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>>81794201
Even when everyone hated Scratch, I loved that suave motherfucker
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>>81795001
>http://imgur.com/a/VPVyh
These are great, don't see yourself short!
Do you have a tumblr or anything?
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>>81795056
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>>81795057
why only build half a world?
>>
>45 dollars for a hoodie
Just when I was warming to the ending and wanted something to remember the ride by welovefine kicks me in the teeth
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>>81795081
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>>81794914
Why exactly? Homestuck might not be conventional but it adheres enough to existing convention that the bad parts are when it defies those conventions
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>>81794849
>50 hours of reading
This shit is at least 75 or 100
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>yfw you realize there's not gonna be another ending
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>>81792492
Was reading Hussie's stuff when he was still Team Special Olympics. Read Jailbreak on the forums, which is what MSPA evolved from. Start to finish with PS. Start to finish with Homestuck.

You have no idea how cool I thought that was, back when Act 5 completed, that I watched an artist go from relative obscurity to superstardom.

Now...now there is only the taste of ashes.
>>
>>81794063
>>81793990
Hahaha, check out these newfags.
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>>81795096
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>>81795056
>The only time the protagonist fought the antagonist was when John, as a 16 year old, beat up the 11 year old Caliborn.
>>
>>81794973
>>81794936
>>81794915
>>81795081
>>81795056
>>81795005

tl;dr where is my conventional narrative
>>
>>81795001
Something good coming out of this.
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>>81790469
I got into it last month and only caught up two weeks ago
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>>81795118
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>>81795106
The epilogue is the ending. At least, it's gonna have to be the ending now.
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>>81795001
please draw more.
>>81795107
I'm sorry man... is there any way can make it feel better?
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>>81795122
>Where is my good narrative
ftfy
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>>81795118
>>81795139
She is fucking murdered in every timeline.
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>>81795139
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>>81789619
The fuck is that gif from what is going on in it
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>>81794472
nah it happened a lot later than that
>>
>>81795122

Some conventions exist for a reason

The ending of homsetuck is bad because it's satisfying, rushed, and failed to deliver payoff for many, many forshadowed events including the defeat of the primary antagonist and instead has a rainbow sperm flying through the air for 3 minutes.
>>
Can we all agree that the best thing to come out of Homestuck and the thing with the most impact, is Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff (even though technically their origina was not part of Homestuck)
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>>81795153
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>>81794742
The retcon timeline didn't need to exist.

Rose's quest on her land.

Jasprosesprite^2 and Davepetasprite^2 since they did jack shit.
>>
is vriska still fucking irredeemable
>>
>>81795056
>John doesnt fight LE, nor do John, Dave,Rose and Jade fight as a team
but they did, in Caliborn's clayanimation Masterpiece
>>
>>81795151
sometimes the main character dies
>>
>>81795170
Yes.
>>
>>81795153
But Meta-Vriska grew! :^)
>>
>>81791871
What about a session with
Mage of Space
Witch of Time
Knight of Doom
Sylph of Life
Rogue of Light
Page of Blood
Me and 5 others did the classpect test right after the ending, because we thought in the last few updates there would be more stuff about classpect which could help get more accurate results
boy were we wrong
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This was a damn good sandwich.
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>>81795176
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>>81795153
>A past self without lessons learned goes to win it all.
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>>81794803
Nigger those were used through the whole fucking story just because they didnt make an appearance in the finale doesn't mean they didnt have purpose.
>>
I haven't read any of Act 6. Should I watch the ending or take Cascade as the end?
>>
>>81795186

Which we never got to see and never will get to see

When the fuck does that even happen? Was it in a doomed timeline or something? If so, why is the real, alpha caliborn transformed into lord english?
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>>81795201
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>>81794936
This is my biggest qualm with the ending.
Homestuck, as a whole, was all about fate and inevitable failure and a never ending cycle of having destiny's helicopter dick slap you in the face over and over like some sort of fucked up carousel of penile assault.

But despite pushing this idea of, "Hey everything is fucked, you're fucked, any attempt to fix it will be futile", I wouldn't have minded if they did win! I mean, a total party kill would have been slightly better than this, but it would have been a kind of shitty ending as well. But there was no catch, there was no twist on how they managed to defeat the big bad. It was just Point A ---> Point B. There was also no loss whatsoever, save for the ambiguous nature of the kid's fate at the end, and if they did manage to win and make a new world, the fate of Aradia/Sollux/Terezi/Vriska/all the other characters.

Hussie is known for subverting expectations, yes, but when you subvert expectations, the unexpected result has to actually be good, and clever.
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>>81795229
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>>81795223
Take Cascade as the end.
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>>81795176
if a character's darkest hour kills off most of them then how the fuck are they supposed to overcome death. I'm not disagreeing, the retcon was stupid and erased important plot points, but damn, you could phrase it better than "Let them overcome their personal problem of being fucking dead"
>>
>>81795223
I honestly don't know and that should tell you everything you need.
>>
>>81795144
kinda burnt out on drawing homestuck stuff, especially porn.

>>81795074
yeah but i dont really draw homestuck anymore
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>>81794492
Well he couldn't do JohnRose after everyone went insane for Rosemary.


sigh.
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>>81795254
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>>81795144
No. I was expecting a shit ending, as it's been so shit for so long.
There was still a hope in my naive heart, however, and it was utterly, completely extinguished.
>>
>>81795098
Because a good story doesn't have to follow a cookie cutter line of events to be good.
>>
>>81795243
>There was also no loss whatsoever

vriska dies, john/dave/jade/rose will eventually get erased from existance and jane/dirk/jake/roxy are abandoned
>>
>>81795096
I think that was the point, actually. As the Thief of Light, Vriska was supposed to steal the spotlight. I'm not saying that that is a particularly satisfying approach, but it's the rationale that Hussie was using. He went into Homestuck looking to create something new and to break conventional rules of storytelling. In some ways he succeeded at making something entertaining, but here he did not.
>>
>>81795223

Just take cascade as the end.
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>>81795273
>yeah but i dont really draw homestuck anymore
I don't care, nice art is nice art

>>81795275
Muh nervous investors
>>
>>81795298
>vriska dies
No loss there
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>>81794912
The kids never do fucking ANYTHING together for the ENTIRE narrative. Their session was so fucked up they never got to group up, even though despite that they had been so cooperative and supportive with each other. It's a goddamn insult.
>>81795176
Where are you getting these?
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>>81795259
naah that's not me, i'm just posting these images i saw and i thought they had a point

>>81795278
>>
What song can accurately describe your feeling about the end of Homestuck?
>>
>>81795170
>the stairs meme will go further than literally anything else Hussie ever makes

Maybe that's what all this is. As the years ticked by, he saw homestuck become less and less relevant, its importance falling off quickly whenever he stopped updating.

But the stairs lived on. The stairs refused to die.

No matter how convuluted the plot he created was.

No matter how many characters were available for shipping.

No matter how many times he killed someone off.

Homestuck was never as important as those fucking stairs, and it will never be as important. So why even try?
>>
>>81795301
>As the Thief of Light, Vriska was supposed to steal the spotlight.
son of a bitch
>>
>>81793563
>homestuck fans being stupid

why aren't i surprised
>>
>>81795291
Sure. But this is not a good story.
>>
I still don't understand why Caliborn's great anime masterpiece would have the kids winning in the end this is the dumbest theory made just to cover a dumb ending
>>
>>81795317
He posted the imgur link.
>>
>>81795259
Then maybe the darkest hour could have been handled slightly differently? You're missing the point here.
>>
>>81794742
Acts 1-3 in general
>>
Holy shit, this "writing" argument is literally a plebian complaining about Homestuck not having a conventional "satisfying" narrative.
>>
>>81794849
Most of that can be summed up in hussie didnt follow the conventional pattern for a climax and honestly thats a valid complaint but expecting that from hussie is kinda dumb
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>>81795323
>>
I AM VIBRATING WITH FURY BECAUSE OF HOW BADLY THIS ENDED.

I GET THAT YOU JUST WANTED TO BE DONE WITH IT HUSSIE

BUT

FUCK


FUUUUUCK

YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>
>>81795332
someone should have told him
we should have warned him
we should have never gone up them
>>
>>81795193
10/10 lineup, you will walk this shit.
>>
>>81789402
The animation was really fucking good, which surprised me.

The ending itself left a lot to be desired, and it was weird how it paralleled Caliborn's rise to power with John preparing to open the door. That just makes me think of when the trolls were stopped by Bec Noire, and I'm not sure that was intentional because this is the ending for sure (even though the can town we saw was apparently a vision of the future or something, so I guess LE could still technically do something)

I dunno.

I'm mostly popping in here to dump my thoughts on the ending. I haven't posted in a Homestuck thread in years.
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>>81795367
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>>81795329
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjD9LVb8wxo
ive lost my shit
>>
>>81794912
Correct me if I'm wrong, but like
Did John and Dave EVER meet face to face before halfway through Act 6?
>>
>>81794762
[Spoiler] Prequel [/spoiler]
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>>81795367
>mater
how did this faggot fuck up
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>>81795254
>act 5
>good

yeah ok. everyone knows this was the best act
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>>81795243
>Hussie is known for subverting expectations, yes, but when you subvert expectations, the unexpected result has to actually be good, and clever.
I know people keep referring to The Phantom Pain but it's such a good comparison here. Kojima sold everyone this idea of a tragic storyline and emotional downfall, but because he was known for subverting expectations he decided to not do anything. All the moments with heavy implications turned out to be nothing (including characters acting crazy just to facilitate the shot for the trailer but the actions making no sense in context) and the story was completely pointless in the end. Before, twists existed to serve something else, now it just existed as a testament to the director's "cleverness."

Fanbase in general need to stop feeding the egos of creators so they stop believing in their own hype.
>>
>>81795329
Blackhole Sun
>>
>>81795329

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVrYbKBrI7o
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>>81795364
>Holy shit, this "writing" argument is literally a plebian complaining about Homestuck not having a conventional "satisfying" narrative.
Homestuck had the textbook definition of a "satisfying" ending.
Final villain is defeated with barely a hitch, and we get some warm fuzzy panning shots of the heros living their new lives together.
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>>81795228
No, it happened literally after the EoA7, after they opened the door.
That's what I understand, at least.
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>>81795364
Pretty much.
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Who's your homestuck waifu?

and why is it Kanaya?
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>>81795308
Nervous investors?
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I'll be waiting.
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>>81795364
Really, I have read a lot of experimental literature. The trick in making a satisfactory story is not in making it abide to specific conventions.
There just needs to be emotional pay-off.
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>>81795329
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5OeoVkTDLM&nohtml5=False
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>>81795426
>Final villain is defeated with barely a hitch

see >>81795298

not to mention that they will outlive Karkat, Terezi and Kanaya who all die at varying ages
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>>81795411
i thought act 4 was best act
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>>81795329
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asPTAL5xk18
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>>81795449
Aradia then Terezi, maybe Roxy
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>>81795392

>>81795364
Sorta, but he's right with Vriska, the plan, and the post-retcon structure.
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>>81795329
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czTksCF6X8Y&nohtml5=False
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>>81795449
jane forever and always
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>>81795402

Would need to update more than once every 3 months
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>>81795453
Book commentary. Hussie majorly dissed JohnRose as some hokey "first boy, first girl" dynamic.
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>>81795364
Fuck off Hussie
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>>81795487
Fuck you, I would post this.
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>>81795487
same
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>>81795329
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=446nB5a0Txc
Conflicting emotions.
All of them.
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>>81795413
WE DIDN'T HYPE UP SHIT

THE FANBASE HAS BEEN DEAD BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR YEARS

WE JUST WANTED SOMETHING CONCLUSIVE

A FINAL SHOWDOWN WITH SOME EXPLOITS AGAINST THE BIG BAD, AND WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT

INSTEAD WE GOT A FLASHY CUTSCENE OF THEM OPENING A DOOR AND A JUJU THAT LOOKS LIKE SAID DOOR, AND A FROG KNOCKING UP A PLANET
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>>81795399
DS did I believe, but I dont think they ever met until Eau d'egbert & the battleship/meteor meeting we weren't allowed the see
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>>81795449
Still the best.
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>>81795193
> Mage of Space
Should get all the base staff done
> Witch of Time
Very useful player
> Knight of Doom
Can save from death
> Sylph of Life
Healer of healing should be OP
> Rogue of Light
Another very good player
> Page of Blood
Very weak probably

Looks like 9/10 session
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>>81795487
same
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>>81795329
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpBfNFGA8qY
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I fucking loved how /hst/ exploded after the ending.
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>>81795365
Yeah, i mean i didnt really like the ending but i'd have to be a fool to think he as just gonna do build up-conflict-pay off. I have expected page one to be THE and page two to be END
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>>81794742
Every sprite that wasn't ARquius. Special mention goes to GCATavros.
Also, Pages in general.
What was the point of hyping them up so goddamn hard for what little they did?

>>81795180
Of course she is. She never apologized or made amends for anything and bullied Jake and Tavros until the very end. She is exactly Act 5 Vriska except she's learned not to murder people who piss her off and that's it.

>>81795118
It hurts just to read this.
But I know in my heard that, deep down, it is all true.
Vriska was a parody sue and she became a regular sue.
Like how Homestuck parodied shipping and became about shipping.
It hurts so bad. I am so tired, HSG.
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>>81795329
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJhgwxSTHDs&nohtml5=False
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>>81795518
Not hyping up the ending, hyping up the creators themselves. Artists already have massive egos usually, enabling them is a sure road to ruin.
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>>81795449
Roxy
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>>81795364
Even so, everything from Collide onwards failed to live up to the standards the entire rest of it set up. How different is Collide from Cascade? How removed Act 7 from WV: Rise Up?

It didn't abide by standard narrative laws, but it didn't abide by its own either.
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>>81795449
I want to make out with Rose for hours and worship Terezi's ass.
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>>81795308
aight

its pawtism

at tumblr

i used to shitpost here a lot...
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>>81795329
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs9u0vgBzV0
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>>81795449
She can lick my cherry red blood anytime.
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>>81795578
>worship terezi's ass
bless
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>>81795569
Jake defeated Lord English in the form of Caliborn, saving him from killing the Alphas.
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>>81795508
Ah.

I dunno man he spent most of act one convincing us that these two are close and then the rest of the story avoiding having them sit down and hash anything that happened out because instead Rose had to turn into Kanaya's literal prize for being so virtuous.

But hey his big reversal of expectations with Homestuck super worked out, look how happy everyone is.
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so i'm confused. when the juju appears, do they know that door is leading to lord english?
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Last night thread was crazy.
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I can't tell if I'm in denial or not.
So unsatisfying.

Also, are we supposed to know what Aradia is up to? I completely forgot about her during the hiatus.
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>>81795560
can someone explain to me what /hst/ is i'm several years out of the loop and it's been bugging me since yesterday
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>>81795584
>pawtism
I knew that style looked familiar
I'm already following you Famalam

>>81795598
>liking someone who is maybe Daoots
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>>81795449
Either Lalonde. I guess.
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>>81795179
>jasprose was pretty helpful for moving the healers around during the fights

I was hoping she'd get all the living characters in paradox space like vriska and aradia to the lilypad before everything got sucked in to a black hole
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>>81795431
Why would the door teleport them to Caliborn's session? Where did the trolls & dad go?
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>>81795626
Homestuck thread.

>>81795621
Nobody knows. I guess she's just dead.
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Remember when Hussie said writing was easy?

Top fucking kek
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>>81795626
homestuck thread
it's code for homestuck general
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>>81795229
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
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>>81795615
The door traps LE, making him Homestuck.

The door flips when it is with the kids, so its leading OUT of Homestuck.
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>>81795527
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>>81795626
we're not allowed to say HSG anymore
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>>81795626
Hsgs are banned on site, The mods in their infinite grace are allowing us homestuck threads for the ending
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>>81795621
No. She literally fucks off with her fairy wings, winks around in the background, and then shows up in the last two flashes.

I think she might have been seen with the juju chest before.
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>>81795626
Homestuck Thread. It's what we started calling these after the general was banned and were only allowed the occasional thread
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>>81795683
THE LAST FUCKING YEAR HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO THEM ALL TALKING AT THE END OF THE STORY
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>>81795560
Seriously, this sanctimonious bullshit about "the journey is more important!!!!" is ridiculous and trite.

Also annoying is the fact that people say "ohhhhh it's supposed to be implied! Not everything has to be shoved in your face!"
Yeah, you're right. But this is Homestuck. It's a fucking webcomic about gags and comedy and action. It's not a masterpiece of fucking literature. You can only pull that artsy shit if you haven't been spending the entire comic making funny puppet dick jokes and animating giant laser battles between super powered teenagers. Fuck you you fucking hack hussie
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>>81795654
sugoi!!!
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>wwalks into thread
R-Remember that, guys?
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>>81795689
oh. well that makes me appreciate the ending just a tiny bit more. also, caliborn's masterpiece doesn't happen due to the retcon, right?
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>>81795740
i miss it so fucking much
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>Dirk in charge of making a new universe

THEY ARE

F
U
C
K
E
D
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>wwalks out of thread
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>>81795657
I wanted to see what the eventual fate of the sprites were. Given they were game constructs it seems like they wouldn't be able to transfer to the new session, so just what happened to them?
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You know hsg, after mulling it over and thinking about what problems I had with the ending and plot holes and all that, I think I'm finally ready to accept the ending and Homestuck as a whole for what it is. So, goodbye hsg I guess. It's been a wild ride with you all.
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>>81795732
>Not everything had to be shoved in your face
I think that would have been okay if everything wasn't completely bullshit asspull Vriska-brand after the retcon.
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>>81795740
>inb4 deletion
>>81795734
I still use some of your DA2 stuff for shitposting in the vg general.
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Fuck this shit I have taxes to do. Why would he do this to us
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>>81795740
Yep.
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>>81795677 >>81795681 >>81795694 >>81795705 >>81795716
i see, thanks
still can't believe these threads were banned
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>>81794373
caliborn was an antihero, not a villain.
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>>81795470
isn't kanaya dead, though
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>>81795760
Caliborn was never in the Game Over timeline. He was unaffected by the retcon.

There are probably plotholes in this interpretation but that's the official explanation.
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>>81795728
AND IT SUCKED

IT WAS BAD
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>>81795689
But they both activate at the same time.
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>>81795760
Oh no, it happens alright.

Caliborn says "they've been training". Its the kids after they are done being gods in their universe: notice the trolls are gone. They're dead. They've all lived full lives, and are now going on to close the time loop so that their universe may survive.

The Beta kids are banished into ....?? and the Alpha Kids are fucking abandoned in paradox space on Caliborn's land.

It's a pretty sad ending in a way. Nice and sad at the same time. I feel bad for the Alpha kids.
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>>81795760
Caliborn's masterpiece needs to happen so there's a big implication that either they fight Cali in the future

Just don't think about it too hard because Hussie sure as fuck didn't
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think we can hit 1000 before the thread dies?
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GUYS THIS WASN'T THE FUCKING ENDING.

THE KIDS HAD A BIG HOUSE WITH A DOOR.
VRISKA HAD A BIG HOUSE WITH A DOOR

THE DOOR THE KIDS OPEN LEADS TO VRISKA'S DOOR WHICH LEADS THE ENTIRE MAIN CAST RIGHT INTO LORD ENGLISH.

HUSSIE'S FUCKING WITH US THE EPILOGUE IS GONNA BE FUCKING AMAZING. HE JUST WANTED THE OFFICIAL ENDING TO BE ON 4/13
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wwhats up babybutt
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>>81795802
sshhhhhhhhhhhhh. Don't let the gods know.
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Fuck its finally over.
>meenah had basically no point in the ending
Shoot me with a gun
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>>81795527
>yfw you'll never have a Roxy gf
whats even the point of living anymore guys?
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>>81795614
they were close as friends
I like their friendship, it would be weird to be a romance
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>>81795787
>I still use some of your DA2 stuff for shitposting in the vg general.
is that thread still alive
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>>81795809
how the fuck was caliborn an antihero
I mean yes, he saved Homestuck but that's meta
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>>81795802
It's mainly because during the year long hiatus these threads were just awful festering shitpost factories
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If someone attempted to write a better ending in Hussie's style, would you read it?
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>>81795667
Maybe the next session is Caliborn's session.
What we for sure know is that John is, somewhen in the future, going to use his swoosh powers to take the B1 and B2 kids to fight Caliborn, who will then seal the B1 kids in the juju.
They will then get out of the juju, released by Vriska in EoA7, and join the rest of the kids in the new Universe they created and live in can town.
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>>81795732
>"ohhhhh it's supposed to be implied! Not everything has to be shoved in your face!"
This is what kills me.
I fucking love Cascade for the way it brought all of the various plot threads together in a way that made sense and actually gave us some closure on things, that we shouldn't have expected something similar for the FUCKING ENDING is infuriating.

>>81795802
Mods made a rule, if it aint updating or active you can't talk about it.
Sure Steven Universe can have all the various threads it wants during their hiatus because they aren't generals.
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>>81794350
Can't say the blame goes all to TOG but I'd give a good portion of it to them.

>mfw King's Quest remake is Telltale copycat bullshit
>mfw Anjew Hussle went from an amazing 3D project to this

Even Yanderedev looks like a genius compared to these clownish assholes, and he's a goddamn pedophile.
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>>81795839
that's not going to happen
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>>81795816
Yeah. Mainly Erisol being there when Caliborn gave Jake the Lollipop
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Honestly my biggest issue is people are posting things like this trying to make homestuck out to be some philosophical masterpiece. https://twitter.com/WarrenIsDead/status/720115402701946880

It's fucking not. Homestuck is just bad. Accept it, the writing is bad. Not only is Hussie a bad author but it's fanbase can't accept it's bad. There's no deeper meaning to the ending, there's no smart, deep, philosophical message, it's just poorly done. It's a poorly executed, poorly written comic with an ending that makes no sense.
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>>81795874
yeah i imagine so, the megapause basically gave hsg cancer so i can't imagine what the assorted pauses after did.
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NEW
>>81795911
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>>81795876
yes
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>>81795771
do you think we can make this the very last message of the homestuck threads? if not, what do you think it'll be? Because in all likeliness there won't be many more homestuck threads till the epilogue and who knows how long that'll fucking take.
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>>81795839
i truly hope you don't believe that
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>>81795902
BUT IT IS. IF IT WASN'T THEN THEY WOULD HAVE SHOWED CAN TOWN -AFTER- THEY OPENED THE DOOR, THERE WOULD BE NO POINT TO SHOW IT BEFORE IF IT WAS ACTUALLY ENDING.
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>>81791533
>Kanaya almost teamkills Karkat
>Aranea going hog-wild on Rose
>Terezi missing half her attacks
>dat fucking condence

This is healing the pain.
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>>81795832
then what was the point of them showing can town if they just end up getting fucked in the ass
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>>81795839
Nah he was just implying that the kids went through the door and got royally fucked by Cali. The future bullshit was just imagined. There is no hope for us.
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>>81795929
everyone has their own opinion. The opinion of the people that liked it isnt yours.

And your opinion is shit, faggot
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>>81795689
>Door traps LE
But it specifically only works on four people, it couldn't trap him.
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>>81795876
Literally all act 7 needed to be was a recap from cali reading her booking showing the final fight, the kids resolving to fuck with Caliborn, and then some retcon shenanigans to explain how the 8 of them escape. we then get our cutaway showing what everyones doing/the ships.

Fuck your welcome Hussie
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>>81795851
who gives a shit about fishlips minaj
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>>81795740
It was the last meme I was around for.
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>>81795740
I still remember

I still miss you guys ;-;
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fuck you guys, you just made me wax nostalgic for eri, smoking wweed
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>>81795740
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>>81795946
Hussie just wanted to be done with it and move on to hiveswap. Homestuck is done and this is the ending we get.
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>>81795851
This is literally the only good part of the ending.
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>>81795621
Eternally banging half-dead sollux in the furthest ring
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>>81795890
To be fair, pedophiles know how to market their product to the right people.
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>>81795976
>caliborn
>clown
>sweaty horse man
>lil hal

fuck
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>>81795978
It's pretty awful too, because the ending as it is is fake-happy. How can I be happy for the eight kids when I know that sometime in the not-too-distant future, half of them are going to be trapped in limbo for eternity and the other half are going to be brutalized and abandoned on a deserted planet?
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>>81795056
Fuck. They didn't pose as a team. Shit did not got real
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>>81795773
He came up with them after he planned out the finale, so hopefully he'll continue with wherever the fuck he was going with them in the epilogue
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>>81794491
Do not read a webcomic called Homestuck.
Do not trust Andrew Hussie to supply a satisfying ending.
And finally, do not get too invested in anything.
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Anyone else thinks Homestuck literally contradicted its own messages?
>John can't understand that Dave and Davesprite are two different people
Ultimate self bullshit says every version of you is interchangeable. Also characters finding substitutes for their guardians and pretending everything is fine.
>Hussie self-insert tells Caliborn why magically fixing everything makes for a terrible story
Retcon happens. Everything magically goes right.
>All this talk about SBURB challenging you to make you grow as a person
Only a handful of characters learned anything at all.
>SBURB is ultimately an unfair, indiscriminately murderous, or even outright evil game in which players are pawns to be used and discarded by forces beyond their comprehension
They made a universe and won and entered the universe. There will be another SBURB.

Feel free to add or whatever.
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>>81796055
They also apparently know how to make good connections and get a good team going on a low budget.

He's still pretty autistic to keep answering his emails at this point, though. Especially when his viewership survey said most of the people supporting Yandere Sim are underage.
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>>81796107
>Justice exists
Vriska gets to be a mary sue, get off scott free, be the ultimate hero, and kill the ultimate bad guy.
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>>81796107
I thought John's problem with davesprite was that he didn't see him as just dave, he saw him as a different shittier dave
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>>81794899
Especially when he got Problem Sleuth right. He tied up all the loose ends before. He could have at least tied up the main conflict. I know he knows better.
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>>81796061
But Lord English is physically only one person.
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>>81796107
I like to think the moral of this story is. No matter how much you work, no matter how much you learn, no matter how much stock you put in bettering yourself and forging bonds and being productive and proactive, there is not a single reason in a cold, cruel universe that you should get a better life because of that. It will give you a better chance sure, but ultimately the machinations of fate are blind to feelings, blind to reason, and blind to human concepts. There is only victory or death, and the universe doesn't make a distinction when it decides who gets what. So do what you want while you're here, because what does it fucking matter anyway.
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>>81796065
its supposed to be bittersweet. like, even if you understand it, its supposed to be bittersweet. but no one even understands it, presumably because everyone is retarded? i mean, andrews gonna eventually do a q&a and explain everything, or its gonna come out in the epilogue. the ending is not SUPPOSED to be inconclusive, all the pieces are there but apparently everyones too dumb to put them together

the sad thing is that even when he explains it everyones gonna fuckin whinge about how its not really a happy ending. why the fuck does everything need to have a happy ending
>>
who else /stilljohndave/?
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>>81796264
How about you explain exactly what happened? If it's really clear, it shouldn't be hard, and nobody will call you out or correct a mistake or logical inconsistency.
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>>81796264

Maybe if he had actually drawn it out instead of the stupid puppet horse shit
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>>81795972
homestuck is shit you clown
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>>81795223
Watch til caliborn masterpiece, and accept the heroes losing and LEs inevitable success as just a nature of the beast. Then enjoy illuminati confirmed prologue, homestuck last funny joke, and quit there.
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>>81796264
I don't see this as "bittersweet". Bittersweet is like, "we endured a lot and lost some things that are important to us but in the end we still have something beautiful". This is just "Look how happy everyone is! They're completely unaware that of what hell awaits them!"

I agree that not every ending needs to be a happy one. But I would have preferred an ending that is ACTUALLY SAD to one that pretends to be happy.
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>>81796264
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>>81795223
Read Act 6 up until Game Over, then immediately stop.
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>>81795529
I have one
Heir of Time
Mage of Space
Seer of Doom
Bard of Void
Knight of Life
Prince of Light
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>>81796478
>funny
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>>81796495
so it's chocolate coated shit. they've just started biting down on it, and they're still on the chocolate.
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>>81795368
That's the true moral. The ride never ends.
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>>81796528
>bard and prince
you have passively destroyed secrets and actively destroyed knowledge. your reality is going to be fucky as hell and will make it difficult to communicate with anyone to such an extent it may break your session even considering the hefty usefulness of the mage of space and seer of doom.
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Guys, anyone knows when the Homestuck Epilogue OVA is out?
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>feel like I need to reread maybe Im missing some important thing I forgot because of the fucking hiatuses
>so fucking furious that I cant get myself to do it
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>>81795216

Grist and Captchaloguing became completely unimportant past act 4
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>>81796651
months from now. hussie is taking a break from this shit to watch the shitshow of reactions
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>>81796651
End of Homestuck will come out about a year from now and will feature all the death threats Hussie has received.
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>>81796528
> Heir of Time
Not best but at least reliable time player
> Mage of Space
I don't expect major fuck ups here
> Seer of Doom
He knows all dangerous factors
> Bard of Void
The truest wild card
> Knight of Life
Not bad, probably one of the best
> Prince of Light
Can screw everyone royally
Seems like slow session with slight possibility of everything went into shit. 6/10
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>>81796710
HOly shit, this comparison is too fitting.
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>>81793411
>>81793493
>>81793641
>>81793827

I agree that he possibly hadn't thought of the retcon when he started working on this, but if the retcon didn't happen then neither would Game Over, and we'd be left with an EVEN MORE predictable and straightforward ending where nothing goes wrong at all.

Also, Vriska approaching with the army from a distance does make sense because LE vaporized the front lines and threw everyone away at the end of Collide. He was standing by himself again when Hussie pointed at him.

It makes no sense that he'd let Vriska just casually approach and open the box though - the entire point of the army was to distract him after all. But maybe Vriska realized that wouldn't be needed anymore with the Green Sun gone.
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>>81793856

If you stopped in Act 5 you still have the hypest moments of the comic to look forward to though. It only starts going downhill in Act 6, and even then there's still some really high highs.
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>>81796791
u just salty cause your OTP didnt make it to the end

And jelly of mah roxy
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>>81796711
In the same vein of these, what would one expect of a mage of mind, or a prince of mind?
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>>81791533

>That fucking Mituna Sollux Dialogue

Jesus the whole thing was great, but that was the best part.
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>>81793493
>The animation looks pre-retcon.
Yeah. I think there's a lot of evidence to suggest that Hussie was intentionally prolonging Homestuck, adding more and more complex elements just to keep it going. Like the chest that Vriska is holding that contains the juju to defeat Caliborn, it looks exactly like the chests that the cherubs kept in their room. I'm guessing Caliborn's own chest would originally have had the weapon that would be used to defeat him, before Hussie decided to put a Trickster juju in there instead.
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fuck the gays

johnxrose
jadexdave
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>>81796752
I guess I'm not against the concept of retconning, but I'm against how it got retconned.
If there had been subtle changes that had turned out into a slightly more favorable timeline, that's great.
But bringing fucking Vriska back so that she takes over everything and destroys things that used to make retroactive sense, leaving blanks that Hussie filled with "V-VRISKA DID THAT TOO!"? No, fuck that.
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>>81796529
Funny is edginess now?
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>>81797004
JOHNXROXY YOU BULGESUCKER!
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>>81793493
>The animation looks pre-retcon.
not to mention that Davejade hasn't been sunk
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